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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 1 - Spec QT available w/mini game

« on: November 09, 2012, 03:50:50 pm »

How is Galz flipping out this hard over two votes on him? I really think he's annoyed scum here. Annoyed because he didn't get a chance to start off on a good foot (he was legitimately gone on election day) and now there's a case on him that he can't answer without OMGUSing and swearing. He thinks the case isn't legit and is flipping out like someone losing a Dominion game due to bad luck and trying to reassure everyone he's still a better Dominion player than the opponent, just one with bad luck. He wants to say, "hey, I play well when I'm scum, not badly like this." Pure WIFOM. We know for a fact that you often fake militant emotions in these games.

(That being said, I think the "scum would have killed Galz" argument is overblown. Obviously at least one scumteam not containing Galz opted not to kill Galz. Maybe both did on the theory that the other would've. If I were scum I would have killed Frisk.) Anyway, I don't intend to change my vote. Galz is just totally busted here.

Name me one game I've had "fake militant emotions" in.

No, I'll wait.

Still waiting.

Oh, that's right, you CAN'T. Why? Because:

Actually, unvote. Pissy Galzria is usually town; friendly Galzria is usually scum.

I've actually never played with with scumGalz. Before this game, I mean.

Every single time I've had "fake militant emotions" I've been... Wait for it... Town! And you would know this because you've only ever seen me as town. Which makes those "fake militant emotions" not all that fake, now doesn't it?

I'm absolutely 100% fine with my lynch as long as promise to lynch eHunt immediately after. He's scum locked into a case he can't back himself out of so his only option is to push ahead full steam.

I agree to this deal.

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Puzzles and Challenges / Re: Puzzle: Potions run out?

« on: November 09, 2012, 03:50:06 pm »

ambassador punishment if you're too lazy to buy a curse.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 1 - Spec QT available w/mini game

« on: November 09, 2012, 03:39:34 pm »

How is Galz flipping out this hard over two votes on him? I really think he's annoyed scum here. Annoyed because he didn't get a chance to start off on a good foot (he was legitimately gone on election day) and now there's a case on him that he can't answer without OMGUSing and swearing. He thinks the case isn't legit and is flipping out like someone losing a Dominion game due to bad luck and trying to reassure everyone he's still a better Dominion player than the opponent, just one with bad luck. He wants to say, "hey, I play well when I'm scum, not badly like this." Pure WIFOM. We know for a fact that you often fake militant emotions in these games.

(That being said, I think the "scum would have killed Galz" argument is overblown. Obviously at least one scumteam not containing Galz opted not to kill Galz. Maybe both did on the theory that the other would've. If I were scum I would have killed Frisk.) Anyway, I don't intend to change my vote. Galz is just totally busted here.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 1 - Spec QT available w/mini game

« on: November 09, 2012, 02:54:16 pm »

Obvscum and livid he's been caught day one.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 1 - Spec QT available w/mini game

« on: November 09, 2012, 11:34:37 am »

Actually, unvote. Pissy Galzria is usually town; friendly Galzria is usually scum.

I've actually never played with with scumGalz. Before this game, I mean.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 1 - Spec QT available w/mini game

« on: November 09, 2012, 10:23:28 am »

For being RVS Frisk, you sure are pushing this hard. I'm starting to think you are scum deflecting like mad after all with a crap case.

Tell me, since you seem to know so much about whom killed whom, when you killed Robz last night, was it with the plan of coming after me today? "Let's NK one, then claim we would've NK'd the other!" Seriously, back the eff off and stop tunneling so hard.

Translation: "I am annoyed that Frisk, on the basis of nothing, has successfully guessed that I am mafia."

vote: Galzria

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Puzzles and Challenges / Re: Puzzle

« on: November 09, 2012, 01:28:00 am »

what?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 1 - Spec QT available w/mini game

« on: November 09, 2012, 12:38:19 am »

I thought you were accusing me of deflecting suspicion, which I found ridiculous since my choices were A) ignore everything Frisk has said, or B) defend myself as best I'm able.

If you're saying that Frisk's vote on me is deflection from himself? I disagree. I mean, it IS, but it's not like he hasn't been voting me since RVS. He's not deflecting to a NEW target, he's just coming back to things he's already said.

I had accused Frisk of deflecting suspicion toward you purposefully at the beginning of the day.  He came in very recently asking what I was talking about.  I was going to go quote, but then you responded instead.

I think he was trying to get folks' attention on others instead of himself.  I could definitely see him killing Robz, after all.

I think anyone that has payed any attention to mafia at all knows that 1. Robz is a great player and solid asset to town and 2. gets higher than his fair share of power roles and uses them effectively. To say that anyone is more or less likely to have killed Robz at night 0... makes me want to vote for you

vote: ashersky

sidenote: there was something gross in my frosted flakes while I was typing this, so if I'm dead tomorrow that's why (they were Aldi's brand of frosted flakes).

Separately, I completely disagree with Yuma here. It's absolutely the case that some people are more likely to kill Robz than others. And to boot if you are the type to be less likely to kill him there is WIFOM to be gained from killing him. I doubt the speculation is going to lead somewhere, but it's completely worth speculating on.

FWIW I don't think Frisk would have killed Robz, which is the opposite of what ashersky says.

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Forum Game Awards / Re: F.DS Annual Mafia Awards 2012

« on: November 08, 2012, 11:33:07 pm »

Most Inexplicable Hammer Behavior

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Forum Games / Re: Our forum games community

« on: November 08, 2012, 05:45:55 pm »

fos: eevee for buddying up to... everyone

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Help! / Re: I win the village-wharf fight, lose the game?

« on: November 08, 2012, 09:57:09 am »

I think it's more a case of your openings and luck being roughly equivalent and him having first turn advantage (which is huge when there's tons of money and buys, as there are in this game). The other thing is that with wharf, sometimes one wharf megaturn leaves you having wharf megaturns for the rest of the game, but for whatever reason this snowball effect never worked out in your favor even though you won the wharf war.

I do think using trader to trash copper turn 14 is incorrect - you have a ton of extra buys for free silvers, and at this point your deck has quite a lot of wharves and could probably use the extra silvers to prevent a disaster hand like the one you draw the next turn. Of course the flip side is the silvers would make you less likely to link worker's villages and wharves, so maybe I am wrong. Certainly your next hand is unlucky either way.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 1 - Spec QT available w/mini game

« on: November 08, 2012, 09:46:36 am »

The only reason I'm not voting for you, ehunt, is that I had this same interaction with you on another day 1 (which is ongoing and we're both alive, so I shouldn't say more.)

Suffice it to say, it's very possible that attempting to rule the town with an iron fist is something you do as town. But it does drive me up the wall.

It's absolutely something he does as town, which means he would do it as mafia to not break character.

i was accused of doing this in MXI (ongoing, can't be discussed) but never before, as far as I know. If I were mafia I would absolutely be talking theory right now and talking it hard and encouraging everyone to talk it, which would also be perceived as "not breaking character" and, more importantly, would be extremely helpful to my wincon.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 1 - Spec QT available w/mini game

« on: November 08, 2012, 09:44:15 am »

@jo's earlier post

this is frustrating. being bossy makes me a less likeable person, i recognize, but i also think it's the better strategy in this particular case (as i thought in the case that you are referencing). on the other hand i think the reaction i am getting out of you and frisk is better explained by "jo and frisk don't like being told what to do" than it is explained by "jo and frisk are scum" (although i don't like how frisk is baiting ME to talk about theory). at the same time i really want to silence this discussion as i think this discussion is dead terrible for town. i hoped that policy voting would do that and it has had the opposite effect.  but i recognize that "i am thinking something, i won't tell you what i'm thinking, therefore OMG STOP DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING" is an unreasonable thing to expect someone to obey. It seems like maybe Axxle gets what I was getting at before; I want to argue if you think hard about the theory you will agree with me that we don't want to talk about it, I don't think my logic is deluded.

analogy: in MVIII we narrowed down bunches of power roles for the mafia on day one because everyone said "what roles do i think will be in the game?" it seemed harmless at the time but it wasn't. this analogy isn't perfect, but it's what i'm getting at.

clarification: "chicken" in the last post is a mafia joke - it's from another game where it's slang for "yes." i am not calling Frisk a coward ("chicken" is children's slang in america for coward)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 1 - Spec QT available w/mini game

« on: November 08, 2012, 09:37:43 am »

Sorry ehunt, your reading is off today!

Do you disagree with my assessment that the SK wants as many town PRs on as possible?

chicken.

unvote because i am being a little bit ridiculous

but

i strongly want us to not talk about this anymore.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 1 - Spec QT available w/mini game

« on: November 08, 2012, 09:09:24 am »

I absolutely want the sk flipping those switches.  Vote eHunt for not getting that.

It would be a huge mistake to argue theory with you and I think you are intentionally goading me into doing so. vote: Captain Frisk

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 1 - Spec QT available w/mini game

« on: November 08, 2012, 01:09:07 am »

Actually Frisk's theory talk did accomplish something. Imagine our SK had no idea what he was doing. Frisk just gave him a tip that will help him meet his wincon and also help town a lot.

After all, we NEED the SK to flip some switches, otherwise the mafia run the PR show.

vote: jotheonah

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 1 - Spec QT available w/mini game

« on: November 07, 2012, 10:54:52 pm »

Nithing, but it isn't anti town

I disagree although I don't want to be the yipping bulldog gatekeeper of theory and I think it's likely that Frisk's attitude here (whether he is town or scum) is just "ehunt can't tell me what to do." Still I don't understand why you'd do something I explicitly warned against when you admit there is no reason for doing it.

So, repeat with clarification, strong request,
if you are going to talk about theory, ask yourself "is this useful, or is it just something to talk about?" If the answer is that it's not useful, don't post it.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 1 - Spec QT available w/mini game

« on: November 07, 2012, 10:29:26 pm »

I don't think shunt has stumbled upon anything, but he has just made a big public showing and is amassing town cred.

Look a zm3. I was considered strongly town because I fos'd dsell, and then backed out.

I was town, but I made the mental note to try it if I drew scum in the future.

As for theory stuff, Mafia has upper hand now, so sk wants town prs to work.  To avoid wifom, sk should be switching the levers randomly.  If he does so, then it doesn't matter what mafia does to levers.

Town cop obviously can't claim, becaus he doesn't know that doctoring works.  Town doc can't claim either.

Town has I control of switches, and those who do won't admit it.  Nothing fancy here.

I still am shocked that galz is alive.

 vote: Captain Frisk as promised. what good did this theory discussion do?

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General Discussion / Re: Who would you want to meet?

« on: November 07, 2012, 07:47:08 pm »

Alexander Grothendieck
Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 1 - Spec QT available w/mini game

« on: November 07, 2012, 07:39:58 pm »

i want all yje guys voting for ehunt explaining why he is thr best lynch for today.

there's only one person on the ehuntwagon (frisk), and dont get me wrong, i hate ehuntwagons more than anyone, but i think frisk just says he has a gut read on me that's bad, which i find uncompelling but not scummy.

it's a little bit suspicious that you and theMunch have leapt to my defense so readily. the only thing i've done today is previewed about making a theory post, then realized as i was making it that it was a bad idea, and stopped making it. i stand by my decision not to post it (and i will strongly consider a policy vote on people talking theory without a good reason) but obviously it would have been better if i hadnt made a preview post about it.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 1 - Spec QT available w/mini game

« on: November 07, 2012, 03:55:46 pm »

should we gang up on themunch or ashersky for lurking?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 1 - Spec QT available w/mini game

« on: November 07, 2012, 12:26:25 pm »

as i was fleshing things out i realized that theory-posting profoundly helps scum and i don't want to explain this argument as i think explaining it helps scum too. i recognize that this is a frustrating position to take, sorry. i feel very strongly about it.

I don't understand a word. And how can you have a theory already? And why are we screwed?
And is this normal that it is so quiet here? Are all celebrating election parties? yuma hasn't even posted yet...

sorry, more mafia slang. by "theory" i mean "abstract discussion about the game set-up, like, what should the so-and-so special role do and what choices do we expect so-and-so to make." I think that discussion is very dangerous and should not be engaged in.

not "theory" in the sense of "i have a theory about who the mafia is." if i have a theory about who the mafia is, i will definitely let you know!!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 1 - Spec QT available w/mini game

« on: November 07, 2012, 11:16:32 am »

The (only) important theory question to ask, I think, is "Is there game-breaking claim strategy that needs to be implemented now?"  And I think the answer to that is unequivocally "no," given that we have no guarantee any given night action will actually work. That rules out FTC, unless we want to place our fate in the hands of WIFOM between scum and SK.

yeah i like theory talk in general cause it gives me something to do on day one but not in this game...

presumably we should analyze the night kills, but i don't really have anything to say

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 1 - Spec QT available w/mini game

« on: November 07, 2012, 10:00:59 am »

as i was fleshing things out i realized that theory-posting profoundly helps scum and i don't want to explain this argument as i think explaining it helps scum too. i recognize that this is a frustrating position to take, sorry. i feel very strongly about it.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 1 - Spec QT available w/mini game

« on: November 07, 2012, 09:42:12 am »

theory talk soon.

basically town is screwed is the tl;dr.