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Dominion: Guilds Previews / Re: Butcher - frist spoiler?
« on: April 09, 2013, 10:29:24 am »
"If your tactics based on maps from Guilds, then try to make sure that you always have some coins in stock."

So is Maps a card that needs a lot of coin tokens?

I think 'maps' is supposed to be 'cards'.

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Dominion: Guilds Previews / Butcher - frist spoiler?
« on: April 09, 2013, 09:40:52 am »
http://www.999games.nl/spel/Dominion%3A+De+Gilden


"The Butcher is the personification of this expansion. You will receive not only coins, but you can also destroy a card and pay a number of coins a bgetere card back packs."

Pardon the Google translation. Also, credit goes to hansbro at BGG for the find:
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/928287/ponderings-about-the-guilds/page/4

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: Help!
« on: March 21, 2013, 10:40:15 am »
I think I saw at one point they were having huge delays in turnaround time from their merchant services provider. Maybe I imagined that though.

Anyway, post at GS, but I think it will probably resolve itself in a few hours.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: Quick question.
« on: March 13, 2013, 09:29:12 pm »
Would you go so far as to say that if you don't get some Shelters that you'll fade away?
I'm so sorry your post was the second last on the page, so you didn't get the satisfaction of seeing it appreciated. I've +1'ed it out of sympathy for you poor devil.
It wasn't my joke anyway, second man in and all...

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: Quick question.
« on: March 13, 2013, 07:42:16 am »
The whole rating thing has been brought up countless times on getsatisfaction. Goko has addressed it many times and their answer is that they want a good reconnect feature in place before having players ratings get hurt for disconnects. Sadly, it's messed up, but Goko is aware of this issue. What I hope they fix is the Colonies never showing up in pro games except once in a blue moon.
You mean the Shelters never showing up, because, damn, I've had a lot of Colony pro games.

Yes, I meant Shelters never showing up. Yah, I get plenty of Colony games. I would say the right amount, but I really want to see those Shelters. I love them!

They're just a shot away.  Or perhaps a kiss away.
Would you go so far as to say that if you don't get some Shelters that you'll fade away?

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I don't think Donald or RGG are money-hungry beasts or anything like that. I DO think they made a bad buiseness decision. Very bad. Even if it reports them money (I have no idea on how much money they are making with the Goko license, if any).
I do not have a contract of any kind with Goko. It is popular to believe I must, but I don't.
Eventually, you will be really sick of saying that. You must have a lot of patience, because I would be plenty sick of saying it by now.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: When do cards do things
« on: March 08, 2013, 09:27:36 am »
This reminds me of a game manual from Fantasy Flight Games.

"You have 10 phases.
Before, during, or after a phase you can play some cards."

Just check the rules for The Lord of the Rings card game if you don't believe me. :)
That sounds like a classic FFG manual. I bought every expansion of Descent V1 up to the Quest Compendium before I realized they weren't even spell checking their product anymore.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: After the release of Guilds...
« on: March 08, 2013, 09:22:01 am »
Forum Games will still exist; therefore the community will still exist.

Except it wont.

Been through this in other boards, if Dominion goes away then attracting new visitors to this board will become harder and harder, and people who gradually drift away will not be replaced.


Not necessarily. I was a early user in the first incarnation of the RPGMaker Pavilion, and they are still alive and kicking a good 12 or so years later, despite no one going there for RPGMaker related topics anymore. It's just a group of semi-like minded people who continue to post in the free forum because they've been doing that for the last decade.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: d/l of isotropic to run locally?
« on: March 07, 2013, 02:28:41 pm »
I'd like to know if it is possible to download the "isotropic" code, so I can run it locally.  Basically, if I'm playing with friends or my kids, we prefer tapping buttons to shuffling decks.

This is a straightforward question - I don't want to get "legality" answers, I just want the download (and would be willing to pay a nominal price).

Bwa ha! That's hilarious.

I'd like to know if it's possible to kill my neighbor.

This is a straightforward question - I don't want to get "legality" answers, I just want him dead (and would be willing to pay a nominal price).

Not sure I understand your point here.

I'm pretty sure it's mockery.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: d/l of isotropic to run locally?
« on: March 07, 2013, 01:46:10 pm »

To avoid violating the ethical agreement, there's no need to provide Dominion card content, just the bare bones and an interface to add cards.  The user can invent a game, copy a game with some effort or whatever.

plank

While you may not realize it, you are over simplifying the technical portion of the Dominion elements, and what you are actually talking about is reprogramming the game. If you have the skill set to do so, you wouldn't need the code.
I disagree here. I figure the game engine would be one the of less time-consuming elements to create. If all the client-side code (HTML, Javascript, CSS) is present, plus all the non-game-engine parts of the server, then that's a huge part of the game. (Which is why it wouldn't be released.)

Maybe I said what I meant incorrectly. While you may still have a sizable portion of the work done sans the Dominion element, an excessively large portion still exists. I think Goko and Iso are both proof that getting the card interactions to play nicely with the ruleset is a complicated thing. Much less complicated when you understand the ruleset in the first place (Iso) but there are still little 'gotchas' that pop up.

Also, he asked for an interface to add cards. That's programming man. You can't add cards without programming, or they would just be rehashes of things you could already do.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: d/l of isotropic to run locally?
« on: March 07, 2013, 11:27:05 am »

To avoid violating the ethical agreement, there's no need to provide Dominion card content, just the bare bones and an interface to add cards.  The user can invent a game, copy a game with some effort or whatever.

plank

While you may not realize it, you are over simplifying the technical portion of the Dominion elements, and what you are actually talking about is reprogramming the game. If you have the skill set to do so, you wouldn't need the code.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: Goko UI makes me want to...
« on: March 06, 2013, 05:14:00 pm »
Yeah, I knew what you meant.
Still I think Goko should just believe their users if they tell them that their game is bugged.

I can't find where on GetSatisfaction they say Shelters are working as intended. I have noticed that bug fixes have pretty much stopped since we lost Trisha (and Tanya?).

I think this is the topic where they basically say they have it working correctly, look for 'Kevin(Employee)'s post:
https://getsatisfaction.com/goko/topics/can_duplicate_colony_platinum_option

Also here; https://getsatisfaction.com/goko/topics/single_player_games_never_use_shelters
where despite us telling him his previous info was incorrect, he continues to cite it.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: Why aren't *you* playing on Goko?
« on: March 06, 2013, 05:09:01 pm »

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Rules Grammar Change

My brain put the sentences in the correct order about half the time anyway. Some of that was pretty difficult to read though.

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This got off-topic long ago. Can we get it moved to RSP please?

Considering the original topic was pretty much mockery of a certain type of thought process, I'm not really sure we're off topic by too far. But RSP might be the more appropriate place for it anyway.

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Extreme wealth can only survive with a lot more extreme poverty. And I'm not up for that.

So, the US (a nation which traditionally celebrates wealth) poverty line is $11,490 (1 person family). Approximately 15% of our populace lives below that.

According to the global rich list, this puts our poorest in charge of more wealth than 87% of the world: http://www.globalrichlist.com/
Of course, the rich west completely does not interfere with the rest of the world...

We absolutely interfere:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid
Top5@2011:
Code: [Select]
Afghanistan 12,924.40 2,659.00 10,265.40 434.32
Israel 3,026.40 31.30 2,995.10 404.97
Iraq 2,147.60 1,183.90 963.70 70.65
Pakistan 1,700.10 1,026.90 673.20 9.07
Egypt 1,471.20 172.50 1,298.70 17.92
But that's to offtopic, ->RSP if that should get a serious discussion...

Well, we do make a habit of helping rebuild places we help mess up. I'm not going to defend our military policies, that's a different beast then our economic policies. Obviously Israel is a close ally in the region, so that makes sense. The Egypt thing I'm not going to touch. That's a big ol' mess.

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Extreme wealth can only survive with a lot more extreme poverty. And I'm not up for that.

So, the US (a nation which traditionally celebrates wealth) poverty line is $11,490 (1 person family). Approximately 15% of our populace lives below that.

According to the global rich list, this puts our poorest in charge of more wealth than 87% of the world: http://www.globalrichlist.com/
Of course, the rich west completely does not interfere with the rest of the world...

We absolutely interfere:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid

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So you think everybusiness is a large business? Small buisenesses exist, you know? In which people make a living but don't get rich... you can work for those as well. You don't need a huge amount of capital to start one of those, especially in software development, but many other areas as well (you think every bakery owner is rich?).

Obviously not, I acknowledged that in my last post. Please read all of it. However, large businesses are the reason that many of our modern conveniences are cheap enough for us to be able to afford them. If a large company were not in charge of manufacturing PCs, do you think you would own one? They'd be little more than a toy without a properly sized companies in charge of them. Unless the market dictated that they were popular enough as a toy that everyone would still want one; then, those companies would suddenly become large companies. They would have to, which means they would be in charge of distributing more wealth. And they people at the top, who started those companies, would be rewarded for their initial investment and foresight.

Extreme wealth can only survive with a lot more extreme poverty. And I'm not up for that.

So, the US (a nation which traditionally celebrates wealth) poverty line is $11,490 (1 person family). Approximately 15% of our populace lives below that.

According to the global rich list, this puts our poorest in charge of more wealth than 87% of the world: http://www.globalrichlist.com/

I don't know where Argentina's poverty line is, or how they fare on this list, but I'd be willing to bet that most nations that do not celebrate success do not have a standard of living for their poor that matches our poor's. Our success brings our bottom end up, it does not smother it.

Try to find out how many people die in the US due to hunger. Here's a page dedicated to telling you how hungry we are:
http://www.worldhunger.org/articles/Learn/us_hunger_facts.htm

Note nothing about deaths. You don't hear about it here. We don't starve to death. Here's the best answer I could find:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_die_from_starvation_each_year_in_America

~120 people in ~313,000,000. A statistic so low they barely bother keeping it. Clearly our success and wealth cascades down and brings up everyone's standard of living. For a reference point, I googled "starvation in argentina", and the results were quite a bit different.

But hey, I don't need to defend success. It pretty much does that for itself.

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B: if no one is ever rich, who will pay you to do your job?

Every one of your bosses was rich? My experience was definitely opposite. Now the estate is paying me, so I guess is rich, but is not a person.
Classic example of not understanding money.

My boss's wealth has very little to do with my getting paid. But someone in the company (currently my boss's boss) is fairly wealthy. That allowed him to invest in the company initially that now provides a living to 200+ people.

But many of the jobs I've held I've been so far removed from the money that I probably wouldn't even describe the regional officers for the company as rich, but someone at the top was definitely wealthy in every one of those situations.

That doesn't mean everyone who owns a business is wealthy, but they are usually in charge of more wealth than their subordinates. It's one of the benefits you reap for putting your money and reputation on the line in the first place.

If you are being paid by the government, I would guess that someone at the top is what you would consider rich, whether you are aware of that or not.

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You find it justifiable to deny another man his right to a profit from his own creation?

People with thoughts such as "right to a profit" will probably never fully agree with me. I think getting paid for your job is good. I think becoming rich is noone's right. In between, well, there are a number of middle grounds. Donald already said in the interview that he does not think he needs more money at all, so I don't feel bad for him. RGG (i.e., Jay and his wife who's name I don't know) I don't know, but I suspect has a similar success. Goko, I have no information, but I don't feel they earned my money.

In any case, I don't believe in intelectual property at all. I don't collect any money for people reading my papers (assuming someone is, which is probably not true) nor courses using exercises or classes I made after I moved to teach a different subject. I've already got paid for that, I don't think I have the right to indefinitely get money for the same work. Intelectual property, on the other hand, is virtually infinite reward for a finite amount of work.

A: we will never agree, you are absolutely correct.
B: if no one is ever rich, who will pay you to do your job?

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Okay, you go ahead and make your own implementation, offer it for free, and pay close attention to how simple the judge finds it when he hits you with a cease and desist order.

They probably don't have any license rights in Argentina, and I'm surely not going to do that. I'm not discussing law but justice (or at least, my view on justice) which are quite different things, sadly.

Playing online games do not violate any rights, AFAIK

Oh, the internet.

You find it justifiable to deny another man his right to a profit from his own creation?

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There you go making my point for me. Building an online implementation of Dominion uses an IP, infringing on the IP holder's rights. This is really quite simple.

There is nothing simple about intellectual property, you are just being simplistic when discussing it. To some extent, using the cards to play could be thought about using the IP of the game. The legal permissions you get by buying the cards are anything but "simple" if you want to go into the details.

Okay, you go ahead and make your own implementation, offer it for free, and pay close attention to how simple the judge finds it when he hits you with a cease and desist order. Using the cards for their intended purpose of course uses the IP,  but it uses the IP within the rights that you have been granted by your purchase. The second you infringe on the IP holder's right to do their business with their IP, that's when it becomes really simple. Just like making the neighbor kids eat your Dominion card and jelly sandwich. It is very simple. I'm sorry you have a hard time grasping the simplicity of it.

Also: Ignorantia juris non excusat

What's that have to do with anything?

Playing online games do not violate any rights, AFAIK


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Everything that you quote here does not violate any right associated with the purchased item, but other rights. Playing online games do not violate any rights, AFAIK, so its not at all analogous to any of those situations.


There you go making my point for me. Building an online implementation of Dominion uses an IP, infringing on the IP holder's rights. This is really quite simple. Also: Ignorantia juris non excusat

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(i mean serously now, kuildeous just used both atari and vhs in his example)

Hey, it's been confirmed that I'm not the oldest member here.

But, still, get off my lawn.

(I do still have my VHS of Monty Python's Flying Circus because I can't bear to throw all that away)
I have my Atari connected to my flatscreen TV.  I never realized how big those pixels were...

Just hooked up my NES a couple weeks ago. Turns out the Light Gun won't work on newer TV's.  :(

They don't work on many newer TVs due to latency issues, but you can still get high performance new TVs with low latency (they are usually aimed at gaming). The problem is many TVs build in some latency to work with their sound syncing systems now (the ones that don't will usually have syncopation issues between the audio and visual engines that come and go, or get worse).

I think the really low latency ones still work with the light gun. The timing is pretty precise though.

EDIT: Can't you just point it at a bare light bulb? IIRC that works. I mean, it's not fun, but you can play forever.

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You were not given the license to do so by purchasing the cards.

I also did not get the license to play on a table made of wood specifically, and I do it all the time. Should I not be able to do whatever I want with the items I buy?

Coding an online platform that uses the IP of the cards is not the same thing as playing with the cards. Specifically, it violates IP laws.

EDIT:
Also, your argument is really flawed.
I paid for this butter knife, should I not be allowed to gouge people's eyes out with it?
I paid my employee's wages, should I not be allowed to sell them to pirates?
Rights have limitations. You can make a Dominion card and jelly sandwich, but you can't hold the neighbor kids hostage and force them to eat it.

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