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Goko Dominion Online / Re: I'm switching to Goko, because Dominion > Isotropic!

« on: March 08, 2013, 04:11:17 pm »

If you can't spend any time on Goko, then that's a perfect reason not to switch, but that would also mean you can't spend time on Iso either, and my arguments are not directed against you in the first place.

This is false. Read my post again (though I understand that you may not have gotten to it yet, but I just want to point out that I've already established why Goko's time cost is different from Iso's time cost, the least of which is the fact that Goko is slower.)

Okay, fair enough (and I had yet to read your other post until now). I haven't tried matchmaking on Goko; I've only played there with bots or IRL friends. You make a good point, although the gameplay is fast enough for me personally. It's not as fast as Iso, but I don't think we should be comparing Goko and Iso (again, just my opinion).

Let's see where this apple analogy goes. Let me know if you (plural) would add or change anything:

You're used to getting these big, juicy apples for free, but all of a sudden they are no longer available at your favorite Grand Market. Everyone agrees that sucks. Now, another Market (which some say is Ruined!) is selling slightly smaller apples (to reflect the time cost difference btw/ Iso and Goko) for 500 applcoins per 1/3lb, a (really stupid) currency invented by the Market and translates to about $1.99/lb. Most agree that this is a fair price for apples, even though people used to get them for free. Oh yeah, and you can get an individual slice of apple for free, which satisfies some but not most.

If you say you love apples, but can't afford them, I can't and won't hold that against you and say you don't like apples. If you say you love apples, but you already have a lifetime supply of them at home so never go to the Market (IRL analogy), I can't and won't hold that against you and say you don't like apples. If you say you love apples, and can afford them, but never buy and eat them, then and only then will I accuse you of not liking apples.

Edit: added Gokoins to the analogy

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: I'm switching to Goko, because Dominion > Isotropic!

« on: March 08, 2013, 03:38:06 pm »

There are 3 new replies since I typed this out, so I'm just going to post this and worry about the other posts later.

OP is missing the point.

I do not understand why anyone would quit playing Dominion just because of Goko.

Oh, I don't know, because I can't afford it, both in terms of time and money?

Look, one of my pet peeves is when someone declares "please don't take this personally, but I'm going to insult you publicly." You're just covering your ass by trying to be nice.

You'll just have to take my word for it I meant no offense. I'm sorry my wording didn't convey that better.
As to your argument, time and money spent on Goko can be the same as the time and money you spent on Iso. I haven't paid for anything yet on Goko; you get the Base set for free. If you can't spend any time on Goko, then that's a perfect reason not to switch, but that would also mean you can't spend time on Iso either, and my arguments are not directed against you in the first place.

How is not understanding you an insult? You can play on Goko without spending any money, and it doesn't take more time than playing on iso. So I don't understand you either, sorry if that insults you.

The OP seems to suggest that all True Dominion Fans should want to make the switch to Goko, because True Dominion Fans love Dominion enough to play online no matter what (this is the insulting part). Those who don't switch are merely stubborn Isotropic fanboys or something (also insulting). As dondon clearly points out, this thing costs Actual Monies, and so any person could reasonably decide not to switch because they don't want to spend the cash if the product isn't up to their standards (whatever those standards may be).

I do agree with both of you that having to pay for the expansions is a perfectly valid reason to not switch to Goko, and I mistakenly failed to mention that in my first post. It makes you no less of a "true Dominion fan" if you don't switch. That's not what I'm saying at all, and I'm sorry it came across that way. Playing IRL is just as valid. If you stop playing altogether (permanently), online and IRL, then yes, I would question your love for the game.

The point of this thread was to share my perceptions on this situation and get feedback from other points of view to help clarify things, and that's what's been happening. I'm totally open to changing my opinions based on our discussion. Again, I would like to apologize to all those insulted my my words.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: I'm switching to Goko, because Dominion > Isotropic!

« on: March 08, 2013, 02:31:20 pm »

Another argument I can make is that we've all been blessed, and spoiled, by Isotropic Dominion. The rights holders to the game could have prevented dougz from making his own implementation in the first place. Iso was great while it lasted, but it was a bonus, not a given. I say we're entitled to be able to play online Dominion, and that we're not necessarily entitled to have a free, Iso-esque implementation of it. I think we have to let go of that high sense of entitlement.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: I'm switching to Goko, because Dominion > Isotropic!

« on: March 08, 2013, 01:25:00 pm »

My argument is that a strike or boycott (whatever you want to call it) isn't worth giving up online Dominion for, and that Goko is become acceptable enough to make the switch. And it seems like Goko will continue to improve, not get worse. Thanks for both of your opinions, which did clarify things for me. I just still respectfully disagree.

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Goko Dominion Online / I'm switching to Goko, because Dominion > Isotropic!

« on: March 08, 2013, 12:39:37 pm »

Note: I am just freely expressing my personal opinions here. If you identify with the group I'm ranting on, please don't take it personally. It could be I'm just reading you wrong. I'd love to hear your points of view for us to discuss as a community.

I'm switching to Goko because I love playing Dominion. Of course I am annoyed by some aspects of Goko, such as the chat box and the avatars. Of course I think Isotropic Dominion is better. But the game of Dominion---the love of the game---is what will make me happily switch to Goko. I like Goko because there you can play Dominion, the game I get a lot of enjoyment out of. I do not understand why anyone would quit playing Dominion just because of Goko. Unless you're playing Dominion IRL, you're giving up playing the game I thought you enjoyed. I don't understand how people seem to love the website Isotropic more than the game Dominion. It should be about the game, not the website it's on.

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General Discussion / Re: What's your username mean

« on: March 08, 2013, 09:55:29 am »

I'm not 37 years old or anything like that... it was my soccer jersey number. All the other numbers <40 were taken except 37, so I took it, and then I realized how awesome the number was, and it became my favorite.

Yeah, 3*37=111, that's kinda sweet. Did you play in a high-level team? Because lower-league football teams do not tend to have such large teams.

37 is also prime! And the numbers 3 and 7 are cool on their own, too.
I was on a travel team during my middle/high school years, the town I played for had 3 different teams, and for some reason they all shared one set of jersey numbers. I guess that's either just how the jerseys were ordered, or in case a player had to change teams.

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General Discussion / Re: Drinking

« on: March 07, 2013, 11:55:27 pm »

Guys. Guys. I came across a brewery that has most of its beer names start with the word "Dominon"... Dominion beer, people!!!

http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/402

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General Discussion / Re: What's your username mean

« on: March 07, 2013, 10:32:18 pm »

I'm not 37 years old or anything like that... it was my soccer jersey number. All the other numbers <40 were taken except 37, so I took it, and then I realized how awesome the number was, and it became my favorite.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: Will You Switch to Goko?

« on: March 07, 2013, 09:47:39 pm »

Yes, I will switch, because I like playing Dominion.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: $4 Junkers

« on: March 07, 2013, 11:43:26 am »

Hag or YW depends on the board, but I would stay with one of them and then pick up Marauder after.

Can you be more specific and say what cards would make it an easier decision to go for either YW or SH?

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: $4 Junkers

« on: March 07, 2013, 11:31:11 am »

Deck are going to be pretty bad if both ruins and curses are in play. Two piles are possibly going to run out quickly. This suggests that -1 point from each curse is going to be a deciding factor.

Spoils should help you spike Duchies more often, but is that enough to offset -1vp per Curse?

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Dominion General Discussion / $4 Junkers

« on: March 07, 2013, 10:04:22 am »

This is inspired by the recent comments in the Qvist $4 rankings thread. If you had Sea Hag and either Young Witch or Marauder on the board, what would make you (if ever) buy YW over Hag, or Marauder over Hag? Or, especially in the case of Marauder which deals out Ruins instead of Curses, is there a case to buy both? What are the best buying strategies, or does that depend too much on the board? I feel like I would buy Sea Hag over Young Witch except if there's Tunnel on the board, and I don't think I would ever buy Marauder over the other two (I haven't played DA yet though).

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Dominion Isotropic / Re: Attention-whoring thread.... I did it!!

« on: March 06, 2013, 12:48:29 pm »

After reaching 41 in mid December and then spiralling downwards, I am finally back at 40. Feels good mang

'Grats, but I would change your signature so as not to jinx it!

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Poor House/Throne Room wants to open Chapel/Chapel

« on: March 06, 2013, 09:29:53 am »

Throne/P-House/Chapel's on the board tonight
Everybody just have a good game
And we gonna make you trash your hand
We just wanna see you!
Trash that!

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General Discussion / Re: Favorite Pixar Movies?

« on: March 05, 2013, 06:25:47 pm »

Toy Story 3, hands down. Next might be WALL-E.

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Game Reports / Re: Grand Market + Quarry with terrible luck

« on: March 05, 2013, 02:45:49 pm »

Why not Trader a Worker's Village turn 10 instead of a Copper?

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Cards with no optimal opening

« on: March 05, 2013, 09:08:36 am »

Woo, after months of lurking I finally have something to contribute and create an account for:

Throne/Chapel opening on a Poor House board. Pretty sure it's better than opening PH/chapel because you're guaranteed to have enough cash for a PH on the first shuffle, whereas you could fail to hit 4  if PH/chapel collide and 2+ estates are in the other hand.

I wonder how well that would work as an overall strategy, to open Throne/Chapel or Remake/Poorhouse and then rush Thrones and Poor Houses, switching to green when you have enough of each and have trashed down your other cards. Anyone with DA experience want to chime in with whether this would work or be a huge trap?

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Cards with no optimal opening

« on: March 04, 2013, 12:59:44 am »

Throne Room/Masquerade on a board where an engine is best but there are no cards that give +2 actions?

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General Discussion / Re: Favorite Disney Animated Movie

« on: March 03, 2013, 11:18:52 pm »

No mention of Rescuers Down Under yet?

I mentioned Rescuers

Not the same!!! haha. I grew up with and love Down Under, so to me it's way better.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013

« on: March 03, 2013, 09:13:56 pm »

I liked this turn.  The Curse pile was empty, and my hand had Familiar and two Curses.  While Familiar couldn't dish out a Curse itself, it draw an Ambassador, which worked quite nicely.

---------- SirPeebles: turn 34 ----------
SirPeebles - plays Familiar
SirPeebles - draws Ambassador
SirPeebles - plays Ambassador
SirPeebles - reveals Curse
SirPeebles - returns Curse to the Supply
SirPeebles - returns Curse to the Supply
Defender Bot - gains Curse
SirPeebles - plays 1 Copper, 1 Silver
SirPeebles - buys Silver
SirPeebles - gains Silver
SirPeebles - draws Silver, Province, Copper, Curse, Gold

Nice. Sounds like a riddle:

The Curse pile is empty. The only action card in your hand is Familiar. You play it, and your opponent winds up gaining a Curse. How can this be?

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General Discussion / Re: Favorite Disney Animated Movie

« on: March 03, 2013, 08:42:05 pm »

Here's a great list to refer to to refresh your memory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disney_animated_films

No mention of Rescuers Down Under yet? That along with Robin Hood and Wreck-It Ralph are my three favorites in no particular order.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Wishing Well Quiz

« on: March 02, 2013, 11:49:48 pm »

Wish for Moneylender so you can pick up a GM for virtual money and start the transition into a Scrying Pool engine.

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Goko Dominion Online / Maiden Osama?!?

« on: March 02, 2013, 03:57:09 pm »

In Adventure Mode Base Set: Act 2, Game 9, you play against Maiden Osanna, but when the game ends and her name reappears, it's smaller and blurrier and looks like "Osama." Coincidence?

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: Adventure Mode Stars

« on: March 02, 2013, 03:03:45 pm »

lol ok thanks

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Goko Dominion Online / Adventure Mode Stars

« on: March 02, 2013, 02:38:09 pm »

Any rhyme or reason to the 1-3 stars they give out per game? I got all 8 provinces one game and won by about 50 points and only got 2 stars. Maybe it was because I used zaps? Not that it matters, but anyone figure out the criteria for 1, 2, and 3 stars?