Man I would not have bought this game if I had known it would end up adding a zombie mechanic halfway through.
Yup! Also Embargo Tokens. I just don't like the components. The actual mechanics are really fun. We don't even use the playmats irl. I don't want to have to dig through my boxes/storage solution for a piece of cardboard every time one specific card comes out on the table. I mean, Donald X made the right call from a design perspective on the playmats for user friendliness reasons- no doubt about it. They just aren't for me. And I wish the Adventures tokens had a more card-centric way of doing things. But that's just because I'm a card junky. Every non-card thing included gets in the way of my irrational need to own many, many different pretty cards.I am sympathetic to this viewpoint. I like Adventures a lot, but do think it's a bummer that you have to get out a thing of chits to play with it. I do not mind the coins and VP, though I wouldn't have made Seaside without having more uses for the tokens in it (the prototype had not had tokens - Embargo itself went on the pile, treasures went on the mat for Pirate Ship).
The reason I'm ok with the 3 main metal tokens is because they have an additive quality to them that makes them more convenient than cards. For instance, if you're gonna design a mechanic around VP's that don't clog your deck, you have three options as far as I can tell: have players write down the running tally on a piece of paper (Let's call this the Milton Bradley method- which is the worst possible method), have a ton of extra cards that say "+1VP" on them that people set aside when gained, or have them be tokens. With cards, I have to pick up the stack and flip through to count how many I have. With tokens I can just glance down at them. So those make sense. Adventures Tokens though, don't save me time, just physical table space. Taking an Adventures token probably takes just as long as taking a State. So yeah, States are cool. End of rant
I made it a point to not use tokens in Nocturne, since the last two sets had them. It's a thing though that they open up design space for simple cards; if you want to make more simple cards, you really want them.
I have two sets of 6 token storage bins: one set for all the metal tokens (1VP,2VP,5VP,Debt,Coin,Embargo), one set for the Adventures cardboard tokens (divided by color). The nice thing about the metal tokens is that they are generally useful among multiple sets, and multiple cards -- Embargo being the exception. The Adventures tokens are only useful with Adventures, and even then usually only a couple of tokens per player. Empires is the last expansion, and it introduced Debt; I can see future expansions having more debt cards. It's harder to see a reuse of the Adventures tokens. Unfortunately, the token bins are the hardest thing to integrate into my Dominion storage solution.
I'm sure the nice metal tokens are expensive, and that is a factor in play when deciding to make an expansion with them. I wouldn't mind seeing an expansion with more cards which use the metal tokens. I'm just not sure if the Adventures tokens are worth it.
In moments like this, I really wish Donald would look at fan card threads once in a while.
Do not imagine that Donald X. didn't think of having a Silver interaction in Werewolf.
This is not about Werewolf. It's about the fact that fan cards have become incredibly good here on fds (not all, obviously). People exchange ideas with each other, inspire each other, learn the pitfalls others already fell into. I know for a fact that my cards, including my personal favs like Road, Werewolf, Necromancer and Sunken City, would suck a lot more if I didn't have the whole fan card sub forum to give me feedback and inspire me. By refusing to even so much as look at fan card threads, Donald X strips himself of the synergy effect we fan card designers enjoy.
I wonder if there will be a card that lets you play other action cards as Night cards for a turn. Kinda like a Villa/Mission mash up.
I think the problem with that is that a large majority of action cards would do nothing if you play them during the Night phase. +Buy, +, and +Action are worthless. +Card is mostly worthless unless you draw more Night cards with it. Gaining and attacking are mostly the same, but even most of those cards still rely on some vanilla bonus to be worth playing.
Devil's Workshop is already giving me unpleasant flashbacks to Treasure Hunter and truly not remembering how many cards I'd gained on my previous turn, but I guess 0-2 isn't much of a range and I have more incentive to keep track of the number if it's for my benefit, not my opponent's.
Bad co-op idea. Also, if you are 4 guys you wanna play a 4 player game and not Dominion.
I mean, it won't pay to have them actually printed, but it'd make a nice thought experiment.
What we played was, you sit opposite your partner. The only differences from normal Dominion are:
1) You combine VP with your partner at the end of the game to see which team wins.
2) Attack cards don't affect your partner (even if you would rather they did). It's like your partner has a Lighthouse in play on your turns.
And here's the one that makes it really neat:
3) Any time you would gain a card, your partner gains it instead, to the same place you would have gained it. (Pretend this works; it probably technically doesn't.)
Patron, a fanmade card, does something like that. We olay with it and we like it.
So I think Cellar might actually be a perfect example of why this type of card could be problematic... even though Cellar got a new wording, it behaves 100% identical in all its rules. But the old wording and new wording each act different with Bookkeeper. It feels weird that the card should behave differently if King's Court happened to use "3" instead of "three", or if Throne Room said "2 times" instead of "twice". Those are arbitrary grammar decisions that don't affect how the card works, yet they affect how Bookkeeper works.
It would combo better with some cards than others for sure. What card doesn't? In most cases I think this is worse than Throne Room.
Cellar is pretty good with it if you play 1st edition rules.
What rule change would affect Cellar?
+1 Action
Discard any number of cards, then draw that many.
However RGG does not currently use the logo (did I mention you have to pay for it?). So this is an issue mainly for the German publisher, Altenburger, and well I don't know what they're doing yet.
Don't you know what ASS is doing at all or only about the logo? I.e. will there be a German version of the new edition and the upgrade packs, and when?
Also, what will the upgrade packs cost?
Looking at the art for Tax and Salt the Earth, I feel like there's a story there, but I cant quite place it...
I'm pretty sure its the same woman, getting taxed and then salting the earth, but then why have the soldiers swapped sides?
