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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 3)
« on: February 02, 2013, 08:25:54 pm »
I'm here. Bout to do a reread on the last few pages. See if theres any merit to this Glooble thing.
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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Pandemic IV - Legendary (Round II, TheMunch's turn)
« on: February 02, 2013, 04:05:23 pm »
I'm leaning towards Option 3.
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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Pandemic IV - Legendary (Round II, TheMunch's turn)
« on: February 02, 2013, 04:04:38 pm »
Sorry Guys, A little delayed. Been SUPER swamped.
Ok So I feel like I have 3 options:
1) Treat Cairo/Madrid
2) Treat Cairo/Karachi
3) Treat Cairo, Make RS in Moskva
Ok So I feel like I have 3 options:
1) Treat Cairo/Madrid
2) Treat Cairo/Karachi
3) Treat Cairo, Make RS in Moskva
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 3)
« on: January 30, 2013, 04:31:19 pm »@Munch
If I am lynched, and flip town, will that change your read on Robz?
If we lynch Robz, and he flips town, will that change your read on me (or mcmc)?
You being town doesn't change my read on Robz. You AND mcmc flipping town would dampen my read on Robz. I am confident one of the two of Mcmc/Ash is scum though.
If he flips town... I was just thinking about that as I was writing my last post... The point of the case on Robz is that scumRobz is definitely capablle of throwing down strong town reads on his partners. If hes town I dont think that effects my read on either Ash or Mcmc. This is not the first time I've run into a situation where I am forced to choose between clever-scum-robz and bad-play-town-robz.
Your post basically says that "no matter what Robz actually is, I'm still convinced on Ash and mcmc, too." That means you think all three of us are remaining scum? And that even if you are wrong on one or two of us, you are still convinced on the other?
Welp, that's stubborn, tunnelling town!munch if I've ever seen it.
I won't vote for Munch today, but man he's killing town with that attitude.
I think one of Ash/Mcmc is scum. I have thought this before I had a scum read on Robz. I am relatively confident of this.
If one of Ash/Mcmc is scum, I can see Robz being scum and specifically one of their partners.
If Robz is scum, this gives credit to the idea that one of Ash/Mcmc is Robz partner.
If Robz isn't scum, it doesn't not devalue the reads that I already had on Ash/Mcmc.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 3)
« on: January 30, 2013, 04:25:45 pm »@Munch
If I am lynched, and flip town, will that change your read on Robz?
If we lynch Robz, and he flips town, will that change your read on me (or mcmc)?
You being town doesn't change my read on Robz. You AND mcmc flipping town would dampen my read on Robz. I am confident one of the two of Mcmc/Ash is scum though.
If he flips town... I was just thinking about that as I was writing my last post... The point of the case on Robz is that scumRobz is definitely capablle of throwing down strong town reads on his partners. If hes town I dont think that effects my read on either Ash or Mcmc. This is not the first time I've run into a situation where I am forced to choose between clever-scum-robz and bad-play-town-robz.
These are not good reasons to vote for me. If you are pretty sure one of Mcmc/ash is scum, you should probably vote for one of those people. Especially if me being scum relies on one of them being my partner, in your view.
I have voted for both of them in the past. Fortunately I dont need to be write about both of them for my case on you to hold up. I just need to be right aboutbothone of them. Are you saying we should lynch both Ash and Mcmc (potentially both town) in order to clear your name in just my eyes?I don't know why the fact that YOU try the "wrong, day after day" as scum plan makes ME scum. It's frequently joked that I am a horrible town player, constantly reading people wrong. This has happened in many games, M-XVI being the best and most recent example. I think I only cast a single vote for scum at one point (Cuzz), and never lynched a scum,and never even had a scumread on a scum, despite surviving 3 rounds of play.
It doesn't make you scum. I said this in my original post. It is enough to make me suspicious. The combination of that with other evidence is what made me vote for you. I think I've made clear the fact that there there was tipping point in my mind from "eh scummy" to "want to lynch".
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 3)
« on: January 30, 2013, 04:25:19 pm »@Munch
If I am lynched, and flip town, will that change your read on Robz?
If we lynch Robz, and he flips town, will that change your read on me (or mcmc)?
You being town doesn't change my read on Robz. You AND mcmc flipping town would dampen my read on Robz. I am confident one of the two of Mcmc/Ash is scum though.
If he flips town... I was just thinking about that as I was writing my last post... The point of the case on Robz is that scumRobz is definitely capablle of throwing down strong town reads on his partners. If hes town I dont think that effects my read on either Ash or Mcmc. This is not the first time I've run into a situation where I am forced to choose between clever-scum-robz and bad-play-town-robz.
These are not good reasons to vote for me. If you are pretty sure one of Mcmc/ash is scum, you should probably vote for one of those people. Especially if me being scum relies on one of them being my partner, in your view.
I have voted for both of them in the past. Fortunately I dont need to be write about both of them for my case on you to hold up. I just need to be right about both of them. Are you saying we should lynch both Ash and Mcmc (potentially both town) in order to clear your name in just my eyes?
I don't know why the fact that YOU try the "wrong, day after day" as scum plan makes ME scum. It's frequently joked that I am a horrible town player, constantly reading people wrong. This has happened in many games, M-XVI being the best and most recent example. I think I only cast a single vote for scum at one point (Cuzz), and never lynched a scum,and never even had a scumread on a scum, despite surviving 3 rounds of play.
It doesn't make you scum. I said this in my original post. It is enough to make me suspicious. The combination of that with other evidence is what made me vote for you. I think I've made clear the fact that there there was tipping point in my mind from "eh scummy" to "want to lynch".
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 3)
« on: January 30, 2013, 04:17:11 pm »@Munch
If I am lynched, and flip town, will that change your read on Robz?
If we lynch Robz, and he flips town, will that change your read on me (or mcmc)?
You being town doesn't change my read on Robz. You AND mcmc flipping town would dampen my read on Robz. I am confident one of the two of Mcmc/Ash is scum though.
If he flips town... I was just thinking about that as I was writing my last post... The point of the case on Robz is that scumRobz is definitely capablle of throwing down strong town reads on his partners. If hes town I dont think that effects my read on either Ash or Mcmc. This is not the first time I've run into a situation where I am forced to choose between clever-scum-robz and bad-play-town-robz.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 3)
« on: January 30, 2013, 04:14:15 pm »treating my scumbuddy as obvtown has been a recent scum tactic for me that was marvelously successful.I have some requests. First, Robz, could I have a more concrete reason why you have a strong townread on ashersky besides "he just crazy like that?"I think he's played way to dangerously to be scum. He has been so over-the-top, he has drummed up insane suspicion on himself. I have been convinced of his towniness since the Cuzz lynch. I don't think scum can afford to push that lynch through so hard. I would just expect more rational, subtle play from scum Ashersky.The only people I'm NOT really looking at at all are ashersky--he's simply town, all this craziness is him being town
These are just a couple of the cases where robz has voiced a very strong townread on ash, someone who most other people I believe find at least a little sketchy. could be doing the "treat partner as obvtown" thing again. This is especially interesting because of the whole mcmc thing. ash and mcmc can't BOTH be robz's partner if robz is scum.
This was the reason why I was able to jump between "eh scummy" and actually putting a vote on him. If I think there is a good chance at all that at least one of Ash and Mcmc is Robz partner, then it doesn't actually matter if I'm right about either specifically, the strong town reads which I believe are incredibly undeserved throw up enough flags that I am comfortable enough making him the lynch candidate for today.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 3)
« on: January 30, 2013, 03:57:38 pm »You never explained why you thought my post was interesting, or what your "own reasons" were. Makes me think you didn't have any, and were just waiting around for other players to come up with some.
I am sorry for not having a ton of time. The fact that I didn't have time to post long posts is the reason why I made short comments and said that I agreed with people when it came up so that when I did get aroudn to me making a case I at least of some record of when I agreed with things instead of retroactively claiming I agreed with it.
I have been mislynched before for "agreeing with someone too much" though so take that for what you will.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 3)
« on: January 30, 2013, 03:49:58 pm »To me, this just feels like m-xvi, where all my reads were wrong, day after day after day.
I requoted this post when I expressed my scum read on Robz following the post by Jimmm:
So regarding the first quote, this just sets off a bunch of bells and whistles for me. The "wrong, day after day after day" is a mentality that I often try to convey as scum. Clearly scum wants to push through bad lynches, and obviously this is multiball etc and Robz isn't me so it is far from enough evidence to call him for sure scum. But its enough to say "this is interesting" which I did say at the time.
Then Jimmm made his post. The thing that I liked about the post isn't specifically the fact that Robz is expressing a town read on Mcmc (which was Jimmm's point) but the fact that Robz is not afraid to plop very strong town reads on his buddies. I have scum reads on Ashersky and Mcmc, although I dont know if I think just one or both is scum, I'm just not sure. But the line of reasoning of "this is something that scum!Robz is capable of doing" is something that hits home for me. Again, not enough, cause I am not sure if Robz is so bold to "waste" or claim to use his tracker on his buddy if that is truly what is going on there but another thing that makes me suspicious.
Then Robz made this post:
Wow this thread is dead.
I have some requests. First, Robz, could I have a more concrete reason why you have a strong townread on ashersky besides "he just crazy like that?" Because I think his day two was scummy as hell. He was jumping all over the place trying to get anyone but himself lynched. I provided quotes in my post yesterday demonstrating that he literally cast suspicion on half the town.
I think he's played way to dangerously to be scum. He has been so over-the-top, he has drummed up insane suspicion on himself. I have been convinced of his towniness since the Cuzz lynch. I don't think scum can afford to push that lynch through so hard. I would just expect more rational, subtle play from scum Ashersky.
This is really the final post that turns my scum suspicion on robz into a full blown will-lynch. Robz has now expressed a strong town read on my two top scum reads. Theorel posted what I was thinking regarding why specifically singling out Ashersky for his participation on the Cuzz lynch is strange. So thats why I am willing to lynch him. The read on Ashersky is so out of place. I dont think anyone that has played as much as Robz has should ever "expect more rational subtle play from scum Ashersky". I dont expect rational subtle anything from anything!Ashersky.
Since then Robz has responded to this with:
I don't know, maybe my town read on Ash is more meta than anything else. And my reads have not been good this game. But I really, really don't think scum!Ashersky plays this way, because playing this way was likely to get him lynched.This doesn't really make much sense to me. How can Robz say that his reads have been not so good and then fervently cling to the notion that his meta reads actually work? (my answer: because his read on Ashersky isn't genuine)
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 3)
« on: January 30, 2013, 03:33:56 pm »Still would lynch Ashersky but Vote: Robz. I have very particular people I'm interested in whether or not they will jump on this case.
Ridiculous. I have repeatedly asked you why you are suspicious of me--you keep alluding to evidence without actually presenting it, and I keep asking you to be explicit, and you keep ignoring me.
Other people are raising issues about me that I think have merit. I don't know what you're doing.
I haven't had that much time to invest in this game at the moment but I thought context clues and posts I've been quoting were enough to express my desire for the vote.
I'll go back and put something short together that at least formally sums up my feelings about Robz right now. Hold please.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 3)
« on: January 29, 2013, 04:46:35 pm »
Still would lynch Ashersky but Vote: Robz. I have very particular people I'm interested in whether or not they will jump on this case.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 3)
« on: January 28, 2013, 03:21:11 pm »To me, this just feels like m-xvi, where all my reads were wrong, day after day after day.
This is an interesting post.
Although I have my own reasons for being suspicious of Robz, I also like the validation of someone else coming to the same conclusion. This doesn't preclude the possibility of Jimmm being scum of any kind manipulating Robz play in previous games to generate a scum read on him, but given that the line of reasoning that Jimmm is going down is similar enough to what my mind was already thinking that I'd be on board.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 3)
« on: January 28, 2013, 03:18:43 pm »I've been mulling over the possibility of Robz and mcmc being scumbuddies. I think if Robz is Town then mcmc is almost certainly Town as well (equivalently if mcmc is scum Robz is almost certainly scum as well). Of course mcmc could be a Ninja, but otherwise he'd have to be scum without any targeting night actions with a team-mate also without any targeting night actions, which seems very unlikely.
So until I see a reason to believe otherwise, I'm going to assume that if Robz is Town then so is mcmc. This means that any votes on mcmc should be diverted to Robz.
Anyway, the obvious response to this is, why would Robz go to such effort to try to clear mcmc? Isn't that a really risky scum play? Well yes in theory. But in practice the fact that it being risky is the obvious response makes it significantly less risky. We've seen Robz try to give his partner (joth) obvTown status before:To each of you:
Why is Munch-Joth impossible?
Because Jo isn't scum. I have like absolute faith in my read on him here. I think it's just as likely your episode with Ins yesterday was a scum gambit, Galz, than Joth being scum. Granted, I think there's a 99% chance you are town, and that whole thing was real. So too my town read on Joth. There's no way he plays like this as scum.
So Robz is clearly not above trying to clear his scumbuddy of suspicion. Based on this thought I gave Robz a re-read to look at his interactions with mcmc. He expresses a Town read on mcmc early in day 1, which lasts for most of day 1, and then gradually turns into a slight scum read. He then suddenly has a Town read again in day 2, which is consistent with him basing that off his night action, and is the thing that is most making me think the idea is unlikely. But I do think it's possible. Tracker is a pretty convenient way to clear someone without pretending to be a Cop, which wouldn't even work properly, and 1-shot is a pretty convenient way to avoid being nightkilled. And given that Robz has come under hardly any suspicion all game (which is actually a little suspicious in itself - this is Robz we're talking about), I can definitely see this as something Robz could cook up to save his buddy. Also, them being brothers makes it more likely that people will believe a Town read one has on the other. Is this particularly convincing? I don't think so. But I do think it's something to think about, and I'd like to know what other people think about it.
I really like this post.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 3)
« on: January 25, 2013, 10:34:50 pm »141
Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 3)
« on: January 25, 2013, 05:54:23 pm »Fwiw, I am fine being lynched. I think it helps town. Those pushing to kill me: munch, mcmcsalot, Glooble, need extra scrutiny tomorrow.
I defer to Robz, Yuma, and theo on when my lynch should happen, and if they need my vote. Until then, I will leave it on Glooble.
I'm fine with you being lynched as well.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 3)
« on: January 25, 2013, 05:54:05 pm »ScumDsell is not lurker scum. With that said, I am not going to fall behind in this game again.
I believe you are town. Unless I missed something the early post on Eevee would be a very risky play if you are scum. At this point I'm willing to bet the game on you being town in favor of some hunting but I dont like that its felt like you have been participating very little. I feel like you are alive because both scum teams would rather try to shoot scum than they would like to shoot someone everyone thinks is town (the alternative being you are scum so your team doesn't shoot you and the other team is shooting for scum).
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 3)
« on: January 25, 2013, 05:51:41 pm »While I being open minded... What about Dsell? If not for that one thing, he would be playing a pretty classic lurker scum game. Does the station thing still count for that much?
Why would the initial station thing no longer count for anything?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 3)
« on: January 25, 2013, 05:32:23 pm »I feel like waving some of my reads. Munch specifically. With shraeye being town, I don't think it's fair to munch that I keep to the evidence that points to him next. I've just been very wrong.
+1
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 3)
« on: January 25, 2013, 03:09:14 pm »To me, this just feels like m-xvi, where all my reads were wrong, day after day after day.
This is an interesting post.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 3)
« on: January 25, 2013, 01:21:58 pm »
Also Vote: Ashersky. Its a new day. I am still comfortable camping my vote on him until either people agree with me or a better option comes along.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Night 2)
« on: January 25, 2013, 01:20:42 pm »Okay, obviously, if someone is roleblocker, they should claim, because they found scum in all likelihood.
If the kill was doctored, jailed, etc.,.... then don't say anything.
I agree with this. Also Robz, who did you track? What did you find out? (unless you want to wait to share your information)
Nobody. I was one-shot, man.
Oh missed that, sorry.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Night 2)
« on: January 25, 2013, 01:06:59 pm »Okay, obviously, if someone is roleblocker, they should claim, because they found scum in all likelihood.
If the kill was doctored, jailed, etc.,.... then don't say anything.
I agree with this. Also Robz, who did you track? What did you find out? (unless you want to wait to share your information)
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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Small World (Round V, TheMunch's turn)
« on: January 24, 2013, 02:45:09 pm »
Eh.
Fortified Skeletons
3 in 6,11,16
Extra Skeleton and fortress in 6.
Net gain 3 coin
Fortified Skeletons
3 in 6,11,16
Extra Skeleton and fortress in 6.
Net gain 3 coin
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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Small World (Round V, TheMunch's turn)
« on: January 24, 2013, 02:40:30 pm »
Yeah been super busy. Doing this right now. Sorry guys for holding you all up! I dont know what to do! Math says that both options math out to similar amounts of coins, not that they are necessarily going to let me catch up but... We'll see.