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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 1, PM MOD FOR SPEC QT

« on: September 17, 2012, 02:02:38 pm »

Pretty sure I called out shraeye before cayvie did, even if she made it bigger than I did.  cayvie's #364 gives plenty of non-scumslip reasons for suspecting shraeye.  Making a fuss about a portmanteau is ridiculous.  English is a mess of a language anyways.  Was Shakespeare an idiot for making up a new word every 5 pages?

Making a fuss about the English language is irrelevent at best but being a similarly nitpicky person about my own set of things, I could see why someone is motivated to post regarding their opinions on the English language.  I dont think necessarily having opinions and expressing them is an attempt to derail conversation and provide a lack of content.

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What content has there been in shraeye's posts?  Sure there has been some, there's some in everyone's posts.  There hasn't been anything noteworthy enough to warrant your passionate defense.  Your first paragraph is a bit contradictory in that shraeye was the one who unnecessarily made a big deal about the word in the first place, instead of just asking about it in the first place.  Shouldn't that cause you to be more suspicious of him?

I dont intend to argue that Shraeye is full of awesome talking points, I just sad a lot of his posts had content.  I bring this up specifically to outline that people are avoiding responding to what content there is by talking about irrelevent dribble.  I dont care what content hes providing, I care that people are avoiding it.  As an example:

For clarity, I'm pretty sure ehunt's "generally confusing thing" is referencing the invisible/extra/mystery vote on DSell, right?  It was frustrating that he never actually named it in his post and just called it "the GCT."  I don't think that a secret vote on DSell is any indication of towniness one way or the other.  Totally neutral read on DSell because of that.  I agree that wild speculation on why it was there or what it means is not useful.  Here's what we townies take away from it: there is something unusual that can happen with votes, now we know about it and can account for it (hopefully).

Also,

Hi all, just wanted to drop in and say I'm not acti-lurking, just doing regular weekend life stuff, and trying to keep up.

I will mention Eevee is the same ole Eevee, Morgrim a very new Morgrim (liking it!), and the rest of you are still unmolded clay.  I noticed talk of cards started and stopped very quickly; I think it's for the best to leave that to subsequent days. 

Good, I was really worried you were "acti-lurking."  Oh wait, no I wasn't, because that isn't a word.  In more serious news, "talk of cards" never actually started; ehunt said "it's not a good thing to broadcast, don't do it."  End of discussion.  I suppose if I take "stopped very quickly" to mean instantly, you are right.  Otherwise, you do not know what it means to start talking about things.

Any other noise I would account for with him just having to respond to the nonsense that is being brought up by people who are accusing him.  To reiterate, I'm not saying I agree with him or that all he says is gold.  I'm saying that I am suspicious of people who chose to continue to respond to nonsense instead of something he actually said instead of saying nothing at all and letting the nonsense die.

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Which reasons from other people do you agree with that you think ehunt is suspicious?  I don't think it's been very well fleshed out at all.

ehunt is currently discussing a bunch of the talking points so I'll give a response if necessary after all that has been said.

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I get kind of a bad vibe from you, but that might just be because I've never played a game with you before this.

Yeah, I understand full well that I might be giving weird vibes to those who dont know me.  If I were to defend myself, I would say that in general I strongly dislike the fact that most of the talking points thus far are on things that I consider irrelevent.  As such I am only "defending Shraeye" to the point that we can move on.  If that makes me scum so be it.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 1, PM MOD FOR SPEC QT

« on: September 17, 2012, 12:21:26 pm »

I'm with whoever said the prolonged discussion of acti-lurking is, in fact, acti-lurking.

100 times this.  Shraeye has had content in a lot of his posts and I think its about time people both notice that and comment on it (I'm looking at you Cayvie in posts 335 and 364; you bold the least content filled part of the posts and start this whole tangent.  There very well might be others that are guilty for this but it deserves to be noted that people are guilty of this; see: watno.)  I'm not trying to tie myself irreparably to Shraeye as I dont really have a good read on him one way or the other, but that doesn't mean there are other things of validity to discuss.

For example, Hey Gooble (in 324) and Watno (in 373), you both mention that you are suspicious of Shraeye.  You are both most notable for being suspicious for reasons NOT involving the ridiculous "scumslip".  Care to elaborate?

And not that I want to continue silliness involving semantics of "acti-lurking" but this all started with the post by Ashersky.  If I understand correctly, Active Lurking (already mentioned but worth reiterating) is the act of making you look active while contributing nothing to the conversation, usually used to avoid topics while avoiding looking like you are avoiding topics.  If that is the case, then why is Ashersky actually worried at all about being accused of active lurking.  To active lurk there would need to be topics that he would want to avoid, but there weren't any at the time of the post.  It just seems silly to me to be worried about being accused of something scummy when that act is physically impossible.

That all being said, my vote is on ehunt and will remain there for the time being.  People have pretty much fleshed out why it is worthy to be suspicious of ehunt.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 1, PM MOD FOR SPEC QT

« on: September 17, 2012, 07:28:27 am »

Well, the point of RVS is to get something started. Like, if you don't have RVS, you have... what? Town sitting around and saying "nobody's suspicious, so I'm not voting for anybody" all day. So you throw some votes around. Make people talk, so maybe you'll catch scum in a lie. Make people vote, so that afterwards, you can catch scum based on who voted for who.

It doesn't have to be RVS. Depending on the game, it could be talk about meta like someone else started here, or talk about theory, or talk about the setup. Anything to make people *commit* to positions and *say* things that they'll be held to later. And random votes work fine for that. You'll rarely catch scum with them, but they'll at least set up future days.

The point I was trying to make was that there are other ways to get the game going, namely all the meta posts about previous players.  I'm not trying to claim that I am an expert at this game but clearly alternatives do exist.  People that have responded to me in favor of RVS have had no other argument other than "well, what else are you going to do".  Which is fine, thats exactly the kind of defeatist attitude I would expect from proponents of the RVS.  I mean, heck, even Shraeye's "scumslip" (come on guys... that post doesnt immidiately make him scum or not scum, just obnoxiously sarcastic) started more conversation than any random voting ever did.  The closest second would be those voting to get rid of inactive players which I also support (Cayvie, post #366).

My new guess about the secret vote: secret voter is either newbie or town (or both). Since it's a secret voter and not a doublevoter, any experienced mafia player would know better than to immediately reveal it, and would use it to secretly hammer when the time came. A newbie mafia could still get overeager with it  and use it immediately (FoS: igbtennis, munch, and I guess also watno and cuzz, I only remember them in joth's BM, and I could see morgrim doing that even though he's not a newbie); or, it's an experienced townie making sure the town knows he's around so they can plan accordingly. Still keeping my eye on the newbies though.

I dont like this line of reasoning; not because I'm one of the new players, but because I think its fallacious.  (Also if that is your reasoning, your only suspicion should be pointed against me since igbtennis is currently a nonparticipant? but thats irrelevenet)  So you're saying prior to game start we know their could be a secret voter but not necessarily that there is one and revealing the role's existance is a "noob mistake."  I dont think its a secret voter but a doublevoter (the hidden vote has always moved with one individual, not conclusive with the number of vote counts but enough to watch for).  If its a doublevoter, they cant really keep that a secret (other than wait till the end and hammer, you are right).  That being said, a very active secret voter could make it appear like someone is a double voter for whatever reason.  Basically what I'm saying is, we cant know if its a secret voter or a double voter, the existance of a secret voter could make a double voter look in attendence, and if there is a secret voter, thats something not obvious to track.  So if its a secret voter, then its not necessarily noob to do something deceptive, and we cant know whether or not its a secret voter or a double voter.  Take that as you will.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 1, PM MOD FOR SPEC QT

« on: September 16, 2012, 11:27:06 pm »

Noteworthy: the secret vote has moved to shraeye.

(Cue the "OMG he made an obvious observation guys that only helps the scum team!1!!")

As a clarification, are secret voters and/or doublevoters always pro town?  You seem to be implying that thats the case and I just dont know better.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 1, PM MOD FOR SPEC QT

« on: September 16, 2012, 08:22:43 pm »

As a new player I have no clue what actilurking is and if not for people adamantly telling me its a thing I wouldn't have thought it was a thing.  Instead of talking about scumslips can we just define the term and move forward?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- GAME START, DAY 1

« on: September 16, 2012, 04:52:17 pm »

Vote: ehunt

I have to say I was initially on board with ehunts idea; with such a large number of players I was smitten with the idea of less clutter more content.  But as people actually started to refute this as being a bad idea it made me reevaluate my initial thoughts.  Maybe its good in theory, bad in practice?  Id rather encourage people to give themselves plenty of opportunities (through posting often) to produce inconsistent ideas which can be evaluated by the group.  There might be more "junk" to sift through but all in all talking is good.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- GAME START, DAY 1

« on: September 16, 2012, 10:07:26 am »

So maybe I am just incredibly naive but I just dont understand the RVS as a concept.  If the goal during the day is for town people to make good decisions and scum to make "bad" ones then having a RVS stage should, in my mind, only be backed by two kinds of people: lazy town and overeager scum.  Both of these kinds of players are ones I wouldn't want to see around.

Imma interrupt the meta-reads everyone is giving.  How is any of this useful at all?

Talking is good.

I agree with Cayvie here.  For the people that are giving meta information, I could care less how players played in previous games.  Anyone can change their playstyle at any minute and does not come with any value.  But for the people that are giving such meta information, it can give insight into potentially what they care about from other players in other games, giving some kind of insight into their scum/protown leaning.  Not sure; dont have anything conclusive yet but talking is better than RSV.

Vote: ashersky

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- GAME START, DAY 1

« on: September 15, 2012, 10:58:25 pm »

Asking to hear things from new players is a scumtell.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade

« on: August 29, 2012, 07:06:27 pm »

Hey, guys!  I know this is my first post here, but I would be quite interested in joining in on this Mafia game.  I heard about mafia on this forum from a friend of mine and wanted to participate.  Hope there is room for one more!