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Dominion => Dominion General Discussion => Topic started by: theory on November 02, 2011, 04:42:26 pm
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Here's the link. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=909.0)
I like to keep the Donald X. posts in their own forum to make it clean and easy to read, but I thought I should open up a discussion on this since it's new and exciting.
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One thing I find intriguing: I don't know if it is intended, but the number of card drawers are getting back. I felt we hit the lowest point when prosperity came out.
In this set, Stables is the card that I admire the most. It fundamentally changes the necessity of deck trimming. It is similar to Hunting party, but currently I don't feel it as overpowered.
Fool's Gold, on the other hand, is a bit too swingy to my taste. It may just be my own bad luck, yesterday I lost a game in which my opponent opened double FG, without any trashing available. There is minions. That shouldn't go too well with FG, I thought. He did get a third one.
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For what it's worth, during my [extremely] limited playtesting of the set, I really did think it had a Silver theme going on. And this is fodder for a future article, but I think Hinterlands in a subtle way really does make Silver more relevant.
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For what it's worth, during my [extremely] limited playtesting of the set, I really did think it had a Silver theme going on. And this is fodder for a future article, but I think Hinterlands in a subtle way really does make Silver more relevant.
Oh, I have been buying Silver way way more often since Hinterlands came out. I've even been doing crazy things like buying Explorer.
Given the boost Silver gets in Hinterlands (through cards like Trader, Jack, Stables, Embassy, etc., and also through the lack of strong options for virtual money), I'm actually kind of disappointed this set didn't get the inevitable "1 VP per every X Treasures in your deck" Victory card. I also wish Jack was weaker and Ill-Gotten Gains was actually a Treasure-Attack (just for the aesthetics of it more than anything), but those are my only complaints.
ED: Actually I guess if IGG was a Treasure-Attack that still wouldn't let Moat/Lighthouse block the incoming Curse, so never mind. But the idea of a Treasure-Attack still seems like it would be fun, and I do kinda wish those cards could block IGG-given curses.
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I don't know, completely blocking an incoming curse from IGG is a kick in the nuts. It's one thing to play a Witch and have your attack blocked; it's quite another to spend your buy on a gimped Silver for no effect.
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If Ill-Gotten Gains were a Treasure-Attack, it would actually be weaker. Every time you played it for coins, your opponents could reveal Secret Chamber or Horse Traders for benefit.
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If Ill-Gotten Gains were a Treasure-Attack, it would actually be weaker. Every time you played it for coins, your opponents could reveal Secret Chamber or Horse Traders for benefit.
Yeah, I realized after I said it that a Treasure-Attack would have to be something that had an attack effect when you played it as a Treasure, not just on the gain.
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I enjoyed the "on buy" vs. "on gain" sections of the article. Some of those broken game states that would result from having the wrong one hadn't occurred to me. It really highlights how delicate the balancing of these cards are. And how much harder it gets to consider all the different possibilities as more and more cards come out.
I also appreciated the write-up on Duchess, which I'd posted a confused query about earlier.
Finally, it's interesting to me that many of Donald's rejects still seem like pretty solid cards. Just goes to show how we get the best of the best when the official sets are finalized.
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Finally, it's interesting to me that many of Donald's rejects still seem like pretty solid cards. Just goes to show how we get the best of the best when the official sets are finalized.
Yeah agreed. I was struck by how the influence of his friends who play-test seem to have. Cards his group considered "boring" were left off, or changed. It was not enough for a card to be balanced, it had to be interesting as well.
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Does anyone know if Donald's playgroup ventures onto Isotropic on occasion? I ask because it's clear that they have a ton of experience with the cards, but I don't know how aggressive their group is in terms of optimizing their play. It would be really interesting to see how that group compares with the Isotropic leaders.
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Does anyone know if Donald's playgroup ventures onto Isotropic on occasion? I ask because it's clear that they have a ton of experience with the cards, but I don't know how aggressive their group is in terms of optimizing their play. It would be really interesting to see how that group compares with the Isotropic leaders.
isotropic is one of the main playtesting platforms. I don't know if any of them play with the general population.
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There was a popular card that I decided would be better in a later set, so I moved it there.
Jack of all trades ?
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There was a popular card that I decided would be better in a later set, so I moved it there.
Jack of all trades ?
Yes.
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Sorry for dragging up this old thread, but there's a short comment (in the text about Noble Brigand) which I find interesting:
I replaced it with a card I stole from a later set. "A later set." There are only two sets after this one, and one of them is a latecomer with its own special thing going on. When I say "a later set," I mean the 8th set, which was originally the 4th set, back before I showed Dominion to RGG, when there were only five expansions
So first, since RGG changed the release order of the expansions (when the Base Cards thing came in), I presume this 8th expansion, which once was the 4th, is actually Dark Ages. So Noble Brigand was in Dark Ages originally?
And this "latecomer" mentioned here is probably Guilds, with "its own special thing going on"? I mean, it's still more than half a year away and Dark Ages is as hot as it can get (since many couldn't even play it yet), but it looks like there will be quite some room for wild speculations once 2013 is approaching...
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So first, since RGG changed the release order of the expansions (when the Base Cards thing came in), I presume this 8th expansion, which once was the 4th, is actually Dark Ages. So Noble Brigand was in Dark Ages originally?
And this "latecomer" mentioned here is probably Guilds, with "its own special thing going on"? I mean, it's still more than half a year away and Dark Ages is as hot as it can get (since many couldn't even play it yet), but it looks like there will be quite some room for wild speculations once 2013 is approaching...
Yes, Noble Brigand started in Dark Ages, and Guilds "has its own special thing going on."