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Dominion => Game Reports => Topic started by: CopperrCopper on March 08, 2013, 04:34:39 pm

Title: Haggler/BM vs Haggler/Vineyards
Post by: CopperrCopper on March 08, 2013, 04:34:39 pm
Vineyards won but after the fact opponent questioned the decision.  I'm interested to hear others thoughts?  Did I get lucky?  Didn't feel like it...

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201303/08/game-20130308-133136-82a7a91f.html

16:31 Copper copper everywhere, but not a drop to drin…: gg
16:31 playing bla bla bla...: gg but not sure of vinneyards
Title: Re: Haggler/BM vs Haggler/Vineyards
Post by: shark_bait on March 08, 2013, 04:57:30 pm
The problem of Haggler/Vineyards is that anytime you buy a Vineyard with Haggler in play, you must gain a Copper, so there is a bit of antisynergy going on.  Also with no Cantrip action cards, there aren't really any that are ideal to spam.  That being said, Haggler/BM didn't have much help either and there was no way to easily pile drive the Province pile.  So it's kinda a toss up, but your opponent did have merit in his slight criticism of Vineyards.
Title: Re: Haggler/BM vs Haggler/Vineyards
Post by: zahlman on March 08, 2013, 05:15:50 pm
The problem of Haggler/Vineyards is that anytime you buy a Vineyard with Haggler in play, you must gain a Copper, so there is a bit of antisynergy going on.

It works well if there's another Alchemy card besides Transmute, though :)
Title: Re: Haggler/BM vs Haggler/Vineyards
Post by: ehunt on March 08, 2013, 05:17:49 pm
The problem of Haggler/Vineyards is that anytime you buy a Vineyard with Haggler in play, you must gain a Copper, so there is a bit of antisynergy going on.

It works well if there's another Alchemy card besides Transmute, though :)

no - I've fallen for this trap too. You can't gain Vineyard with a Haggler (not because of potion cost trickery, but because vineyard is a victory card)
Title: Re: Haggler/BM vs Haggler/Vineyards
Post by: playing bla bla bla... on March 17, 2013, 05:14:49 am
Yes i agree with shark_bait. Was like a toss up. I was not sure about your vinneyard strategy, thinking about his lack of synergy. Haggler BM was not very strong here for sure, but if i have to play it again (and i wont because no more isotropic!!!!!!!!!! :'(), i'll go for it, not taking crossroads, only gold, silver...
I think the turn 3 was the key turn and slowed a lot my strategy.
In turn 3 i dont have cutpurse, and you have it. In turn 4 you've gold, i've mine turn 6.
I think cutpurse helped you more in this turn, wich is not the more frecuent being 2nd player.
Seeing the final (if you dont take province, i take), i thougth haggler BM was little better.

But i agree there was not super strong strategies here, and i didnt play very well mine!
Title: Re: Haggler/BM vs Haggler/Vineyards
Post by: zahlman on March 19, 2013, 03:11:08 am
The problem of Haggler/Vineyards is that anytime you buy a Vineyard with Haggler in play, you must gain a Copper, so there is a bit of antisynergy going on.

It works well if there's another Alchemy card besides Transmute, though :)

no - I've fallen for this trap too. You can't gain Vineyard with a Haggler (not because of potion cost trickery, but because vineyard is a victory card)

See, I know this, but I keep messing it up >_<
Title: Re: Haggler/BM vs Haggler/Vineyards
Post by: Jack Rudd on March 19, 2013, 01:09:23 pm
The problem of Haggler/Vineyards is that anytime you buy a Vineyard with Haggler in play, you must gain a Copper, so there is a bit of antisynergy going on.
Obligatory edge case: Peddler.
Title: Re: Haggler/BM vs Haggler/Vineyards
Post by: Kirian on March 19, 2013, 03:19:21 pm
The problem of Haggler/Vineyards is that anytime you buy a Vineyard with Haggler in play, you must gain a Copper, so there is a bit of antisynergy going on.
Obligatory edge case: Peddler.
Also: Curse
Title: Re: Haggler/BM vs Haggler/Vineyards
Post by: Drab Emordnilap on March 19, 2013, 04:42:44 pm
Also Highway/Bridge/Princess.
Title: Re: Haggler/BM vs Haggler/Vineyards
Post by: Powerman on March 19, 2013, 06:02:13 pm
Also, if the copper and curse piles are out.