Dominion Strategy Forum
Archive => 2016 DominionStrategy Championships => Archive => 2012 => Topic started by: jsh357 on November 15, 2012, 01:40:58 pm
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Just a simple poll for greatexpectations. How many users should we expect this year?
i would throw up a poll but i can't start threads at work. just ask if we want 128/256/512 whatever? we could just make an option to take what we get and then do a play in round i guess.
im pretty confident we could hit 512, especially if we try to stretch registration an extra few days. (again, that encourages us starting soon) the community has grown quite a bit, and we can make an effort to advertise on bgg, reddit, iso lobby in addition to the blog/forum/wiki.
Thanks GE/jonts.
I honestly doubt that you need a 512 player tournament. I think that would be madness. My suggestion would be:
240 open registration spots, first come first serve
16 spots for late entrants > level 40, or QF+ in last year's event. If not all filled, then the next people who signed up, a bit late.
I do want to run the Kingdom Design Challenge again, which honestly was just as cool. I'll put up a copy of Dominion or any expansion for both winners.
A Google Form would be best for populating all this stuff. I would like to force all people to register on f.ds. My plan is to make a post on the main blog with a link to a non-guest-viewable topic in this forum, containing the embedded form.
The form would ask:
f.ds username
Iso username
Time zone
After we collect all that data, rrenaud (if he loves us!) can run a script to scrape everyone's level from a random day for seeding, and then we'll put that into challonge. Does that sound good?
What I can do is do all of the above, make posts, etc. Where I am less interested in getting involved is:
* Coming up with a ruleset that will satisfy everyone
* Dealing with no-shows, logistics, and collection of results
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What's the difference between "same as last year" and "theory's suggestion"?
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You got me
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I'm not sure there is a diff between any of the options and my 'suggestion' -- AFAICT my suggestion is just that we should have auto-entries for high level people or people who did well in the DSC last year. Maybe some people don't think we shouldn't have any automatic entry slots for > level 35 or 40 or whatever, but I am ok with the 241st guy with a negative level not getting in if it means prioritizing the 242nd guy who is marin.
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I'm not sure there is a diff between any of the options and my 'suggestion'
maybe they are thinking of your comment where you seemed to indicate that we should go with 256 players instead of 512. thats my guess anyway.
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It seems the 3 options are pretty balanced. How long will the votes be collected? I can't wait to get this started. ;)
The problem might be that if we try to get 512 and then we get ~400 entries. What should we do? Wait? Cut at 256? Or play a qualifying round based on the ranking?
I think we should set up a deadline for the subscription and 2-3 days before that, we count how many entries we have and can still make a decision.
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well if the polls are largely split then i think it is executive decision o'clock. we're still finalizing some of the logistics but we'll probably have something for you guys soon.
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Yeah, it is probably best to just move forward soon. For all we know only around 300 people sign up?
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The problem might be that if we try to get 512 and then we get ~400 entries. What should we do?
I see no problem at all. If, for example, there are exactly 400 entries, to get 256 people we need to eliminate 144 of them. So we rank them any way the organizers decide to be fair (I guess it should be Isotropic ranking, signup time, random or some combination of those three), top 112 advances to round 2 without playing, remaining 288 form 144 pairs and play round 2. Then we have 256 people in round 2 and the tournament goes on till final.
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I think we will cap it at 256. If you register after 240 people have already registered, and you aren't level 35+, then too bad. Even RisingJaguar was decently high level when he made his Cinderella run.
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I think we will cap it at 256. If you register after 240 people have already registered, and you aren't level 35+, then too bad. Even RisingJaguar was decently high level when he made his Cinderella run.
To be fair I play alot but I don't play on iso at all anymore, I like DA too much I tend to play RL now as I did last year so I suspect I'll be low seed if I make it in
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I think we will cap it at 256. If you register after 240 people have already registered, and you aren't level 35+, then too bad. Even RisingJaguar was decently high level when he made his Cinderella run.
Depending on how fast the signups go I think you should consider 512 people, and advertise it better somehow. I know for 2011 a lot of people just didn't even see the signups. I think it's better for community growth to have as many people participate as possible.
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The problem might be that if we try to get 512 and then we get ~400 entries. What should we do?
I see no problem at all. If, for example, there are exactly 400 entries, to get 256 people we need to eliminate 144 of them. So we rank them any way the organizers decide to be fair (I guess it should be Isotropic ranking, signup time, random or some combination of those three), top 112 advances to round 2 without playing, remaining 288 form 144 pairs and play round 2. Then we have 256 people in round 2 and the tournament goes on till final.
That was my third suggestion. Or play a qualifying round based on the ranking?
But nevermind, I think we should just get the announcement out and then we'll see how many will sign up.
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I would definately sign up! I love me some Dominion Tournaments!
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I ended up limiting it to 256. If something happens to Isotropic mid-tournament I would rather not be in the midst of a complicated bracket, plus Challonge does not handle it all that well.
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Oooh, to play or not to play...
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Oooh, to play or not to play...
that's not the question
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That is the question for me!
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A tourney of this nature adds a huge amount of excitement to playing dominion. Playing these 7 game series are fantastic. Against skilled players it's even better. And when you manage to get into a game 7.... let's just say they can be pretty intense. It's not hard to make time as you only need to play one match a week. Also, you are the US Champion, you should be required to join ;)
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I know I'm way too late with this comment, but just going to post a token vote of 'not comfortable' with this idea of slots reserved for level 30+ players.
If you want a mass participation tournament then make it free for all. If you want an elite tournament then impose a minimum iso level. This seems to be a petty hybrid of the two. The message seems to be "anybody can play, but if someone more important comes along we might kick you out".
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I know I'm way too late with this comment, but just going to post a token vote of 'not comfortable' with this idea of slots reserved for level 30+ players.
If you want a mass participation tournament then make it free for all. If you want an elite tournament then impose a minimum iso level. This seems to be a petty hybrid of the two. The message seems to be "anybody can play, but if someone more important comes along we might kick you out".
I agree with this.
If you could explain to me why someone with a higher level should get priority over someone else who plays a lot, but isnt as good?
(I can see the exception that QF from last year are asked directly if they want a spot and that saved for them, because they have actually earned it by previously participating and doing well!)
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I know I'm way too late with this comment, but just going to post a token vote of 'not comfortable' with this idea of slots reserved for level 30+ players.
If you want a mass participation tournament then make it free for all. If you want an elite tournament then impose a minimum iso level. This seems to be a petty hybrid of the two. The message seems to be "anybody can play, but if someone more important comes along we might kick you out".
If you wanted to be guaranteed an entry -- there were 240 slots for you to sign up in. You could just consider it a 240-person tournament with 16 bonus entries divvied up among first-come-first-served and very high-ranking players.