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Title: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Lekkit on October 25, 2012, 08:44:45 am
I guess I'm not the only one here who enjoys a good electronic game every once in a while. Before I found Dominion I played a lot of NDS games. I'm not saying Dominion was the reason I stopped playing a lot of electronic games. A week ago me and my girlfirend picked up our NDS and continued playing the Ace Attorney series. That made me think that there are probably a lot of people here who would ejoy those. So I thought about starting a game recommendation thread.

So the games I currently would recommend are these:

The Ace Attorney series (Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - NDS/Wii/iOS, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Justice for All - NDS/Wii, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials and Tribulations - NDS/Wii and Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney - NDS).

These games are seriously good! I mean it. Seriously! If you've even considered joining a game of mafia here on the forums, you will most likely enjoy these games. The basics of the game is that you are a defense attorney, assigned different clients in different murder cases. You go about talking to people, investigating crime scenes and snoop around for evidence. This is done in a more dialogue oriented style, reminding of old classic point and click games, such as Day of the Tentacle, Monkey Island and other Lucas Arts games. When you've found enough information it's time to head to the courtroom where you have to find contradiction in witnesses' testimonies and prove that people are lying. All while reading VERY WELL written dialogue. This series is originaly in Japanese, but the translation is REALLY good. Sometimes it feels kind of odd with japanese culture all over the place, when it's set in North America. But besides that, there's a lot of really good, bad and funny puns, enjoyable characters and a lot of warm humor. It's not an action packed series, but games in the department visual novels. Which describes the games pretty well. It's like an interactive novel, where you get to solve the crime. The music is also really good. A lot of really good tracks through all of the games. If you have an Apple device/anything else that can play this game, play it!

Another game that I really have been enjoying lately is Dark Souls (XBOX 360/PS3/PC). It's an action game, where you die. A lot. It's really skill intensive and if you are not careful you die. A lot. First time playing it I died four times during the tutorial. Before you get the hang of it you will die. A lot. But the feeling you get when you finally defeat the boss you've been trying to kill for the last 5 hours is really great. And there's a lot of content in this game. My first playthrough, it lasted me 60 hours. I have played it for about 60 additional hours after that, trying different builds, different weapons and different routes to different places. Before you go out and buy/rent/whatever this game, this game is not for the faint hearted. Just do a YouTube search for Dark Souls frustration, and you get what I mean. It's a really rewarding though, and once you get better at it, learn the different enemies' patterns you'll die a lot less and feel really good about it. Also, a lot of the bosses are really epic and it feels really nice to fight them. I can think of three boss fights that seems really unfair at first, but in the end, I think that only one of them is actually a not so good boss fight. Anyways, if you like a challenge or like yell at your screen when playing games, give this game a spin.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: jsh357 on October 25, 2012, 09:19:52 am
I agree on Ace Attorney--I have played lots of Adventure games and VNs, and I honestly think (at least for the first three games; it went downhill after that) it is the best in its genre.  The localization does a great job removing some of the Japanese cultural references that would have otherwise been an entry barrier while still maintaining the feel of the game. Ace Attorney 3 is one of my favorite games of all time: five great cases, excellent conclusion to the series, and overall the best music of the three games.

Can't really know where to begin recommending stuff here... in the last thread it seemed like the majority of Dominion players are more in to RTS/strategy/simulation games, which I know little about as I have devoted the most play time to Japanese RPGs.  I enjoy playing video games alone for the most part and I also prefer games with a unique artistic style (ala Yoshi's Island or Earthbound).  Music is also very important to me in games.

Here is a list of (largely out of date) write-ups about my favorites.  http://rateyourmusic.com/list/jsh357/favorite_video_games

I guess if I had to recommend two games out of those to PC gamers, it'd be the Thief series and Little King's Story.  Both fantastic, undervalued games in their genres. 
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Davio on October 25, 2012, 09:35:05 am
I'm sure I made a topic about this in the past.... ???
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Lekkit on October 25, 2012, 09:48:25 am
Is forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=1114.0 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=1114.0) what you mean?
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: theory on October 25, 2012, 10:03:30 am
It's nice to have an 'update' topic every now and then though :)

I've stopped playing TF2, for example, since it was starting to take up too much free time.  Any free time I had, the easy solution was just to boot up TF2, and then it would just expand to fill all of that free time.  So now I occupy myself with Orcs Must Die 2, which is a nice coop tower defense game with a twist.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Kuildeous on October 25, 2012, 10:30:58 am
I've seen Orcs Must Die show up a lot on Steam. I haven't checked it out yet.  I do enjoy tower defense games, though.

For a while, I got sucked back into TF2 with the Mann vs Machine update. Speaking of tower defense, that's kind of how I view MvM. Of course, it looks more like a tower defense with engineers, but there are plenty of similarities: Pyros camp around the front, Snipers camp in a defensible position, Heavies camp next to a dispenser, etc.

Hell, I started playing regular TF2 again so I could earn achievements and get some of the gear upgrades. Nobody cares if you can uber in MvM. They want the Kritzkrieg!

But, TF2 has fallen to the wayside. I now have XCOM – Enemy Within. I held off on buying this game, since refitting classic games has usually been negative. I downloaded the demo and found all those things that made me love XCOM in the first place. I bought it the same day I completed the demo.

Although, now that I've gotten used to the awesomeness of the game, the nitpicks stand out more for me. Sometimes I can't position a soldier correctly unless I rotate the camera. I've had my rage moments when I realize that what I clicked on was not the same spot I wanted the soldier to go to. And it drives me nuts that the save games aren't sorted in chronological order, though I guess I could fix that by stopping being a pussy and just play on Ironman mode.

If you liked the original XCOM, then this one is for you. It's updated and fixes some of the issues from the first game (like the fixed camera). If you're under 25, then check out the game anyway and see what kept some of us glued to the monitor 18 years ago. Demo is free.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: () | (_) ^/ on October 25, 2012, 04:33:58 pm
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Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Captain_Frisk on October 25, 2012, 04:47:27 pm
I'll through a vote out there for

FTL.  Totally worth it.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: theory on October 25, 2012, 04:51:55 pm
Vote: ftl

FTFY
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: () | (_) ^/ on October 25, 2012, 05:04:16 pm
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Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Davio on October 25, 2012, 05:35:10 pm
Nowadays I don't really have time for large games, Diablo III has been gathering dust on my hard drive, so I just play Wordfeud using the app for Windows 8.

Due to a work license, I've been able to use Win 8 RTM for a couple of weeks now and it's decent although the Metro UI won't please everyone. I just use my desktop all the same.

But if you're using Win 7 and have to pay for your copy, there's really no need to run to the store tomorrow, it's not that groundbreaking for laptops/PCs, nor is it really "necessary".
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Archetype on October 25, 2012, 06:56:29 pm
For computer games: Age of Empires (AOE) is very good. Own the entire series and play it often. Sid Meier's Civilization is pretty awesome too.

I'm also pretty sure pops is a big fan, judging by his Avatar. :P
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Morgrim7 on October 27, 2012, 08:30:08 am
If you want computer games, go to armorgames.com.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: jotheonah on October 27, 2012, 08:46:32 am
I've been yearning for the PC games of my youth lately: X-Wing, Myst, Civilization, Monkey Island. The Dark Forces/Jedi Knight series. Chip's freaking Challenge. Steam often feeds my nostalgia craze, but I need to get a real computer if I want to play Myst.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: jotheonah on October 27, 2012, 08:46:54 am
Warlords! Anybody play those games?
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Morgrim7 on October 27, 2012, 08:48:08 am
Joth, have you tried Castaway 2? Its really good. And I play Warlords.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Morgrim7 on October 27, 2012, 08:49:18 am
Oh, and Chips Challenge. I love that game. It certainly is...a challenge.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: jotheonah on October 27, 2012, 08:51:13 am
I'll check it out. I was just remembering how my Dad used to be obsessed with Civilization I, and one time my cousin came to visit us, hacked into the code, and reprogrammed the diplomacy dialogue for all the ambassadors. Made it super anachronistic and just ridiculous. My Dad was pissed, but also we all found it pretty hilarious.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Ozle on October 27, 2012, 09:16:49 am
Oh, and Chips Challenge. I love that game. It certainly is...a challenge.

Woah yes I remember that, brilliant it was
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Hks on October 27, 2012, 11:26:21 am
For computer games: Age of Empires (AOE) is very good. Own the entire series and play it often. Sid Meier's Civilization is pretty awesome too.

I'm also pretty sure pops is a big fan, judging by his Avatar. :P
Well, at least I am :) Playing a lot of AoE2 online, on Voobly. Love the game ::)
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Kuildeous on October 27, 2012, 03:59:58 pm
I've been yearning for the PC games of my youth lately: X-Wing, Myst, Civilization, Monkey Island. The Dark Forces/Jedi Knight series. Chip's freaking Challenge. Steam often feeds my nostalgia craze, but I need to get a real computer if I want to play Myst.

Oh, you have got to check out GOG (http://www.gog.com/). It has quite the collection of old-school games. I bought Planescape: Torment there because my friends raved about it, and I did not play when it came out (at the time, I was on an anti-D&D kick, so I ignored everything D&D). It doesn't have all the games you listed, but I presume that there are some older games there that would interest you.

And hey, you even get access to a few free games out there (like Ultima 4).
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: dondon151 on October 27, 2012, 04:12:48 pm
I'm a pretty avid Fire Emblem player.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: popsofctown on October 27, 2012, 05:25:18 pm
For computer games: Age of Empires (AOE) is very good. Own the entire series and play it often. Sid Meier's Civilization is pretty awesome too.

I'm also pretty sure pops is a big fan, judging by his Avatar. :P

It's a Fishing Village! Get it?

I loved the single player on Age of Empires 2, it's good fun.  There's lots of outright goofing off one can do, trying to beat a level with only Monk conversion or something weird.  Much funner than my experience with SC2 single player.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Ozle on October 27, 2012, 05:37:59 pm
Played Age of Empires Online?
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Archetype on October 27, 2012, 05:50:42 pm
Played Age of Empires Online?
No, but I've heard it isn't as good as the original. My friends and I used to do LAN games against each other and I've been meaning to check out the online version.

For computer games: Age of Empires (AOE) is very good. Own the entire series and play it often. Sid Meier's Civilization is pretty awesome too.

I'm also pretty sure pops is a big fan, judging by his Avatar. :P

It's a Fishing Village! Get it?

I loved the single player on Age of Empires 2, it's good fun.  There's lots of outright goofing off one can do, trying to beat a level with only Monk conversion or something weird.  Much funner than my experience with SC2 single player.
Oh! I was wondering why you just had a Dock as your Avatar :P At least have like a War Elephant or something.

I love trying to sneak Villagers out of my town to start a new one while 7 AIs are attacking. It's fun until one of them notices your new town, and then they come and kill it too. :P
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: O on October 27, 2012, 05:53:48 pm
They've put about 40 hours on the Dark Souls game in the lounge of my dorm... and it's only been out for like 4 days.

Its interesting to see a couple times but not as fun to watch as the more bash-everyone-to-death games.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Lekkit on October 27, 2012, 05:58:26 pm
I'm a pretty avid Fire Emblem player.

Great games. Radiant Dawn is quite challenging at some points. Like when your sucky team has to fight your epic super buffed team.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: jotheonah on October 27, 2012, 07:33:54 pm
Anybody remember Worms: Armageddon? THE party game of my middle school days.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: popsofctown on October 27, 2012, 07:36:32 pm
Anybody remember Worms: Armageddon? THE party game of my middle school days.

Yeah, I had lots of fun with my friends with that game.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Morgrim7 on October 27, 2012, 08:32:47 pm
I'm a pretty avid Fire Emblem player.
Oh, yeah. I love fire emblem.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: sparky5856 on October 28, 2012, 12:12:03 am
Guitar Hero over here. I'm a weirdo.

Anybody remember Worms: Armageddon? THE party game of my middle school days.

Yeah, I had lots of fun with my friends with that game.

Worms 2 was the (banana) bomb back in the day for me. Are the newer Worms games any good, does anyone know?
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Davio on October 28, 2012, 05:20:07 am
I think they're much of the same

I didn't like Worms 3D, too fiddly.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Grujah on October 28, 2012, 05:25:50 am
Anybody remember Worms: Armageddon? THE party game of my middle school days.

This is not a party game (well, it can be, though). I have a friend at college, we played W:A religiously and very competitively . We actually started playing for "money" (it was only to boost competition, small amount of 0.5$ per game at the end of the month).

Thing is, at one point, it went from just playing Worms to plain hacking.
First, my friend has made a program that, when run before each match, it would shuffle his team members so that I do not know the order of the worms. Now, to counter that, as we played on Hamachi (fake lan) and he didn't protect his file-sharing settings right, I managed to get in and steal the info about teams that program made for him..
To counter it, I've made loads of different teams so each he had to start writing them down anew (was lazy to code anything).
Next step was that I manage to scrap replays that are created real-time to get this info, and he started sniffing packages that I send to get the same info.
At that time we kinda decided that we should stop with at as it was getting ridiculous .

He is still in the lead with some small difference of 5 games, tho we haven't played it for a year or two.
:D
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Grujah on October 28, 2012, 05:26:31 am
Guitar Hero over here. I'm a weirdo.

Anybody remember Worms: Armageddon? THE party game of my middle school days.

Yeah, I had lots of fun with my friends with that game.

Worms 2 was the (banana) bomb back in the day for me. Are the newer Worms games any good, does anyone know?

Worms Armageddon (Special Addition) > Worms World Party > Older Worms > Newer (esp 3D) worms.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Lekkit on October 28, 2012, 11:25:54 am
Worms World Party is the Worms game for me.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: jotheonah on October 28, 2012, 12:05:26 pm
It's kind of like Super Smash Bros, in that if you keep the items to a minimum and play duels it can be a very strategic game, but if you play with 6 different teams (or in Smash's case, 4 players) and all the crazy items, it's totally a party game. I enjoy Smash in both context, but I seldom took Worms that seriously.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: popsofctown on October 28, 2012, 01:36:28 pm
I enjoyed the single player of Worms 3d reasonably well, but the multiplayer definitely lacked.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: shraeye on October 28, 2012, 03:55:21 pm
Anybody remember Worms: Armageddon? THE party game of my middle school days.
Oh man, I used to be one of those crazy guys who could ninja-rope all over the board in Worms2, as easily as other people walk around.  Haven't played in maybe 6 years though...that is an awesome awesome game.

Currently I play Minecraft from time to time, Civ5, Skyrim.  I'm also a fan of more straightforward adventure games that just play through from start to finish, instead of building up some expansive world.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: ycz6 on October 29, 2012, 04:33:54 am
Speaking of Worms, Worms Revolution aka Worms Fortress 2 came out just a few weeks ago. It's gotten great reviews so far, I might pick it up. Worms: The Facebook app now exists too.

Speaking of Super Smash Bros, anyone in the Cambridge, MA area should come to the SSBM tournament I'm hosting this Saturday (http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=328850)! If you play Melee, that is. You might be kinda bored otherwise.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: dondon151 on October 29, 2012, 04:56:12 am
Great games. Radiant Dawn is quite challenging at some points. Like when your sucky team has to fight your epic super buffed team.

Oh, yeah. I love fire emblem.

My YouTube channel (DD151) is almost solely dedicated to 0% growths playthroughs of Fire Emblem games on the hardest difficulties; check it out if you'd like ;) (not nearly as exciting as LPs, though).
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Morgrim7 on October 29, 2012, 07:57:38 am
DD151? I'll check it out.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: jotheonah on October 29, 2012, 11:43:40 am
Coinky-dink, I just moved to Cambridge (well, Somerville) and I'm looking to make some new friends. I'll see if I can make it.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: jsh357 on October 29, 2012, 12:41:34 pm
Great games. Radiant Dawn is quite challenging at some points. Like when your sucky team has to fight your epic super buffed team.

Oh, yeah. I love fire emblem.

My YouTube channel (DD151) is almost solely dedicated to 0% growths playthroughs of Fire Emblem games on the hardest difficulties; check it out if you'd like ;) (not nearly as exciting as LPs, though).

Your videos are good.  And as a guy who watches dumb youtube videos practically all day, I can say that no matter what you think of your own game footage videos, they can't be worse than Pewdiepie.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Davio on October 29, 2012, 02:47:48 pm
I liked Diablo III, but I liked D II better, but maybe it's because I'm a grandpa when it comes to computer gaming, I'm already 27! Heck, my first game was Paperboy on computer with a black and orange screen.

Do you guys sometimes get the need to play old computer games due to new boardgames coming out? Reading and watching videos about Suburbia makes me feel like playing Sim City again....
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Cuzz on October 29, 2012, 03:00:12 pm
Coinky-dink, I just moved to Cambridge (well, Somerville) and I'm looking to make some new friends. I'll see if I can make it.

Whoa, you moved to Somerville??
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: jotheonah on October 29, 2012, 04:07:41 pm
Sort of. I'm crashing in Somerville until I find a place in Cambridge, I guess. If we have this many Cantablasians/somervallians on the forum we should have a get together of some kind. (I guess Bostonians can come too).
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Saucery on October 31, 2012, 09:32:20 am
Diablo 3 turned out quite a disappointment. Not all bad because i made close to $400 on the RMAH, but they messed up the pacing and progression of the game through inferno. Torchlight 2 is worth a download for a fun dungeon crawler, the complete single player is free as a demo on steam.


If you want a seriously fantastic puzzle game, go check out Braid (http://store.steampowered.com/app/26800/) on steam.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Titandrake on October 31, 2012, 11:58:38 pm
I've been playing Super Meat Boy on and off. It's one of those games that gets more addictive the more time you invest in it, especially once you realize you're actually getting better at platforming.

Also, on a somewhat related note, Plants vs Zombies is downloadable for free until Nov 10th at stopzombiemouth.com, for the interested. Use the code "PEAH8R" to get it.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: sparky5856 on November 01, 2012, 01:08:47 am
I should look into Super Meat Boy, I must have over 100 hours of gameplay in another of McMillen's games, The Binding of Issac. Just Mom's Contacts and Demon Baby to go for Golden God.

More addictive the more time you invest in it.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Robz888 on November 01, 2012, 01:13:33 am
I'm late to the party here, but I LOVE the Worms game for Dreamcast.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Dsell on November 01, 2012, 01:39:52 am
I've mentioned it elsewhere on the forums, but I'm a HUGE fan of the Pokemon games. I've been playing for a long, long time and still love them as much as ever. I just got my copy of the new game (Black 2 and White 2 were just released in the US) and have been playing a ton this week. There is so much more to those games than most people realize.

Some other games I really love are Golden Sun (whole series), Super Smash Bros (whole series though I'm not that great at them), Super Mario Galaxy, Halo, Battlefront, and CoD. I mainly play multiplayer on the fps games, though. Oh and I totally love the quirkiness that is the Warioware series of games.

When I was younger I loved Simcity2000, Roller Coaster Tycoon, and the Yu-gi-oh! games...much cheaper than the actual cards.

I tried to get into Starcraft once but I never had the time to get very good at all. :( I love watching the game being played though.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Dsell on November 01, 2012, 01:41:36 am
Oh! Back when it first came out, I was obsessed with Spore. The concept was so, so awesome to me, even if the gameplay (until space!) ended up being a little mundane. I made zillions of creatures on there.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Robz888 on November 01, 2012, 01:45:34 am
As you may guess, I am a super fan of The Legend of Zelda. My favorite is Majora's Mask, though I truly love them all.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: theory on November 01, 2012, 10:03:15 am
Is anyone else excited for Halo 4?
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Kuildeous on November 01, 2012, 10:15:47 am
I've given up on Zelda games. And Metroid games. The boss fights just annoy the piss out of me.

I already have a thing against boss fights that require you to do a specific routine over and over again. While it happens in Super Mario Galaxy, at least those boss fights tend to be short and are merely annoying speed bumps amid some pretty good gameplay.

The boss fights in Zelda and Metroid, however, not only require you to do a specific routine, but punish you for trying to go outside the box. You have to use your newfound McGuffin to defeat the boss. Instead of being mere speed bumps, they cause the otherwise good gameplay to come to a screeching halt while I start the new game of "Oh, what fresh hell is this new bullshit?"

When I completed Super Metroid and Zelda: Twilight Princess, I promptly sold those games away and have not bought something from those titles since. Maybe they have changed things a bit, but these are Nintendo staples, so I'd be surprised if they did.

I almost gave up on Batman: Arkham City because Solomon Grundy's fight was exactly one of those boss fights. There was another boss fight later that was pretty bad too, but at least the game was overall awesome with boss fights that weren't Zelda-ized.

How my tastes have changed. As a teenager, I didn't mind the repetitive nature of McGuffin boss fights.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: () | (_) ^/ on November 01, 2012, 10:29:20 am
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Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Captain_Frisk on November 01, 2012, 10:32:10 am
Is anyone else excited for Halo 4?

<cricket>

I stopped enjoying halo around the same time that I started enjoying call of duty 4. 

I hated getting the drop on someone, start hosing them with my gun, and then have them turn around and kill me because I'm not 13 any more and can't reliably hit everyone in the face.

I'm not an expert level COD player, but with the higher lethality, placement matters a little bit more.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Davio on November 01, 2012, 10:47:11 am
That's one of the reasons I enjoyed Counter-Strike over other - mostly deathmatch - shooters at the time.

You only had one life and when you died, you had to wait before the round was over to join in again. This made it so you had to be more cautious. Of course you could always get one-shotted in the face with whatever gun, but it was more tactical.
And because you had objectives which could win you the round instead of simply killing the other team.

Another nice idea was your cash. Everyone started the game with a simple pistol and depending on how good you was, you could buy better guns and armor. So you could make tactical choices for your gun as well: do I want to snipe or rush?
It wasn't like: Let's all rush to that Rocket Launcher spawn point.

Very refreshing at the time.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: ArjanB on November 01, 2012, 11:19:59 am
Is anyone else excited for Halo 4?

Yep, pre-ordered and this weekend offcourse watching the pro's on MLG!
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Robz888 on November 01, 2012, 12:07:33 pm
I've given up on Zelda games. And Metroid games. The boss fights just annoy the piss out of me.

I already have a thing against boss fights that require you to do a specific routine over and over again. While it happens in Super Mario Galaxy, at least those boss fights tend to be short and are merely annoying speed bumps amid some pretty good gameplay.

The boss fights in Zelda and Metroid, however, not only require you to do a specific routine, but punish you for trying to go outside the box. You have to use your newfound McGuffin to defeat the boss. Instead of being mere speed bumps, they cause the otherwise good gameplay to come to a screeching halt while I start the new game of "Oh, what fresh hell is this new bullshit?"

When I completed Super Metroid and Zelda: Twilight Princess, I promptly sold those games away and have not bought something from those titles since. Maybe they have changed things a bit, but these are Nintendo staples, so I'd be surprised if they did.

I almost gave up on Batman: Arkham City because Solomon Grundy's fight was exactly one of those boss fights. There was another boss fight later that was pretty bad too, but at least the game was overall awesome with boss fights that weren't Zelda-ized.

How my tastes have changed. As a teenager, I didn't mind the repetitive nature of McGuffin boss fights.

Well, I don't know your preferences, but I'd say you gave up on Zelda at the wrong time. I like Twilight Princess, but for me it is certainly the weakest console Zelda game. I think you might enjoy Skyward Sword. The game gives you exquisite control over your sword, and there are a few bosses you have to defeat with swordplay. So I would say the boss fights are more novel. (Although there is one super annoying, repetitive boss that you fight 3 times...)

I like Zelda games for their landscapes, music, art, story, themes and sense of wonder. Your right that the boss fights are definitely among the weaker elements.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Kuildeous on November 01, 2012, 12:33:13 pm
Well, I don't know your preferences, but I'd say you gave up on Zelda at the wrong time. I like Twilight Princess, but for me it is certainly the weakest console Zelda game. I think you might enjoy Skyward Sword.

I'll keep that title in mind when I'm out shopping for a new game. Thanks.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: popsofctown on November 01, 2012, 12:48:13 pm
I've given up on Zelda games. And Metroid games. The boss fights just annoy the piss out of me.

I already have a thing against boss fights that require you to do a specific routine over and over again. While it happens in Super Mario Galaxy, at least those boss fights tend to be short and are merely annoying speed bumps amid some pretty good gameplay.

The boss fights in Zelda and Metroid, however, not only require you to do a specific routine, but punish you for trying to go outside the box. You have to use your newfound McGuffin to defeat the boss. Instead of being mere speed bumps, they cause the otherwise good gameplay to come to a screeching halt while I start the new game of "Oh, what fresh hell is this new bullshit?"

When I completed Super Metroid and Zelda: Twilight Princess, I promptly sold those games away and have not bought something from those titles since. Maybe they have changed things a bit, but these are Nintendo staples, so I'd be surprised if they did.

I almost gave up on Batman: Arkham City because Solomon Grundy's fight was exactly one of those boss fights. There was another boss fight later that was pretty bad too, but at least the game was overall awesome with boss fights that weren't Zelda-ized.

How my tastes have changed. As a teenager, I didn't mind the repetitive nature of McGuffin boss fights.

I know that there is at least one Zelda game that really allows you to be creative during boss fights and kill with several different strategies.  Maybe Oracle of Ages.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Davio on November 01, 2012, 12:50:58 pm
I loved Skyward Sword, but I didn't like travelling in it, the senseless flying from A to B was very repetitive.
Didn't mind the boss fights that much.

Anyway, I always start the game like: "I'm gonna get every secret"
And halfway through: "Okay, I just wanna finish it"

"A Link to the Past" is the best for me and I've completed it a couple of times with a SNES Emulator.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Robz888 on November 01, 2012, 12:58:55 pm
I loved Skyward Sword, but I didn't like travelling in it, the senseless flying from A to B was very repetitive.
Didn't mind the boss fights that much.

Anyway, I always start the game like: "I'm gonna get every secret"
And halfway through: "Okay, I just wanna finish it"

"A Link to the Past" is the best for me and I've completed it a couple of times with a SNES Emulator.

Yeah, the flying was pretty obnoxious, especially because the open sky was a fairly uninteresting area. I think they were going for something akin to the Great Sea in Wind Waker, but they just didn't make the sky nearly as fleshed out and interesting.

I did really like the Skyloft, Link's home town, though. Probably my friend Zelda town since Clocktown in Majora's Mask. And the areas beneath the clouds were really cool, in my opinion. I loved the feel of the desert area.

I'm a video game completist, so I can't rest until I find and do everything.

A Link to the Past is really good, and decently challenging, even on replays. I beat it every other year or so.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Davio on November 01, 2012, 01:02:49 pm
There was a Zelda marathon once in Holland where they played all the games (up to, but not yet including Skyward Sword) and tried to raise money for the Heart Foundation.

Was really cool to watch them play through the games and chat with them through their ustream (or something like that).
I hope they do it again next year.

Edit: I just found out they held another marathon a week ago, makes me very sad I missed it.  :'(
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Lekkit on November 01, 2012, 01:05:25 pm
We've done a few game marathons as well. None for charity, but all for the funsies. We haven't played the games in chronological order, or even one at a time, but it's still really fun to try to beat all the Final Fantasy games (this was just before FFXIII) in 4 days. You are pretty tired in the end.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Robz888 on November 01, 2012, 01:22:03 pm
We've done a few game marathons as well. None for charity, but all for the funsies. We haven't played the games in chronological order, or even one at a time, but it's still really fun to try to beat all the Final Fantasy games (this was just before FFXIII) in 4 days. You are pretty tired in the end.

I have mixed feelings about Final Fantasy. I never finished VII or VIII (which is odd for me), but I enjoyed them. I loved IX. X was very good. X-2 was meh. I disliked XII. I despised XIII.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: jsh357 on November 01, 2012, 01:28:13 pm
We've done a few game marathons as well. None for charity, but all for the funsies. We haven't played the games in chronological order, or even one at a time, but it's still really fun to try to beat all the Final Fantasy games (this was just before FFXIII) in 4 days. You are pretty tired in the end.

I have mixed feelings about Final Fantasy. I never finished VII or VIII (which is odd for me), but I enjoyed them. I loved IX. X was very good. X-2 was meh. I disliked XII. I despised XIII.

I am a long time fan of the series.  I love all of the first ten on some level, though they have their ups and downs.  After Sakaguchi and Uematsu left, the series became something completely different.  I like Final Fantasy XIII's new combat system a lot, but I hate MMOs and FFXII plays too much like a western RPG for my tastes.   Of course, one of the strengths of the series is that it is always willing to evolve for better or worse, so there is always hope for the next one. 
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Robz888 on November 01, 2012, 01:30:21 pm
I gave up on FFXIII after 3 straight hours of running down a hallway, and then rapidly pressing "auto-battle" during combat.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: dondon151 on November 01, 2012, 01:38:04 pm
I've mentioned it elsewhere on the forums, but I'm a HUGE fan of the Pokemon games. I've been playing for a long, long time and still love them as much as ever. I just got my copy of the new game (Black 2 and White 2 were just released in the US) and have been playing a ton this week. There is so much more to those games than most people realize.

As much as I love Pokemon, it is far too easy and Gamefreak never deviates from the tried and true formula of game design. Your goal is the same in every game, and to make matters worse, Pokemon has been becoming far more linear in every iteration of the game after gen I.

It's no coincidence that my favorite Pokemon game is Colosseum because the difficulty curve in that game is very high (actually a little too high). The only gripe that I have with Colosseum is that it forces you into the double battle format but doesn't give you very many tools at all that would be effective in the double battle format - having moves like Sunny Day, Rain Dance, Rock Slide, Surf, Icy Wind, etc. more available with more Pokemon that could learn Fake Out, Helping Hand, Earthquake, Eruption, Water Spout, etc. with synergistic double battle abilities would have been great, but alas...
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: jsh357 on November 01, 2012, 01:39:14 pm
I gave up on FFXIII after 3 straight hours of running down a hallway, and then rapidly pressing "auto-battle" during combat.

Once you get past the first few tutorial chapters, it really starts getting complex.  Probably has the most challenging combat in the entire series.  I'll concede that the beginning of the game is not very exciting, though.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Robz888 on November 01, 2012, 01:40:58 pm
Has anyone here played the Dynasty Warriors series? It's my guilty pleasure video game series, because I recognize that they are repetitive and highly flawed, and every subsequent installment after the 5th one has disappointed me with its gaping problems... but I still keep buying them.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Cuzz on November 01, 2012, 02:43:49 pm
I loved Skyward Sword, but I didn't like travelling in it, the senseless flying from A to B was very repetitive.
Didn't mind the boss fights that much.

Anyway, I always start the game like: "I'm gonna get every secret"
And halfway through: "Okay, I just wanna finish it"

"A Link to the Past" is the best for me and I've completed it a couple of times with a SNES Emulator.

Yeah, the flying was pretty obnoxious, especially because the open sky was a fairly uninteresting area. I think they were going for something akin to the Great Sea in Wind Waker, but they just didn't make the sky nearly as fleshed out and interesting.

I did really like the Skyloft, Link's home town, though. Probably my friend Zelda town since Clocktown in Majora's Mask. And the areas beneath the clouds were really cool, in my opinion. I loved the feel of the desert area.

I'm a video game completist, so I can't rest until I find and do everything.

A Link to the Past is really good, and decently challenging, even on replays. I beat it every other year or so.

I was really excited for Skyward Sword and beat it relatively quickly after it came out, but something just felt off about it to me. I love the Zelda series, but SS just didn't have the sense of an immersive world with lots to explore that most of the other games do. Everything just felt too directed and hand-holdy (Fi was almost enough to ruin the game on her own for me). In Ocarina for example, you have Navi vaguely bugging you about what to do next, but there's plenty of opportunity to say "screw off Navi, I'm gonna see what's over here instead." Or in Majora the mask-collecting is like an entire other optional game within the game. But in SS, there was hardly ever anything to do besides just "what's next."
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Toolshed113 on November 01, 2012, 03:34:39 pm
I have mixed feelings about Final Fantasy. I never finished VII or VIII (which is odd for me), but I enjoyed them. I loved IX. X was very good. X-2 was meh. I disliked XII. I despised XIII.

I love talking about FF games because everybody has a different opinion. My feelings of the games are rooted heavily in nostalgia. Since my gaming really started in the SNES era, VI and IV are my favs. IX and XII are close behind. I liked the lighthearted tone of those games and I feel they had really great battle systems. VII is good, but somewhat overrated. XIII was an interesting and well made game, but I feel that the game was hurt by a lack of NPCs to interact with (let alone the complete lack of towns). I don't really understand the "walking through a tunnel" complaint because one of the most popular games in the series (X) was almost as linear (there were just more diversions along the way). Don't even get me started about VIII. Hands down the worst game in the series, except for its music... "The Man with the Machine Gun" is probably the greatest battle theme ever written.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Robz888 on November 01, 2012, 03:38:32 pm
I loved Skyward Sword, but I didn't like travelling in it, the senseless flying from A to B was very repetitive.
Didn't mind the boss fights that much.

Anyway, I always start the game like: "I'm gonna get every secret"
And halfway through: "Okay, I just wanna finish it"

"A Link to the Past" is the best for me and I've completed it a couple of times with a SNES Emulator.

Yeah, the flying was pretty obnoxious, especially because the open sky was a fairly uninteresting area. I think they were going for something akin to the Great Sea in Wind Waker, but they just didn't make the sky nearly as fleshed out and interesting.

I did really like the Skyloft, Link's home town, though. Probably my friend Zelda town since Clocktown in Majora's Mask. And the areas beneath the clouds were really cool, in my opinion. I loved the feel of the desert area.

I'm a video game completist, so I can't rest until I find and do everything.

A Link to the Past is really good, and decently challenging, even on replays. I beat it every other year or so.

I was really excited for Skyward Sword and beat it relatively quickly after it came out, but something just felt off about it to me. I love the Zelda series, but SS just didn't have the sense of an immersive world with lots to explore that most of the other games do. Everything just felt too directed and hand-holdy (Fi was almost enough to ruin the game on her own for me). In Ocarina for example, you have Navi vaguely bugging you about what to do next, but there's plenty of opportunity to say "screw off Navi, I'm gonna see what's over here instead." Or in Majora the mask-collecting is like an entire other optional game within the game. But in SS, there was hardly ever anything to do besides just "what's next."

Well, Fi was awful. I also thought the story was too delayed, though it was good when it finally came through.

I felt fairly immersed in the desert, forest, and mountain areas though. I really liked the forlorn feeling of the desert, and the robots with whom you could only communicate if you traveled 100 years into the past.

But I do think OOT and MM are better, including for the reasons you mentioned.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Robz888 on November 01, 2012, 03:40:48 pm
I have mixed feelings about Final Fantasy. I never finished VII or VIII (which is odd for me), but I enjoyed them. I loved IX. X was very good. X-2 was meh. I disliked XII. I despised XIII.

I love talking about FF games because everybody has a different opinion. My feelings of the games are rooted heavily in nostalgia. Since my gaming really started in the SNES era, VI and IV are my favs. IX and XII are close behind. I liked the lighthearted tone of those games and I feel they had really great battle systems. VII is good, but somewhat overrated. XIII was an interesting and well made game, but I feel that the game was hurt by a lack of NPCs to interact with (let alone the complete lack of towns). I don't really understand the "walking through a tunnel" complaint because one of the most popular games in the series (X) was almost as linear (there were just more diversions along the way). Don't even get me started about VIII. Hands down the worst game in the series, except for its music... "The Man with the Machine Gun" is probably the greatest battle theme ever written.

Maybe I didn't give XIII enough of a chance, I was just so bored after the first 3 hours. X had me hooked, I guess, even though I understand the similarities you mentioned.

I really didn't like the combat system in XII, though I think I'm alone in that opinion. It was goofy running up to enemies and then having to wait to attack them. It did not combine turn-based combat and real-time combat in a sensible way, I thought. FFIX, on the other hand, did a great job with that, and with so many other things. Loved the characters, the world, the mini-games, the music, the feel of IX.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Cuzz on November 01, 2012, 03:42:42 pm
I loved Skyward Sword, but I didn't like travelling in it, the senseless flying from A to B was very repetitive.
Didn't mind the boss fights that much.

Anyway, I always start the game like: "I'm gonna get every secret"
And halfway through: "Okay, I just wanna finish it"

"A Link to the Past" is the best for me and I've completed it a couple of times with a SNES Emulator.

Yeah, the flying was pretty obnoxious, especially because the open sky was a fairly uninteresting area. I think they were going for something akin to the Great Sea in Wind Waker, but they just didn't make the sky nearly as fleshed out and interesting.

I did really like the Skyloft, Link's home town, though. Probably my friend Zelda town since Clocktown in Majora's Mask. And the areas beneath the clouds were really cool, in my opinion. I loved the feel of the desert area.

I'm a video game completist, so I can't rest until I find and do everything.

A Link to the Past is really good, and decently challenging, even on replays. I beat it every other year or so.

I was really excited for Skyward Sword and beat it relatively quickly after it came out, but something just felt off about it to me. I love the Zelda series, but SS just didn't have the sense of an immersive world with lots to explore that most of the other games do. Everything just felt too directed and hand-holdy (Fi was almost enough to ruin the game on her own for me). In Ocarina for example, you have Navi vaguely bugging you about what to do next, but there's plenty of opportunity to say "screw off Navi, I'm gonna see what's over here instead." Or in Majora the mask-collecting is like an entire other optional game within the game. But in SS, there was hardly ever anything to do besides just "what's next."

Well, Fi was awful. I also thought the story was too delayed, though it was good when it finally came through.

I felt fairly immersed in the desert, forest, and mountain areas though. I really liked the forlorn feeling of the desert, and the robots with whom you could only communicate if you traveled 100 years into the past.

But I do think OOT and MM are better, including for the reasons you mentioned.

Yeah, what was up with that? "We're gonna make the game that's chronologically the first in a timeline spanning millennia, and in that game we'll make constant references to a time centuries before that, in which they had freaking robots."
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Toolshed113 on November 01, 2012, 04:02:09 pm
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Yeah, what was up with that? "We're gonna make the game that's chronologically the first in a timeline spanning millennia, and in that game we'll make constant references to a time centuries before that, in which they had freaking robots."

To quote the Cybernetic Ghost of Christmas Past (from Aqua Teen)...

"Because now, in the future, the past has occurred."
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Robz888 on November 01, 2012, 04:04:54 pm
Well, I liked that. The robots were so cool! I gathered that the world was pretty cool and advanced, even in it's early life, before "evil" came in the form of Demise.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: eHalcyon on November 01, 2012, 04:06:06 pm
I've mentioned it elsewhere on the forums, but I'm a HUGE fan of the Pokemon games. I've been playing for a long, long time and still love them as much as ever. I just got my copy of the new game (Black 2 and White 2 were just released in the US) and have been playing a ton this week. There is so much more to those games than most people realize.

As much as I love Pokemon, it is far too easy and Gamefreak never deviates from the tried and true formula of game design. Your goal is the same in every game, and to make matters worse, Pokemon has been becoming far more linear in every iteration of the game after gen I.

It's no coincidence that my favorite Pokemon game is Colosseum because the difficulty curve in that game is very high (actually a little too high). The only gripe that I have with Colosseum is that it forces you into the double battle format but doesn't give you very many tools at all that would be effective in the double battle format - having moves like Sunny Day, Rain Dance, Rock Slide, Surf, Icy Wind, etc. more available with more Pokemon that could learn Fake Out, Helping Hand, Earthquake, Eruption, Water Spout, etc. with synergistic double battle abilities would have been great, but alas...

Maybe you'd like the meta game more then, i.e. simulators where you can create pokemon with IVs and EVs exactly as you'd like and you just battle others.  There is much more strategy in that than in the main series game.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Toolshed113 on November 01, 2012, 04:21:39 pm
I got pretty far into Skyward Sword (I think I had just beat the big sand ship thing) when my Wii died. After I got it fixed I had no desire to replay back to that point. It's been six months since then and I just last week decided to start up again, but my progress is slow. There's just something missing with this game that makes me not want to play it again (even though I enjoyed it my first time through). Twilight princess was the same for me, as I've only beaten it twice. This is coming from a huge Zelda fan. I've played through Ocarina at least 50 times and Wind Waker about 10.

I would agree with whoever mentioned Fi as a major source of problems for the game. She's so annoying. I also really wish they made the motion controls optional, though that would make the game far easier. Particularly in boss fights I have found myself cursing at the controls as I die because they were too unresponsive.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Robz888 on November 01, 2012, 04:24:11 pm
I got pretty far into Skyward Sword (I think I had just beat the big sand ship thing) when my Wii died. After I got it fixed I had no desire to replay back to that point. It's been six months since then and I just last week decided to start up again, but my progress is slow. There's just something missing with this game that makes me not want to play it again (even though I enjoyed it my first time through). Twilight princess was the same for me, as I've only beaten it twice. This is coming from a huge Zelda fan. I've played through Ocarina at least 50 times and Wind Waker about 10.

I would agree with whoever mentioned Fi as a major source of problems for the game. She's so annoying. I also really wish they made the motion controls optional, though that would make the game far easier. Particularly in boss fights I have found myself cursing at the controls as I die because they were too unresponsive.

Well, I'm a Zelda apologist. In my opinion, Skyward Sword is much better than Twilight Princess. I don't know if it's better than Wind Waker. It's certainly not better than OOT or MM.

I would encourage you to keep playing though. I found the post-Sandship phase of the game highly rewarding. A lot of the story is illogically delayed until the late game, but when it comes, it's fairly compelling.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Toolshed113 on November 01, 2012, 04:34:58 pm

Well, I'm a Zelda apologist. In my opinion, Skyward Sword is much better than Twilight Princess. I don't know if it's better than Wind Waker. It's certainly not better than OOT or MM.

I would encourage you to keep playing though. I found the post-Sandship phase of the game highly rewarding. A lot of the story is illogically delayed until the late game, but when it comes, it's fairly compelling.

I will agree that the dungeons got better and better as the game went on, unlike in Twilight Princess which seemed to peak around the middle and get worse as the game went on. I thought the sky temple, twilight temple, and Ganon's palace were pretty lame. The final phase of the Ganon fight though... Man that was great. So was Wind Waker's.

Interestingly, even though MM is one of my favorite Zeldas, I realized it is one that I have replayed very few times. Instead of replaying, I would fire up my 100% file and mess around with the masks. The fierce diety mask glitch where you can run around the world in super form was pretty sweet.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Robz888 on November 01, 2012, 04:38:21 pm

Well, I'm a Zelda apologist. In my opinion, Skyward Sword is much better than Twilight Princess. I don't know if it's better than Wind Waker. It's certainly not better than OOT or MM.

I would encourage you to keep playing though. I found the post-Sandship phase of the game highly rewarding. A lot of the story is illogically delayed until the late game, but when it comes, it's fairly compelling.

I will agree that the dungeons got better and better as the game went on, unlike in Twilight Princess which seemed to peak around the middle and get worse as the game went on. I thought the sky temple, twilight temple, and Ganon's palace were pretty lame. The final phase of the Ganon fight though... Man that was great. So was Wind Waker's.

Interestingly, even though MM is one of my favorite Zeldas, I realized it is one that I have replayed very few times. Instead of replaying, I would fire up my 100% file and mess around with the masks. The fierce diety mask glitch where you can run around the world in super form was pretty sweet.

In TP, I liked the Sky dungeon, but Zant and Ganon's respective strongholds were fairly tedious. So I agree with you. The Temple of Time and the Snowpeak Ruins were absolutely the best.

IN SS, there are two more dungeons after the Sandship, and they are both really awesome. The final dungeon is extremely unique.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Toolshed113 on November 01, 2012, 04:41:41 pm
Now, there hasn't been a good handheld Zelda since Minish Cap...
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Dsell on November 01, 2012, 05:05:35 pm
I've mentioned it elsewhere on the forums, but I'm a HUGE fan of the Pokemon games. I've been playing for a long, long time and still love them as much as ever. I just got my copy of the new game (Black 2 and White 2 were just released in the US) and have been playing a ton this week. There is so much more to those games than most people realize.

As much as I love Pokemon, it is far too easy and Gamefreak never deviates from the tried and true formula of game design. Your goal is the same in every game, and to make matters worse, Pokemon has been becoming far more linear in every iteration of the game after gen I.

It's no coincidence that my favorite Pokemon game is Colosseum because the difficulty curve in that game is very high (actually a little too high). The only gripe that I have with Colosseum is that it forces you into the double battle format but doesn't give you very many tools at all that would be effective in the double battle format - having moves like Sunny Day, Rain Dance, Rock Slide, Surf, Icy Wind, etc. more available with more Pokemon that could learn Fake Out, Helping Hand, Earthquake, Eruption, Water Spout, etc. with synergistic double battle abilities would have been great, but alas...

Maybe you'd like the meta game more then, i.e. simulators where you can create pokemon with IVs and EVs exactly as you'd like and you just battle others.  There is much more strategy in that than in the main series game.

Yep yep yep. This was my obsession a while before I found Dominion.

Getting through the game is a piece of cake. A lot of fun, but a piece of cake. But the online simulators and the "extra-game" features on the newer games (like battle subway for Black and White) are quite strategically deep. The Battle Subway is especially tough because you actually have to breed for these perfect pokemon, which usually takes a lot of time and planning. But if your pokemon aren't fairly perfected, you're not gonna do that well at later levels.

But yeah, the online implementation is really the purest form of pokemon meta battling.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Lekkit on November 01, 2012, 06:21:55 pm
I was never really good at those online Pokémon thingies. I won a bunch, it's not that. But I could not compete with the really good players with the really good teams, as I refused to play with the "standard" monsters. Most of my friends are the same. It's always fun to see a Murkrow kill an entire Ubers team by himself.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: eHalcyon on November 01, 2012, 06:35:18 pm
I was never really good at those online Pokémon thingies. I won a bunch, it's not that. But I could not compete with the really good players with the really good teams, as I refused to play with the "standard" monsters. Most of my friends are the same. It's always fun to see a Murkrow kill an entire Ubers team by himself.

Purely from design, some pokemon are stronger than others.  That's why the community has come up with tiers.  It's pretty interesting, and sometimes unconventional things CAN break through.

There are also some really interesting cases.  Shedinja is a pokemon with an ability that prevents all damage from attacks except for super-effective damage.  It only has 1hp ever, so a single effective hit will kill it.  The funny thing is that it is absolutely useless at most tiers but can be effective in the Uber tier, because some of the biggest threats in that tier have nothing that would damage it.

You can also find hilarious strategies like the FEAR-ratata. :)
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Lekkit on November 01, 2012, 08:27:11 pm
eHal, dont get me wrong. Im a total Pokemon Geek. Ive spent hours and hours on breeding and training and grinding and pokeradaring and laddering on Pokemon Online. I just prefer to use an Oblivious Quagsire as a wall over a Blissey. I used Scizor a LOT before he got Bullet Punch. But Ive never used a Garchomp.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: ConMan on November 01, 2012, 08:32:37 pm
Now, there hasn't been a good handheld Zelda since Minish Cap...
I found Phantom Glass to be not-terrible and Spirit Tracks to be moderately-better, but I can also be annoying and point out Ocarina of Time 3DS (which I just finished, and will come back to for Master Quest later) :P
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: popsofctown on November 02, 2012, 12:09:35 am
FFTA the bess FF
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: eHalcyon on November 02, 2012, 01:16:33 am
eHal, dont get me wrong. Im a total Pokemon Geek. Ive spent hours and hours on breeding and training and grinding and pokeradaring and laddering on Pokemon Online. I just prefer to use an Oblivious Quagsire as a wall over a Blissey. I used Scizor a LOT before he got Bullet Punch. But Ive never used a Garchomp.

The solution then is to play in UU or NU or maybe even BL or LC tiers. :)
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: dondon151 on November 02, 2012, 02:04:35 am
Maybe you'd like the meta game more then, i.e. simulators where you can create pokemon with IVs and EVs exactly as you'd like and you just battle others.  There is much more strategy in that than in the main series game.

I've probably played online Pokemon simulators before any of you guys have. I was a pretty good battler back in gen 3 (when the simulator of choice was Netbattle or RSbot), but gen 4 and gen 5 did not strike my fancy. There are too damn many Pokemon and the strategy space is just so much more confined. It used to be that you could feasibly prepare for every threat if you were smart, but now that is no longer possible and every now and then you'll come across that Pokemon that you were completely unprepared for.

(I get the impression that Gamefreak doesn't care about balance anymore either: things like the Stealth Rock damage formula, the absence of Rapid Spin analogs, Drizzle Politoed, ubiquitous Draco Meteor and Outrage, Normal types being comparatively useless, and so on. Those things made the metagame a lot less enjoyable. Plus the power creep in gen 5 is absolutely huge; I was pretty surprised when gen 3 OU staples like Swampert, Snorlax, and Zapdos dropped down to UU.)

Getting through the game is a piece of cake. A lot of fun, but a piece of cake. But the online simulators and the "extra-game" features on the newer games (like battle subway for Black and White) are quite strategically deep. The Battle Subway is especially tough because you actually have to breed for these perfect pokemon, which usually takes a lot of time and planning. But if your pokemon aren't fairly perfected, you're not gonna do that well at later levels.

I cannot afford to waste hours upon hours of time on Pokemon post-game content, and it just doesn't feel the same when you beat an AI.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Titandrake on November 02, 2012, 02:16:14 am
FFTA the bess FF

Played that a ton a while ago. It's kinda easy, but it's still pretty satisfying. I couldn't get into the original FFT, maybe because I didn't really understand the game's system as well, so I couldn't get as into the character building.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Ozle on November 02, 2012, 05:30:31 am
Ultima 5 possibly the greatest game ever if you are old enough to have played it first time round

A proper open game that you could go anywhere at any point if you were brave enough!

Which then moved over into Ultima Online

If you missed UO in the MMORPG craze, late 90's early 2000's then you missed the best MMORPG
Sure WOW has pretty graphics, a million shinies and stuff. But UO was so free and open you had entire communities form in game!
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Lekkit on November 02, 2012, 05:36:17 am
The solution then is to play in UU or NU or maybe even BL or LC tiers. :)

LC is stupid. While I like the idea of small guys battling, the stats matters too much. 1 point makes sooo much difference. I've tried UU and NU, but didn't really like it. I've done some extensive Uber battling, but there's just not enough players there for me. I get tired of battling the same team over and over and over and over again. But it's actually the tier I like the most. But I'll probably mainly keep doing OU battles.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Toolshed113 on November 02, 2012, 08:26:44 am
I found Phantom Glass to be not-terrible and Spirit Tracks to be moderately-better, but I can also be annoying and point out Ocarina of Time 3DS (which I just finished, and will come back to for Master Quest later) :P

I really didn't like either DS Zelda game, and OOT 3DS doesn't count. :P Master quest has ruined OOT for me forever though. I used to play through that game about once every 3 months or so, but I finally finished a master quest playthrough about a year ago and haven't touched the game since. The master quest spirit and shadow temples were too frustrating.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: jsh357 on November 02, 2012, 08:45:17 am
dondon: afraid I have you beat.  I played online Pokemon back in gen 2 when it was all on irc, then netbattle.  I quit partially for the same reasons as lekkit, but also because a lot of competitive Pokemon players are really vulgar people.  frequent n word use, using 'gay' to mean bad, etc.  even today, you see it on smogon and such.  at any rate, Pokemon's mechanics grow stale after a while.  I'm convinced game freak has no idea how to balance the game and the fact that it ever worked competitively was a coincidence.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Toolshed113 on November 02, 2012, 09:09:06 am
I quit partially for the same reasons as lekkit, but also because a lot of competitive Pokemon players are really vulgar people.

Never, ever, ever play DOTA then. Worst gaming community I have ever seen. That game destroys friendships. My best friend is really into it and tried to get me to play. When I finally did, my suckage lost us games and you would have thought I was causing the downfall of western civilization. Needless to say I refuse to play anymore. The whole community is a cesspool of the worst qualities in gamers.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Lekkit on November 02, 2012, 09:30:09 am
That is true for most of the eSports scene. The top players tend to be relatively nice though. It's the ones that are playing from their mothers' basements and think they are super good that are really vile. Just look at "serious" FPS-players.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Toolshed113 on November 02, 2012, 09:38:38 am
Yeah, I suppose that is true. There's something extra angry about DOTA, though. I played all sorts of competitive/cooperative games with my friend for years and I never saw him get angry like that. There's something about DOTA that makes everybody feel like they're the best player in the world. It really doesn't help that the difficulty curve is very high and that the game requires a ton of team coordination. It can't be fun to expect teamwork from random public games. My friend wouldn't even apologize for being an ass. "That's just how DOTA is" was his response. F that game.

Revenge is sweet. I kick his ass at Dominion.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Lekkit on November 02, 2012, 10:03:02 am
You may be right. I've tried DotA a few times, back when I was really into custom maps for WCIII. People always bashed on me, I thought it was because I was new at the game, and didn't really know how to play. Some actually gave me advice on how to improve, but after four or five games, I got fed up. Not only with the players, but mainly with the game itself. I didn't really like it.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Grujah on November 02, 2012, 10:23:32 am
You noobs just suck, DotA is awesome.


(no really, I was never much good at it, but I pretty much like the game.  :))
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Toolshed113 on November 02, 2012, 10:52:30 am
That's the sad part. I really like the game. I bet it would be really fun in a group of friends playing casually. The eSport aspect of the community just really makes it suck. Maybe we could get some friendly forum Dota 2 matches going...
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: dondon151 on November 02, 2012, 10:59:54 am
dondon: afraid I have you beat.  I played online Pokemon back in gen 2 when it was all on irc, then netbattle.

Damn, well I've still played earlier than anyone else :D I heard gen 2 had an excruciating metagame, though.

Gen 5 UU actually looks fairly solid. It's interesting how a lot of the Pokemon in that tier were OU in gen 3.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: jsh357 on November 02, 2012, 11:10:06 am
Yeah, SkarmBliss, Curselax, and Toxic/Spike/Sandstorm teams were completely dominant in Gen 2.

On the bright side, this was before EV training was a thing, which made playing the actual game the most irritating thing in the world.  I'm not really against the mechanic in concept, but man, there was a charm to just picking a team, picking their movies, and playing.  The games are too tedious to enjoy at a competitive level for me now.  (However, Gen 5 was easily the best single player game of them all so far)
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: eHalcyon on November 02, 2012, 12:50:05 pm
@dondon, I like it more after gen IV because the physical special split was cool. I have been playing since Red/Blue, but actually never competitively. I enjoy reading the theory though.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: eHalcyon on November 02, 2012, 12:52:33 pm
That's the sad part. I really like the game. I bet it would be really fun in a group of friends playing casually. The eSport aspect of the community just really makes it suck. Maybe we could get some friendly forum Dota 2 matches going...

Maybe try League of Legends? Riot is very active in doing what they can to improve community behaviour.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Toolshed113 on November 02, 2012, 01:18:34 pm
Maybe try League of Legends? Riot is very active in doing what they can to improve community behaviour.

Oh man, if i did that I would never hear the end of it from my DotA friends.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: shark_bait on November 02, 2012, 01:41:55 pm
LoL also has a much lower learning curve than Dota.... and what eHalcyon said, Riot wants to be known for having a respectable community that is positive and respectful to other players.  They have been improving this significantly lately by removing toxic players and initiating an honor program based entirely off of player feedback/reporting.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Titandrake on November 02, 2012, 02:46:41 pm
...except the honor system doesn't really work because some people get honor that really shouldn't.
The standard joke is that people went from "YOU GUYS SUCK AHAHHAHAHAHA" to "YOU GUYS SUCK GIVE ME HONOR". I'm sure that it works a bit, but it really doesn't seem to matter that much.

Still, it's helpful to play with other new players/bots, and if you can get friends to help you that won't be jerkish, then it can work out.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Toolshed113 on November 02, 2012, 04:50:33 pm
I didn't mean to turn this into a DotA topic. Anybody played any recent mmorpgs? I was thinking of trying Guild Wars 2 out. I was also a hardcore FFXI player (get your laughs out now), so I'm actually looking forward to this reboot of FFXIV. That game was so terrible when it launched...
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Drab Emordnilap on November 02, 2012, 05:28:57 pm
I never play video games any more. Well, I just finished Saint's Row 3, and that was pretty hilarious, and long as you don't expect maturity from your games. I literally laughed out loud when I got trapped inside the text adventure. I wouldn't mind playing some co-op if someone else happens to have it for the Xbox.

Or Left 4 Dead 2 (for Xbox). I don't get to play that enough with people who actually talk.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Saucery on November 03, 2012, 12:29:17 am
I don't get why people rage on my team in Dota or HoN. I mean I do, because a lot of the win/loss comes down to your team as a whole, but all it does is make you and your team play worse.

I didn't mean to turn this into a DotA topic. Anybody played any recent mmorpgs? I was thinking of trying Guild Wars 2 out. I was also a hardcore FFXI player (get your laughs out now), so I'm actually looking forward to this reboot of FFXIV. That game was so terrible when it launched...

I recently played GW2 and even more recently stopped. GW2 levelling is great, there's no griefing, ganking, or competing for stuff. The quests flow from area to area and there's a lot of jump puzzles and mini fun things to do. The problem is when you reach 80. It'll take a short while to get the best gear, then there's basically no further progression. Pretty much the only things to do at max level are achievements, PvP/World vs World, or 5 man dungeons, and after a certain point the rewards are only cosmetic.

For my money WoW has the best endgame by far, but I've long since gotten sick of raiding. So no more mmos for me [unless they make a Pokemon MMO with real time battles  ;D]
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: O on November 03, 2012, 04:30:51 am
I used to play Runescape, and compared to that Riot's community and customer interactions are magically handled. They really do try.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: theory on November 06, 2012, 05:29:29 pm
It happened with League of Legends, and now it's happening with Halo 4!

(http://i.qkme.me/3ro180.jpg)
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Captain_Frisk on November 06, 2012, 05:30:26 pm
It happened with League of Legends, and now it's happening with Halo 4!

(http://i.qkme.me/3ro180.jpg)

You might be in for a bad day.  What's the ratio about 950 Halos to one DXV?
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Grujah on November 06, 2012, 05:32:23 pm
what's a google alert?
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: theory on November 06, 2012, 05:34:22 pm
I envision a ton of Halo search results soon.  See, for example, this touching infographic (http://www.bungie.net/stats/reach/online.aspx) Bungie made as a farewell to Halo.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: theory on November 06, 2012, 05:34:51 pm
what's a google alert?

You can set up an alert for Google to email you whenever it finds a new search result for "___".  I have ones set up for DS, TS, my name, etc.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Ozle on November 06, 2012, 05:38:03 pm
Quick, make a short cut link to the main page and call it 'Not Halo' and we'll all click it tousands of times!

Googlebombing still works right?
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on November 06, 2012, 10:30:23 pm
-snip-

You might be in for a bad day.  What's the ratio about 950 Halos to one DXV?
I think the ratio DXV: theory's name would be much more interesting to know.

VOTE: SFS for fame fishing.
inb4 Robz

Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: dondon151 on November 09, 2012, 01:47:43 pm
Yeah, SkarmBliss, Curselax, and Toxic/Spike/Sandstorm teams were completely dominant in Gen 2.

I blame the entire thing on Sleep Talk being able to pick Rest.

On the bright side, this was before EV training was a thing, which made playing the actual game the most irritating thing in the world.  I'm not really against the mechanic in concept, but man, there was a charm to just picking a team, picking their movies, and playing.  The games are too tedious to enjoy at a competitive level for me now.  (However, Gen 5 was easily the best single player game of them all so far)

I don't know, EVs are not that tedious to train up in-game, especially when compared to breeding for perfect IVs. They've made all of that slightly easier through the years, but the most tedious introduction was the need to both breed for IVs and nature, when often there was only 1 nature out of 25 possible that you wanted, plus 31's in every IV.

I'd argue that grinding up Stat EXP was more tedious than EV training. EV training you can finish off before a Pokemon reaches L30 (or actually, before L5 if you really tried), whereas you could potentially not have maxed out Stat EXP until long after a Pokemon reaches L100.

@dondon, I like it more after gen IV because the physical special split was cool. I have been playing since Red/Blue, but actually never competitively. I enjoy reading the theory though.

Indeed it was cool, and it was something that I wish that they had in gen 3 because it would have made a lot more Pokemon viable - especially Dark and Fire types - and it would have hampered the stall-ish nature of the metagame, but Stealth Rock did exactly the opposite. The power creep in the introduction of stronger attacks and new Pokemon made it so that it was much harder to be prepared for everything, so some matchups would just come down to luck.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on November 10, 2012, 03:06:10 pm
I downloaded The Unfinished Swan (for PS3) today from the Playstation Store, and have played about 20 minutes (to the first autosave).  It's starkly beautiful, and a completely new twist on a tried and true mechanic (FPS), though the notion of "shooter" is sort of misleading, as you aren't trying to kill anything, just define your world using a paint gun. It was $15, and I've already gotten $15 worth of value out of it.  It's very easy to play, and the learning curve is about 10 seconds.

The launch trailer is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA6KMMhnJCQ
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Kuildeous on November 12, 2012, 08:59:34 am
I downloaded The Unfinished Swan (for PS3) today from the Playstation Store, and have played about 20 minutes (to the first autosave). 

This sounds most intriguing. We just got a new PS3 this weekend, so getting this through the store is a distinct possibility. My wife gets vertigo, which is why she doesn't play FPS. Knowing that she can't play Team Fortress or Halo, how does the Unfinished Swan compare in terms of first-person immersion?

Though I may just buy it for myself and see if it's something that she can handle.

Getting the PS3 also means we now have Assassin's Creed 3. This has motivated me to start playing AC2. It's been three months since I played that POS Assassin's Creed, so I figured the rage has dissipated. Although, it's slowly coming back when the tutorials for AC2 don't tell you which button to press. It just says to press the feet or head button. Yeah, that's great, but I just started this so I don't instantly remember which key is assigned to what. Tell me the freakin' key to press, you choad.

I've been told that AC2's gameplay is far better than the first one, which is why I'm willing to give this a shot.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on November 12, 2012, 12:43:43 pm
I downloaded The Unfinished Swan (for PS3) today from the Playstation Store, and have played about 20 minutes (to the first autosave). 

This sounds most intriguing. We just got a new PS3 this weekend, so getting this through the store is a distinct possibility. My wife gets vertigo, which is why she doesn't play FPS. Knowing that she can't play Team Fortress or Halo, how does the Unfinished Swan compare in terms of first-person immersion?

-snip-
Tell me the freakin' key to press, you choad.
-snip-
+1 for choad, and +1 for the acknowledging the stupidity dis-functionality of their omission.

I can't speak to vertigo, which in the strict medical sense is a feeling of motion when one is stationary.  But I too cannot play FPS, because they make me seasick, and the two maladies are bound to be related, regardless of the proper terms of art.  FULL DISCLOSURE:  Unfinished Swan is making me sick too, but please read on, as there are MANY factors that may potentially mitigate this issue for your wife.

The game is not a true FPS, though the perspective is definitely first person. First, you are not taking fire from an enemy (there is no enemy).  Therefore, (at least up to where I currently am) there are no pressures regarding time/movement/life points, so you have the option of moving slowly. I suspect if I played it more slowly, I would not be affected as much. Also, movement through the landscape is often (though not always) linear, through hallways, etc, so the amount of turning your "head" to look around is reduced compared to the few FPS I've tried (Call of Duty and Uncharted are the only ones that come to mind).  The "shooting" part is a bit of a misnomer, as you don't see a gun barrel.  What you see is a very small circular reticle, and when you "fire", you see a black paintball leave your vicinity headed toward the "target".  It splashes paint on whatever it was aimed at, and from that you begin to get info into your surroundings.  It is basically an exploration game, but not in the sense of Zelda.

I think the game would be worth a try, both for your wife (given the above) and for you.  It's a lot less expensive ($14.99 US) than a lot of games. (I felt like I got that much value in the first 20 minutes, even if I had let it go at that point.)  The concept is completely fresh (which is hard to do).  The artwork is stunning, and keeps getting better.  The instruction manual was essentially one page (with no hanging choads). I am now about 45 minutes in, just past the 3rd autosave.  The artwork keeps getting more expansive (I've reached my first long distance vista, and WOW).  Apparently, as gamestate challenges are added, other artwork cues are added to help reduce the painting burden (for instance, shadows are now being supplied).

Finally: I am not a doctor, and am not giving medical advice, but I have found that meclizine, the active ingredient in the anti-seasickness med Bonine (TM) helps me a great deal with the seasick thing.  It's available over-the-counter, and is really inexpensive (don't pay for the brand name stuff it's hideously expensive).  I think a bottle of 100 tablets cost me about six bucks - ask the pharmacist directly.  I keep it around mostly for diving boats, but I took a dose before playing the game the second time and it helped.



Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: theory on November 12, 2012, 12:58:37 pm
I got nauseated playing Half Life 2.  Upon further investigation, it had to do with a field of view set too narrow.

Here's an article on the subject: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_207/6197-Wired-Differently
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Davio on November 13, 2012, 02:28:03 am
I got nauseated playing Half Life 2.  Upon further investigation, it had to do with a field of view set too narrow.

Here's an article on the subject: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_207/6197-Wired-Differently
I remember that, and increasing my FoV settings accordingly made it much more playable.

I love the Professor Layton series on the DS, but unfortunately the new ones are only coming out for the 3DS.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Lekkit on November 13, 2012, 02:35:06 am
I got a 3DS just for the Layton games, Phoenix Wright 5, Castlevania and Fire Emblem.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Jorbles on November 14, 2012, 03:19:10 pm
I got nauseated playing Half Life 2.  Upon further investigation, it had to do with a field of view set too narrow.

Here's an article on the subject: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_207/6197-Wired-Differently

Whoa this totally happened to me to. I may retry it now that I know it can be fixed.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Davio on November 14, 2012, 03:55:37 pm
I got nauseated playing Half Life 2.  Upon further investigation, it had to do with a field of view set too narrow.

Here's an article on the subject: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_207/6197-Wired-Differently

Whoa this totally happened to me to. I may retry it now that I know it can be fixed.
Here is some info about it: https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Field_of_View (https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Field_of_View)

Funny enough, they consider changing the FOV a cheat, even for singleplayer, so you have to switch on cheatmode first.  :)
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: dondon151 on November 14, 2012, 04:03:45 pm
I got a 3DS just for the Layton games, Phoenix Wright 5, Castlevania and Fire Emblem.

I am excited for Awakening, but I don't think I will get a 3DS.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Lekkit on November 16, 2012, 02:41:10 am
It's a handheld FE. Of course you need to get a 3DS for that. ;)
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: dondon151 on November 19, 2012, 01:47:18 am
Of course. I'm just saying that I'm excited for a game that I won't get.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Toolshed113 on November 20, 2012, 01:08:13 pm
I bought a vita just for the Persona 4 remake...
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Tables on November 23, 2012, 10:15:12 pm
I got a 3DS just for the Layton games, Phoenix Wright 5, Castlevania and Fire Emblem.

Oh hey another Fire Emblem fan. I do find it kinda amusing that two of my favourite games are Fire Emblem and Dominion, and there's someone here who also likes both, except he's one of the best in the world at both of them (well, certainly well beyond me, at least).
I managed to pick up an as-new 3DS a month or two back, but haven't gotten any games yet. Fire Emblem was the main thing that made me decide to get it, but I also intend to pick up OoT3D, Paper Mario, Mario 3D Land, possibly NSMB2, and one or two other games at some point.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Titandrake on November 23, 2012, 11:29:32 pm
I'm very late to this party, but
1. Portal and Portal 2 are really good
2. Portal 2 is on sale for $5, ending in ~12 hours.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Dsell on November 24, 2012, 12:36:35 am
I'm very late to this party, but
1. Portal and Portal 2 are really good
2. Portal 2 is on sale for $5, ending in ~12 hours.

Where is Portal 2 on sale?
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Dsell on November 24, 2012, 12:37:34 am
I'm very late to this party, but
1. Portal and Portal 2 are really good
2. Portal 2 is on sale for $5, ending in ~12 hours.

Where is Portal 2 on sale?

Nvm, found it on Steam.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Lekkit on November 24, 2012, 08:31:21 am
I managed to pick up an as-new 3DS a month or two back, but haven't gotten any games yet. Fire Emblem was the main thing that made me decide to get it, but I also intend to pick up OoT3D, Paper Mario, Mario 3D Land, possibly NSMB2, and one or two other games at some point.

You should probably check out the Ghost Recon game that was released along with 3DS. I've played it a bit, and it plays somewhat like Fire Emblem. It's not as good, but it's still a fun turn based tactic game.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Morgrim7 on November 25, 2012, 07:19:31 am
Any of you on POTCO?
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: popsofctown on November 26, 2012, 01:34:56 pm
So I guess this is the most fitting place to post:

I've been playing lots of free/bootleg MTG using the free program Cockatrice lately.  I usually was bored to various extents by Standard (like, it's fun to play netdecks when you are at a physical store and there are packs on the line, but virtually it can be kinda dull), but lately I've been playing a growing format called EDH (there's a super casual version and a competitive tightwad version, I play the latter) that's lots of fun.  You only play one copy of each card, a hundred card deck, and you have a higher starting life total.  There's lots of brewing, and lots of interesting play decisions too.

If anyone wants to check it out let me know.  Or even if you want to play a different format, that's cool, I'm game.
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Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Kuildeous on November 27, 2012, 09:29:32 am
I'm a bit slow in getting games, but I finally downloaded the demo for Orcs Must Die based on recommendations here. I enjoyed it enough to purchase the package (the fact that Steam had a 75% discount helped too).

Definitely a fun little game that is cutting dangerously into my Assassin's Creed 2 time now that I've overcome my Assassin's Creed rage. Although, AC2 also makes me rage a little ("No, you idiot, don't climb the wall; hit the guy that's beating the shit out of you. Goddammit, now I can't see what's going on because the camera moved behind a curtain. You better still be alive when I can see you again."), so Orcs Must Die provides a pleasant distraction. I just need to get better at it so I can get more skulls. I was able to rock the first three levels, but I now find myself only getting 2 skulls a level. I figure I can go back to those after I unlock more abilities. Maybe that's the intent? Don't know.

I did have my first run-in with an Ogre. Not getting close to one of those guys any time soon.

The fact that the main character is such a douchebag is a nice touch.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Mecherath on November 27, 2012, 09:36:32 am
Orcs Must Die is great.  I made it a personal goal to 5-skull the levels my first time through.  There's a harder difficulty level after, for when you have all weapons unlocked.  Unlike most Tower-Defense games, there is no scoring incentive to end the level with extra money.  So spend it all!  You'll get 4 skulls if no bad guys get through, and then the 5th skull is based on a time limit.  So you want to be fast, but there's no need to be frugal.

I just installed Assassins's Creed 2 last night, and plan to play that when I'm not spending all my time in Guild Wars 2.  MMOs man... why can't I quit you?
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: () | (_) ^/ on November 27, 2012, 12:33:11 pm
I'm a bit slow in getting games, but I finally downloaded the demo for Orcs Must Die based on recommendations here. I enjoyed it enough to purchase the package (the fact that Steam had a 75% discount helped too).

Definitely a fun little game that is cutting dangerously into my Assassin's Creed 2 time now that I've overcome my Assassin's Creed rage. Although, AC2 also makes me rage a little ("No, you idiot, don't climb the wall; hit the guy that's beating the shit out of you. Goddammit, now I can't see what's going on because the camera moved behind a curtain. You better still be alive when I can see you again."), so Orcs Must Die provides a pleasant distraction. I just need to get better at it so I can get more skulls. I was able to rock the first three levels, but I now find myself only getting 2 skulls a level. I figure I can go back to those after I unlock more abilities. Maybe that's the intent? Don't know.

I did have my first run-in with an Ogre. Not getting close to one of those guys any time soon.

The fact that the main character is such a douchebag is a nice touch.

When I played through OMD the first time, I played the Apprentice level of difficulty first, which on the one hand limits you to a max of 2 skulls per level, but on the other allows you to get access to all of the new traps/weapons/spells.  After Apprentice, I went through Warmage and Nightmare levels, tons and tons of fun.

Then I went back and played through OMD again with a new, clean character, and was able to 5-skull all of the Warmage levels without the unlocks of future levels.  So it IS doable, but I couldn't have done it that first time through.

OMD is such a blast.  Good luck with those Ogres -- just wait until you meet fire/ice/armored versions.  :-X
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: theory on November 27, 2012, 01:25:03 pm
OMD2's coop mode is great, but I really wish you didn't have such limited numbers of slots.

Also, I've gotten to the point where I have so many skulls but nothing to spend them on.  Can't I convert them into coins for the levels?
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: () | (_) ^/ on November 27, 2012, 01:43:23 pm
OMD2's coop mode is great, but I really wish you didn't have such limited numbers of slots.

Also, I've gotten to the point where I have so many skulls but nothing to spend them on.  Can't I convert them into coins for the levels?

Point #2 is one of the very few downsides to OMD2 over OMD.  In OMD, I loved that maxing out all skulls from top-performance in EACH level was the only way to max out all traps/spells/weapons.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Kuildeous on December 05, 2012, 12:13:16 am
All right, it's official. I hate the Assassin's Creed series. I suffered the first one only because a friend of mine said the second one is so much better. Fine, I can endure a little ennui to get to something interesting. I was so disappointed with the first one that I put the game on hiatus for a few months. When my gamer rage settled (thanks to some very fun Team Fortress 2 and XCom), I started up part 2.

Hey, the gameplay was better. Well, mostly. At least I was able to walk past guards without needing to slow to a crawl. Fighting is still awkward, though, and I found myself leaping at walls during combat. Whatever. I can overcome that with good armor and medicine.

Now I'm at a point (http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/398784-Assassin-Creed-II-Altair-memory-mission-help-Forums) where I just can't progress. I guess it's doable, but someone took 20 minutes to get through that. Forget that. It's not worth my time and effort to try to time buttons just right. So now I am shelving that game. That's too bad, because the new PS3 we got came with Assassin's Creed 3. I hate to think we bought the more expensive version just to get a game that I'll probably have to give away. AC2 has been an utter disappointment for me, and it showed such promise. I don't think I can bring myself to play AC3 and risk further disappointment...not to mention I won't know what happened at the end of 2. I guess that kind of letdown really bums me out. I could have been playing Orcs Must Die instead.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Ozle on December 05, 2012, 04:35:23 am
Why are you all not playing Baldurs Gate Enhanced?!
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Kuildeous on December 05, 2012, 08:28:36 am
Why are you all not playing Baldurs Gate Enhanced?!

I didn't get into the first Baldur's Gate. I tried, but it just didn't do it for me.

How is Enhanced so…enhanced?
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Ozle on December 05, 2012, 08:31:26 am
Enhanced/Modernised/Able to fit on a tablet.

With a couple of new quest areas and characters and updated engine.

its out on the PC, but im waiting for it on Ipad before I buy it and can tell you more

But if you were not into it first time (Heathen!!) then probably not enoguh changed for second run through
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: theory on December 05, 2012, 09:34:31 am
All right, it's official. I hate the Assassin's Creed series. I suffered the first one only because a friend of mine said the second one is so much better. Fine, I can endure a little ennui to get to something interesting. I was so disappointed with the first one that I put the game on hiatus for a few months. When my gamer rage settled (thanks to some very fun Team Fortress 2 and XCom), I started up part 2.

Hey, the gameplay was better. Well, mostly. At least I was able to walk past guards without needing to slow to a crawl. Fighting is still awkward, though, and I found myself leaping at walls during combat. Whatever. I can overcome that with good armor and medicine.

Now I'm at a point (http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/398784-Assassin-Creed-II-Altair-memory-mission-help-Forums) where I just can't progress. I guess it's doable, but someone took 20 minutes to get through that. Forget that. It's not worth my time and effort to try to time buttons just right. So now I am shelving that game. That's too bad, because the new PS3 we got came with Assassin's Creed 3. I hate to think we bought the more expensive version just to get a game that I'll probably have to give away. AC2 has been an utter disappointment for me, and it showed such promise. I don't think I can bring myself to play AC3 and risk further disappointment...not to mention I won't know what happened at the end of 2. I guess that kind of letdown really bums me out. I could have been playing Orcs Must Die instead.

You might like these videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C70wWScZWgo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfRB57_BDMU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZimXBB3gUQ
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Kuildeous on December 05, 2012, 10:28:56 am
But if you were not into it first time (Heathen!!) then probably not enoguh changed for second run through

Well, Baldur's Gate did come out at a time when I realized that D&D was actually a pretty crummy RPG back then.

Because of my anti-D&D kick, I also missed out on Planescape: Torment when it came out, but I made up for that through GOG.com. Torment was cool by virtue that the D&D rules were thrown out the window for the most part.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Toolshed113 on December 05, 2012, 10:42:59 am
In TP, I liked the Sky dungeon, but Zant and Ganon's respective strongholds were fairly tedious. So I agree with you. The Temple of Time and the Snowpeak Ruins were absolutely the best.

IN SS, there are two more dungeons after the Sandship, and they are both really awesome. The final dungeon is extremely unique.

I'm just now getting around to beating SS, and I have to say the second fire temple was pretty awesome. The Song of the Hero parts were pretty meh, though, with the exception of the Thunder Dragon part. That was fun. I'm really looking forward to the last dungeon which I should be beating tonight.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Voltgloss on December 05, 2012, 03:22:02 pm
I'm ridiculously late to the party in this topic.  First, a quick list of games I've seen mentioned in here that I have on my own list of faves (in the order they were mentioned in-thread).

- All Phoenix Wright games
- Civilzation I
- Fire Emblem games, esp. the handheld ones (I have the Wii ones but had trouble getting into them - I really should tackle them again)
- Rock Band (Guitar Hero was mentioned, but I'm a Rock Band man.  Especially RB3.  Keyboards, yo.)
- Super Meat Boy
- most Final Fantasies (couldn't get into VIII or XIII; love FFT, FFTA, FFTA2)
- Ultima IV and V
- Professor Layton series

I have both Demon's Souls and Dark Souls but sadly have lacked the time to really delve into them.  Some day I'd like to come back to them.  Perhaps once all occupants of my household are out of diapers.

I have to play Planescape: Torment one of these days. 

Robz, and other Zelda players here:  are you familiar with Zelda Classic?

For all Final Fantasy enthusiasts, I recommend Theatrhythm on the DS. 

Someone mentioned Persona in passing.  I cannot recommend the Shin Megami Tensei series and its spinoffs highly enough.  Persona 4 may be the best RPG on the PS2.  Persona 3 is also terrific, as is Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne.  On the DS/3DS, the Devil Survivor games, as well as Strange Journey.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Toolshed113 on December 05, 2012, 03:30:32 pm
Someone mentioned Persona in passing.  I cannot recommend the Shin Megami Tensei series and its spinoffs highly enough.  Persona 4 may be the best RPG on the PS2.  Persona 3 is also terrific, as is Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne.  On the DS/3DS, the Devil Survivor games, as well as Strange Journey.

I have a Vita and two games: Persona 3 Portable (PSP game) and Persona 4: The Golden.

Theatrhythm was fun for awhile, but got old quick. I am very fond of kick to the pants hard platformers. If you enjoyed Super Meat Boy, I highly recommend Dustforce.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Robz888 on December 05, 2012, 03:33:09 pm
Robz, and other Zelda players here:  are you familiar with Zelda Classic?

I had never heard of it. I just looked it up. Woah.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: RichardNixon on December 05, 2012, 04:14:24 pm
Has anyone played Jamestown?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk7UERiO3t4

You play as Sir Walter Raleigh in his 1619 voyage to the New World (you know, Mars) fighting off the combined forces of the Spaniards and Martians.

Magicka is also pretty great fun, but after spending some time away from it, I'm now too terrible to pick up where I left off.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Robz888 on December 05, 2012, 04:19:02 pm
Has anyone played Jamestown?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk7UERiO3t4

You play as Sir Walter Raleigh in his 1619 voyage to the New World (you know, Mars) fighting off the combined forces of the Spaniards and Martians.

Magicka is also pretty great fun, but after spending some time away from it, I'm now too terrible to pick up where I left off.

This is utterly false.

(Sir Walter Raleigh died in 1618.)
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Cuzz on December 05, 2012, 05:02:37 pm
Robz, and other Zelda players here:  are you familiar with Zelda Classic?

I had never heard of it. I just looked it up. Woah.

Pshh, the only true Zelda classic is Wand of Gamelon.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Galzria on December 05, 2012, 05:16:14 pm
Volt: Did you never play Xenogears? I'm currently replaying it (for like, the 10th time) through an emulator on my mobile, but it was hands down the best storied game I ever encountered, and the music... Oh man, I can listen to the CD for hours on end. SO good.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Voltgloss on December 05, 2012, 05:33:20 pm
Ah, I have distinct memories of experiencing Xenogears during my third year of college.

I enjoyed it very much, even if Disc 2 showed painfully how much they had to rush things (gameplay-wise) at the end.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Davio on December 06, 2012, 07:15:22 am
I'm currently working on beating Apollo Justice from the Phoenix Wright series, but with the crazy busy life I can only get about 30 mins of playtime in per day. :)

I thought Miles Edgeworth was a fun little spinoff also because of the 3d-ish gameplay.

Edit: I think it's pretty funny to see quite a common denominator across Dominion players and the video games we love. For me they are all light PC or Nintendo (DS or Wii) games as my old gaming PC all but cries when I play Diablo III.

So I started focusing more on lighter puzzle games which don't eat up my poor laptop.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Toolshed113 on December 06, 2012, 08:32:12 am
Volt: Did you never play Xenogears? I'm currently replaying it (for like, the 10th time) through an emulator on my mobile, but it was hands down the best storied game I ever encountered, and the music... Oh man, I can listen to the CD for hours on end. SO good.

Xenogears is awesome. Xenosaga is less so. I did receive Xenoblade Chronicles for my birthday, which is supposed to be the best JRPG of this console generation. I've been super pumped to play it.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Kuildeous on December 06, 2012, 08:57:07 am
You might like these videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C70wWScZWgo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfRB57_BDMU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZimXBB3gUQ

I do love watching his reviews. He does a great job of capturing those little things that annoy you about a game. Even though I'm an XCom fanboy, his review of XCom was spot on.

The tricky thing about his reviews is that they're terrible reviews to watch if you haven't played the game. If you don't know the game, you're given a bunch of examples of how the game is unintuitive or illogical with a brief conclusion of whether the game was good or not. With enough exposure to his videos, you realize that him choosing the game over a sharp stick in the eye is glowing praise. New viewers probably would wonder if there are any games he likes.

But for those who have already seen the game, his acerbity is very fun to watch. Sadly, I don't play that many video games nowadays so I wouldn't understand most of his videos.

And yeah, I was definitely in favor of shooting Screed 1 out of a cannon. Thank goodness Ubisoft listened to feedback and fixed some of those issues. I'm still surprised that the game got enough praise to warrant a part 2.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: theory on December 06, 2012, 09:49:26 am
Amusingly, I enjoy his videos even though I haven't played 90+% of the games...
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Davio on December 06, 2012, 09:51:16 am
Amusingly, I enjoy his videos even though I haven't played 90+% of the games...
I recently watched a couple of Angry Video Game Nerd NES reviews.
Man, some of those games were truly horrible! The "Arnold Schwarzenegger" review I found especially amusing.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Kuildeous on December 06, 2012, 10:15:37 am
Amusingly, I enjoy his videos even though I haven't played 90+% of the games...
I recently watched a couple of Angry Video Game Nerd NES reviews.
Man, some of those games were truly horrible! The "Arnold Schwarzenegger" review I found especially amusing.

I saw the Angry Nerd's review of Dragon's Lair for the NES. Hilarious. I could totally relate, because I remember playing that POS. I'm not sure I ever got past the drawbridge.

Now, Dragon's Lair on C64 I got past. It was a bit more manageable.

Heh, I am a slave to my childhood. I own Dragon's Lair, Dragon's Lair II, and Space Ace on DVD so that you could actually play them on a DVD player (but awkwardly since there is a minimum of 2 seconds between moves since some DVD players don't take kindly to button mashing). Then I bought them for the Wii. I even have them for the PC. Each time, I buy them to recapture my childhood, but I'm reminded that they're not really that great of games.

Still, compared to the pixilated wonders of the day, an animated video game was such a big deal, even if it really was just a reflexes-based version of Choose Your Own Adventure, only you still only have one path to take (aside from Space Ace). I still can't believe how much money I spent on those games.

I would seek out a way to relive my Cliff Hanger days, but I guess I can just do that by purchasing the Lupin III anime it borrowed from.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: ConMan on December 06, 2012, 06:00:22 pm
For all Final Fantasy enthusiasts, I recommend Theatrhythm on the DS. 
I'm not an FF fan, but I played the demo and I'm considering getting it as I do like a rhythm game (but unless there's a compelling reason to do so, I will probably try to play as many songs on the top difficulty only).
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Davio on December 07, 2012, 03:06:53 am
My random Video Games Top 10 (that I can think of in 1 minute)

1. Diablo II (PC)
2. Half-Life: Counter-Strike (PC)
3. Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (SNES)
4. Donkey Kong Country series (SNES)
5. GTA Vice City (PC)
6. Monkey Island series (PC)
7. Super Mario series (mostly NES, but also Super Mario World on SNES and Galaxy series on Wii)
8. Max Payne 1 & 2 (PC)
9. Call of Duty (up to, but not including Black Ops, PC)
10. Professor Layton series (DS)

Although it's a top 10, the order is pretty random, I just jotted down whatever I could think of and am pretty sure I've forgotten some great games.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: () | (_) ^/ on December 07, 2012, 07:55:32 am
My random Video Games Top 10 (that I can think of in 1 minute)

1. Diablo II (PC)
2. Half-Life: Counter-Strike (PC)
3. Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (SNES)
4. Donkey Kong Country series (SNES)
5. GTA Vice City (PC)
6. Monkey Island series (PC)
7. Super Mario series (mostly NES, but also Super Mario World on SNES and Galaxy series on Wii)
8. Max Payne 1 & 2 (PC)
9. Call of Duty (up to, but not including Black Ops, PC)
10. Professor Layton series (DS)

Although it's a top 10, the order is pretty random, I just jotted down whatever I could think of and am pretty sure I've forgotten some great games.

Davio, in 150 words or less*, compare/contrast the virtues or lack thereof of the three GTA 3rd generation games (GTA III, Vice City, San Andreas).

*Actually, you can do more than 150 words, I just threw that in there for funsies.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Davio on December 07, 2012, 08:04:02 am
Two words: Tony Montana

But that's a bit short, although you're essentially playing Scarface: The Video Game. There's even a scene where you have to defend your mansion in a similar manner.

For me, it's just a preference of setting, I just liked cruising through the Miami-esque background the best of all three games. I enjoyed San Andreas quite a lot and especially Las Venturas, but it didn't quite appeal to me as Vice City did.

Maybe if I can cut San Andreas in half, the order would be:

1. San Andreas (2nd part)
2. Vice City
3. San Andreas (1st part)
4. GTA III
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: () | (_) ^/ on December 07, 2012, 08:20:57 am
Two words: Tony Montana

But that's a bit short, although you're essentially playing Scarface: The Video Game. There's even a scene where you have to defend your mansion in a similar manner.

For me, it's just a preference of setting, I just liked cruising through the Miami-esque background the best of all three games. I enjoyed San Andreas quite a lot and especially Las Venturas, but it didn't quite appeal to me as Vice City did.

Maybe if I can cut San Andreas in half, the order would be:

1. San Andreas (2nd part)
2. Vice City
3. San Andreas (1st part)
4. GTA III

Fair enough!  The reason I asked was because I have played GTAIII all the way through a couple of times (once many years ago, and then again recently in a fit of nostalgia).  I now own San Andreas, Vice City, and GTA IV, so I'm going to be playing those sometime soon and wanted to get some feedback about them.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Davio on December 07, 2012, 08:32:17 am
Well, it's also a question of which character appeals most to you, I guess.

In Vicy City you play the afore mentioned Tony Montana, but in San Andreas you play this West Coast gangsta from the hood. It took me a while in San Andreas to get used to the character, it's just not a world I'm very familiar or comfortable with, no matter how many rap videos I've seen. Once you're playing for a couple of hours, you realize they're all cartoon characters anyway, so it starts to be pretty hilarious. By the time you've unlocked Las Venturas it stops being a nuisance.

GTAIII was of course very revolutionary, but I've found it a bit pale, for lack of better wording, in contrast to Vice City.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Kuildeous on December 07, 2012, 09:46:30 am
The evolution of GTAIII is interesting. With each game, the game play got better. I enjoyed GTAIII when I first played it, but I could never go back to it. It was maddening to do those police mission where I had to constantly drive without seeing where I'm going just so I could shoot the car next to me. I was able to offset that a bit by using the rocket launcher sometimes.

In Vice City, I still had the awkward side-camera shootings, but I had something else to help me out. If I took the unmarked car, then I could keep my wanted level down by visiting Spray and Pay often. I don't believe that Vice City introduced the police motorcycle. At least I don't remember doing that. In San Andreas, those police missions became a lot more open for me when I got to use a motorcycle.

In general, the addition of motorcycles in Vice City was great. It became more than just driving with awkward shooting. You could combine driving with shooting. The full driving-while-shooting experience didn't happen until GTAIV. That was nice, but it also changed how I drive. In GTAIII*, I could make slight adjustments in steering with the mouse while using the keyboard for harder turns. In GTAIV, the mouse doesn't affect steering at all, so I have to rely on keyboard commands.

I totally did not want to like the GTA series. I never played I and II. I wrinkled my nose at III because it sounded like one of those snuff games that'd get adolescents off. It's the same reason I snubbed Postal. But when I watched a friend of mine play, I said, "You know, that looks pretty fun."
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: theory on December 07, 2012, 10:31:16 am
I'm tempted to get GTA VC for iOS.  I have such fond memories of playing Vice City.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Voltgloss on December 07, 2012, 11:02:12 am
For all Final Fantasy enthusiasts, I recommend Theatrhythm on the DS. 
I'm not an FF fan, but I played the demo and I'm considering getting it as I do like a rhythm game (but unless there's a compelling reason to do so, I will probably try to play as many songs on the top difficulty only).

You have to beat each song on lower difficulty to unlock its harder difficulty versions.  So there will be some "easy going" early on, but I didn't mind it - it was helpful to get fully accustomed to the interface.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Toolshed113 on December 07, 2012, 01:06:38 pm
For all Final Fantasy enthusiasts, I recommend Theatrhythm on the DS. 
I'm not an FF fan, but I played the demo and I'm considering getting it as I do like a rhythm game (but unless there's a compelling reason to do so, I will probably try to play as many songs on the top difficulty only).

You have to beat each song on lower difficulty to unlock its harder difficulty versions.  So there will be some "easy going" early on, but I didn't mind it - it was helpful to get fully accustomed to the interface.

It's totally worth it just to listen to "The Man with the Machine Gun" from FF8 over and over and over and....
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Kuildeous on December 09, 2012, 10:11:06 pm
I downloaded The Unfinished Swan (for PS3) today from the Playstation Store, and have played about 20 minutes (to the first autosave).  It's starkly beautiful, and a completely new twist on a tried and true mechanic (FPS), though the notion of "shooter" is sort of misleading, as you aren't trying to kill anything, just define your world using a paint gun. It was $15, and I've already gotten $15 worth of value out of it.  It's very easy to play, and the learning curve is about 10 seconds.

The launch trailer is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA6KMMhnJCQ

I did download The Unfinished Swan the other day. My wife still has issues with it, but she is engrossed enough that she keeps playing (which she then regrets).

I did notice one thing. When I was into the dark tunnel, I was faced with a creature with multiple red eyes. My question is: Are there spiders in the game? I know I saw a painting of a spider in the opening sequence. I'm hoping there isn't a spider in the rest of the game. My wife is dreadfully arachnophobic, and she won't finish the game if she has to cope with a spider (though if it's a small part, I can get her through it). She's pretty much not playing any Zelda game either.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Robz888 on December 10, 2012, 12:03:39 am
I am also deeply arachnophobic. But Twilight Princess is the only one with really, really spidery spiders.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Kuildeous on December 10, 2012, 12:12:11 am
Well, answered my own question about spiders in The Unfinished Swan. Found a couple of scenes with spiders lurking in the dark. And it's actually a very unsettling moment in the game where time is indeed a factor. I think I'll probably be completing those two scenes for her. I think those are enough to give her nightmares.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on December 10, 2012, 09:09:25 am
Well, answered my own question about spiders in The Unfinished Swan. Found a couple of scenes with spiders lurking in the dark. And it's actually a very unsettling moment in the game where time is indeed a factor. I think I'll probably be completing those two scenes for her. I think those are enough to give her nightmares.
Just saw this post and your preceding one on the topic, and I would not have been much help, as it seems you are now much father along than I am.  Did you locate some meclizine for her, to help with the motion sickness?
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Kuildeous on December 10, 2012, 09:30:18 am
Well, answered my own question about spiders in The Unfinished Swan. Found a couple of scenes with spiders lurking in the dark. And it's actually a very unsettling moment in the game where time is indeed a factor. I think I'll probably be completing those two scenes for her. I think those are enough to give her nightmares.
Just saw this post and your preceding one on the topic, and I would not have been much help, as it seems you are now much father along than I am.  Did you locate some meclizine for her, to help with the motion sickness?

Not yet. She has some medication that she takes for plane trips, but it requires taking an hour beforehand. We don't plan our video-game playing that far in advance, but we may try to arrange for that.

Though I have to say, it was an effective use of spiders in this game. It was very creepy and nerve-wracking. It will not suit my wife at all. If there is anything worse than seeing an actual spider, it's the uncertainty of whether a spider will be lunging at you.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on December 10, 2012, 09:48:06 am
Well, answered my own question about spiders in The Unfinished Swan. Found a couple of scenes with spiders lurking in the dark. And it's actually a very unsettling moment in the game where time is indeed a factor. I think I'll probably be completing those two scenes for her. I think those are enough to give her nightmares.
Just saw this post and your preceding one on the topic, and I would not have been much help, as it seems you are now much father along than I am.  Did you locate some meclizine for her, to help with the motion sickness?

Not yet. She has some medication that she takes for plane trips, but it requires taking an hour beforehand. We don't plan our video-game playing that far in advance, but we may try to arrange for that.

Though I have to say, it was an effective use of spiders in this game. It was very creepy and nerve-wracking. It will not suit my wife at all. If there is anything worse than seeing an actual spider, it's the uncertainty of whether a spider will be lunging at you.
The directions on my bottle also say take one hour beforehand, but one of the reasons I take this med over the other (Dramamine) is that it works for me even AFTER I'm not feeling well, and I usually get some relief within about half an hour.  YMMV, but I hope that helps.  Disclaimer:  I do not, and never have, worked for the company that makes either product, so I'm not a shill here (nor am I a doctor).
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on December 11, 2012, 08:22:05 am
Caught this on MSNBC a minute ago.  I know NBC is not the recognized leader in videogaming critique, but I agreed with their award for best art direction this year (if my choices were just those in the clip - I've not played any new videogames this year except Unfinished Swan, which is not "nominated"):

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/in-game/50149806/#50149806

The artwork in the winner (no spoiler here) looked amazing, and was clearly more detailed than the others.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Davio on December 11, 2012, 09:08:03 am
What are some of your favorite video game memories?

For me it's some early NES games. I grew up in a loving family as the youngest of four and now that I'm a parent myself I understand how tough it must have been and I have the utmost respect for my parents. We didn't have a lot of money, but my parents worked very hard and I never felt that we were missing something.

So one Sinterklaas (like Christmas, but 3 weeks earlier) eve we got a NES and we were all very excited. The games we got with it were Super Mario Bros 2 (one of the more funky ones), Adventure in the Magic Kingdom and some I don't remember. We had a blast! I also have fond memories of going to the video store, renting some NES games and trying to beat them in a week. Games in those days could be pretty unforgiving. Maybe it was the arcade attitude where higher difficulty meant more quarters or something.

Some absolute highlights for me were: Super Spike V-Ball, World Cup, Mega Man 2, Snake Rattle 'n Roll, Double Dragon, Rescue Rangers, Zelda, Castlevania, Duck Tales and many, many others.

What I find pretty amazing is that in those days I didn't understand English quite as well as I do today, but still somehow managed to get pretty far in a lot of language heavy games. It was mostly trial and error and walking to the edge of the screen, but still... And a lot of games were utterly confusing. I remember playing The Goonies, having no clue what to do and going back and forth through the same areas over and over.

As a testament to my old gaming days, I still remember a cheat code for International Superstar Soccer Deluxe for the SNES: R, Up, Down, L, X, B, Left, A, Right, Y would unlock the AllStar teams. That was locked in muscle memory. ;D
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Drab Emordnilap on December 11, 2012, 10:19:48 am
I remember renting Pac-In-Time and getting completely stuck on a screen where Pac-Man would just walk on, trip on a skateboard, and die, over and over. Forever.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Robz888 on December 16, 2012, 01:48:09 pm
Anyone have the pleasure of playing Super Mario RPG for the SNES? I beat that game like once a year. Sometimes I just listen to the soundtrack while I'm playing Dominion or something.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: WanderingWinder on December 16, 2012, 02:02:12 pm
Anyone have the pleasure of playing Super Mario RPG for the SNES? I beat that game like once a year. Sometimes I just listen to the soundtrack while I'm playing Dominion or something.
Great. Game.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Lekkit on December 17, 2012, 01:41:14 am
Anyone have the pleasure of playing Super Mario RPG for the SNES? I beat that game like once a year. Sometimes I just listen to the soundtrack while I'm playing Dominion or something.

I got to the final boss and for some reason, I stopped playing.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Davio on December 17, 2012, 03:43:06 am
Anyone have the pleasure of playing Super Mario RPG for the SNES? I beat that game like once a year. Sometimes I just listen to the soundtrack while I'm playing Dominion or something.

I got to the final boss and for some reason, I stopped playing.
I played it and loved it and I'm not that big of an RPG fan. But they made it fun and the timing of the jumps was an extra funny challenge.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Titandrake on December 17, 2012, 05:03:18 am
I played Superstar Saga a lot (as in enough to start doing challenge runs of the games), so I've been considering playing Super Mario RPG. Actually, I've liked all the Paper Mario games so far, so I don't know why I haven't tried it sooner.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Drab Emordnilap on December 17, 2012, 10:13:15 am
Anyone have the pleasure of playing Super Mario RPG for the SNES? I beat that game like once a year. Sometimes I just listen to the soundtrack while I'm playing Dominion or something.

If you gave me a couple hours, I could probably transcribe most of the game script from memory.

I never managed to get the Super Suit, though.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Toolshed113 on December 17, 2012, 11:09:42 am
Anyone have the pleasure of playing Super Mario RPG for the SNES? I beat that game like once a year. Sometimes I just listen to the soundtrack while I'm playing Dominion or something.

I've been hoping for years that Geno and Mallow would see the light of day in another game...
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Drab Emordnilap on December 17, 2012, 11:25:42 am
I've been hoping for years that Geno and Mallow would see the light of day in another game...



(http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/49713i928ADBE87CE45FDA/image-size/original?v=mpbl-1&px=-1)
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Robz888 on December 17, 2012, 01:36:21 pm
I played Superstar Saga a lot (as in enough to start doing challenge runs of the games), so I've been considering playing Super Mario RPG. Actually, I've liked all the Paper Mario games so far, so I don't know why I haven't tried it sooner.

I really like the Paper Mario games, too. But you seriously should play Super Mario RPG immediately. It's soooo great.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Robz888 on December 17, 2012, 01:38:08 pm
Anyone have the pleasure of playing Super Mario RPG for the SNES? I beat that game like once a year. Sometimes I just listen to the soundtrack while I'm playing Dominion or something.

If you gave me a couple hours, I could probably transcribe most of the game script from memory.

I never managed to get the Super Suit, though.

Walk off the clouds on the southeast side of the town in Nimbus Land...
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Drab Emordnilap on December 17, 2012, 02:05:56 pm
Walk off the clouds on the southeast side of the town in Nimbus Land...

That's to get the Lazy Shells. The Super Suit is hitting 100 times with a Super Jump.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Robz888 on December 17, 2012, 02:54:05 pm
Walk off the clouds on the southeast side of the town in Nimbus Land...

That's to get the Lazy Shells. The Super Suit is hitting 100 times with a Super Jump.

Oh! Excuse me, you are completely right. No, I can't get the Super Suit either. And I managed a LOT of jumps once.

Another thing I always fail to get is the hidden Treasure Box in the corridor of Mushroom Kingdom Castle. You can only get it the first time you go in, because Toad runs straight down the hall and you have to jump on his head and hit the hidden block just as he passes under it (or so I've read).
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Drab Emordnilap on December 17, 2012, 03:19:42 pm
Another thing I always fail to get is the hidden Treasure Box in the corridor of Mushroom Kingdom Castle. You can only get it the first time you go in, because Toad runs straight down the hall and you have to jump on his head and hit the hidden block just as he passes under it (or so I've read).

Even worse -- you have to ride on his head, and use him to jump on top of the doorframe into the throne room, then jump from the door frame to hit the invisible chest.

I would always reset if I missed that one, though.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: WanderingWinder on December 17, 2012, 03:37:58 pm
Walk off the clouds on the southeast side of the town in Nimbus Land...

That's to get the Lazy Shells. The Super Suit is hitting 100 times with a Super Jump.

Oh! Excuse me, you are completely right. No, I can't get the Super Suit either. And I managed a LOT of jumps once.

Another thing I always fail to get is the hidden Treasure Box in the corridor of Mushroom Kingdom Castle. You can only get it the first time you go in, because Toad runs straight down the hall and you have to jump on his head and hit the hidden block just as he passes under it (or so I've read).
I've gotten it before. First try, or after like 30 resets. Never after like one or two....
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: jonts26 on December 17, 2012, 05:22:39 pm
Another thing I always fail to get is the hidden Treasure Box in the corridor of Mushroom Kingdom Castle. You can only get it the first time you go in, because Toad runs straight down the hall and you have to jump on his head and hit the hidden block just as he passes under it (or so I've read).

Even worse -- you have to ride on his head, and use him to jump on top of the doorframe into the throne room, then jump from the door frame to hit the invisible chest.

I would always reset if I missed that one, though.

First time I played, after getting the thing that beeps if theres a hidden chest. I spent maybe an hour in that room jumping like mad and could not find the thing. I generally avoid outside help but finally gave in. What the heck? Who makes something like that a gone forever? So mad.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Tables on December 17, 2012, 06:12:20 pm
I've played SMRPG on a ROM (never released in the UK :(), and I have to say, it's good, but man, all the Paper Mario games are so much better (despite being newer). Well, Super Paper Mario is a different beast entirely, still a great game, but not so much an RPG.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Toolshed113 on December 18, 2012, 10:49:57 am
I've played SMRPG on a ROM (never released in the UK :(), and I have to say, it's good, but man, all the Paper Mario games are so much better (despite being newer). Well, Super Paper Mario is a different beast entirely, still a great game, but not so much an RPG.

Nostalgia is powerful, I suppose. I enjoyed the Paper Mario games, but not as much as I enjoyed SMRPG as a kid. Besides, SMRPG paved the way for all those shiny new Paper Mario games. Bow to Squaresoft! Now, please make me another Chrono game.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Insomniac on December 18, 2012, 12:39:41 pm
Anyone have the pleasure of playing Super Mario RPG for the SNES? I beat that game like once a year. Sometimes I just listen to the soundtrack while I'm playing Dominion or something.

I've beaten it thrice. Thinking about a 4th playthough
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: WanderingWinder on December 18, 2012, 01:51:34 pm
Anyone have the pleasure of playing Super Mario RPG for the SNES? I beat that game like once a year. Sometimes I just listen to the soundtrack while I'm playing Dominion or something.
Wait, somehow I didn't notice the end of this - where can you get the soundtrack???????
WW's buying himself a Christmas present...
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Robz888 on December 18, 2012, 01:55:23 pm
Anyone have the pleasure of playing Super Mario RPG for the SNES? I beat that game like once a year. Sometimes I just listen to the soundtrack while I'm playing Dominion or something.
Wait, somehow I didn't notice the end of this - where can you get the soundtrack???????
WW's buying himself a Christmas present...

Sorry, I don't have like an official one on CD. I just youtube it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFnwioqAbks&feature=related
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Ozle on December 18, 2012, 01:58:41 pm
Anyone have the pleasure of playing Super Mario RPG for the SNES? I beat that game like once a year. Sometimes I just listen to the soundtrack while I'm playing Dominion or something.
Wait, somehow I didn't notice the end of this - where can you get the soundtrack???????
WW's buying himself a Christmas present...

How adverse are you to Bit Torrents....?
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: WanderingWinder on December 18, 2012, 02:02:37 pm
Anyone have the pleasure of playing Super Mario RPG for the SNES? I beat that game like once a year. Sometimes I just listen to the soundtrack while I'm playing Dominion or something.
Wait, somehow I didn't notice the end of this - where can you get the soundtrack???????
WW's buying himself a Christmas present...

How adverse are you to Bit Torrents....?
Quite adverse.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Ozle on December 18, 2012, 02:03:58 pm
Thought as much. Nothing to see here then.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Ozle on December 18, 2012, 02:09:36 pm
Also, I had never heard of this game before....Now I have just found it on an online emulater....that could be my evening gone!
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Robz888 on December 18, 2012, 02:12:28 pm
Also, I had never heard of this game before....Now I have just found it on an online emulater....that could be my evening gone!

When you first walk into the castle, get up on Toad's head and jump on to the space above the next door! Then jump back toward the hall.

It's like one measly Frog Coin, or something.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Drab Emordnilap on December 18, 2012, 05:05:28 pm
Also, I had never heard of this game before....Now I have just found it on an online emulater....that could be my evening gone!

When you first walk into the castle, get up on Toad's head and jump on to the space above the next door! Then jump back toward the hall.

It's like one measly Frog Coin, or something.

Also, go to the inn and save before you go into the castle the first time, so that you can try again when you mess up.

Ride his head until he stops to open the door, then jump northeast.

It's one measly frog coin that's also the only permanently missable hidden treasure in the whole game.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Ozle on December 18, 2012, 05:05:47 pm
Meh, ill skip it
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: jonts26 on December 18, 2012, 05:24:50 pm
Meh, ill skip it

But...but...100% completion!
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: WanderingWinder on December 18, 2012, 05:33:20 pm
Meh, ill skip it

But...but...100% completion!
Good luck getting that 100 jump thing. I can only get somewhere in the 20s on a consistent basis.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Robz888 on December 18, 2012, 05:45:38 pm
Meh, ill skip it

But...but...100% completion!
Good luck getting that 100 jump thing. I can only get somewhere in the 20s on a consistent basis.

Oh, here's another thing, do you guys win the lookaway game in the Casino 100 times? I did it once, but it's so tedious (and the prize so unnecessary) that I never bothered in subsequent run-throughs.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Drab Emordnilap on December 18, 2012, 05:59:47 pm
Oh, here's another thing, do you guys win the lookaway game in the Casino 100 times? I did it once, but it's so tedious (and the prize so unnecessary) that I never bothered in subsequent run-throughs.

Button mashing while watching TV.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: jonts26 on December 18, 2012, 06:19:25 pm
Meh, ill skip it

But...but...100% completion!
Good luck getting that 100 jump thing. I can only get somewhere in the 20s on a consistent basis.

I think my record is in the 70's. I bet with a couple of hours practice I can crack 100. I don't actually care about it much though.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: WanderingWinder on December 18, 2012, 06:20:23 pm
Wait, why don't I remember a lookaway game... or a casino? Where's the casino?
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: jonts26 on December 18, 2012, 06:58:02 pm
Wait, why don't I remember a lookaway game... or a casino? Where's the casino?

http://www.mariowiki.com/Grate_Guy's_Casino

It's rather annoying to gain access to. But hey, it's there.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Kuildeous on December 19, 2012, 08:32:04 am
Meh, ill skip it

But...but...100% completion!

I do get annoyed at the trend to add mini-games of 100% completion. I'd rather focus on the game itself and not the little scavenger hunts.

Although, I complain less when there's an in-game benefit to the scavenger hunt but only if it's progressive. Usually, I don't feel it's worth getting 100% for the benefit they offer, but it's nice if there is something that happens at the 20% mark and again at the 50% mark. The Grand Theft Auto games had something like this.

I say that I don't do 100% completion, but I still got all of the stars in Super Mario Galaxy, which was no small feat considering the difficulty of a few of them. I gave up the idea of getting 100% on Super Mario Galaxy 2, though. My patience can only last so long.

I don't mind scavenger hunts so much if they took very little effort (and, thus, money) to add. I don't want a portion of my purchase to be put toward something that I'm just not going to care about.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Davio on December 19, 2012, 08:48:33 am
I had the same experience with Super Mario Galaxy I and II, just lost interest.

I always start like: "100% completion, here I come!" But I rarely do it.
Usually games start out super easy and you can get 100% completion on the first world or level without trying hard. But as you get further, it gets harder and you are at a crossroads: Play the same level over and over again trying to get 100% or just finish the game/story and go back. I usually do the latter and never go back.

There are exceptions of course. With Legend of Zelda: A Link to The Past I have played it so much and 100% is not that challenging or tedious, it's fun! The first time you complete the game you think: "What are those gaps in my items!?" And you start exploring more the second time to see what you've missed or you figure out how to get to "impossible" places.

This way getting 100% really adds something to the game and it isn't just for completion's sake.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Robz888 on December 19, 2012, 12:28:28 pm
I had the same experience with Super Mario Galaxy I and II, just lost interest.

I always start like: "100% completion, here I come!" But I rarely do it.
Usually games start out super easy and you can get 100% completion on the first world or level without trying hard. But as you get further, it gets harder and you are at a crossroads: Play the same level over and over again trying to get 100% or just finish the game/story and go back. I usually do the latter and never go back.

There are exceptions of course. With Legend of Zelda: A Link to The Past I have played it so much and 100% is not that challenging or tedious, it's fun! The first time you complete the game you think: "What are those gaps in my items!?" And you start exploring more the second time to see what you've missed or you figure out how to get to "impossible" places.

This way getting 100% really adds something to the game and it isn't just for completion's sake.

I love Mario games, but for me the Galaxy games are a tad overrated. I still enjoyed them, but I have no desire to replay them or 100% complete them. They didn't have the same... heart, I guess? For my money, Sunshine was infinitely more delightful.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: jonts26 on December 19, 2012, 04:02:05 pm
I had the same experience with Super Mario Galaxy I and II, just lost interest.

I always start like: "100% completion, here I come!" But I rarely do it.
Usually games start out super easy and you can get 100% completion on the first world or level without trying hard. But as you get further, it gets harder and you are at a crossroads: Play the same level over and over again trying to get 100% or just finish the game/story and go back. I usually do the latter and never go back.

There are exceptions of course. With Legend of Zelda: A Link to The Past I have played it so much and 100% is not that challenging or tedious, it's fun! The first time you complete the game you think: "What are those gaps in my items!?" And you start exploring more the second time to see what you've missed or you figure out how to get to "impossible" places.

This way getting 100% really adds something to the game and it isn't just for completion's sake.

I love Mario games, but for me the Galaxy games are a tad overrated. I still enjoyed them, but I have no desire to replay them or 100% complete them. They didn't have the same... heart, I guess? For my money, Sunshine was infinitely more delightful.

Of course Robz the zelda fanboy complains about a game's lack of heart(s).
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Toolshed113 on December 19, 2012, 04:31:48 pm
I love Mario games, but for me the Galaxy games are a tad overrated. I still enjoyed them, but I have no desire to replay them or 100% complete them. They didn't have the same... heart, I guess? For my money, Sunshine was infinitely more delightful.

I think I've found the only other person in the world who likes Super Mario Sunshine. What an underrated game that was! The FLUDD-less action segments are by far the most challenging/satisfying a Mario game has been in years. Just don't get me started about those stupid blue coins...
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: blueblimp on December 20, 2012, 02:10:44 am
The FLUDD-less action segments are by far the most challenging/satisfying a Mario game has been in years.
This I agree with completely, but Sunshine was otherwise a step down from Super Mario 64 in pretty much every way. The Galaxy games were a big step up again overall.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Davio on December 20, 2012, 02:21:04 am
I loved the Galaxy series, I just didn't care enough to get all the stars and then again with Luigi.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Synthesizer on December 20, 2012, 04:08:54 am
I'm ridiculously late to the party in this topic.  First, a quick list of games I've seen mentioned in here that I have on my own list of faves (in the order they were mentioned in-thread).
...
- Civilzation I
...

Even later to the party :)

Original CIV!!!!! I spent so many hours with that game. In school we had a contest, "finish the game ASAP", on the standard world map, %^ cheat allowed (typing that would reveal the map). Once we managed that easily in BC era, we changed the contest to "Nuke ASAP". We could JUST NOT fire them off BC.
Later Civ games are still awesome, but I never managed to do such ridiculous things. Although I did not spend nearly as much time on those games.

I also LOVED Colonization. I find it a big shame that that has never been re-released in modernized form.

The Advance Wars games have been a huge time-sink for me. Oh, and Death Rally.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Kuildeous on May 13, 2013, 08:57:40 am
I decided to try out the closed beta for the new Marvel MMO. It's not too shabby. It's free to play, so the price is right. You can pay money to unlock characters and costumes and stuff. If I read correctly, you could theoretically unlock everything for free. I imagine it requires a lot of grinding or some sort to get to that level.

It has a Diablo-like gameplay. You face hordes of minions. Sometimes a boss character shows up (Venom terrorizing the docks, for example), where you have to team up with other heroes.

The downside is that you can't make your own character. You have to play a Marvel character, so you see a buttload of Iron Man clones running around. For the beta, I quickly "bought" the Rocky Raccoon character because you don't see many of those.

When it comes out, I may play it. It didn't thrill me at first, but I was gradually warming up to it. Closed beta ends later today, so I'm done with it for now. It's supposed to release next month.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: mcmcsalot on May 17, 2013, 12:56:21 pm
Oh, and Chips Challenge. I love that game. It certainly is...a challenge.

Woah yes I remember that, brilliant it was

Isn't this game like impossible or did you just never beat it robz? I only remember an Ice level being attempted over the course of multiple years.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: mcmcsalot on May 17, 2013, 12:58:36 pm
I'm a pretty avid Fire Emblem player.

Great games. Radiant Dawn is quite challenging at some points. Like when your sucky team has to fight your epic super buffed team.

I am quite in love with the fire emblem series, I have beaten the two for ds about 20 times each and the gamecube/wii about 10. Fully completeing and leveling in the post game of the ds games is one of the most fun things ever. Running out of all items/money while upgrading stats and having to clear tower levels using only summoners is hilarious.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: mcmcsalot on May 17, 2013, 01:00:13 pm
Has anyone here played the Dynasty Warriors series? It's my guilty pleasure video game series, because I recognize that they are repetitive and highly flawed, and every subsequent installment after the 5th one has disappointed me with its gaping problems... but I still keep buying them.

Quite a few of the guys I play League with play Dynasty warriors. Aparently the two games cross over alot, they released a zhao yun and a lu bu skin for two of the champions, and tons of people actually knew the reference.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Robz888 on May 17, 2013, 01:00:24 pm
Oh, and Chips Challenge. I love that game. It certainly is...a challenge.

Woah yes I remember that, brilliant it was

Isn't this game like impossible or did you just never beat it robz? I only remember an Ice level being attempted over the course of multiple years.

Yeah the one where there was like an island in the middle and you need to make a bridge out of 800 different blocks... never beat it. Tough game.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: shMerker on May 17, 2013, 01:03:05 pm
I love that game. My brothers and I used to spend whole days taking turns on it, with a lot of backseat driving.

And I have beaten it, though If I'm not mistaken it actually is impossible to play the game from beginning to end, winning every level, because about two thirds through is a level, appropriately titled "Totally Unfair", that can't be won. Fortunately that level gives you a password to access a later level (I believe there are some other level passwords hidden earlier in the game as well) so you can still get to the end.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: mcmcsalot on May 17, 2013, 01:06:26 pm
Yeah, I suppose that is true. There's something extra angry about DOTA, though. I played all sorts of competitive/cooperative games with my friend for years and I never saw him get angry like that. There's something about DOTA that makes everybody feel like they're the best player in the world. It really doesn't help that the difficulty curve is very high and that the game requires a ton of team coordination. It can't be fun to expect teamwork from random public games. My friend wouldn't even apologize for being an ass. "That's just how DOTA is" was his response. F that game.

Revenge is sweet. I kick his ass at Dominion.

Aww, I would suggest League(because I like it more) but truth be told the community is rather poor in both. I have played League for more than 3 years, and I can say while generally I am a very very kind person, after about 2 years of playing I got moderately good at the game and the rage set in. I think it has less to do with thinking your the best but when you get a taste of winning(and winning alot) it becomes extremely frustrating when you lose, you just can't understand why the past 10 games you've won and now you've lost and you begin to get angry at yourself and everyone for any mistake you can find because if you could just correct all the mistakes you could win again. This went on or quite some time until my girlfriend(yes she learned to play so we could enjoy it together) finally blew up at me and explained there's no point in playing just to win, if you njoy the game enjoy it regardless if the screen at the end says victory or defeat. Since then I play to have fun and understand regardless I am playing for my own enjoyment. It has helped a lot and I would suggest talking to your friend if your brave, I know I am a much happier person overall without the unnecessary stress I put on myself.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: eHalcyon on May 17, 2013, 01:23:14 pm
Has anyone here played the Dynasty Warriors series? It's my guilty pleasure video game series, because I recognize that they are repetitive and highly flawed, and every subsequent installment after the 5th one has disappointed me with its gaping problems... but I still keep buying them.

Quite a few of the guys I play League with play Dynasty warriors. Aparently the two games cross over alot, they released a zhao yun and a lu bu skin for two of the champions, and tons of people actually knew the reference.

You know the reference isn't Dynasty Warriors, right? They are characters from Romance of the Three Kingdoms.  :)
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Robz888 on May 17, 2013, 01:46:46 pm
Has anyone here played the Dynasty Warriors series? It's my guilty pleasure video game series, because I recognize that they are repetitive and highly flawed, and every subsequent installment after the 5th one has disappointed me with its gaping problems... but I still keep buying them.

Quite a few of the guys I play League with play Dynasty warriors. Aparently the two games cross over alot, they released a zhao yun and a lu bu skin for two of the champions, and tons of people actually knew the reference.

You know the reference isn't Dynasty Warriors, right? They are characters from Romance of the Three Kingdoms.  :)

Trust me, he knows. We own all four volumes of the Romance of The Three Kingdoms in the Soave household.

"Though I am living in the tiger's mouth, I am as steady as the Taishan Mountains." - Zhuge Liang
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: theory on May 17, 2013, 02:26:26 pm
That's awesome.  The next time I play LoL with your brother I should spout off ROTK quotes non-stop.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: jonts26 on May 17, 2013, 02:36:29 pm
Hope you didnt want to get any work done this afternoon.

http://webccgame.com/?page=play
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Robz888 on May 17, 2013, 02:58:42 pm
That's awesome.  The next time I play LoL with your brother I should spout off ROTK quotes non-stop.

Like Luo Guanzhong himself, my brother is a big Shu fanboy. I'm more of a Wu guy.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: theory on May 17, 2013, 03:14:32 pm
Hope you didnt want to get any work done this afternoon.

http://webccgame.com/?page=play

Luckily I got so annoyed with having to repeatedly restart level 2 (from constantly walking in the water accidentally) that I will still be productive this afternoon :)
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: jsh357 on May 17, 2013, 03:25:11 pm
Luckily Chips Challenge's controls are so much stiffer than I remember that I didn't get past level 10 before getting frustrated.

Nice try
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Tables on May 17, 2013, 05:38:58 pm
I'm a pretty avid Fire Emblem player.

Great games. Radiant Dawn is quite challenging at some points. Like when your sucky team has to fight your epic super buffed team.

I am quite in love with the fire emblem series, I have beaten the two for ds about 20 times each and the gamecube/wii about 10. Fully completeing and leveling in the post game of the ds games is one of the most fun things ever. Running out of all items/money while upgrading stats and having to clear tower levels using only summoners is hilarious.

The two for DS? You have the Japanese one? Or are you talking about Awakening?

I'm personally not a fan of post-game grinding, especially not in a series like Fire Emblem. But I do love the FE games. I've recently been playing Awakening on 3DS, which I've just completed on Lunatic CLA mode without any grinding... fun stuff. Unfortunately it's done the somewhat common Fire Emblem thing on having a difficulty curve which is basically a playground slide: It gets extremely difficult extremely quickly (culminating at about, oh, chapter 3 of 25ish) as you climb the ladder, but then suddenly you hit the slide and it gets easier and easier as you go.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: mcmcsalot on May 17, 2013, 06:04:49 pm
I'm a pretty avid Fire Emblem player.

Great games. Radiant Dawn is quite challenging at some points. Like when your sucky team has to fight your epic super buffed team.

I am quite in love with the fire emblem series, I have beaten the two for ds about 20 times each and the gamecube/wii about 10. Fully completeing and leveling in the post game of the ds games is one of the most fun things ever. Running out of all items/money while upgrading stats and having to clear tower levels using only summoners is hilarious.

The two for DS? You have the Japanese one? Or are you talking about Awakening?

I'm personally not a fan of post-game grinding, especially not in a series like Fire Emblem. But I do love the FE games. I've recently been playing Awakening on 3DS, which I've just completed on Lunatic CLA mode without any grinding... fun stuff. Unfortunately it's done the somewhat common Fire Emblem thing on having a difficulty curve which is basically a playground slide: It gets extremely difficult extremely quickly (culminating at about, oh, chapter 3 of 25ish) as you climb the ladder, but then suddenly you hit the slide and it gets easier and easier as you go.

Sorry I meant rekka no ken(7) and sacred stones(8). The difficulty curve in Fire Emblem is quite frustrating. I enjoy doing solo or group character runs with a bit of wiggle room to make the game a high difficulty the whole way through.
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: mcmcsalot on May 17, 2013, 06:06:47 pm
That's awesome.  The next time I play LoL with your brother I should spout off ROTK quotes non-stop.

Why has this not come up before?!?!?
Title: Re: Computer and Video Games
Post by: Tables on May 17, 2013, 06:12:53 pm
I'm a pretty avid Fire Emblem player.

Great games. Radiant Dawn is quite challenging at some points. Like when your sucky team has to fight your epic super buffed team.

I am quite in love with the fire emblem series, I have beaten the two for ds about 20 times each and the gamecube/wii about 10. Fully completeing and leveling in the post game of the ds games is one of the most fun things ever. Running out of all items/money while upgrading stats and having to clear tower levels using only summoners is hilarious.

The two for DS? You have the Japanese one? Or are you talking about Awakening?

I'm personally not a fan of post-game grinding, especially not in a series like Fire Emblem. But I do love the FE games. I've recently been playing Awakening on 3DS, which I've just completed on Lunatic CLA mode without any grinding... fun stuff. Unfortunately it's done the somewhat common Fire Emblem thing on having a difficulty curve which is basically a playground slide: It gets extremely difficult extremely quickly (culminating at about, oh, chapter 3 of 25ish) as you climb the ladder, but then suddenly you hit the slide and it gets easier and easier as you go.

Sorry I meant rekka no ken(7) and sacred stones(8). The difficulty curve in Fire Emblem is quite frustrating. I enjoy doing solo or group character runs with a bit of wiggle room to make the game a high difficulty the whole way through.

Ah, right, the GBA ones. Yeah. I'm actually currently making a simple romhack for Sacred Stones to up the difficulty, since I really enjoy that one but it's a little on the easy side. Basic plan is to increase all enemy growths by 20%, all enemy HP by an additional 5 points and start them all 5 levels higher. So they start with about 8-10 more HP and 2-4 in every other stat, and keep getting stronger. So far it's still too easy though :(. People jokingly call it Fire Ephraim: The Sacred Seth for a reason, I guess...
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Post by: mcmcsalot on May 17, 2013, 06:32:18 pm
I'm a pretty avid Fire Emblem player.

Great games. Radiant Dawn is quite challenging at some points. Like when your sucky team has to fight your epic super buffed team.

I am quite in love with the fire emblem series, I have beaten the two for ds about 20 times each and the gamecube/wii about 10. Fully completeing and leveling in the post game of the ds games is one of the most fun things ever. Running out of all items/money while upgrading stats and having to clear tower levels using only summoners is hilarious.

The two for DS? You have the Japanese one? Or are you talking about Awakening?

I'm personally not a fan of post-game grinding, especially not in a series like Fire Emblem. But I do love the FE games. I've recently been playing Awakening on 3DS, which I've just completed on Lunatic CLA mode without any grinding... fun stuff. Unfortunately it's done the somewhat common Fire Emblem thing on having a difficulty curve which is basically a playground slide: It gets extremely difficult extremely quickly (culminating at about, oh, chapter 3 of 25ish) as you climb the ladder, but then suddenly you hit the slide and it gets easier and easier as you go.

Sorry I meant rekka no ken(7) and sacred stones(8). The difficulty curve in Fire Emblem is quite frustrating. I enjoy doing solo or group character runs with a bit of wiggle room to make the game a high difficulty the whole way through.

Ah, right, the GBA ones. Yeah. I'm actually currently making a simple romhack for Sacred Stones to up the difficulty, since I really enjoy that one but it's a little on the easy side. Basic plan is to increase all enemy growths by 20%, all enemy HP by an additional 5 points and start them all 5 levels higher. So they start with about 8-10 more HP and 2-4 in every other stat, and keep getting stronger. So far it's still too easy though :(. People jokingly call it Fire Ephraim: The Sacred Seth for a reason, I guess...

Ah yes, I almost always confine myself to no use of leaders, it makes it much more difficult due to not having their power and you then have to defend them since they have to be in the battle.
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Post by: Lekkit on May 18, 2013, 01:12:49 am
I remember my friend playing Rekka no Ken, getting to the end, and failing the Nergal mission over and over. Me and a friend tried to help him, but ended up telling him to play the game all over again. Eliwood was lvl 12 and Lyn was lvl 6. It wasn't easy. And yes, we weren't that good.

A fun anecdote about Sacred Stones. After the game had been out for a month or so, most of the people I knew who played FE had beaten the game, so naturally there was a lot of talking about it. One of the guys said he lost one guy to the final boss. As he said so everyone raised their eyebrows, and basically said "How is that even possible?". The guy responded with "I didn't know he could walk.". Neither did we.
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Post by: mcmcsalot on May 18, 2013, 01:17:15 am
I remember my friend playing Rekka no Ken, getting to the end, and failing the Nergal mission over and over. Me and a friend tried to help him, but ended up telling him to play the game all over again. Eliwood was lvl 12 and Lyn was lvl 6. It wasn't easy. And yes, we weren't that good.

A fun anecdote about Sacred Stones. After the game had been out for a month or so, most of the people I knew who played FE had beaten the game, so naturally there was a lot of talking about it. One of the guys said he lost one guy to the final boss. As he said so everyone raised their eyebrows, and basically said "How is that even possible?". The guy responded with "I didn't know he could walk.". Neither did we.

Haha yes, though SS endgame is silly, you just make sure you have never used the dragon stone and she kills everyone in 1 hit gaining a lvl per kill, 20 uses later you have 30 uses as a full level dragon.
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Post by: Lekkit on May 18, 2013, 02:29:33 am
I've actually never used her at all.
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Post by: Tables on May 18, 2013, 03:25:35 am
Well, I wouldn't use Myrrh in endgame if I hadn't trained her at all before it. Her defence and offence are pretty awful at low levels, but she gains stats quickly. If I want to use her I'll try and get her to level 10ish ASAP.

But that chapter is still pretty ridiculous. Equip everyone with sacred twins, you now have an army with nothing but 30-40 might weapons against still easy enemies. Even Lyon    goes down pretty easily - you can kill him in one turn actually without too much difficulty IIRC.
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Post by: dondon151 on May 18, 2013, 05:46:00 pm
Of course it's possible given the tools that you have at that point, but Lyon has an absurd amount of defense. Actually, most bosses in FE8 are very strong relative to normal enemies. I had to rig a 6% Pierce on Lyon in 0% growths in order to 3-turn the first part of Final (on top of attacking twice with Duessel).
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Post by: Titandrake on May 19, 2013, 02:10:30 am
This must be what reading Dominion Strategy is like for people who haven't played Dominion before.

The only turn based RPG I've played is FFTA. I played a bit of Disgaea, but lost interest pretty quickly.
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Post by: heron on May 19, 2013, 12:55:59 pm
This must be what reading Dominion Strategy is like for people who haven't played Dominion before.

I played one game of dominion with really weird rules misconceptions*, then read the DS blog and forums for two months with no idea what anybody was talking about, and then started playing isotropic. I get obsessed like that. This feels about the same, minus the obsession.

*One of which was that you could just trash cards whenever you like. Somehow no one noticed how this makes torturer really bad. Also if you had no cards left in your deck (but some in the discard) you became immune to saboteurs. It was weird.
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Post by: shMerker on July 02, 2013, 04:50:51 pm
So who likes RPGs? I've been playing Final Fantasy IX for the first time lately and I'm loving it. I was surprised by the more straight high fantasy setting because most of the more recent games in the series have gone in a more sci-fi direction that I never really dug. This is great though if you like daring thieves, noble knights, and princesses in disguise.
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Post by: jsh357 on July 02, 2013, 05:01:39 pm
So who likes RPGs? I've been playing Final Fantasy IX for the first time lately and I'm loving it. I was surprised by the more straight high fantasy setting because most of the more recent games in the series have gone in a more sci-fi direction that I never really dug. This is great though if you like daring thieves, noble knights, and princesses in disguise.

Most of the games I play are JRPGs.  I liked FFIX a lot back when it came out, though now the brutal load times have tarnished the game for me.  Still, it's really fantastic on the first playthrough, that's for sure.  I too wish that Final Fantasy would go back to (mostly) swords and sorcery, but at least there's always Dragon Quest.

Currently I am playing Ni No Kuni.  It's way too simplistic, but so pretty that I keep playing it.  Definitely recommended if you like the genre and have a PS3 though.
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Post by: Awaclus on July 02, 2013, 05:19:04 pm
So who likes RPGs? I've been playing Final Fantasy IX for the first time lately and I'm loving it. I was surprised by the more straight high fantasy setting because most of the more recent games in the series have gone in a more sci-fi direction that I never really dug. This is great though if you like daring thieves, noble knights, and princesses in disguise.
Me! Currently replaying Jade Empire on the Jade Master difficulty. Great game despite the camera issues. I'm also a huge fan of the Aveyond series. Out of those, Aveyond I is probably my favorite and Ahriman's Prophecy is a close second. The rest are very good, too.

And then there's always Conquer Online, which I sometimes play actively and sometimes don't.

Do visual novels count as RPGs?
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Post by: shMerker on July 02, 2013, 05:36:25 pm
That's not really what I had in mind, no.

jsh: I enjoyed Dragon Quest IX quite a bit. Do you have any recommendations about which other ones are most worth playing?
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Post by: jsh357 on July 02, 2013, 06:00:56 pm
DQIX is very much a beginner's entry in the series.  A lot of the challenge was toned down to focus on post game and multiplayer.

8 is the best game in the series in my opinion and the one I'd most readily recommend.  It was (like 9) developed by Level 5 and they did a great job putting a modern touch on the series.  The game has the most memorable characters in the series and a simple but effective skill system.

I really like 7, but it's over a hundred hours long and more for hardcore fans.  This game is for exploration nuts.  You save towns in the past, then revisit them in the future and slowly rebuild the entire world.  It's tedious, but worth it if you're in to that kind of thing.  If you want a more scaled down version of the same idea, I highly recommend playing Soul Blazer, Illusion of Gaia and Terranigma for the SNES instead.  If you still want to play 7, I'd wait for the 3DS version (and hope we get it outside of Japan)

4 and 5 are both pretty easy to get in to and are both wonderful games.  4's got a split narrative among 8 party members who all come together eventually.  It was an NES game, so it's not very deep story-wise, but the gameplay has a great difficulty curve.  5 is the second-easiest game in the series after 9 and it has a story based around a boy who grows in to a man, gets married and has kids by the end.  You really get attached to him throughout the game, and it is a lot of DQ fans' favorite entry in the series.  Both of these games were released on the DS, though they might be hard to find.  I prefer those ports.

3 is also great.  It's very open-ended in the middle portion, making it feel somewhat like the original Legend of Zelda or the second half of Final Fantasy VI.  The plot is bare bones NES stuff, but in the older games all you care about is the challenge anyway.  It has the same job system as DQIX (a little bit simpler) and much more challenging enemies.  I recommend playing the Super Famicom port with a translation patch.

I don't care for the first two games, and 6 is a bit of a black sheep (though it's a good game).  They aren't ones I'd recommend until you've played other games in the series.
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Post by: heron on July 02, 2013, 11:13:04 pm
I would most highly recommend the games of Spiderweb Software, a small three-person company which does absolutely brilliant work.
Their games have:
-Great storylines, especially the newer ones. The older ones are more open-ended though, so you might prefer that.
-Important Non-Combat stuff: The players decisions outside of combat make a huge impact on how the story ends up. These decisions range from tricking two people on the island who are as strong as you into killing each other to not using too many of the items which give you great power, and great insanity.
-Pretty fun combat stuff too, with adjustable difficulty levels. The hard ones are like, hard, and the normal one is fun. Casual is a breeze.

So yeah, the best game they have is Geneforge I, although it is a bit dated. If you are looking for something more up to date, try Avernum: Escape from the Pit.

Also of great import: They have really big free demos to try! Try them! They are fun!
 
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Post by: Awaclus on February 05, 2015, 07:36:22 pm
I just finished playing Silent Hill 2 for the first time. It's kind of interesting to see that survival horror works incredibly well even with badly outdated graphics and such, yet the genre itself has evolved significantly since then. There were times when I could have just moved on in the game, but instead I just felt like running around in a town full of monsters because I knew that there would be bullets and health drinks that I could pick up, because I knew that the monsters couldn't catch me if I ran, and then there were times when I knew I could have just ran away from the monsters, but instead I just felt like killing them because it was completely safe and rather entertaining; partially because the monsters were dumb so I could just kill them with the weakest melee weapon without even getting hit, and partially because I had picked up all of those bullets and health drinks that I hardly ever ended up using. And the camera was so frustrating. But the story was excellent, the music was excellent, the soundscape was excellent, and the atmosphere was excellent. This goes without saying, but if you haven't played it yet, you should.

In any case, I want to play Silent Hill 3 now, but it's apparently a direct sequel to Silent Hill 1. Can I get away with just watching the movie adaptation of Silent Hill 1?
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Post by: Davio on February 06, 2015, 04:31:00 am
I'm actually (re)playing Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth.

Survival horror fps is fun, I also enjoyed the F.E.A.R. series.
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Post by: Asper on February 09, 2015, 10:55:59 am
Two of my favourite games of all times are Banjo-Kazooie and Donkey Kong Country 2. Shortly after that follow Super Metroid, Blazblue - Calamity Trigger, Minecraft and Kirby Superstar. I also really liked Roller Coaster Tycoon (now that it was mentioned recently) and i am playing Super Smash Bros for Wii U like a maniac recently (friends, i need more friends!). Honorable mention goes to Metal Slug 3.
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Post by: Asper on February 09, 2015, 11:00:06 am
So who likes RPGs?

Like... Earthbound? That's the only RPG i played and really liked, actually. Then again, i recently tend to defend myself against games that i know would take too much of my free time away. Not that I'm successful with that.

Shame on me, but the only Square-Enix games i massively played were Kingdom Hearts I & II. Is that what you call guilty pleasure?