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Title: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on October 22, 2012, 08:35:31 am
I know this has come up a few times, but I more and more think that we need some sort of community-driven wiki for Dominion.
This would be especially useful for all the articles. We don't need to edit a list in a thread to link to all of the articles. Also many of the articles are already outdated by 2-3 expansions. And rather than someone has to write an article for all the left out cards or update the old articles, the community could put together articles for those cards, because - you know - there are many of them.

But there are more reasons:
Also, the FAQ gets quite big and an wiki could help sort that out. It's also the perfect place for explaining all the Dominion Lingo.
It also has come up that lists of cards that share certain criteria would be nice. This could easily be solved by categories in wikis.
Tournaments and Events could also be edited there.
Many more...

But...

Do you agree or do you think that this isn't necessary?
If you agree, how do we set this up?
Could theory install a wiki on dominionstrategy? Or would it be best to use a hosted wiki, like wikia?
 
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Brando Commando on October 22, 2012, 09:41:41 am
I totally agree and was just thinking this. A lot of the information has become hard to navigate in a convenient way.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Captain_Frisk on October 22, 2012, 09:48:32 am
Damn you for stealing my +1s.  I've been yelling at theory for this for a long time.

From 12/9/2011:
me: have you considered creating a wiki?
  i know there was a discussion
 Theory: i'm seriously considering starting twilightstrategy.com
  yes
  i should
  it's quite a bit of upfront work
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: greatexpectations on October 22, 2012, 09:53:46 am
What this site needs eventually is a wiki.  This will involve a lot of technical stuff that both rrenaud and I will agree is necessary, and both rrenaud and I imagine that the other will do it, and it never really happens for a while.  But I think we have evolved to the point where a wiki would be very helpful for the community.  Until then, we will just manage as-is.

that is theory's comment when the idea was proposed on here a few months ago. seeing as how rrenaud has lost interest in keeping up with council room, i doubt he would have interest in maintaining a wiki now.

if people wanted to actually see this happen we would probably need to see some serious contributions in getting it started on the technical end of things. between the FAQ (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=1994.0) and Card Article List (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=3073.0) alone we have a ton of content, so that isn't so big an issue.

but beyond even the technical/maintenance side of things we would also need to hammer out rules and formatting:
- can just anyone update the wiki? select users only? regular posters? a free for all could be a mess and a nightmare for the mods.
- creating and agreeing on a generic card article template.
- separate wiki pages for combos as well as cards?

i'm sure there are many other talking points but that is a good start.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Captain_Frisk on October 22, 2012, 09:57:20 am
I would argue in favor of start with full anon access.  If it gets trolled - then upgrade it to logged in access.  If someone comes in and starts adding a "big deck analysis" section to every card, then maybe some moderator activity would be required
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on October 22, 2012, 09:58:15 am
It's not about stealing +1s, especially as I have said "I know this has come up a few times".
It's more like this:

Code: [Select]
if( this.manyAgree() ){
  if( !theory.want() ||  !theory.haveTime() ||  !theory.isAble() ){
    community.setUp( wiki.getBestWiki() );
  } else{
    theory.setUp( wiki.getLocal() );
  }
} else{
  this.ignore();
}
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: theory on October 22, 2012, 10:00:02 am
I don't know how to set up a wiki, and I don't think rrenaud knows either.  I absolutely do not want a free-hosted wikia wiki.

If you're someone who's been around this forum for a while and want to set one up for us, we'll help you and give you access to the server and all.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on October 22, 2012, 10:10:09 am
I installed MediaWiki once locally, it was very easy. You only need a PHP and a databse, e.g. mySQL.
It depends on the board wiki we choose and configuration of the web server.
I'm really no admin, but I could do it. But I rather mod the wiki, if you ask me.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: greatexpectations on October 22, 2012, 10:15:20 am
I would argue in favor of start with full anon access.  If it gets trolled - then upgrade it to logged in access.  If someone comes in and starts adding a "big deck analysis" section to every card, then maybe some moderator activity would be required

yeah, i was thinking more along the lines of lower quality content and analysis, but trolling could be a legitimate problem too.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Ozle on October 22, 2012, 10:31:12 am
Does your hosting not just have a bolt on Wiki? Mine does. Once its installed you could just let some hand picked people work on setting up the pages

Although thinking about it, I can'  imagine you are on a simple hosting package like I am!
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: hsiale on October 22, 2012, 11:04:52 am
I think anyone who starts setting up the wiki should take a look at http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/start - this is a wiki about a card game integrated with a forum (forum existed first). A great feature is that when you mention a card's name on the forum it gets autolinked to this card's wiki page.

Of course there is a problem with not enough content - pages of most cards are default templates. But Dominion has 20 times less cards and 20 times more players, so I think the problem would be way smaller here.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Captain_Frisk on October 22, 2012, 11:08:54 am
I think anyone who starts setting up the wiki should take a look at http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/start - this is a wiki about a card game integrated with a forum (forum existed first). A great feature is that when you mention a card's name on the forum it gets autolinked to this card's wiki page.

Of course there is a problem with not enough content - pages of most cards are default templates. But Dominion has 20 times less cards and 20 times more players, so I think the problem would be way smaller here.

Seems nice except for the giant ad banner.  Mine is a Romney / Ryan ad.  Is that an official sponsorship - or is it taking into account the amount of money I waste on board games and think that I'm 1%?
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Octo on October 22, 2012, 11:12:35 am
Could I suggest if this does go ahead that contrary to things already stated you start with logged in access not anon (though freedom to setup account) otherwise you tend to just end up with a ton of spam-bots posting crap on it (or at least that's been my experience with modding wikis and stuff). Not the end of the world, but a pain in the arse to clean up unless you're checking it all the time.

I've not set up a media wiki before, but I work in PHP and MySQL/DBs all day, so how hard can it be? :) I'll give it a whirl locally when I have some spare time this week and see what the crack is with it. (Though it sounds like I'm in a similar boat to Qvist in that I'm not really a server admin - I have done the odd bit here and there though)
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on October 22, 2012, 11:22:10 am
I think anyone who starts setting up the wiki should take a look at http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/start - this is a wiki about a card game integrated with a forum (forum existed first). A great feature is that when you mention a card's name on the forum it gets autolinked to this card's wiki page.

Of course there is a problem with not enough content - pages of most cards are default templates. But Dominion has 20 times less cards and 20 times more players, so I think the problem would be way smaller here.

Welcome to the forums and thanks for the hint. I'm not 100% sure, but I think that i would be more of a forum feature than a wiki feature because the forum has to parse for strings and auto-link to the wiki. So it's probably wiki independant. And I think instead of parsing a special tag would be better. How about other forums/wikis? How are MtG wikis/forums organized? I found MtG Salvation which also has a MediaWiki.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: hsiale on October 22, 2012, 01:13:22 pm
Seems nice except for the giant ad banner.  Mine is a Romney / Ryan ad.  Is that an official sponsorship - or is it taking into account the amount of money I waste on board games and think that I'm 1%?
No idea. I think it shows ads only when you're not logged in, I've never seen any banners there.

I'm not 100% sure, but I think that i would be more of a forum feature than a wiki feature
Very possible - autolinking (to a page simply showing image of the card and some very basic info about it) existed at the forum before the wiki was set up.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Kirian on October 22, 2012, 02:53:13 pm
Seems nice except for the giant ad banner.  Mine is a Romney / Ryan ad.  Is that an official sponsorship - or is it taking into account the amount of money I waste on board games and think that I'm 1%?

Actually, it thinks you're the 1% based on your upvotes vs. posts here.

(Actually actually, it's probably just a random banner ad via an ad service.)

Also, I'll put in another vote for MediaWiki.  Very easy to use and should be simple to install.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: dondon151 on October 23, 2012, 01:53:38 pm
From 12/9/2011:
me: have you considered creating a wiki?
  i know there was a discussion
 Theory: i'm seriously considering starting twilightstrategy.com

I don't know if it's just me, but taken out of context, this non sequitur is hilarious.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: theory on October 23, 2012, 01:58:56 pm
#fasttypistproblems
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Ozle on October 23, 2012, 02:00:51 pm
#fatfingerproblems

FTFY
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on October 23, 2012, 07:19:13 pm
Ok, back to topic. A voluntary to set this up? If not, I will do it.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: () | (_) ^/ on October 23, 2012, 08:22:57 pm
Ok, back to topic. A voluntary to set this up? If not, I will do it.

Sounds like we have our voluntary!  ;D
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on October 25, 2012, 06:42:20 pm
So, let's get this started. http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com

Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: jonts26 on October 25, 2012, 06:50:18 pm
You forgot the promo cards in the master list at the bottom.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: theory on October 25, 2012, 06:52:52 pm
Requested an account :)
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: jonts26 on October 25, 2012, 06:56:54 pm
Requested an account :)

Me too. Can't wait to start drawing ascii penises everywhere contributing valuable content.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: theory on October 25, 2012, 06:59:12 pm
Is the standard DS logo large enough for the wiki logo?  http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/gold.jpeg
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: rrenaud on October 25, 2012, 07:03:19 pm
Requested an account :)

Me too. Can't wait to start drawing ascii penises everywhere contributing valuable content.

why not contribute valuable ascii penises?
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on October 25, 2012, 07:04:13 pm
No, but it hasn't a transparent background. And I'm not good in image editing. Maybe I can add a 3 in the image I'm currently using. ;)
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on October 25, 2012, 07:05:14 pm
You forgot the promo cards in the master list at the bottom.

Base Cards, Prize Cards etc are also missing. Now you can add them yourself...
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: ftl on October 25, 2012, 07:07:36 pm
Account requested! I'll find time to start adding cards and such!

This should be good.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: ftl on October 25, 2012, 07:13:50 pm
How should we handle articles and such that are posted on dominionstrategy? Should they be duplicated onto the wiki? Or linked?

I would probably think duplicated onto the wiki so they can be updated with interactions with cards from Dark Ages and new expansions and such.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on October 25, 2012, 07:15:32 pm
How should we handle articles and such that are posted on dominionstrategy? Should they be duplicated onto the wiki? Or linked?

I would probably think duplicated onto the wiki so they can be updated with interactions with cards from Dark Ages and new expansions and such.

Yeah, I would duplicate it for exactly this reason to update it.
Just be sure to add a link to the original and mention the original editor, IMO.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: jonts26 on October 25, 2012, 07:24:17 pm
You forgot the promo cards in the master list at the bottom.

Base Cards, Prize Cards etc are also missing. Now you can add them yourself...

OK, I'm trying to add them, but it seems to not work. All of the syntax and everything looks right, but when I hit preview, nothing has changed.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: () | (_) ^/ on October 25, 2012, 07:29:18 pm
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Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on October 25, 2012, 07:30:14 pm
What did you do? Adding a 10th row? Because the template was only designed for up 9 rows. I just extended it up to 15 rows. I don't think there's something like loops in wiki?!?

I went to request an account...  But it says that my username is not valid.  Oh woe is me.  This is the only name that I've ever used in the history of the totality of my online life.  Actually, for longer than that.  Even before.  My mother used to call me () | (_) ^/ when I was in trouble.  My Pa and I got along well... he would just call me () |, and still does to this day.  Sometimes, kids at school made fun of me, calling me     |3 () (_) ^/     () | (_) ^/    , but I didn't let it bother me too much as I really did like swimming.

Anyhoo... if I use a different username, will you still approve me?

If you promise to add valuable content (penises excluded). Just leave in the comments your f.ds user name.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: () | (_) ^/ on October 25, 2012, 07:32:50 pm
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Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on October 25, 2012, 07:34:51 pm
I think we're getting more and more off-topic. Let's just say "appropiate content".  :P
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: ftl on October 25, 2012, 07:36:30 pm
Hmm... I tried to sign up and it said it would send me a confirmation message, but it hasn't. I tried to sign up again with a different email, but my username was already taken. I hope I didn't mistype my email the first time. This is not off to a good start on my end!
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Hks on October 25, 2012, 07:39:56 pm
Wow. Awesome, Qvist! Can't wait for it to take shape! :D
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on October 25, 2012, 07:43:30 pm
Hm. ftl, I confirmed your request a while ago. Not sure, is your mail address right? Maybe it's in the spam folder??
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: ftl on October 25, 2012, 07:45:13 pm
That's what I thought... I checked my spam folder and my regular folder, nothing. (I just requested a new one with a different email, and this one went through immediately and I got the confirmation immediately, not filtered or anything. I must have mistyped my email the first time with a typo or something, and now I can't get at the account because it just sends account details to that broken email. Or, that's my guess.)
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: ftl on October 25, 2012, 07:46:56 pm
new one works now! I don't have time right now but I'll definitely start working on this later today, add some cards and some of the articles and things.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Dsell on October 25, 2012, 07:50:28 pm
You might also add cards like ruins and spoils to the $0 cards list?
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: jonts26 on October 25, 2012, 07:59:26 pm
OK, got the courtyard pages looking respectable. My work here is done.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: jonts26 on October 25, 2012, 08:01:19 pm
Also is there a good resource for the individual card illustrators anywhere?
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on October 25, 2012, 08:08:55 pm
You might also add cards like ruins and spoils to the $0 cards list?

Yeah, Ruins, Shelters, Individual Knights, Prize Cards, Spoils, Madman and Mercenary are still left.
Ruins, Shelters should maybe fit to "Common", the other ones maybe in a special Non-Supply Cards Category. I don't know.


It's 2am here. I will now go to bed. Pending Registrations have to wait until tomorrow.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Dsell on October 25, 2012, 08:19:58 pm
I was thinking the prizes, Mercenary, and Madman would probly just go with their associated cards, but it makes sense to have them on there too. I was forgetting shelters, good thinking there.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: jonts26 on October 25, 2012, 08:32:41 pm
I made some changes to the navbox. I added just a general category for Prizes next to tournament and madman next to hermit and merc next to urchin. I think this is a good way to do it, though feel free to disagree. I don't know that it's necessary to have every individual prize and knight in the navbox. We can link to individual pages from the card pages.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: jonts26 on October 25, 2012, 09:37:13 pm
OK, so I've been thinking that maybe having the navbox with every card on the bottom is a bit much. Plus there are probably some other big categories of pages we might want to give quick access to.

Would it make sense to just have a much smaller navbox with categories like Card List, FAQ, Strategy Articles, Lingo, etc, which would link to index pages?
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Schneau on October 25, 2012, 09:51:29 pm
I read the extensive Terms of Service (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/DominionStrategy_Wiki:Terms_of_Service) and then requested an account!
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: thirtyseven on October 25, 2012, 10:05:12 pm
Registered... add me when you can! -~~~~
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: theory on October 25, 2012, 10:45:33 pm
Also is there a good resource for the individual card illustrators anywhere?

Other than the card itself?
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: jonts26 on October 25, 2012, 10:50:14 pm
Also is there a good resource for the individual card illustrators anywhere?

Other than the card itself?

Well, I want to just copy/paste the text rather than having to go through card by card, making sure I spelled it right.

There are a lot of them.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: ftl on October 25, 2012, 11:15:57 pm
The works with/conflicts with sections of the articles should go in the "synergies/combos" and "antisynergies" sections, right?
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: ftl on October 25, 2012, 11:27:15 pm
Ima just start going through the cards in order, from Cellar on up.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: DStu on October 26, 2012, 05:44:27 am
I read the extensive Terms of Service (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/DominionStrategy_Wiki:Terms_of_Service) and then requested an account!
... but after I got one, I got stuck with "You will probably want to read the help pages (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?title=Help:Contents&action=edit&redlink=1)."
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: DStu on October 26, 2012, 06:12:03 am
Also is there a good resource for the individual card illustrators anywhere?
I just did Alchemy by the BGG thread http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/539027/dominion-alchemy-a-review-of-the-art . Came there by google dominion alchemy art. Don't know if these exists for other expansions.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: DStu on October 26, 2012, 08:29:50 am
Quote
Content is available under Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial Share Alike.
Should probably clarify somewhere that the arts is not CC-SA-NC.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on October 26, 2012, 09:49:46 am
Quote
Content is available under Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial Share Alike.
Should probably clarify somewhere that the arts is not CC-SA-NC.

I agree. Could you do that?
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: DStu on October 26, 2012, 09:51:55 am
Quote
Content is available under Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial Share Alike.
Should probably clarify somewhere that the arts is not CC-SA-NC.

I agree. Could you do that?
IANAL. Theory?

And actually, that's in the main template. Don't know where that is...
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on October 26, 2012, 09:53:33 am
Quote
Content is available under Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial Share Alike.
Should probably clarify somewhere that the arts is not CC-SA-NC.

I agree. Could you do that?
IANAL. Theory?

And actually, that's in the main template. Don't know where that is...

Me neither. ;)
Do you mean in the footer? Or somewhere in the Disclaimer?
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: DStu on October 26, 2012, 09:54:53 am
Quote
Content is available under Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial Share Alike.
Should probably clarify somewhere that the arts is not CC-SA-NC.

I agree. Could you do that?
IANAL. Theory?

And actually, that's in the main template. Don't know where that is...

Me neither. ;)
Do you mean in the footer? Or somewhere in the Disclaimer?

Disclaimer is empty. Copyright notice is in the footer of each page, which is defined somewhere I can't find it. Probably I can't even access it, because it belongs to the design of the wiki.

edit: Wikipedia on this topic:
Quote from: wikipedia
Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License; additional terms may apply. See Terms of Use for details.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on October 26, 2012, 09:58:22 am
Quote
Content is available under Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial Share Alike.
Should probably clarify somewhere that the arts is not CC-SA-NC.

I agree. Could you do that?
IANAL. Theory?

And actually, that's in the main template. Don't know where that is...

Me neither. ;)
Do you mean in the footer? Or somewhere in the Disclaimer?

Disclaimer is empty. Copyright notice is in the footer of each page, which is defined somewhere I can't find it. Probably I can't even access it, because it belongs to the design of the wiki.

No, I meant: Where should the info go to? If it should go into the footer, then I have to edit the design (like you've said).
Either way, let's wait for theory or someone who knows about this stuff.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: DStu on October 26, 2012, 10:06:05 am
Quote
Content is available under Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial Share Alike.
Should probably clarify somewhere that the arts is not CC-SA-NC.

I agree. Could you do that?
IANAL. Theory?

And actually, that's in the main template. Don't know where that is...

Me neither. ;)
Do you mean in the footer? Or somewhere in the Disclaimer?

Disclaimer is empty. Copyright notice is in the footer of each page, which is defined somewhere I can't find it. Probably I can't even access it, because it belongs to the design of the wiki.

No, I meant: Where should the info go to? If it should go into the footer, then I have to edit the design (like you've said).
Either way, let's wait for theory or someone who knows about this stuff.
Ah ok. I think footer is fine like in wikipedia. Just license the text CC-Whatever there. I would just not mention other media, at least you are not claiming a wrong license this way. As this is on dominionstrategy.com, it's US-based, and we should have fair use for the pictures. But some lawperson's thoughts on this would be nice.

With text, we of course also relicense something under CC that was not posted with this license in the first place (Donald's secret histories, guest articles on the blog), don't know if that's a problem...
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Drab Emordnilap on October 26, 2012, 10:24:09 am
Do we talk about style stuff here, or on the wiki somewhere?

http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Embargo#Official_FAQ

I think the bulleted list for FAQ looks better than the wall of text copied straight from the rulebook. Also, we're linking cards whenever they appear in other articles, right?

EDIT: Is there a way to make the footer box collapsable, and collapsed by default? Also, could the footer be more specific? Like, Embargo have a footer for Seaside Cards, for instance.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: theory on October 26, 2012, 02:52:19 pm
I confirmed some more accounts.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: jonts26 on October 26, 2012, 03:19:12 pm
General discussion can go on the discuss part of the main page.

http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Talk:Main_Page
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: zporiri on October 26, 2012, 03:37:11 pm
i requested an account, i'm a level 36 who would like to contribute to the wiki
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on October 27, 2012, 06:17:17 am
Just approved another few accounts.
The wiki keeps growing and growing. Thanks for all your contribution.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Brando Commando on October 27, 2012, 07:02:59 am
Do we talk about style stuff here, or on the wiki somewhere?

http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Embargo#Official_FAQ

I think the bulleted list for FAQ looks better than the wall of text copied straight from the rulebook. Also, we're linking cards whenever they appear in other articles, right?

EDIT: Is there a way to make the footer box collapsable, and collapsed by default? Also, could the footer be more specific? Like, Embargo have a footer for Seaside Cards, for instance.

I am jazzed about this. I think we ought to start migrating everything possible to the wiki itself, if for no other reason than to just avoid lots of cross-talk that refers to conversations on both the forum and within the wiki. However, I suppose that depends on who's able to write and edit within the wiki.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: michaeljb on October 28, 2012, 06:25:08 pm
So by using some Emacs macro magic, I was able to quickly generate individual text files for each card's FAQ (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3u1wmdvniqkb6xs/jJS4du-sRJ/Dominion%20Card%20FAQs)*. Now the question is, is there a way to automate the wiki updating to quickly pull these individual files in?
Or more generally, a good way to generate/edit wiki pages other than going through them one at a time, clicking on various links to edit different sections, etc..

*Hinterlands and the promos are not included yet; the Hinterlands rules pdf from RGG's site does not have selectable text, and they don't have the rules for the promos up there. Also the coin, potion and victory point symbols didn't copy into the plaintext, and other issues may also exist.

edit: grammar

update:
Now I have generated pages for Dark Ages and Cornucopia in the proper template, with card FAQ. Don't have time to copy them over into the actual wiki right now, but here they are (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/a3acz7qcwk3kbwn/G8Km2eelBY). Dark Ages doesn't have a page for any Knights right now, and none of them have the illustrator, and the card text section I don't think is formatted the same as all the others right now.

update 2: added Prosperity to the same Dropbox dir
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: CPFB on October 28, 2012, 09:51:03 pm
I realize I haven't been active in the community, but I would like to help populate the wiki. I have requested access. Thanks and I'm looking forward to contributing.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: michaeljb on October 29, 2012, 02:44:07 am
Also is there a good resource for the individual card illustrators anywhere?

Other than the card itself?

Well, I want to just copy/paste the text rather than having to go through card by card, making sure I spelled it right.

There are a lot of them.

Actually I think the illustrators may be in the text of the PDFs. I'll try to see if I can parse them out of there.

update
think I worked out a method for getting illustrators, here are the Seaside illustrators:
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Ambassador: Alexander Jung
Bazaar: Martin Hoffmann
Caravan: Marcel-André Casasola-Merkle
Cutpurse: Martin Hoffmann
Embargo: Harald Lieske
Explorer: Dennis Lohausen
Fishing Village: Harald Lieske
Ghost Ship: Matthias Catrein
Haven: Claus Stephan
Island: Franz Vohwinkel
Lighthouse: Marcel-André Casasola-Merkle
Lookout: Alejandro Gutierrez Franco
Merchant Ship: Ryan Laukat
Native Village: Franz Vohwinkel
Navigator: Maura Kalusky
Outpost: Claus Stephan
Pearl Diver: Maura Kalusky
Pirate Ship: Franz Vohwinkel
Salvager: RC Torres
Sea Hag: Christof Tisch
Smugglers: RC Torres
Tactician: Martin Hoffmann
Treasure Map: Matthias Catrein
Treasury: Ryan Laukat
Warehouse: Julien Delval
Wharf: Simon Samuelsson

edit/update:
maybe not...It doesn't look like it's working for the Prosperity rulebook. Basically I just highlighted everything in the pdf, copy-pasted it into a text file, and for the Seaside one found where the text is stored for the card images to the right of the descriptions, but it looks like the text from the Prosperity pdf isn't laid out (or at least, copied over) as consistently.

update:
after some more playing around, came up with a macro that gets the right illustrator if I manually put the cursor in the right starting place; the one I wrote to grab the Seaside illustrators was essentially finding the right place automatically, so I could just iterate it a bunch of times instead of stepping through. Stepping through with a macro still beats typing up each artist individually, so here are the Dark Ages artists (I should probably go ahead and just stick these into the page files I have on my Dropbox, not right now though. I should get to bed  :P )
Code: [Select]
Abandoned Mine: Claus Stefan
Altar: Matthias Catrein
Armory: Marcel-Andre Cassasola-Merkle
Band of Misfits: RC Torres
Bandit Camp: RC Torres
Beggar: Garrett DeChellis
Catacombs: Marcel-Andre Cassasola-Merkle
Count: Dennis Lohausen
Counterfeit: Ryan Laukat
Cultist: Jason Slavin
Death Cart: Marco Morte
Feodum: Matthias Catrein
Forager: Eric J Carter
Fortress: Marco Morte
Graverobber: Julien Delval
Hermit: Claus Stefan
Hovel: Eric J Carter
Hunting Grounds: Simon Jannerland
Ironmonger: Dennis Lohausen
Junk Dealer: Kurt Miller
Knights: Matthias Catrein
Madman: Claus Stefan
Marauder: Franz Vohwinkel
Market Square: Lorraine Schleter
Mercenary: Martin Hoffman
Mystic: Alayna Lemmer
Necropolis: Brian Brinlee
Overgrown Estate: Martin Hoffman
Pillage: Claus Stefan
Poor House: Jessica Cox
Procession: Alex Drummond
Rats: Ian Kirkpatrick
Rebuild: Kurt Miller
Rogue: Jesse Mead
Ruined Library: Harald Lieske
Ruined Market: Marcel-Andre Cassasola-Merkle
Ruined Village: Doris Matthäus
Sage: Harald Lieske
Scavenger: Franz Vohwinkel
Spoils: Ryan Laukat
Squire: Harald Lieske
Storeroom: Alex Drummond
Survivors: Alex Drummond
Urchin: Martin Hoffman
Vagrant: Joshua Stewart
Wandering Minstrel: Guillaume Ducos
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: DStu on October 29, 2012, 03:16:01 am
So by using some Emacs macro magic, I was able to quickly generate individual text files for each card's FAQ (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3u1wmdvniqkb6xs/jJS4du-sRJ/Dominion%20Card%20FAQs)*. Now the question is, is there a way to automate the wiki updating to quickly pull these individual files in?
Or more generally, a good way to generate/edit wiki pages other than going through them one at a time, clicking on various links to edit different sections, etc..
Something like this (http://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Bots)?

Says that maybe API access needs special rights for the user account. Can't test this at the momet.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: michaeljb on October 29, 2012, 03:29:42 am
So by using some Emacs macro magic, I was able to quickly generate individual text files for each card's FAQ (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3u1wmdvniqkb6xs/jJS4du-sRJ/Dominion%20Card%20FAQs)*. Now the question is, is there a way to automate the wiki updating to quickly pull these individual files in?
Or more generally, a good way to generate/edit wiki pages other than going through them one at a time, clicking on various links to edit different sections, etc..
Something like this (http://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Bots)?

Says that maybe API access needs special rights for the user account. Can't test this at the momet.

Yeah, looks like that's what I'm looking for.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on October 29, 2012, 03:39:02 am
Wow, nice work.
But I'm not sure if it worth the work writing a bot for it.
Here are some APIs: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_code
And I can create a bot account for you.

@CPFB: If you are really willing to contribute, I activate your account. Any help is great.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: michaeljb on October 29, 2012, 04:27:53 am
Wow, nice work.
But I'm not sure if it worth the work writing a bot for it.
Here are some APIs: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_code
And I can create a bot account for you.

Cool, I'll take a closer look at that page tomorrow, if I'm not too busy with school with this week.

I was excited to find a way to quickly generate the necessary text for a card's page, but copy-pasting it into each individual card's page by hand just sounds tedious.

One more update on my Dropbox (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/a3acz7qcwk3kbwn/G8Km2eelBY) stuff: the Dark Ages pages there now have the illustrators, if anyone else wants to actually paste them into the wiki...  :P

And with that, I'm going to get some sleep, something I should have done a while ago  ;D
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: greatexpectations on October 30, 2012, 03:45:18 pm
i was finally able to get in and take a look at the wiki today. great stuff, well done everyone!

as for me, i just finished transporting most of the FAQ to the wiki. there are now fairly detailed pages for Goko, Isotropic, tournaments, and these forums. i suppose i will now join in the general slog of updating the individual card pages.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: jonts26 on October 30, 2012, 04:13:13 pm
i was finally able to get in and take a look at the wiki today. great stuff, well done everyone!

as for me, i just finished transporting most of the FAQ to the wiki. there are now fairly detailed pages for Goko, Isotropic, tournaments, and these forums. i suppose i will now join in the general slog of updating the individual card pages.

I spent a lot of time just created card pages and copy/pasting the articles from DS.com. A lot of these articles are in dire need of updating as they are several expansions out of date. The NV article doesnt even mention NV/bridge combo! Also formatting, page linking, etc.

Anyway, lots and lots more to do. And you can do either tedious grunt work (copy/paste, formatting work on dozens of articles) or more thoughtful article updates.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: eHalcyon on October 30, 2012, 04:57:30 pm
Now to build the Mafia section of this wiki....


(just kidding)
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: DStu on October 30, 2012, 05:04:07 pm
Not sure if will do much with it, but can you also give me a bot account?
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: ftl on October 30, 2012, 05:20:41 pm
I'm also going through in order, making sure all the parts of the pages are filled out (FAQ, History, illustrator, strategy) and pasting in the strategy article if there is one. Or writing a few words if there isn't.

I don't mind, it gives me a chance to read and think about all the cards, I suppose it's grunt work but oh well.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Insomniac on October 30, 2012, 05:28:29 pm
It's prompted me to think up a Tunnel Article because apparently there isn't one :S
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: michaeljb on October 30, 2012, 05:38:34 pm
Looks like I won't have much time to contribute during the week, but for anyone just slogging through the individual cards, feel free to use the pages I generated (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/a3acz7qcwk3kbwn/G8Km2eelBY) (or it might be useful for someone with a bot account or something). Maybe I'll be able to do more on the weekend.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: theory on October 30, 2012, 05:40:00 pm
When should I open it up to the public (i.e. link on blog + article)?
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: DStu on October 30, 2012, 05:42:44 pm
Looks like I won't have much time to contribute during the week, but for anyone just slogging through the individual cards, feel free to use the pages I generated (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/a3acz7qcwk3kbwn/G8Km2eelBY) (or it might be useful for someone with a bot account or something). Maybe I'll be able to do more on the weekend.

My preliminary investigation seems to show that this is bottable...
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: greatexpectations on October 30, 2012, 05:55:59 pm
When should I open it up to the public (i.e. link on blog + article)?

i guess we should wait until we have all of the card pages at least filled in with the basics.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Brando Commando on October 30, 2012, 06:42:59 pm
I've started filling in some Offical Rule Faqs, since this seemed like low-hanging fruit. Is there any problem with just cutting/pasting from the official faq PDFs on Rio Grande's site? I noticed some of the Base set cards that already have that filled in have that section broken into bullet points.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: jonts26 on October 30, 2012, 06:51:49 pm
I've started filling in some Offical Rule Faqs, since this seemed like low-hanging fruit. Is there any problem with just cutting/pasting from the official faq PDFs on Rio Grande's site? I noticed some of the Base set cards that already have that filled in have that section broken into bullet points.

If it makes sense to put things in bullets, do it. It's more reasonable for the wiki format.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Insomniac on October 30, 2012, 07:47:58 pm
I wrote the article but as I'm hoping to get feedback I don't necessarily want it on the wiki yet, which leads to a question, how do we decide when an article should be uploaded from here to the wiki?
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: ftl on October 30, 2012, 07:52:28 pm
The wiki should have a lower bar than the frontpage of ds I think. Wikis are made to be edited, so if version 1.0 isn't so good then it'll get improved.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Schneau on October 30, 2012, 08:04:24 pm
When should I open it up to the public (i.e. link on blog + article)?

One thing that should definitely be improved before announcing it to the public is a better front page. Right now it is a hodgepodge consisting of a small text welcoming, a table of outside links, a ToDo list, and the Kingdom card template (which I just noticed has both non-kingdom and non-supply cards in it, so that title will have to change). I think the whole thing needs a lot of work, and most of those four areas should either be removed or Upgraded (once we hit $5) before making it public. I'll start some discussion on the talk page of what we want it to look like so we can start moving that way.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Drab Emordnilap on October 30, 2012, 08:11:19 pm
I've started filling in some Offical Rule Faqs, since this seemed like low-hanging fruit. Is there any problem with just cutting/pasting from the official faq PDFs on Rio Grande's site? I noticed some of the Base set cards that already have that filled in have that section broken into bullet points.

I've been breaking the FAQs down into bullet points in my free time; I think looks cleaner that way, and no one's had any complaints so far. I've been making a point to not edit any of the text itself, though; I don't think they'd be official at that point.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: jonts26 on October 30, 2012, 09:59:13 pm
I wrote the article but as I'm hoping to get feedback I don't necessarily want it on the wiki yet, which leads to a question, how do we decide when an article should be uploaded from here to the wiki?

I'd say if you have something to add to a card page, just add it and maybe add some comments in the discussion section. The wiki format is designed so anything wrong/bad is corrected by other users.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on October 31, 2012, 09:18:51 am
Not sure if will do much with it, but can you also give me a bot account?

I'm not sure how it's best done. Should we create several bots or one main bot to which several users get access?
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: DStu on October 31, 2012, 09:21:24 am
Not sure if will do much with it, but can you also give me a bot account?

I'm not sure how it's best done. Should we create several bots or one main bot to which several users get access?

I would do it with several bots, then you can know better who to blame when some bot runs amok...
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on October 31, 2012, 09:22:24 am
When should I open it up to the public (i.e. link on blog + article)?

I mean the wiki is always work in progress. But I would still wait a few more days until at least the basic work is done. This includes IMO at least the front page, basic categories and infos to all the cards. So I agree with Schneau here.

Not sure if will do much with it, but can you also give me a bot account?

I'm not sure how it's best done. Should we create several bots or one main bot to which several users get access?

I would do it with several bots, then you can know better who to blame when some bot runs amok...

Ok, I activate your bot.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: TwiNight on October 31, 2012, 12:48:52 pm
Requested account but honestly not much free time to put into the wiki.
Will mostly work on navboxes, templates, categories, and other organizational things.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: greatexpectations on October 31, 2012, 02:10:02 pm
i've been trying to add in redirects for what i think will be some common shortcuts / alternate names. donald x, BM, RGG, simulators, and a couple other things will all redirect to the appropriate main pages.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: DStu on October 31, 2012, 03:41:53 pm
Ok, I activate your bot.

Seems to work.  Using michaeljb's dark ages cards at the moment.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: jonts26 on October 31, 2012, 09:45:41 pm
I was looking for a bot which would be able to auto add internal links, since we are missing a lot, especially from copy/pasted articles, and it's rather tedious work. I didn't find a bot, but I did find an extension which might be able to make it easier which you might consider installing, Qvist.

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Replace_Text
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: DStu on November 01, 2012, 02:25:44 am
I was looking for a bot which would be able to auto add internal links, since we are missing a lot, especially from copy/pasted articles, and it's rather tedious work. I didn't find a bot, but I did find an extension which might be able to make it easier which you might consider installing, Qvist.

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Replace_Text

This one http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikipediabot/replace.py might do something like that?

edit: But I'm not so sure on how many internal links we want to have. Do we want every mentioning of say "Province" to be a link? I think wikipedia only takes the first one?  In articles, it would perhaps be good to link the first one in text, and probably also every card mentioned in lists like "Combos".
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Schneau on November 01, 2012, 07:11:08 am
I was looking for a bot which would be able to auto add internal links, since we are missing a lot, especially from copy/pasted articles, and it's rather tedious work. I didn't find a bot, but I did find an extension which might be able to make it easier which you might consider installing, Qvist.

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Replace_Text

This one http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikipediabot/replace.py might do something like that?

edit: But I'm not so sure on how many internal links we want to have. Do we want every mentioning of say "Province" to be a link? I think wikipedia only takes the first one?  In articles, it would perhaps be good to link the first one in text, and probably also every card mentioned in lists like "Combos".

Yeah, linking every mention of "Province" in the Tournament article could get a little annoying after a while. I like the linking of the first mention in the article (or maybe section, if the sections are long). Also, in card lists or templates are good places to link as well.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: michaeljb on November 01, 2012, 11:56:13 am
Found a post on BoardGameGeek (http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/719447/posted-dominion-hinterlands-kingdom-card-descripti) where someone transcribed the Hinterlands card FAQs* and the recommended sets of 10. Speaking of which, do we have a section for recommended sets


*looks like there are a couple edits in the posts below it
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Schneau on November 01, 2012, 12:07:47 pm
Speaking of which, do we have a section for recommended sets

Nope, but it's definitely something that would be a good addition! Maybe they could go on their expansion pages?
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: greatexpectations on November 01, 2012, 04:16:30 pm
created pages for the 'cantrip' and 'village' family of cards. not quite sure what sort of organization you guys want to see with those sorts of groupings but it is a start.

also, as schneau suggests, the tactician (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Tactician) page is coming along nicely and should probably be the example to build off from here on out. for expansions, i put a bunch of work into the hinterlands (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Hinterlands) page and it is probably a decent comparison point for other expansion pages.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Schneau on November 01, 2012, 04:30:59 pm
Hinterlands is indeed coming along very nicely! One thing that might be nice for the expansions to have is a navbox of expansion-related things. One row of the navbox could have all of the cards in the expansion, but other rows could have things like other contents (VP tokens, mats, etc.), one could have links to mechanics in that set (durations, on-trash, etc.). Maybe this isn't the best of ideas, but either way it seems like it would be a good to have a list of all the cards in the expansion somewhere.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: greatexpectations on November 01, 2012, 04:42:09 pm
One thing that might be nice for the expansions to have is a navbox of expansion-related things. One row of the navbox could have all of the cards in the expansion, but other rows could have things like other contents (VP tokens, mats, etc.), one could have links to mechanics in that set (durations, on-trash, etc.). Maybe this isn't the best of ideas, but either way it seems like it would be a good to have a list of all the cards in the expansion somewhere.

that sounds good to me. im not sure how to implement it though. i have zero experience with these nav boxes or wiki editing in general. i've just been copying and pasting from other places.

i thought about including a straight list of all the cards but it just felt awkward to do. looking at the lists i started on the cantrip and village pages seems strange to me as it is, let alone on a page with a lot of other content.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: greatexpectations on November 02, 2012, 10:32:26 am
i posted this in the FAQ feedback thread but i figured i'd post it here too. the wiki is coming along nicely, so i think i am just going to replace most of the FAQ with the relevant links to the wiki. it will trim up the forum FAQ drastically, and maintaining both separately seems silly. unless anyone objects i will probably get to it sometime today or this weekend.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: ftl on November 02, 2012, 08:53:30 pm
In the format of whoever created the page "Combo: Black Market and Tactician" I'm also creating more Combo pages. Titled "Combo: X and Y", in Category: Combo. Seems like a good format to me.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Schneau on November 02, 2012, 09:38:34 pm
In the format of whoever created the page "Combo: Black Market and Tactician" I'm also creating more Combo pages. Titled "Combo: X and Y", in Category: Combo. Seems like a good format to me.

Yeah, I started the "Combo: Black Market and Tactician" page with the idea that we could have combo pages of the same format. Maybe they should even have a special info box and all that if we can think of things to put in it. And I agree, good to have a category for them. I think to keep things consistent it would be good to order the cards in the combo in alphabetical order (which is why I did it that way for BM + Tac).
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: theory on November 03, 2012, 09:06:22 am
What about 3card combos?
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Schneau on November 03, 2012, 10:13:33 am
What about 3card combos?

There's no reason not to. We don't have a specific 2-card format, so there shouldn't be anything different in 3-card combos. I'm sure things like KC-Goons-Masq pins will get their own articles, and other 3-card combos are welcomed as well.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: thirtyseven on November 03, 2012, 11:32:50 am
What about 3card combos?

There's no reason not to. We don't have a specific 2-card format, so there shouldn't be anything different in 3-card combos. I'm sure things like KC-Goons-Masq pins will get their own articles, and other 3-card combos are welcomed as well.

If you put KC-Goons-Masq in alphabetical order it would be Goons-KC-Masq which doesn't look right, so maybe the order in the title should be order of play, if applicable.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: ftl on November 03, 2012, 01:47:30 pm
I think the various Masq combos would be covered on thr "pin" page and don't need individual ones. Kc goons masq, kc militia masq, kc outpost masq, theres so many.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Donald X. on November 03, 2012, 02:45:07 pm
I see that there's a trivia section for each card, so here is all of the art trivia I can think of.

Bureaucrat: The art depicts the artist, Matthias Catrein.

Harem: The art depicts developer Valerie Putman. She's in the back, between the giant half face and the man.

Native Village: The art connects with Pirate Ship to the left.

Pearl Diver: The art depicts playtester Wei-Hwa Huang. He won a tournament at the Gathering of Friends where being depicted was the prize.

Island: The art connects with Pirate Ship to the right.

Navigator: The art depicts developer Dale Yu.

Pirate Ship: The art connects with Island to the left and Native Village to the right.

Bazaar: This art was turned in for Market, but by mistake another artist was also doing Market.

Scrying Pool: Village can be seen in the scrying pool.

City: This art was also used for the box for Carcassonne: The City.

Counting House: The art shows the victory point shield on the wall.

Goons: This art was turned in for Pawn.

Duchess: The art is related to the art for Duke.

Abandoned Mine: The art shows a ruined version of the art for Mine.

Mercenary: The art includes a dagger and red sash from Urchin.

Ruined Library: The art shows a ruined version of the art for Library.

Ruined Market: The art shows a ruined version of the art for Grand Market.

Ruined Village: The art shows a ruined version of the art for Walled Village.

Overgrown Estate: The art shows an overgrown version of the art for Estate, from Base Cards.

Storeroom: This art was turned in as an alternate option for Vault.

Sir Martin, Dame Anna, Dame Josephine, Sir Destry, Sir Michael, Sir Vander: The art depicts a playtester.

Pillage: The art shows Village, under attack.

Black Market: The expansion symbol is the Spielbox magazine symbol.

Envoy: The expansion symbol is the Wiener Riesenrad in Vienna.

Walled Village: The art shows the medieval village Carcassonne. The expansion symbol is a Carcassonne meeple.

Governor: The art continues art used for Puerto Rico: Anniversary Edition; the expansion symbol is from its cover.

Stash: The art includes faces of SdJ jury members on the coins. The expansion symbol is the award poppel.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: greatexpectations on November 03, 2012, 03:32:51 pm
I see that there's a trivia section for each card, so here is all of the art trivia I can think of.

thanks for the input.  updated.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on November 03, 2012, 05:06:22 pm
Hey, now even Donald X. himself contributes to the wiki.
Initialising this wiki already paid off.
Thanks for this insight.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: AJD on November 03, 2012, 07:42:12 pm
I expanded the article on cursers:

http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Curser

This seems like a decent structural template that can be used for families of cards (cursers, villages, terminal draw, etc.)—a short paragraph on general strategic points common to the card family; a list of the cards grouped by subtype; and then general trivia about the category.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: thirtyseven on November 03, 2012, 08:42:41 pm
Articles on cards need some sort of intro. Any thoughts about the content and format of the intro?
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Schneau on November 03, 2012, 09:12:23 pm
I see that there's a trivia section for each card, so here is all of the art trivia I can think of.

This is awesome Donald. Thanks as usual for contributing so much to the community!
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Schneau on November 03, 2012, 09:16:40 pm
Articles on cards need some sort of intro. Any thoughts about the content and format of the intro?

I think the introductions to card articles should basically be an overview summary of the entire article. It should start by giving an English description of the card - type, expansion, and basically what it does. Then, it can include an overview of its uses and strategy. I think these shouldn't be too rigid - some cards may include different types of info than others.

I gave Tactician (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Tactician) an intro like this, and while it's far from perfect and still needs some editing/additions, it can serve as a good example.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on November 03, 2012, 09:28:06 pm
I like to say some things I changed and noticed just to be sure that everybody reads it:

Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Schneau on November 03, 2012, 09:39:27 pm
I like to say some things I changed and noticed just to be sure that everybody reads it:

  • If you link to cards, please be sure that you link to the singular version of the card. If the word is in plural, then just write [Duchy|Duchies] for example. This is a general rule, not only for card article names. We could add redirects, but not for all the cards.
  • You could also help fixing links by going to http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Special:WantedPages. You can use this page as base by creating new pages or finding broken links that should direct to another page.
  • I created a stub template with respective category. Any idea what categories/boxes we still need? The design of the box isn't so good, but we could still change it later. Other boxes could be created by using the Messagebox template. I tested the stub box here: http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Donald_X._Vaccarino
  • I created an Illustrator navbox. This serves as a guide line for creating the Illustrator articles. Any idea how they should be structured?

Excellent. I've been thinking and doing the first two things, and the stub and illustrator navbox look great. Though, it might be best to put the Stub box at the bottom.

I posted a few other things on the Main Page talk, but I'm not sure if they were seen, and maybe this is the right place to discuss them. They are:

Quote
Capitalization

It seems that we need some specific rules for capitalization. I never know if it should be Treasure or treasure, Action or action. For example, I always capitalize "Action" when I'm talking about a card type or phase, and lowercase "action" if it's talking about number of actions left in your Action phase. Is that correct? Or should it always be capitalized? Here are some capitalization rules; feel free to edit or add to this list (p.s. this should move to a style guide eventually):

Things that should be capitalized

   - Card names
   - Expansions
   - Types
   - Phases (Action phase, Buy phase, Clean-up phase)
   - Vanilla bonuses (+Cards, +Actions, +Buy)
   - Victory points (is this right?)
   - Victory point tokens (is this right?)

Things that should be lowercase

   - "actions" when used as number of actions left in your Action phase (is this right?) --Schneau (talk) 09:35, 2 November 2012 (EDT)


Coin symbol templates

It would be great to have small, text-sized coin symbols that could be used in-line with text. So, instead of putting +$4, you could put {{Coin4}}, and it would print the Dominion coin symbol with a 4 in it. These would be useful in a lot of places, and would look really nice. We could also have one without a number in it (that could be used in place of +Coins or +$ (like on Salvager), and one with a Potion symbol for Potion costs. I think I could make the templates if I had the coin images - if anyone has access to them and could upload them, that would be great!

I'm working a bit on the coin symbol templates, but someone else can take over if they'd like.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on November 03, 2012, 09:45:02 pm
I agree in general with the Capitalization and Coin templates would be really great.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: greatexpectations on November 03, 2012, 10:09:22 pm
This seems like a decent structural template that can be used for families of cards (cursers, villages, terminal draw, etc.)—a short paragraph on general strategic points common to the card family; a list of the cards grouped by subtype; and then general trivia about the category.

i like it. i meant to do that sort of thing with the villages page but then got distracted and never came back.

I posted a few other things on the Main Page talk, but I'm not sure if they were seen, and maybe this is the right place to discuss them.

yeah i think we should try to keep more of the discussion here. i think its too hard to get lost on the shuffle over there, and it will get seen by more eyes.

and more eyes is what we need. we've had a solid core to generate the bulk of the content so far, but it would be great to have a lot more folk tearing through the articles (like they pick apart meme posts or puzzles) to nitpick and add details.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Schneau on November 03, 2012, 10:38:24 pm
One thing that would certainly add more eyes is adding more editors. Now all the cards are added, and the main page is shaping up (but still needs some work). It seems like we're getting close to being ready for theory to publicize the wiki on the blog. Should we shoot for sometime in the next week to get it to a place where it's ready for prime time?
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: greatexpectations on November 03, 2012, 10:58:36 pm
One thing that would certainly add more eyes is adding more editors. Now all the cards are added, and the main page is shaping up (but still needs some work). It seems like we're getting close to being ready for theory to publicize the wiki on the blog. Should we shoot for sometime in the next week to get it to a place where it's ready for prime time?

with more editors we will also need to keep an eye on what is going on too. i don't expect much (any?) outright vandalism, but you want to keep the overall quality of content high. i'm thinking of this (http://xkcd.com/446/) xkcd strip. don't necessarily want lists of dominion irl or dozens of linked games.

so before we give theory an ok to go 'prime time' we might want to generate some solid posting guidelines. and as part of that we might want to really flesh out a few more pages as solid examples. so maybe a couple card pages, a combo page, a card type (curser, village, etc.) page, an expansion page, whatever.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: () | (_) ^/ on November 03, 2012, 10:59:38 pm
Anyone else read an section of an article on the wiki and feel the urge to click in the upper right of the section to give it a +1 only to be denied?

It keeps happening to me. :(
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: greatexpectations on November 03, 2012, 11:01:54 pm
Anyone else read an section of an article on the wiki and feel the urge to click in the upper right of the section to give it a +1 only to be denied?

It keeps happening to me. :(

haha totally. and every time i see someone blitzing through adding tons of content i want to throw piles of +1's at them.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: () | (_) ^/ on November 03, 2012, 11:05:44 pm
One thing that would certainly add more eyes is adding more editors. Now all the cards are added, and the main page is shaping up (but still needs some work). It seems like we're getting close to being ready for theory to publicize the wiki on the blog. Should we shoot for sometime in the next week to get it to a place where it's ready for prime time?

Also let's not publicize until at least every card is done?  Just a thought, not necessary I guess.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: greatexpectations on November 03, 2012, 11:13:11 pm
Also let's not publicize until at least every card is done?  Just a thought, not necessary I guess.

the trouble is that 'done' is very hard to quantify on a wiki. i am pretty sure we now at least have pages for every card, they are just at drastically varying levels of completion. tactician looks friggin good, but a couple of the hinterlands cards are pretty bare.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: () | (_) ^/ on November 03, 2012, 11:26:54 pm
Also let's not publicize until at least every card is done?  Just a thought, not necessary I guess.

the trouble is that 'done' is very hard to quantify on a wiki. i am pretty sure we now at least have pages for every card, they are just at drastically varying levels of completion. tactician looks friggin good, but a couple of the hinterlands cards are pretty bare.

Yes, I understand.  I should specify: by 'done' I mean 'has some minimum standard of content completeness as set by those who are quite active in adding content/formatting to the wiki' (of whom I am not one).

TBH, I have done very little (one edit) and have little-to-no motivation to learn how to do much more than grammatical review.  So I picked a card at random (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Noble_Brigand) to look at.  Then I saw the posting about "let's publish soonish maybe" and thought I'd say something.

I guess I stumbled upon one of the hinterlands ones that are bare.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: greatexpectations on November 03, 2012, 11:55:02 pm
Yes, I understand.  I should specify: by 'done' I mean 'has some minimum standard of content completeness as set by those who are quite active in adding content/formatting to the wiki' (of whom I am not one).

TBH, I have done very little (one edit) and have little-to-no motivation to learn how to do much more than grammatical review.  So I picked a card at random (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Noble_Brigand) to look at.  Then I saw the posting about "let's publish soonish maybe" and thought I'd say something.

I guess I stumbled upon one of the hinterlands ones that are bare.

yup, wasn't trying to pick on you there. it's just hard to tell where we should draw that line. and yeah, except for tunnel i dont think any of the hinterlands cards even had a page until earlier today. hinterlands is still going to be a bit thin, but the other expansions should be doing a bit better by now.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: AJD on November 04, 2012, 12:18:25 am
I just threw together <a href="http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Vanilla">this page on vanilla cards</a>. Not sure how worthwhile that was, I guess. But I bet something could be done with it to make it more useful?
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: thirtyseven on November 04, 2012, 01:00:33 am
Just added intros to the $2 base set cards... help with the rest would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: greatexpectations on November 04, 2012, 01:53:08 am
loving the card types page ajd. can we add unofficial subtypes (curser, village, gainer, etc) to that page or should it go elsewhere?
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on November 04, 2012, 01:58:32 am
loving the card types page ajd. can we add unofficial subtypes (curser, village, gainer, etc) to that page or should it go elsewhere?

That should go elsewhere. There should be a page called "Card Categories" or something like that. It should contain Curser, Village, Gainer, Sifter, etc and explain them short and then link to the respective detailed Article (Curser already exists for example).
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: AJD on November 04, 2012, 02:14:51 am
loving the card types page ajd. can we add unofficial subtypes (curser, village, gainer, etc) to that page or should it go elsewhere?

Thanks! And I agree with Qvist that categories like "curser" and "village" should have a separate index.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: greatexpectations on November 04, 2012, 02:48:25 am
That should go elsewhere. There should be a page called "Card Categories" or something like that.

sounds good to me. is card categories ok with everyone? we might as well get that going too. regardless of what we name it we just need to clarify that they are community/player defined categories. i am sure we will see some disagreements on what will technically count as these categories.

and this might be a big pain, but we should probably consider adding these categories to the navbox thing on the card's page.

Quote
It should contain Curser, Village, Gainer, Sifter, etc and explain them short and then link to the respective detailed Article (Curser already exists for example).

i know we have pages/stubs for village, curser, and cantrip. what else is out there? disappearing village, terminal draw, draw to x, trasher, tfb, terminal silver, hand reducing attack, non terminal draw. anything else?

and props to qvist for backing me up and filling in dark ages cards. i still haven't played with them or even looked at them. pretty much all i know about them i've learned from editing the wiki.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: AJD on November 04, 2012, 02:55:53 am
i know we have pages/stubs for village, curser, and cantrip. what else is out there? disappearing village, terminal draw, draw to x, trasher, tfb, terminal silver, hand reducing attack, non terminal draw. anything else?

Disappearing village is a subtype of village. I'm not sure if we want to consider "remodeler" as a subtype of tfb or not; probably, I guess.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: greatexpectations on November 04, 2012, 02:59:47 am
Disappearing village is a subtype of village. I'm not sure if we want to consider "remodeler" as a subtype of tfb or not; probably, I guess.

true. so do we make a page for say disappearing villages, but also mention it on the village subtype page?

or just keep the larger groupings and break it out into all the different subheadings on that page? ie include remodeler, tfb, whatever on a general trasher page. then discard attacks, cursers, etc on a general attack page. that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: michaeljb on November 04, 2012, 03:43:18 am
Disappearing village is a subtype of village. I'm not sure if we want to consider "remodeler" as a subtype of tfb or not; probably, I guess.

true. so do we make a page for say disappearing villages, but also mention it on the village subtype page?

or just keep the larger groupings and break it out into all the different subheadings on that page? ie include remodeler, tfb, whatever on a general trasher page. then discard attacks, cursers, etc on a general attack page. that sort of thing.

I like how the vanilla page has the "semi-vanilla" section, and I think a similar thing should be fine for village subtypes. I'm not sure the best way to categorize "remodelers" in light of other TFBs though.

**

Since the Secret Histories all have some introductory part on the set as a whole, I've added them to a few pages, including the newly created Seaside and Alchemy pages. Mainly I wanted to say here that I was quite impressed with how long the Alchemy Secret History was.

Also, to add on to the coin symbol idea, I think a proper Potion symbol would also be nice.

**

Prosperity's "other secret history" (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=5230.0) doesn't really have a section about the set as a whole, and the original version (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=119.0) is way different from the other ones, and I feel like it's too much to just copy all that text over, so for now I just put a link on the wiki page (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Prosperity#Trivia). Thoughts?

edit: triple post into one
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: DStu on November 04, 2012, 06:47:10 am
X-post from http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Talk:Main_Page#Direct_Quotes concerning the Quota-template:
Quote from: me
At the moment, the template for the source is used like "|Source= http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=153.0 from The Secret History of the Dominion Promos", where the "from" is kind of artificial. I think it should move to the template. Or even the second part "The Secret History of the Dominion Promos" should get an own entry. Changes on the pages should be botable. Any thoughts? DStu (talk) 06:43, 4 November 2012 (EST)
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Schneau on November 04, 2012, 07:15:59 am
X-post from http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Talk:Main_Page#Direct_Quotes concerning the Quota-template:
Quote from: me
At the moment, the template for the source is used like "|Source= http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=153.0 from The Secret History of the Dominion Promos", where the "from" is kind of artificial. I think it should move to the template. Or even the second part "The Secret History of the Dominion Promos" should get an own entry. Changes on the pages should be botable. Any thoughts? DStu (talk) 06:43, 4 November 2012 (EST)

I added the "from" in one of my first edits, and now I'm wondering if we even need it. I think better might be something like "Donald X. Vaccarino, The Secret History of The Dominion Wiki". Because of the italics, it is clear enough that the second part is where the quote was found, and seems more like how citations are usually done. So, I'd be all for removing "from" from each quote citation and replacing it with a comma (which should probably be in the template and not part of the link text). Or, if people like "from", it could go to the template and not be part of the link. But, I think we can get rid of it.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Schneau on November 04, 2012, 07:19:20 am
i know we have pages/stubs for village, curser, and cantrip. what else is out there? disappearing village, terminal draw, draw to x, trasher, tfb, terminal silver, hand reducing attack, non terminal draw. anything else?

There are other things like junker (junking?) attack, Peddler variant, alt treasure, alt victory, multi-type, etc. I'm sure this isn't a complete list, but we can add to it as we go. The mini-set challenges used a lot of these, and could be used as a source of ideas for these sub-types.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: AJD on November 04, 2012, 10:10:36 am
Disappearing village is a subtype of village. I'm not sure if we want to consider "remodeler" as a subtype of tfb or not; probably, I guess.

true. so do we make a page for say disappearing villages, but also mention it on the village subtype page?

or just keep the larger groupings and break it out into all the different subheadings on that page? ie include remodeler, tfb, whatever on a general trasher page. then discard attacks, cursers, etc on a general attack page. that sort of thing.

I like how the vanilla page has the "semi-vanilla" section, and I think a similar thing should be fine for village subtypes. I'm not sure the best way to categorize "remodelers" in light of other TFBs though.

true. so do we make a page for say disappearing villages, but also mention it on the village subtype page?

I think we can do this on a case-by-case basis depending on what feels right. I mean, like, I don't feel like "disappearing village" is itself a main class of cards; it's just a subtype of villages that doesn't need its own index. But I do think "curser" is a main class, just based on how we talk about cards and what their roles are.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: thirtyseven on November 04, 2012, 10:20:14 am
I say only make a page if there's actually enough information available to make a decent sized (non-stub) article, at least eventually. This is obviously not the only criteria for an article, but useful for possibly dissuading someone from starting an article like that. Often a subsection of another article is the right choice.

On a separate note, check this thread (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Talk:Main_Page#DYK_for_Main_Page) on the Wiki page for ideas I had about Main Page content; would love input.

Also, article idea: First and second player advantage.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: DStu on November 04, 2012, 10:20:22 am
X-post from http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Talk:Main_Page#Direct_Quotes concerning the Quota-template:
Quote from: me
At the moment, the template for the source is used like "|Source= http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=153.0 from The Secret History of the Dominion Promos", where the "from" is kind of artificial. I think it should move to the template. Or even the second part "The Secret History of the Dominion Promos" should get an own entry. Changes on the pages should be botable. Any thoughts? DStu (talk) 06:43, 4 November 2012 (EST)

I added the "from" in one of my first edits, and now I'm wondering if we even need it. I think better might be something like "Donald X. Vaccarino, The Secret History of The Dominion Wiki". Because of the italics, it is clear enough that the second part is where the quote was found, and seems more like how citations are usually done. So, I'd be all for removing "from" from each quote citation and replacing it with a comma (which should probably be in the template and not part of the link text). Or, if people like "from", it could go to the template and not be part of the link. But, I think we can get rid of it.

I'm changing it...

edit: Done (I think). If something is missing, notify me.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: werothegreat on November 04, 2012, 10:40:38 am
I expanded the article on cursers:

http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Curser

This seems like a decent structural template that can be used for families of cards (cursers, villages, terminal draw, etc.)—a short paragraph on general strategic points common to the card family; a list of the cards grouped by subtype; and then general trivia about the category.

For the theme section: "While Dark Ages does not have any Cursers, the Looters carry the expansion's subthemes instead: Death Cart trashes, Marauder gives out Spoils, and Cultist does something when trashed."
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: werothegreat on November 04, 2012, 10:41:37 am
On this note - Donald X: had you been reading Atlas Shrugged when you came up with "Looters" as a card type?
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Schneau on November 04, 2012, 11:03:48 am
I think it would be nice to have categories for the major card types that would appear as categories on those cards' pages. So, a "Category: Victory card" for victory cards, a "Category: Looter card" for Looters, etc. It seems that the easiest way to do this would be to incorporate it into the Template:Cardbox (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Template:Cardbox) as part of the Type field. To do this, I'm thinking I will have to break the types up into one type per field. This will mean you will now need to do something like:

Code: [Select]
{{Cardbox|
 |Card = Tunnel
 |Cost = 3
 |Set = [[Hinterlands]]
 |Type = Victory
 |Type2 = Reaction
 |Text = 2VP<br/>When you discard this other than during a Clean-up phase, you may reveal it. If you do, gain a Gold.
 |BaseCard = (optional)
 |NotInKingdom = (optional)
}}

There will obviously be Type3 and Type4 to handle Dame Josephine. The Cardbox look itself won't change, but it will allow each type to be handled separately as a category.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Schneau on November 04, 2012, 11:16:00 am
I think it would be nice to have categories for the major card types that would appear as categories on those cards' pages. So, a "Category: Victory card" for victory cards, a "Category: Looter card" for Looters, etc. It seems that the easiest way to do this would be to incorporate it into the Template:Cardbox (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Template:Cardbox) as part of the Type field. To do this, I'm thinking I will have to break the types up into one type per field. This will mean you will now need to do something like:

Code: [Select]
{{Cardbox|
 |Card = Tunnel
 |Cost = 3
 |Set = [[Hinterlands]]
 |Type = Victory
 |Type2 = Reaction
 |Text = 2VP<br/>When you discard this other than during a Clean-up phase, you may reveal it. If you do, gain a Gold.
 |BaseCard = (optional)
 |NotInKingdom = (optional)
}}

There will obviously be Type3 and Type4 to handle Dame Josephine. The Cardbox look itself won't change, but it will allow each type to be handled separately as a category.

I think this is now working. Now we just have to reformat all the types (I've only done Tactician and Dame Josephine). I'm not sure if this is something that can be done by a bot or not, but if so, that would be nice :).
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on November 04, 2012, 11:32:02 am
I think it would be nice to have categories for the major card types that would appear as categories on those cards' pages. So, a "Category: Victory card" for victory cards, a "Category: Looter card" for Looters, etc. It seems that the easiest way to do this would be to incorporate it into the Template:Cardbox (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Template:Cardbox) as part of the Type field. To do this, I'm thinking I will have to break the types up into one type per field. This will mean you will now need to do something like:

Code: [Select]
{{Cardbox|
 |Card = Tunnel
 |Cost = 3
 |Set = [[Hinterlands]]
 |Type = Victory
 |Type2 = Reaction
 |Text = 2VP<br/>When you discard this other than during a Clean-up phase, you may reveal it. If you do, gain a Gold.
 |BaseCard = (optional)
 |NotInKingdom = (optional)
}}

There will obviously be Type3 and Type4 to handle Dame Josephine. The Cardbox look itself won't change, but it will allow each type to be handled separately as a category.

I think this is now working. Now we just have to reformat all the types (I've only done Tactician and Dame Josephine). I'm not sure if this is something that can be done by a bot or not, but if so, that would be nice :).

Haha, I just posted the same on the wiki: http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Template_talk:Cardbox

The "Did you know?" was a great idea and it already looks very nice. Good job.

Regarding Card types. Try to make a Category tree as far as possible. So a card belonging to the remodel family is a special case of TfB. I would start adding it into a TfB article. And if that gets big enought we could split it up later.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: DStu on November 04, 2012, 11:38:44 am
I think it would be nice to have categories for the major card types that would appear as categories on those cards' pages. So, a "Category: Victory card" for victory cards, a "Category: Looter card" for Looters, etc. It seems that the easiest way to do this would be to incorporate it into the Template:Cardbox (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Template:Cardbox) as part of the Type field. To do this, I'm thinking I will have to break the types up into one type per field. This will mean you will now need to do something like:

Code: [Select]
{{Cardbox|
 |Card = Tunnel
 |Cost = 3
 |Set = [[Hinterlands]]
 |Type = Victory
 |Type2 = Reaction
 |Text = 2VP<br/>When you discard this other than during a Clean-up phase, you may reveal it. If you do, gain a Gold.
 |BaseCard = (optional)
 |NotInKingdom = (optional)
}}

There will obviously be Type3 and Type4 to handle Dame Josephine. The Cardbox look itself won't change, but it will allow each type to be handled separately as a category.

I think this is now working. Now we just have to reformat all the types (I've only done Tactician and Dame Josephine). I'm not sure if this is something that can be done by a bot or not, but if so, that would be nice :).
I'm on it, works quite well

:e But maybe I forget some rare cases with Knights, Prizes and Fool's Gold-like combinations

:e2 I think I got Treasure, Victory, Action, Action-Reaction, Action-Duration, Action-Attack, Tunnel, Fool's Gold, Treasure-Victory, Action-Victory

:e3 +Prizes, +Knights +Ruins. I stop now, if something is left (don't know what), that has to be done by hand.

:e4 Ok, think I forgot Looters...
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Schneau on November 04, 2012, 01:37:29 pm
Excellent work DStu, everything looks great as far as I can see!
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: DStu on November 04, 2012, 01:57:42 pm
Excellent work DStu, everything looks great as far as I can see!

Found some remainings, because there where some links [[ Attacks]] or [[Action ]] (note the blanks) that where not captured by my regular expressions.  Now have a script to 'normalize' all internal links.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on November 04, 2012, 04:54:37 pm
Regarding Card Categories: I created a page for that and did some editing. http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Card_Categories
Really exhausting finding all the cards and "subcategorizing" them. So I stop now. You might disagree with some points. Feel free to discuss.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: AJD on November 04, 2012, 07:39:14 pm
I reorganized <a href="http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Trasher">Trasher</a>.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: michaeljb on November 04, 2012, 10:26:52 pm
Quote
Direct Quotes

With both flavor texts of expansions and secret histories of cards, I think it would be good to somehow indicate that the text is a direct quote and not just something somebody added. Can we put these in block quotes or something indicating that they are from those sources? --Schneau (talk) 17:14, 26 October 2012 (EDT)

I created Template:Quote. I will style it later.--Qvist (talk) 17:42, 26 October 2012 (EDT)

Would the styling include making paragraphs look nice? (I'm guessing yes :P) With the secret histories, I added in some < br > tags to separate the paragraphs to avoid the wall of text, but now I feel like that was the wrong solution and a silly decision. Examples: Alchemy with br tags shoved in (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Alchemy#Secret_History), Prosperity with a big wall of text (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Prosperity#Secret_History).
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Ozle on November 05, 2012, 05:45:05 am
Why do Prizes not show in the main card list, being only a link. And yet cards like Spoils do?
I would think they would all be down the bottom?
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Drab Emordnilap on November 05, 2012, 10:11:05 am
Why do Prizes not show in the main card list, being only a link. And yet cards like Spoils do?
I would think they would all be down the bottom?
Prizes aren't "base cards", so they're not down with Spoils. "Prizes" is parenthetically linked after Tournament, just like Madman is after Hermit.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: brokoli on November 05, 2012, 11:04:46 am
Great work on the wiki.

However, I don't agree about the definition of cantrip.

- Villages are not real cantrips. The main benefit of a cantrip is action chaining, while village is rather a +action/+draw card.
- I also disagree about caravan, laboratory, Hunting party and stables. They are non-terminal draw, but not really cantrips because they increase your hand size.

IMO, cantrip is mainly a self-replacing card which offers exactly +1 card, +1 action, no more no less. Some examples : Pearl Diver, Market, Spy, Familiar, Upgrade, Junk Dealer, Rats, Market Square, Highway ... somehow Ironmonger since you rarely know what is the benefit you'll have, Pawn because you always can play it like a cantrip, conspirator when activated, Tournament when opponent do not reveal province, etc...

Also, cards like Oasis and Warehouse are not cantrips as they decrease your handsize.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Schneau on November 05, 2012, 11:10:59 am
Great work on the wiki.

However, I don't agree about the definition of cantrip.

- Villages are not real cantrips. The main benefit of a cantrip is action chaining, while village is rather a +action/+draw card.
- I also disagree about caravan, laboratory, Hunting party and stables. They are non-terminal draw, but not really cantrips because they increase your hand size.

IMO, cantrip is mainly a self-replacing card which offers exactly +1 card, +1 action, no more no less. Some examples : Pearl Diver, Market, Spy, Familiar, Upgrade, Junk Dealer, Rats, Market Square, Highway ... somehow Ironmonger since you rarely know what is the benefit you'll have, Pawn because you always can play it like a cantrip, conspirator when activated, Tournament when opponent do not reveal province, etc...

Also, cards like Oasis and Warehouse are not cantrips as they decrease your handsize.

Junk Dealer and Rats decrease handsize. </nitpick>

To be serious, I favor a more liberal definition of cantrip to include anything that always gives at least +1 Card and +1 Action, including Villages and Lab-variants. Basically, any card that replaces itself with at least one more card and one more action. I would consider cards like Pawn and Tournament to not be full cantrips, since they don't guarantee +1 Card and +1 Action with every play - but, they should probably be included in some sort of "sometimes cantrips" section.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on November 05, 2012, 11:13:13 am
Great work on the wiki.

However, I don't agree about the definition of cantrip.

- Villages are not real cantrips. The main benefit of a cantrip is action chaining, while village is rather a +action/+draw card.
- I also disagree about caravan, laboratory, Hunting party and stables. They are non-terminal draw, but not really cantrips because they increase your hand size.

IMO, cantrip is mainly a self-replacing card which offers exactly +1 card, +1 action, no more no less. Some examples : Pearl Diver, Market, Spy, Familiar, Upgrade, Junk Dealer, Rats, Market Square, Highway ... somehow Ironmonger since you rarely know what is the benefit you'll have, Pawn because you always can play it like a cantrip, conspirator when activated, Tournament when opponent do not reveal province, etc...

Also, cards like Oasis and Warehouse are not cantrips as they decrease your handsize.

AFAIK there's disagreement about that in the community. I will tackle that when I write the Cantrip part of Card Categories and will include it in the Cantrip article too.
In short:
Strict definition: Not more nor less than +1 Card, +1 Action every time its played and keeping the same handsize. It can other bonuses though.
Loose definition: Not less than +1 Card, +1 Action every time its played and at least keeping the same handsize.
Apothecary would go in the loose defition for example. But Stables and Oasis are both no cantrips.

Anyone disagree?
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: DStu on November 05, 2012, 11:15:09 am
IMO, cantrip is mainly a self-replacing card which offers exactly +1 card, +1 action, no more no less. Some examples : Pearl Diver, Market, Spy, Familiar, Upgrade, Junk Dealer, Rats, Market Square, Highway ... somehow Ironmonger since you rarely know what is the benefit you'll have, Pawn because you always can play it like a cantrip, conspirator when activated, Tournament when opponent do not reveal province, etc...

Also, cards like Oasis and Warehouse are not cantrips as they decrease your handsize.
I don't like the "exactly". Usually, when you talk about Cantrips, you talk about them because you can gain/play them with no negative to your hand in any* situation, because they replace yourself. I can't think of a situation where the property of Pearl Diver, that it doesn't give a second action is important. Actually, of course I can think of such a situation, but that are situations where you don't talk about Cantrips anyway, but talk about Villages. So to be precise, there are no situations where you want any "strict" Cantrip, but don't want a Village.

But there are lots of situations where you talk about Cantrips, where it doesn't matter: "Use two Cantrips to activate the Conspirator; Use Cantrips to cheapen Peddler" would have to be written as "Use two Cantrips or (strict) Villages or non-terminal draw or a combination thereof to activate the Conspirator" and all these, and it's just easier to have (strict) Village and non-terminal draw as subcategories of Cantrips, as with seperate categories just for some pureness of the word, or may be historical reasons(?).
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: jonts26 on November 05, 2012, 11:25:27 am
Why do Prizes not show in the main card list, being only a link. And yet cards like Spoils do?
I would think they would all be down the bottom?

Also, shelters and ruins are both listed as a category, instead of individually linking each card. I couldn't think of a good, clean way to individually list the prizes, so I just lumped them together next to tourney which makes sense to me. If you have a good suggestion, though, it could be changed.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Ozle on November 05, 2012, 11:28:33 am
Why do Prizes not show in the main card list, being only a link. And yet cards like Spoils do?
I would think they would all be down the bottom?

Also, shelters and ruins are both listed as a category, instead of individually linking each card. I couldn't think of a good, clean way to individually list the prizes, so I just lumped them together next to tourney which makes sense to me. If you have a good suggestion, though, it could be changed.

I think someone already gave a good explanation earlier that made sense of the way you have done it

(I would have put them in a separate line titled Prizes)
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: michaeljb on November 05, 2012, 01:30:26 pm
Why do Prizes not show in the main card list, being only a link. And yet cards like Spoils do?
I would think they would all be down the bottom?
Prizes aren't "base cards", so they're not down with Spoils. "Prizes" is parenthetically linked after Tournament, just like Madman is after Hermit.

Spoils also aren't base cards, and neither are Shelters. In the NavBox, they should definitely be up with the other Dark Ages cards.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on November 05, 2012, 06:23:44 pm
I understand you all, but somehow disagree. Spoils, Shelters and Ruins are such basic cards that they should go in the same section as all other basic cards.
I think Shelters are obvious because although they aren't in any pile they can be in any game and aren't dependant from any specific card on the board.
Spoils and Ruins are both present when one of 3 possible Kingdom Cards are present and are all such basic cards, similar to Gold and Curse. They should go hand in hand with those.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: AJD on November 05, 2012, 06:57:57 pm
I understand you all, but somehow disagree. Spoils, Shelters and Ruins are such basic cards that they should go in the same section as all other basic cards.
I think Shelters are obvious because although they aren't in any pile they can be in any game and aren't dependant from any specific card on the board.
Spoils and Ruins are both present when one of 3 possible Kingdom Cards are present and are all such basic cards, similar to Gold and Curse. They should go hand in hand with those.

Ruins are definitely basic cards; they behave just like Potions. Spoils are definitely not basic cards; they behave like Prizes. Shelters are harder to figure since you can't gain them, but I lean towards considering them to be basic cards since they substitute for Estates and those are basic cards.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on November 05, 2012, 07:05:38 pm
If Ruins are basic cards, then Spoils are basic cards too.
You put Ruins on the board if there's one of 3 cards with type Looter in the kingdom.
You put Spoils on the board if there's one of 3 cards that references them in the kingdom.

The only difference is that Spoils aren't in the supply, but Ruins are.
It all depends from the definition of a "basic card". Do they have to be in the supply?
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: michaeljb on November 05, 2012, 07:51:54 pm
I've gone through each rulebook looking for how they use the word "basic," and here's what I found:

Dominion
refers to Copper/Province/etc as 'basic Treasure' and 'basic Victory' cards, available every game
Curse available every game, not identified as 'basic'
broad classification of cards are: basic Treasure cards, basic Victory cards, Trash pile/Curse cards, Kingdom cards (there's an image in the sidebar on one of the pages with cards sorted out like this)

Intrigue
refers to Dominion as the 'basic' game
refers to Copper/Province/etc as 'basic Treasure' and 'basic Victory' cards, available every game
Curse available every game, not identified as 'basic'

Seaside
does not use the word 'basic' at all

Alchemy - first use of capitalized "Basic" and "Basic Supply"
"Dominion: Alchemy is an expansion, and can't be played by itself; to play with it, you need Dominion, or a standalone expansion to Dominion (Dominion: Intrigue). Those provide the Basic cards you need to play (Treasure, Victory, and Curse cards), as well as the full rules for setup and gameplay."
"16 Basic cards, all Potion"
"Potion is a new Basic Treasure card."
 "Alchemy includes a Treasure card with rules: Philosopher’s Stone. Philosopher’s Stone is in the Supply if it is selected as one of the 10 Kingdom cards for the game; it is not part of the Basic Supply."
in Potion's FAQ - "This is a basic Treasure card" [only time in rulebook 'basic' is lowercase]

Prosperity
"This is the 4th addition to the game of Dominion. It adds 25 new Kingdom cards to Dominion, plus 2 new Basic cards that let players keep building up past Gold and Province. "
"Dominion: Prosperity is an expansion, and cannot be played by itself; to play with it, you need Dominion, or a standalone expansion to Dominion (e.g., Dominion: Intrigue). Those provide the Basic cards you need to play (Treasure, Victory, and Curse cards), as well as the full rules for setup and gameplay."
"If only Kingdom cards from Prosperity are being used this game, then the Platinum and Colony piles are added to the Basic cards in the Supply for the game. "
"24 Basic cards, 12 each of Colony and Platinum"
Prosperity includes eight Treasure cards with rules on them. They are in the Supply if selected as one of the 10 Kingdom cards for the game; they are not part of the Basic Supply.

Cornucopia
"To play with Cornucopia, you need a complete Dominion game such as the original Dominion or Dominion: Intrigue. These provide the Basic cards you need to play (Treasure, Victory, and Curse cards), as well as the full rules for setup and gameplay."


Hinterlands (pdf seems to be from an image, not a text, so can't copy-paste the text right over)
same thing about needing Dominion or Intrigue for Basic cards
same thing about its Treasure cards not being part of the Basic Supply

Dark Ages
"Dark Ages includes two Treasure cards with rules on them. They are in the Supply if selected as one of the 10 Kingdom cards for the game; they are not part of the Basic Supply."


Dominion has this to say about "the Supply": "Players will not use all of the cards in every game. Other than the players’ starting Decks, the other cards used in a game of Dominion are called the Supply. "

I would define Basic cards as those cards that are part of the "Basic Supply".
Spoils definitely aren't part of the "Basic Supply", while Potion, Colony and Platinum definitely are "Basic." Since Ruins can be bought and gained just like Curses, they are definitely part of the Supply, and I infer that they are part of the Basic Supply; they're not part of the Kingdom cards, and it makes more sense to put them in the Basic Supply then add a third category. I would argue that Shelters are not Basic because they are not part of the Supply.


So the way I see it, all the cards in a Dominion game can be found in one of these places:
-each player's Dominion (Deck); usually starts as 7 Coppers and 3 Estates, sometimes 7 Coppers and 1 Hovel, 1 Necropolis, 1 Overgrown Estate.

-The Supply; when you gain a card or buy a card, it comes from the Supply (unless otherwise specified), which consists of two main parts:
---The Basic Supply (Copper, Silver, Gold, Curse, Estate, Duchy, Province, and sometimes Potion, Platinum, Colony, Ruins)
--The Kingdom cards

-The Trash (and the Trash marker card)

-Other piles/decks; these are not part of the Supply, and are here because one or more Kingdom cards name a special, different location for them (Prize pile, Black Market deck, Spoils pile, Madman pile, Mercenary pile)

tl;dr - michaeljb probably cares too much about definition of "Basic"
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: greatexpectations on November 05, 2012, 08:14:47 pm
Junk Dealer and Rats decrease handsize. </nitpick>

the example of upgrade decreases handsize too.

IMO, cantrip is mainly a self-replacing card which offers exactly +1 card, +1 action, no more no less. Some examples : Pearl Diver, Market, Spy, Familiar, Upgrade, Junk Dealer, Rats, Market Square, Highway ... somehow Ironmonger since you rarely know what is the benefit you'll have, Pawn because you always can play it like a cantrip, conspirator when activated, Tournament when opponent do not reveal province, etc...

well if we are all nitpicking then none of the cards you list meet your criteria. they all offer some benefit - why should that benefit count against the cantrip definition in the case of village or lab but not count against it for the +$1 of peddler? i think we can all agree that a card that reduces your hand isn't a cantrip, but im less convinced by the case against village or lab.

really, there is going to be tons of this sort of overlap and disagreement on the definitions of cards. i don't think that removing or excluding borderline cases is the right move. i would advocate throwing an asterisk and a note explaining what other categories might fit better.

Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: AJD on November 05, 2012, 09:41:10 pm
My basic understanding of "cantrip" is 'a card that replaces itself'—not a card that produces exactly +1 card and +1 action, not a card that doesn't reduce handsize when played, but rather, a card that has this property:

Playing the card is equivalent to the following: you don't having the card in your deck at all, but when you draw your hand a magic fairy shows up and gives you a bonus.

So, Pearl Diver is a cantrip because drawing five cards and playing Pearl Diver is the same as drawing five cards not including the Pearl Diver, and a magic fairy says "Here's the card on the bottom of your deck! Want to move it to the top?"

And the same applies to Hamlet, Upgrade, Laboratory, and so on.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Insomniac on November 05, 2012, 09:53:44 pm
I disagree that laboratory is a cantrip it more than replaces itself
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: kilgoretrout103 on November 05, 2012, 10:22:02 pm
Prosperity
"This is the 4th addition to the game of Dominion. It adds 25 new Kingdom cards to Dominion, plus 2 new Basic cards that let players keep building up past Gold and Province. "
(emphasis added)

IMHO, this is the best textual evidence that Ruins are Basic cards, as it shows that cards need not be used in every game to be considered Basic. Absent that feature, Ruins are no different from Curses. As such, if Curses are Basic, Ruins should be, too.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: ConMan on November 05, 2012, 10:40:21 pm
I'd definitely agree that Ruins are Basic cards, but would probably argue that Spoils Shelters aren't, based on one possible reading of how the cards in any given game are split:
1. Kingdom Supply Cards
2. Cards not in the Supply
3. Basic Supply Cards, i.e. everything else

Then 2 captures the 10 (11 with Bane) Supply piles that make up this particular game, while 1 covers Tournament Prizes, Spoils, Shelters, Black Market Deck, and 3 includes everything in the "Base Cards" set plus the few piles of special buyable cards that could be added to the game depending on what the Kingdom is - including Ruins, Potions, Platinums and Colonies.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: DStu on November 06, 2012, 01:43:47 am
And the same applies to Hamlet, Upgrade, Laboratory, and so on.

I wouldn't include Upgrade, as mandatory trashing is not strictly positive.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on November 06, 2012, 03:54:01 am
Thanks for the research michaeljb.
But if we take the official definition, then Ruins and Spoils are both no basic cards. Nowhere is written that Ruins are basic cards.
And arguing that Ruins are similar to Curse is no valid argument, as I can say that Spoils are similar to Gold and both are only put on the board when at least one of 3 existing cards is in the kingdom. Even Potion is a basic card and is only on the board when one of 11 existing cards is in the kingdom.

For me a card is a basic card when it is referenced on at least 2 Kingdom cards. Rhetorical question: If there would be a card still to be released that would reference Prizes or Madman or Mercenary, would you see the latter as basic card?

Maybe we could get clarfication from Donald X.?

Another possibility would be to rename the caption of the row in the navbox to "Other" and it would solve the problem ;)
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: AJD on November 06, 2012, 08:42:54 am
Thanks for the research michaeljb.
But if we take the official definition, then Ruins and Spoils are both no basic cards. Nowhere is written that Ruins are basic cards.

There isn't an official "definition". We're trying to arrive at a reasonable and consistent definition based on the textual evidence we have; if there were a stated official definition this discussion would have a different character.

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And arguing that Ruins are similar to Curse is no valid argument, as I can say that Spoils are similar to Gold and both are only put on the board when at least one of 3 existing cards is in the kingdom.

Spoils are never put "on the board".
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Qvist on November 06, 2012, 09:02:18 am
Thanks for the research michaeljb.
But if we take the official definition, then Ruins and Spoils are both no basic cards. Nowhere is written that Ruins are basic cards.

There isn't an official "definition". We're trying to arrive at a reasonable and consistent definition based on the textual evidence we have; if there were a stated official definition this discussion would have a different character.
I know that there isn't an official definition. I meant the quotes from the rulebook that michaeljb posted.

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And arguing that Ruins are similar to Curse is no valid argument, as I can say that Spoils are similar to Gold and both are only put on the board when at least one of 3 existing cards is in the kingdom.

Spoils are never put "on the board".
I don't know if this a translation problem, but they aren't in the supply, but they are on the board/on the table.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: AJD on November 06, 2012, 09:08:43 am
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And arguing that Ruins are similar to Curse is no valid argument, as I can say that Spoils are similar to Gold and both are only put on the board when at least one of 3 existing cards is in the kingdom.

Spoils are never put "on the board".
I don't know if this a translation problem, but they aren't in the supply, but they are on the board/on the table.

There's no official definition of "on the board" either. You don't have to put Spoils on the table; you could totally leave them in the box and then just go fetch one whenever someone plays a Bandit Camp. That's why there's no setup instructions for them or statement in the rule book about when to use them, the way there is for Ruins and Potions and so on.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: GendoIkari on November 06, 2012, 10:55:12 am
In regards to cantrips, I completely agree with AJD. What matters in regards to referring to something as a cantrip is simply "can you play as many of them as you want every turn without any reason not to?" So that means that every card that gives at least 1 action, and at least 1 card, without forcing you to discard or trash, is a cantrip.

In other words, if after playing it, you have at least as many actions remaining as you did before, and at least as many cards in hand as you did before, then it's a cantrip.

The only questionable ones are Pawn, Tournament, Conspirator, and Trusty Steed. Those I would list as "sometimes cantrips".

*Edit* Also, Mystic in the "sometimes" category.

*Edit2* Band of Misfits could also be called "sometimes cantrip", but I probably wouldn't, unless you also plan on listing it as an attack, and a duration, and a dual-type card, and non-terminal draw, and terminal draw, etc.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: GendoIkari on November 06, 2012, 11:00:40 am
In regards to "basic".... my opinion is that a "basic" card is one that's used in every game, no matter what. That means there are only 7 basic cards, and there will never be any more.

Colony, Platinum, Potions, Shelters, and Ruins are not "basic" cards, but they do have their own special category... extra supply piles that have their own rules about whether or not they are included in the game; when included they act just like the basic cards.

Spoils, Prizes, Madmen, and Mercenary have another category of their own... piles which are not part of the supply, and cannot be bought or gained except by special effects that allow it, and do not count towards a 3-pile ending.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Donald X. on November 06, 2012, 01:25:17 pm
Maybe we could get clarfication from Donald X.?
I would just look at it in terms of utility in the wiki.

Copper, Silver, Gold, Estate, Duchy, Province, and Curse are cards with no text that come in three products. I would put them together. All other cards I would put with the expansion they come with, even though Base Cards reprints Platinum / Colony / Curse. I would put them after a different delimiter at the end of the list. I could see being redundant and having a Base Cards section in the big links block, with everything that product has, and still also having Potion with Alchemy and Platinum / Colony with Prosperity. Base Cards, it's a product, it has certain cards in it, there you go.

Personally, when it's a card article, I would probably just show the expansion list for that card at the bottom, and a list of other topics for that expansion if there are any, plus a list of expansions, and maybe a list of general topic areas if there is one. The giant block showing every card could still appear on the main page or something. OTOH what does it matter if there's a giant thing at the end of each article, maybe it's fine.

For me the most significant general categories are: free (+1 card +1 action or more), attack, village/throne, remodel/vault (trash or discard for benefit), +buy, non-attack interaction, victory, treasure, trash cards, gain cards. There is a broader useful category of all cards that are fine to get in multiples - +1 action or more, thrones, remodel/vault, victory, treasure. I'm not sure that has any merit for the wiki but it's useful when say writing a program to generate sets-of-10. Similarly you can group attacks with non-attack interaction. And then every expansion has themes that can be categories.

I have not read any Ayn Rand.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: AJD on November 06, 2012, 01:58:51 pm
In regards to cantrips, I completely agree with AJD. What matters in regards to referring to something as a cantrip is simply "can you play as many of them as you want every turn without any reason not to?" So that means that every card that gives at least 1 action, and at least 1 card, without forcing you to discard or trash, is a cantrip.

That's not complete agreement with me. I would regard Junk Dealer and Oasis as cantrips.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: eHalcyon on November 06, 2012, 06:27:20 pm
My idea of a basic card is a card that is NOT one of the 10 randomized cards that is nevertheless available for purchase in the supply, depending on more than just one card.

Therefore Colony and Plat are basic cards, as are Ruins.  Shelters and Spoils are not.  Bane is not either because it is tied solely to Young Witch.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: greatexpectations on November 06, 2012, 07:37:07 pm
I disagree that laboratory is a cantrip it more than replaces itself

same thing i said before. this is true of just about every cantrip out there. why should the +Card bonus count against being a cantrip while +$1 does not?
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: greatexpectations on November 06, 2012, 09:51:01 pm
in other news it has been what 12 days since qvist started up the wiki? as of this post we already have 306 articles with some pretty good variety and detail. that's pretty fantastic.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: dirkdebeule on June 28, 2022, 03:59:15 am
I see that there's a trivia section for each card, so here is all of the art trivia I can think of.

Bureaucrat: The art depicts the artist, Matthias Catrein.

Harem: The art depicts developer Valerie Putman. She's in the back, between the giant half face and the man.

Native Village: The art connects with Pirate Ship to the left.

Pearl Diver: The art depicts playtester Wei-Hwa Huang. He won a tournament at the Gathering of Friends where being depicted was the prize.

Island: The art connects with Pirate Ship to the right.

Navigator: The art depicts developer Dale Yu.

Pirate Ship: The art connects with Island to the left and Native Village to the right.

Bazaar: This art was turned in for Market, but by mistake another artist was also doing Market.

Scrying Pool: Village can be seen in the scrying pool.

City: This art was also used for the box for Carcassonne: The City.

Counting House: The art shows the victory point shield on the wall.

Goons: This art was turned in for Pawn.

Duchess: The art is related to the art for Duke.

Abandoned Mine: The art shows a ruined version of the art for Mine.

Mercenary: The art includes a dagger and red sash from Urchin.

Ruined Library: The art shows a ruined version of the art for Library.

Ruined Market: The art shows a ruined version of the art for Grand Market.

Ruined Village: The art shows a ruined version of the art for Walled Village.

Overgrown Estate: The art shows an overgrown version of the art for Estate, from Base Cards.

Storeroom: This art was turned in as an alternate option for Vault.

Sir Martin, Dame Anna, Dame Josephine, Sir Destry, Sir Michael, Sir Vander: The art depicts a playtester.

Pillage: The art shows Village, under attack.

Black Market: The expansion symbol is the Spielbox magazine symbol.

Envoy: The expansion symbol is the Wiener Riesenrad in Vienna.

Walled Village: The art shows the medieval village Carcassonne. The expansion symbol is a Carcassonne meeple.

Governor: The art continues art used for Puerto Rico: Anniversary Edition; the expansion symbol is from its cover.

Stash: The art includes faces of SdJ jury members on the coins. The expansion symbol is the award poppel.

Can you give an update for the last 10 years ;-)
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: Donald X. on June 30, 2022, 12:25:59 pm
Church: Depicts a real church, Schwerin Cathedral.

Captain: Depicts RTT, who won a tournament of some sort for the privilege.

Royal Blacksmith: Card renamed from Old Blacksmith due to the art.

Enchantress: It's Circe from Greek mythology.

Pixie: Ties into the art for Fool, Goat, and Lucky Coin (the Fool is also on Lost in the Woods).

Ducat: It's an authentic image of a ducat, an old Italian coin.

Old Witch: Ties into Young Witch.

Artifacts: Four of these tie into the card that makes them (Horn does not).

Sheepdog: The artist has promised not to copy source images so closely in the future. https://www.mondou.com/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-Mondou_CA-Library/default/dw51e77c41/images/Conseil/chien/berger-anglais/engsheep1.jpg

Way of the Turtle: I think this had the same issue, but don't see the source image at a glance.

Berserker: Depicts Dale Yu, formerly on Navigator.

Witch's Hut: Depicts Baba Yaga's hut.
Title: Re: Dominion Wiki
Post by: dirkdebeule on July 01, 2022, 09:05:28 am
Thanks Donald!