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Dominion => Rules Questions => Topic started by: bozzball on September 04, 2012, 10:40:33 am

Title: Counterfeit + Talisman
Post by: bozzball on September 04, 2012, 10:40:33 am
Am I right that if you counterfeit a talisman, you get:
 +1 Pound, +1 Buy from the counterfeit
 +2 Pounds from playing the talisman twice
but
 no get-a-free-copy-of-cheap-stuff property, because the talisman is no longer in play.
Title: Re: Counterfeit + Talisman
Post by: J-Kidder on September 04, 2012, 10:46:53 am
Yes, you are correct.
Title: Re: Counterfeit + Talisman
Post by: Qvist on September 04, 2012, 11:04:30 am
When I first saw Counterfeit, I immediately thought Counterfeit+Quarry is really strong. Counterfeit gives you the +Buy and all Action cards cost $4 less, not to forget the +$3 you get from those cards.

But Counterfeit+Quarry and Counterfeit+Talisman are not different from Counterfeit+Copper.
Similarly Counterfeit+Hoard and Counterfeit+Royal Seal are not different from Counterfeit+Silver.
Title: Re: Counterfeit + Talisman
Post by: Grujah on September 04, 2012, 06:16:15 pm
+1 Pound, +1 Buy from the counterfeit

+1 Pound, +1 Buy

Pound

 :o
Title: Re: Counterfeit + Talisman
Post by: Ozle on September 04, 2012, 06:16:41 pm
+1 Pound, +1 Buy from the counterfeit

+1 Pound, +1 Buy

Pound

 :o


££££££££!
Title: Re: Counterfeit + Talisman
Post by: kn1tt3r on September 05, 2012, 04:43:43 am
+1 Pound, +1 Buy from the counterfeit

+1 Pound, +1 Buy

Pound

 :o

The British €.
Title: Re: Counterfeit + Talisman
Post by: Kirian on September 05, 2012, 07:40:16 am
Trick question:  which is heavier, a pound of feathers, or a pound of silver (i.e. a pound sterling)?
Title: Re: Counterfeit + Talisman
Post by: Ozle on September 05, 2012, 07:46:09 am
Trick question:  which is heavier, a pound of feathers, or a pound of silver (i.e. a pound sterling)?

Would have made a bit better if you didn't announce it was a trick question beforehand....

Also, a pound sterling is not the same as a pound of silver.....Pound Sterling is the name for the a currency, therefore it has no weight. Whereas a pound of silver is a weight of silver (of which none is present in British coins I believe)

Title: Re: Counterfeit + Talisman
Post by: pingpongsam on September 05, 2012, 08:36:07 am
Britannia Coins contain silver and it is a grade higher than sterling (.925) known as Britannia silver (.9584). Perhaps you were referring to coins in current circulation.
Title: Re: Counterfeit + Talisman
Post by: Kirian on September 05, 2012, 01:12:33 pm
Trick question:  which is heavier, a pound of feathers, or a pound of silver (i.e. a pound sterling)?

Would have made a bit better if you didn't announce it was a trick question beforehand....

But what's the answer?

Quote
Also, a pound sterling is not the same as a pound of silver.....Pound Sterling is the name for the a currency, therefore it has no weight. Whereas a pound of silver is a weight of silver (of which none is present in British coins I believe)

OK, yes, I was using historical (and, yes, ancient historical) definitions in which 1 pound of currency was 1 pound of silver.
Title: Re: Counterfeit + Talisman
Post by: pingpongsam on September 05, 2012, 02:24:42 pm
A pound of feathers is likely expressed in avoirdupois making it 16 ounces or 453.6 grams.

A pound of silver is likely expressed in troy making it 12 troy ounces or 373.24 grams.

If these are the conventions being used then the pound of feathers is heavier.
Title: Re: Counterfeit + Talisman
Post by: Kirian on September 05, 2012, 02:29:35 pm
A pound of feathers is likely expressed in avoirdupois making it 16 ounces or 453.6 grams.

A pound of silver is likely expressed in troy making it 12 troy ounces or 373.24 grams.

If these are the conventions being used then the pound of feathers is heavier.

You win a cookie sir!!
Title: Re: Counterfeit + Talisman
Post by: SirPeebles on September 20, 2012, 10:09:50 pm
A pound of feathers is likely expressed in avoirdupois making it 16 ounces or 453.6 grams.

A pound of silver is likely expressed in troy making it 12 troy ounces or 373.24 grams.

If these are the conventions being used then the pound of feathers is heavier.

Well since you're being so precise.  The conversion to grams depends on converting force to mass.  Five significant figures is a tad much given how widely little g varies depending on your position on Earth's surface.
Title: Re: Counterfeit + Talisman
Post by: clb on September 20, 2012, 11:20:38 pm
I don't think they mean lb (force) but £ (currency) which was once tied to weight (and hence g), but has since been defined to be always exactly 373.24 grams (mass - no dependence on g). Or I misunderstood.
Title: Re: Counterfeit + Talisman
Post by: HiveMindEmulator on September 20, 2012, 11:40:14 pm
So what's heavier, a Counterfeit pound, or a pound of Talismans?
Title: Re: Counterfeit + Talisman
Post by: shMerker on September 21, 2012, 01:03:12 pm
I think the place where they keep the confiscated counterfeits would be more cumbersome than the team of talismans taking turns trumping-up trivial trades.