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Title: Clear P2 advantage
Post by: O on August 28, 2012, 05:18:51 am

I'm sure it's been documented before but it's hard to get any worse than this in terms of a P2 advantage:

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201208/28/game-20120828-021039-bece4025.html (http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201208/28/game-20120828-021039-bece4025.html)

Title: Re: Clear P2 advantage
Post by: DG on August 28, 2012, 10:45:23 am

Simulator shows it 54/42 for first player still, both players taking two embassies plus walled village if needed. That's not too different from a militia or ghost ship slog.

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<player name="Embassy/bank "
 author="DG"
 description="Test">
 <type name="TwoPlayer"/>
 <type name="UserCreated"/>
 <type name="Province"/>
 <type name="Bot"/>
 <type name="Optimized"/>
 <type name="BigMoney"/>
 <type name="SingleCard"/>
  <start_state>
    <hand contents="2 Copper, 3 Estate"/>
    <discard contents=""/>
    <drawdeck contents="5 Copper" shuffle="true"/>
  </start_state>
   <buy name="Colony"/>
   <buy name="Province">
      <condition>
         <left type="countCardsInSupply" attribute="Colony"/>
         <operator type="smallerOrEqualThan" />
         <right type="constant" attribute="6.0"/>
      </condition>
   </buy>
   <buy name="Duchy">
      <condition>
         <left type="gainsNeededToEndGame"/>
         <operator type="smallerOrEqualThan" />
         <right type="constant" attribute="4.0"/>
      </condition>
   </buy>
   <buy name="Estate">
      <condition>
         <left type="gainsNeededToEndGame"/>
         <operator type="smallerOrEqualThan" />
         <right type="constant" attribute="2.0"/>
      </condition>
   </buy>
   <buy name="Platinum"/>
   <buy name="Bank"/>
   <buy name="Gold"/>
   <buy name="Embassy">
      <condition>
         <left type="countCardsInDeck" attribute="Embassy"/>
         <operator type="smallerThan" />
         <right type="constant" attribute="2.0"/>
      </condition>
   </buy>
   <buy name="Walled_Village">
      <condition>
         <left type="countCardsInDeck" attribute="Walled_Village"/>
         <operator type="equalTo" />
         <right type="constant" attribute="0.0"/>
      </condition>
      <condition>
         <left type="countCardsInDeck" attribute="Embassy"/>
         <operator type="greaterThan" />
         <right type="constant" attribute="1.0"/>
      </condition>
   </buy>
   <buy name="Silver"/>
</player>


Title: Re: Clear P2 advantage
Post by: carstimon on August 28, 2012, 04:24:09 pm

Can you explain why this would give a second player advantage?

Title: Re: Clear P2 advantage
Post by: Hks on August 28, 2012, 05:04:16 pm

Quote from: carstimon on August 28, 2012, 04:24:09 pm

Can you explain why this would give a second player advantage?

Opponents gaining silver when Embassy is bought. If both started Nothing/Embassy, O would get the silver before the first reshuffle, ARTjoMS don't. I think that's it...

Title: Re: Clear P2 advantage
Post by: O on August 28, 2012, 05:19:46 pm

Quote from: DG on August 28, 2012, 10:45:23 am

Simulator shows it 54/42 for first player still, both players taking two embassies plus walled village if needed. That's not too different from a militia or ghost ship slog.

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<player name="Embassy/bank "
 author="DG"
 description="Test">
 <type name="TwoPlayer"/>
 <type name="UserCreated"/>
 <type name="Province"/>
 <type name="Bot"/>
 <type name="Optimized"/>
 <type name="BigMoney"/>
 <type name="SingleCard"/>
  <start_state>
    <hand contents="2 Copper, 3 Estate"/>
    <discard contents=""/>
    <drawdeck contents="5 Copper" shuffle="true"/>
  </start_state>
   <buy name="Colony"/>
   <buy name="Province">
      <condition>
         <left type="countCardsInSupply" attribute="Colony"/>
         <operator type="smallerOrEqualThan" />
         <right type="constant" attribute="6.0"/>
      </condition>
   </buy>
   <buy name="Duchy">
      <condition>
         <left type="gainsNeededToEndGame"/>
         <operator type="smallerOrEqualThan" />
         <right type="constant" attribute="4.0"/>
      </condition>
   </buy>
   <buy name="Estate">
      <condition>
         <left type="gainsNeededToEndGame"/>
         <operator type="smallerOrEqualThan" />
         <right type="constant" attribute="2.0"/>
      </condition>
   </buy>
   <buy name="Platinum"/>
   <buy name="Bank"/>
   <buy name="Gold"/>
   <buy name="Embassy">
      <condition>
         <left type="countCardsInDeck" attribute="Embassy"/>
         <operator type="smallerThan" />
         <right type="constant" attribute="2.0"/>
      </condition>
   </buy>
   <buy name="Walled_Village">
      <condition>
         <left type="countCardsInDeck" attribute="Walled_Village"/>
         <operator type="equalTo" />
         <right type="constant" attribute="0.0"/>
      </condition>
      <condition>
         <left type="countCardsInDeck" attribute="Embassy"/>
         <operator type="greaterThan" />
         <right type="constant" attribute="1.0"/>
      </condition>
   </buy>
   <buy name="Silver"/>
</player>


damn... but why is walled village referenced there?

Title: Re: Clear P2 advantage
Post by: DG on August 28, 2012, 05:43:58 pm

The simulator thinks it's the better play to have the walled village.

Title: Re: Clear P2 advantage
Post by: O on August 28, 2012, 05:46:57 pm

Quote from: DG on August 28, 2012, 05:43:58 pm

The simulator thinks it's the better play to have the walled village.

but thats pretty clearly wrong. You want two embassys at most and one embassy will get you a colony/plat in almost every play after turn, say, 6.

Title: Re: Clear P2 advantage
Post by: WanderingWinder on August 30, 2012, 12:53:04 pm

BM-Noble Brigand gives 2nd-player advantage.

Title: Re: Clear P2 advantage
Post by: zahlman on September 01, 2012, 02:49:55 am

It's depressing seeing the smithy-MV engine continually fail to coalesce. Poor guy...