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Dominion => Dominion General Discussion => Topic started by: kopoljones on July 24, 2012, 03:30:09 pm
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Need to buy my own physical copy of dominion.
I'm good enough to beat recreational players, and would be mincemeat to the real pros.
Anyways, I don't want to spring for the cash to buy every set. I figure I will buy base and 1 or 2 expansions. I'm a fan of Intirgue and Prosperity. however, that just seems to lead to playing BM most of the time.
If i'm going to buy 2-3 sets of Dominion, which one should I buy? Please keep in mind that the gameplay should be fun for newbs in multiplayer settings.
Thoughts?
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Gut reaction? Base, Seaside, Prosperity.
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IMO, go after Base set, Seaside and Prosperity.
Hinterlands is a favorite as well, but not so good on new players.
...or just buy all of them. That's what I ended up doing. :)
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Base Cards (So you'll have Platinum), Dark Ages, Seaside
(Though my gut reaction was Base/Intrigue/Seaside, add more when you can afford)
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I bought Base, Intrigue and Seaside. Then I got ruined by Isotropic and picked up Prosperity. Then I couldn't find anyone to play with because Isotropic made me into a better player than any of my friends.
I am going to get Dark Ages when it releases but I'm having trouble rationalizing buying the remaining expansions when no one wants to play with me anymore. :'(
That said, I'd probably get Cornucopia or Hinterlands next.
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this section from the FAQ (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=1994.msg31548#msg31548) might help:
Purchasing The Game- Dominion is awesome! What expansions should I buy next? - There is a post (http://dominionstrategy.com/what-expansions-should-i-get/) over on the blog which tries to answer this question, and you can find a few forum threads (1 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=635.0),2 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=1119.0)) on the subject as well. If you are looking for more information, there are also a few threads (1 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=2087.0),2 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=2092.0),3 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=2113.0),4 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=2288.0),5 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=2396.25)) which compare various attributes of the different expansions.
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Hinterlands is my favourite expansion even though I'm god awful with it according to my council room stats
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If you want to save money (assuming you'll eventually end up getting everything), you can start with the big box (includes base/alchemy) and then add another big expansion like seaside or prosperity for $100.
*EDIT* I feel so dirty editing this (stupid mafia) but Insomniac is right. Big box is Base+Alchemy+Prosperity for $100.
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If you want to save money (assuming you'll eventually end up getting everything), you can start with the big box (includes base/alchemy) and then add another big expansion like seaside or prosperity for $100.
Big box is alchemy+Base+prosperity so dont add prosperity! I know Cuz I did this.
Big Box
Intrigue
Seaside
Cornucopia
Hinterlands
ALL THE PROMOS
--To come--
Promos as they arise
Dark Ages
The Guilds
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Intrigue, Seaside, Hinterlands!
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I'm a fan of Intirgue and Prosperity. however, that just seems to lead to playing BM most of the time.
If you're a fan of those, than those are the ones you should buy. If you find that you end up playing BM most of the time, you should just not do that :). Also add Seaside, which has some great cards for engines.
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Is seaside easy to play in RL? Are duration cards more annoying than fun or vice versa?
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Is seaside easy to play in RL? Are duration cards more annoying than fun or vice versa?
What's most annoying with durations IRL is cleaning up your Caravan rather than leaving it out and so ending up using it as a pointless cantrip.
But otherwise, I really like Seaside. And yes, it has some awesome engine fun.
For example: Wharf + Fishing Village + Merchant Ship = Awesome.
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Nah, it's not particularly annoying. You'll forget to keep durations out on occasion, but after a while you'll get into a habit of setting them a little to the side or turning them sideways or something and everything will go smoothly.
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When I play with durations I create a top row for them. The regular cards go on the second row and get cleaned up. During the cleanup the durations move off the top row onto the second row.
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Nah, it's not particularly annoying. You'll forget to keep durations out on occasion, but after a while you'll get into a habit of setting them a little to the side or turning them sideways or something and everything will go smoothly.
When I play other people, it seems like separating Durations is the #1 tricky thing to get down, #2 being the "set aside" mechanic on Golem and such, #3 being that cards go "in play" and not immediately into the discard (I guess I should add Gained cards being discarded to that list). I consistently hear "Oh shoot, I should have had a Fishing Village left over!" despite my showing the importance of separating the cards every time. Alas.
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Intrigue, Prosperity, Seaside.
You are lucky you have all this advice. My first three were Base, Cornucopia, an Seaside. :o
About durations, if there are alot, I'll make a new row, but if there aren't I'll just deal with them.
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Prosperity is a big money set? o.0
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I don't like intrigue. Too many cards that change nothing (Secret Chamber, Great Hall, Wishing Well, Coppersmith, Ironworks, Scout) and two that warp the game far too much (Minion, Torturer).
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Base, so you can introduce new players easily (need to have more victims!)
Intrigue, so you can have an extra set of base cards and thus can have eight person Dominion parties.
Seaside, because Tactician is fun.
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Base because it's awesome, and a great introduction.
Seaside because it's the best expansion in my opinion.
And prosperity because it gives colonies and platinums. With those three sets you should be set, and I think seaside is a blast in person. I MUCH prefer in person to ISO
Intrigue is nice to get a ton of base cards, but really...does anyone enjoy playing dominion with more than 3 or 4 players...I don't like to wait 5 minutes between each turn.
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I would say :
- Base, Seaside, Prosperity if you want to introduce new players
- Base, Cornucopia, Hinterlands/Seaside if you want to play with advanced players
I don't like intrigue. Too many cards that change nothing (Secret Chamber, Great Hall, Wishing Well, Coppersmith, Ironworks, Scout)
I agree with you on scout, but so wrong for the rest. Especially coppersmith which is really an amazing card.
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Base/Seaside should always be your starting point.
After that, you can go Cornucopia if you want a small expansion. If you want a big one, I don't really know... I'm not a huge fan of Prosperity, so I would probably say Hinterlands.
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I recommend saving Cornucopia for later. For two reasons:
1) You will get warped opinions on the cards.
2) You will be confused by HoP and hate Tournament. You will end up hating Tournament anyway, but try to postpone it as long as possible.
This is if you have not played with any of the cards before. If you have, by all means, get Cornucopia.
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Cornucopia is by far my favorite expansion. Menagerie and HoP are my two favorite cards of the game. Young Witch is my favorite curser. Jester and Fortune teller are my favorite attacks. Hunting party is my favorite non-terminal drawer. Remake is my favorite trasher. Horse traders is my favorite reaction. I love all cornucopia cards, perhaps a little less tournament but I don't HATE it.
And cornucopia is not the most difficult expansion. I think it's about the same difficulty level as Prosperity.
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I never said it was the most difficult.
HoP is NOT a good card for newbs. When I play with HoP and Newbs at the same time, I find myself constantly explaining it.
And Tournament,well, I guess I am one of those people who hate Tournament.
I agree with you on Jester! :)
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I'm not sure if Cornucopia would be good for a I-am-only-buying-two-expansions situation. As Morgrim referenced, there are plenty of cards that would need explaining to friends that you are trying to introduce a super cool game to. (and as I've found, each explanation that occurs reduces fun by some non-trivial amount) I think Seaside is just plain fun, some solid cards and some cards that are fun to play with even if you lose. Prosperity is fun too, but if you aren't a fan of that then Hinterlands also has fun/interesting cards. When starting to explain the game to new friends, fun/interesting is what you're looking for.
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HoP is NOT a good card for newbs. When I play with HoP and Newbs at the same time, I find myself constantly explaining it.
I'm not sure if Cornucopia would be good for a I-am-only-buying-two-expansions situation.
I agree, as I said if you want to play with new players : Seaside is the best choice. Otherwise, take cornucopia (or Seaside if you want a large set).
Seaside is the expansion with the best quality/simplicity ratio, and IMO it fits very well with the main set, unlike Intrigue (seaside fits well with all sets, in fact).
Prosperity is more difficult, and I don't recommend it as a first expansion.
Hinterlands and Alchemy are too complex.
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Prosperity is more difficult, and I don't recommend it as a first expansion.
Yeah, I guess in my mind I was imagining introducing new players by first playing 2-3 games with base, then adding in fun/simple seaside. If friends really like it and are building some experience (two of my friends in particular loved Dominion so much that the night I taught it to them, we went on to play 10 games, and then played again two days later), then they can break out Prosperity for added complexity.
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I'm a fan of Intirgue and Prosperity. however, that just seems to lead to playing BM most of the time.
Wait, what? Prosperity is the most engine-friendly set out there, and Intrigue's certainly less BM-centric than the base set. How is it that you end up playing BM most of the time?
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I was introduced to the game by friends who owned Base but not Intrigue, and so the first box I bought on my own was Intrigue. That meant I had a number of games with family with Intrigue but no Base cards. It wasn't bad, per se, but not having the Base set available really makes you realize how important those cards are, conceptually, to the game of Dominion. They really represent the essence of the game.
So, I would recommend the Base set as one of your three. Intrigue is a great compliment to the base set, but I find it doesn't change the game that much. I love playing with Intrigue, but playing with just Base and Intrigue wasn't substantially better than playing with just Base. Consequently, I would recommend doing another set instead of Intrigue.
Everyone loves Seaside, so that's a solid recommendation. I have yet to find someone who didn't enjoy that set.
So, you've got Base and Seaside. Prosperity has some of the most powerful cards in the game and makes killer engines possible, so that's a strong contender for your third set. Cornucopia is fun but complex, and with only half as many cards it's not a great choice if you're just buying three sets. Hinterlands is one of my favorite sets because it really adds some strategic depth, and it does pair nicely with Seaside as the "this turn/next turn" thematic combo, so that would be a second reasonable choice. I like Alchemy a lot, but it's not a great choice if you are playing with newer players.
Thus, my recommendations would be Base/Seaside/Prosperity, followed closely by Base/Seaside/Hinterlands.