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Miscellaneous => Forum Games => Non-Mafia Game Threads => Topic started by: EFHW on June 15, 2022, 04:36:28 pm
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Hi Everyone, Is there interest in playing Break the Code? I recreated it using Google Sheets. Here is the link to the board game instructions. (http://boardgame.bg/break%20the%20code%20rules.pdf)
URL for game board and forum instructions. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/193pMH7UY4hI2HvWoTUgdMf65EIx0nJ_hR166Tngsc5E/edit?usp=sharing)
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If you aren't familiar with the game, I'd describe it as a very satisfying puzzle experience. Very well suited to asynchronous play.
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I would be willing to try, but not until some time in July.
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okay!
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Never tried it before, but sounds good. Count me in for a round please.
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Yay! Just need one more.
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/in
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Awesome. I'll set it up. We can take a 4th person, but 3 works.
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The board is set up. Random.org says I go first, then fang, then Jimmmmm.
So fang, you are player 2 of 3 and Jimmmmm, you are player 3 of 3. Post here when you've got your tiles or if you have questions. Link in the OP.
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Worksheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1y3YtA9NyYIVA34y1Lt3_jJHtbRsJITralrcZa3Lf7SY/edit?usp=sharing)if you want it. Make a copy for yourself.
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I've read the rules but I won't be able to look at this properly until tomorrow.
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Ok, that's fine
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Right, I've made a copy of my tiles, reordered according to the rules. And I've looked at the 6 revealed questions. So I think I'm ready.
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Same.
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This looks cool. Is it something one could follow/spectate very well if they’ve never played before?
The randomizer is interesting. Looks like you would have 100% identical games after the first 21 in a row, without replacing the template. (Or if it gets updated by any game mods who access it, then after several games the chance increases that you’ll have an identical setup to one of your previous games.) Though I assume that is easily detected and fixable.
Does a player answer their own question on their turn? Or do only the other players answer?
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Sure. The asker does not share their answer to their question. If we get past 21, I can refresh the randomizer page.
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First question:
How many black tiles do you have?
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Identical games is only an issue if the players are same, and even then they might have a different player order.
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It looks like someone redid the setup. That's ok, but make sure you have the right tiles noted. Keep same player order.
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It looks like someone redid the setup. That's ok, but make sure you have the right tiles noted. Keep same player order.
Ok, yes, it has changed! Noted down my new numbers.
With the public link, I guess anyone could meddle and change it any time. Should we keep our own records of the available questions also, then we can continue the game even if it gets changed again?
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First question:
How many black tiles do you have?
fang: 2
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This looks cool. Is it something one could follow/spectate very well if they’ve never played before?
Spectating, you can choose how much info you want to know! No info, or all info, or from one player's viewpoint.
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This looks cool. Is it something one could follow/spectate very well if they’ve never played before?
Spectating, you can choose how much info you want to know! No info, or all info, or from one player's viewpoint.
Oh yeah, I suppose someone could totally do that here.
And now that I’ve read the rules- in only 4-player you do answer your own questions.
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It looks like someone redid the setup. That's ok, but make sure you have the right tiles noted. Keep same player order.
Ok, yes, it has changed! Noted down my new numbers.
With the public link, I guess anyone could meddle and change it any time. Should we keep our own records of the available questions also, then we can continue the game even if it gets changed again?
Hmm, just noting it all down isn't enough is it - if someone re-randomises then the concealed tiles change, which ruins it.
So either we need a mod, or a private copy of the spreadsheet available to players only. Or trust that no-one will ruin our game accidentally or intentionally!
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We could reconstruct the game at any time, though, because we still have the randomization information for the original. I didn't do that this time, but I could have. I also noticed that the questions didn't get randomized. But that's ok since it's our first game. Maybe keep a record of what questions you have asked.
I could in the future send the link when we have players and just change it each time. Spectators could have it, too.
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This looks cool. Is it something one could follow/spectate very well if they’ve never played before?
Spectating, you can choose how much info you want to know! No info, or all info, or from one player's viewpoint.
Oh yeah, I suppose someone could totally do that here.
And now that I’ve read the rules- in only 4-player you do answer your own questions.
I've never played that way. It sounds less fun. Makes the game quicker, though, if that's desired.
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First question:
How many black tiles do you have?
Jim: 3
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Great. Now fang chooses a question and Jimmmmm and I answer it.
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Second question:
Name your contiguous locations with consecutive numbers
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Second question:
Name your contiguous locations with consecutive numbers
b-e
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We could reconstruct the game at any time, though, because we still have the randomization information for the original. I didn't do that this time, but I could have. I also noticed that the questions didn't get randomized. But that's ok since it's our first game. Maybe keep a record of what questions you have asked.
I could in the future send the link when we have players and just change it each time. Spectators could have it, too.
Another solution is all players could take their own copy of the spreadsheet when the game starts. (I've taken a copy of this one now.)
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Second question:
Name your contiguous locations with consecutive numbers
b-e
Just to clarify - you mean that b-c-d-e are consecutive numbers?
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c-d
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Second question:
Name your contiguous locations with consecutive numbers
b-e
Just to clarify - you mean that b-c-d-e are consecutive numbers?
Yes.
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Thx. Your turn whenever you are ready.
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Name your contiguous locations with the same color
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b-c
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Name your contiguous locations with the same color
c-d
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What is the difference between your highest and lowest tiles?
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What is the difference between your highest and lowest tiles?
5
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What is the difference between your highest and lowest tiles?
5
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What is the sum of all your tiles?
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What is the sum of all your tiles?
14
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28
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Jimmmmm's up
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Jimmmmm's up
When you're ready. It's typical to take some time to think before taking your turn at this point in the game.
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What is the sum of your 3 leftmost tiles?
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26
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Leftmost?
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oops. 10. I'm always mixing up left and right.
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I won't include the rightmost one in my notes.
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I won't include the rightmost one in my notes.
It's ok, my mistake
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What is the sum of your 3 leftmost tiles?
15
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I am ready to guess.
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You just note it down and look, right?
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I got it right.
Since I went first, each of you gets a chance to guess the answer and win with me. Or you can ask a question and play for second.
PPE Jimmmmm: Right
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fang's turn
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Ok, I'm guessing also.
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I got it right too.
Jimmmmm?
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Something's not adding up for me.
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Before checking...
I have W0 | B2 | B3 | B4 | G5.
EFHW has a total of 28 and a | b | c sum is 10, therefore d | e sum is 18, which can only be B9 | W9.
c | d is consecutive but different colours, so must have ? | ? | W8 | B9 | W9.
a | b sum is therefore 2, and b | c are same colour, leaving B0 | W2 | W8 | B9 | W9 or B1 | W1 | W8 | B9 | W9.
fang's c | d are the same colour. They can't be 5G as I have one. e can't be 5G as there is no X | Y | X | X combination less than 5. a can't be 5G as a | b | c would sum to at least 17.
If b is 5G then a and c must sum to 10. c can't be 7 as that would require a higher W, so it must be 4W | 5G | 6W | 7W | 8B, but the difference between the e and the a is only 4, so b can't be 5G, so we have all B and W.
Only two B so it must be W | B | W | W | B. But that doesn't work because the first B must be at least 6, and there's no W higher than 7.
So something somewhere has gone wrong it seems.
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Alright so EFHW is B0 | W2 | W8 | B9 | W9 as expected.
fang is W3 | B6 | W6 | W7 | B8.
Ah yes so I was overlooking the possibility of b | c being the same number. Other than that I don't seem to have enough information to distinguish between the two possibilities for EFHW.
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I also didn't have enough info to distinguish between the two possibilities for EFHW... except that one of them gave her enough info to guess with certainty and the other she'd have only had a 33% chance of being right. So I assumed the former.
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Good game though, it is amazing how quickly the info all comes together.
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Good game though, it is amazing how quickly the info all comes together.
Ah yes I would have gone into that thought process if I was actually trying to get the answer.
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I also didn't have enough info to distinguish between the two possibilities for EFHW... except that one of them gave her enough info to guess with certainty and the other she'd have only had a 33% chance of being right. So I assumed the former.
Ah yes I would have gone into that thought process if I was actually trying to get the answer.
FTFM
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I'd play again. It seemed quite quick, which is probably a good thing IRL, but in this format it might be interesting to try using more tiles and longer codes?
I feel like having 4 consecutive numbers made mine very easy to get. My choice of questions, particularly my first one, was intended to take away what would be most useful in further clearing up my hand.
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Yes, my double-6 meant that your run of 4 gave me lots of info. But once you'd chosen that colour question, it was hard for me to find out anything more, because all the other questions were about numbers.
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yeah, you guys caught on quickly! I picked the high-low question to obfuscate my first and last numbers.
Fang, are you in again? I think Swowl wants to play, and we can see if 4 person is more challenging than 3. Let's continue with asker doesn't reveal their info.
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I'd play again. It seemed quite quick, which is probably a good thing IRL, but in this format it might be interesting to try using more tiles and longer codes?
I feel like having 4 consecutive numbers made mine very easy to get. My choice of questions, particularly my first one, was intended to take away what would be most useful in further clearing up my hand.
Yeah, the 4 consecutive numbers did take me a very long way.
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another way to make it harder would be to not have tiles of our own.
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another way to make it harder would be to not have tiles of our own.
Well, one person could play that way as spectator.
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/inagain
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Actually I'd better sit out for a round, as I'm VLA next week and there seems a reasonable chance it wouldn't finish until then.
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Can we play again?
EFHW, Jimmm, anyone else?
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Sure.
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Definitely! Better to wait a couple days though. I'm currently vla. Home Thursday.
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I could probably join in.
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Ok, a few days turned into weeks. Sorry about that! I have a game set up now. Who wants to play?
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Ok, a few days turned into weeks. Sorry about that! I have a game set up now. Who wants to play?
/in fang thief
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Cool, just need 1 more, could take 2 more.
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fang we could play just the two of us. We try to guess each other's tiles instead of hidden ones and guessing wrong doesn't make you lose. We can use the 3 player setup. How about you be 1 of 3 and I'll be 2 of 3?
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Oh sorry didn't realise I was no longer being counted. Still /in.
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Ok, you can be player 3 of 3! Fang is up.
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Let's go.
What is the sum of all your tiles?
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26
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20
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What is the difference between your highest and lowest tiles?
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6
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6
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6
6 for you too?
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Yep.
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Your turn.
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What is the sum of your black tiles?
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4
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15
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Name your contiguous locations with consecutive numbers
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a-b
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a-b, c-d
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What is the sum of your center tiles?
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What is the sum of your center tiles?
8
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12
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Your turn, Jimmmmm, when you are ready.
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I am ready to guess.
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I got it right.
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Cool, well done Jimmmmm.
So I think you win? No chance for EFHW or I to tie because you've had fewest turns.
In fact I think there is enough info at this point for a spectator without seeing any of the hands to know what everyone's cards are!
I wonder if sometimes the correct move is to pick a question that doesn't get the most info - my second question (consecutive numbers) told me everything I needed, but it also revealed lots to both other players.
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Yes, I was thinking Jimmmmm was about to win! gg!
Go again?
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Yeah being the last to have another turn after you ask a question is a pretty big deal.
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My working:
fang's black sum was 4. Given that I had B1, he had to have B4.
His centre sum was 8. There was no way to make 8 with 3 whites all higher or all lower than 4, so B4 had to be in the centre 3, meaning the other two had to be W0 + W4 or W1 + W3.
Given that his B was 0 or 1 and B1 was impossible, his A had to be 0, therefore his E had to be W6 to make the difference of 6.
So we have B0 W0 B4 W4 W6 or X0 W1 W3 B4 W6.
EFWH's black sum was 15. With the remaining blacks, that could only be B6 + B9 or B7 + B8 (ignoring B0). At least the leftmost of these had to be adjacent to a consecutive, and no 5s or 7s were available, therefore we must have B7 + B8 as C + D. E was not consecutive or black, so must be W8. A + B had to be consecutive and add to 3 to make the sum of 26 so we have W1 W2 B7 B8 W8.
We now know which one of the two options for fang is correct.
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Cool, well done Jimmmmm.
So I think you win? No chance for EFHW or I to tie because you've had fewest turns.
In fact I think there is enough info at this point for a spectator without seeing any of the hands to know what everyone's cards are!
I wonder if sometimes the correct move is to pick a question that doesn't get the most info - my second question (consecutive numbers) told me everything I needed, but it also revealed lots to both other players.
Picking useless questions is definitely a strategy.
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We'll rotate the player order if we play again. Jimmmmm first, fang second, me third
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My working:
My process was different because I started with you.
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New game is ready to go whenever.
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Name your continguous (sic) locations with the same color.
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Name your continguous (sic) locations with the same color.
Hint taken.
d-e
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a-b
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How many even tiles do you have? (0 is even)
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3
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2
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Name your contiguous locations with consecutive numbers
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b-c, d-e
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b-d
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Is your tile in the C position greater than 4?
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Yes
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yes
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What is the sum of your 3 rightmost tiles?
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20
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21
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What is the difference between your highest and lowest tiles?
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4
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9
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Guessing.
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I was right.
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Guessing
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I was wrong
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I'll guess. 25% chance I'll guess right, but I'll make an assumption that lets me choose.
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I got it right!
My assumption was that Jimmmmm picked the contiguous tiles with same color question because his tiles were all black.
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Correct!
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As far as I could tell, I'd narrowed it down to three options - the correct one or fang: G5 G5 W6 B7 W9, EFHW: B1 W1/W3 B6 W7 W8. I wasn't really sure if they were each equally likely, but the first one kind of felt like 50%, so I went with that and was luckily correct.
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As far as I could tell, I'd narrowed it down to three options - the correct one or fang: G5 G5 W6 B7 W9, EFHW: B1 W1/W3 B6 W7 W8. I wasn't really sure if they were each equally likely, but the first one kind of felt like 50%, so I went with that and was luckily correct.
Yes, well you fooled me!
I'd narrowed yours down to 8 options:
- 5 of them would let you know the hidden cards
- 2 of them would give you two options for the hidden cards
- 1 of them would give you three options for the hidden cards
So when you guessed (and got it right) it seemed most likely that you had one of the 5. Then I used same reasoning as EFHW, and guessed you had the one which had most contiguous tiles with same colour. But turns out you had the 1 which gave you three options!
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Game is reset.
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If we're playing again, I'm first, Jimmmmm is second, fang is third.
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gogogo
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gogogo
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How many black tiles do you have?
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2
(looks like the "1 of 3" and "2 of 3" tabs are swapped order - make sure you look at the right one!)
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3
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How many white tiles do you have?
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3
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2
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What is the difference between your highest and lowest tiles?
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6
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7
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What is the sum of your center tiles?
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14
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15
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Is your tile in the C position greater than 4?
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yes
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yes
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Jimmm, did you pick from choice of only 5 questions, instead of 6?
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Jimmm, did you pick from choice of only 5 questions, instead of 6?
It looks like he did. I updated the board now.
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Oh true.
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What is the sum of your 3 leftmost tiles?
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11
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11
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EFHW, your turn I think?
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EFHW, your turn I think?
Shoot! All this time I thought it was your turn.
Where are your 1's?
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Where are your 1's?
Nowhere.
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Nowhere
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Jimmmmm's up, right? Not me!
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How many even tiles do you have? (0 is even)
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1
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3
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I'm going to guess
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I got it right
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I went last so that means I win?
:)
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Yes! How did you figure out the colors?
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It fell out from the numbers and the tiles I had. I think you knew Jimmm's numbers but not his colours?
You had both 5's and 2 whites, thus 1 black. I had the white 7.
Jimmm had no 5's, both 4's and 3 blacks, so ignoring the 4's that's two blacks and a white. I had white 6 and 9.
Probably I had an advantage there because the two of you had no numbers in common.
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It fell out from the numbers and the tiles I had. I think you knew Jimmm's numbers but not his colours?
You had both 5's and 2 whites, thus 1 black. I had the white 7.
Jimmm had no 5's, both 4's and 3 blacks, so ignoring the 4's that's two blacks and a white. I had white 6 and 9.
Probably I had an advantage there because the two of you had no numbers in common.
Yeah, I had the numbers but would have had to guess too many things to be ready to try to guess the answer.
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game reset. Fang would be first.
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Sorry I might /out for now.
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Sure. Thanks for playing!
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I'm VLA for the next week.
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Okay! I'm available for a game whenever.