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Dominion => Puzzles and Challenges => Topic started by: NoMoreFun on June 09, 2022, 11:13:48 pm
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Challenge 1: Find the highest possible score from Plateau Shepherds.
Challenge 2: Receive over 100 points from Plateau Shepherds in the fewest turns
Challenge 3: Receive over 200 points from Plateau Shepherds in the fewest turns
Rules:
* No Black Market
* You can assume perfect shuffle luck for hypotheticals (or try this challenge for yourself)
* No removed 1E cards (No Ambassador)
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In multiplayer games, I get the highest number for challenge 1 with the following kingdom:
Card Number of $2 cards (including starting cards)
Imp gainer 13
Pixie 11
Tracker 11
Bauble 10 (+any number of Favors)
6 other $2 cards: 60
Estates: 15
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120 $2 cards, for 240 VP
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In multiplayer games, I get the highest number for challenge 1 with the following kingdom:
Card Number of $2 cards (including starting cards)
Imp gainer 13
Pixie 11
Tracker 11
Bauble 10 (+any number of Favors)
6 other $2 cards: 60
Estates: 15
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120 $2 cards, for 240 VP
With Inheritance and Lurker (as one of the $2 cards) you can gain everyone else's Estates out of the trash, for another 9.
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lurker can get you another 15 in 6 player games, rather than just 9 from 4 player games.
Additionally, black market can add some. There are 53 2-cost cards, but 6 are events or heirlooms, so 47. With the 1 imp gainer, you have 39 2-cost cards eligible for BM, making black market an increase of 29 cards or 58vp.
Masquerade is another way to get the estates from another player, and get the 3 heirlooms. loosing the 9 from lurker (one into the BM deck), that gives an additional 6 cards or 12 vp. Of course, linked cards in the BM deck.
Why are pixie and tracker 11 in the math? Assuming that’s right, 164 cards and 328vp.
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lurker can get you another 15 in 6 player games, rather than just 9 from 4 player games.
Additionally, black market can add some. There are 53 2-cost cards, but 6 are events or heirlooms, so 47. With the 1 imp gainer, you have 39 2-cost cards eligible for BM, making black market an increase of 29 cards or 58vp.
Masquerade is another way to get the estates from another player, and get the 3 heirlooms. loosing the 9 from lurker (one into the BM deck), that gives an additional 6 cards or 12 vp. Of course, linked cards in the BM deck.
Why are pixie and tracker 11 in the math? Assuming that’s right, 164 cards and 328vp.
Black Market is not allowed according to the OP. ;-)
Both Pixie and Tracker are a pile of 10 $2 kingdom cards plus a $2 heirloom, so 11 $2 cards each.
Masquerade could indeed give you another 5 Pouches and Goats each in 6p-games, but without BM you lose a 10-card $2 pile, so it doesn't change the total VP you can get.
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Masquerade could indeed give you another 5 Pouches and Goats each in 6p-games, but without BM you lose a 10-card $2 pile, so it doesn't change the total VP you can get.
Couldn't you play Masquerade via Way of the Mouse?
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Oh, that’s my bad. Assuming there isn’t another landscape required, yes masquerade could come from WotM, giving 145 cards or 290vp.
If black market were aloud with WotM, it would make it 173 and 346
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Additionally, black market can add some. There are 53 2-cost cards, but 6 are events or heirlooms, so 47. With the 1 imp gainer, you have 39 2-cost cards eligible for BM, making black market an increase of 29 cards or 58vp.
BTW, are there really 47 2-cost kingdom cards? http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Dominion_Card_Glicko (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Dominion_Card_Glicko) only mentions 41 as of 2020 (42 "0-2 cost cards" minus Poor House). Since then, Allies has added 3 new $2 cards, but the 2E's of seaside and Hinterlands have removed another 3 $2 cards (replacing them with more expensive cards), so the total number should remain 41, not 47.
Edit:
There's also the non-kingdom card Bat at $2, which you could get from a Black Market Vampire.
So if you allow Black Market as Way of the Mouse and put Masquerade, Shepherd (for the 3rd $2 Heirloom Pasture), Young Witch, the Imp gainer, Vampire and all other $2 kingdom cards into the BM deck, you could get
Card Number of $2 cards (including starting cards)
Bauble 10 (+any number of Favors)
10 other $2 cards: 100 (including Pixie, Tracker)
Estates 30 (12+6*3)
Imp 13
Heirlooms 18 (6*3)
BM deck 31 (41 - 11 $2 kingdom cards +Bat)
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202 $2 cards, for 404 VP
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Dominion strategy lists 53 2 cost cards and card shaped things I may have missed a few events, but I tried to subtract the events and heirlooms. I forgot about estates, but still only count 7 2 costs not directly available through the BM or the Supply. Do note that at least 2 of these are in split piles, but that doesn’t matter for BM
Exchanging doesn’t work with cards in the BM, so vampire must be in the supply. Also, imp gainers in the BM can get more than 1, despite only counting 1 in my math.
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Dominion strategy lists 53 2 cost cards and card shaped things I may have missed a few events, but I tried to subtract the events and heirlooms. I forgot about estates, but still only count 7 2 costs not directly available through the BM or the Supply. Do note that at least 2 of these are in split piles, but that doesn’t matter for BM
Exchanging doesn’t work with cards in the BM, so vampire must be in the supply. Also, imp gainers in the BM can get more than 1, despite only counting 1 in my math.
There are 7 $2 Events, 3 $2 Heirlooms, Bat, Estate - subtracting those from 53 gives 41.
You're right about Vampire not exchanging from the BM. Fortunately, swapping Vampire with a $2 kingdom card doesn't change the total number of $2 cards, which remains at 202 by my count.
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Likely, I’m missing the events. My bad, and good work.