You win when all threats to the human population have been eliminated, or nothing can stop that from happening. You earn 5 points from winning.
President
Executive order. At the start of each Day, draw three cards from the Executive Order deck. You must pick one of them to enact within the first 72 hours of the Day. If you miss this deadline, a random order will be enacted. Orders are executed instantaneously when you submit the order. If the Day ends before you submit an order, there will be no order executed that Day.
Pick Vice President. When you obtain this role, and every even Night after it, you have 36 hours to select another player. That player will receive the role of Vice President.
Colonial One. You have a QT with your Vice President, open at all times.
Vice President.
Next in line. When the President is removed from the game, you obtain their power.
Colonial One. You have a QT with the President, open at all times.
Quote Civilian jurisdiction | Quote Curfew | Quote Military police force |
Quote Presidential pardon | Quote Isolate Colonial One | Quote Prioritize |
Quote Mandate testing |
I'm tentatively /interested but if it's starting very soon, I might have to drop out before it does.I'm pretty sure that it won't start for another 2 weeks .
A couple of questions: will any of the cylons know they're cylons? or will they all be unaware at the start? (and will "species" stay consistent for characters across games?Good questions! Unfortunately not of the sort that I will answer ;)
Do the players know when someone swaps characters between games?It will not be public knowledge, but in rare cases it might be possible for one player to gain control of a character that another player gave up.
Whenever a new phase begins, all players should carefully check the game thread as well as any QT they have access to before posting anywhere.
confirm/ing!
I have no idea about flavor though :(
/in, assuming familiarity with BSG is not a pre-requisite.
/in, assuming familiarity with BSG is not a pre-requisite.With the reserved spots, and the new sign-ups, there is currently no space left :( But if someone doesn't confirm, I will give you that slot.
Also, the set-up looks a bit confusing to me. There are a lot of extra layers. But I will assume it runs somewhat similar to a regular mafia game, just with some extra interactions and complexity. I'll read the details a couple more times before game starts, and probably post some questions, but I'm sure I'll pick it up as we go.The setup is certainly complicated. RMM stands for "Role Madness Mafia" around here; i.e. games where basically everyone gets a special role. The basic structure is as in a regular mafia game, but there is a lot more going on. Also this is the first installment in a series of 4 games. I would give preference to the players who feel up to sticking around for the whole series.
Oh I'm in for the series. No worries there.Also, the set-up looks a bit confusing to me. There are a lot of extra layers. But I will assume it runs somewhat similar to a regular mafia game, just with some extra interactions and complexity. I'll read the details a couple more times before game starts, and probably post some questions, but I'm sure I'll pick it up as we go.The setup is certainly complicated. RMM stands for "Role Madness Mafia" around here; i.e. games where basically everyone gets a special role. The basic structure is as in a regular mafia game, but there is a lot more going on. Also this is the first installment in a series of 4 games. I would give preference to the players who feel up to sticking around for the whole series.
/tagShould I count this as a confirmation?
/tagShould I count this as a confirmation?
Does () around my name in the first post mean I haven't checked in? Because I checked in several posts above.Sorry, missed that!
Would it be possible for there to be a sort of swap of characters that happens between two players in the game over the course of the games?It may be possible. The character arcs would usually remain the same, so that would be information available to the original player. Role information and alignment will change between games usually.
And if it is, would the player that originally had the character in question know additional information about the player that picked up their previous character?
I would aim to have this game start around March 15. Does that work for everyone?
You know the military/civilian thing? Anyone notice anything strange about that?
You know the military/civilian thing? Anyone notice anything strange about that?
Never mind. I see the setup post was updated recently.
Hi everyone! Swowl's back to being a player, and this game has been deemed interesting enough for Awaclus to join, this is going to be fun!
Vote: scola for winning as scum, I forgot what I learned from that game as it's been a while, but let's relearn it.
Jack Rudd, I don't think I've played with you yet...in fact you haven't played mafia in f.ds at all? I've seen you around in the forum though.
Oh, that means you haven't pledged (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7695.0)! You should check that out. How much have you played? How much do you know about mafia? Have you read past f.ds games?
And math's president, how exciting! I have a plan with regards to the president, but I want to wait a bit before I say it.
vote: MiX
Request vote count
Vote: LaLight for making my usual opening vote more useless than normal.
Vote: LaLight for making my usual opening vote more useless than normal.
I've played a lot of Codenames; haven't really played Mafia. I think I followed the first game ever played on this forum, in which theory made the memorable quote "this crow is delicious".
Vote: LaLight for making my usual opening vote more useless than normal.
i really chuckled in this
Vote: LaLight for making my usual opening vote more useless than normal.
Vote: Dy... oh I need to wait for the VC first. I presume you mean more useful?
--snip--
Vote: LaLight for making my usual opening vote more useless than normal.
Vote: Dy... oh I need to wait for the VC first. I presume you mean more useful?
--snip--
No, I mean... well, yes, I guess this actually does have more technical value than it does normally, since I don't normally try to get info from it the same way Galz asks you why you aren't scum every game.
To that point, since he's not here, why aren't you scum this game?
Vote: LaLight for making my usual opening vote more useless than normal.
Vote: Dy... oh I need to wait for the VC first. I presume you mean more useful?
Simple majority, innit. 7 is exactly half, and you need more than that.
Wait, why can't LL vote?
Okay. Well all else being equal, losing someone who's vote doesn't count seems not so bad.
Vote: LL
Okay. Well all else being equal, losing someone who's vote doesn't count seems not so bad.
Vote: LL
oh, and also I think I need to mention that I know less than nothing about the flavor, so I am very careful not to claim some more parts about non-voting shenanigans I think play no role overall, but might be indicative of something.
Hi everyone! I had e-mail notifications enabled for this thread but for some reason it didn't send me any e-mails.
Hi everyone! I had e-mail notifications enabled for this thread but for some reason it didn't send me any e-mails.
My excuse is just that I had a busy day.
Also, are you scum in this game?
Hi everyone! I had e-mail notifications enabled for this thread but for some reason it didn't send me any e-mails.
My excuse is just that I had a busy day.
Also, are you scum in this game?
No. Are you?
Posting in a game in regular font and black textttttttttt!
Vote: LaLight - I just want to see if it goes to Pasta again or another random person.
Nope! Glad we sorted that out though :-)
Wait, I had voted for LL pre-vc, but it didn't show up at all, where MiX's was deflected onto scola.
Was my early vote on LL supposed to be redirected to a person or have no effect?
Wait, I had voted for LL pre-vc, but it didn't show up at all, where MiX's was deflected onto scola.
Was my early vote on LL supposed to be redirected to a person or have no effect?
Wait, I had voted for LL pre-vc, but it didn't show up at all, where MiX's was deflected onto scola.
Was my early vote on LL supposed to be redirected to a person or have no effect?
I would assume that it was because mix was voting scola before he voted LL, so his vote never changed
Quote fail, meant to quote MiX's reply where he said that
All players are either human or Cylon. By default, players are unaware of their species. This is not the same as alignment.
Season 1 Rules
General gameplay
The game alternates between Day phase and Night phase. The Day phase lasts 7 days, the Night phase lasts 48 hours. Any Night actions need to be submitted at least 36 hours after Night start.
The Day phase ends either when the 7 days have passed, or when an exile has been reached. If there was no exile prior to the deadline, then the game will move the Night without exile. An exile is reached when a majority of living players votes for the same player. Whenever a new phase begins, all players should carefully check the game thread as well as any QT they have access to before posting anywhere.
When a player leaves the game through exile or killing action, their flavor name and alignment will be revealed. Additionally, the types of powers they possess at the time of death are revealed. You can see these in italics in your powers.
Game-specific classifications
All players are either human or Cylon. By default, players are unaware of their species. This is not the same as alignment.
Additionally, all players are classified as either civilian or military. Players are aware of their own status at all times. This is also not the same as alignment.
In general, these classification are inspired by the flavor of the series, though liberties have been taken. Flavor knowledge is not required to play, but may enhance the experience.
Town is flavored as human-aligned this game. The town win condition isQuoteYou win when all threats to the human population have been eliminated, or nothing can stop that from happening. You earn 5 points from winning.
The Presidency
There are two special distributable roles in the game: the President and Vice President. They have the following role powers.QuotePresident
Executive order. At the start of each Day, draw three cards from the Executive Order deck. You must pick one of them to enact within the first 72 hours of the Day. If you miss this deadline, a random order will be enacted. Orders are executed instantaneously when you submit the order. If the Day ends before you submit an order, there will be no order executed that Day.
Pick Vice President. When you obtain this role, and every even Night after it, you have 36 hours to select another player. That player will receive the role of Vice President.
Colonial One. You have a QT with your Vice President, open at all times.QuoteVice President.
Next in line. When the President is removed from the game, you obtain their power.
Colonial One. You have a QT with the President, open at all times.
It is public knowledge who holds the office of President and Vice President. If at any time, both roles are unassigned, trigger a turning point. The Presidency is a civilian office. If at any time, a member of the military obtains the role of President, they have a choice to let go of all their role powers. If they do not, trigger a turning point.
The contents of the Executive Order deck are public knowledge. At game start, they are as follows:
Today, an exile will occur even if the game ends without a majority on a player. At the end of this day, the exile is the player with the most civilian votes rather than the player with the most votes.
The following Day, all players take one vote fewer to exile for each Action they took the previous Night.
Any military player gains the power: "You may target one other player tonight, to learn which players they targeted that night." tonight only. Military players' actions cannot be detected tonight.
At the end of the Day, the President may choose to pardon the exiled player. If they do, the exiled player does not flip and is not sent to the brig. They have 12 hours to make the decision, during which the thread remains open.
Any action targeting the President tonight will fail.
Choose either military or civilians. The chosen group's actions cannot be blocked or redirected tonight, and break through one layer of protection. Players from the other group may only perform one action tonight.
Whenever you would draw from the Executive Order deck and there are less than 3 cards left, shuffle all cards into the deck.
Turning Points
There are some events the trigger turning points which are publicly known. They are as follows:
- Day 2 begins
- the roles of both President and Vice President are unassigned
- a member of the military becomes President and refuses to give up their role powers
- the President or Vice President are sent to the brig
- the President is incapacitated at Night
- the game ends Night 5 or earlier
I'm fairly sure I know what character Lalight is. And so his non voting or "votability" should be temporary... I suspect he'll join us on Day 2 or 3.
Also, does anyone understand this from the rules:All players are either human or Cylon. By default, players are unaware of their species. This is not the same as alignment.
Does being Human-aligned not imply being Human then?
All players are either human or Cylon. By default, players are unaware of their species. This is not the same as alignment.
Also, does anyone understand this from the rules:All players are either human or Cylon. By default, players are unaware of their species. This is not the same as alignment.
Does being Human-aligned not imply being Human then?
It does explicitly state in the set up that being human is *not* the same as alignment. Though I did initially share your confusion before going back and checking.All players are either human or Cylon. By default, players are unaware of their species. This is not the same as alignment.
So I will just say what I was talking about earlier, because why not?
Along with human/cylon, we also have civilian/military as aspects of our game selves that are completely separate from alignment (per the setup post). We also have flavor names.
Imagine getting a pm that says "You are a hobbit. Your flavor name is Gandalf." in a Hobbit game.
That's the type of situation I need help reconciling.
Was my early vote on LL supposed to be redirected to a person or have no effect?No comment.
Curfew
The following Day, all players take one vote fewer to exile for each Action they took the previous Night.
Vote Count 1.2
Dylan32 (2): A Drowned Kernel, Dylan32
ashersky (1): mathdude
Robz888 (1): EFHW
Not Voting (10): Jack Rudd, SpaceAnemone, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, Swowl, Robz888, ashersky, Awaclus
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends March 23, 2021, 03:30:00 am.Was my early vote on LL supposed to be redirected to a person or have no effect?No comment.
who do you think LL's char is?
You have Dylan voting for himself, instead of me voting for DylanThanks; it's fixed now.
So I will just say what I was talking about earlier, because why not?
Along with human/cylon, we also have civilian/military as aspects of our game selves that are completely separate from alignment (per the setup post). We also have flavor names.
Imagine getting a pm that says "You are a hobbit. Your flavor name is Gandalf." in a Hobbit game.
That's the type of situation I need help reconciling.
also, not for sure, but I think we can assume it is "your vote stays where it was" if you vote for LL.
Also, does anyone understand this from the rules:All players are either human or Cylon. By default, players are unaware of their species. This is not the same as alignment.
Does being Human-aligned not imply being Human then?
It does explicitly state in the set up that being human is *not* the same as alignment. Though I did initially share your confusion before going back and checking.All players are either human or Cylon. By default, players are unaware of their species. This is not the same as alignment.
who do you think LL's char is?
I'm fairly sure I know what character Lalight is.
who do you think LL's char is?
Who is this addressed to? And why do you think it's a good idea to discuss it?
I'm fairly sure I know what character Lalight is.who do you think LL's char is?
Who is this addressed to? And why do you think it's a good idea to discuss it?
Swowl's most likely talking to scola. If you don't know the flavor, it's possible that you can think knowing LL's character is mechanical, so that question is only natural.
why mix math?
also also @ Math - why pick curfew? what were your other options?
I also know LL's character. I don't think it's pro-town to say it, although everyone should know it if they know the flavor, although admittedly it's not easy to find that information.
I also know LL's character. I don't think it's pro-town to say it, although everyone should know it if they know the flavor, although admittedly it's not easy to find that information.
The fact that you admit it's not easy to find the information, imply it's game-useful, and then refuse just to provide it when it's already obvious to those who know the show/game actually seems anti-town to me :-P Our alignments are independent of whether we have background knowledge, and I assume that more people are human-aligned than not, so you're probably disproportionately denying town possibly-useful info.
Anyway, to clarify for anyone not familiar with the source, there's a pilot character, Helo (Karl Agathon), who spends the beginning of the series stranded on earth, away from the rest of the human fleet. In the board game, Helo has to sit out the first round of the game, which maybe looks a bit like LL not being able to interact with the voting for now.
PPE 3: Apparently I disagree with people on whether to say! I just really don't like excluding anyone from the finer points of the game just because they're not familiar with the flavour, and I especially don't like it when it's framed as "go away and do lots of hard homework to learn it because I'm not going to tell".
I wasn't sure if revealing the actual identity was more pro-town or anti-town, so didn't immediately reveal. But I think the discussion was pro-town, so I'm happy with that.
(and now that it's out there, yeah LaLight is lalikely LaHelo).
I mean it sounds like knowing his character name doesn't actually tell us species or alignment. Maybe tells us if it's civilian or military?
Mix, Are you civilian or military? Does no turning point mean you're civilian then? Or is your (possible) renouncing not powers not public knowledge?
I wasn't sure if revealing the actual identity was more pro-town or anti-town, so didn't immediately reveal. But I think the discussion was pro-town, so I'm happy with that.
(and now that it's out there, yeah LaLight is lalikely LaHelo).
I mean it sounds like knowing his character name doesn't actually tell us species or alignment. Maybe tells us if it's civilian or military?
Mix, Are you civilian or military? Does no turning point mean you're civilian then? Or is your (possible) renouncing not powers not public knowledge?
I am not the president yet, so there's no turning point. I don't think it's pro-town to reveal if I'm civilian or military.
Do you have any reads? This is definitely a game where knowing the flavor is very fun, as we'll play with it more, but catching scum should also be fun, right? That reminds me;
Vote: Awaclus
I wasn't sure if revealing the actual identity was more pro-town or anti-town, so didn't immediately reveal. But I think the discussion was pro-town, so I'm happy with that.
(and now that it's out there, yeah LaLight is lalikely LaHelo).
I mean it sounds like knowing his character name doesn't actually tell us species or alignment. Maybe tells us if it's civilian or military?
Mix, Are you civilian or military? Does no turning point mean you're civilian then? Or is your (possible) renouncing not powers not public knowledge?
I am not the president yet, so there's no turning point. I don't think it's pro-town to reveal if I'm civilian or military.
Do you have any reads? This is definitely a game where knowing the flavor is very fun, as we'll play with it more, but catching scum should also be fun, right? That reminds me;
Vote: Awaclus
I think it's definitely anti-town to reveal it
FWIW I was assigned one of my absolute least favorite characters.
Anyway, to clarify for anyone not familiar with the source, there's a pilot character, Helo (Karl Agathon), who spends the beginning of the series stranded on earth, away from the rest of the human fleet. In the board game, Helo has to sit out the first round of the game, which maybe looks a bit like LL not being able to interact with the voting for now.
I also think we should not discuss military/civilian and cylon/human thing. There's something to form reads on.
For example I think MiX makes too much sense to be town, Robz is making too little sense to be scum, I don't know mathdude and their meta (hi!) which I would like to know
anyway, I don't want the conversion shifting from Mafia to Flavor talking if this makes sense
god i missed this game
I also think we should not discuss military/civilian and cylon/human thing. There's something to form reads on.
For example I think makes too much sense to be town, Robz is making too little sense to be scum, I don't know mathdude and their meta (hi!) which I would like to know
anyway, I don't want the conversion shifting from Mafia to Flavor talking if this makes sense
god i missed this game
I wasn't sure if revealing the actual identity was more pro-town or anti-town, so didn't immediately reveal. But I think the discussion was pro-town, so I'm happy with that.
(and now that it's out there, yeah LaLight is lalikely LaHelo).
I mean it sounds like knowing his character name doesn't actually tell us species or alignment. Maybe tells us if it's civilian or military?
Mix, Are you civilian or military? Does no turning point mean you're civilian then? Or is your (possible) renouncing not powers not public knowledge?
I am not the president yet, so there's no turning point. I don't think it's pro-town to reveal if I'm civilian or military.
Do you have any reads? This is definitely a game where knowing the flavor is very fun, as we'll play with it more, but catching scum should also be fun, right? That reminds me;
Vote: Awaclus
Though from a non game / philosophical point of view, it feels wrong to be against revealing the military? How is having a secret military pro the people?
I also think we should not discuss military/civilian and cylon/human thing. There's something to form reads on.
For example I think MiX makes too much sense to be town, Robz is making too little sense to be scum, I don't know mathdude and their meta (hi!) which I would like to know
anyway, I don't want the conversion shifting from Mafia to Flavor talking if this makes sense
god i missed this game
EBWOP
Though from a non game / philosophical point of view, it feels wrong to be against revealing the military? How is having a secret military pro the people?
It's pro the people because the enemies of the state have a harder time knowing who to get rid of if they don't know who's in the military.
Yeah, we can talk about more interesting things now, like Dylan being the scummiest so far and you being town. Who would you vote for, if you could (to include LL)?
This is absolutely true.
Who's scum, Awaclus? It's not you, it's not Space...who is it then?
I also think we should not discuss military/civilian and cylon/human thing. There's something to form reads on.
For example I think makes too much sense to be town, Robz is making too little sense to be scum, I don't know mathdude and their meta (hi!) which I would like to know
anyway, I don't want the conversion shifting from Mafia to Flavor talking if this makes sense
god i missed this game
We probably can't talk about mathdude's meta, since the dude has only been in one game and it's not over yet.
Yeah, we can talk about more interesting things now, like Dylan being the scummiest so far and you being town. Who would you vote for, if you could (to include LL)?
I do not really have a preference on where to put my vote. I have a list of people I don't want to vote for, and LL is on that list at this point.
I have a small amount of absolutely non-concrete anything information that gives LL a day 1 pass for me.You don't really have a choice, since you can't vote for him today.
I have a small amount of absolutely non-concrete anything information that gives LL a day 1 pass for me.You don't really have a choice, since you can't vote for him today.
Uh, sorry I missed the detail that we also cannot vote for LL.
I'm pretty familiar with the flavor but if there's an obvious reason why Helo would fit, it doesn't occur to me. Oh, is it it just because he's not with the fleet yet? Okay, sure.
FWIW I was assigned one of my absolute least favorite characters.
Normally I would agree with Space, but in this case, the question would have been hard to Google ("BG char who can't vote") so there was some benefit in not telling, in case all the scum don't know the flavor. Not sure how likely that is.
"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."
Normally I would agree with Space, but in this case, the question would have been hard to Google ("BG char who can't vote") so there was some benefit in not telling, in case all the scum don't know the flavor. Not sure how likely that is.
If this is so, then I assert that it's anti-town for whomever said they could guess the role from meta to have said so in-thread. Once it's out there, and especially once MiX has pointed out that it's findable merely by "homework", then it just seems petty not to share.
The people saying "I know what you mean but I'm not going to tell" are merely taunting and penalising people who're unfamiliar with the show by requiring them to read several hours more stuff than the rest of us to get to the same level of engagement with the game. I think we can afford to be more respectful of each other's available play time, and also of the amount of time and effort faust has undoubtedly put into this setup so that it's really unlikely to be broken by just a little bit of BSG knowledge.
"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."
Tempted to give a d1 pass just for getting in a thematic BSG quote :-)
Normally I would agree with Space, but in this case, the question would have been hard to Google ("BG char who can't vote") so there was some benefit in not telling, in case all the scum don't know the flavor. Not sure how likely that is.
If this is so, then I assert that it's anti-town for whomever said they could guess the role from meta to have said so in-thread. Once it's out there, and especially once MiX has pointed out that it's findable merely by "homework", then it just seems petty not to share.
The people saying "I know what you mean but I'm not going to tell" are merely taunting and penalising people who're unfamiliar with the show by requiring them to read several hours more stuff than the rest of us to get to the same level of engagement with the game. I think we can afford to be more respectful of each other's available play time, and also of the amount of time and effort faust has undoubtedly put into this setup so that it's really unlikely to be broken by just a little bit of BSG knowledge.
I have a small amount of absolutely non-concrete anything information that gives LL a day 1 pass for me.You don't really have a choice, since you can't vote for him today.
Normally I would agree with Space, but in this case, the question would have been hard to Google ("BG char who can't vote") so there was some benefit in not telling, in case all the scum don't know the flavor. Not sure how likely that is.
If this is so, then I assert that it's anti-town for whomever said they could guess the role from meta to have said so in-thread. Once it's out there, and especially once MiX has pointed out that it's findable merely by "homework", then it just seems petty not to share.
The people saying "I know what you mean but I'm not going to tell" are merely taunting and penalising people who're unfamiliar with the show by requiring them to read several hours more stuff than the rest of us to get to the same level of engagement with the game. I think we can afford to be more respectful of each other's available play time, and also of the amount of time and effort faust has undoubtedly put into this setup so that it's really unlikely to be broken by just a little bit of BSG knowledge.
"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."
Tempted to give a d1 pass just for getting in a thematic BSG quote :-)
Sadly I believe that is scummy coming from scola. Do you think that's a reasonable take?
"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."
Tempted to give a d1 pass just for getting in a thematic BSG quote :-)
Sadly I believe that is scummy coming from scola. Do you think that's a reasonable take?
Scummy just for quoting (my favorite quote) from the show? Weird.
And why "sadly"?
I have a small amount of absolutely non-concrete anything information that gives LL a day 1 pass for me.You don't really have a choice, since you can't vote for him today.
Yeah this was basically my point.
Normally I would agree with Space, but in this case, the question would have been hard to Google ("BG char who can't vote") so there was some benefit in not telling, in case all the scum don't know the flavor. Not sure how likely that is.
If this is so, then I assert that it's anti-town for whomever said they could guess the role from meta to have said so in-thread. Once it's out there, and especially once MiX has pointed out that it's findable merely by "homework", then it just seems petty not to share.
The people saying "I know what you mean but I'm not going to tell" are merely taunting and penalising people who're unfamiliar with the show by requiring them to read several hours more stuff than the rest of us to get to the same level of engagement with the game. I think we can afford to be more respectful of each other's available play time, and also of the amount of time and effort faust has undoubtedly put into this setup so that it's really unlikely to be broken by just a little bit of BSG knowledge.
So let me get the big idea straight...
We are all either human or cylon but as far as I can tell, none of us currently knows which even we are ourselves, let alone others. But this doesn't seem to matter, at least not yet.
We are all either civilian or military. As president, I'm civilian. This distinction wil likely have effects on the game (e.g. if I'm exiled and incoming VP is military, it triggers a turning point). But this isn't the typical mafia game alignments of mafia or town.
Then we are either town-aligned or cylon-aligned... different than the first point above. This is the actual mafia-town distinction we are used to. We all are either human-aligned, or pretending that we are human-aligned, as per usual mafia games.
Also, we each have a character, with a character arc that can affect things. Whether they have abilities or other goals in mind, this adds complexity.
On top of that, I also have a role of president with additional effects (such as choosing from the deck). And MiX is VP. But those seem to be the only extra roles (at least right now).
Can someone either confirm or correct me that these are the basic things I need to pull out of game intro, as compared to a normal game.
So let me get the big idea straight...
We are all either human or cylon but as far as I can tell, none of us currently knows which even we are ourselves, let alone others. But this doesn't seem to matter, at least not yet.
We are all either civilian or military. As president, I'm civilian. This distinction wil likely have effects on the game (e.g. if I'm exiled and incoming VP is military, it triggers a turning point). But this isn't the typical mafia game alignments of mafia or town.
Then we are either town-aligned or cylon-aligned... different than the first point above. This is the actual mafia-town distinction we are used to. We all are either human-aligned, or pretending that we are human-aligned, as per usual mafia games.
Also, we each have a character, with a character arc that can affect things. Whether they have abilities or other goals in mind, this adds complexity.
On top of that, I also have a role of president with additional effects (such as choosing from the deck). And MiX is VP. But those seem to be the only extra roles (at least right now).
Can someone either confirm or correct me that these are the basic things I need to pull out of game intro, as compared to a normal game.
out of town
out of town
Scumslip!
Also, I think we should vote for the players who have confirmed that "cylon-aligned" is the mafia alignment, given that isn't public information and I had no clue.
That is MiX, Robz, and mathdude, btw.
Makes sense a mafia president would choose a mafia VP and Hated.
Also, also, everyone focused on the wrong part of my question (human/cylon). I guess my analogy was closer to that.
Imagine you are playing a WWII-themed game. Your receive "It is 1944. You are a civilian. Your flavor name is General MacArthur." How do you reconcile that?
Also, MiX being a mafia partner is literally only one of very few reasons to ever choose MiX to be VP. (Masons would be another, off the top of my head).
vote: MiX
Also, also, everyone focused on the wrong part of my question (human/cylon). I guess my analogy was closer to that.
Imagine you are playing a WWII-themed game. Your receive "It is 1944. You are a civilian. Your flavor name is General MacArthur." How do you reconcile that?
Also, I think we should vote for the players who have confirmed that "cylon-aligned" is the mafia alignment, given that isn't public information and I had no clue.I assumed that was the opposite of humsn-aligned and wouldn't be surprised if others did too.
Also, also, everyone focused on the wrong part of my question (human/cylon). I guess my analogy was closer to that.
Imagine you are playing a WWII-themed game. Your receive "It is 1944. You are a civilian. Your flavor name is General MacArthur." How do you reconcile that?
If I was playing a WWII themed game were some players were civilians and some were military and that fact was independent of alignment, I would assume MacArthur was military. If I received that PM, I guess I would assume that either the GM was doing something very odd with the flavor or the game was bastard
The confusion that I think needs to be cleared up with the "human/cylon" thing is that the terms are being used in this game to refer to two aspects of people's roles, their alignment and their "species". A player's species could be Cylon but their alignment could be human and vice-versa. If you want to go back to the WWII analogy, imagine a game where players have alignments of Allies and Axis as well as "nationalities" that are independent. So you could have a character that was "German" but whose alignment was "Allies"
Also, I think we should vote for the players who have confirmed that "cylon-aligned" is the mafia alignment, given that isn't public information and I had no clue.I assumed that was the opposite of humsn-aligned and wouldn't be surprised if others did too.
Also, also, everyone focused on the wrong part of my question (human/cylon). I guess my analogy was closer to that.
Imagine you are playing a WWII-themed game. Your receive "It is 1944. You are a civilian. Your flavor name is General MacArthur." How do you reconcile that?
If I was playing a WWII themed game were some players were civilians and some were military and that fact was independent of alignment, I would assume MacArthur was military. If I received that PM, I guess I would assume that either the GM was doing something very odd with the flavor or the game was bastard
The confusion that I think needs to be cleared up with the "human/cylon" thing is that the terms are being used in this game to refer to two aspects of people's roles, their alignment and their "species". A player's species could be Cylon but their alignment could be human and vice-versa. If you want to go back to the WWII analogy, imagine a game where players have alignments of Allies and Axis as well as "nationalities" that are independent. So you could have a character that was "German" but whose alignment was "Allies"
Bolding the issue.
There are stuff related to our roles. There is human OR cylon, irrespective of alignment. There is military OR civilian, irrespective of alignment. And there is a flavor name.
Do all three of these need to match? As explained by others, since plenty of Cylons don't know they are Cylons in the show, no issues there. But man, it's hard to be in the military and not know it.
I just googled "BSG wiki" and clicked the first link, then scrolled to the first character that appeared, which was Kara Thrace. Per the wiki, Kara was a Viper pilot (whatever that is) in the Colonial Fleet. That would make Kara Thrace a member of the military.
If a player's PM assigned them both Kara and "civilian," what does that mean? What does it say about the setup? What does it mean for how we understand claims?
Safe to assume it isn't, given how much I'm asking about it.
Safe to assume it isn't, given how much I'm asking about it.
I assume nothing. Things are complicated enough.
So let me get the big idea straight...
We are all either human or cylon but as far as I can tell, none of us currently knows which even we are ourselves, let alone others. But this doesn't seem to matter, at least not yet.
We are all either civilian or military. As president, I'm civilian. This distinction wil likely have effects on the game (e.g. if I'm exiled and incoming VP is military, it triggers a turning point). But this isn't the typical mafia game alignments of mafia or town.
Then we are either town-aligned or cylon-aligned... different than the first point above. This is the actual mafia-town distinction we are used to. We all are either human-aligned, or pretending that we are human-aligned, as per usual mafia games.
Also, we each have a character, with a character arc that can affect things. Whether they have abilities or other goals in mind, this adds complexity.
On top of that, I also have a role of president with additional effects (such as choosing from the deck). And MiX is VP. But those seem to be the only extra roles (at least right now).
Can someone either confirm or correct me that these are the basic things I need to pull out of game intro, as compared to a normal game.
Also, I think we should vote for the players who have confirmed that "cylon-aligned" is the mafia alignment, given that isn't public information and I had no clue.
Also, also, everyone focused on the wrong part of my question (human/cylon). I guess my analogy was closer to that.
Imagine you are playing a WWII-themed game. Your receive "It is 1944. You are a civilian. Your flavor name is General MacArthur." How do you reconcile that?
If I was playing a WWII themed game were some players were civilians and some were military and that fact was independent of alignment, I would assume MacArthur was military. If I received that PM, I guess I would assume that either the GM was doing something very odd with the flavor or the game was bastard
The confusion that I think needs to be cleared up with the "human/cylon" thing is that the terms are being used in this game to refer to two aspects of people's roles, their alignment and their "species". A player's species could be Cylon but their alignment could be human and vice-versa. If you want to go back to the WWII analogy, imagine a game where players have alignments of Allies and Axis as well as "nationalities" that are independent. So you could have a character that was "German" but whose alignment was "Allies"
Bolding the issue.
There are stuff related to our roles. There is human OR cylon, irrespective of alignment. There is military OR civilian, irrespective of alignment. And there is a flavor name.
Do all three of these need to match? As explained by others, since plenty of Cylons don't know they are Cylons in the show, no issues there. But man, it's hard to be in the military and not know it.
I just googled "BSG wiki" and clicked the first link, then scrolled to the first character that appeared, which was Kara Thrace. Per the wiki, Kara was a Viper pilot (whatever that is) in the Colonial Fleet. That would make Kara Thrace a member of the military.
If a player's PM assigned them both Kara and "civilian," what does that mean? What does it say about the setup? What does it mean for how we understand claims?
That is MiX, Robz, and mathdude, btw.
*snip*
You can probably be a human and be cylon-aligned, and you can probably be a cylon and be human-aligned. The mere fact we don't know if we're human or cylon says that they're separate from alignment, although there's at least 1 cylon-aligned cylon, so being a cylon should be scummy.
Then we are either town-aligned or cylon-aligned... different than the first point above. This is the actual mafia-town distinction we are used to. We all are either human-aligned, or pretending that we are human-aligned, as per usual mafia games.
It seems like this has been explained a thousand times already, but in case it isn't clear: In Battlestar Galactica, there are humans who are human-aligned and Cylons who are Cylon-aligned, but there are also quite a few Cylons who are human-aligned (like, half the cylons by the end of the show!) and at least one human who is for a long time Cylon-aligned.
imo 1) military/civilian is just a part of a flavor name that gives additional functions
2) in future games a military person can retire and a civilian may enter military for all we know
that's why it's here
That is MiX, Robz, and mathdude, btw.
*snip*
Interesting. I was giving this no credit at first, but I assume these are what you were talking about:You can probably be a human and be cylon-aligned, and you can probably be a cylon and be human-aligned. The mere fact we don't know if we're human or cylon says that they're separate from alignment, although there's at least 1 cylon-aligned cylon, so being a cylon should be scummy.Then we are either town-aligned or cylon-aligned... different than the first point above. This is the actual mafia-town distinction we are used to. We all are either human-aligned, or pretending that we are human-aligned, as per usual mafia games.It seems like this has been explained a thousand times already, but in case it isn't clear: In Battlestar Galactica, there are humans who are human-aligned and Cylons who are Cylon-aligned, but there are also quite a few Cylons who are human-aligned (like, half the cylons by the end of the show!) and at least one human who is for a long time Cylon-aligned.
So, you do not know if you are human or Cylon. So your theory here is it is skummy that they referred to "Cylon-aligned" in comparison to "human aligned" when all we know is there is "human-aligned"?
If so, I get what you are saying, but my issue would be:
1. Mix/Robz doesn't fuck that up.
2. Mathdude said they didn't know the flavor... and I agree with you on the suspicion of Mix/Math... but with mix off the table it is kind of a reach, as I am more inclined to just chalk it up to Math reading the wiki and seeing the cylons are the bad guys.
I get the suspicion I guess, but I guess my question is - Do you really think you caught 3 skum right here all making the same mistake?
That is MiX, Robz, and mathdude, btw.
*snip*
Interesting. I was giving this no credit at first, but I assume these are what you were talking about:You can probably be a human and be cylon-aligned, and you can probably be a cylon and be human-aligned. The mere fact we don't know if we're human or cylon says that they're separate from alignment, although there's at least 1 cylon-aligned cylon, so being a cylon should be scummy.Then we are either town-aligned or cylon-aligned... different than the first point above. This is the actual mafia-town distinction we are used to. We all are either human-aligned, or pretending that we are human-aligned, as per usual mafia games.It seems like this has been explained a thousand times already, but in case it isn't clear: In Battlestar Galactica, there are humans who are human-aligned and Cylons who are Cylon-aligned, but there are also quite a few Cylons who are human-aligned (like, half the cylons by the end of the show!) and at least one human who is for a long time Cylon-aligned.
So, you do not know if you are human or Cylon. So your theory here is it is skummy that they referred to "Cylon-aligned" in comparison to "human aligned" when all we know is there is "human-aligned"?
If so, I get what you are saying, but my issue would be:
1. Mix/Robz doesn't fuck that up.
2. Mathdude said they didn't know the flavor... and I agree with you on the suspicion of Mix/Math... but with mix off the table it is kind of a reach, as I am more inclined to just chalk it up to Math reading the wiki and seeing the cylons are the bad guys.
I get the suspicion I guess, but I guess my question is - Do you really think you caught 3 skum right here all making the same mistake?
In backward order -- of course I caught 3 mafia with one move. It's me we're talking about here.
MiX's post is absolutely the worst. How does he know there is "at least 1 cylon-aligned cylon" in the game? No one, and I mean NO ONE should know that, right? Even mafia don't know if they are human or cylon, per the rules. Hence, most likely to make this sort of statement is a player who is intimately aware of some cylon alignment and at least one flavor name within it that is a cylon on the show.
Robz is the least worst of the posts, as it's clearly focused on flavor itself.
That is MiX, Robz, and mathdude, btw.
Makes sense a mafia president would choose a mafia VP and Hated.
That is MiX, Robz, and mathdude, btw.
Makes sense a mafia president would choose a mafia VP and Hated.
Yes, let's set up a public connection, so I can get a QT with someone I would (presumably, based on standard Mafia) already have a QT with if we were both Mafia. That makes sense. /sarcasm
Upset you weren't picked as VP?
That is MiX, Robz, and mathdude, btw.
*snip*
Interesting. I was giving this no credit at first, but I assume these are what you were talking about:You can probably be a human and be cylon-aligned, and you can probably be a cylon and be human-aligned. The mere fact we don't know if we're human or cylon says that they're separate from alignment, although there's at least 1 cylon-aligned cylon, so being a cylon should be scummy.Then we are either town-aligned or cylon-aligned... different than the first point above. This is the actual mafia-town distinction we are used to. We all are either human-aligned, or pretending that we are human-aligned, as per usual mafia games.It seems like this has been explained a thousand times already, but in case it isn't clear: In Battlestar Galactica, there are humans who are human-aligned and Cylons who are Cylon-aligned, but there are also quite a few Cylons who are human-aligned (like, half the cylons by the end of the show!) and at least one human who is for a long time Cylon-aligned.
So, you do not know if you are human or Cylon. So your theory here is it is skummy that they referred to "Cylon-aligned" in comparison to "human aligned" when all we know is there is "human-aligned"?
If so, I get what you are saying, but my issue would be:
1. Mix/Robz doesn't fuck that up.
2. Mathdude said they didn't know the flavor... and I agree with you on the suspicion of Mix/Math... but with mix off the table it is kind of a reach, as I am more inclined to just chalk it up to Math reading the wiki and seeing the cylons are the bad guys.
I get the suspicion I guess, but I guess my question is - Do you really think you caught 3 skum right here all making the same mistake?
In backward order -- of course I caught 3 mafia with one move. It's me we're talking about here.
MiX's post is absolutely the worst. How does he know there is "at least 1 cylon-aligned cylon" in the game? No one, and I mean NO ONE should know that, right? Even mafia don't know if they are human or cylon, per the rules. Hence, most likely to make this sort of statement is a player who is intimately aware of some cylon alignment and at least one flavor name within it that is a cylon on the show.
Robz is the least worst of the posts, as it's clearly focused on flavor itself.
That is MiX, Robz, and mathdude, btw.
Makes sense a mafia president would choose a mafia VP and Hated.
Yes, let's set up a public connection, so I can get a QT with someone I would (presumably, based on standard Mafia) already have a QT with if we were both Mafia. That makes sense. /sarcasm
Upset you weren't picked as VP?
Well, possibly mafia does not have a day QT, while you and MiX do
Safe to assume it isn't, given how much I'm asking about it.
Even mafia don't know if they are human or cylon, per the rules.
By default, players are unaware of their species.
Even mafia don't know if they are human or cylon, per the rules.
As a nitpick, the rule is:By default, players are unaware of their species.
"By default" implies that there are likely exceptions
I'm just going on the assumption that mafia is cylon-aligned, based on them being opposite species here. Doesn't that make sense?
Are you just upset I voted for you?
That is MiX, Robz, and mathdude, btw.
Makes sense a mafia president would choose a mafia VP and Hated.
Yes, let's set up a public connection, so I can get a QT with someone I would (presumably, based on standard Mafia) already have a QT with if we were both Mafia. That makes sense. /sarcasm
Upset you weren't picked as VP?
When have you ever caught 3 scum with one move?
Yeah no one knows that except a rational mind making rational assumptions. How can you think it's alignment indicative if not even scum knows it? I think you cannot argue with "there's at least 1 human human-aligned player", right? Well, the same goes for 1 cylon cylon-aligned. It doesn't really make sense for none of the cylons to be cylon-aligned.
If it makes sense to call people cylon-aligned in the flavor, then it would be really likely that there's a faction with that name, right? I wouldn't know, however, and I doubt that specific term is used much, as it's kinda clunky.
Hmm! I would say that your character is...flexible: it's not obvious that they're civilian or military. But you seem to imply that it would be obvious, in which case I can only answer with confusion.
I'm just going on the assumption that mafia is cylon-aligned, based on them being opposite species here. Doesn't that make sense?
I'm just going on the assumption that mafia is cylon-aligned, based on them being opposite species here. Doesn't that make sense?
Are you just upset I voted for you?
Are Cylons the opposite species? Or just another species? Actually, I thought they were robots or something. I've not seen the show.
It could make sense, except what if they aren't? I've given two examples already that I found in under a minute using Google. There's no requirement that "Cylon-aligned" is a thing, and assuming it does as town is inherently dangerous. I feel like multiple people have argued that Cylons can be good anyway. So no, it does not make sense, in the sense that I disagree with you as it does not make sense to me. It might make sense to you, but I would argue, as I just did, that you are mistaken.
Also, did you vote for me? I didn't notice, nor do I care. if you have a second vote, feel free to place that one on me, too.
But I will add, mathdude raises some suspicion for me:
• did seem somewhat defensive and sarcastic about it; and I agree with ash that seems like it could be a tell.
• asked about why would he want a chat with a fellow scum, leaving out the fact that this is a day chat and scum chat is usually a night only thing (at least in my limited experience; that one game I was scum, we had day chat and everyone seemed to treat it like it was a special cookie)
• (least strong) this quote below. Based on my theory above, I would have maybe expected something mentioning the fact that someone had already used the term.I'm just going on the assumption that mafia is cylon-aligned, based on them being opposite species here. Doesn't that make sense?
But then if he were scum, could Mix also be scum?
Meh, I never know how to read MiX. But Ithink this is all enough for an initial vote for:
Vote: mathdude
I'm townreading everyone. Except
Vote: Robz
Also, I think we should vote for the players who have confirmed that "cylon-aligned" is the mafia alignment, given that isn't public information and I had no clue.
I'm just going on the assumption that mafia is cylon-aligned, based on them being opposite species here. Doesn't that make sense?
Are you just upset I voted for you?
Are Cylons the opposite species? Or just another species? Actually, I thought they were robots or something. I've not seen the show.
It could make sense, except what if they aren't? I've given two examples already that I found in under a minute using Google. There's no requirement that "Cylon-aligned" is a thing, and assuming it does as town is inherently dangerous. I feel like multiple people have argued that Cylons can be good anyway. So no, it does not make sense, in the sense that I disagree with you as it does not make sense to me. It might make sense to you, but I would argue, as I just did, that you are mistaken.
Also, did you vote for me? I didn't notice, nor do I care. if you have a second vote, feel free to place that one on me, too.
Hmm! I would say that your character is...flexible: it's not obvious that they're civilian or military. But you seem to imply that it would be obvious, in which case I can only answer with confusion.
Confusion is also my state of mind at this point, on this point.
It's as clear as "You are Johnny, an infant born one hour ago. You have never left the hospital, nor can you speak or walk. You are in the military."
So, here's the thing - I think knowing the flavor, it's a decent assumption to make that there is a cylon aligned faction. Were it me, and I posted about it, I would make it clear I was making the assumption. But the first instance of this is MiX, and we all know he posts assumptions as 100% accurate, no chance it's wrong fact. So if the first instance had been anyone else, I would have been a little more suspicious.; for MiX it's mostly NAI.
And then after it's out there in the void? I could see using the term and dropping the "I assume." So I think anyone else who mentioned it is also likely NAI.
I mean at this point, it's all being discussed as fact, when it really still is an assumption, no? Unless anyone's who's actually scum wants to confirm??
But I will add, mathdude raises some suspicion for me:
• did seem somewhat defensive and sarcastic about it; and I agree with ash that seems like it could be a tell.
• asked about why would he want a chat with a fellow scum, leaving out the fact that this is a day chat and scum chat is usually a night only thing (at least in my limited experience; that one game I was scum, we had day chat and everyone seemed to treat it like it was a special cookie)
• (least strong) this quote below. Based on my theory above, I would have maybe expected something mentioning the fact that someone had already used the term.I'm just going on the assumption that mafia is cylon-aligned, based on them being opposite species here. Doesn't that make sense?
But then if he were scum, could Mix also be scum?
Meh, I never know how to read MiX. But Ithink this is all enough for an initial vote for:
Vote: mathdude
Vote: mathdude
vote: scolapasta
I would rather not exile our president day one, especially not knowing whether or not mix is a civilian
I'm townreading everyone. Except
Vote: Robz
how so? just some time ago you agreed with me on his towniness
Vote: ash for fixating on this.
Vote: mathdude
vote: scolapasta
I would rather not exile our president day one, especially not knowing whether or not mix is a civilian
Yes, sure, I agree, but why vote scola?
I am curious to know what's going on with the mostly absent people (Dylan, Jack, WCD, to a lesser degree maybe EFHW and space). Not enough to suspect / vote for them*, but wanting to hear more from them.
* I don't usually buy into the lurkers being scum idea, at least not early on D1.
I also think we should not discuss military/civilian and cylon/human thing. There's something to form reads on.
For example I think makes too much sense to be town, Robz is making too little sense to be scum, I don't know mathdude and their meta (hi!) which I would like to know
anyway, I don't want the conversion shifting from Mafia to Flavor talking if this makes sense
god i missed this game
We probably can't talk about mathdude's meta, since the dude has only been in one game and it's not over yet.
Also, I think we should vote for the players who have confirmed that "cylon-aligned" is the mafia alignment, given that isn't public information and I had no clue.I assumed that was the opposite of humsn-aligned and wouldn't be surprised if others did too.
I assume nothing. Things are complicated enough. Until things are mod-confirmed, seems best to assume anything is possible. Couldn't it just as easily be "Caprica-aligned" or "One True God-aligned" (based on the same wiki I found and clicking on Cylons)?
Seeming too sure it is "Cylon-aligned" is a mafia tell.
i had no idea scum is called "cylon-aligned" vote: mathdude
That is MiX, Robz, and mathdude, btw.
Makes sense a mafia president would choose a mafia VP and Hated.
Yes, let's set up a public connection, so I can get a QT with someone I would (presumably, based on standard Mafia) already have a QT with if we were both Mafia. That makes sense. /sarcasm
Upset you weren't picked as VP?
Well, possibly mafia does not have a day QT, while you and MiX do
But I will add, mathdude raises some suspicion for me:
• did seem somewhat defensive and sarcastic about it; and I agree with ash that seems like it could be a tell.
• asked about why would he want a chat with a fellow scum, leaving out the fact that this is a day chat and scum chat is usually a night only thing (at least in my limited experience; that one game I was scum, we had day chat and everyone seemed to treat it like it was a special cookie)
• (least strong) this quote below. Based on my theory above, I would have maybe expected something mentioning the fact that someone had already used the term.I'm just going on the assumption that mafia is cylon-aligned, based on them being opposite species here. Doesn't that make sense?
But then if he were scum, could Mix also be scum?
Meh, I never know how to read MiX. But Ithink this is all enough for an initial vote for:
Vote: mathdude
Are you just upset I voted for you?
Also, did you vote for me? I didn't notice, nor do I care. if you have a second vote, feel free to place that one on me, too.
--snip--
/sarcasm
Upset you weren't picked as VP?
Sarcastic confirmation of something is a million times a mafiatell. Just so you know.
I definitely did not want to be either President or VP. That said, I would not have picked the card that you picked.
@mathdude, why did you pick Curfew as the executive order? (if you already explained, apologies, I just quickly reread and didn't find it)
why mix math?
MiX seems to know what's going on. With me not knowing flavour, I figured it could help me get started in this complex game. It really was a shot in the dark on the first day.also also @ Math - why pick curfew? what were your other options?
I'll hold off on saying much about that until I know whether there are advantages or disadvantages to doing it. I will say I think other option(s) may be more useful later.
I'm just going on the assumption that mafia is cylon-aligned, based on them being opposite species here. Doesn't that make sense?
Are Cylons the opposite species? Or just another species? Actually, I thought they were robots or something. I've not seen the show.
Vote: ash for fixating on this.
On the military / civilian thing, I would also have assumed that if someone had a flavor themed military character, they'd be military - at least for this first season. But that's just another assumption, and ash's experience seems to imply it's false. Or he wants us to think it's false.
I'm just not all that familiar with Mafia, and am lurking to pick up ideas.Welcome... we seem to be in similar boats, learning things here. I would recommend you join the conversation here though. It's the best way to get your feet wet (and potentially be analyzed to pieces). But that's part of the game.
(I'm not all that talkative in general in social deduction games, whichever side I'm on.)
If I was a new (math)dude, I'd probably pick MiX to be my VP because of the QT fun. Mathdude has very little playing time with us so far, but among that he does have, MiX has featured prominently. He knows us, he talks a lot, and he's smart.
I mostly don't have much to say... seems to me like cyclons are probably the baddies since on the show they are the baddies, but it was super interesting to me that Ash pointed out that we don't actually know that. I am not confused about why my character is civilian or military, but I can see why other would be. If I was a new (math)dude, I'd probably pick MiX to be my VP because of the QT fun. Mathdude has very little playing time with us so far, but among that he does have, MiX has featured prominently. He knows us, he talks a lot, and he's smart. I think it would be not smart to choose a fellow baddie, though, so I am going to assume they are not both baddies for the time being.
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There's a lot to process in this post.
A few observations:
• there's a lot of, you don'y know me but this is how I'd play as town, so if I'm doing it I'm likely town. All of which may be true, but there's really no way to confirm.
• Same with, things like "in mafia games I've played, there's always been day chat." Again not confirmable, but very convenient.
• I'm not sure how deeply others read the rules; but I usually try to check them carefully. And especially, had I been president, I would've paid special attention to those rules, and it's fairly clear 36 hours for VP; 72 hours for exec order. i.e. plenty of time to first do one, chat some with MiX (I mean why else pick MiX for VP if you don't expect to be able to chat him with him during the 2nd 36 hours). So the "I wasn't sure exactly on timelines, and didn't want the order to be chosen randomly" seems sketch.
• Similarly the "It has been confirmed to me via QT that this is not the case. [about orders not being and one done]". that' also clearly spelled out in the rules: "Whenever you would draw from the Executive Order deck and there are less than 3 cards left, shuffle all cards into the deck."
So, are all these things indicative of mathdude's scuminess? Maybe, maybe not. But a lot of it is a very convenient way to defend things that at first blush, are at least suspect.
I also would rather not brig a townie president D1, but a scum pres? definitely. And at this point, there are no other votes on mathdude, anyway, so I don't see much of a risk if this getting rushed.
Whenever you would draw from the Executive Order deck and there are less than 3 cards left, shuffle all cards into the deck.
I definitely did not want to be either President or VP. That said, I would not have picked the card that you picked.Are you saying that given every potential draw of cards, there is no way you pick the one that Math did?
Also, the obvious point to be made that choosing mafia as mafia ensures to an extent that mafia stays in control of the decisions made regarding the executive order card mechanic. Not putting a ton of merit into that right now, but it should be mentioned.Well, possibly mafia does not have a day QT, while you and MiX doThat is MiX, Robz, and mathdude, btw.Yes, let's set up a public connection, so I can get a QT with someone I would (presumably, based on standard Mafia) already have a QT with if we were both Mafia. That makes sense. /sarcasm
Makes sense a mafia president would choose a mafia VP and Hated.
Upset you weren't picked as VP?
I'm townreading everyone. ExceptWhy?
Vote: Robz
Sarcastic confirmation of something is a million times a mafiatell. Just so you know.100% disagree. Mix, Awaclus, faust, myself... and I am sure I am missing others, would be skum 100% of the games we play by that logic.
I definitely did not want to be either President or VP. That said, I would not have picked the card that you picked.
It's as clear as "You are Johnny, an infant born one hour ago. You have never left the hospital, nor can you speak or walk. You are in the military."You are Steven Hawkins in a Doctor Who episode. And he's a commando. Solved.
I would rather not exile our president day one, especially not knowing whether or not mix is a civilianMath aside.... the focus should very much be more on whether MiX is town or skum rather than "if they are civilian".
Vote: ash for fixating on this.Moderately skummy vote because you know ash.
I think I'm on board with the "not both baddies" idea. If mathdude were scum, I think it's more likely that he'd pick a townie to be his VP. And picking MiX, who is vocal would be a good pick then.You don't think the value of having a Mafia teed up for the card powers would be worth mafia picking mafia?
We should not exile mathdude today. We should not exile mathdude today. We should not exile mathdude today.Why?Why?Why?
I am curious to know what's going on with the mostly absent people (Dylan, Jack, WCD, to a lesser degree maybe EFHW and space). Not enough to suspect / vote for them*, but wanting to hear more from them.
* I don't usually buy into the lurkers being scum idea, at least not early on D1.
We should not exile mathdude today. We should not exile mathdude today. We should not exile mathdude today.
Vote: Pasta
What strikes me about math's pick is that it likely has no effect right now, assuming no night zero actions, which makes a certain amount of sense for day one when you have next to no info
What strikes me about math's pick is that it likely has no effect right now, assuming no night zero actions, which makes a certain amount of sense for day one when you have next to no info
What strikes me about math's pick is that it likely has no effect right now, assuming no night zero actions, which makes a certain amount of sense for day one when you have next to no info
But it is very pro-scum. Tomorrow, anyone who took an action will know they are hated. If they get a wagon on them, they may need to reveal that they took an action to avoid being accidentally exiled. It's mitigated somewhat by this being RMM, but it will help scum in hunting the active PRs. Or by inhibiting town actions tonight.
Town PR's tend to be bad for scum. Is that in debate?What strikes me about math's pick is that it likely has no effect right now, assuming no night zero actions, which makes a certain amount of sense for day one when you have next to no info
But it is very pro-scum. Tomorrow, anyone who took an action will know they are hated. If they get a wagon on them, they may need to reveal that they took an action to avoid being accidentally exiled. It's mitigated somewhat by this being RMM, but it will help scum in hunting the active PRs. Or by inhibiting town actions tonight.
Why does scum wamt to hunt active PRs?
Town PR's tend to be bad for scum. Is that in debate?What strikes me about math's pick is that it likely has no effect right now, assuming no night zero actions, which makes a certain amount of sense for day one when you have next to no info
But it is very pro-scum. Tomorrow, anyone who took an action will know they are hated. If they get a wagon on them, they may need to reveal that they took an action to avoid being accidentally exiled. It's mitigated somewhat by this being RMM, but it will help scum in hunting the active PRs. Or by inhibiting town actions tonight.
Why does scum wamt to hunt active PRs?
We should not exile mathdude today. We should not exile mathdude today. We should not exile mathdude today.
Vote: Pasta
I am not good enough at math to know what every potential draw is, but I would rank it 6th out of 6. Based on that, I think it never gets chosen.
What strikes me about math's pick is that it likely has no effect right now, assuming no night zero actions, which makes a certain amount of sense for day one when you have next to no info
Independent of night zero actions, it would have no immediate effect since it's "the following day". So this is an interesting point - i.e. if the other options had been like Civilian jurisdiction and Presidential pardon.
What strikes me about math's pick is that it likely has no effect right now, assuming no night zero actions, which makes a certain amount of sense for day one when you have next to no info
Independent of night zero actions, it would have no immediate effect since it's "the following day". So this is an interesting point - i.e. if the other options had been like Civilian jurisdiction and Presidential pardon.
I misunderstood it and thought it took effect today. Well, that changes things. I still don't want to exile math, though
To all those who are saying we should not exile mathdude, is it just because he's president? or are there other reasons?
Vote Count 1.4
ashersky (2): mathdude, Robz888
Robz888 (1): EFHW
MiX (1): ashersky
Robz888 (1): MiX
mathdude (1): scolapasta
scolapasta (2): A Drowned Kernel, Swowl
A Drowned Kernel (1): Awaclus
Not Voting (5): Jack Rudd, SpaceAnemone, WestCoastDidds, LaLight, Dylan32
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends March 23, 2021, 03:30:00 am.
What strikes me about math's pick is that it likely has no effect right now, assuming no night zero actions, which makes a certain amount of sense for day one when you have next to no info
But it is very pro-scum. Tomorrow, anyone who took an action will know they are hated. If they get a wagon on them, they may need to reveal that they took an action to avoid being accidentally exiled. It's mitigated somewhat by this being RMM, but it will help scum in hunting the active PRs. Or by inhibiting town actions tonight.
Why does scum wamt to hunt active PRs?
@ mix - just to clarify, you are aware like 100% of what the other potential orders were? or you are aware like, Mathdude told you what choice they had?
What strikes me about math's pick is that it likely has no effect right now, assuming no night zero actions, which makes a certain amount of sense for day one when you have next to no info
But it is very pro-scum. Tomorrow, anyone who took an action will know they are hated. If they get a wagon on them, they may need to reveal that they took an action to avoid being accidentally exiled. It's mitigated somewhat by this being RMM, but it will help scum in hunting the active PRs. Or by inhibiting town actions tonight.
Why does scum wamt to hunt active PRs?
other than the obv here - the scenario listed by EFHW is less of a "hunt" and more of a "info gain". Which, in a set up like this, is probably more valuable for skum.
They can close their eyes and shoot this game and will likely hit a PR (or GTD to hit a PR whichever it is), so knowing who has active PRs is not valuable that much (agreeing with you)... however, knowing exactly what said Active PR can do in specificity, that would be quite valuable.
I'm here. Very bad at playing two games at once. Currently townreading ADK and scola.
I am not good enough at math to know what every potential draw is, but I would rank it 6th out of 6. Based on that, I think it never gets chosen.
What strikes me about math's pick is that it likely has no effect right now, assuming no night zero actions, which makes a certain amount of sense for day one when you have next to no info
--snip--
I just think scum picking scum for VP seems overly suspicious. Whereas picking a civilian would allow a scum pres to ingratiate themselves with the VP.
What strikes me about math's pick is that it likely has no effect right now, assuming no night zero actions, which makes a certain amount of sense for day one when you have next to no info
Independent of night zero actions, it would have no immediate effect since it's "the following day". So this is an interesting point - i.e. if the other options had been like Civilian jurisdiction and Presidential pardon.
But it is very pro-scum. Tomorrow, anyone who took an action will know they are hated. If they get a wagon on them, they may need to reveal that they took an action to avoid being accidentally exiled. It's mitigated somewhat by this being RMM, but it will help scum in hunting the active PRs. Or by inhibiting town actions tonight.
Why does scum wamt to hunt active PRs?
To all those who are saying we should not exile mathdude, is it just because he's president? or are there other reasons?
One of my reasons... This is his second game. He was exiled day one of his first game and flipped town (that game is ongoing so I won’t say anything beyond that). I find that kind of welcome not awesome.
I also don’t think we are ever going to have any sense of what is scummy or not for him if we don’t actually get to see him play. I don’t think he has done anything scummy, but that is especially true if we remember that we have NO IDEA of how he behaves as scum.
I am much, mouth more wary of those who think they know his well enough to vote for him...
I told MiX.
But now I've told you all.He told me.
Exactly.
--snip--
So I have found no reason to take my vote off ash yet. Still the most scummy to me.@ mix - just to clarify, you are aware like 100% of what the other potential orders were? or you are aware like, Mathdude told you what choice they had?
I told MiX.
But now I've told you all.He told me.
Exactly.
@ mix - just to clarify, you are aware like 100% of what the other potential orders were? or you are aware like, Mathdude told you what choice they had?
He told me.What strikes me about math's pick is that it likely has no effect right now, assuming no night zero actions, which makes a certain amount of sense for day one when you have next to no info
But it is very pro-scum. Tomorrow, anyone who took an action will know they are hated. If they get a wagon on them, they may need to reveal that they took an action to avoid being accidentally exiled. It's mitigated somewhat by this being RMM, but it will help scum in hunting the active PRs. Or by inhibiting town actions tonight.
Why does scum wamt to hunt active PRs?
other than the obv here - the scenario listed by EFHW is less of a "hunt" and more of a "info gain". Which, in a set up like this, is probably more valuable for skum.
They can close their eyes and shoot this game and will likely hit a PR (or GTD to hit a PR whichever it is), so knowing who has active PRs is not valuable that much (agreeing with you)... however, knowing exactly what said Active PR can do in specificity, that would be quite valuable.
Keyword being what: if you just say how many "actions" you took last night or something, scum can't really use that to their advantage.
Vote: math for making a decision that he could've consulted with me first before doing it that I disagree with...twice. If you don't want my help, then I don't want you alive. I can just be the president if the QT's not useful for you.
So if there is a day stalling in the future, I wanted to be able to use this card in the future to force an exile (and one with civilian influence).
Vote: math for making a decision that he could've consulted with me first before doing it that I disagree with...twice. If you don't want my help, then I don't want you alive. I can just be the president if the QT's not useful for you.
Vote: math for making a decision that he could've consulted with me first before doing it that I disagree with...twice. If you don't want my help, then I don't want you alive. I can just be the president if the QT's not useful for you.
Vote: MiX for taking it upon himself to dictate to the president.
Don't get me wrong, I actually agree that consulting is good, but I definitely don't like that you hint, even in jest, that exiling the president to stage a coup is a proportionate response to a newish player making mistakes his own way.
reading along, finding it a bit hard to participate. maybe it's a no voting thing, but i feel like i am really waiting for D2 to happen.
So if there is a day stalling in the future, I wanted to be able to use this card in the future to force an exile (and one with civilian influence).
Are you aware that probably the majority the "good" characters in the show are military, rather than civilian? Of the civilian ones I can think of in the board game, other than the president herself (who's sympathetic on the whole), I can basically only think of a shady ex-con politician, a very manipulative political aide who murders someone for personal reasons, a weird lawyer, and the wife of one of the senior military officers on BSG, who was a bad influence on him and ultimately fed info to the cylons. I'd think that a lot of these people could have personal goals that aren't necessarily great for the rest of town.
Huh, I assume giving out spoilers for the show isn't something I need to try too hard to avoid, right?
Vote: math for making a decision that he could've consulted with me first before doing it that I disagree with...twice. If you don't want my help, then I don't want you alive. I can just be the president if the QT's not useful for you.
Vote: MiX for taking it upon himself to dictate to the president.
Don't get me wrong, I actually agree that consulting is good, but I definitely don't like that you hint, even in jest, that exiling the president to stage a coup is a proportionate response to a newish player making mistakes his own way.
We're sure that the card "expires" after today? The wording can be applied every day, you know.
I feel like we can easily just agree not to vote people to E-2 or whatever and avoid the whole claiming actions thing, no? Going against that agreement can just be a badge of mafia-ness.Should that not be E-3? or is the ash hammer turned off?
Vote: math for making a decision that he could've consulted with me first before doing it that I disagree with...twice. If you don't want my help, then I don't want you alive. I can just be the president if the QT's not useful for you.
Vote: MiX for taking it upon himself to dictate to the president.
Don't get me wrong, I actually agree that consulting is good, but I definitely don't like that you hint, even in jest, that exiling the president to stage a coup is a proportionate response to a newish player making mistakes his own way.
Don't get me wrong, I actually agree that consulting is good, but I definitely don't like that you hint, even in jest, that exiling the president to stage a coup is a proportionate response to a newish player making mistakes his own way.--- unlike you (joke-ish)
Robz has split personality disorder in this VC :PThanks, it's fixed now.
Curfew
For any action a player takes the following Night, they will take one fewer vote to exile on the Day after.
We're sure that the card "expires" after today? The wording can be applied every day, you know.
that is actually an extremely good point. The wording does not specify it at all.
Curfew
The following Day, all players take one vote fewer to exile for each Action they took the previous Night.
@MiX - you went from quote "lynching math today is bad" to quote "vote: math"... I know you switched to robz... but that is a big swing. How did that happen?
Vote: math for making a decision that he could've consulted with me first before doing it that I disagree with...twice. If you don't want my help, then I don't want you alive. I can just be the president if the QT's not useful for you.
Vote: MiX for taking it upon himself to dictate to the president.
Don't get me wrong, I actually agree that consulting is good, but I definitely don't like that you hint, even in jest, that exiling the president to stage a coup is a proportionate response to a newish player making mistakes his own way.
Agree
QuoteCurfew
The following Day, all players take one vote fewer to exile for each Action they took the previous Night.
Yes it does.
Note that I updated the wording for Curfew as it was somewhat ambiguous. The text now reads:QuoteCurfew
For any action a player takes the following Night, they will take one fewer vote to exile on the Day after.
This does not mean any functional difference.
QuoteCurfew
The following Day, all players take one vote fewer to exile for each Action they took the previous Night.
Yes it does.
No, it really doesn't. As written, it can mean "the day after a player takes an action, they take one fewer vote to exile for each action they took." It is applicable forever, because every time you read it, it doesn't refer to fixed points in time. If "previous night" is Night 4, then the "following day" is Day 5. It doesn't set a limit on when it triggers, just talks about days following nights in which actions are taken.
Because you're on the Dominion Strategy Forum, and arguing semantics is what we do here.
No thoughts on what's happening on the thread, lots of background knowledge on Battlestar Galactica. Should that be at all helpful.
So c'mon people, post!
No thoughts on what's happening on the thread, lots of background knowledge on Battlestar Galactica. Should that be at all helpful.
Okay, why shouldn't we exile you today? You can be scum as much as anyone else, and you don't seem to be playing the game. So why have you around at all?
So c'mon people, post!
Vote: scolapasta, as requested!
Oh, I can do that one. Vote: Scolapasta
So c'mon people, post!
Vote: scolapasta, as requested!Oh, I can do that one. Vote: Scolapasta
Ha! Well at least I managed to get some people to post. But voting without stating at least some reason? C'mon!
So c'mon people, post!
Vote: scolapasta, as requested!Oh, I can do that one. Vote: Scolapasta
Ha! Well at least I managed to get some people to post. But voting without stating at least some reason? C'mon!
Is there a reason why I shouldn't vote for you?
I'm just trying to learn the ropes by reading. And I've currently not got a clue what the meta is around here.
Maybe now at least you'll try to give me an answer?
Because you voted for me. :PI'm just trying to learn the ropes by reading. And I've currently not got a clue what the meta is around here.
So why vote for me?
space (though in space's case they usually post less frequently but more meaty)... Even MiX is doesn't quite seem his normally MiX-imp-ish self!
I would be curious to see a count of who's posted and how many times... I feel like several players have posted so much less than seems to be there norm - Robz, Swowl, Dylan, space (though in space's case they usually post less frequently but more meaty)... Even MiX is doesn't quite seem his normally MiX-imp-ish self!
Another point of discussion... our species, which we don't know. Does that play into things? Or is alignment all that will really matter? And how about civilian/military? I've assumed civilian is a good thing (since I am, and since getting a military president can trigger a turning point). But now I've also heard that the majority of the "good" guys (flavour-wise) are military? Where does this all fit in? Is it a battle between those two factions as well, or is Scum/Town (Town-aligned/non-Town-aligned) all that matters?
MiX, I love seeing someone who irritates you with more frequency than I do!
Another point of discussion... our species, which we don't know. Does that play into things? Or is alignment all that will really matter? And how about civilian/military? I've assumed civilian is a good thing (since I am, and since getting a military president can trigger a turning point). But now I've also heard that the majority of the "good" guys (flavour-wise) are military? Where does this all fit in? Is it a battle between those two factions as well, or is Scum/Town (Town-aligned/non-Town-aligned) all that matters?
I don't know anything about the flavor, but I think it's pretty clear that our species does play into things somehow, otherwise it would not be in the game. The same is true for civilian/military. It might affect abilities, e.g. a player could have an ability that targets a player and does different things depending on the target's species. Civilian and military affect the president at least, but there could also be abilities that care about it. It is not necessarily a good thing or a bad thing, and it probably doesn't suggest anything about your alignment. There is no battle between civilians and military, or humans and Cylons, only town and scum — we win when all threats to town have been eliminated regardless of anything else that might be going on.
MiX, I love seeing someone who irritates you with more frequency than I do!
Well, I know you by now, whereas math's new here, so that's not a fair comparison :PAnother point of discussion... our species, which we don't know. Does that play into things? Or is alignment all that will really matter? And how about civilian/military? I've assumed civilian is a good thing (since I am, and since getting a military president can trigger a turning point). But now I've also heard that the majority of the "good" guys (flavour-wise) are military? Where does this all fit in? Is it a battle between those two factions as well, or is Scum/Town (Town-aligned/non-Town-aligned) all that matters?
I don't know anything about the flavor, but I think it's pretty clear that our species does play into things somehow, otherwise it would not be in the game. The same is true for civilian/military. It might affect abilities, e.g. a player could have an ability that targets a player and does different things depending on the target's species. Civilian and military affect the president at least, but there could also be abilities that care about it. It is not necessarily a good thing or a bad thing, and it probably doesn't suggest anything about your alignment. There is no battle between civilians and military, or humans and Cylons, only town and scum — we win when all threats to town have been eliminated regardless of anything else that might be going on.
Awaclus gets a day pass for today and tomorrow from me. I haven't seen this much truth distilled into one post...ever, probably.
This seems like a bad reason for a "day pass". I mean it is concise so 👍 for that, but it's just clarifying things that seemed fairly clear to those with experience in these RMM games.
(also, thanks for the post counts - they confirmed some of the things my intuition was telling me)
mathdude: For example, I have a night action that will trigger a turning point. The action may help me or hurt me (it's sort of unclear, and flavour-wise, it looks like it could do either) but may also do nothing
What do you guys think of turning points?
I'm not sure whether I/we should be aiming for them/some or not.
For example, I have a night action that will trigger a turning point. The action may help me or hurt me (it's sort of unclear, and flavour-wise, it looks like it could do either) but may also do nothing.
Another point of discussion... our species, which we don't know. Does that play into things? Or is alignment all that will really matter? And how about civilian/military? I've assumed civilian is a good thing (since I am, and since getting a military president can trigger a turning point). But now I've also heard that the majority of the "good" guys (flavour-wise) are military? Where does this all fit in? Is it a battle between those two factions as well, or is Scum/Town (Town-aligned/non-Town-aligned) all that matters?
PPE: I don't think we should talk about turning points publicly and for the last time, please talk to me before revealing things in the thread I swear to god.
Quotemathdude: For example, I have a night action that will trigger a turning point. The action may help me or hurt me (it's sort of unclear, and flavour-wise, it looks like it could do either) but may also do nothing
I'm curious about math saying "me" here, instead of "town".
I like mathdude's reasponse here. @MiX, what is your rationale for why math should be consulting with you?
Quotemathdude: For example, I have a night action that will trigger a turning point. The action may help me or hurt me (it's sort of unclear, and flavour-wise, it looks like it could do either) but may also do nothing
I'm curious about math saying "me" here, instead of "town".
It's a townslip. Don't ask me why I think that.
Quotemathdude: For example, I have a night action that will trigger a turning point. The action may help me or hurt me (it's sort of unclear, and flavour-wise, it looks like it could do either) but may also do nothing
I'm curious about math saying "me" here, instead of "town".
I would say your personal goal and faction wincon are the two things that really matter, and we've been told they shouldn't conflict. The show is set on a military battle star that ends up having a fleet of civilian ships around it that it has to protect, so the military are initially heroes. The series does play with the problem of overreaching military policing citizens, but they do that mostly by introducing a second base star with an abusive but effective leader (Admiral Helena Cain), who is eventually killed off. That's not to say that there aren't times where the civilian government and military command don't agree, but ultimately the leader of the military (Admiral Bill Adama) and the President (Laura Roslin) end up together. Oh, and the super-problematic other civilian I forgot to mention before is Gaius Baltar, the incredibly sleazy self-interested scientific genius who's involved in unwittingly letting the Cylons into a back door in Caprica's defence mainframe prior to the big attack that wipes out the colonies, then cheats his way off-planet, offers up his intellectual services on Galactica, and proceeds to do lots of dubious stuff, like having an imaginary cylon in his head all the time, building up an entire cult of personality that sees him become president for a time, and also escaping to the Cylon fleet to collaborate with them when he's in hot water in the human fleet. One of my friends who used to like playing Balter in the BSG game absolutely didn't want to any more after seeing the show!
Your reactions seem a lot stronger than this.Quotemathdude: For example, I have a night action that will trigger a turning point. The action may help me or hurt me (it's sort of unclear, and flavour-wise, it looks like it could do either) but may also do nothing
I'm curious about math saying "me" here, instead of "town".
It's a townslip. Don't ask me why I think that.I like mathdude's reasponse here. @MiX, what is your rationale for why math should be consulting with you?
Why not? It's a free opportunity to know my answer before the thread's. Besides, I'm there to help him make decisions, it's why the QT exists in the first place.
Why not? It's a free opportunity to know my answer before the thread's. Besides, I'm there to help him make decisions, it's why the QT exists in the first place.
Don't ask me why I think that.
Why do you think that?
This is stupid. I offer a masonry, I try to protect you, and this is how you repay me? Why do I bother.
Dayvig: math
This is way more amusing anyway.
This is stupid. I offer a masonry, I try to protect you, and this is how you repay me? Why do I bother.
Dayvig: math
This is way more amusing anyway.
"offer a masonry"? I saw no such thing.
I'm going to guess "dayvig" is actually a power or something, and this could be the end of me. Might as well get some final thoughts out before I flip if that's where it's going.
Personal goals seem to be playing some effect here with MiX, which obviously don't align with me or Town. And he's ready to take advantage of the Presidency, even if it outs him, for some reason. He has said he's strongly townreading me, yet kills me? What's up with that?
If I am gone... I'll see you all in speccy later, and/or in another game. Maybe I'll get past day 1 one of these games!
Well, it got a reaction.
But it always frustrates me when someone answers a question with a question.
Another point of discussion... our species, which we don't know. Does that play into things? Or is alignment all that will really matter? And how about civilian/military? I've assumed civilian is a good thing (since I am, and since getting a military president can trigger a turning point). But now I've also heard that the majority of the "good" guys (flavour-wise) are military? Where does this all fit in? Is it a battle between those two factions as well, or is Scum/Town (Town-aligned/non-Town-aligned) all that matters?
I don't know anything about the flavor, but I think it's pretty clear that our species does play into things somehow, otherwise it would not be in the game. The same is true for civilian/military. It might affect abilities, e.g. a player could have an ability that targets a player and does different things depending on the target's species. Civilian and military affect the president at least, but there could also be abilities that care about it. It is not necessarily a good thing or a bad thing, and it probably doesn't suggest anything about your alignment. There is no battle between civilians and military, or humans and Cylons, only town and scum — we win when all threats to town have been eliminated regardless of anything else that might be going on.
Has the command for an actual dayvig ever been "dayvig"?
This was an intentional choice. I had initially typed "The action may help me or Town, or it may hurt me or Town". But as I re-read before posting, I decided there isn't really anything about it town-related. It's specifically related to my character, and possibly has some relation to my character arc, but I don't know yet (my character arc/goal currently makes no sense to me, so I'm actually assuming a/multiple turning point(s) may be needed for it to make sense).
This was an intentional choice. I had initially typed "The action may help me or Town, or it may hurt me or Town". But as I re-read before posting, I decided there isn't really anything about it town-related. It's specifically related to my character, and possibly has some relation to my character arc, but I don't know yet (my character arc/goal currently makes no sense to me, so I'm actually assuming a/multiple turning point(s) may be needed for it to make sense).
Also, putting an "or" between yourself and Town would at least slightly seem to suggest you are separate entities. Seems like a bad thing to do.
Someone hacked Awaclus' account. This is not Awaclus typing. (Queue he's been taken over by a Cylon joke.)
Someone hacked Awaclus' account. This is not Awaclus typing. (Queue he's been taken over by a Cylon joke.)
Why? It is me typing.
But it always frustrates me when someone answers a question with a question.
But what if you are on Jeopardy?
I find mathdude’s response to MiX entirely in line with how others of us have responded to MiX in the past. He IS controlling and bossy, so that read is dead on. Aggravating MiX is a badge of honor. It’s super towny of math to respond this way, I think.
As others have noted, it just didn't sound like you.
Also, I was thinking about the curfew, and there is a plan possible there, but I don't know how good it is. Basically if everyone just doesn't do any night actions, then if there's a nightkill tonight, we can just auto-exile scum tomorrow by putting everyone at L-1 in succession, right?
As others have noted, it just didn't sound like you.
Nobody else has noted that.
Also, I was thinking about the curfew, and there is a plan possible there, but I don't know how good it is. Basically if everyone just doesn't do any night actions, then if there's a nightkill tonight, we can just auto-exile scum tomorrow by putting everyone at L-1 in succession, right?
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I am all against Jack Rudd exile. ADK is a good exile, as well as Robz, I guess
I am all against Jack Rudd exile. ADK is a good exile, as well as Robz, I guess
Why against Jack Rudd? I get the only argument for really is lack of content.
I too am against a Jack Rudd exile. We should really not exile newbies on Day 1 without an extraordinarily compelling reason.
I have a super busy tomorrow, and although I should be around in the evening, I have some fear of having the day get away from me.
vote: Jack Rudd I had him and ADK on my scummiest list earlier and ADK has slipped a bit into the next-scummiest area as of late leaving Jack at the top of my list alone.
if I could, I'd vote ADK rn
I don't get it. There's nothing in the last 50 posts to indicate why people would be anti-ADK.if I could, I'd vote ADK rn
I got you, boo!
I don't get it. There's nothing in the last 50 posts to indicate why people would be anti-ADK.if I could, I'd vote ADK rn
I got you, boo!
I agree, Scola, on how odd today has been. Deadline is super early (like 3am) on Monday night/Tuesday morning so it’s getting on in hours.Going back another 50, there is this from Didds, her only game related post on that page.
My best guesses for scum, right now, are ADK and Jack Rudd.
In my next scummiest are MiX and Rob.
Vote: ADKHere's another unexplained vote. I'm probably not going to get an answer, but Awaclus, could you share your reasoning with us?
It's more that I think it's a bad idea to reveal information about LL's role for no reason in case that information is of benefit to scumI think might have bern the opinion that offended LL, at least.
I don't get it. There's nothing in the last 50 posts to indicate why people would be anti-ADK.if I could, I'd vote ADK rn
I got you, boo!
I think we should do a lurker exile. Based on 288/289, with Dylan vla, that points to
vote: Didds. Fits with the arbitrary ADK vote, as well.
I haven't played with ADK or scolapasta before, so I'm not sure what to think of them yet. But if it will possibly generate more discussion, let's make this a 3-way race for now. Obviously we need to get to a 2-way race soon, and then actually pick 1 to exile. But let's see what happens when we start building wagons on 3.
Vote: ADK
So I believe that's multiple votes now on ADK, MiX, and scolapasta. Anyone want to defend any of them? Or jump on one of those wagons?
PPE... like this!I don't get it. There's nothing in the last 50 posts to indicate why people would be anti-ADK.if I could, I'd vote ADK rn
I got you, boo!
I don't get it. There's nothing in the last 50 posts to indicate why people would be anti-ADK.if I could, I'd vote ADK rn
I got you, boo!
I think it's because I'm generally an easy exile
I think we should do a lurker exile. Based on 288/289, with Dylan vla, that points to
vote: Didds. Fits with the arbitrary ADK vote, as well.
ADK doesn't normally lay so low. One of the hallmarks of ADK play is early RVS and then pressure for everyone else to vote, followed by a bunch of questions. None of that has happened in this game. Additionally, I was late to realizing this game has started. When I finished my initial (late) read, ADK was my top scumread because they were in favor of keeping LLs role information secret, whereas Space was in favor of sharing flavor information that about half the people had and half did not. I agreed with Space on that so found ADK a bit scummy and then they have haven't done much to change that.
That said, I have a TERRIBLE record of misexiling ADK so I am not taking my sense too seriously because of how often that sense has led me astray. But that is where I am right now.
Also, I was thinking about the curfew, and there is a plan possible there, but I don't know how good it is. Basically if everyone just doesn't do any night actions, then if there's a nightkill tonight, we can just auto-exile scum tomorrow by putting everyone at L-1 in succession, right?
I like that idea, though presumably scum could no-kill and then we're in perpetual d1 with respect to the amount of investigative information available, which seems like a nightmare scenario for anyone who plays like me, where vote analysis and evidence are key :-P Do we have enough "reads" players to carry the game for town there?
Aside from that, though, I think there are just too many cats to herd at this stage of the game for it to be feasible. I'm sure we can all imagine a player who'd absolutely swear that they were correct to use their power in spite of such a plan if they thought it was strong, and not care that it messes up a town-wide plan. We've also got players who're surprisingly willing to self-vote if hammers become available, playing to meta as much as to their wincons. So I think it might be risky.
Lastly, compulsive actions are definitely a thing in regular mafia, so I see no reason not to assume we may have townies with compulsive powers here. With so little known so far about how faust's particular game mechanics are realised, I think it's probably too early to go around demanding that everyone owns up to whether they have a compulsive action ahead of N1, which we'd probably have to do in order to stop scum using that excuse as a reason not to run them to E-1.
I haven't played with ADK or scolapasta before, so I'm not sure what to think of them yet. But if it will possibly generate more discussion, let's make this a 3-way race for now. Obviously we need to get to a 2-way race soon, and then actually pick 1 to exile. But let's see what happens when we start building wagons on 3.
Vote: ADK
So I believe that's multiple votes now on ADK, MiX, and scolapasta. Anyone want to defend any of them? Or jump on one of those wagons?
PPE... like this!I don't get it. There's nothing in the last 50 posts to indicate why people would be anti-ADK.if I could, I'd vote ADK rn
I got you, boo!
Yes I would like to defend all of them, I think ADK and scola are very townie, and I'm a bad exile (I'm also town).I don't get it. There's nothing in the last 50 posts to indicate why people would be anti-ADK.if I could, I'd vote ADK rn
I got you, boo!
I think it's because I'm generally an easy exile
Only when you're town.I think we should do a lurker exile. Based on 288/289, with Dylan vla, that points to
vote: Didds. Fits with the arbitrary ADK vote, as well.
Eh, that sounds unfun. I can see Didds be scum here, but from experience I would not try to read Didds day 1. I guess giving Didds a daypass every game isn't ideal, but...I still think it's good :P
ADK doesn't normally lay so low. One of the hallmarks of ADK play is early RVS and then pressure for everyone else to vote, followed by a bunch of questions. None of that has happened in this game. Additionally, I was late to realizing this game has started. When I finished my initial (late) read, ADK was my top scumread because they were in favor of keeping LLs role information secret, whereas Space was in favor of sharing flavor information that about half the people had and half did not. I agreed with Space on that so found ADK a bit scummy and then they have haven't done much to change that.
That said, I have a TERRIBLE record of misexiling ADK so I am not taking my sense too seriously because of how often that sense has led me astray. But that is where I am right now.
As someone that typically townreads everyone that agrees with them, why do you think ADK being in favor of keeping LL's role a secret is scummy? Would town!ADK not do that?
Robz.
ADK doesn't normally lay so low. One of the hallmarks of ADK play is early RVS and then pressure for everyone else to vote, followed by a bunch of questions. None of that has happened in this game. Additionally, I was late to realizing this game has started. When I finished my initial (late) read, ADK was my top scumread because they were in favor of keeping LLs role information secret, whereas Space was in favor of sharing flavor information that about half the people had and half did not. I agreed with Space on that so found ADK a bit scummy and then they have haven't done much to change that.
That said, I have a TERRIBLE record of misexiling ADK so I am not taking my sense too seriously because of how often that sense has led me astray. But that is where I am right now.
As someone that typically townreads everyone that agrees with them, why do you think ADK being in favor of keeping LL's role a secret is scummy? Would town!ADK not do that?
I can answer this one - I meant to post back them, but never got it it - become scum only needs 1 person to know the background and can share in their QT. Town needs everyone to know it. SO if scum does know, hiding it is pro scum, while it's only possibly pro town if no scum knows.
ADK doesn't normally lay so low. One of the hallmarks of ADK play is early RVS and then pressure for everyone else to vote, followed by a bunch of questions. None of that has happened in this game. Additionally, I was late to realizing this game has started. When I finished my initial (late) read, ADK was my top scumread because they were in favor of keeping LLs role information secret, whereas Space was in favor of sharing flavor information that about half the people had and half did not. I agreed with Space on that so found ADK a bit scummy and then they have haven't done much to change that.
That said, I have a TERRIBLE record of misexiling ADK so I am not taking my sense too seriously because of how often that sense has led me astray. But that is where I am right now.
As someone that typically townreads everyone that agrees with them, why do you think ADK being in favor of keeping LL's role a secret is scummy? Would town!ADK not do that?
ADK doesn't normally lay so low. One of the hallmarks of ADK play is early RVS and then pressure for everyone else to vote, followed by a bunch of questions. None of that has happened in this game. Additionally, I was late to realizing this game has started. When I finished my initial (late) read, ADK was my top scumread because they were in favor of keeping LLs role information secret, whereas Space was in favor of sharing flavor information that about half the people had and half did not. I agreed with Space on that so found ADK a bit scummy and then they have haven't done much to change that.
That said, I have a TERRIBLE record of misexiling ADK so I am not taking my sense too seriously because of how often that sense has led me astray. But that is where I am right now.
As someone that typically townreads everyone that agrees with them, why do you think ADK being in favor of keeping LL's role a secret is scummy? Would town!ADK not do that?
I can answer this one - I meant to post back them, but never got it it - become scum only needs 1 person to know the background and can share in their QT. Town needs everyone to know it. SO if scum does know, hiding it is pro scum, while it's only possibly pro town if no scum knows.
Okay, I understand why it's anti-town, but why is it scummy?
I think we should do a lurker exile. Based on 288/289, with Dylan vla, that points to
vote: Didds. Fits with the arbitrary ADK vote, as well.
Okay, I understand why it's anti-town, but why is it scummy?
Good point. Maybe I just haven't played enough games, I equate anti-town with scummy. I guess there can be third parties, but I'm ok with brigging them as well, if it avoids brigging a fellow townie.
Good point. Maybe I just haven't played enough games, I equate anti-town with scummy. I guess there can be third parties, but I'm ok with brigging them as well, if it avoids brigging a fellow townie.
Good point. Maybe I just haven't played enough games, I equate anti-town with scummy. I guess there can be third parties, but I'm ok with brigging them as well, if it avoids brigging a fellow townie.
"Scum" generally includes third parties. MiX's point is that townies can act in an anti-town way (which is technically true, but not really something that needs to be taken into consideration a lot).
Good point. Maybe I just haven't played enough games, I equate anti-town with scummy. I guess there can be third parties, but I'm ok with brigging them as well, if it avoids brigging a fellow townie.
"Scum" generally includes third parties. MiX's point is that townies can act in an anti-town way (which is technically true, but not really something that needs to be taken into consideration a lot).
I would say it's something that needs to be taken into consideration all the time but I think that's a fundamental difference in our playstyles
I haven't played with ADK or scolapasta before, so I'm not sure what to think of them yet. But if it will possibly generate more discussion, let's make this a 3-way race for now. Obviously we need to get to a 2-way race soon, and then actually pick 1 to exile. But let's see what happens when we start building wagons on 3.
Vote: ADK
So I believe that's multiple votes now on ADK, MiX, and scolapasta. Anyone want to defend any of them? Or jump on one of those wagons?
PPE... like this!I don't get it. There's nothing in the last 50 posts to indicate why people would be anti-ADK.if I could, I'd vote ADK rn
I got you, boo!
I think we should do a lurker exile. Based on 288/289, with Dylan vla, that points to
vote: Didds. Fits with the arbitrary ADK vote, as well.
Huh... at present, I have:
Jack Rudd - 9
SpaceAnemone - 15
WestCoastDidds - 15
MiX - 47
EFHW - 19
scolapasta - 36
LaLight - 22
Dylan32 - 6
A Drowned Kernel - 23
Swowl - 24
Robz888 - 11
ashersky - 29
Awaclus - 18
mathdude - 19
But this could be mistaken. I appreciate when Space does the post and word counts, because one line posts are much different than longer ones.
ADK doesn't normally lay so low. One of the hallmarks of ADK play is early RVS and then pressure for everyone else to vote, followed by a bunch of questions. None of that has happened in this game. Additionally, I was late to realizing this game has started. When I finished my initial (late) read, ADK was my top scumread because they were in favor of keeping LLs role information secret, whereas Space was in favor of sharing flavor information that about half the people had and half did not. I agreed with Space on that so found ADK a bit scummy and then they have haven't done much to change that.
That said, I have a TERRIBLE record of misexiling ADK so I am not taking my sense too seriously because of how often that sense has led me astray. But that is where I am right now.
As someone that typically townreads everyone that agrees with them, why do you think ADK being in favor of keeping LL's role a secret is scummy? Would town!ADK not do that?
I can answer this one - I meant to post back them, but never got it it - become scum only needs 1 person to know the background and can share in their QT. Town needs everyone to know it. SO if scum does know, hiding it is pro scum, while it's only possibly pro town if no scum knows.
So I guess people want to see a Robz case eventually, right? When's deadline?
I'm surprised to see Swowl at > 20 posts on those lists. I can't recall a particular conversation he's been an active part of.
I feel I'd put him in the same bucket I have Robz - usually posts a lot on other games, but mostly absent this game. Dylan too, but he's got the VLA (will he back back before deadline??)
vote: Robz
New data shows he is the biggest lurker.vote: Robz
Care to add anything to that? Or is that your contribution?
I'm actually starting to feel vote: EFHWI wasn't white knighting you, I was addressing an apparent movement to generate momentum for your wagon in the absence of any case.
White-knighting me was a little odd and jumping on the robz wagon feels opportunistic
This seems interesting. Vote: EFHWI would still like to hear your response to my question about your ADK vote.
This seems interesting. Vote: EFHW
Also, I was thinking about the curfew, and there is a plan possible there, but I don't know how good it is. Basically if everyone just doesn't do any night actions, then if there's a nightkill tonight, we can just auto-exile scum tomorrow by putting everyone at L-1 in succession, right?Pretty sure this was covered - but, to be sure. While it is a good idea in theory... it is never working Night 1. It may not even be able to work later down the road... but it is a cool idea. Should be dog eared for potential use.
if I could, I'd vote ADK rnI am going to politely insist on your reasoning behind that. You can tell me later though if you want.
Robz.why? you don't adhere to the LAL concept generally.
Robz.why? you don't adhere to the LAL concept generally.
New data shows he is the biggest lurker.vote: Robz
Care to add anything to that? Or is that your contribution?
This seems interesting. Vote: EFHW
Is Robz your scum buddy?
This seems interesting. Vote: EFHWI would still like to hear your response to my question about your ADK vote.
if I could, I'd vote ADK rnI am going to politely insist on your reasoning behind that. You can tell me later though if you want.
Robz not caring about D1 is neutral to town Robz. Move on.
The "no one take actions and we go for E-1 for everyone if there's an NK" plan is towny, even if it wouldn't work for some reason. Town points to that player (ADK?).
Also, I'd definitely do it if it was agreed upon.
The "no one take actions and we go for E-1 for everyone if there's an NK" plan is towny, even if it wouldn't work for some reason. Town points to that player (ADK?).
Also, I'd definitely do it if it was agreed upon.
It was ADK.
This seems interesting. Vote: EFHW
Is Robz your scum buddy?
This seems interesting. Vote: EFHW
Is Robz your scum buddy?
No! Why do you ask?
New data shows he is the biggest lurker.vote: Robz
Care to add anything to that? Or is that your contribution?
It is Robz on Day 1. It would be skummy if he was posting a lot. The fact they are lurking should tell you absolutely nothing... if anything it should tell you he is acting towny.
Anyone have a reason for voting Robz that isn't "lurking"?
PPE - Mix response noted. will wait for that rise and shine reasoning.
This seems interesting. Vote: EFHW
Is Robz your scum buddy?
No! Why do you ask?
How do you know that Robz is not my scum buddy?
New data shows he is the biggest lurker.vote: Robz
Care to add anything to that? Or is that your contribution?
It is Robz on Day 1. It would be skummy if he was posting a lot. The fact they are lurking should tell you absolutely nothing... if anything it should tell you he is acting towny.
Anyone have a reason for voting Robz that isn't "lurking"?
PPE - Mix response noted. will wait for that rise and shine reasoning.
This is a problematic approach that has also come up recently about Galzria. The incentivews are all wrong. Everyone finds D1 hard. Why should some people get to consistently sit out while the others do the work?
This seems interesting. Vote: EFHW
Is Robz your scum buddy?
No! Why do you ask?
How do you know that Robz is not my scum buddy?
LOL. I was so focused on the vote: Me, that I assumed the question was for me!
New data shows he is the biggest lurker.vote: Robz
Care to add anything to that? Or is that your contribution?
It is Robz on Day 1. It would be skummy if he was posting a lot. The fact they are lurking should tell you absolutely nothing... if anything it should tell you he is acting towny.
Anyone have a reason for voting Robz that isn't "lurking"?
PPE - Mix response noted. will wait for that rise and shine reasoning.
This is a problematic approach that has also come up recently about Galzria. The incentivews are all wrong. Everyone finds D1 hard. Why should some people get to consistently sit out while the others do the work?
Also, how about a full-on mass claim?
Also, how about a full-on mass claim?
Too late for that, regardless of what I personally think about it.
Also, how about a full-on mass claim?
Also, how about a full-on mass claim?
It's anti-town to ask this because people's reactions to it can be indicative of what roles they have.
Also, how about a full-on mass claim?
It's anti-town to ask this because people's reactions to it can be indicative of what roles they have.
By that logic, it's anti-town to react to it.
Lalight are you willing to answer this:
Does your info tell you if / when you'll be able to vote? Or is just defined indefinitely?
I'm actually surprised it took this long for someone to suggest it. One of the others things that has made this D1 weird.
Though I also think it's as weird to suggest it now this late in the day.
Lalight are you willing to answer this:
Does your info tell you if / when you'll be able to vote? Or is just defined indefinitely?
Lalight are you willing to answer this:
Does your info tell you if / when you'll be able to vote? Or is just defined indefinitely?
Why do you think it helps town for LL to answer this?I'm actually surprised it took this long for someone to suggest it. One of the others things that has made this D1 weird.
Though I also think it's as weird to suggest it now this late in the day.
Do we have to go through the same topics every game?
Why are we back to setup discussion?
Lalight are you willing to answer this:
Does your info tell you if / when you'll be able to vote? Or is just defined indefinitely?
Why do you think it helps town for LL to answer this?
why not? i won't tell more than yes/no
Lalight are you willing to answer this:
Does your info tell you if / when you'll be able to vote? Or is just defined indefinitely?
Why do you think it helps town for LL to answer this?
why not? i won't tell more than yes/no
Because scola's answer to that question is hopefully better for town than yours.
- passive, miscellaneous
- passive, killing
- miscellaneous, protective
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 1 ends March 25, 2021, 03:30:00 am. Note the extension of the deadline.Also note - it only takes 7 to exile now.
Is the same executive order still in effect?Yes.
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 1 ends March 25, 2021, 03:30:00 am. Note the extension of the deadline.Also note - it only takes 7 to exile now.
*he asks knowing the answer* - Awaclus, wanna share anything?
also also.. We do not know that "incapacitated" is the same as being sent to the brig. just to note.actually yeah, at second glance, the flavor text would def suggest that Math is not dead. or brigged or whatever.
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 1 ends March 25, 2021, 03:30:00 am. Note the extension of the deadline.Also note - it only takes 7 to exile now.
*he asks knowing the answer* - Awaclus, wanna share anything?
I was offered two options, of which I chose option 1:
1) attempt to spare mathdude and remain town
2) attempt to kill mathdude and get my alignment changed to scum (by the way, the red scum team is in fact called Cylon-aligned, and their win con is the usual scum win con) and the number of points I would get for winning reduced to 2
The wording in the QT uses a different word instead of "attempt" which I will not share because I'm not sure if that would breach the QT quoting rule, but that idea is explicitly there. I don't know what it means in practice because evidently it didn't work.
disregard. read that again.With 13 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 1 ends March 25, 2021, 03:30:00 am. Note the extension of the deadline.Also note - it only takes 7 to exile now.
*he asks knowing the answer* - Awaclus, wanna share anything?
I was offered two options, of which I chose option 1:
1) attempt to spare mathdude and remain town
2) attempt to kill mathdude and get my alignment changed to scum (by the way, the red scum team is in fact called Cylon-aligned, and their win con is the usual scum win con) and the number of points I would get for winning reduced to 2
The wording in the QT uses a different word instead of "attempt" which I will not share because I'm not sure if that would breach the QT quoting rule, but that idea is explicitly there. I don't know what it means in practice because evidently it didn't work.
so... you are skum now?
Flavor, death and exile.
Since the idea is to play the same character over multiple games, elimination from the game will not usually be flavored as dying. Instead, exiled players are sent to the brig and player that are killed by other means are incapacitated. It may be possible by certain abilities to permanently remove characters from the campaign.
Vote: Awaclus
I correctly read you as non-town, you are playing to try to be non-town, and you killed math who was obviously town. Die.
Suddenly, Awaclus turns around. As they reach towards their belt, a single tear rolls down their face.
Vote: Awaclus
I correctly read you as non-town, you are playing to try to be non-town, and you killed math who was obviously town. Die.
Perhaps you should also read again because none of that is true, except for the last part but only technically. I'm town, I'm playing to try to be town, and I tried to save math who was obviously town.
Oh you chose option one. Ah. Hmm...I refuse to believe math could just be randomly removed from the game like that, and I had you as scum before, so you get my vote.
Oh you chose option one. Ah. Hmm...I refuse to believe math could just be randomly removed from the game like that, and I had you as scum before, so you get my vote.
Well, evidently he was removed from the game like that.
What do you think about all this Awaclus?
I presume someone forced Awaclus to make this choice. If that's true, then someone picked Awaclus and gave him the option to either be town or scum. But Awaclus would quite literally always choose to be town, so this someone either doesn't know Awaclus, or isn't scum (or it's ash. crazy stuff and all that). So I think we should explore this option.
Sigh...........I couldn't even protect math. I feel so useless right now, all the things we talked about, everything that we did privately and publicly...useless, now.
Okay, now for bureaucratic things...I'm a civilian, of course, and now I need to pick a VP. If anyone wants to speak up regarding this, do so.
Awaclus, is your flavor name Sharon Valerii (aka Boomer)?
Awaclus, is your flavor name Sharon Valerii (aka Boomer)?
No.
Awaclus, is your flavor name Sharon Valerii (aka Boomer)?
No.
That surprises me quite a bit. What is your flavor name, then?
where's the turning point?
That was exciting.
Poor mathdude. I guess another green flip helps with meta-building though.
where's the turning point?
What turning point?
Awaclus, could you elaborate on how the option to spare mathdude were presented? I could imagine depending on wording that it could just have been the difference between incapacitate (which is the equivalent of a NK) and an actual character death, which we know is *somehow* possible.
I'm not sure you've been quite as towny as you think you've been, but I do think it's interesting to hear that's your thinking. If that's been your goal, I wonder if this is something you actually chose to do in order to further cement your towniness (also knows as Advanced WIFOM 201). In that case, the 2 fewer points for switching would be a nice touch.
in this game it didn't look like people were strongly townreading me even though mostly they weren't suspicious of me either
Awaclus, could you elaborate on how the option to spare mathdude were presented? I could imagine depending on wording that it could just have been the difference between incapacitate (which is the equivalent of a NK) and an actual character death, which we know is *somehow* possible.
That is a possibility. Nothing in particular about the message makes me think that would be the case, but nothing contradicts it either.I'm not sure you've been quite as towny as you think you've been, but I do think it's interesting to hear that's your thinking. If that's been your goal, I wonder if this is something you actually chose to do in order to further cement your towniness (also knows as Advanced WIFOM 201). In that case, the 2 fewer points for switching would be a nice touch.
I don't think this is a misrepresentation of the situation:in this game it didn't look like people were strongly townreading me even though mostly they weren't suspicious of me either
Awaclus, could you elaborate on how the option to spare mathdude were presented? I could imagine depending on wording that it could just have been the difference between incapacitate (which is the equivalent of a NK) and an actual character death, which we know is *somehow* possible.
That is a possibility. Nothing in particular about the message makes me think that would be the case, but nothing contradicts it either.I'm not sure you've been quite as towny as you think you've been, but I do think it's interesting to hear that's your thinking. If that's been your goal, I wonder if this is something you actually chose to do in order to further cement your towniness (also knows as Advanced WIFOM 201). In that case, the 2 fewer points for switching would be a nice touch.
I don't think this is a misrepresentation of the situation:in this game it didn't look like people were strongly townreading me even though mostly they weren't suspicious of me either
Like I said Advanced WIFOM 201, now agreeing with me that you might purposefully be trying to be extra towny.
Vote: Awaclus
For those with more experience in these types of RMM, do we think that this is a once per game kinda thing; or should we be wary that whatever triggered it could happen again and cause Awaclus to stab someone else?
How was I supposed to know that pressing that button that glowed "DO NOT PRESS ME" would make Awaclus crazy??
Sigh...........I couldn't even protect math. I feel so useless right now, all the things we talked about, everything that we did privately and publicly...useless, now.
Okay, now for bureaucratic things...I'm a civilian, of course, and now I need to pick a VP. If anyone wants to speak up regarding this, do so.
Sigh...........I couldn't even protect math. I feel so useless right now, all the things we talked about, everything that we did privately and publicly...useless, now.
Okay, now for bureaucratic things...I'm a civilian, of course, and now I need to pick a VP. If anyone wants to speak up regarding this, do so.
pretty sure you have to wait until the next "even night", so you got some time.
Thing I do not get here is why Awaclus would choose Math, if Awaclus made the choice.
As for the third party hypothesis: it's kind of weird, by which I mean it definitely didn't occur to me. If it's also not that obvious to others, we should consider that this could be one of those many times when MiX's conclusions are strongly coloured by what MiX himself knows about the game, i.e. does MiX have any special knowledge about third parties?
I also thought that Awaclus made sense as Boomer, and hadn't considered Billy. I was about add, for the benefit of the thread at large, that Billy is another non-military character, then I remembered that the main person who'd shown interest in the miltary-civilian division was Mathdude :-( It is generally a pretty Cylon-ish thing to do just to unexpectedly kill someone, though. That would be Cylon in the species sense, not necessarily always Cylon-aligned in the probable-game-wincon sense.
As for the third party hypothesis: it's kind of weird, by which I mean it definitely didn't occur to me. If it's also not that obvious to others, we should consider that this could be one of those many times when MiX's conclusions are strongly coloured by what MiX himself knows about the game, i.e. does MiX have any special knowledge about third parties?
As for VP-ness, I do not have enough hours in the day to cope with a MiX QT, and have no strong sense of townieness on anyone else.
ooooo cuz you just got the job right right. carry on.
As for the third party hypothesis: it's kind of weird, by which I mean it definitely didn't occur to me. If it's also not that obvious to others, we should consider that this could be one of those many times when MiX's conclusions are strongly coloured by what MiX himself knows about the game, i.e. does MiX have any special knowledge about third parties?
I don't think it's likely that a third party (or anyone, besides faust) caused this to happen on purpose, but I also don't think it's weird to consider the possibility of third parties existing in an RMM. For example, I took that into account when I specified that the Cylon-aligned faction is the red team.
Vote: Robz888
no u
Speaking about cylon-aligned, can you elaborate on what the scum faction is, without quoting?
How do I ask a question about this vote that you will answer...
Do you think Robz is scum?
Do you think your vote on Robz is the best you could do here?
Would you vote for someone else if the wagons looked differently? If so, who?
ooooo cuz you just got the job right right. carry on.Do you have any opinion on who I should pick as VP?
ooooo cuz you just got the job right right. carry on.Do you have any opinion on who I should pick as VP?
I am mulling it over. Need to decide if I wanna throw my hat in the ring or not before I consider others. I'll get a short list to you though sometime today once I have thought it through.
ooooo cuz you just got the job right right. carry on.Do you have any opinion on who I should pick as VP?
I am mulling it over. Need to decide if I wanna throw my hat in the ring or not before I consider others. I'll get a short list to you though sometime today once I have thought it through.
I'm going to have to ask you not to throw your hat in the ring
ooooo cuz you just got the job right right. carry on.Do you have any opinion on who I should pick as VP?
I am mulling it over. Need to decide if I wanna throw my hat in the ring or not before I consider others. I'll get a short list to you though sometime today once I have thought it through.
I'm going to have to ask you not to throw your hat in the ring
Why? Specifically Swowl, or do you want to be unopposed?
ooooo cuz you just got the job right right. carry on.Do you have any opinion on who I should pick as VP?
I am mulling it over. Need to decide if I wanna throw my hat in the ring or not before I consider others. I'll get a short list to you though sometime today once I have thought it through.
I'm going to have to ask you not to throw your hat in the ring
Why? Specifically Swowl, or do you want to be unopposed?
Specifically swowl, and because of reasons
ooooo cuz you just got the job right right. carry on.Do you have any opinion on who I should pick as VP?
I am mulling it over. Need to decide if I wanna throw my hat in the ring or not before I consider others. I'll get a short list to you though sometime today once I have thought it through.
I'm going to have to ask you not to throw your hat in the ring
Why? Specifically Swowl, or do you want to be unopposed?
Specifically swowl, and because of reasons
We will stop talking about this now.
If ADK's reason is the same as my reason, there is a fairly decent reason for ADK here as a choice.
Can't really argue that it would seem "off" from an outside pov though. @ pasta
I'd love to be a vp.
I find Awaclus believable here. Someone asked what the Awaclus-mathdude connection would be, but it seems more likely it was a {someone}-president connection, with someone being chosen somehow.
Either way, I'd be wary of picking someone who *wants* to be VP.
Awaclus, is your flavor name Sharon Valerii (aka Boomer)?
Awaclus - pretty pretty please... reasons for Robz?
Awaclus - pretty pretty please... reasons for Robz?
Reason for Robz: he's scum.
- According to Awaclus, they could get easier character points. This would be at the cost of putting them in this position however. So, imo, also unlikely.
Awaclus - pretty pretty please... reasons for Robz?
Reason for Robz: he's scum.
dude work with me here. just like anything. No one is giving anyyyyyyy reason for robz.
- According to Awaclus, they could get easier character points. This would be at the cost of putting them in this position however. So, imo, also unlikely.
I haven't said that and I haven't gotten any points. I was offered the option to decrease the number of points I would get from winning, but I didn't take it.
Awaclus - pretty pretty please... reasons for Robz?
Reason for Robz: he's scum.
dude work with me here. just like anything. No one is giving anyyyyyyy reason for robz.
Why are you not his scum buddy?
the choice you were given was to decrease points and convert to skum?
Flavor, death and exile.
Since the idea is to play the same character over multiple games, elimination from the game will not usually be flavored as dying. Instead, exiled players are sent to the brig and player that are killed by other means are incapacitated. It may be possible by certain abilities to permanently remove characters from the campaign.
bc I have a pm that says I am town.
why are you so unwilling to give a reason?
bc I have a pm that says I am town.
why are you so unwilling to give a reason?
I don't have a pm that says I am town, I have a pm with a link to a QT. Vote: Swowl
bc I have a pm that says I am town.
why are you so unwilling to give a reason?
I don't have a pm that says I am town, I have a pm with a link to a QT. Vote: Swowl
Awaclus, is your flavor name Sharon Valerii (aka Boomer)?
I missed this... why did you think Awaclus would be Boomer here?
I actually think that Awaclus' flavor claim kind of adds up. I mean, I am assuming fake claims bc RMM exist, but I do not get why Boomer would be a fit.
*been a while since I have seen the show, please feel free to tell me I am being dumb if need be*
bc I have a pm that says I am town.
why are you so unwilling to give a reason?
I don't have a pm that says I am town, I have a pm with a link to a QT. Vote: Swowl
bc I have a pm that says I am town.
why are you so unwilling to give a reason?
I don't have a pm that says I am town, I have a pm with a link to a QT. Vote: Swowl
I guess this means Awaclus' reason wasn't that rock solid?
All hail the new VP!
MiX, have you had an opportunity to chat with ADK yet? Any better read on them?
MiX and ADK, what kind of collaboration are you looking for? MiX, do you still have the same model in mind as when you were vp and mathdude was prez?
MiX and ADK, what kind of collaboration are you looking for? MiX, do you still have the same model in mind as when you were vp and mathdude was prez?
No...it's not as fun.
I don't wanna talk about it today. You can ask more about this D2.
MiX and ADK, what kind of collaboration are you looking for? MiX, do you still have the same model in mind as when you were vp and mathdude was prez?
No...it's not as fun.
I don't wanna talk about it today. You can ask more about this D2.
how do you know you'll live?
For those not verse in the flavor, math's death hear mirrors an event in the series, where a character (different from the one that awaclus claimed) is revealed to be a cylon who was previously unaware that they were a cylon when their programming activates and they try to assassinate the president (math's character).
For those not verse in the flavor, math's death hear mirrors an event in the series, where a character (different from the one that awaclus claimed) is revealed to be a cylon who was previously unaware that they were a cylon when their programming activates and they try to assassinate the president (math's character).
One of us is mis-remembering here, because I think Boomer shot the Admiral, not the President.
Is it possible faust set up a storyline to parallel that assassination attempt, where a junior "sleeper" on the civilian side tries to take out the civilian leader, rather than having a lower-ranking military person shoot the military leader? Given that Billy was written out of the show and replaced by Tory, who actually did turn out to be a Cylon, it might not be so impossible for Billy to have been written as a sleeper agent for this game.
Either way, we could look at Mathdude's killing as some kind of pre-programmed event that cylon-Awaclus was destined to enact at some point even if he elects to remains human-aligned, or alternatively it might just be a weird side-effect of the particular game configuration faust rolled for this current game in the campaign, and that Awaclus obtained independent from his role.
PPE not nearly as many as I'd expected to show up in the meantime!
For those not verse in the flavor, math's death hear mirrors an event in the series, where a character (different from the one that awaclus claimed) is revealed to be a cylon who was previously unaware that they were a cylon when their programming activates and they try to assassinate the president (math's character).
One of us is mis-remembering here, because I think Boomer shot the Admiral, not the President.
Is it possible faust set up a storyline to parallel that assassination attempt, where a junior "sleeper" on the civilian side tries to take out the civilian leader, rather than having a lower-ranking military person shoot the military leader? Given that Billy was written out of the show and replaced by Tory, who actually did turn out to be a Cylon, it might not be so impossible for Billy to have been written as a sleeper agent for this game.
Either way, we could look at Mathdude's killing as some kind of pre-programmed event that cylon-Awaclus was destined to enact at some point even if he elects to remains human-aligned, or alternatively it might just be a weird side-effect of the particular game configuration faust rolled for this current game in the campaign, and that Awaclus obtained independent from his role.
PPE not nearly as many as I'd expected to show up in the meantime!
Interesting idea about it being written in as a sleeper mechanic.
The only reason I wanna say "no", is because of the terminology of the flip. Roslin has been incapacitated. Which, if I am understanding correctly, is like "Roslin is gone, their char arc is gone, this game and other games, they ain't coming back" type of thing.
Seems pretty like detrimental to have it all pre designed that way. The exception being if you are right about some time of roll that was made, or if it is actually like a one shot thing. The only thing that makes it "unbelievable" to me is the timeline in which it happened (day 1)... but if it was randomly to happen at "some point during the game" or if it is activated... then yeah I could see it being a thing.
Boomer shot Commander Adama, yes. (He was the highest ranking military officer in the show at the time, although this was briefly not the case when Admiral Cain showed up.)
Boomer shot Commander Adama, yes. (He was the highest ranking military officer in the show at the time, although this was briefly not the case when Admiral Cain showed up.)
It's been a long time since I've seen the show but man, I had such a clear memory that it was Rosalin that got shot. You're right that it was Adama though, which make me think it's much less likely that the event was pre-scripted
But we are wasting a lot of time talking about this to no purpose. Either we're exiling awaclus today or we're not, and if we're not, we need to exile someone else. I still like an EFHW exile, does anyone have a reason it's a bad idea?
For those not verse in the flavor, math's death hear mirrors an event in the series, where a character (different from the one that awaclus claimed) is revealed to be a cylon who was previously unaware that they were a cylon when their programming activates and they try to assassinate the president (math's character).
One of us is mis-remembering here, because I think Boomer shot the Admiral, not the President.
Is it possible faust set up a storyline to parallel that assassination attempt, where a junior "sleeper" on the civilian side tries to take out the civilian leader, rather than having a lower-ranking military person shoot the military leader? Given that Billy was written out of the show and replaced by Tory, who actually did turn out to be a Cylon, it might not be so impossible for Billy to have been written as a sleeper agent for this game.
Either way, we could look at Mathdude's killing as some kind of pre-programmed event that cylon-Awaclus was destined to enact at some point even if he elects to remains human-aligned, or alternatively it might just be a weird side-effect of the particular game configuration faust rolled for this current game in the campaign, and that Awaclus obtained independent from his role.
PPE not nearly as many as I'd expected to show up in the meantime!
Interesting idea about it being written in as a sleeper mechanic.
The only reason I wanna say "no", is because of the terminology of the flip. Roslin has been incapacitated. Which, if I am understanding correctly, is like "Roslin is gone, their char arc is gone, this game and other games, they ain't coming back" type of thing.
Seems pretty like detrimental to have it all pre designed that way. The exception being if you are right about some time of roll that was made, or if it is actually like a one shot thing. The only thing that makes it "unbelievable" to me is the timeline in which it happened (day 1)... but if it was randomly to happen at "some point during the game" or if it is activated... then yeah I could see it being a thing.
No idea who's on which side, here.
Vote: SpaceAnemone just to add variety to the mix of votes.
Eeeeeeh thinking about it more, no, I townread EFHW more than average.
Vote: Dylan
I'm off now. Don't expect to hear good "why not EFHW" reasons, I'm tired. I have a post with my EFHW townread sometime ago.
Eeeeeeh thinking about it more, no, I townread EFHW more than average.
Vote: Dylan
I'm off now. Don't expect to hear good "why not EFHW" reasons, I'm tired. I have a post with my EFHW townread sometime ago.
OK... can we get a why Dylan?
Also how are you and ADK possibly on different people
I think that I’d rather no exile than risk another green team member.
Eeeeeeh thinking about it more, no, I townread EFHW more than average.
Vote: Dylan
I'm off now. Don't expect to hear good "why not EFHW" reasons, I'm tired. I have a post with my EFHW townread sometime ago.
OK... can we get a why Dylan?
Also how are you and ADK possibly on different people
Just because I think someone's town doesn't mean I 100% agree with their reads. But I am willing to switch to dylan to get an exile through
No idea who's on which side, here.
Vote: SpaceAnemone just to add variety to the mix of votes.
Eeeeeeh thinking about it more, no, I townread EFHW more than average.
Vote: Dylan
I'm off now. Don't expect to hear good "why not EFHW" reasons, I'm tired. I have a post with my EFHW townread sometime ago.
OK... can we get a why Dylan?
Also how are you and ADK possibly on different people
Eeeeeeh thinking about it more, no, I townread EFHW more than average.
Vote: Dylan
I'm off now. Don't expect to hear good "why not EFHW" reasons, I'm tired. I have a post with my EFHW townread sometime ago.
OK... can we get a why Dylan?
Also how are you and ADK possibly on different people
Just because I think someone's town doesn't mean I 100% agree with their reads. But I am willing to switch to dylan to get an exile through
fair enough.
Gonna ask this question to everyone until I get an answer.... why would you be ok with switching to Dylan? Just to ensure a flip or do you actually find something skummy?
I think that I’d rather no exile than risk another green team member.
I mean I know I don't want to be on someone that ends up flipping town, but we need to lynch someone right?
Why is Dylan your ok to vote person?
Aright, at least I got a reason from someone.
So it is said - I disagree. I would take Town!Dylan in Lylo over anyone playing this game.
I think that I’d rather no exile than risk another green team member.
I mean I know I don't want to be on someone that ends up flipping town, but we need to lynch someone right?
Why is Dylan your ok to vote person?
Why do we have to exile someone? It’s RMM, so all the spicy stuff happens at night. If an exile doesn’t go through, it’s not the worst thing since we already had a green death today. I definitely don’t feel pressure to switch to EFHW, who I haven’t scumread yet.
I voted for Dylan originally because he was my next scummy feeling person and there weren’t reasons to take him off my list like there were for Jack or ADK. I’m not trying to get anyone to join me. I don’t have a strong case or rock solid reasons. But he feels scummier to me than any other person with votes so far, and I don’t feel pressure to consolidate.
Aright, at least I got a reason from someone.
So it is said - I disagree. I would take Town!Dylan in Lylo over anyone playing this game.
So what's your answer to uoir question but for EFHW: why [are you voting for EFHW?] Just to ensure a flip or do you actually find something skummy?
@ lalight - who would you vote right now if you could?
I keep going back to Awaclus's claim of his options and something doesn't feel right:
Is allegedly given a choice of human aligned or cylon aligned. If we assume a balanced game, then whichever side pick should then have an advantage. So this is good for him either way. Which doesn't seem necessarily right since why should he get an advantage of getting onto a favorable team?
If he picks human aligned, mathdude is spared (or at least he's lead to believe that could happen). So that's a plus for picking human side, increases the advantage. But that also balanced by if he picks cylon side, mathdude is incapacitated, so that increases that side.
So feels like it should be a 50-50 decision. But conveniently, if he picks cylon side, it's 2 fewer points if he wins. So he can easily claim town side. And then, somehow, mathdude is still incapacitated, anyway.
I'm sticking with my vote.
Aright, at least I got a reason from someone.
So it is said - I disagree. I would take Town!Dylan in Lylo over anyone playing this game.
No idea who's on which side, here.
Vote: SpaceAnemone just to add variety to the mix of votes.
I will take this as a massive compliment. Thanks.
Unvote
50 minutes to DL
Unvote
50 minutes to DL
Vote: Swowl
Curfew
For any action a player takes the following Night, they will take one fewer vote to exile on the Day after.
Mandate testing
Pick another player. The next Cylon test available will be performed on that player, if they are still alive by that time.
right-o
this might come unexpected to you, but
I can not vote nor be voted
vote: WestCoastDidds
right-o
this might come unexpected to you, but
I can not vote nor be voted
vote: WestCoastDidds
Gasp
So I presume the turning point of D2 was the Cylon testing machine? It even added an order card.
What do we do now?
right-o
this might come unexpected to you, but
I can not vote nor be voted
vote: WestCoastDidds
Gasp
So I presume the turning point of D2 was the Cylon testing machine? It even added an order card.
What do we do now?
right-o
this might come unexpected to you, but
I can not vote nor be voted
vote: WestCoastDidds
Gasp
So I presume the turning point of D2 was the Cylon testing machine? It even added an order card.
What do we do now?
Does anyone benefit from knowing whether they're a cylon?
I want to use it. Could preemptively do it now, but asking instead.
Oh and FYI I'm hated todayI want to use it. Could preemptively do it now, but asking instead.
I don't have any issue with you using it
The new test might help scum, if their powers work selectively on cylons or humans.
Also, I know this is like way late into however long this current return to f.ds mafia has been for me, but Swowl used to be someone else, right?
I have zero recollection of who that might be. Zero. None.
Oh and FYI I'm hated todayI want to use it. Could preemptively do it now, but asking instead.
I don't have any issue with you using it
Exactly Hated x1? I suppose if it were more, you’d specify.
Question about mandate testing-what is the timing of the test?
Question about mandate testing-what is the timing of the test?
I think the mandate would only come into play if it shuffled up and the president selected it
Do we have an order for today?
Do we have an order for today?
When faust gets here. I put in Isolate Colonial One, the others seem anti-town, and this one is pro-me, and I'm town.
Do we have an order for today?
When faust gets here. I put in Isolate Colonial One, the others seem anti-town, and this one is pro-me, and I'm town.
What were your choices? Did you discuss with ADK? (since you admonished mathdude for not discussing with you)
Do we have an order for today?
When faust gets here. I put in Isolate Colonial One, the others seem anti-town, and this one is pro-me, and I'm town.
What were your choices? Did you discuss with ADK? (since you admonished mathdude for not discussing with you)
Yes. My choices are not useful for town to know (frankly not scum either), and I would've chosen it regardless of the cards I drew.
That was really my way of getting a read on math. ADK is very experienced so I don't need to do that. Besides, I share everything about the presidency with them and I do follow what I told math myself.
Do we have an order for today?
When faust gets here. I put in Isolate Colonial One, the others seem anti-town, and this one is pro-me, and I'm town.
What were your choices? Did you discuss with ADK? (since you admonished mathdude for not discussing with you)
Yes. My choices are not useful for town to know (frankly not scum either), and I would've chosen it regardless of the cards I drew.
That was really my way of getting a read on math. ADK is very experienced so I don't need to do that. Besides, I share everything about the presidency with them and I do follow what I told math myself.
Of course it would be useful for town to know. It may still be worth not disclosing because of scum, but I can't imagine a scenario were it would not be at least minimally useful.
What does ADK being very experienced have to do with anything? It'd about not just making decision unilaterally. (trust me, we had 4 years of that).
Question about mandate testing-what is the timing of the test?
I think the mandate would only come into play if it shuffled up and the president selected it
MiX, it is useful for town to know, because you might be scum.
What does ADK being very experienced have to do with anything? It'd about not just making decision unilaterally. (trust me, we had 4 years of that).
Question about mandate testing-what is the timing of the test?
I think the mandate would only come into play if it shuffled up and the president selected it
I know, so would it go into play right then?
Surprised no one has remarked yet on no one being incapacitated overnight. I forget who said it, but I guess we kind of are back to a D1 situation (yay.)
I will be unavailable most of the (real life) day today, so here are some quick thoughts.
I also am Hated x 1 (should we all report whether we are or not? or wait until we get further voted)
I'm ok with ash getting tested. Since it can be inaccurate, not sure how useful it really is anyway. I assume it's >50%, but it makes a big difference if it's 55 or 95.
I read the mandate as the next text, so if it gets declared before someone is tested, then it would be that day; if it's after, the next day.
Vote:Lalight (just to confirm what he claimed; I have no current reason to believe he is scum)
Isolate Colonial One
Any action targeting the President tonight will fail.
Just checking in.. I haven't had time to go through this game in much more detail yet.
I'm fine with Ash doing the test if he's keen to volunteer. It would be useful to understand a bit more about how reliable its results are.
For town-confirmed players, of whom we only have one, playername, flavorname, and alignment were all green.
In my QT, only one was green. The rest were the neutral bold black, which is standard mod formatting for “unknown” data points.
ashersky is a Cylon.
Welp, if I’m secretly Cylon-aligned as I suspect, I’m not helping my faction out. Although it could just be much bigger than a normal mafia.
My flavor is Galen Tyrol. While in the show Galen is a military member, highest ranking NCO on board by the end of the show, in the game I am Civilian, which makes zero flavor sense but must make some sort of mechanics sense.
I have two powers, one which I will not explain but can be easily explained after I am dead. The other is a basic recharger — target someone and give them a shot of a power they already have. Fairly useless, but I guess fits with the mechanic flavor character.
If I am a Cylon, which is different than alignment, we still absolutely must exile me.
It is unlikely that “Town-aligned Mafia” exists. Even if being a member of the mafia is separate from being mafia-aligned, it is just very hard to reconcile.
I did notice a HUGE difference though that I think supports the possibility that I’m not actually human-aligned.
For town-confirmed players, of whom we only have one, playername, flavorname, and alignment were all green.
In my QT, only one was green. The rest were the neutral bold black, which is standard mod formatting for “unknown” data points.
Man, I’m an idiot for not noticing that in the first place...
Reflecting back on the “results could be wrong” portion of the examination thing, a greater than 50% chance of a lie seems too close to BM for faust’s style. I feel like we can safely assume 50/50 as worse case. Like, a 90% chance of a lie seems like a super yucky mechanic.
For town-confirmed players, of whom we only have one, playername, flavorname, and alignment were all green.Note that this is in violation of rule 1.1 (aka the "no quoting" rule). As a result, today only, ashersky will take one vote fewer to exile than he would have otherwise.
In my QT, only one was green. The rest were the neutral bold black, which is standard mod formatting for “unknown” data points.
For town-confirmed players, of whom we only have one, playername, flavorname, and alignment were all green.Note that this is in violation of rule 1.1 (aka the "no quoting" rule). As a result, today only, ashersky will take one vote fewer to exile than he would have otherwise.
In my QT, only one was green. The rest were the neutral bold black, which is standard mod formatting for “unknown” data points.
For town-confirmed players, of whom we only have one, playername, flavorname, and alignment were all green.
In my QT, only one was green. The rest were the neutral bold black, which is standard mod formatting for “unknown” data points.
That's how it is in my QT, too. I don't think it means anything.
Yes. I decided that the person who instigated the discussion bears most of the blame, so only ashersky gets in-game consequences.For town-confirmed players, of whom we only have one, playername, flavorname, and alignment were all green.Note that this is in violation of rule 1.1 (aka the "no quoting" rule). As a result, today only, ashersky will take one vote fewer to exile than he would have otherwise.
In my QT, only one was green. The rest were the neutral bold black, which is standard mod formatting for “unknown” data points.
Then, did I also violate the rule here?For town-confirmed players, of whom we only have one, playername, flavorname, and alignment were all green.
In my QT, only one was green. The rest were the neutral bold black, which is standard mod formatting for “unknown” data points.
That's how it is in my QT, too. I don't think it means anything.
I seriously doubt ash is secretly scum aligned but was told he is was town. If that turns out to be true then honestly, I probably won't play in the remaining games
I'm much more inclined to mix's view that scum might have the ability to turn cylon players. That sounds like a one-shot ability to me, though, so I don't know that exiling ash is a must
I literally avoided writing any of the words in my QT at all.
Although, I’m fairly certain I see a pretty easy loophole to ensure my own exile if I need it.
I literally avoided writing any of the words in my QT at all.
Although, I’m fairly certain I see a pretty easy loophole to ensure my own exile if I need it.
Please don't exile yourself ash.
@mix: my character is specifically given a military rank (on the wiki) and seems to get promoted by the end. I haven’t watched the show, but sounds specifically military.
I literally avoided writing any of the words in my QT at all.
Although, I’m fairly certain I see a pretty easy loophole to ensure my own exile if I need it.
Please don't exile yourself ash.
Well, technically it’d be a modkill. I don’t plan to; I plan to convince all town players to vote for me.
i need to have a town-aligned Cylon alive in the end of the game. anti-vote: ash
i need to have a town-aligned Cylon alive in the end of the game. anti-vote: ash
@mix: my character is specifically given a military rank (on the wiki) and seems to get promoted by the end. I haven’t watched the show, but sounds specifically military.
Do they start the show with a military rank?I literally avoided writing any of the words in my QT at all.
Although, I’m fairly certain I see a pretty easy loophole to ensure my own exile if I need it.
Please don't exile yourself ash.
Well, technically it’d be a modkill. I don’t plan to; I plan to convince all town players to vote for me.
You don't need to do that. Just trust the rest of town.i need to have a town-aligned Cylon alive in the end of the game. anti-vote: ash
What is that. Is that vote mechanical?
Google images shows my character in a military uniform as well. Unless everyone wears those?
i need to have a town-aligned Cylon alive in the end of the game. anti-vote: ash
Google images shows my character in a military uniform as well. Unless everyone wears those?
That might be after the promotion.
PPE: Okay, cool.i need to have a town-aligned Cylon alive in the end of the game. anti-vote: ash
Are you town?
ash, flavor doesn't matter in case of who is and isn't a cylon, or that would've been too easy. you read human-aligned in qt? you're human aligned. test showed you're cylon? you're probably one.
that happened, let's exile scum now. WCD or MiX, pick one
ash, give me some kind of confirmation you're reading me.
there is a reason why i haven't read any flavor
ash, flavor doesn't matter in case of who is and isn't a cylon, or that would've been too easy. you read human-aligned in qt? you're human aligned. test showed you're cylon? you're probably one.
that happened, let's exile scum now. WCD or MiX, pick one
I agree in the sense that just because a flavor character is/isn’t a Cylon on the show, they have to/can’t be here. My point is that cylons are bad, regardless of who the flavor character is. If this was HP mafia and Harry Potter was a Cylon, he’d be the evil version of Harry.
there is a reason why i haven't read any flavor
Too busy?
I might be a secret Cylon-aligned player. Solution: exile me.
I might be a Cylon that can be recruited/turned by Mafia, thereby presenting them with numbers and powers. Solution: exile me.
I might be a Human with a erroneous result. No impact on my alignment for anyone else. Solution: maybe ignore it, unless you don't town read me anyway.
I might be a Cylon that is human-aligned. Least likely, to me, but including all options. Solution: ignore it.
I raise it D1 and see what info folks can offer. Nothing of use, unfortunately. I'm still confused. Then Awaclus has this whole thing where he confirms alignment changes are a thing in this game. Yes, he could just be lying mafia, but I don't read him that way, and if he is, he's doing very well at it.
I raise it D1 and see what info folks can offer. Nothing of use, unfortunately. I'm still confused. Then Awaclus has this whole thing where he confirms alignment changes are a thing in this game. Yes, he could just be lying mafia, but I don't read him that way, and if he is, he's doing very well at it.
What I have confirmed is that I was explicitly told of a voluntary choice to change my alignment. I have not confirmed that we have a lying mod and involuntary alignment changes, and because this is not a bastard game, it seems fairly safe to assume we have neither of those.
Can the game contain involuntary alignment changes?Yes. No. No.
Can the game contain alignment changes where the player is not informed of their alignment changing?
Can the game contain mod-provided information that is false, without it being explicitly mentioned that it could be false?
Well, technically it’d be a modkill.
My flavor is Galen Tyrol.
Oh, also, my qt says human-aligned, but given Awaclus’s claim of alignment changes in the game, I don’t think we can trust that information.
(I realize that the mod-confirmed cylon result on myself could be a mod lie per the power explanation. Without knowing the odds of that, even if we assume only 50/50, that’s a 50% chance I am actually mafia, even if I don’t know it. That’s just way too high a percentage to ignore.)
I guess I’m also hopeful that being exiled will reveal whatever my true alignment is so I know who to cheer for in the speccy.
Can the game contain involuntary alignment changes?Yes. No. No.
Can the game contain alignment changes where the player is not informed of their alignment changing?
Can the game contain mod-provided information that is false, without it being explicitly mentioned that it could be false?
Fyi your character is (spoiler alert) a cylon in the show but in terms of their "allegiance" would definitely be called human-aligned (from what I remember)
that happened, let's exile scum now. WCD or MiX, pick one
He's one of the Final Five; his being a cylon is revealed at the end of Season 3.Fyi your character is (spoiler alert) a cylon in the show but in terms of their "allegiance" would definitely be called human-aligned (from what I remember)
wait, is this accurate? I don't remember him being a cylon.
Awaclus - Obv you fall into voluntary instead of non-voluntary bc you got the choice. But just confirming I have this correct... you did or did not do something to activate that decision?
Also, can you confirm that you specifically were informed pre-game that you could switch alignments?
Awaclus - Obv you fall into voluntary instead of non-voluntary bc you got the choice. But just confirming I have this correct... you did or did not do something to activate that decision?
Also, can you confirm that you specifically were informed pre-game that you could switch alignments?
I did not do anything to activate the decision, I only submitted a response to it. I was not informed pre-game that I could switch alignments, I was informed in the middle of day 1 after the thread was temporarily locked.
Also, I just realized that the mechanic that did my thing yesterday could match the description of "the game can contain involuntary alignment changes" because it actually had a 24-hour deadline for submitting a response, and it defaulted to having my alignment changed if I failed to submit one. I suppose in principle, if I had missed the deadline by accident, then the game would have contained an involuntary alignment change. In the light of that, I guess it was a pretty pointless question to ask faust, but at least the other questions served their purpose.
ash, did the wiki not say that your character was a cylon? We've been pretty clear from the start that cylon/human identity does not necessarily correspond to cylon/human alignment. The civilian/military thing is odd, but maybe faust deviated from canon for modding reasons. Or he made a mistake.
He's one of the Final Five; his being a cylon is revealed at the end of Season 3.Fyi your character is (spoiler alert) a cylon in the show but in terms of their "allegiance" would definitely be called human-aligned (from what I remember)
wait, is this accurate? I don't remember him being a cylon.
Cool, so that's settled then. Can we go back to playing the game now?
I assumed that having parents and being born and all that would preclude being a Cylon. Having not watched the show, I did not know that Cylons were born the same way humans were, with parents and what not. I thought they were like robots, manufactured and such.
Cool, so that's settled then. Can we go back to playing the game now?
Isn't it settled that I am right? Faust confirmed involuntary alignment changes can happen. I would take his answers to mean that I am definitely town-aligned for as long as that is the only information I have, but that I may not always be town-aligned, and I may have no control over that.
Was there a time you didn't believe Awaclus, Swowl? I felt like he was being forthcoming.
I am not sure how I feel about exiling Ashersky.
Cool, so that's settled then. Can we go back to playing the game now?
Isn't it settled that I am right? Faust confirmed involuntary alignment changes can happen. I would take his answers to mean that I am definitely town-aligned for as long as that is the only information I have, but that I may not always be town-aligned, and I may have no control over that.
I am still wary of Awaclus. Like I tried saying before, but was dismissed with a "you're just repeating what I said" I find it suspicious that his choosing scum would lead to two fewer points. I think the best lies are surrounded by truth so I could very well see a good player like Awaclus revealing everything truthfully, except adding this small tidbit as a reason why he chose town, only to secretly having chosen scum.
I think a lot of people are getting unnecessarily confused. And I don't actually think it's that confusing!
Background: In Battlestar Galactica, there are two species: humans and Cylons. Humans are just humans. Cylons come in two kinds: Hulking killer machines called Centurions (think Terminator) and the kind that looks like people. There are 12 types of the people kind: All of these Cylons look like one of the 12. Five of the 12 are the Final Five, they are like the creators of all Cylons and there's only one copy of each. The other 7 form the basis of Cylon society, all the Cylons look like one of the 7. Sometimes our heroes figure out someone is a Cylon when they run across the person more than once: If there's another copy of a person, they are one of the 7!
Okay, none of that is particularly important. The important thing is that in the show, many of the Cylons don't know they are Cylons. Some copies are deliberately mind-wiped and sent among the humans to cause problems. The Final Five were all mind-wiped by the guy who is Cylon Model #1, for revenge.
Also, not all Cylons are evil, or working to advance the goals of the Cylons. Many of them end up aligned with the humans!
Okay, let's talk about this game. Obviously, faust would not set it up so that the exact same characters are Cylons, or that the exact same characters are Cylon-aligned. If that were the case, we would just mass flavor claim, game over. So I assume that just because you are playing a character who was a Cylon on the show does not automatically mean you are a Cylon here. That's what I was thinking, at least. If this is not the case, then I assume the mafia have fake claims?
Ash's character, Galen, is a Cylon, but is not Cylon-aligned, in BSG.
• ash being a Cylon. I've only played with ash a few games but he seems like he's smart and willing to try crazy things. I don't put it past him to be scum, suspect he is a cylon, and so want to get the test for that reason. Either is shows him as human, we he can sell as town, or as Cylon and then he plays the exile me story, knowing we won't. I'm not saying I think this is the case, but I do think it should stay on everyone's radar.
Cool, so that's settled then. Can we go back to playing the game now?
Isn't it settled that I am right? Faust confirmed involuntary alignment changes can happen. I would take his answers to mean that I am definitely town-aligned for as long as that is the only information I have, but that I may not always be town-aligned, and I may have no control over that.
quote-ish "the game cannot contain alignment changes that you are unaware of". have you been told you are town? cool. You are town. If you are skum... change to skum... whatever... you will be informed. That is black and white from faust's answer.
I guess I just don't get your concern? you are Town as you say. and it is 100% clear you will be informed if that changes.
This is me agreeing with mix (weird but true). It is no different than anyone else. You just have the spotlight rn. If you are town with a chance that you can become skum... you play for town. if you don't, then either you have additional information or your primary objective is not to win.
I assumed that having parents and being born and all that would preclude being a Cylon. Having not watched the show, I did not know that Cylons were born the same way humans were, with parents and what not. I thought they were like robots, manufactured and such.
(Spoilers) The backstory is made up, and even Galen believes it's true. In the show, he doesn't know he's a cylon until later.
I don't think we should exile anyone with Galen as their character. That seems...irrational.
Now, as Awaclus said, we could start playing the game now. Does anyone know where to start? Cause I don't.Cool, so that's settled then. Can we go back to playing the game now?
Isn't it settled that I am right? Faust confirmed involuntary alignment changes can happen. I would take his answers to mean that I am definitely town-aligned for as long as that is the only information I have, but that I may not always be town-aligned, and I may have no control over that.
Isn't this true for everyone though? What makes you special?
Was there a time you didn't believe Awaclus, Swowl? I felt like he was being forthcoming.
I am not sure how I feel about exiling Ashersky.
I am puzzled about why LaLi needs to have a cylon alive to win, and its messing with my head.
I'll ask it another way:
For players who do are not convinced I am town, why wouldn't you exile a mafia read?
For players who do read me as town, why wouldn't you believe me or support me?
Why is it irrational to exile Galen specifically?
I am special because we have the Cylon result from the thing today. That is a data point we have on only me. It is unique to me. That makes me special. So yes, the general statement can be true for all players, but is much more likely true for me, given the additional information we have.
I mean, imagine a mafia power that says "target a player -- if they are a Cylon, they will share your alignment." Pretty straightforward, easy to implement, sensible, could balance a small faction starting size, etc.
They know I'm (probably) a Cylon. Take me out before that can happen, man.
Also, I do think Mix's choice of executive order was at least somewhat anti-town. Even if it is pro mix, again there are 72 hours to choose. A town move would've been to wait to see how the cylon detector worked out before choosing an order. (I guess this depends on what the other choices were of course, but if we assume the other D1 orders were discarded, there's a 75% chance the new order would've been one of the three.
Was there a time you didn't believe Awaclus, Swowl? I felt like he was being forthcoming.
I am not sure how I feel about exiling Ashersky.
I am puzzled about why LaLi needs to have a cylon alive to win, and its messing with my head.
Are you puzzled because of flavor stuff?
"Not sure" is close enough to "okay with it" to vote.
DatSwan is weirdly silent, I remember him being more vocal. I actually forgot he's in the game
Was there a time you didn't believe Awaclus, Swowl? I felt like he was being forthcoming.
I am not sure how I feel about exiling Ashersky.
I am puzzled about why LaLi needs to have a cylon alive to win, and its messing with my head.
Are you puzzled because of flavor stuff?
"Not sure" is close enough to "okay with it" to vote.
No, I don’t know much about the flavor beyond a couple of episodes. I’m puzzled that we are having a discussion of the threat of cyclone, regardless of alignment, and LaLight says that he needs a cylon alive. Does he need that for his bonus points? Is he a cylon trigger-er? Is it third party? I can’t yet puzzle out a way that it is town.
Yes, I’m okay with voting for you, if that seems like the best option. But it would obviously be better if we could find mafia.
The testing machine had to have been added for a reason and the public nature of the test results have to do something. Who benefits from knowing cylon status?
I am still wary of Awaclus. Like I tried saying before, but was dismissed with a "you're just repeating what I said" I find it suspicious that his choosing scum would lead to two fewer points. I think the best lies are surrounded by truth so I could very well see a good player like Awaclus revealing everything truthfully, except adding this small tidbit as a reason why he chose town, only to secretly having chosen scum.
It would lead to three fewer points. The difference between 5 points and 2 points is not 2.
• ash being a Cylon. I've only played with ash a few games but he seems like he's smart and willing to try crazy things. I don't put it past him to be scum, suspect he is a cylon, and so want to get the test for that reason. Either is shows him as human, we he can sell as town, or as Cylon and then he plays the exile me story, knowing we won't. I'm not saying I think this is the case, but I do think it should stay on everyone's radar.
This is a good point to raise. I think I see it coming most often from my mafia partners, not from town.
Also, after reading more wiki pages, it appears my reaction to finding out I was a Cylon was a pretty good approximation of the actual character arc on the show. Fear, disbelief, suicidal tendencies, etc. I guess I could have planned all of that as well.
I think scola is a good exile option after me, regardless of my flip.
I'll ask it another way:
For players who do are not convinced I am town, why wouldn't you exile a mafia read?
For players who do read me as town, why wouldn't you believe me or support me?
You are cherry picking options here. You've considered these options:
1) You're scum and playing like an idiot, so it would be in town's best interests to go with your plan and exile you
2) You're town and know what you're doing, so it would be in town's best interests to go with your plan and exile you
You've excluded these options:
3) You're scum and know what you're doing, so it would hurt town to go with your plan and exile you
4) You're town and playing like an idiot, so it would hurt town to go with your plan and exile you
Why is it irrational to exile Galen specifically?
I am special because we have the Cylon result from the thing today. That is a data point we have on only me. It is unique to me. That makes me special. So yes, the general statement can be true for all players, but is much more likely true for me, given the additional information we have.
I mean, imagine a mafia power that says "target a player -- if they are a Cylon, they will share your alignment." Pretty straightforward, easy to implement, sensible, could balance a small faction starting size, etc.
They know I'm (probably) a Cylon. Take me out before that can happen, man.
Because exiling based on flavor name does not catch scum. And I'm townreading you.
The cylon testing machine is arbitrary: we should honestly ignore it for today. It's meaningless unless someone has a way to make it certain. Playing probabilities with faust is not the way to go here.
That power is a bit bastard, don't you think? Although I can't really rule it out from the realm of possibilities...
They know nothing, because the testing machine is arbitrary. Will they pick you with that hypothetical ability? Maybe. Will it work? Who knows.
Vote: scola, I don't know...does anyone know if Dylan is in VLA? They haven't talked today.
I think I am more likely to believe ash is town at this point.
While true, I don't see either 3 or 4 being as likely, so I wouldn't call it cherry picking, so much as reducing to the more likely options.
Cool, so that's settled then. Can we go back to playing the game now?
Isn't it settled that I am right? Faust confirmed involuntary alignment changes can happen. I would take his answers to mean that I am definitely town-aligned for as long as that is the only information I have, but that I may not always be town-aligned, and I may have no control over that.
quote-ish "the game cannot contain alignment changes that you are unaware of". have you been told you are town? cool. You are town. If you are skum... change to skum... whatever... you will be informed. That is black and white from faust's answer.
I guess I just don't get your concern? you are Town as you say. and it is 100% clear you will be informed if that changes.
This is me agreeing with mix (weird but true). It is no different than anyone else. You just have the spotlight rn. If you are town with a chance that you can become skum... you play for town. if you don't, then either you have additional information or your primary objective is not to win.
I agree with you that I am town right now (assuming faust hasn't told me I am now mafia). My prior worry about being mafia without knowing it may not have been clear. If I am "trigger-able" for lack of a better word, then I am actually a threat to town, not an asset. If mafia can flip my alignment, against my will no less, you can't leave me around to affect the numbers. An exiled town is 1 million percent better than an additional mafia. Right?
Random numbers: 10 players, 3 mafia, 7 town. You are given a choice: Tomorrow, there are 3 mafia and 6 town OR there are 4 mafia and 6 town.
These are literally the only choices to consider here when it comes to exiling a player who can be flipped.
Hence my argument that removing players from the game that we know are highly likely to be a threat to town even though they may be town-aligned is important. Besides, you only have my word to go on that I'm town-aligned.
Unless you think I'm a Jester, or there's a Jester mechanic for overall arcs, I don't understand why no one supports me. Run it through from town!ash and non-town!ash perspectives. There are no scenarios where I'm doing this to hurt town.
DatSwan is weirdly silent, I remember him being more vocal. I actually forgot he's in the game
oh, sorry a lot, Swowl
It's a flavour thing. Helo, the character, is (a) fully human-aligned throughout the entirety of the BSG series, and (b) in a long-term, loving relationship with Athena, a model 8 Cylon.Was there a time you didn't believe Awaclus, Swowl? I felt like he was being forthcoming.
I am not sure how I feel about exiling Ashersky.
I am puzzled about why LaLi needs to have a cylon alive to win, and its messing with my head.
Are you puzzled because of flavor stuff?
"Not sure" is close enough to "okay with it" to vote.
No, I don’t know much about the flavor beyond a couple of episodes. I’m puzzled that we are having a discussion of the threat of cyclone, regardless of alignment, and LaLight says that he needs a cylon alive. Does he need that for his bonus points? Is he a cylon trigger-er? Is it third party? I can’t yet puzzle out a way that it is town.
While true, I don't see either 3 or 4 being as likely, so I wouldn't call it cherry picking, so much as reducing to the more likely options.
Why is scum more likely to play like an idiot than town?
While true, I don't see either 3 or 4 being as likely, so I wouldn't call it cherry picking, so much as reducing to the more likely options.
Why is scum more likely to play like an idiot than town?
Because scum needs to deceive to win which leads to more risky behavior; town can just play it safe, generally. At least on early days.
Voting me here with no explanation? (or is the fact that I'm suspicious of you and your executive order process (not necessarily the final choice) enough to cast a vote against me?)
You ask a lot of questions, but don't answer when people ask you. Why is that?
Because scum needs to deceive to win which leads to more risky behavior; town can just play it safe, generally. At least on early days.
if you're purported switching to scum would have still been worth the same # of points, would you have switched?
Overall, I felt like my chances of winning the game were probably about the same or maybe a bit better if I chose to remain town
Crap, didn't realize I hadn't said anything. I'm following along, but with this many people as I'm reading and catching up, every time I have a thought it seems like someone else had already said the thing before I got here, so I'm just having a hard time contributing in general.
In all the games I've played with Awaclus, this might be the first time I've read their posts and just thought they were town. Their usual playstyle (keeping stuff very close to the vest, low info shared) just has always made them hard to read, so this is weird.
I think Ash is probably telling the truth and doing what he thinks is best for town. I disagree with him that exiling him now would be best for town.
Would whoever it was (Swowl maybe?) that referenced scola's last scum game and playstyle drop the game that they were pulling that from? Or scola, just which game were you scum in? I might not have a ton of original thoughts, but I could go read that game to see if that was a fair comparison between the two games and look for other things that might point to scum!scola.
Lets exile someone.
Crap, didn't realize I hadn't said anything. I'm following along, but with this many people as I'm reading and catching up, every time I have a thought it seems like someone else had already said the thing before I got here, so I'm just having a hard time contributing in general.
In all the games I've played with Awaclus, this might be the first time I've read their posts and just thought they were town. Their usual playstyle (keeping stuff very close to the vest, low info shared) just has always made them hard to read, so this is weird.
I think Ash is probably telling the truth and doing what he thinks is best for town. I disagree with him that exiling him now would be best for town.
Would whoever it was (Swowl maybe?) that referenced scola's last scum game and playstyle drop the game that they were pulling that from? Or scola, just which game were you scum in? I might not have a ton of original thoughts, but I could go read that game to see if that was a fair comparison between the two games and look for other things that might point to scum!scola.
Dropped (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20431.0).
Who do you think is scum? What do you think about the cylon testing machine result?
Wait, I totally forgot scola was the scum that clinched the deal in the Space Gambit game... yeah, THAT's the game I wanted to have to relive...
Still here! Apologies for being probably-proddable by now.
Did anyone who's commenting on Ash's situation already point out that there's a whole continuum (ish) of other incentives that aren't as "bastard" as a jester role, but that are mediated by the legacy game points? Like, maybe Ash can have extra points if he arranges a mixile of himself at some point, or something like that. I think there must be a way to phrase it that doesn't actually amount to playing against his faction. I'm not sure how such a game mechanic would fit with being the Chief, but I also think it's not outside the realms of possibility that faust could concoct something that way.
Voting me here with no explanation? (or is the fact that I'm suspicious of you and your executive order process (not necessarily the final choice) enough to cast a vote against me?)
If my executive order process leads to the correct conclusion 100% of the time, then it is no different than your so called ideal view of the executive order process.
I'm voting you because I think you're scum: last time you were coasting and generally pushing bad ideas and things that hurt town to think and talk about, and I think you're doing the same thing here.
You ask a lot of questions, but don't answer when people ask you. Why is that?
I'm against revealing information that could help scum (including why I'm voting for them). I don't ask such questions and don't like to answer them either. Other types of questions are fine.
. Assuming the game is balanced, there is no reason for town or scum to take or avoid risks on early days.Because scum needs to deceive to win which leads to more risky behavior; town can just play it safe, generally. At least on early days.
Whoever is winning can play it safe and whoever is losing needs to take risks (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=2711.0)
if you're purported switching to scum would have still been worth the same # of points, would you have switched?Overall, I felt like my chances of winning the game were probably about the same or maybe a bit better if I chose to remain town
Crap, didn't realize I hadn't said anything. I'm following along, but with this many people as I'm reading and catching up, every time I have a thought it seems like someone else had already said the thing before I got here, so I'm just having a hard time contributing in general.
In all the games I've played with Awaclus, this might be the first time I've read their posts and just thought they were town. Their usual playstyle (keeping stuff very close to the vest, low info shared) just has always made them hard to read, so this is weird.
I think Ash is probably telling the truth and doing what he thinks is best for town. I disagree with him that exiling him now would be best for town.
Would whoever it was (Swowl maybe?) that referenced scola's last scum game and playstyle drop the game that they were pulling that from? Or scola, just which game were you scum in? I might not have a ton of original thoughts, but I could go read that game to see if that was a fair comparison between the two games and look for other things that might point to scum!scola.
* I just don't see how given two choices that would be relatively equal, one would be penalized so much - making a difficult choice a virtual no brainer. Add to that that mathude was in fact not spared, something is wrong there. Maybe I'm on the wrong path, do you really believe it was all wrapped on in a nice little bow like that?
Still here! Apologies for being probably-proddable by now.
Did anyone who's commenting on Ash's situation already point out that there's a whole continuum (ish) of other incentives that aren't as "bastard" as a jester role, but that are mediated by the legacy game points? Like, maybe Ash can have extra points if he arranges a mixile of himself at some point, or something like that. I think there must be a way to phrase it that doesn't actually amount to playing against his faction. I'm not sure how such a game mechanic would fit with being the Chief, but I also think it's not outside the realms of possibility that faust could concoct something that way.
If ash got points for doing this, I think he would've said that. Wouldn't that make us more likely to exile him? But I don't think we should talk about our character arcs...that doesn't seem to help town, and it kinda pits us against each other.
Still here! Apologies for being probably-proddable by now.
Did anyone who's commenting on Ash's situation already point out that there's a whole continuum (ish) of other incentives that aren't as "bastard" as a jester role, but that are mediated by the legacy game points? Like, maybe Ash can have extra points if he arranges a mixile of himself at some point, or something like that. I think there must be a way to phrase it that doesn't actually amount to playing against his faction. I'm not sure how such a game mechanic would fit with being the Chief, but I also think it's not outside the realms of possibility that faust could concoct something that way.
Lets exile someone.
Still here! Apologies for being probably-proddable by now.
Did anyone who's commenting on Ash's situation already point out that there's a whole continuum (ish) of other incentives that aren't as "bastard" as a jester role, but that are mediated by the legacy game points? Like, maybe Ash can have extra points if he arranges a mixile of himself at some point, or something like that. I think there must be a way to phrase it that doesn't actually amount to playing against his faction. I'm not sure how such a game mechanic would fit with being the Chief, but I also think it's not outside the realms of possibility that faust could concoct something that way.
I like this line of thinking (again, as a game designer), but it is hard to implement. If I'm town and I actively work for a mis-exile for my own personal gain (as opposed to helping town, which is what I'm doing), there needs to be a corresponding benefit to town.
Now, could that corresponding benefit be "removes a Cylon from the game who could become mafia on Day 3" or something? Yes! Is that the case here? Dunno. I do not have information that supports any specific theories on how or when I will become mafia.
So, I am working for my own mis-exile solely for the benefit of town, which has a corresponding benefit for me (a win, and the points that come with that).
Cool, so that's settled then. Can we go back to playing the game now?
Isn't it settled that I am right? Faust confirmed involuntary alignment changes can happen. I would take his answers to mean that I am definitely town-aligned for as long as that is the only information I have, but that I may not always be town-aligned, and I may have no control over that.
quote-ish "the game cannot contain alignment changes that you are unaware of". have you been told you are town? cool. You are town. If you are skum... change to skum... whatever... you will be informed. That is black and white from faust's answer.
I guess I just don't get your concern? you are Town as you say. and it is 100% clear you will be informed if that changes.
This is me agreeing with mix (weird but true). It is no different than anyone else. You just have the spotlight rn. If you are town with a chance that you can become skum... you play for town. if you don't, then either you have additional information or your primary objective is not to win.
I agree with you that I am town right now (assuming faust hasn't told me I am now mafia). My prior worry about being mafia without knowing it may not have been clear. If I am "trigger-able" for lack of a better word, then I am actually a threat to town, not an asset. If mafia can flip my alignment, against my will no less, you can't leave me around to affect the numbers. An exiled town is 1 million percent better than an additional mafia. Right?
Random numbers: 10 players, 3 mafia, 7 town. You are given a choice: Tomorrow, there are 3 mafia and 6 town OR there are 4 mafia and 6 town.
These are literally the only choices to consider here when it comes to exiling a player who can be flipped.
Hence my argument that removing players from the game that we know are highly likely to be a threat to town even though they may be town-aligned is important. Besides, you only have my word to go on that I'm town-aligned.
Unless you think I'm a Jester, or there's a Jester mechanic for overall arcs, I don't understand why no one supports me. Run it through from town!ash and non-town!ash perspectives. There are no scenarios where I'm doing this to hurt town.
1. lol on timing was gonna actually bring up Jester concept last night, but fairly certain that is a BM role
2. OK I agree with your logic. Except for the fact that you are leaving out the 3rd option, which is the option to pick 100% of the time as Town... or at least attempt to pick
Option 3 - 10 players, 7 town 3 mafia alive you are given a choice... tomorrow it is 6-3 or 6-4 by your logic.... false... we lynch skum today and it changes everything.
Just a fancy way of saying that while I think you have a point, it is not good enough for me to vote someone that is most likely town rather than attempt to exile skum.
Still here! Apologies for being probably-proddable by now.
Did anyone who's commenting on Ash's situation already point out that there's a whole continuum (ish) of other incentives that aren't as "bastard" as a jester role, but that are mediated by the legacy game points? Like, maybe Ash can have extra points if he arranges a mixile of himself at some point, or something like that. I think there must be a way to phrase it that doesn't actually amount to playing against his faction. I'm not sure how such a game mechanic would fit with being the Chief, but I also think it's not outside the realms of possibility that faust could concoct something that way.
I like this line of thinking (again, as a game designer), but it is hard to implement. If I'm town and I actively work for a mis-exile for my own personal gain (as opposed to helping town, which is what I'm doing), there needs to be a corresponding benefit to town.
Now, could that corresponding benefit be "removes a Cylon from the game who could become mafia on Day 3" or something? Yes! Is that the case here? Dunno. I do not have information that supports any specific theories on how or when I will become mafia.
So, I am working for my own mis-exile solely for the benefit of town, which has a corresponding benefit for me (a win, and the points that come with that).
But why does it help town to exile town? I'm really not seeing this.
* I just don't see how given two choices that would be relatively equal, one would be penalized so much - making a difficult choice a virtual no brainer. Add to that that mathude was in fact not spared, something is wrong there. Maybe I'm on the wrong path, do you really believe it was all wrapped on in a nice little bow like that?
On this specific comment -- as a long-time mod and game designer, I understand your point there. I think of it as "if I am going to introduce a decision into the game, if one option is always going to be chosen, does it even need to be a decision?" If you had a role power that said "choose one: target a player and learn their alignment OR target a player and if they have the ability to NK, it will be disabled" then that seems like an interesting decision. Maybe cop is favored, but there are ways to use the other one too. But if the choices are cop or fruit vendor, the fruit vendor option is just so much harder to make useful that, unless you are building mechanics around fruit, it's not a decision worth building into the game.
So, if voluntary alignment switches are present, as Awaclus has claimed happened to him, the player needs to have incentives to do both that are fairly equal, or at least offer good reasons, to make the decision mean something.
* I just don't see how given two choices that would be relatively equal, one would be penalized so much - making a difficult choice a virtual no brainer. Add to that that mathude was in fact not spared, something is wrong there. Maybe I'm on the wrong path, do you really believe it was all wrapped on in a nice little bow like that?
On this specific comment -- as a long-time mod and game designer, I understand your point there. I think of it as "if I am going to introduce a decision into the game, if one option is always going to be chosen, does it even need to be a decision?" If you had a role power that said "choose one: target a player and learn their alignment OR target a player and if they have the ability to NK, it will be disabled" then that seems like an interesting decision. Maybe cop is favored, but there are ways to use the other one too. But if the choices are cop or fruit vendor, the fruit vendor option is just so much harder to make useful that, unless you are building mechanics around fruit, it's not a decision worth building into the game.
So, if voluntary alignment switches are present, as Awaclus has claimed happened to him, the player needs to have incentives to do both that are fairly equal, or at least offer good reasons, to make the decision mean something.
Thanks.
Would you agree that, as presented by Awaclus, the options seemed mismatched? Or am I the only one?
Also, thoughts on my theory that if there are starting two town Cylons, then there's a decent chance that circumstances will have one or the other become scum?
My examples there were specifically if the game state didn't change via exile. I guess we can expand on the 10 alive, 7v3 scenario:
--mis-exile normal town, NK, conversion: 4 v 4 the next day, game over
--no exile, NK, conversion: 5 v 4 the next day
--mis-exile normal town, NK, no conversion: 5 v 3 the next day
--mis-exile convertible town, NK: 5 v 3 the day day
--exile mafia, NK, conversion: 5 v 3 the next day
--no exile, NK, no conversion: 6 v 3 the next day
--exile mafia, NK, no conversion: 6 v 2 the next day
So, these options cover all probably outcomes, then, in order of worst to best case. So, then, your options?
1) Take action to ensure the worst case scenario cannot happen, or
2) Take action to try to have the best case scenario happen
I would point out that there are three options with the same net result in my scenario. Mis-exiling me gives the same result as a correct exile and ensure a worse outcome doesn't happen.
I clearly think town Cylons can/will become mafia. I'm trying to exile one.
OK, I'm ready to jump aboard the:
Vote: ash
wagon. I'm also ready to switch to Awaclus, based on everything I've said, but mostly want to avoid getting too late in the day and the crickets like we had D1. We don't haver the advantage of a Curfew to scare scum away from a NK. (assuming that it was that, and they weren't just blocked or stopped).
faust said arc goals would be consistent with wincon. So shouldn't Awaclus have been offered a new goal if he chose scum?
Also, sid Awaclus need to say anything? I'll have to check later.
I clearly think town Cylons can/will become mafia. I'm trying to exile one.
Awaclus is more likely to be a Cylon than you. Who are you voting?
I clearly think town Cylons can/will become mafia. I'm trying to exile one.
Awaclus is more likely to be a Cylon than you. Who are you voting?
Why is Awaclus more likely to be Cylon? He didn't claim anything Cylon, right?
I have an actual result, imperfect as it may be.
I'll disagree with this. I think anyone trying to be deceptive (which scum has to) has to worry more about creating a cohesive story, and that entails more risk.
I think this gets to my point - if the choice were balanced enough, then why does the "lesser" option offer fewer points, and so many at that? I could imagine 4 instead of 5, or that staying as town would lose points. Also because I think the game design would be more interesting that way. You'd have to sell why you chose the option that gave you fewer points. If the the choice were truly as you say, it's an easy sell, as witnessed by the fact that I seem to be the only one suspicious of this.
OK, I'm ready to jump aboard the:
Vote: ash
wagon. I'm also ready to switch to Awaclus, based on everything I've said, but mostly want to avoid getting too late in the day and the crickets like we had D1. We don't haver the advantage of a Curfew to scare scum away from a NK. (assuming that it was that, and they weren't just blocked or stopped).
please give me a reason either of those people are skum. no sarcasm. everyone is talking, me included, about why they are not skum. why do you think they are?
I'll disagree with this. I think anyone trying to be deceptive (which scum has to) has to worry more about creating a cohesive story, and that entails more risk.
No it doesn't. You can create a cohesive story by posting as little as possible. The less you write, the fewer chances you have to make mistakes. It is not even remotely necessary for scum to do what ash is doing here just in hopes of getting some reverse-psychology towncred and ash is not stupid enough to think it is.
I think this gets to my point - if the choice were balanced enough, then why does the "lesser" option offer fewer points, and so many at that? I could imagine 4 instead of 5, or that staying as town would lose points. Also because I think the game design would be more interesting that way. You'd have to sell why you chose the option that gave you fewer points. If the the choice were truly as you say, it's an easy sell, as witnessed by the fact that I seem to be the only one suspicious of this.
I don't know, but here are some possible explanations:
- my arc is a lot easier to complete as scum, it's possible as town and not guaranteed as scum but it's a huge difference, so maybe it's there to compensate for that
- maybe the event was not scripted to happen on D1 but e.g. a day power did something that triggered it, in which case the design of the mechanic was not tailored for the situation in which it happened, making this discussion completely pointless
- maybe the purpose of the legacy points is not to measure your in-game performance by giving you more points for things that are more difficult, but something else (e.g. flavor related), in which case this discussion is also completely pointless
- perhaps faust misjudged how balanced the choice would be
- perhaps I misjudged how balanced it was
vote: scola
we should not exile ash
Doesn't this agree with my point, though? that scum/idiot is unlikely enough here that it it's worth devaluing as an option?
You've excluded these options:
3) You're scum and know what you're doing
I don't see either 3 or 4 being as likely
Your first point, are you saying this is true? Or just that's it's possible? I'm assuming the latter. But if that's the case, it'd be clearly an argument in favor of choosing scum that you chose not to reveal. Which fits in with my theory of hiding lies within a greater truth.
Doesn't this agree with my point, though? that scum/idiot is unlikely enough here that it it's worth devaluing as an option?
That's not your point, that's my point:You've excluded these options:
3) You're scum and know what you're doing
Your point is:I don't see either 3 or 4 being as likely
I am not following this well at all.
They know I'm (probably) a Cylon. Take me out before that can happen, man.
Seems wrong to vote for scola when he's generating so much content.
Vote: ADK
vote: scola
we should not exile ash
So because we should not brig ash, we should brig me? Why not the other person who voted ash?? (that's a joke, of course)
Are you ok with not brigging someone? Because we're spinning wheels in the same way we were yesterday so I do think we need to brig someone. I've explained why I voted ash. Is that you're only reason for voting me? Do you disagree with any of my logic about keeping Cylons around is risky?
I do plan on going back at some point and rereading space, based on Mix's vote. I also want to reread WCD as her posts feel more mechanical that the usual WCD.
Seems wrong to vote for scola when he's generating so much content.
Vote: ADK
The content that he's generating is so useless though
I'd rather try to exile someone who's cylon-aligbed than just blindly exiling people because they're cylons
Seems wrong to vote for scola when he's generating so much content.
Vote: ADK
The content that he's generating is so useless though
Useless, really?
But make a good scum case against anyone. Le't s find scum!
Yes, really.Useless, really?Seems wrong to vote for scola when he's generating so much content.The content that he's generating is so useless though
Vote: ADKBut make a good scum case against anyone. Le't s find scum!We already have one against you.
If Pasta is posting useless content, then so is everyone. The only people that have created content that can be considered "useful" thus far have been due to game mechanics. Which is completely NAI.
mix - are you still town on ADK?
Seems wrong to vote for scola when he's generating so much content.
Vote: ADK
The content that he's generating is so useless though
Useless, really? I'm trying to figure out who's scum. (or as this game seems to have this mechanic - the ability to become scum).I'd rather try to exile someone who's cylon-aligbed than just blindly exiling people because they're cylons
Me too. We all do (or at least we'll claim to). The flip side is I'd rather not brig someone who's a human-aligned human (since I don't think could ever change sides). And right now no one seems to have any read on anyone else being scum.
So if we exile me or some other unknown, we'll just brig town. Seems to me brigging a Cylon is a better bet than that.
But make a good scum case against anyone. Le't s find scum!
mix - are you still town on ADK?
Yes.Seems wrong to vote for scola when he's generating so much content.
Vote: ADK
The content that he's generating is so useless though
Useless, really? I'm trying to figure out who's scum. (or as this game seems to have this mechanic - the ability to become scum).I'd rather try to exile someone who's cylon-aligbed than just blindly exiling people because they're cylons
Me too. We all do (or at least we'll claim to). The flip side is I'd rather not brig someone who's a human-aligned human (since I don't think could ever change sides). And right now no one seems to have any read on anyone else being scum.
So if we exile me or some other unknown, we'll just brig town. Seems to me brigging a Cylon is a better bet than that.
But make a good scum case against anyone. Le't s find scum!
Just because you have not been trying to catch current cylon-aligned players doesn't mean no one has.
Want to vote Pasta?
They know I'm (probably) a Cylon. Take me out before that can happen, man.
You're assuming that while you're alive, you might suddenly switch from being human-aligned to being cylon-aligned, right? Have you checked to see whether your wincon (or legacy points allocation for this game, at least) can change after the point at which you're brigged?
I'm not saying I think that's a super-likely mechanism for faust to be using, but it does feel odd that you're quite focused on being brigged to prevent yourself from turning, when pushing to be brigged as a human-aligned player seems anti-town in every other possible way, and yet since this game persists after brigging, there must be some chance that some events after a player's brigging might be able to affect their wincon, points allocation or character story overall.
Yes, really.Useless, really?Seems wrong to vote for scola when he's generating so much content.The content that he's generating is so useless though
Vote: ADKBut make a good scum case against anyone. Le't s find scum!We already have one against you.
If Pasta is posting useless content, then so is everyone. The only people that have created content that can be considered "useful" thus far have been due to game mechanics. Which is completely NAI.
Seems wrong to vote for scola when he's generating so much content.
Vote: ADK
The content that he's generating is so useless though
Useless, really?
Yes, really.But make a good scum case against anyone. Le't s find scum!
We already have one against you.
If Pasta is posting useless content, then so is everyone. The only people that have created content that can be considered "useful" thus far have been due to game mechanics. Which is completely NAI.
That's not true, a lot of people are doing or at least trying to do something useful.
Just because you have not been trying to catch current cylon-aligned players doesn't mean no one has.
pasta's case for exiling ash is purely mechanical, though, which is why it's kind of scummy. None of it is based on whether or not ash is scum, it's based on the idea that ash *could* become scum at later date, maybe. I'm not interested in exiling people based on their hypothetical future conversions, and ash's behavior here screams that he's town right now
ash makes a case that getting exiled right now serves his personal wincon because it locks him in as town. Fine, why should the rest of town care? Our wincon requires us to exile scum, which you're not
Scola is scummy for pushing ash but he is at least putting a lot of effort into the game. Robz is kind of scummy for not putting in effort but I know he hates all the mechanics talk so eh. My scumread on EFHW persists from yesterday but I'd have to go back and read her stuff from today before I put my vote there
Just because you have not been trying to catch current cylon-aligned players doesn't mean no one has.
Why do you say I'm not trying to catch current scum? Of course I am. Maybe my style is different than yours, but that doesn't mean you can mischaracterize what I'm trying to do.
And right now no one seems to have any read on anyone else being scum.
I'm not surprised you'd be on this "useless" trope - as one of my main contributions is making the case against you. With reasons, unlike this supposed case you've made against me, since you don't like to disclose your reasoning. which of course is your prerogative, but at the same time is a convenient way to obfuscate a flimsy case.
Like? I will admit it is a little frustrating that somehow my discussion of mechanics is "useless" while others discussion of mechanics is "useful".
I think this last one here gets to the guts of it. It seems that Im being seen as scummy (by a few) because I'm focused on mechanics and trying to solve the game, rather than reading others and evaluating meta. What is being missed here is that I'm relatively new here - I still don't have a clear idea of anyone's meta, not that I'd necessarily be good at reading it if I could. So I focus on what I hope am good at, mechanics / "solving the game". That's where I can provide value. If it comes off as a little scummy so be it.
I actually think, however ironic as it seems, that being a little scummy makes someone more likely to be town. Actual scum has to try to be very careful with everything they do, and come of completely as town. Hence was all the lurkers keep getting more and more suspicious. Meanwhile town is just trying to solve the game and will post whatever they can to try to help that.
scum needs to deceive to win which leads to more risky behavior; town can just play it safe, generally.
And if I'm wrong about Awaclus, then it's either MiX or ADK taking advantage of the one actual wagon that is being built by misguided town.
So you know what, I'll switch my vote to where my conviction is and see if it garners any support.
And if I'm wrong about Awaclus, then it's either MiX or ADK taking advantage of the one actual wagon that is being built by misguided town.
So you know what, I'll switch my vote to where my conviction is and see if it garners any support.
And of course as we both know, you are wrong about Awaclus, so this is a great time to start downplaying your responsibility in my potential exile as well as setting up the next misexiles.
He actually might not know. Unless you know he knows?
Does Scola dig in like this if he is scum??
Does Scola dig in like this if he is scum??
Dig in like what?
Just because you have not been trying to catch current cylon-aligned players doesn't mean no one has.
Why do you say I'm not trying to catch current scum? Of course I am. Maybe my style is different than yours, but that doesn't mean you can mischaracterize what I'm trying to do.And right now no one seems to have any read on anyone else being scum.
You said that.
Vote: Awaclus
I'm not surprised you'd be on this "useless" trope - as one of my main contributions is making the case against you. With reasons, unlike this supposed case you've made against me, since you don't like to disclose your reasoning. which of course is your prerogative, but at the same time is a convenient way to obfuscate a flimsy case.
I have reasons. Really good reasons, actually. Why is the case on you flimsy?
Like? I will admit it is a little frustrating that somehow my discussion of mechanics is "useless" while others discussion of mechanics is "useful".
It should be obvious that what ash is doing is a waste of time. Others have been trying to move on, you have been making it harder.
I think this last one here gets to the guts of it. It seems that Im being seen as scummy (by a few) because I'm focused on mechanics and trying to solve the game, rather than reading others and evaluating meta. What is being missed here is that I'm relatively new here - I still don't have a clear idea of anyone's meta, not that I'd necessarily be good at reading it if I could. So I focus on what I hope am good at, mechanics / "solving the game". That's where I can provide value. If it comes off as a little scummy so be it.
Why do you think it is seen as scummy?I actually think, however ironic as it seems, that being a little scummy makes someone more likely to be town. Actual scum has to try to be very careful with everything they do, and come of completely as town. Hence was all the lurkers keep getting more and more suspicious. Meanwhile town is just trying to solve the game and will post whatever they can to try to help that.
For comparison, here's what you said back when you were not the leading wagon:scum needs to deceive to win which leads to more risky behavior; town can just play it safe, generally.
Does Scola dig in like this if he is scum??
Dig in like what?
This extended back and forth with you
I'm not surprised you'd be on this "useless" trope - as one of my main contributions is making the case against you. With reasons, unlike this supposed case you've made against me, since you don't like to disclose your reasoning. which of course is your prerogative, but at the same time is a convenient way to obfuscate a flimsy case.
I have reasons. Really good reasons, actually. Why is the case on you flimsy?
Flimsy, A short play by scolapasta:
Detective: You're guilty. I have solid evidence.
Suspect: I'm innocent - what's your evidence so I can exonerate myself?
Detective: I won't tell you. But tell me why this evidence I won't tell you is flimsy.
Lieutenant: Sorry, Mr. Innocent, You're free to go.
[FIN]
Does Scola dig in like this if he is scum??
Dig in like what?
This extended back and forth with you
I do think the back and forth is anti-town. So I'm willing to shift my focus to finding other possible scum. My vote is in and I've provided the reasons for it, in case anyone else wants to join me.
(I do hope y'all enjoyed my little play :) )
Actually, one more question for Awaclus here: are you Hated this day?
If you identified Awaclus as scum due to it, isn't this back and forth very pro-town?
Does Scola dig in like this if he is scum??
Dig in like what?
This extended back and forth with you
I do think the back and forth is anti-town. So I'm willing to shift my focus to finding other possible scum. My vote is in and I've provided the reasons for it, in case anyone else wants to join me.
(I do hope y'all enjoyed my little play :) )
Actually, one more question for Awaclus here: are you Hated this day?
I’m surprised we haven’t heard more from Swowl or EFHW. I also wonder when we might get a better sense of Jack.
I know that I haven’t been super active, but still...
I’m surprised we haven’t heard more from Swowl or EFHW. I also wonder when we might get a better sense of Jack.Sorry, circumstances in another game have me not wanting to get confused and needing to dedicate my time there. It's temporary.
I know that I haven’t been super active, but still...
If Pasta is posting useless content, then so is everyone. The only people that have created content that can be considered "useful" thus far have been due to game mechanics. Which is completely NAI.
That's not true, a lot of people are doing or at least trying to do something useful.
Flimsy, A short play by scolapasta:
Detective: You're guilty. I have solid evidence.
Suspect: I'm innocent - what's your evidence so I can exonerate myself?
Detective: I won't tell you. But tell me why this evidence I won't tell you is flimsy.
Lieutenant: Sorry, Mr. Innocent, You're free to go.
[FIN]
I didn't think it was a waste of time. You seem to have decided that ash is town but playing poorly. I have only played with ash once maybe (?), but he was a good and wily player. So I'm giving him benefit of the doubt that he's not playing poorly. Still not 100% sure on his idea, but it definitely seemed worth considering and not just blowing off.
OK, I do see how you can take these and read them the way you're reading them. I blame it on my quick posting, so let me be try to be clearer.
Scum has to be deceptive to win. Therefore they can't just tell the truth about everything ("hey! look at me, I'm scum") so when they post they have to parse carefully in order to keep a consistent story. This is risky as the more they say, the more they can be caught in an inconsistency. The alternative is to just post less. Put less out there and there is less to catch you on.
Town doesn't have to be so careful. They should generally be telling the truth about everything, so can just post freely without having to double and triple check things. That's what I meant by being able to play it safe. Of course town shouldn't post everything they know, but that's different from having to check their consistency.
I just voted them, so obviously grain of salt on this one, but it still isn't true. gimme an example of content created today that is not about game mechanics.
- you did the thing with math
- math mix prez
- ash cylon result
- game set up talk.
what else has happened that I missed?
]I just voted them, so obviously grain of salt on this one, but it still isn't true. gimme an example of content created today that is not about game mechanics.
- you did the thing with math
- math mix prez
- ash cylon result
- game set up talk.
what else has happened that I missed?
Well, as soon as ashersky started to spam the thread with his nonsense, a lot of people tried to explain to him why we should be doing something useful instead, which was useful.
I just voted them, so obviously grain of salt on this one, but it still isn't true. gimme an example of content created today that is not about game mechanics.
- you did the thing with math
- math mix prez
- ash cylon result
- game set up talk.
what else has happened that I missed?
what were those things that they talked about?
I remember people saying "let's not do this". I do not remember anyone coming up with any alternatives.
Well, as soon as ashersky started to spam the thread with his nonsense, a lot of people tried to explain to him why we should be doing something useful instead, which was useful.
I just voted them, so obviously grain of salt on this one, but it still isn't true. gimme an example of content created today that is not about game mechanics.
- you did the thing with math
- math mix prez
- ash cylon result
- game set up talk.
what else has happened that I missed?
Well, as soon as ashersky started to spam the thread with his nonsense, a lot of people tried to explain to him why we should be doing something useful instead, which was useful.
well idk how you define it... but that is the definition of stuff being talked about based of game mechanics for me. or just lazy, your call. but it is not content that is not referencing game mechanics... that is for sure.
do you think I am skum?
what were those things that they talked about?
I remember people saying "let's not do this". I do not remember anyone coming up with any alternatives.
so do you not care, or is it skummy?well idk how you define it... but that is the definition of stuff being talked about based of game mechanics for me. or just lazy, your call. but it is not content that is not referencing game mechanics... that is for sure.I don't really care if something is based on game mechanics, if it achieves (or tries to achieve) something useful. There's even a time for exiling based on game mechanics, but that time is not now and trying to do it anyway is super scummy.
do you think I am skum?that did not answer the question.
*Awaclus* - I am not currently voting for you.
so do you not care, or is it skummy?
that did not answer the question.
3. why does mix voting for a bunch of people matter?
4. why does adk voting for a bunch of people matter?
3/4a - like specifically why do their votes matter more than others to note?
Although its been a couple of days, there hasn't actually been much discussion beyond those points. Ash has lept us focused on the various alignment questions and I can't figure out why those are important, but then again, I am not confused so maybe I'm just not getting it. I don't like voting until I am am feeling more confident, but if you made me vote right now, it would be for Ash.
I find mathdude’s response to MiX entirely in line with how others of us have responded to MiX in the past. He IS controlling and bossy, so that read is dead on. Aggravating MiX is a badge of honor. It’s super towny of math to respond this way, I think.
vote: Jack Rudd I had him and ADK on my scummiest list earlier and ADK has slipped a bit into the next-scummiest area as of late leaving Jack at the top of my list alone.
I will move to my next scummiest person as my just in case I don't get back to this tomorrow evening placeholder.
vote: ADK
ADK doesn't normally lay so low. One of the hallmarks of ADK play is early RVS and then pressure for everyone else to vote, followed by a bunch of questions. None of that has happened in this game. Additionally, I was late to realizing this game has started. When I finished my initial (late) read, ADK was my top scumread because they were in favor of keeping LLs role information secret, whereas Space was in favor of sharing flavor information that about half the people had and half did not. I agreed with Space on that so found ADK a bit scummy and then they have haven't done much to change that.
That said, I have a TERRIBLE record of misexiling ADK so I am not taking my sense too seriously because of how often that sense has led me astray. But that is where I am right now.
I think ADK generally likes to have as little revealed as possible. This was a unique scenario because it was separating out flavor knowledge, not game knowledge. I believe ADK when they said that they did not intend to taunt anyone, though.
This is what moved ADK down from my most scummy category and led me to vote for Jack yesterday.
Oh, I hate when this happens. My most scummy tier is Jack, ADK, and Robz but I am not certain enough about any of them to risk losing them this early. The next most scummy tier is mostly just folks who I haven't interacted with this game so not so much scummy as null, but not towny, and MiX who I am wary of but I don't find him out of the ordinary. The remainder of that tier is swowl, efhw, dylan, lalight, and ash. I have mathdude, scolapasta, awaclus, and space in my towniest tier.
The Robz and MiX wagons seem to me to be based on nothing. We've agreed that Jack is a bad idea. ADK isn't getting any traction, and I fully admit my inability to read them correctly.
Swowl and MiX are each voting for someone in my towniest tier, so there is that. The remainder of my next-scummiest tier (efhw, ash, and dylan) are pretty much a toss up.
vote: Dylan because there isn't anything there to even evaluate
PPE: Mix's list
Oh no! Mathdude can't catch a freaking break.
Awaclus is reading even more town than he was before. It sounds like there was a chance his choice could have saved math, but it didn't work out. Bummer.
As much as I LOVE a qt, I do not want to be the VP. ADK is not a bad choice.
All hail the new VP!
MiX, have you had an opportunity to chat with ADK yet? Any better read on them?
I'm not sure how much we can trust your weak reason to trust pasta.
I'm not sure how much we can trust your weak reason to trust pasta.
I would say as much as you can trust the Cylon machine :)
what do you think about the WCD case?
I just voted them, so obviously grain of salt on this one, but it still isn't true. gimme an example of content created today that is not about game mechanics.
- you did the thing with math
- math mix prez
- ash cylon result
- game set up talk.
what else has happened that I missed?
Well, as soon as ashersky started to spam the thread with his nonsense, a lot of people tried to explain to him why we should be doing something useful instead, which was useful.
nvm it is a good point I don't want it missed
what were those things that they talked about?
I remember people saying "let's not do this". I do not remember anyone coming up with any alternatives.
I’m surprised we haven’t heard more from Swowl or EFHW. I also wonder when we might get a better sense of Jack.
I know that I haven’t been super active, but still...
Why swowl and EFHW in particular?
ok, I'll try to make this case, but note that it's based more on feelings than anything.
Here's one of the instances where I feel like WCD is uneasy about posting. I know it's quite normal, but practically all the post I read seem a bit "forced to say anything useful" and lack lightheartedness I expect from WCD.Although its been a couple of days, there hasn't actually been much discussion beyond those points. Ash has lept us focused on the various alignment questions and I can't figure out why those are important, but then again, I am not confused so maybe I'm just not getting it. I don't like voting until I am am feeling more confident, but if you made me vote right now, it would be for Ash.I find mathdude’s response to MiX entirely in line with how others of us have responded to MiX in the past. He IS controlling and bossy, so that read is dead on. Aggravating MiX is a badge of honor. It’s super towny of math to respond this way, I think.
And here starts the ADK paradox. Try to find out if WCD scumreads ADK or not. Also I must say, a LOT of her posts are about ADK, which may or may not be indicative of something.
vote: Jack Rudd I had him and ADK on my scummiest list earlier and ADK has slipped a bit into the next-scummiest area as of late leaving Jack at the top of my list alone.I will move to my next scummiest person as my just in case I don't get back to this tomorrow evening placeholder.
vote: ADK
Here's the backpedalingADK doesn't normally lay so low. One of the hallmarks of ADK play is early RVS and then pressure for everyone else to vote, followed by a bunch of questions. None of that has happened in this game. Additionally, I was late to realizing this game has started. When I finished my initial (late) read, ADK was my top scumread because they were in favor of keeping LLs role information secret, whereas Space was in favor of sharing flavor information that about half the people had and half did not. I agreed with Space on that so found ADK a bit scummy and then they have haven't done much to change that.
That said, I have a TERRIBLE record of misexiling ADK so I am not taking my sense too seriously because of how often that sense has led me astray. But that is where I am right now.
so are you suspecting them or not?
I think ADK generally likes to have as little revealed as possible. This was a unique scenario because it was separating out flavor knowledge, not game knowledge. I believe ADK when they said that they did not intend to taunt anyone, though.
Here's another point towards forced posting:This is what moved ADK down from my most scummy category and led me to vote for Jack yesterday.
Oh, I hate when this happens. My most scummy tier is Jack, ADK, and Robz but I am not certain enough about any of them to risk losing them this early. The next most scummy tier is mostly just folks who I haven't interacted with this game so not so much scummy as null, but not towny, and MiX who I am wary of but I don't find him out of the ordinary. The remainder of that tier is swowl, efhw, dylan, lalight, and ash. I have mathdude, scolapasta, awaclus, and space in my towniest tier.
The Robz and MiX wagons seem to me to be based on nothing. We've agreed that Jack is a bad idea. ADK isn't getting any traction, and I fully admit my inability to read them correctly.
Swowl and MiX are each voting for someone in my towniest tier, so there is that. The remainder of my next-scummiest tier (efhw, ash, and dylan) are pretty much a toss up.
vote: Dylan because there isn't anything there to even evaluate
PPE: Mix's list
The other post was the post countOh no! Mathdude can't catch a freaking break.
Awaclus is reading even more town than he was before. It sounds like there was a chance his choice could have saved math, but it didn't work out. Bummer.
As much as I LOVE a qt, I do not want to be the VP. ADK is not a bad choice.All hail the new VP!
MiX, have you had an opportunity to chat with ADK yet? Any better read on them?
That's pretty much it for D1 other than some fluff.
Also what seems suspicious to me, that despite me repeatedly saying I scumread WCD, she never responded to any of that, thinking maybe "if i ignore it maybe it'll go away". Don't exile scola, let's exile WCD with me
yeah, sorry, can't vote
<Didds case>
I'm not sure how much we can trust your weak reason to trust pasta.
I would say as much as you can trust the Cylon machine :)
I mean, well, ok. Me and pasta had a neighbourhood throughout the Night 1. There wasn't really anything that could point at them being town, but the general felling I got was that they are one.
I'm not sure how much we can trust your weak reason to trust pasta.
I would say as much as you can trust the Cylon machine :)
I mean, well, ok. Me and pasta had a neighbourhood throughout the Night 1. There wasn't really anything that could point at them being town, but the general felling I got was that they are one.
I'm not sure how much we can trust your weak reason to trust pasta.
I would say as much as you can trust the Cylon machine :)
I mean, well, ok. Me and pasta had a neighbourhood throughout the Night 1. There wasn't really anything that could point at them being town, but the general felling I got was that they are one.
Was the two of you getting a neighborhood the result of a desicion either of you made?
Oh, LaLi, just when I think we are making progress toward building trust.... Alas.
<Didds case>
Vote: LaLight
I'm not sure how much we can trust your weak reason to trust pasta.
I would say as much as you can trust the Cylon machine :)
I mean, well, ok. Me and pasta had a neighbourhood throughout the Night 1. There wasn't really anything that could point at them being town, but the general felling I got was that they are one.
It would make a lot of sense if one of you were scum!
PPE 1
MiX voted for a bunch of people, ADK and I voted for pasta, Robz voted for ADK (which was not a great vote but whatever), etc.
...and also there are more than a couple of folks in this game who do not enjoy my fluffy fluff. I really do try not to annoy anyone on purpose.
OK, I do see how you can take these and read them the way you're reading them. I blame it on my quick posting, so let me be try to be clearer.
Scum has to be deceptive to win. Therefore they can't just tell the truth about everything ("hey! look at me, I'm scum") so when they post they have to parse carefully in order to keep a consistent story. This is risky as the more they say, the more they can be caught in an inconsistency. The alternative is to just post less. Put less out there and there is less to catch you on.
Town doesn't have to be so careful. They should generally be telling the truth about everything, so can just post freely without having to double and triple check things. That's what I meant by being able to play it safe. Of course town shouldn't post everything they know, but that's different from having to check their consistency.
It's funny how the ideal strategy for scum and town just keeps changing depending on who you're trying to paint as the exile target.
No, because as said above none of us actually made that neighbourhood. I mean I didn't do it and scola claims they didn't, I am inclined to believe them, just because i got that feeling they were surprised as much as I was.
I was actually thinking someone made this neighbourhood for us so we both would suspect each other and that's why I don't want to suspect them. I know, WIFOM exists, but still.
How is Mix voting for a bunch of people useful? He does this every game and you usually can't sue that to get a good read on him as he will vote town and scum as both town and scum.
Just stating they keep changing doesn't actually mean they keep changing. Another case where you drop the line of suspicion out there without any justification. Hopefully others will read fully what I wrote and not just your conclusion.
Yeah, I'll agree that LL's confusion of the neighborhood seemed genuine enough to me that I also don't believe either one of us made it. I'm willing to reveal one more thing about the neighborhood - we know a Cylon created it. I didn't want to say it earlier, because I wasn't sure that LL wanted us to yet reveal we even had the neighborhood, but it's part of the reason I am more suspicious of the currently "known" Cylons.
Oh, LaLi, just when I think we are making progress toward building trust.... Alas.
Didds, I would like to say that in no way I was making this case because I have anything against you personally, you're a wonderful human being I am happy I know. Sometimes I can choose words poorly due to my somewhat poor knowledge of emotional background of some words - say, backpedaling as a word doesn't have any bad connotation tied to it, and I am sorry if something comes out even a little bit rude, this is not something I ever want to work towards.
This case is based on my feelings, and the most of it is that I usually never scumread you but in this case I have these vibes and I try to tie something of value to them. This is how I usually build cases.
...and also there are more than a couple of folks in this game who do not enjoy my fluffy fluff. I really do try not to annoy anyone on purpose.
I find it annoying when you don't post fluffy fluff. So there! :)
I did earlier mention WCD as someone who's post seemed more mechanical than usual. So LL, you're not the only one. I'll have to noodle over her explanation of it. Interesting that two people have now used a 2nd game for justifying there light posting (EFHW was the other one).
<Didds case>
Vote: LaLight
Sure, go ahead.I'm not sure how much we can trust your weak reason to trust pasta.
I would say as much as you can trust the Cylon machine :)
I mean, well, ok. Me and pasta had a neighbourhood throughout the Night 1. There wasn't really anything that could point at them being town, but the general felling I got was that they are one.
It would make a lot of sense if one of you were scum!
PPE 1
No, because as said above none of us actually made that neighbourhood. I mean I didn't do it and scola claims they didn't, I am inclined to believe them, just because i got that feeling they were surprised as much as I was.
I was actually thinking someone made this neighbourhood for us so we both would suspect each other and that's why I don't want to suspect them. I know, WIFOM exists, but still.
Honestly, the same thing is happening when I read what you write, but I'm trying to take a step back and question my assumptions.
Honestly, the same thing is happening when I read what you write, but I'm trying to take a step back and question my assumptions.
That's because you know I'm town, so you're already setting up room to say "well I didn't really have a very strong scum read on him anyway" after I get exiled and flip town, to avoid any responsibility.
Man, you're like a dog with a bone.
But, no, I've never actually said I had a very strong read on you. My vote is due to a somewhat scum read based on the convenience of lots you've posted, the fact that you're a likely Cylon and my theory that one of you or ash has or will turn on us, and the fact that my other reads on people have been mostly town.
But go ahead and keep twisting what I've posted somehow.
Why didn't you do any action last night?
I can verify that EFHW is similarly distracted. Dylan and Space, too. I have been trying not to call them out too much because I know we are all juggling a bit right now.
Work and game and game... the something that is suffering is my attention in this one. Plus there was a ton of set-up talk that is just not my jam.
Here's some fluffy fluff for you... I am making a chickpea curry right now and my house smells amazing. Y'all should all come over for dinner. Also, this the LAST WEEKEND that you will be able to get Cadbury mini eggs for a whole year. They are my favorite and I am wistful about the absence in advance.
If two players who don't have neighborhood-style powers end up in a neighborhood with each other and neither player owns up to making that happen, I think one of the is probably mafia.
Yes, very much this on the juggling front. And set-up talk is something I enjoy, so I've been able to dip in a bit there, but not a lot. Too much of the rest of the content seems just to be pairs of people disagreeing over pretty minor things that I haven't felt engaged enough with work out what I think.
If two players who don't have neighborhood-style powers end up in a neighborhood with each other and neither player owns up to making that happen, I think one of the is probably mafia.
Do you think that one of them is lying about not creating the neighborhood? What would be the purpose of that?
If two players who don't have neighborhood-style powers end up in a neighborhood with each other and neither player owns up to making that happen, I think one of the is probably mafia.
Do you think that one of them is lying about not creating the neighborhood? What would be the purpose of that?
To hide being mafia.
I'm thinking of the role where one mafia and one town are in a neighborhood and if the mafia dies, so does the town player. yuma and I used it in the Modern Community game. Can't recall the name right now.
If two players who don't have neighborhood-style powers end up in a neighborhood with each other and neither player owns up to making that happen, I think one of the is probably mafia.
Do you think that one of them is lying about not creating the neighborhood? What would be the purpose of that?
To hide being mafia.
I'm thinking of the role where one mafia and one town are in a neighborhood and if the mafia dies, so does the town player. yuma and I used it in the Modern Community game. Can't recall the name right now.
I don't think "can make a neighborhood with another player" is an ability that's more likely to be a scum role than a town role, and I wouldn't assume most other players would think that either. RMM offers so many opportunities to get caught in a lie that I can't imagine scum would lie about something like that for little to no benefit
I'm way, way behind and may not catch up before deadline... where should my vote be?
Awacluscolapasta
I'm way, way behind and may not catch up before deadline... where should my vote be?
Man, you're like a dog with a bone.
But, no, I've never actually said I had a very strong read on you. My vote is due to a somewhat scum read based on the convenience of lots you've posted, the fact that you're a likely Cylon and my theory that one of you or ash has or will turn on us, and the fact that my other reads on people have been mostly town.
But go ahead and keep twisting what I've posted somehow.
And I have never claimed that you have said so. On the contrary, from the get-go, you've been setting up the misexile with the least possible repercussions for yourself: first me, then ash, then me again, and at no point have you claimed to have all that much of a scum read on anyone. It's very convenient, you get to push misexiles through without having to go through the trouble of coming up with flaws in townies' town narratives, without having to bear the responsibility of having been wrong about someone's alignment — if ash had gotten exiled and flipped town when you were voting for him while claiming to town-read him at the same time, that would have been exactly the outcome that you were claiming to expect to begin with and you would have owed an explanation to nobody.
It didn't work with ash because nobody else was interested in it, so now you're trying to do the same with me again. I'm a bit worse than ash for you because you can't quite get away with claiming a town read on me while voting for me, but you're going impressively far with these absolute nonsense theories about Cylons to give yourself an excuse to vote while taking only the bare minimum of a stance on my actual playing.
Why didn't you do any action last night?
Awacluscolapasta
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Man, you're like a dog with a bone.
But, no, I've never actually said I had a very strong read on you. My vote is due to a somewhat scum read based on the convenience of lots you've posted, the fact that you're a likely Cylon and my theory that one of you or ash has or will turn on us, and the fact that my other reads on people have been mostly town.
But go ahead and keep twisting what I've posted somehow.
And I have never claimed that you have said so. On the contrary, from the get-go, you've been setting up the misexile with the least possible repercussions for yourself: first me, then ash, then me again, and at no point have you claimed to have all that much of a scum read on anyone. It's very convenient, you get to push misexiles through without having to go through the trouble of coming up with flaws in townies' town narratives, without having to bear the responsibility of having been wrong about someone's alignment — if ash had gotten exiled and flipped town when you were voting for him while claiming to town-read him at the same time, that would have been exactly the outcome that you were claiming to expect to begin with and you would have owed an explanation to nobody.
It didn't work with ash because nobody else was interested in it, so now you're trying to do the same with me again. I'm a bit worse than ash for you because you can't quite get away with claiming a town read on me while voting for me, but you're going impressively far with these absolute nonsense theories about Cylons to give yourself an excuse to vote while taking only the bare minimum of a stance on my actual playing.
This is clever - you may have never specifically claimed I said so (so I can't directly quote), but you've have strongly implied it with all your posts about my backpedaling my suspicions and setting up misexiles. Whereas you ignore the more obvious, of course I don't know for sure you're scum. To be fair, you're dogged accusation of me also give me pause, as I'm not sure how you'll sell that tomorrow, if you succeed in brigging me today. But when I weigh everything together, I still think you're more likely to have chosen scum than not (assuming you weren't just always scum).Quote from: AwaclusWhy didn't you do any action last night?
For good reasons that I'm sure you and your team would love to know.
No, just that since we didn't agree to any such plan, it feels like a missed opportunity to learn / do something. I mean you can't even use the strategy of letting people assume you learned something about me last night as part of your "SUPER STRONG NO WAY I CAN'T BE WRONG JUST TRUST ME EVEN THOUGH I'M A CYLON" case.
Awacluscolapasta
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Hey! Why do you get the "S"? It's "scolapasta", not "cola"+"pasta". Clearly stealing my S is the last piece of evidence I need to prove my case. :)
If two players who don't have neighborhood-style powers end up in a neighborhood with each other and neither player owns up to making that happen, I think one of the is probably mafia.
Do you think that one of them is lying about not creating the neighborhood? What would be the purpose of that?
To hide being mafia.
I'm thinking of the role where one mafia and one town are in a neighborhood and if the mafia dies, so does the town player. yuma and I used it in the Modern Community game. Can't recall the name right now.
I don't think "can make a neighborhood with another player" is an ability that's more likely to be a scum role than a town role, and I wouldn't assume most other players would think that either. RMM offers so many opportunities to get caught in a lie that I can't imagine scum would lie about something like that for little to no benefit
If town had such an ability, they would target themselves and claim to that person. Besides, why pick LL and scola? I think it's more likely that LL and scola are connected by flavor; or that someone that either does not have a choice or is not playing for town made the QT.
If two players who don't have neighborhood-style powers end up in a neighborhood with each other and neither player owns up to making that happen, I think one of the is probably mafia.
Do you think that one of them is lying about not creating the neighborhood? What would be the purpose of that?
To hide being mafia.
I'm thinking of the role where one mafia and one town are in a neighborhood and if the mafia dies, so does the town player. yuma and I used it in the Modern Community game. Can't recall the name right now.
I don't think "can make a neighborhood with another player" is an ability that's more likely to be a scum role than a town role, and I wouldn't assume most other players would think that either. RMM offers so many opportunities to get caught in a lie that I can't imagine scum would lie about something like that for little to no benefit
If town had such an ability, they would target themselves and claim to that person. Besides, why pick LL and scola? I think it's more likely that LL and scola are connected by flavor; or that someone that either does not have a choice or is not playing for town made the QT.
This is interesting, the flavor idea. I want to say more, but before I do, I'd like LaLight's approval. LL, is it OK if I post more about why we thought what we thought?
If two players who don't have neighborhood-style powers end up in a neighborhood with each other and neither player owns up to making that happen, I think one of the is probably mafia.
Do you think that one of them is lying about not creating the neighborhood? What would be the purpose of that?
To hide being mafia.
I'm thinking of the role where one mafia and one town are in a neighborhood and if the mafia dies, so does the town player. yuma and I used it in the Modern Community game. Can't recall the name right now.
I don't think "can make a neighborhood with another player" is an ability that's more likely to be a scum role than a town role, and I wouldn't assume most other players would think that either. RMM offers so many opportunities to get caught in a lie that I can't imagine scum would lie about something like that for little to no benefit
If town had such an ability, they would target themselves and claim to that person. Besides, why pick LL and scola? I think it's more likely that LL and scola are connected by flavor; or that someone that either does not have a choice or is not playing for town made the QT.
This is interesting, the flavor idea. I want to say more, but before I do, I'd like LaLight's approval. LL, is it OK if I post more about why we thought what we thought?
given that i talked about hood without consulting you, go ahead :)
This is clever - you may have never specifically claimed I said so (so I can't directly quote), but you've have strongly implied it with all your posts about my backpedaling my suspicions and setting up misexiles.
Whereas you ignore the more obvious, of course I don't know for sure you're scum.
No, just that since we didn't agree to any such plan, it feels like a missed opportunity to learn / do something. I mean you can't even use the strategy of letting people assume you learned something about me last night as part of your "SUPER STRONG NO WAY I CAN'T BE WRONG JUST TRUST ME EVEN THOUGH I'M A CYLON" case.
Wait wait wait, when did Awaclus become a cylon?
Basically, the reason we suspected it may have been scum who had given us the neighborhood, is because we know (well, LL claimed) that he was targeted by a Cylon, either on N0 or D1. And as MiX said, if this had been from town, why us?
Do either Ash or Awaclus want to claim responsibility?
Wait wait wait, when did Awaclus become a cylon?
I have not claimed to be a Cylon, and scola shouldn't know that unless he has some insider info from e.g. having activated the event on D1.
Pasta is scum, I don't think that's a pretty minor thing.
Basically, the reason we suspected it may have been scum who had given us the neighborhood, is because we know (well, LL claimed) that he was targeted by a Cylon, either on N0 or D1. And as MiX said, if this had been from town, why us?
Do either Ash or Awaclus want to claim responsibility?
I did not create that neighborhood.
Interesting. Notice the answer doesn't include "I'm not a Cylon" (as that part of the premise of the question), just a claim that he didn't create the neighborhood.
By default, players are unaware of their species.
Interesting. Notice the answer doesn't include "I'm not a Cylon" (as that part of the premise of the question), just a claim that he didn't create the neighborhood.
I don't think that's very interesting:By default, players are unaware of their species.
Interesting. Notice the answer doesn't include "I'm not a Cylon" (as that part of the premise of the question), just a claim that he didn't create the neighborhood.
I don't think that's very interesting:By default, players are unaware of their species.
Do you know if you're a Human or a Cylon?
If two players who don't have neighborhood-style powers end up in a neighborhood with each other and neither player owns up to making that happen, I think one of the is probably mafia.
Do you think that one of them is lying about not creating the neighborhood? What would be the purpose of that?
To hide being mafia.
I'm thinking of the role where one mafia and one town are in a neighborhood and if the mafia dies, so does the town player. yuma and I used it in the Modern Community game. Can't recall the name right now.
I don't think "can make a neighborhood with another player" is an ability that's more likely to be a scum role than a town role, and I wouldn't assume most other players would think that either. RMM offers so many opportunities to get caught in a lie that I can't imagine scum would lie about something like that for little to no benefit
If town had such an ability, they would target themselves and claim to that person. Besides, why pick LL and scola? I think it's more likely that LL and scola are connected by flavor; or that someone that either does not have a choice or is not playing for town made the QT.
If two players who don't have neighborhood-style powers end up in a neighborhood with each other and neither player owns up to making that happen, I think one of the is probably mafia.
Do you think that one of them is lying about not creating the neighborhood? What would be the purpose of that?
To hide being mafia.
I'm thinking of the role where one mafia and one town are in a neighborhood and if the mafia dies, so does the town player. yuma and I used it in the Modern Community game. Can't recall the name right now.
I don't think "can make a neighborhood with another player" is an ability that's more likely to be a scum role than a town role, and I wouldn't assume most other players would think that either. RMM offers so many opportunities to get caught in a lie that I can't imagine scum would lie about something like that for little to no benefit
If town had such an ability, they would target themselves and claim to that person. Besides, why pick LL and scola? I think it's more likely that LL and scola are connected by flavor; or that someone that either does not have a choice or is not playing for town made the QT.
Right, but what ash is positing is that one of ash or LL is scum, created the neighborhood, and then decided to lie about that fact
We can deduce from that they have no results on pasta.
we know (well, LL claimed) that he was targeted by a Cylon, either on N0 or D1.
We can deduce from that they have no results on pasta.
I'm not saying I have results on pasta, but we can't deduce that. Day actions are likely to exist in this game if we can trust LL's claim (or rather, scolapasta's description of it, but as much as he is scum, I don't think there's any reason for him to lie about this):we know (well, LL claimed) that he was targeted by a Cylon, either on N0 or D1.
We can deduce from that they have no results on pasta.
I'm not saying I have results on pasta, but we can't deduce that. Day actions are likely to exist in this game if we can trust LL's claim (or rather, scolapasta's description of it, but as much as he is scum, I don't think there's any reason for him to lie about this):we know (well, LL claimed) that he was targeted by a Cylon, either on N0 or D1.
so fat scola didn't claim anything wrong
Question - Pasta, why specifically Ash/Awaclus on the hood creation question?
wait your thread closed end of N1?
were you aware of it's timeline when it opened?
We can deduce from that they have no results on pasta.
I'm not saying I have results on pasta, but we can't deduce that.
so fat scola didn't claim anything wrong
Awaclus has started to sound more like the Awaclus I remember from older games, which is either a great thing for flushing out relatively inexperienced scum!scola or it's a really bad thing for town since it might set up a scola misexile based solely on Awaclus's ability to make town!scola look bad since scola has no idea how to deal with Awaclus. I say this because Awaclus has a particular way of throwing people off their game, which is good for town when he's town, and great for himself when he's scum. I remember getting tunneled by scum!Awaclus in one of my early games with him, and it was the most frustrating thing ever. I absolutely dug my own grave while trying to argue with him and got misexiled without gaining much support for myself at all.
Flavor folks, is there a reason for Helo to need to have a neighborhood?
what did you tell scola when you told them you were targeted by a cylon?
Is this an attempt to fake a breadcrumb?
I know my experience is minimal, but a "daycop" seems a weird role. I'm sure Awaclus will paint this as my being worried about being copped, but the reality is I'd love to be targeted by an actual cop to prove my innocence. I just feel like this is more of Awaclus trying to make it seems like he has something, when he doesn't.
Flavor folks, is there a reason for Helo to need to have a neighborhood?Well, he's stranded on Kobol with only Athena for company. That could be what it's modelling.
Flavor folks, is there a reason for Helo to need to have a neighborhood?Well, he's stranded on Kobol with only Athena for company. That could be what it's modelling.
Vote: Dylan because I can’t vote for Joth
Flavor folks, is there a reason for Helo to need to have a neighborhood?Well, he's stranded on Kobol with only Athena for company. That could be what it's modelling.
Huh, that could have been clever design, but I'm not Athena. (also, I think you mean Caprica, not Kobol)
So here's my alternative theory to why we got the N1 neighborhood together - I think LL won't mind that I post now since it only reveals something about him that we all suspected and I'd rather get this out there now since we have limited time.
My character is William Adama and LL is Helo. So it's possible that our neighborhood was because it represented Helo contacting his commander in order to arrange somehow regrouping with the Galactica.
I have no idea if this is more or less likely than we were targeted by a Cylon, but there it is.
Does your QT not have a flavor name?
At this point it feels like we're not getting an Awaclus brigging today, nor (at least I hope) a scolapasta brigging, as I would have expected by now at least 1 or 2* more votes on either if it were to happen? Is there anyone else to even consider?
* 2 more votes on me puts me at X-1 due to Hated, whereas Awaclus still needs 4 more for X-1
I know the other game just wound up, so hopefully those folks will begin to post more, though I also feel scum may have used that as an shield to lurk. (i.e. at least a nonzero # of those in the other game have to have been legit town and trying to balance both games or else we'd have 5+ scum this game!
I know the other game just wound up, so hopefully those folks will begin to post more, though I also feel scum may have used that as an shield to lurk. (i.e. at least a nonzero # of those in the other game have to have been legit town and trying to balance both games or else we'd have 5+ scum this game!
At this point it feels like we're not getting an Awaclus brigging today, nor (at least I hope) a scolapasta brigging, as I would have expected by now at least 1 or 2* more votes on either if it were to happen? Is there anyone else to even consider?
* 2 more votes on me puts me at X-1 due to Hated, whereas Awaclus still needs 4 more for X-1
I know the other game just wound up, so hopefully those folks will begin to post more, though I also feel scum may have used that as an shield to lurk. (i.e. at least a nonzero # of those in the other game have to have been legit town and trying to balance both games or else we'd have 5+ scum this game!
4 players that were also playing the other game, and you being the fifth?
I don't really mind no one being exiled, this is basically D1 again with added amounts of fake information, what we did today was mostly continue the scola/Awaclus fight (which started in D1 apparently, I went to check) and now people want to kill one of you, which is fine (and I agree with that), but I have no idea if either of you are scum or not.
I'm off now, so my vote will stay on Awaclus.
We can deduce from that they have no results on pasta.
I'm not saying I have results on pasta, but we can't deduce that. Day actions are likely to exist in this game if we can trust LL's claim (or rather, scolapasta's description of it, but as much as he is scum, I don't think there's any reason for him to lie about this):we know (well, LL claimed) that he was targeted by a Cylon, either on N0 or D1.
so fat scola didn't claim anything wrong
what did you tell scola when you told them you were targeted by a cylon?
4 hours left, people need to start voting (for scolapasta).
Flavor folks, is there a reason for Helo to need to have a neighborhood?
LaLi, if you could vote, would you vote for Scola?
I am a *sort of* compulsive vigilante.
I do have to shoot tonight.
I will be choosing from anyone that is not voting.
I am a *sort of* compulsive vigilante.
I do have to shoot tonight.
I will be choosing from anyone that is not voting.
I am a *sort of* compulsive vigilante.
I do have to shoot tonight.
I will be choosing from anyone that is not voting.
not fair!
I am a *sort of* compulsive vigilante.
I do have to shoot tonight.
I will be choosing from anyone that is not voting.
not fair!
I am legit on the fence about you, but tbf, you get a pass this nigh as it has been proven you cannot do the things you say you cannot do.
I am a *sort of* compulsive vigilante.
I do have to shoot tonight.
I will be choosing from anyone that is not voting.
Seems reasonable.
I am a *sort of* compulsive vigilante.
I do have to shoot tonight.
I will be choosing from anyone that is not voting.
Seems reasonable.
dunno if that is sarcasm, but it seems reasonable to me.
I am a *sort of* compulsive vigilante.
I do have to shoot tonight.
I will be choosing from anyone that is not voting.
Seems reasonable.
dunno if that is sarcasm, but it seems reasonable to me.
It wasn't. More people need to vote.
I am voting.
Isolate Colonial One
Any action targeting the President tonight will fail.
Prod: SpaceThe prods have been issued for the Night phase.
Prod: EFHW
- 2-shot, investigative
- 1-shot, miscellaneous
Is there an advantage to have a different VP, MiX?
Is there an advantage to have a different VP, MiX?
More QTs! I'm sure you can see why that would be a net positive.
Hi everyone! Oh Awaclus was town? Dammit, they were my top scumread. Back to the drawing board I guess.
What do people think of the current executive orders? How would you rank them, from most useful to least useful today?
And does anyone want to be the vice president now? I can change from ADK.
vote: DatSwan
you did shoot, didn't you?
Also yeah, I am a full player unit, vote for me and I'll vote for you.
I was shot and protected. One of those two was a Cylon.
I was shot and protected. One of those two was a Cylon.
wait, both were.
I was shot and protected. One of those two was a Cylon.
wait, both were.
well, there is erm a chance, that this was the one person, who targeted me with a shot and a protection, but I don't actually think this is a possibility
Interesting, well then
vote: Swowl
(I don't know if you need to use his Swowl name, LaLi)
Hi everyone! Oh Awaclus was town? Dammit, they were my top scumread. Back to the drawing board I guess.
I was shot and protected. One of those two was a Cylon.
wait, both were.
well, there is erm a chance, that this was the one person, who targeted me with a shot and a protection, but I don't actually think this is a possibility
Hi everyone! Oh Awaclus was town? Dammit, they were my top scumread. Back to the drawing board I guess.
What do people think of the current executive orders? How would you rank them, from most useful to least useful today?
And does anyone want to be the vice president now? I can change from ADK.
I nominate ash
Interesting, well then
vote: Swowl
(I don't know if you need to use his Swowl name, LaLi)
oh my god, i am so sorry
vote: Swowl
I was shot and protected. One of those two was a Cylon.
I was shot and protected. One of those two was a Cylon.
wait, both were.
well, there is erm a chance, that this was the one person, who targeted me with a shot and a protection, but I don't actually think this is a possibility
it is a possibility.
does your cylon reader have a % modifier? I mean I think I am cylon, it would make 100% sense flavor wise. I just want to be sure.
I did not target you with a killing action last night.
I was shot and protected. One of those two was a Cylon.
wait, both were.
well, there is erm a chance, that this was the one person, who targeted me with a shot and a protection, but I don't actually think this is a possibility
it is a possibility.
I was shot and protected. One of those two was a Cylon.
wait, both were.
well, there is erm a chance, that this was the one person, who targeted me with a shot and a protection, but I don't actually think this is a possibility
it is a possibility.
wanna be super clear that this is sarcasm. I am outright saying "yes I targeted you with 2 actions".
They went hand in hand, could not do one without the other.
I was shot and protected. One of those two was a Cylon.
This seems very relevant. I think Swowl should do testing today.I was shot and protected. One of those two was a Cylon.
wait, both were.
well, there is erm a chance, that this was the one person, who targeted me with a shot and a protection, but I don't actually think this is a possibility
it is a possibility.
does your cylon reader have a % modifier? I mean I think I am cylon, it would make 100% sense flavor wise. I just want to be sure.
I did not target you with a killing action last night.
Who did you target?
should of been more clear - I did not target anyone with a killing action last night.
the compulsive element has been turned off. I do not know if that is perm or not. and I have no idea why it happened.
I am totally fine with doing testing. Although I do think it would be a waste. I assumed I was Cylon, LL said they could find out if they are targeted by Cylon... I think I am Cylon.
The point of this was to determine if Cylon=Skum 100% of the time. Which I now know to a 100% certainty, it does not.
I am totally fine with doing testing. Although I do think it would be a waste. I assumed I was Cylon, LL said they could find out if they are targeted by Cylon... I think I am Cylon.
The point of this was to determine if Cylon=Skum 100% of the time. Which I now know to a 100% certainty, it does not.
The point of what? Of course that would be false.
should of been more clear - I did not target anyone with a killing action last night.
the compulsive element has been turned off. I do not know if that is perm or not. and I have no idea why it happened.
When was it turned off?
LaLi, what more can you tell us? Do you know how many actions you were targeted with, or just those that were cylon?
I know it seems too good to be true... but given 2 shot investigative Awa had I am sticking with
Vote: Pasta
I will pull the quotes later
LaLi, what more can you tell us? Do you know how many actions you were targeted with, or just those that were cylon?
all I know is that I was targeted by some number of Cylons that is equal or more than 1 with shooting and protecting powers over any of them. maybe it was 556 shooting actions and 892 protective.
I know it seems too good to be true... but given 2 shot investigative Awa had I am sticking with
Vote: Pasta
I will pull the quotes later
I'm pretty sure awaclus being killed makes pasta town
I know it seems too good to be true... but given 2 shot investigative Awa had I am sticking with
Vote: Pasta
I will pull the quotes later
I'm pretty sure awaclus being killed makes pasta town
Oh, you're saying that awaclus may have had some sort of result on scola. I'll have to go back and read awaclus to see if that makes sense but man I have to hope that awaclus would have claimed that when it looked like we were going to no-exile again
I know it seems too good to be true... but given 2 shot investigative Awa had I am sticking with
Vote: Pasta
I will pull the quotes later
I'm pretty sure awaclus being killed makes pasta town
Oh, you're saying that awaclus may have had some sort of result on scola. I'll have to go back and read awaclus to see if that makes sense but man I have to hope that awaclus would have claimed that when it looked like we were going to no-exile again
I think Awaclus claims exactly 0% of the time there.
1. Because Awaclus
2. Because they had no reason to think they were going to be lynched.
3. Because they had enough heat to *I assume* think they would not be a NK target.
They pushed pasta all day for like... literally no reason. They jumped around day 1, eventually ended on me because of the QT/PM post nonsense. All the time having the back and forth with pasta, albeit less than day 2, but still there... then came out and tunneled the crap out of pasta.
To me that reads "Investigation role had a skum read on the person they were going back and forth with day 1, targeted them, got their result, then tunneled the shit out of them".
I know it seems too good to be true... but given 2 shot investigative Awa had I am sticking with
Vote: Pasta
I will pull the quotes later
I'm pretty sure awaclus being killed makes pasta town
Oh, you're saying that awaclus may have had some sort of result on scola. I'll have to go back and read awaclus to see if that makes sense but man I have to hope that awaclus would have claimed that when it looked like we were going to no-exile again
I think Awaclus claims exactly 0% of the time there.
1. Because Awaclus
2. Because they had no reason to think they were going to be lynched.
3. Because they had enough heat to *I assume* think they would not be a NK target.
They pushed pasta all day for like... literally no reason. They jumped around day 1, eventually ended on me because of the QT/PM post nonsense. All the time having the back and forth with pasta, albeit less than day 2, but still there... then came out and tunneled the crap out of pasta.
To me that reads "Investigation role had a skum read on the person they were going back and forth with day 1, targeted them, got their result, then tunneled the shit out of them".
They did not take an action N1. One of Awaclus' answers to "why didn't you do an action" was "I have shots on my powers and I didn't think it was good to use them yet" - this all points to him having no mechanical information.
Based on what I know today, I'm shifting my attention to you. Are you sure you didn't kill Awaclus or tried to kill LL?
does shooting = killing?
LaLi, what more can you tell us? Do you know how many actions you were targeted with, or just those that were cylon?
all I know is that I was targeted by some number of Cylons that is equal or more than 1 with shooting and protecting powers over any of them. maybe it was 556 shooting actions and 892 protective.
Hey LaLight...when were you targeted? Can you condense all your claims in one post? I have a theory.
I know it seems too good to be true... but given 2 shot investigative Awa had I am sticking with
Vote: Pasta
I will pull the quotes later
I'm pretty sure awaclus being killed makes pasta town
Oh, you're saying that awaclus may have had some sort of result on scola. I'll have to go back and read awaclus to see if that makes sense but man I have to hope that awaclus would have claimed that when it looked like we were going to no-exile again
I think Awaclus claims exactly 0% of the time there.
1. Because Awaclus
2. Because they had no reason to think they were going to be lynched.
3. Because they had enough heat to *I assume* think they would not be a NK target.
They pushed pasta all day for like... literally no reason. They jumped around day 1, eventually ended on me because of the QT/PM post nonsense. All the time having the back and forth with pasta, albeit less than day 2, but still there... then came out and tunneled the crap out of pasta.
To me that reads "Investigation role had a skum read on the person they were going back and forth with day 1, targeted them, got their result, then tunneled the shit out of them".
They did not take an action N1. One of Awaclus' answers to "why didn't you do an action" was "I have shots on my powers and I didn't think it was good to use them yet" - this all points to him having no mechanical information.
Based on what I know today, I'm shifting my attention to you. Are you sure you didn't kill Awaclus or tried to kill LL?
100%
Shift away. I am assuming LL is going to confirm here somewhere that "shooting" does not mean killing.
Awaclus also responded that "we cannot deduce that they do not have a result on pasta simply because they said they took no action."
I don't want to play Awaclus here, I can see I have a confbias, but man, WCD, I'm sorry, you do look like you're scum.
MiX, I am ready to fight you on this one.
MiX is probably scum as well, but this is not something I can even imagine to convince people about, let's be real
there are some people who are in this game, Jack Rudd, Space, where you at?
wait, there's Robz?
why does this game feel like it's 4,5 people alive
LaLi, what more can you tell us? Do you know how many actions you were targeted with, or just those that were cylon?
all I know is that I was targeted by some number of Cylons that is equal or more than 1 with shooting and protecting powers over any of them. maybe it was 556 shooting actions and 892 protective.
Hey LaLight...when were you targeted? Can you condense all your claims in one post? I have a theory.
right.
so D1 I was targeted by a Cylon. N1 I had a neighbourhood with scola. N1 I wasn't targeted by any Cylons. D2 I wasn't targeted by any Cylons. N2 I was targeted by some Cylons that had used shooting and protection on me.
but then Swowl say they didn't shoot me and this doesn't make any sense nowThe ability I targeted you with did 2 different things. Either one of them is considered shooting, or I saved you. Or both. But I did not try to kill you.
Okay, Swow, can you summarize your actions like LL did? I might have information regarding this.
Okay, Swow, can you summarize your actions like LL did? I might have information regarding this.
I did nothing night 1, I targeted LL with 1 ability that has 2 actions on Night 2.
I don't want to play Awaclus here, I can see I have a confbias, but man, WCD, I'm sorry, you do look like you're scum.
MiX, I am ready to fight you on this one.
LaLi, what more can you tell us? Do you know how many actions you were targeted with, or just those that were cylon?
all I know is that I was targeted by some number of Cylons that is equal or more than 1 with shooting and protecting powers over any of them. maybe it was 556 shooting actions and 892 protective.
Hey LaLight...when were you targeted? Can you condense all your claims in one post? I have a theory.
right.
so D1 I was targeted by a Cylon. N1 I had a neighbourhood with scola. N1 I wasn't targeted by any Cylons. D2 I wasn't targeted by any Cylons. N2 I was targeted by some Cylons that had used shooting and protection on me.
how does this mean I am wrong?
I have an x-shot ability that I used on you. It did not contain a killing action.
Okay, Swow, can you summarize your actions like LL did? I might have information regarding this.
I did nothing night 1, I targeted LL with 1 ability that has 2 actions on Night 2.
I don't know much of what's going on either.
Okay, Swow, can you summarize your actions like LL did? I might have information regarding this.
Okay, Swow, can you summarize your actions like LL did? I might have information regarding this.
is this ever going to give any information, or is it like you plan with ADK/Math that has produced nothing?
I'm here. Sad town!Awaclus is gone, but I'm glad I read him correctly yesterday.
I haven't caught up on what's been said today yet besides checking the flip, but I'll catch up tomorrow (irl). Based on yesterday and the flip:
Vote: scola
Ok i am not sure i completely get what you are saying but if someone 100% targeted you with a killing action then you are alive bc of me.
Also my ability is x-shot, which is what i was assuming the shot terminology meant
I'm here. Sad town!Awaclus is gone, but I'm glad I read him correctly yesterday.
I haven't caught up on what's been said today yet besides checking the flip, but I'll catch up tomorrow (irl). Based on yesterday and the flip:
Vote: scola
See I think the opposite. I know it's WIFOM but too me awaclus being killed makes it seem like someone is hoping for a scola misexile
Where I'm at personally is
vote: robz
I'm here. Sad town!Awaclus is gone, but I'm glad I read him correctly yesterday.
I haven't caught up on what's been said today yet besides checking the flip, but I'll catch up tomorrow (irl). Based on yesterday and the flip:
Vote: scola
See I think the opposite. I know it's WIFOM but too me awaclus being killed makes it seem like someone is hoping for a scola misexile
Where I'm at personally is
vote: robz
I mean, I get that it's WIFOM, but if Awaclus was given the choice to join scum and instead chose town, I could see scum killing him just because of that rather than anything to do with Scola at all
I'm here.
I'm an inexperienced, to put it lightly, mafia player, and when people are tunnelling each other, my instinct is just to blink and wait for it to die down so I can marshal my thoughts. Transitioning from hybrid social-deduction like BSG to pure social-deduction like Mafia is proving a bit of a challenge. But an enjoyable one.
I do indeed.I'm here.
I'm an inexperienced, to put it lightly, mafia player, and when people are tunnelling each other, my instinct is just to blink and wait for it to die down so I can marshal my thoughts. Transitioning from hybrid social-deduction like BSG to pure social-deduction like Mafia is proving a bit of a challenge. But an enjoyable one.
By hybrid social-deduction do you mean the board game?
Ok i am not sure i completely get what you are saying but if someone 100% targeted you with a killing action then you are alive bc of me.
Also my ability is x-shot, which is what i was assuming the shot terminology meant
What makes you so sure that you’re the one who protected him?
I'm here. Sad town!Awaclus is gone, but I'm glad I read him correctly yesterday.
I haven't caught up on what's been said today yet besides checking the flip, but I'll catch up tomorrow (irl). Based on yesterday and the flip:
Vote: scola
See I think the opposite. I know it's WIFOM but too me awaclus being killed makes it seem like someone is hoping for a scola misexile
Where I'm at personally is
vote: robz
I mean, I get that it's WIFOM, but if Awaclus was given the choice to join scum and instead chose town, I could see scum killing him just because of that rather than anything to do with Scola at all
In that case why does awaclus flipping town implicate scola?
Robz is not that absent when he's scum, lackluster is a towntrait for him 10 cases out of 10If that's true, then we'd always know he was scum from his activity level. And he'd be strongly motivated to be lackluster as scum to capitalize on that reputation.
Sounds like he targeted him with a protective power. The odd thing is the compulsive kill disappearing.Ok i am not sure i completely get what you are saying but if someone 100% targeted you with a killing action then you are alive bc of me.
Also my ability is x-shot, which is what i was assuming the shot terminology meant
What makes you so sure that you’re the one who protected him?
Was scola the one spinning Awaclus's story as scummy?I'm here. Sad town!Awaclus is gone, but I'm glad I read him correctly yesterday.
I haven't caught up on what's been said today yet besides checking the flip, but I'll catch up tomorrow (irl). Based on yesterday and the flip:
Vote: scola
See I think the opposite. I know it's WIFOM but too me awaclus being killed makes it seem like someone is hoping for a scola misexile
Where I'm at personally is
vote: robz
I mean, I get that it's WIFOM, but if Awaclus was given the choice to join scum and instead chose town, I could see scum killing him just because of that rather than anything to do with Scola at all
In that case why does awaclus flipping town implicate scola?
Sounds like he targeted him with a protective power. The odd thing is the compulsive kill disappearing.Ok i am not sure i completely get what you are saying but if someone 100% targeted you with a killing action then you are alive bc of me.
Also my ability is x-shot, which is what i was assuming the shot terminology meant
What makes you so sure that you’re the one who protected him?
@Swowl, how much of that is an issue in upcoming nights?
Also @Swowl, are you saying your power cancels itself out?
LL, why do you say miscellaneous power means the person wielding it was human?
Prod: ash
By the way, apparently I can only change vice presidents at night, so I guess I missed my chance.
So, who here has scum reads that aren't scola?
Prod: ash
By the way, apparently I can only change vice presidents at night, so I guess I missed my chance.
So, who here has scum reads that aren't scola?
Prod: ash
By the way, apparently I can only change vice presidents at night, so I guess I missed my chance.
So, who here has scum reads that aren't scola?
hi
Is anyone Boomer? I read more about my character. Seems I was with Boomer, and then found out Boomer was a bad robot, and then I hated robots? And then I became a robot, or was one the whole time, which seems like a lazy retcon?
Anyway, if someone is Boomer, does that make them mafia?
Prod: ash
By the way, apparently I can only change vice presidents at night, so I guess I missed my chance.
So, who here has scum reads that aren't scola?
Robz, EFHW, dylan. I would exile any of them
LL, why do you say miscellaneous power means the person wielding it was human?
what, where do I say that?
Okay, Swow, can you summarize your actions like LL did? I might have information regarding this.
I did nothing night 1, I targeted LL with 1 ability that has 2 actions on Night 2.
all the actions have their types written. Like Awa had 2-shot investigative and so on. I was targeted by two actions I mentioned. If you targeted me with miscellanious, for instance, this just means you're a Human
Prod: ash
By the way, apparently I can only change vice presidents at night, so I guess I missed my chance.
So, who here has scum reads that aren't scola?
Robz, EFHW, dylan. I would exile any of them
well, EFHW is an option
vote: EFHW
LL, why do you say miscellaneous power means the person wielding it was human?
what, where do I say that?
Here:Okay, Swow, can you summarize your actions like LL did? I might have information regarding this.
I did nothing night 1, I targeted LL with 1 ability that has 2 actions on Night 2.
all the actions have their types written. Like Awa had 2-shot investigative and so on. I was targeted by two actions I mentioned. If you targeted me with miscellanious, for instance, this just means you're a Human
LL, why do you say miscellaneous power means the person wielding it was human?
Okay, Swow, can you summarize your actions like LL did? I might have information regarding this.
I did nothing night 1, I targeted LL with 1 ability that has 2 actions on Night 2.
all the actions have their types written. Like Awa had 2-shot investigative and so on. I was targeted by two actions I mentioned. If you targeted me with miscellanious, for instance, this just means you're a Human
Is anyone Boomer? I read more about my character. Seems I was with Boomer, and then found out Boomer was a bad robot, and then I hated robots? And then I became a robot, or was one the whole time, which seems like a lazy retcon?
Anyway, if someone is Boomer, does that make them mafia?
LL, why do you say miscellaneous power means the person wielding it was human?
This one is interesting to me, since that's the way I read LL's post at first too, but in retrospect, I think he only means that a misc action targeting him on N2 could only have been carried out by a human, because otherwise he would have detected it:Okay, Swow, can you summarize your actions like LL did? I might have information regarding this.
I did nothing night 1, I targeted LL with 1 ability that has 2 actions on Night 2.
all the actions have their types written. Like Awa had 2-shot investigative and so on. I was targeted by two actions I mentioned. If you targeted me with miscellanious, for instance, this just means you're a Human
The slightly iffy point to me is that LL has said a bunch about when he was targeted by cylons, but has not felt the need to say anything about the type of targeting for the D1 incident. Like, I would definitely have said "D1 misc action, N1 nothing, D2 nothing, N2 protection and shooting actions", or something like that, assuming opening a QT counts as a misc. While I know I'm prone to being more precise than the minimum requirement for conversations like these, I also think it's odd to focus on the type for the N2 stuff and consistently not mention the type for the earlier action, particularly because of the otherwise-unexpected QT.
So Lalight, for these actions you knew more than just targeted by a Cylon (killing / protecting).
But for the other action (which we thought could be the neighborhood) you only knew it was a Cylon? No further detail?
For executive order, I think Military Police would be fun and interesting.
LL, why do you say miscellaneous power means the person wielding it was human?
This one is interesting to me, since that's the way I read LL's post at first too, but in retrospect, I think he only means that a misc action targeting him on N2 could only have been carried out by a human, because otherwise he would have detected it:Okay, Swow, can you summarize your actions like LL did? I might have information regarding this.
I did nothing night 1, I targeted LL with 1 ability that has 2 actions on Night 2.
all the actions have their types written. Like Awa had 2-shot investigative and so on. I was targeted by two actions I mentioned. If you targeted me with miscellanious, for instance, this just means you're a Human
The slightly iffy point to me is that LL has said a bunch about when he was targeted by cylons, but has not felt the need to say anything about the type of targeting for the D1 incident. Like, I would definitely have said "D1 misc action, N1 nothing, D2 nothing, N2 protection and shooting actions", or something like that, assuming opening a QT counts as a misc. While I know I'm prone to being more precise than the minimum requirement for conversations like these, I also think it's odd to focus on the type for the N2 stuff and consistently not mention the type for the earlier action, particularly because of the otherwise-unexpected QT.
What are the options?For executive order, I think Military Police would be fun and interesting.
Sadly, that's one option that hasn't come up yet.
What are the options?For executive order, I think Military Police would be fun and interesting.
Sadly, that's one option that hasn't come up yet.
What are the options?For executive order, I think Military Police would be fun and interesting.
Sadly, that's one option that hasn't come up yet.
Does it matter? I've already put the order anyway, Civilian Jurisdiction, so we actually get an exile done.
What are the options?For executive order, I think Military Police would be fun and interesting.
Sadly, that's one option that hasn't come up yet.
Does it matter? I've already put the order anyway, Civilian Jurisdiction, so we actually get an exile done.
So military votes don't matter? Meh. Welp, I guess that relieves my pressure to figure out who to vote for today.
It's a questionable choice*, because (depending on how votes counts are reported), we may learn something about who's civilian vs military.
* as there's NO WAY we were going to go 3 days without a brigging; 2 days is already weird enough
What are the options?For executive order, I think Military Police would be fun and interesting.
Sadly, that's one option that hasn't come up yet.
Does it matter? I've already put the order anyway, Civilian Jurisdiction, so we actually get an exile done.
So military votes don't matter? Meh. Welp, I guess that relieves my pressure to figure out who to vote for today.
It's a questionable choice*, because (depending on how votes counts are reported), we may learn something about who's civilian vs military.
* as there's NO WAY we were going to go 3 days without a brigging; 2 days is already weird enough
What are the options?For executive order, I think Military Police would be fun and interesting.
Sadly, that's one option that hasn't come up yet.
Does it matter? I've already put the order anyway, Civilian Jurisdiction, so we actually get an exile done.
So military votes don't matter? Meh. Welp, I guess that relieves my pressure to figure out who to vote for today.
It's a questionable choice*, because (depending on how votes counts are reported), we may learn something about who's civilian vs military.
* as there's NO WAY we were going to go 3 days without a brigging; 2 days is already weird enough
When had you claimed you were military?
PPE: You can all vote, just actually exile someone or plurality exile will come to effect.
When had you claimed you were military?
Well, I claimed Commander Adama. I never specifically said I was military, but I think that can be inferred. Also why I never offered to be VP. Though I'd be ok (eventually) renouncing my powers were I to be president.
PPE: You can all vote, just actually exile someone or plurality exile will come to effect.
Yeah, that's now what it says. There's no OR in there.
When had you claimed you were military?
Well, I claimed Commander Adama. I never specifically said I was military, but I think that can be inferred. Also why I never offered to be VP. Though I'd be ok (eventually) renouncing my powers were I to be president.
PPE: You can all vote, just actually exile someone or plurality exile will come to effect.
Yeah, that's now what it says. There's no OR in there.
Oh yes. Right. Of course.
The OR is implied, as it only says there's any voting manipulation at the end of the day. I presume we can still exile normally before then, and thus end the day early.
PPE: You can all vote, just actually exile someone or plurality exile will come to effect.
Yeah, that reads to me like if there is a wagon with more civilian votes, they are the one exiled, even in the event someone with more votes (possibly a majority) total but fewer civilians exists... End of day occurs whether it runs to the deadline or if we choose to end it 3 irl days early. There's nothing explicitly in that order that says the exile is normal unless majority isn't received. To paraphrase, it says an exile happens no matter what. At the end of the day, the exile is determined by civilian votes rather than most votes.
PPE: You can all vote, just actually exile someone or plurality exile will come to effect.
MiX, are you sure? It sounds like only the civilian votes count.
Civilian jurisdiction
Today, an exile will occur even if the game ends without a majority on a player. At the end of this day, the exile is the player with the most civilian votes rather than the player with the most votes.
Yeah, that reads to me like if there is a wagon with more civilian votes, they are the one exiled, even in the event someone with more votes (possibly a majority) total but fewer civilians exists... End of day occurs whether it runs to the deadline or if we choose to end it 3 irl days early. There's nothing explicitly in that order that says the exile is normal unless majority isn't received. To paraphrase, it says an exile happens no matter what. At the end of the day, the exile is determined by civilian votes rather than most votes.
PPE: You can all vote, just actually exile someone or plurality exile will come to effect.
MiX, are you sure? It sounds like only the civilian votes count.
Civilian jurisdiction
Today, an exile will occur even if the game ends without a majority on a player. At the end of this day, the exile is the player with the most civilian votes rather than the player with the most votes.
MiX, what were the other two choices? Or did you already say them and I missed them?
It does matter what the other choices were.
LL, why do you say miscellaneous power means the person wielding it was human?
what, where do I say that?
Here:Okay, Swow, can you summarize your actions like LL did? I might have information regarding this.
I did nothing night 1, I targeted LL with 1 ability that has 2 actions on Night 2.
all the actions have their types written. Like Awa had 2-shot investigative and so on. I was targeted by two actions I mentioned. If you targeted me with miscellanious, for instance, this just means you're a Human
Civilian jurisdiction
Today, an exile will occur even if the game ends without a majority on a player. At the end of this day, the exile is the player with the most civilian votes rather than the player with the most votes.
@faust, can you clarify which is the correct interpretation?The exile is always the player with the most civilian votes, even if the Day end is caused by another player reaching enough votes to exile.
LL, why do you say miscellaneous power means the person wielding it was human?
what, where do I say that?
Here:Okay, Swow, can you summarize your actions like LL did? I might have information regarding this.
I did nothing night 1, I targeted LL with 1 ability that has 2 actions on Night 2.
all the actions have their types written. Like Awa had 2-shot investigative and so on. I was targeted by two actions I mentioned. If you targeted me with miscellanious, for instance, this just means you're a Human
because I wouldn't see misc, I see all the actions made on me by Cylon. misc is just an example
I wonder if one day there will be a RMM where at least one person doesn't get something wrong. That will be a great day.
If we want to hide who's military, we should still exile before deadline.
Who wants to cylon test? If no one volunteers, I'll do it tomorrow morning (so in like 11 hours), but I'd rather not.
LL, why do you say miscellaneous power means the person wielding it was human?
what, where do I say that?
Here:Okay, Swow, can you summarize your actions like LL did? I might have information regarding this.
I did nothing night 1, I targeted LL with 1 ability that has 2 actions on Night 2.
all the actions have their types written. Like Awa had 2-shot investigative and so on. I was targeted by two actions I mentioned. If you targeted me with miscellanious, for instance, this just means you're a Human
because I wouldn't see misc, I see all the actions made on me by Cylon. misc is just an example
But, micellaneous is a type, so you would see it, no? we know this, because when mathdude was incapacitated, he had miscellaneous types, and actually so did Awaclu
I wonder if one day there will be a RMM where at least one person doesn't get something wrong. That will be a great day.
Ha. I mean in some ways its good design to allow scum to hide behind misreading. It at least creates reasonable doubt.If we want to hide who's military, we should still exile before deadline.
Call me dumb, but how does this help hide who is military? (side question, did you just throw around votes, because you're military?)Who wants to cylon test? If no one volunteers, I'll do it tomorrow morning (so in like 11 hours), but I'd rather not.
Why not?
LL, why do you say miscellaneous power means the person wielding it was human?
what, where do I say that?
Here:Okay, Swow, can you summarize your actions like LL did? I might have information regarding this.
I did nothing night 1, I targeted LL with 1 ability that has 2 actions on Night 2.
all the actions have their types written. Like Awa had 2-shot investigative and so on. I was targeted by two actions I mentioned. If you targeted me with miscellanious, for instance, this just means you're a Human
because I wouldn't see misc, I see all the actions made on me by Cylon. misc is just an example
Don’t we need to know who the civilians are since they determine the exile.
If LL only sees the actions taken by cylon, and not the actions taken by humans, that is far different than what he said previously.
I wonder if one day there will be a RMM where at least one person doesn't get something wrong. That will be a great day.
If we want to hide who's military, we should still exile before deadline.
Who wants to cylon test? If no one volunteers, I'll do it tomorrow morning (so in like 11 hours), but I'd rather not.
I wonder if one day there will be a RMM where at least one person doesn't get something wrong. That will be a great day.
If we want to hide who's military, we should still exile before deadline.
Who wants to cylon test? If no one volunteers, I'll do it tomorrow morning (so in like 11 hours), but I'd rather not.
who do you want to test?
It does matter what the other choices were.
Why?
I wonder if one day there will be a RMM where at least one person doesn't get something wrong. That will be a great day.
If we want to hide who's military, we should still exile before deadline.
Who wants to cylon test? If no one volunteers, I'll do it tomorrow morning (so in like 11 hours), but I'd rather not.
who do you want to test?
Not me, not ash. Not sure who should be tested, but not one of these 2. I hoped someone would have some willingness to be tested.
It does matter what the other choices were.
Why?
Why hide it?
Quotemathdude: For example, I have a night action that will trigger a turning point. The action may help me or hurt me (it's sort of unclear, and flavour-wise, it looks like it could do either) but may also do nothing
I'm curious about math saying "me" here, instead of "town".
It's a townslip. Don't ask me why I think that.
Why do you think that?
I wonder if one day there will be a RMM where at least one person doesn't get something wrong. That will be a great day.
If we want to hide who's military, we should still exile before deadline.
Who wants to cylon test? If no one volunteers, I'll do it tomorrow morning (so in like 11 hours), but I'd rather not.
who do you want to test?
Not me, not ash. Not sure who should be tested, but not one of these 2. I hoped someone would have some willingness to be tested.
I would agree that random is better than either of those choices.
1. forgot the extra card was added ok fair
2. nah, your previous comment was BS, this was a real question. which I am glad I asked, because now that you have 6 cards, they dont auto shuffle and I didn't think about that.
3. I think we should vote. like an exile but we all just do it and whoever is highest we test that person. probably a little late to establish that today though.
LL, why do you say miscellaneous power means the person wielding it was human?
what, where do I say that?
Here:Okay, Swow, can you summarize your actions like LL did? I might have information regarding this.
I did nothing night 1, I targeted LL with 1 ability that has 2 actions on Night 2.
all the actions have their types written. Like Awa had 2-shot investigative and so on. I was targeted by two actions I mentioned. If you targeted me with miscellanious, for instance, this just means you're a Human
because I wouldn't see misc, I see all the actions made on me by Cylon. misc is just an example
But, micellaneous is a type, so you would see it, no? we know this, because when mathdude was incapacitated, he had miscellaneous types, and actually so did Awaclu
What LL means it that if someone had picked them with a miscellaneous action last night, that person is a human, because LL didn't see any cylon target them with a miscellaneous action last night.
I said this earlier :'(
I wonder if one day there will be a RMM where at least one person doesn't get something wrong. That will be a great day.
Ha. I mean in some ways its good design to allow scum to hide behind misreading. It at least creates reasonable doubt.If we want to hide who's military, we should still exile before deadline.
Call me dumb, but how does this help hide who is military? (side question, did you just throw around votes, because you're military?)Who wants to cylon test? If no one volunteers, I'll do it tomorrow morning (so in like 11 hours), but I'd rather not.
Why not?
It is good design, but it's also up to the players to not make mistakes.
Because if we exile before deadline, most votes will be on that person, so they will probably be exiled. And so all that will be known is that "most civilians" were on the biggest wagon, which is hardly anything.
You know I'm not military. I'm the president.
I don't want information about myself, I want to find scum, not my species.
I did claim civilian when I became the president, all the way back in D1.
Sigh...........I couldn't even protect math. I feel so useless right now, all the things we talked about, everything that we did privately and publicly...useless, now.
Okay, now for bureaucratic things...I'm a civilian, of course, and now I need to pick a VP. If anyone wants to speak up regarding this, do so.
Found it:Sigh...........I couldn't even protect math. I feel so useless right now, all the things we talked about, everything that we did privately and publicly...useless, now.
Okay, now for bureaucratic things...I'm a civilian, of course, and now I need to pick a VP. If anyone wants to speak up regarding this, do so.
Though it reads... well MiXian. That extra "of course" - when it's also possible you gave up your powers... but this confirms you claimed it.
That said, I'm trying to determine a scenario where you would fake this claim. And I'm not really seeing it.
Found it:Sigh...........I couldn't even protect math. I feel so useless right now, all the things we talked about, everything that we did privately and publicly...useless, now.
Okay, now for bureaucratic things...I'm a civilian, of course, and now I need to pick a VP. If anyone wants to speak up regarding this, do so.
Though it reads... well MiXian. That extra "of course" - when it's also possible you gave up your powers... but this confirms you claimed it.
That said, I'm trying to determine a scenario where you would fake this claim. And I'm not really seeing it.
It doesn't make sense with the character I claimed to ADK, so if you trust them, you should probably trust this claim.
The following executive order has been selected:QuoteCivilian jurisdiction
Today, an exile will occur even if the game ends without a majority on a player. At the end of this day, the exile is the player with the most civilian votes rather than the player with the most votes.@faust, can you clarify which is the correct interpretation?The exile is always the player with the most civilian votes, even if the Day end is caused by another player reaching enough votes to exile.
And the choice you make gives us information about you.It does matter what the other choices were.
Why?
Why hide it?
And the choice you make gives us information about you.It does matter what the other choices were.
Why?
Why hide it?
And the choice you make gives us information about you.It does matter what the other choices were.
Why?
Why hide it?
You know I'm not military. I'm the president.
The exile is always the player with the most civilian votes, even if the Day end is caused by another player reaching enough votes to exile.
Well, I claimed Commander Adama. I never specifically said I was military, but I think that can be inferred. Also why I never offered to be VP. Though I'd be ok (eventually) renouncing my powers were I to be president.
Is anyone Boomer? I read more about my character. Seems I was with Boomer, and then found out Boomer was a bad robot, and then I hated robots? And then I became a robot, or was one the whole time, which seems like a lazy retcon?
Anyway, if someone is Boomer, does that make them mafia?
Ash, I have to say I'm kind of scumreading you just because of your dogged return to questions about flavour that are really not supposed to have a bearing on the mafia component of the game.
Do you accept that it's possible for this game to contain cylon-species characters who are human-aligned for the purposes of the town wincon?
Is anyone Boomer? I read more about my character. Seems I was with Boomer, and then found out Boomer was a bad robot, and then I hated robots? And then I became a robot, or was one the whole time, which seems like a lazy retcon?
Anyway, if someone is Boomer, does that make them mafia?
What? Why would that be true?
So Lalight, for these actions you knew more than just targeted by a Cylon (killing / protecting).
But for the other action (which we thought could be the neighborhood) you only knew it was a Cylon? No further detail?
LL, why do you say miscellaneous power means the person wielding it was human?
what, where do I say that?
Here:Okay, Swow, can you summarize your actions like LL did? I might have information regarding this.
I did nothing night 1, I targeted LL with 1 ability that has 2 actions on Night 2.
all the actions have their types written. Like Awa had 2-shot investigative and so on. I was targeted by two actions I mentioned. If you targeted me with miscellanious, for instance, this just means you're a Human
because I wouldn't see misc, I see all the actions made on me by Cylon. misc is just an example
But, micellaneous is a type, so you would see it, no? we know this, because when mathdude was incapacitated, he had miscellaneous types, and actually so did Awaclu
Don’t we need to know who the civilians are since they determine the exile.
If LL only sees the actions taken by cylon, and not the actions taken by humans, that is far different than what he said previously.
Prod: ash
By the way, apparently I can only change vice presidents at night, so I guess I missed my chance.
So, who here has scum reads that aren't scola?
Robz, EFHW, dylan. I would exile any of them
well, EFHW is an option
vote: EFHW
What about your Didds case?
So Lalight, for these actions you knew more than just targeted by a Cylon (killing / protecting).
But for the other action (which we thought could be the neighborhood) you only knew it was a Cylon? No further detail?
I didn't have that power then
Prod: ash
By the way, apparently I can only change vice presidents at night, so I guess I missed my chance.
So, who here has scum reads that aren't scola?
Robz, EFHW, dylan. I would exile any of them
well, EFHW is an option
vote: EFHW
What about your Didds case?
sigh
literally no one has ever agreed with a single read I had in this game. I could be a tree stump for all it matters
anyway, yeah, my votes don't matter again
Is this in a mechanical sense where they just don't count like previous days, a different mechanical reason, or just nobody listens to you?
Don’t we need to know who the civilians are since they determine the exile.
If LL only sees the actions taken by cylon, and not the actions taken by humans, that is far different than what he said previously.
I never claimed something else! My power is as follows:
In the end of the game phase i get to know if I was targeted by any cylons and if I was, I get to know the types of actions I was targeted by those Cylons. I can not be more clear than this
I am very demotivated by the fact everyone ignores pretty much everything I say, except my claims
anyway, yeah, my votes don't matter again
anyway, yeah, my votes don't matter again
I am extremely sorry and am also kind of frustrated by not really being able to vote
Undergo TestingA Drowned Kernel is human.
Further clarification on the executive order: Ties on cilivian votes will be broken by the military votes.
Further clarification on the executive order: Ties on cilivian votes will be broken by the military votes.
Yay, our votes do matter again. Well sort of. More like 1/2 votes...
Further clarification on the executive order: Ties on cilivian votes will be broken by the military votes.
Yay, our votes do matter again. Well sort of. More like 1/2 votes...
Mild hooray.
I leave it as an exercise for the reader to decide whether this is a full vote or a tiebreaker vote, but
Vote: MiX
So Lalight, for these actions you knew more than just targeted by a Cylon (killing / protecting).
But for the other action (which we thought could be the neighborhood) you only knew it was a Cylon? No further detail?
I didn't have that power then
I got this power by choosing to stay away for one more day
I leave it as an exercise for the reader to decide whether this is a full vote or a tiebreaker vote, but
Vote: MiX
I leave it as an exercise for the reader to decide whether this is a full vote or a tiebreaker vote, but
Vote: MiX
With MiX being hard to read, I'm not yet sure I have a strong enough pull to vote this way. But I would be OK with ADK as the next president.
I leave it as an exercise for the reader to decide whether this is a full vote or a tiebreaker vote, but
Vote: MiX
Why do you think I'm scum?
Prod: Robz
I leave it as an exercise for the reader to decide whether this is a full vote or a tiebreaker vote, but
Vote: MiX
Why do you think I'm scum?
Prod: Robz
I didn't care for how some of the you and mathdude stuff went down, thinking at different points that your behavior in that was either anti-town or scummy. You are on the shortlist of people who benefited from taking out mathdude (if it was a choice anyone in game made and not a random or scripted event obviously), and now your choice of EO (that is your choice to make thanks to that event) seems pretty antitown, if not outright scummy. Then your play today has just read as slightly scummy to me anyway, in a way that your normal self generally hasn't since our first game together when I had no idea what you were like. So, do I have super hard reason to believe you are scum? I guess not really, but it's definitely more than I have for basically anyone else not named scolapasta.
You're right that I feel different: I am different. I don't care about town winning this game as much as I do the others. Not yet anyway. Take this as you will.
You're right that I feel different: I am different. I don't care about town winning this game as much as I do the others. Not yet anyway. Take this as you will.
What are "the others" here?
I don't get why you are complaining here. You said yourself that the Didds case was mostly a gut read. You can't be expecting me to agree with your vote on me, and with no explanation you aren't likely to convince others. At the risk of discovering that I ignored something you said, is there anything else you wanted a response to?Prod: ash
By the way, apparently I can only change vice presidents at night, so I guess I missed my chance.
So, who here has scum reads that aren't scola?
Robz, EFHW, dylan. I would exile any of them
well, EFHW is an option
vote: EFHW
What about your Didds case?
sigh
literally no one has ever agreed with a single read I had in this game. I could be a tree stump for all it matters
@Swowl: I just want to understand you had a compulsive shot you had to take on N2, but then when N2 started you were informed you no longer had to take it? If so, have you determined why that is that you didn't?Answered this a few times now. But yes, correct. And no, I have no idea what triggered the non-compulsive element.
Information about me is anti-town, or I would've given it. Besides, you always know what I chose.What is more anti town (real question)... you giving the information or getting lynched over not doing so.
Further clarification on the executive order: Ties on cilivian votes will be broken by the military votes.So, with the info we have so far I wanna make sure I have this right...
I think controlling!MiX is more likely to be scum!MiX.I think MiX as Prez in this game would do it as either alignment. So not "not skum", but not "only skum".
So Lalight, for these actions you knew more than just targeted by a Cylon (killing / protecting).
But for the other action (which we thought could be the neighborhood) you only knew it was a Cylon? No further detail?
I didn't have that power then
I got this power by choosing to stay away for one more day
So just to be clear: you're saying that you originally had the power to tell if you were targeted by a Cylon (I assume as a simple yes/no and not a count), Then, by staying away a 2nd day, it was enhanced to also tell you what kind of power. Do I have that correct?
I think I'm caught up.
MiX is definitely mafia. He is the best exile.
ash is definitely a potential mafia. He is the second-best exile.
Third-best exile is among:
Jack Rudd (it's late enough in the game with plenty of commentary to warrant more activity; now it's just mafia using the cover of newbie)
Robz888 (it's late enough in the game with plenty of commentary to warrant more activity; now it's just mafia using the cover of lazy!Robz is town)
Space and any other player who claims to mafiaread me but doesn't vote.
So I wrote six posts in a row yesterday when I had time to review and such. LaLight was the first to post after them, but literally seemed like he hadn't seen them at all. And the game has just continued from there.
Did my six posts actually post? I went back and looked and they were all there on my screen.
Is anyone Boomer? I read more about my character. Seems I was with Boomer, and then found out Boomer was a bad robot, and then I hated robots? And then I became a robot, or was one the whole time, which seems like a lazy retcon?
Anyway, if someone is Boomer, does that make them mafia?
What? Why would that be true?
Why wouldn't it be true?
I think controlling!MiX is more likely to be scum!MiX.
Information about me is anti-town, or I would've given it. Besides, you always know what I chose.What is more anti town (real question)... you giving the information or getting lynched over not doing so.Further clarification on the executive order: Ties on cilivian votes will be broken by the military votes.So, with the info we have so far I wanna make sure I have this right...
1. We are plurality, 100% based on the votes of civilians, with the minor exception that if there is a tie, military votes will be the breaker.
2. In a situation where Player A gets exiled prior to EOD with 7 on them... if 2/7 of those people are civis... but then on like a random player B there are 3 civis.. player B is Exiled?
I think I'm caught up.
MiX is definitely mafia. He is the best exile.
ash is definitely a potential mafia. He is the second-best exile.
Third-best exile is among:
Jack Rudd (it's late enough in the game with plenty of commentary to warrant more activity; now it's just mafia using the cover of newbie)
Robz888 (it's late enough in the game with plenty of commentary to warrant more activity; now it's just mafia using the cover of lazy!Robz is town)
Space and any other player who claims to mafiaread me but doesn't vote.
I don't know what to answer to other posts, but this one is quite a good one with which I mostly agree.
let's vote: MiX and see where it goes
There is nothing in this post to agree with.
There is nothing in this post to agree with.
I would LOVE if I could decide for myself.
There is nothing in this post to agree with.
I would LOVE if I could decide for myself.
You're just salty I (and ADK) misread the order now.
There is nothing in this post to agree with.
I would LOVE if I could decide for myself.
There is nothing in this post to agree with.
I would LOVE if I could decide for myself.
You're just salty I (and ADK) misread the order now.
Wow, THIS is gaslighting. I didn't eve remotely think about this, I don't care in a slightest that you misread, shit happens
It took me a long, long time to get used to your playstyle and somehow I still feel very irritated at times
Oh, you mean that you can decide if you can agree with the post or not. Well you could start by saying what you agree with and why you agree with it.
Prod: RobzProd sent.
I don't get why you are complaining here. You said yourself that the Didds case was mostly a gut read. You can't be expecting me to agree with your vote on me, and with no explanation you aren't likely to convince others. At the risk of discovering that I ignored something you said, is there anything else you wanted a response to?
I think controlling!MiX is more likely to be scum!MiX.
So I wrote six posts in a row yesterday when I had time to review and such. LaLight was the first to post after them, but literally seemed like he hadn't seen them at all. And the game has just continued from there.
Did my six posts actually post? I went back and looked and they were all there on my screen.
Well, I claimed Commander Adama. I never specifically said I was military, but I think that can be inferred. Also why I never offered to be VP. Though I'd be ok (eventually) renouncing my powers were I to be president.
Just because your flavor character is clearly in the military, that definitely means absolutely nothing in this game. I'm a military character and I am civilian.
Like, someone could claim to be Worf, a Klingon who was saved from a ship floating dead in space after the BSG picked up a distress signal and I'd believe them. That's about the level of consistency I'm finding here.
I think controlling!MiX is more likely to be scum!MiX.
How exactly is mix being "controlling"?
Being the president is not something I wanted to be. I wanted math to be the president because he was town, and he was obviously town. If I was scum, I could just control him into doing what I want anyway.
also what tickled me, why do you use "mafiaread" and "mafia" as a whole instead of scum? that's not a concern, just curiosity. Knowing you there's something beneath it
I think controlling!MiX is more likely to be scum!MiX.
How exactly is mix being "controlling"?
There's plenty from D1 while mathdude was president, but I don't have time to go fetch them (vaccine appointment in 1 hr! woot!).
But here's a recent post using MiX's own language:Being the president is not something I wanted to be. I wanted math to be the president because he was town, and he was obviously town. If I was scum, I could just control him into doing what I want anyway.
And before the "but he says 'If I was scum'" brigade shows up, does anyone doubt town!MiX wouldn't play the same way, the exception being that doing the the things he wants would be pro-town?
I think controlling!MiX is more likely to be scum!MiX.
How exactly is mix being "controlling"?
Being the president is not something I wanted to be. I wanted math to be the president because he was town, and he was obviously town. If I was scum, I could just control him into doing what I want anyway.
I will say that MiX’s style is often bossy which reads as controlling even if he’s not actually controlling anything.There is a different feel this time. More omnipotent than usual.
I think controlling!MiX is more likely to be scum!MiX.
How exactly is mix being "controlling"?
There's plenty from D1 while mathdude was president, but I don't have time to go fetch them (vaccine appointment in 1 hr! woot!).
But here's a recent post using MiX's own language:Being the president is not something I wanted to be. I wanted math to be the president because he was town, and he was obviously town. If I was scum, I could just control him into doing what I want anyway.
And before the "but he says 'If I was scum'" brigade shows up, does anyone doubt town!MiX wouldn't play the same way, the exception being that doing the the things he wants would be pro-town?
And thus the case of controlling!mix being scum!mix falls apart without me having to argue for it.
For the record, I wouldn't call what I was trying to do with math controlling, I'd call it trying to read him, and then trying to teamwork. Besides, I changed considerabky onve math flipped.
I will say that MiX’s style is often bossy which reads as controlling even if he’s not actually controlling anything.There is a different feel this time. More omnipotent than usual.
I will say that MiX’s style is often bossy which reads as controlling even if he’s not actually controlling anything.There is a different feel this time. More omnipotent than usual.
I can see that. The hole “I’m not as invested in town winning as usual” is very strange. Is he third party? He’s definitely not pro-town
(or that possibly you're third party, which was reinforced by something else you said recently)
I will say that MiX’s style is often bossy which reads as controlling even if he’s not actually controlling anything.There is a different feel this time. More omnipotent than usual.
I can see that. The hole “I’m not as invested in town winning as usual” is very strange. Is he third party? He’s definitely not pro-town
I will say that MiX’s style is often bossy which reads as controlling even if he’s not actually controlling anything.There is a different feel this time. More omnipotent than usual.
I can see that. The hole “I’m not as invested in town winning as usual” is very strange. Is he third party? He’s definitely not pro-town
MiX, are you still waiting for Robz to say something? What’s going on there?
MiX, are you still waiting for Robz to say something? What’s going on there?
I'm waiting for everyone, and Robz is the last one.
also what tickled me, why do you use "mafiaread" and "mafia" as a whole instead of scum? that's not a concern, just curiosity. Knowing you there's something beneath it
It’s just a conscious effort of my part to stop using the word “scum.” I used it a ton before, obviously, but for some reason it bothers me to say now. Not sure why, as I don’t know that it has a problematic nuance or anything. If I want to differentiate between different types of non-town, I’ll write it out to make it clear.
I think controlling!MiX is more likely to be scum!MiX.
How exactly is mix being "controlling"?
I do have to admit I'm less engaed in this day trying to decide on voting, due to my "backup" vote. I've thought about it some more, and it's not even really a 1/2 vote, since even if all the military chose to vote for someone in possibly (likely) wouldn't matter.
But I do want to place my vote somewhere, so am going to go with:
Vote: space
I just find their posts to be less anemotown than usual. Like, they provide a lot of useful content, but it's mostly just recap of what's happened and repeating others' opinions. I think the most recent post, where they agreed a bunch with me felt just enough to think they might be trying to buddy me.
I'm also wary of swowl's supposed compulsive, then not compulsive shot, and then the weirdness of his killing / protective actions against LL. I'm really not sure how to interpret all that.
I think controlling!MiX is more likely to be scum!MiX.
How exactly is mix being "controlling"?
There are a lot of examples of general attempts to shut down conversation about some topics, or not to share information on ExO cards etc. Against a back drop of those kinds of assertive statements, though, there's also some more specific stuff, for example, when MiX had the QT with Mathdude. First there was a directive to Mathdude to check in with it whenever he was posting (#244), then later on MiX literally said "If you don't want my help, then I don't want you alive" when Mathdude did something without asking MiX's permission. To me, that's language that wouldn't be at all okay in real-life social interaction, so I thought it crossed a bit of a line here too. I called it out at #248 and MiX responded "Talk to me when you find it scummy", which I felt was trying to shut down my observation about civility because it's not game-relevant.
Further on when Mathdude says something else QT-related, MiX says "please talk to me before revealing things in the thread I swear to god", where I'd generally read that ending as threatening language, and therefore classify it as controlling.
At #592, Scola asks MiX whether he'd consulted with ADK on the ExO card, because MiX had admonished Mathdude for not discussing the selection with him. MiX's response at #593 was that his demands of Mathdude were a way to get a read on him, and that since ADK is very experienced, MiX didn't need to do that with them. That seems to entirely miss the point that Scola was pointing out to MiX how hypocritical he was being.
As a last specific example, at #599 there's a throwaway reply that "It means that I don't feel like forcing them to make decisions through me will help them, or me." Again, MiX writes as if forcing people to do things is a socially acceptable way to behave, and I find that disturbing.
I don't know what I think about how alignment-indicative any of this is. It's possible that scum!MiX is less likely than town!MiX to make blanket comments about how anything is pro-town, simply because he's a player who's quite strongly biased by his current assumptions about the game, therefore maybe he's more likely to be so adamant over the "it's anti-town to tell you" line if he's really town, because scum!MiX would be more aware that he'd have to convince other people. Either way, I would prefer it to be non-alignment-indicative behaviour that MiX could learn to modify to be more mindful of how his writing might come across.
I do have to admit I'm less engaed in this day trying to decide on voting, due to my "backup" vote. I've thought about it some more, and it's not even really a 1/2 vote, since even if all the military chose to vote for someone in possibly (likely) wouldn't matter.
But I do want to place my vote somewhere, so am going to go with:
Vote: space
I just find their posts to be less anemotown than usual. Like, they provide a lot of useful content, but it's mostly just recap of what's happened and repeating others' opinions. I think the most recent post, where they agreed a bunch with me felt just enough to think they might be trying to buddy me.
I'm also wary of swowl's supposed compulsive, then not compulsive shot, and then the weirdness of his killing / protective actions against LL. I'm really not sure how to interpret all that.
I still don't fully have my head in the game, but at least I've gotten my biggest blocker to engaging in the game out in the open now. (Possibly second-biggest after just not having coped well with this game starting before the previous one had ended).
I do find it mildly amusing that you ended your post with an "I'm also wary..." and then came to the same conclusion about Swowl that I ended my big recent post on, even though you apparently characterised my post as just "repeating others' opinions".
I do have to admit I'm less engaed in this day trying to decide on voting, due to my "backup" vote. I've thought about it some more, and it's not even really a 1/2 vote, since even if all the military chose to vote for someone in possibly (likely) wouldn't matter.
But I do want to place my vote somewhere, so am going to go with:
Vote: space
I just find their posts to be less anemotown than usual. Like, they provide a lot of useful content, but it's mostly just recap of what's happened and repeating others' opinions. I think the most recent post, where they agreed a bunch with me felt just enough to think they might be trying to buddy me.
I'm also wary of swowl's supposed compulsive, then not compulsive shot, and then the weirdness of his killing / protective actions against LL. I'm really not sure how to interpret all that.
I still don't fully have my head in the game, but at least I've gotten my biggest blocker to engaging in the game out in the open now. (Possibly second-biggest after just not having coped well with this game starting before the previous one had ended).
I do find it mildly amusing that you ended your post with an "I'm also wary..." and then came to the same conclusion about Swowl that I ended my big recent post on, even though you apparently characterised my post as just "repeating others' opinions".
This raises an eyebrow. Is it just me, or is this scummy coming from Didds?
Didds?
I do have to admit I'm less engaed in this day trying to decide on voting, due to my "backup" vote. I've thought about it some more, and it's not even really a 1/2 vote, since even if all the military chose to vote for someone in possibly (likely) wouldn't matter.
But I do want to place my vote somewhere, so am going to go with:
Vote: space
I just find their posts to be less anemotown than usual. Like, they provide a lot of useful content, but it's mostly just recap of what's happened and repeating others' opinions. I think the most recent post, where they agreed a bunch with me felt just enough to think they might be trying to buddy me.
I'm also wary of swowl's supposed compulsive, then not compulsive shot, and then the weirdness of his killing / protective actions against LL. I'm really not sure how to interpret all that.
I still don't fully have my head in the game, but at least I've gotten my biggest blocker to engaging in the game out in the open now. (Possibly second-biggest after just not having coped well with this game starting before the previous one had ended).
I do find it mildly amusing that you ended your post with an "I'm also wary..." and then came to the same conclusion about Swowl that I ended my big recent post on, even though you apparently characterised my post as just "repeating others' opinions".
Weird compulsive-vig-protection thing that doesn't quite seem to line up with LL's claims.
... while the military police force would get us some results but the caveat that military are undetectable means we probably wouldn’t get a result on scum.
In going back to find the #s I mentioned in the previous post, I did reread something I had missed. Could this be possible scumslip?... while the military police force would get us some results but the caveat that military are undetectable means we probably wouldn’t get a result on scum.
I mean, there's a probable in there, but why assume scum are military? (and note Didds has claimed she's military)
Vote: WCD
In going back to find the #s I mentioned in the previous post, I did reread something I had missed. Could this be possible scumslip?... while the military police force would get us some results but the caveat that military are undetectable means we probably wouldn’t get a result on scum.
I mean, there's a probable in there, but why assume scum are military? (and note Didds has claimed she's military)
Vote: WCD
In going back to find the #s I mentioned in the previous post, I did reread something I had missed. Could this be possible scumslip?... while the military police force would get us some results but the caveat that military are undetectable means we probably wouldn’t get a result on scum.
I mean, there's a probable in there, but why assume scum are military? (and note Didds has claimed she's military)
Vote: WCD
I’m assuming some of the scum are military and some are civilian. Assuming that the team is 2 or 3 people, and they can choose who takes the shot.... they would have military do the shooting because they are the undetectable ones. So, the results would be interesting, but probably wouldn’t help us isolate the scum team as much as other action-takers.
That just makes sense, right?
But I will add, mathdude raises some suspicion for me:
• did seem somewhat defensive and sarcastic about it; and I agree with ash that seems like it could be a tell.
• asked about why would he want a chat with a fellow scum, leaving out the fact that this is a day chat and scum chat is usually a night only thing (at least in my limited experience; that one game I was scum, we had day chat and everyone seemed to treat it like it was a special cookie)
• (least strong) this quote below. Based on my theory above, I would have maybe expected something mentioning the fact that someone had already used the term.I'm just going on the assumption that mafia is cylon-aligned, based on them being opposite species here. Doesn't that make sense?
But then if he were scum, could Mix also be scum?
Meh, I never know how to read MiX. But Ithink this is all enough for an initial vote for:
Vote: mathdude
To all those who are saying we should not exile mathdude, is it just because he's president? or are there other reasons?
This is a great post, but I'm not persuaded.
This is a great post, but I'm not persuaded.
Here is a question (an I don’t have an answer)... do we want ADK to be the president? If MiX gets the boot today, they would get elevated.
Who would you appoint to VP next?
In going back to find the #s I mentioned in the previous post, I did reread something I had missed. Could this be possible scumslip?... while the military police force would get us some results but the caveat that military are undetectable means we probably wouldn’t get a result on scum.
I mean, there's a probable in there, but why assume scum are military? (and note Didds has claimed she's military)
Vote: WCD
I’m assuming some of the scum are military and some are civilian. Assuming that the team is 2 or 3 people, and they can choose who takes the shot.... they would have military do the shooting because they are the undetectable ones. So, the results would be interesting, but probably wouldn’t help us isolate the scum team as much as other action-takers.
That just makes sense, right?
In going back to find the #s I mentioned in the previous post, I did reread something I had missed. Could this be possible scumslip?... while the military police force would get us some results but the caveat that military are undetectable means we probably wouldn’t get a result on scum.
I mean, there's a probable in there, but why assume scum are military? (and note Didds has claimed she's military)
Vote: WCD
I’m assuming some of the scum are military and some are civilian. Assuming that the team is 2 or 3 people, and they can choose who takes the shot.... they would have military do the shooting because they are the undetectable ones. So, the results would be interesting, but probably wouldn’t help us isolate the scum team as much as other action-takers.
That just makes sense, right?
It could make some sense, but it just feels a tad enough strong to be more than just an assumption. Like I said, if you were civilian, it probably won't have pinged any alarms, but for the the fact that you're claimed military.
This is a great post, but I'm not persuaded.
Here is a question (an I don’t have an answer)... do we want ADK to be the president? If MiX gets the boot today, they would get elevated.
I will attempt to catch up later today.
In going back to find the #s I mentioned in the previous post, I did reread something I had missed. Could this be possible scumslip?... while the military police force would get us some results but the caveat that military are undetectable means we probably wouldn’t get a result on scum.
I mean, there's a probable in there, but why assume scum are military? (and note Didds has claimed she's military)
Vote: WCD
I’m assuming some of the scum are military and some are civilian. Assuming that the team is 2 or 3 people, and they can choose who takes the shot.... they would have military do the shooting because they are the undetectable ones. So, the results would be interesting, but probably wouldn’t help us isolate the scum team as much as other action-takers.
That just makes sense, right?
It could make some sense, but it just feels a tad enough strong to be more than just an assumption. Like I said, if you were civilian, it probably won't have pinged any alarms, but for the the fact that you're claimed military.
Okay... then there is nothing for me to say if this about perceived tone. I don’t know who scum are aligned with, but I’d assume they are split. I know who some military are but I’m townreading them. When Mixed asked for XO input, I went through the possible orders, thought about their utility and wrote it down. The drawback to that one is that there is a better than good chance we don’t catch scum with the power. I think that’s right and it the drawback to that XO. I say that is the drawback to the XO with a good of certainty because this seems like an easy observation to me. That seems more informational than scummy from where I sit.
What would conclude about the order? Where is my read flawed?
You're right it was more about tone (and maybe nonchalance) than the actual read of the XO. It might also be that it feels mildly scummy to want to answer that question, i.e trying to get some town points.
This is a great post, but I'm not persuaded.
Here is a question (an I don’t have an answer)... do we want ADK to be the president? If MiX gets the boot today, they would get elevated.
Why not ADK? They can have greatness thrust upon them.
You're right it was more about tone (and maybe nonchalance) than the actual read of the XO. It might also be that it feels mildly scummy to want to answer that question, i.e trying to get some town points.
You're right it was more about tone (and maybe nonchalance) than the actual read of the XO. It might also be that it feels mildly scummy to want to answer that question, i.e trying to get some town points.
I'm really frustrated that this game is so fragmented. So, I have been trying to be more present and engaged today. MiX asked a question...so I answered it. The benefit of which is that I understood what the XOs were, so I was pretty sure that MiX was reading the order for today wrong when he told us about his choice. I wasn't trying to look like town. I am town, and I thought it was helpful.
You're right it was more about tone (and maybe nonchalance) than the actual read of the XO. It might also be that it feels mildly scummy to want to answer that question, i.e trying to get some town points.
I've read this interaction a lot and I still don't understand this: what question are you referring to?
What do people think of the current executive orders? How would you rank them, from most useful to least useful today?
@pasta...
Yes, the part you are quoting was before MiX told us the XO he chose. I’m saying that the reason I was quick to realize that he might not be interpreting it correctly when he finally filled us it was because I had read them carefully back when he had asked. I was saying that work had served us well.
Oh, I see. And if MiX is scum? I guess we can look for other scum first. But I rarely get a MiX scumread.
This is a great post, but I'm not persuaded.
Here is a question (an I don’t have an answer)... do we want ADK to be the president? If MiX gets the boot today, they would get elevated.
Why not ADK? They can have greatness thrust upon them.
ADK has made it pretty clear they don't want to have to toss their powers at this point.
Oh, I see. And if MiX is scum? I guess we can look for other scum first. But I rarely get a MiX scumread.
This is a great post, but I'm not persuaded.
Here is a question (an I don’t have an answer)... do we want ADK to be the president? If MiX gets the boot today, they would get elevated.
Why not ADK? They can have greatness thrust upon them.
ADK has made it pretty clear they don't want to have to toss their powers at this point.
Didds is being more analytical than usual. I think it's a good change - it helped me townread her on the last day of the last game.
I feel like we haven't heard much from Dylan. I need more data so I can learn to read him!
You're right it was more about tone (and maybe nonchalance) than the actual read of the XO. It might also be that it feels mildly scummy to want to answer that question, i.e trying to get some town points.
I've read this interaction a lot and I still don't understand this: what question are you referring to?What do people think of the current executive orders? How would you rank them, from most useful to least useful today?
Jack showing up and only voting does feel scummy though:
Vote: Jack
And then there's also Robz not showing up.
Vote: Robz
I could go for either of these too. If my vote counted.
Didds is being more analytical than usual. I think it's a good change - it helped me townread her on the last day of the last game.
I feel like we haven't heard much from Dylan. I need more data so I can learn to read him!
You're right it was more about tone (and maybe nonchalance) than the actual read of the XO. It might also be that it feels mildly scummy to want to answer that question, i.e trying to get some town points.
I've read this interaction a lot and I still don't understand this: what question are you referring to?What do people think of the current executive orders? How would you rank them, from most useful to least useful today?
Thank you.
Would you, as either alignment, not answer that question? Why would you do that? Answering questions is fun and helpful which helps all alignments involved.
Jack showing up and only voting does feel scummy though:
Vote: Jack
And then there's also Robz not showing up.
Vote: Robz
I could go for either of these too. If my vote counted.
Votes still count, if you bring someone to 7, chances are they're exiled.
Robz has actually been busy, whereas Jack is around enough to vote. Therefore Jack is scum. He's not even trying to read the thread anymore, that vote was just a kneejerk "I was voted therefore I must vote whoever voted me" which, sure, in a vacuum seems like something scum would never do, but the way Jack is playing is also not what a new!town person would do at all, town!Jack would never just sit back and OMGUS with quite literally no input. This is just lazy non-town play, most likely from an alignment that either doesn't know their partners, doesn't have partners, or whose partners don't know who they are.
Acknowledged. Again, I do mean to catch up soon.
Vote: MiX
I don’t want their to be no exile situation again, and I’m fine with you dying. Sorry!
Didds is being more analytical than usual. I think it's a good change - it helped me townread her on the last day of the last game.
I feel like we haven't heard much from Dylan. I need more data so I can learn to read him!
But isn't doing something different than usual a scum sign - as one doesn't quite know how to always "fake" it?
That said, I could also see this post as being a trap for someone like me to read it this way; allowing you to indirectly throw suspicion at WCD without getting your hands dirty.
Or are you saying she was also more analytical in the last game? If so, was that true just at the end when there were fewer players, or also early on?
I simply do not believe that MiX as skum would put a play on the table that forces an exile.
You'll need to elaborate to be persuasive.Acknowledged. Again, I do mean to catch up soon.Vote: MiX
Then why would you put me in E-1?
Town is in a really, really bad situation if I'm exiled. I can't stress it enough.
You'll need to elaborate to be persuasive.Acknowledged. Again, I do mean to catch up soon.Vote: MiX
Then why would you put me in E-1?
Town is in a really, really bad situation if I'm exiled. I can't stress it enough.
Hey all, sorry about disappearing this weekend. I can't really elaborate much, but there was a fatal incident Friday night that has taken up a lot of mental capacity, and my ability to sit and focus on games just hasn't been there this weekend. I'm going to try to catch up.
Hey all, sorry about disappearing this weekend. I can't really elaborate much, but there was a fatal incident Friday night that has taken up a lot of mental capacity, and my ability to sit and focus on games just hasn't been there this weekend. I'm going to try to catch up.
Oh, Dylan. I’m so sorry. I hope that you are doing okay.
You'll need to elaborate to be persuasive.Acknowledged. Again, I do mean to catch up soon.Vote: MiX
Then why would you put me in E-1?
Town is in a really, really bad situation if I'm exiled. I can't stress it enough.
Town needs to not be addicted to make people claim information that doesn't help town just because they scumread them.
What I'm saying is true. Ask ADK. You don't need to know more than that to make a decision. After all, I could be lying regardless of how much I elaborate, right?
Would you, as either alignment, not answer that question? Why would you do that? Answering questions is fun and helpful which helps all alignments involved.
Town needs to not be addicted to make people claim information that doesn't help town just because they scumread them.
What I'm saying is true. Ask ADK. You don't need to know more than that to make a decision. After all, I could be lying regardless of how much I elaborate, right?
Hey all, sorry about disappearing this weekend. I can't really elaborate much, but there was a fatal incident Friday night that has taken up a lot of mental capacity, and my ability to sit and focus on games just hasn't been there this weekend. I'm going to try to catch up.
Oh, Dylan. I’m so sorry. I hope that you are doing okay.
I'm fine, thanks. On the one hand, the thing didn't affect me directly per se, but it very much impacted an immediate family member, so it's more worrying about them than personally being in a bad spot. Just the whole situation sucks.
Dr. Jeckyl and Mr MiX, a short story by scolapasta:Would you, as either alignment, not answer that question? Why would you do that? Answering questions is fun and helpful which helps all alignments involved.Town needs to not be addicted to make people claim information that doesn't help town just because they scumread them.
What I'm saying is true. Ask ADK. You don't need to know more than that to make a decision. After all, I could be lying regardless of how much I elaborate, right?
Dr. Jeckyl and Mr MiX, a short story by scolapasta:Would you, as either alignment, not answer that question? Why would you do that? Answering questions is fun and helpful which helps all alignments involved.Town needs to not be addicted to make people claim information that doesn't help town just because they scumread them.
What I'm saying is true. Ask ADK. You don't need to know more than that to make a decision. After all, I could be lying regardless of how much I elaborate, right?
Bolded That For You.
This is treading into dangerous water, but:
I have information, accessible only to me, that makes me strongly believe mix is town
If you think I'm town, and you trust my judgement, you won't exile mix
I don’t want their to be no exile situation again, and I’m fine with you dying. Sorry!
Snip*
Especially with MiX as President, as his play style could easily lend him to getting brigged. (in fact, I think the only thing saving him right now from being brigged is the fact that he's the president)
I simply do not believe that MiX as skum would put a play on the table that forces an exile.
Why not?
I scumread MiX more than I believe ADK's claim. my vote stays
ADK, can you remind us why you wanted to be VP? It's become more clear than you're military. I know that my though process (and I read the same thing in Didd's lack of desire to be VP when MiX had asked) was being miltary and being unsure of the turning point, I was not interested. Especially with MiX as President, as his play style could easily lend him to getting brigged. (in fact, I think the only thing saving him right now from being brigged is the fact that he's the president)
So why is it you put your name in the running?
This is treading into dangerous water, but:
I have information, accessible only to me, that makes me strongly believe mix is town
If you think I'm town, and you trust my judgement, you won't exile mix
Do you specifically believe MiX is town, or just that he's not Cylon aligned?
I ask because not for the first time this game, the fact he's explicitly mentioning the possibility of third-party or traitor mechanics (see his recent criticism of Jack) makes me wonder what particular information he's got that makes him go into extra detail relating to those possibilities.
ADK, can you remind us why you wanted to be VP? It's become more clear than you're military. I know that my though process (and I read the same thing in Didd's lack of desire to be VP when MiX had asked) was being miltary and being unsure of the turning point, I was not interested. Especially with MiX as President, as his play style could easily lend him to getting brigged. (in fact, I think the only thing saving him right now from being brigged is the fact that he's the president)
So why is it you put your name in the running?
This is an entirely reasonable question! That I'm not going to answer
Answering questions is fun and helpful which helps all alignments involved.
To be clear, my unvote is almost solely on ADK's word here.
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Especially with MiX as President, as his play style could easily lend him to getting brigged. (in fact, I think the only thing saving him right now from being brigged is the fact that he's the president)
The only thing that isI simply do not believe that MiX as skum would put a play on the table that forces an exile.
Why not?
There are no skum deaths and no exiles. 2 Town flips. Why force a flip?
{snipped a bunch of quotes} Like in they hypothetical where you are lying scum, the more you elaborate and the more detailed your lies are, the more likely we are to find something that eventually contradicts that lie. So if a majority (or at least very nearly so) thinks you are scum / likely to be lying, it is in our best interest to get you to say as much as possible. Scum's biggest advantage normally (at least at game start) is their information gap. Town has to work to overcome that, often by acquiring more information. In general, getting more information into town's hands is better than withholding it, certain situations not withstanding. So if this is a situation where it's information that would help scum more than town, you can say that and try to convince us that is true, but that doesn't change that generally withholding info is anti-town.
ADK, can you remind us why you wanted to be VP? It's become more clear than you're military. I know that my though process (and I read the same thing in Didd's lack of desire to be VP when MiX had asked) was being miltary and being unsure of the turning point, I was not interested. Especially with MiX as President, as his play style could easily lend him to getting brigged. (in fact, I think the only thing saving him right now from being brigged is the fact that he's the president)
So why is it you put your name in the running?
This is an entirely reasonable question! That I'm not going to answer
Why do you defy your own president's platform:Answering questions is fun and helpful which helps all alignments involved.
ADK, can you remind us why you wanted to be VP? It's become more clear than you're military. I know that my though process (and I read the same thing in Didd's lack of desire to be VP when MiX had asked) was being miltary and being unsure of the turning point, I was not interested. Especially with MiX as President, as his play style could easily lend him to getting brigged. (in fact, I think the only thing saving him right now from being brigged is the fact that he's the president)
So why is it you put your name in the running?
This is an entirely reasonable question! That I'm not going to answer
Why do you defy your own president's platform:Answering questions is fun and helpful which helps all alignments involved.
I was added to the ticket to appeal to heartland voters, we actually disagree on several key policy points.
ADK, can you remind us why you wanted to be VP? It's become more clear than you're military. I know that my though process (and I read the same thing in Didd's lack of desire to be VP when MiX had asked) was being miltary and being unsure of the turning point, I was not interested. Especially with MiX as President, as his play style could easily lend him to getting brigged. (in fact, I think the only thing saving him right now from being brigged is the fact that he's the president)
So why is it you put your name in the running?
This is an entirely reasonable question! That I'm not going to answer
Why do you defy your own president's platform:Answering questions is fun and helpful which helps all alignments involved.
I don't like this line of argument. The apparent contradiction doesn't mean anything except that MiX likes to get information and doesn't want to give it now, possibly for good reasons. You could say that the original statement is scummy, though, because it encourages helping all alignments, which is weird given our opposing wincons. Also because, like I said before, sometimes you need to keep information to yourself for awhile.
I was added to the ticket to appeal to heartland voters, we actually disagree on several key policy points.
Are you also fluent in Spanish?
ok, vote: Robz. Two wagons are better than one.
I scumread MiX more than I believe ADK's claim. my vote stays
how do you read adk?
ADK, can you remind us why you wanted to be VP? It's become more clear than you're military. I know that my though process (and I read the same thing in Didd's lack of desire to be VP when MiX had asked) was being miltary and being unsure of the turning point, I was not interested. Especially with MiX as President, as his play style could easily lend him to getting brigged. (in fact, I think the only thing saving him right now from being brigged is the fact that he's the president)
So why is it you put your name in the running?
This is an entirely reasonable question! That I'm not going to answer
Why do you defy your own president's platform:Answering questions is fun and helpful which helps all alignments involved.
I don't like this line of argument. The apparent contradiction doesn't mean anything except that MiX likes to get information and doesn't want to give it now, possibly for good reasons. You could say that the original statement is scummy, though, because it encourages helping all alignments, which is weird given our opposing wincons. Also because, like I said before, sometimes you need to keep information to yourself for awhile.
I think it is meaningful. I agree MiX doesn't want to give out info, and that as a general concept giving out info isn't always pro-town, but the point is that if MiX clearly knows that, why does he try to imply that others who don't give info are either scummy at worse, or not being helpful. That's why the contradiction frustrates me.
I hadn't noticed the "all alignments" thing originally. That is weird.
I'm around, but back at work this week, so not really free to engage till 30 mins before deadline when my before-lunch meeting ends.
I think I'm mildly against a swing onto Robz just because he's a player who could provide some innovative content once he catches up, and I think that would help in this game. If we're left with a lurker exile, sadly I think Jack is a better choice there, even though I'm loathe to chase off a newbie in a tough game.
I'm around, but back at work this week, so not really free to engage till 30 mins before deadline when my before-lunch meeting ends.
I think I'm mildly against a swing onto Robz just because he's a player who could provide some innovative content once he catches up, and I think that would help in this game. If we're left with a lurker exile, sadly I think Jack is a better choice there, even though I'm loathe to chase off a newbie in a tough game.
We have the highest odds of overturning my exile if you vote Jack, but I will follow you everywhere.
Expecting the MiX wagon to dissolve. Incorrectly I guess. I'm military, anyway.ok, vote: Robz. Two wagons are better than one.
Wait, I'm not sure I get this. We already had 2 wagons - MiX and Jack. Why switch off one to be just the 2nd vote on Robz?
vote: Jack. I really hope MiX and ADK aren't scumbuddies.
I'm around until deadline.I was expecting more urgency from you.
By everyone's public claim of military vs civilian, Jack's at 1 vote versus my potential 3 votes. So I would say...can we change that? :P
I'm around until deadline.I was expecting more urgency from you.
By everyone's public claim of military vs civilian, Jack's at 1 vote versus my potential 3 votes. So I would say...can we change that? :P
Space?
Everyone hears the answer, so scum are always involved.ADK, can you remind us why you wanted to be VP? It's become more clear than you're military. I know that my though process (and I read the same thing in Didd's lack of desire to be VP when MiX had asked) was being miltary and being unsure of the turning point, I was not interested. Especially with MiX as President, as his play style could easily lend him to getting brigged. (in fact, I think the only thing saving him right now from being brigged is the fact that he's the president)
So why is it you put your name in the running?
This is an entirely reasonable question! That I'm not going to answer
Why do you defy your own president's platform:Answering questions is fun and helpful which helps all alignments involved.
I don't like this line of argument. The apparent contradiction doesn't mean anything except that MiX likes to get information and doesn't want to give it now, possibly for good reasons. You could say that the original statement is scummy, though, because it encourages helping all alignments, which is weird given our opposing wincons. Also because, like I said before, sometimes you need to keep information to yourself for awhile.
I think it is meaningful. I agree MiX doesn't want to give out info, and that as a general concept giving out info isn't always pro-town, but the point is that if MiX clearly knows that, why does he try to imply that others who don't give info are either scummy at worse, or not being helpful. That's why the contradiction frustrates me.
I hadn't noticed the "all alignments" thing originally. That is weird.
When did I say that, or scumread someone that doesn't give info? You were scumreading Didds for wanting to answer a question, and I found that incredibly wrong, they should be townread for it if anything (in reality it's NAI).
All alignments involved. So, if Didds is answering my question, it helps both of us. I'm townreading both of us, so it helps town, but from Didds' perspective, she would know it helps her to answer the question.
Yes, faust lied about the 4.5 hour until deadline, we have 1 more hour than that.Whoops. Counting is hard.
Everyone hears the answer, so scum are always involved.
Space?
They should be here in 45 minutes.
Yes, faust lied about the 4.5 hour until deadline, we have 1 more hour than that.
I'm here now.. meeting is on a pause and probably going to run into lunch when it re-starts.
Vote: Jack for what it's worth.
I'm here now.. meeting is on a pause and probably going to run into lunch when it re-starts.
Vote: Jack for what it's worth.
Are you a civilian?
I'm here now.. meeting is on a pause and probably going to run into lunch when it re-starts.
Vote: Jack for what it's worth.
Are you a civilian?
Sorry.. saw that post then immediately got pulled back into my call. Free now. It's quiet in here!
Is revealing my civilain/military alignment more beneficial than leaving people guessing and requiring more votes to move if people want to be particularly sure of the outcome?
Okay, let's say I'm military! I softed it earlier anyway when pointing out to Mathdude that people with military backgrounds tended to be the main characters in BSG, since he'd evidently been thinking that military might be somehow bad.
- 2-shot, blocking, protective
- miscellaneous, investigative, passive
- miscellaneous, passive
Is MiX still president? If not, it seems like too much power for the president to also be on the jury.MiX is still President. MiX is not on the jury.
My first power is that I learn random (although it says it depends on the current game state) things passively, I learned that a human aligned can turn cylon aligned (which confirms Awaclus' story) , and I learned what the turning point for military being president without losing their powers is (they lose the order deck and gain day powers, this will be public information once it happens, so I don't think it's relevant. I'll say it if you ask for it though.)
My other power is that I control the cylon testing machine. I can either choose "human" or "cylon", and if all players with this ability chose the same, the result of the testing will be this (so, if all players that have this power choose "human", and a cylon goes to test, it comes out as human), otherwise, the test is accurate. I have currently picked cylon, and then human, so from my perspective it's arbitrary, since I don't know the other person's choices. (I then couldn't pick, since I cannot do any actions).
My personal goal is living at the end of the game.
ADK is a third-party.
Ok, good. I was referring to ADK being on the jury.Is MiX still president? If not, it seems like too much power for the president to also be on the jury.MiX is still President. MiX is not on the jury.
That was absolutely the most non-town thing I've ever seen.
I mean, I guess a "random" jury could have ended up there. But then again, they didn't ask or allow for discussion.
The fact that the two voting members of the jury share a QT at night just makes it even more suspicious.
And ADK already claimed non-town.
MiX, ADK, and WCD may not all be the same alignment, but they definitely are not town-aligned.
I mean, we're basically looking at a town loss here. Given we're working with a series, it could be our best interests to end the game quickly and move on to season 2.
The fact that the two voting members of the jury share a QT at night just makes it even more suspicious.
Do you mean that me and ADK have a QT?
The fact that the two voting members of the jury share a QT at night just makes it even more suspicious.
Do you mean that me and ADK have a QT?
Were you a member of the jury?
No, I did not mean you and ADK.
The fact that the two voting members of the jury share a QT at night just makes it even more suspicious.
Do you mean that me and ADK have a QT?
Were you a member of the jury?
No, I did not mean you and ADK.
Then, how do you know that?
The fact that the two voting members of the jury share a QT at night just makes it even more suspicious.
Do you mean that me and ADK have a QT?
Were you a member of the jury?
No, I did not mean you and ADK.
Then, how do you know that?
I'm literally not allowed to say. Like, posting restriction style.
The fact that the two voting members of the jury share a QT at night just makes it even more suspicious.
Do you mean that me and ADK have a QT?
Were you a member of the jury?
No, I did not mean you and ADK.
Then, how do you know that?
I'm literally not allowed to say. Like, posting restriction style.
Is it related to the power you didn't claim?
"So... are we done here?", SpaceAnemone asked. "I didn't even take my seat yet..."[/i]
So how do we explain WCD's actions? WCD knows that ADK is not town-aligned, and yet follows him. What town player blindly follows a non-town player on purpose, without at least discussing it with everyone? Another non-town player, of course.
Now I'm in a conundrum, as MiX is clearly my top mafia read, but I definitely don't want ADK to survive any longer AND get presidential powers if we take out MiX.
Does anyone have a useful day power that could remove a player?
Also noted that Swowl was that Boomer I asked about. Turned out to be town, so what do I know?
If anything, that makes me more likely to be mafia.
Although, I think you are correct that we need an exile
vote: Jack
So how do we explain WCD's actions? WCD knows that ADK is not town-aligned, and yet follows him. What town player blindly follows a non-town player on purpose, without at least discussing it with everyone? Another non-town player, of course.
I wasn't following ADK. He just woke up before I did. I do not have an opinion about ADK's fate. I would rather find scum than third party, but whatevs.
The majority of people in this game wanted to exile Jack Rudd. Two civilians wanted to exile MiX. My vote only makes sense.
Now I'm in a conundrum, as MiX is clearly my top mafia read, but I definitely don't want ADK to survive any longer AND get presidential powers if we take out MiX.
Does anyone have a useful day power that could remove a player?
So you think I faked all that twylight talk just in case there was an unknown power that made me not flip? Why would I say ADK is third-party before I die if we're both scum? WIFOM exists, but doesn't that put ADK in a worse position, potentially getting exiled just for not being town?
Now I'm in a conundrum, as MiX is clearly my top mafia read, but I definitely don't want ADK to survive any longer AND get presidential powers if we take out MiX.
Does anyone have a useful day power that could remove a player?
So you think I faked all that twylight talk just in case there was an unknown power that made me not flip? Why would I say ADK is third-party before I die if we're both scum? WIFOM exists, but doesn't that put ADK in a worse position, potentially getting exiled just for not being town?
I think you faked all of that because you knew you would not flip from the very beginning. It was your own power, or ADK's power, or your faction's power.
Essentially, it was all planned in case you were the exile, knowing you could plant all sorts of seeds of doubt and misinformation.
Now that I am dead, ADK has no reason to play for town, the cylon testing machine doesn't work, and I don't get information which I presume was going to get better over time. We also trigger a turning point which I presume is pro-scum.
Scum team is ash, jack and robz, I'm not even kidding.
for the cylon power I picked cylon and then human, so from my perspective I don't know if the tests were accurate or the other person picked the same thing as me. that's why I was against ash killing himself all of this game.
Now I'm in a conundrum, as MiX is clearly my top mafia read, but I definitely don't want ADK to survive any longer AND get presidential powers if we take out MiX.
Does anyone have a useful day power that could remove a player?
So you think I faked all that twylight talk just in case there was an unknown power that made me not flip? Why would I say ADK is third-party before I die if we're both scum? WIFOM exists, but doesn't that put ADK in a worse position, potentially getting exiled just for not being town?
I think you faked all of that because you knew you would not flip from the very beginning. It was your own power, or ADK's power, or your faction's power.
Essentially, it was all planned in case you were the exile, knowing you could plant all sorts of seeds of doubt and misinformation.
Isn't it clearly the turning point for the president to be brigged? It's possible scum knew of this beforehand, but...
As the jury members entered, A Drowned Kernel exclaimed "This is all a witch hunt! The President is obviously innocent!"
"I agree!", shouted WestCoastDidds.
"So... are we done here?", SpaceAnemone asked. "I didn't even take my seat yet..."
Presidential Jury Final Vote Count
Not Guilty (2): A Drowned Kernel, WestCoastDidds
Not Voting (1): SpaceAnemone
MiX has been judged not guilty! They are not sent to the brig.
Now that I am dead, ADK has no reason to play for town, the cylon testing machine doesn't work, and I don't get information which I presume was going to get better over time. We also trigger a turning point which I presume is pro-scum.
Scum team is ash, jack and robz, I'm not even kidding.
for the cylon power I picked cylon and then human, so from my perspective I don't know if the tests were accurate or the other person picked the same thing as me. that's why I was against ash killing himself all of this game.
Why not vote one of the three players you claim is the mafia team? You seemed so sure here, and yet you vote scola?
Nothing short of a mod-confirmation of your alignment will make me believe anything you say.
If the jury had brigged you, we would have had a turning point.
More points against the mafia jury. I mean, zero discussion.
Now that I am dead, ADK has no reason to play for town, the cylon testing machine doesn't work, and I don't get information which I presume was going to get better over time. We also trigger a turning point which I presume is pro-scum.
Scum team is ash, jack and robz, I'm not even kidding.
for the cylon power I picked cylon and then human, so from my perspective I don't know if the tests were accurate or the other person picked the same thing as me. that's why I was against ash killing himself all of this game.
Why not vote one of the three players you claim is the mafia team? You seemed so sure here, and yet you vote scola?
Nothing short of a mod-confirmation of your alignment will make me believe anything you say.
The information I learned at night contradicts this.If the jury had brigged you, we would have had a turning point.
More points against the mafia jury. I mean, zero discussion.
What would be the point of the jury if it's not random?
So how do we explain WCD's actions? WCD knows that ADK is not town-aligned, and yet follows him. What town player blindly follows a non-town player on purpose, without at least discussing it with everyone? Another non-town player, of course.
I wasn't following ADK. He just woke up before I did. I do not have an opinion about ADK's fate. I would rather find scum than third party, but whatevs.
The majority of people in this game wanted to exile Jack Rudd. Two civilians wanted to exile MiX. My vote only makes sense.
So, you are saying that exactly two of {ashersky, LL, Jack, Robz} are civilians. How would you know that?
You are also saying that only one or zero of {MiX, WCD, ADK, scola, EFHW, Space} are civilians, as it only took two civilians to override the larger wagon. How do you also know that?
And mind telling us which is which? MiX claimed civilian, so are the other 5 all military? Is MiX lying?
Also, how convenient that both you and ADK were on the losing wagon, and then got to be on the jury and make up a "majority" to overturn your loss.
Man, a lot to catch up on! And on my busiest meeting day, so while I read everything, I won't have time to process until later tonight.
But ADK and WCD both voting for the jury without ANY DISCUSSION? That as to be one of the more anti town things I've seen.
I can 1/2 understand ADK, being VP, maybe??
But there is NO reason for WCD to vote there so early that is defensible.
Vote: WCD
I'll have to further process to see if I think that's actually the best place for my vote, but it's early in the day, no other votes, so I at least need this to be a sign how upset I am at this...
Man, a lot to catch up on! And on my busiest meeting day, so while I read everything, I won't have time to process until later tonight.
But ADK and WCD both voting for the jury without ANY DISCUSSION? That as to be one of the more anti town things I've seen.
I can 1/2 understand ADK, being VP, maybe??
But there is NO reason for WCD to vote there so early that is defensible.
Vote: WCD
I'll have to further process to see if I think that's actually the best place for my vote, but it's early in the day, no other votes, so I at least need this to be a sign how upset I am at this...
You can be mad, and I get it. To my mind this was all about rectifying what happened yesterday and ALL of the military being deprived of a vote. It's not scummy. It wasn't ill considered. I don't see any reason to let scum have any sway in my decision about MiX, nor do I think I need to justify anything to scum. And the sooner I cast my vote, the sooner we could get on with the day.
Like, if I was on the jury, I was CLEARLY going to vote Guilty no matter what. There's clearly no confusion there.
And yet, I would have been like, "hey, I'm on the jury, I'm definitely voting guilty, what does everyone else think, anything happen overnight?"
I mean, there could have been a cop with a guilty result on MiX! But they didn't even wait for everyone to show up and post. The third jury member was just cast away. Insanely anti-town move.
Alright, it's late, I'm out. Be back tomorrow at some point.
Feel free to just exile me while I'm gone though. Just too frustrated right now to be losing so badly.
I mean, bravo non-town players, though. Well played! MVP will be a tough selection.
Man, a lot to catch up on! And on my busiest meeting day, so while I read everything, I won't have time to process until later tonight.
But ADK and WCD both voting for the jury without ANY DISCUSSION? That as to be one of the more anti town things I've seen.
I can 1/2 understand ADK, being VP, maybe??
But there is NO reason for WCD to vote there so early that is defensible.
Vote: WCD
I'll have to further process to see if I think that's actually the best place for my vote, but it's early in the day, no other votes, so I at least need this to be a sign how upset I am at this...
Hi scum! So who's your scumbuddies? I was thinking Didds, but I guess I was wrong?
Which of those statements do you actually believe? I guess the first one's true?
Also, some of the stuff Swowl and I talked about still contradicted what LL had claimed, if LL is assuming that Swowl was the person whose targeting he'd detected on N2, so that's another thing to puzzle out now we've seen Swowl's flip.
I think having had almost no one die this entire game is making it pretty tough.
Also, some of the stuff Swowl and I talked about still contradicted what LL had claimed, if LL is assuming that Swowl was the person whose targeting he'd detected on N2, so that's another thing to puzzle out now we've seen Swowl's flip.
goodness, Swowl was human, I didn't detect a "blocking" action because I only detect Cylon's actions.
My first power is that I learn random (although it says it depends on the current game state) things passively, I learned that a human aligned can turn cylon aligned (which confirms Awaclus' story) , and I learned what the turning point for military being president without losing their powers is (they lose the order deck and gain day powers, this will be public information once it happens, so I don't think it's relevant. I'll say it if you ask for it though.)
And ADK already claimed non-town.
I had a QT with Swowl last night, for unknown reasons.
The majority of people in this game wanted to exile Jack Rudd. Two civilians wanted to exile MiX. My vote only makes sense.
You can be mad, and I get it. To my mind this was all about rectifying what happened yesterday and ALL of the military being deprived of a vote. It's not scummy. It wasn't ill considered. I don't see any reason to let scum have any sway in my decision about MiX, nor do I think I need to justify anything to scum. And the sooner I cast my vote, the sooner we could get on with the day.
I think you faked all of that because you knew you would not flip from the very beginning. It was your own power, or ADK's power, or your faction's power.
Essentially, it was all planned in case you were the exile, knowing you could plant all sorts of seeds of doubt and misinformation.
(Plus, we already know ADK is not town.)
Which of those statements do you actually believe? I guess the first one's true?
goodness, Swowl was human, I didn't detect a "blocking" action because I only detect Cylon's actions.
Swowl was a jailkeeper and jailkept me on the night before this one
Also, mysteriously absent is you're saying anything about this supposed QT you had with ADK (even a denial, or a denial of its influence in your decision).
So, I'm inclined to think that Mix is 3rd Party. There seems to be an abundance of clues to that throughout everything.
He himself told us he he wants to be alive at the end if the game, saying it was his character arc. But what if instead it's his role itself? I'm starting to think he could be a Survivor.
He seems very focused on staying alive, which is something we all do, but combine his decisions for staying alive, with his decisions that have been anti town. Also the kind of info he has claimed to receive for his power (assuming they are true) would definitely be useful for a Survivor - learning that some human-aligned can convert, that there was 1 Cylon-aligned on a wagon, etc.
The fact that he was not brigged when we voted him could even be a 1 shot power of his; something like, one time, when you are voted to be brigged, you will instead be tried by jury. (this could be the case even if he's not 3rd party, but scum instead)
My last potential reason for this idea is that his character is Baltar. That would be the exact right character for such a role. And we do not that characters have related game effects like this - Roslin started out as President, Helo started out off the Galactica.
I'm starting to think he could be a Survivor.
Also, mysteriously absent is you're saying anything about this supposed QT you had with ADK (even a denial, or a denial of its influence in your decision).
Is this important for folks to know? How would it help us?
I'm rejecting all the conspiracy theories. They are too speculative to be helpful. And WCD voting precipitously seems NAI to me. It's interesting to hear that there was scum on the Jack wagon. I was planning to vote someone from the MiX wagon.
Also, mysteriously absent is you're saying anything about this supposed QT you had with ADK (even a denial, or a denial of its influence in your decision).
Is this important for folks to know? How would it help us?
As the human-aligned juror who didn't get the memo about pre-court talks, I'd quite like to understand why! Like, if you two really had a QT, then I think it's very important for town to understand the reasoning that led both of you to vote the way you did, especially because ADK isn't human-aligned.
That said, if you didn't have a QT with ADK, I'd still like to understand why you sheeped their response so quickly, because it definitely seems anti-town not to have a discussion with actual townspeople involved. Merely saying that the majority of town wasn't voting for MiX really doesn't seem like enough of a reason not to exile to me, especially with so many unanswered questions around.
So Swowl was in two QTs last night? And now he's incapacitated? (not that I'm saying there's necessarily a causal relationship there, just an interesting coincidence)
What I do find more interesting is that LaLight was in this QT buy voted for Didds.
-I feel out-of-game remorse for ending the trial so quickly, because it seemed like a cool mechanic that could have been fun. But I was never going to vote guilty because doing so would directly harm my wincon. I was genuinely surprised that didds voted so quickly, though, and it does make me suspicious of her
-I'm in a Viper Pilot neighborhood with didds, LL, and swowl, that's the QT ash is referring to. swowl claimed on N2 in that neighborhood that he was also in a neighborhood with another player, whose identity he didn't disclose, who he said he was townreading. I'm guessing this is ash, which makes ash a pretty unlikely scum candidate, since he wouldn't want to kill the person who was giving him information
I read ADK's post a couple of times and I confirm everything they're saying.-I'm in a Viper Pilot neighborhood with didds, LL, and swowl, that's the QT ash is referring to. swowl claimed on N2 in that neighborhood that he was also in a neighborhood with another player, whose identity he didn't disclose, who he said he was townreading. I'm guessing this is ash, which makes ash a pretty unlikely scum candidate, since he wouldn't want to kill the person who was giving him information
Swowl was in a QT N3 with Space, and N2 with who you presume is ash...so who were they linked with N1?
I read ADK's post a couple of times and I confirm everything they're saying.-I'm in a Viper Pilot neighborhood with didds, LL, and swowl, that's the QT ash is referring to. swowl claimed on N2 in that neighborhood that he was also in a neighborhood with another player, whose identity he didn't disclose, who he said he was townreading. I'm guessing this is ash, which makes ash a pretty unlikely scum candidate, since he wouldn't want to kill the person who was giving him information
Swowl was in a QT N3 with Space, and N2 with who you presume is ash...so who were they linked with N1?
swowl said he had his mystery qt since the start of the game. Is there a reason to think he was linked with someone N1? I honestly might have missed a claim somewhere
I'm rejecting all the conspiracy theories. They are too speculative to be helpful. And WCD voting precipitously seems NAI to me. It's interesting to hear that there was scum on the Jack wagon. I was planning to vote someone from the MiX wagon.
What do you think of the cases where information doesn't add up, though? Do they make you at least a bit suspicious of the people making those claims?
Those of you who had a QT with Swowl, did he ever tell you who he blocked / protected N1? Because that might help us figure out the no NK on N1.
So how do we explain WCD's actions? WCD knows that ADK is not town-aligned, and yet follows him. What town player blindly follows a non-town player on purpose, without at least discussing it with everyone? Another non-town player, of course.
I wasn't following ADK. He just woke up before I did. I do not have an opinion about ADK's fate. I would rather find scum than third party, but whatevs.
The majority of people in this game wanted to exile Jack Rudd. Two civilians wanted to exile MiX. My vote only makes sense.
So, you are saying that exactly two of {ashersky, LL, Jack, Robz} are civilians. How would you know that?
You are also saying that only one or zero of {MiX, WCD, ADK, scola, EFHW, Space} are civilians, as it only took two civilians to override the larger wagon. How do you also know that?
And mind telling us which is which? MiX claimed civilian, so are the other 5 all military? Is MiX lying?
Also, how convenient that both you and ADK were on the losing wagon, and then got to be on the jury and make up a "majority" to overturn your loss.
Well of {ashersky, LL, Jack, Robz}, I know LL is military, so at least two but could three of the remainder are civilian. I am not sure that it matters. A minority, by a lot, of the people voting were voting for MiX. The majority, by a lot of the people voting were voting for Jack.
Of {MiX, WCD, ADK, scola, EFHW, Space}, I know that WCD, ADK, scola, EFHW, and maybe Space are military. MiX is the civilian, Space could be. That information is from just keeping track of what people have said.
If Space is a civilian, then Ash, Jack, and Robz are all civilian. If Space is military, at least two of them are.
As for convenience that ADK and I were on the jury...salty about a RNG? Or saying it was rigged?
I was in a QT with ADK, Swowl, and LaLight. ADK didn’t convince me, though; Swowl did. And when I saw his flip, I was sold.
Well, enough people have acknowledged their existence.
I learned that there's at least 1 cylon-aligned player in the jack wagon. Which is why I'm voting scola and not jack.
So, if I understand this correctly, either you only detect cylon-aligned people's actions (which isn't what you've said up till now, but would explain why you seem to be implying that Swowl being human-aligned makes a difference), or you really do detect all Cylon-species actions (including actions taken by human-aligned cylons), but then still have some unexplained actions around Swowl's targeting.
Man, a lot to catch up on! And on my busiest meeting day, so while I read everything, I won't have time to process until later tonight.
But ADK and WCD both voting for the jury without ANY DISCUSSION? That as to be one of the more anti town things I've seen.
I can 1/2 understand ADK, being VP, maybe??
But there is NO reason for WCD to vote there so early that is defensible.
Vote: WCD
I'll have to further process to see if I think that's actually the best place for my vote, but it's early in the day, no other votes, so I at least need this to be a sign how upset I am at this...
You can be mad, and I get it. To my mind this was all about rectifying what happened yesterday and ALL of the military being deprived of a vote. It's not scummy. It wasn't ill considered. I don't see any reason to let scum have any sway in my decision about MiX, nor do I think I need to justify anything to scum. And the sooner I cast my vote, the sooner we could get on with the day.
Well, enough people have acknowledged their existence.
I learned that there's at least 1 cylon-aligned player in the jack wagon. Which is why I'm voting scola and not jack.
Is this information good? Not really. Does anyone have anything better? Well, maybe Awaclus or Swowl did.
Also, my executive orders are Curfew, Presidential Pardon and Isolate Colonial One. I'm tempted to pick Isolate Colonial One so I don't die.
You can be mad, and I get it. To my mind this was all about rectifying what happened yesterday and ALL of the military being deprived of a vote. It's not scummy. It wasn't ill considered. I don't see any reason to let scum have any sway in my decision about MiX, nor do I think I need to justify anything to scum. And the sooner I cast my vote, the sooner we could get on with the day.
To be fair, the person you voted to acquit was exactly the same person who disenfranchised somewhere upwards of half the players in the game, so that's not exactly justice.
My vote on Jack was not reflective of whom I think is most likely to be scum, but of what the available choices were at the EoD and looking for information by joining a wagon and seeing reactions. I knew I was military and that my vote didn't count anyway, and so I voted accordingly. Having that vote used as part of the justification for clearing MiX is just kind of frustrating.
I do think you and ADK voting so quickly was very surprising. I would have expect that if you're a townies who presumably doesn't have any extra external information, then canvassing opinion and waiting for night information on MiX would have been the most sensible way forward. So I think either you're already sitting on information you're not telling us (either relating to MiX, to some personal goal, or to something I haven't even thought of) or I agree that it feels really suspicious that you didn't want to see what other info is out there before casting a deciding vote after an alleged non-townie had already voted that way.
I don't get why my power is so confusing, this looks clear to me. I didn't see the "blocking" action. this means that no Cylons used a blocking action on me. This means that either:
- DatSwan didn't use an action on me
- DatSwan is not a Cylon
I don't think he would lie about using an action, therefore he's not a Cylon.
This is it
I also think, unless I missed some other information somewhere, LL's claim has been pretty consistent (and consistently misunderstood [or twisted intentionally I guess] by people). This makes me feel pretty good about LL being town.
I don't get why my power is so confusing, this looks clear to me. I didn't see the "blocking" action. this means that no Cylons used a blocking action on me. This means that either:
- DatSwan didn't use an action on me
- DatSwan is not a Cylon
I don't think he would lie about using an action, therefore he's not a Cylon.
This is it
To confirm just my understanding, we see Swowl had a "blocking, protective" action, and that was a jailkeep according to Swowl claiming to you?
And you did not see a blocking, protective action target you the night that Swowl targeted you, so if Swowl was successful in jailkeeping you, Swowl would need to be a non-cylon.
Is your thing passive or active? I wonder if being jailkept would have blocked it from working.
What exactly did you see that night?
I'm starting to think he could be a Survivor.
Yeah, I've been considering that too (complete with the speculation about the jury-of-peers thing being part of the role), but I feel like him outright saying that he wants to be alive at the end is too close to his actual role to be a fake-claim that would stand any chance of throwing us off his tracks, if that's what we think it might be. I do agree that MiX has been kind of broadcasting 3rd party vibes for quite a while, though.
@MiX, how early in this game did you learn that ADK was third-party?
@ADK, are you going to openly confirm your status, or do you claim that MiX is lying?
Right, so where did the protective come from? There's some other Cylon doctor type out there? (and with Human swowl, you were doubly protected?)
(plus who tried to kill you? If it were scum, then who incapacitated Awaclus?)
Bolded and upsized something with which I strongly disagree.
I'm rejecting all the conspiracy theories. They are too speculative to be helpful. And WCD voting precipitously seems NAI to me. It's interesting to hear that there was scum on the Jack wagon. I was planning to vote someone from the MiX wagon.
What do you think of the cases where information doesn't add up, though? Do they make you at least a bit suspicious of the people making those claims?
Which claims don't add up?
I'm rejecting all the conspiracy theories. They are too speculative to be helpful. And WCD voting precipitously seems NAI to me. It's interesting to hear that there was scum on the Jack wagon. I was planning to vote someone from the MiX wagon.
What do you think of the cases where information doesn't add up, though? Do they make you at least a bit suspicious of the people making those claims?
Which claims don't add up?
Swowl flipped as a character who's a cylon in BSG, and had openly said he believed himself to be a Cylon. Then LL says he can detect cylon targets, but the two claims about what precisely targeted LL don't match up. That, plus LL's power wasn't originally described as having evolved from N1 onwards, but the claim was later partially retconned so that on D1 he only knew he'd been targeted by a cylon, but later on he got to know the action type.
I think it's plausible that LL has been lying, or at least only partially reporting something about his role that suits some personal agenda. Otherwise we have a human-species cylon character, and simultaneously we have rather too many unexplained NK actions on the night that LL claims he was targeted by a cylon and then also Awaclus was incapacitated.
I'm starting to think he could be a Survivor.
Yeah, I've been considering that too (complete with the speculation about the jury-of-peers thing being part of the role), but I feel like him outright saying that he wants to be alive at the end is too close to his actual role to be a fake-claim that would stand any chance of throwing us off his tracks, if that's what we think it might be. I do agree that MiX has been kind of broadcasting 3rd party vibes for quite a while, though.
@MiX, how early in this game did you learn that ADK was third-party?
@ADK, are you going to openly confirm your status, or do you claim that MiX is lying?
Actually one more piece that doesn't quite add up: Mix claimed his two powers were getting random factoids and running the Cylon test. But the cylon test didn't exist until the 2nd day. So at the start of the game, Mix's role in an RMM would be town with a simple passive power and that's it.
However, if we consider Survivor MiX, then a 2nd passive (but big) power, being able to possibly escape a brigging, plus an alternative win condition? That sounds much more like an RMM to me.
And I could imagine that gaining the Cylon testing machine power wasn't a character power, but an artifact of his being president at the start of D2. Maybe it's a President / VP thing?
(would that it had been a President / Fleet Admiral thing, but I can say it's not me who has the test power).
OR maybe it's just the President, and it works completely differently, but MiX leading us to believe it's a 2 person thing, would allow him to steer our understanding of the results in a way that favors his survival.
how about a massclaim?
I'm starting to think he could be a Survivor.
Yeah, I've been considering that too (complete with the speculation about the jury-of-peers thing being part of the role), but I feel like him outright saying that he wants to be alive at the end is too close to his actual role to be a fake-claim that would stand any chance of throwing us off his tracks, if that's what we think it might be. I do agree that MiX has been kind of broadcasting 3rd party vibes for quite a while, though.
@MiX, how early in this game did you learn that ADK was third-party?
@ADK, are you going to openly confirm your status, or do you claim that MiX is lying?
Actually one more piece that doesn't quite add up: Mix claimed his two powers were getting random factoids and running the Cylon test. But the cylon test didn't exist until the 2nd day. So at the start of the game, Mix's role in an RMM would be town with a simple passive power and that's it.
However, if we consider Survivor MiX, then a 2nd passive (but big) power, being able to possibly escape a brigging, plus an alternative win condition? That sounds much more like an RMM to me.
And I could imagine that gaining the Cylon testing machine power wasn't a character power, but an artifact of his being president at the start of D2. Maybe it's a President / VP thing?
(would that it had been a President / Fleet Admiral thing, but I can say it's not me who has the test power).
OR maybe it's just the President, and it works completely differently, but MiX leading us to believe it's a 2 person thing, would allow him to steer our understanding of the results in a way that favors his survival.
I can explain this: I had the ability to choose "human" or "cylon" N1 for the cylon testing machine, but I didn't know what it meant. I only learned D2 how the machine works (that is, how it's influenced by my decision at night).how about a massclaim?
I agree with this.
Can you restate your other power? The one that isn't watcher on yourself.
I was in a QT with ADK, Swowl, and LaLight. ADK didn’t convince me, though; Swowl did. And when I saw his flip, I was sold.
Fairly sure the bolded is a lie. Like, 93% sure.
do you*
eh, I broke the meme
Swowl has been incapacitated. They were Sharon "Boomer" Valerii, and they were human-aligned. They had the following types of powers:Quote
- 2-shot, blocking, protective
- miscellaneous, investigative, passive
- miscellaneous, passive
Awaclus has been incapacitated! They were Billy Keikeya, and they were human-aligned. They had the following powers:Quote
- 2-shot, investigative
- 1-shot, miscellaneous
LaLight:
Mathdude:
I was in a QT with ADK, Swowl, and LaLight. ADK didn’t convince me, though; Swowl did. And when I saw his flip, I was sold.
Fairly sure the bolded is a lie. Like, 93% sure.
I will say that swowl expressed a pretty strong townread on mix in the viper qt. Whether it's plausible that that convinced didds is another story
Well, enough people have acknowledged their existence.
I learned that there's at least 1 cylon-aligned player in the jack wagon. Which is why I'm voting scola and not jack.
Is this information good? Not really. Does anyone have anything better? Well, maybe Awaclus or Swowl did.
Also, my executive orders are Curfew, Presidential Pardon and Isolate Colonial One. I'm tempted to pick Isolate Colonial One so I don't die.
I believe Curfew is the only pro-town option out of those three. The other two are strictly Pro-MiX.
do you*
eh, I broke the memeSwowl has been incapacitated. They were Sharon "Boomer" Valerii, and they were human-aligned. They had the following types of powers:Quote
- 2-shot, blocking, protective
- miscellaneous, investigative, passive
- miscellaneous, passive
I have 3 powers, so town better start claiming results!Awaclus has been incapacitated! They were Billy Keikeya, and they were human-aligned. They had the following powers:Quote
- 2-shot, investigative
- 1-shot, miscellaneous
I only have 2!QuoteLaLight:
I only have 1, what are you talking about?QuoteMathdude:
Wait, you guys can use powers?
MiX are you planning on keeping ADK as VP or changing to someone else?
Vote: ADK
I feel like in every other game I've played, there has been a strong tendency to kill self-confessed third-party folks.
Man, where is everybody? Are all of you now in super secret QTs and just posting there? Hello?!?
Man, where is everybody? Are all of you now in super secret QTs and just posting there? Hello?!?
I'm here, what's up?
Man, where is everybody? Are all of you now in super secret QTs and just posting there? Hello?!?
I'm here, what's up?
Well, since it's just you and me here, want to tell me your win condition? :)
On a more serious note, who do you think MiX should pick for his next VP? And what makes you so convinced that Mix is town? Is there any merit to my Survivor MiX idea?
OK, one more, are you (as VP) the other half of the Cylon test detector?
My first power is that I learn random (although it says it depends on the current game state) things passively, I learned that a human aligned can turn cylon aligned (which confirms Awaclus' story) , and I learned what the turning point for military being president without losing their powers is (they lose the order deck and gain day powers, this will be public information once it happens, so I don't think it's relevant. I'll say it if you ask for it though.)
Consider me asking... I'd guess it's actually more relevant than your telling us, since my going assumption was that ADK didn't want to be president to avoid this turning point. But it doesn't actually sound that bad from their perspective...
Mix, did you miss this?My first power is that I learn random (although it says it depends on the current game state) things passively, I learned that a human aligned can turn cylon aligned (which confirms Awaclus' story) , and I learned what the turning point for military being president without losing their powers is (they lose the order deck and gain day powers, this will be public information once it happens, so I don't think it's relevant. I'll say it if you ask for it though.)
Consider me asking... I'd guess it's actually more relevant than your telling us, since my going assumption was that ADK didn't want to be president to avoid this turning point. But it doesn't actually sound that bad from their perspective...
Also, yesterday you kept waiting and waiting for robz to check in before you were going to reveal something? What was it (I assume you revealed it in the info dump) and why was it important to wait for Robz?
Huh, Robz's re-appearance hasn't exactly sparked confidence that he's townie about about to provide a whole lot of useful takes.
In fact, third-party-voting instead of scum-hunting seems vaguely scummy, as does an undercontributing Robz.
Vote: Robz
We could also consider whether Robz might be a good nominee for the cylon detector today, by way of prompting him to engage a bit more.. unless anyone else has suggestions?
I'm gaius baltar, and you have killed the person that God was personally controlling to make humans win. we are going to lose very horribly.What did you mean here? How is God controlling you?
ADK's win condition is a secret.
Any questions?
I read ADK's post a couple of times and I confirm everything they're saying.Why presume it was ash?-I'm in a Viper Pilot neighborhood with didds, LL, and swowl, that's the QT ash is referring to. swowl claimed on N2 in that neighborhood that he was also in a neighborhood with another player, whose identity he didn't disclose, who he said he was townreading. I'm guessing this is ash, which makes ash a pretty unlikely scum candidate, since he wouldn't want to kill the person who was giving him information
Swowl was in a QT N3 with Space, and N2 with who you presume is ash...so who were they linked with N1?
Hi!
I am completely swamped at work, so this is based on skimming...
So, Mix says he has a result that one of these folks is cylon-aligned?
Jack Rudd (6): MiX, WestCoastDidds, A Drowned Kernel, scolapasta, EFHW, SpaceAnemone
So, for me its one of the last three. Space seems the least likely.
MiX, why scola over EFHW?
Interesting, Scola, you are doing with EFHW exactly what you accused me of.
Hi!
I am completely swamped at work, so this is based on skimming...
So, Mix says he has a result that one of these folks is cylon-aligned?
Jack Rudd (6): MiX, WestCoastDidds, A Drowned Kernel, scolapasta, EFHW, SpaceAnemone
So, for me its one of the last three. Space seems the least likely.
MiX, why scola over EFHW?
I'm gaius baltar, and you have killed the person that God was personally controlling to make humans win. we are going to lose very horribly.What did you mean here? How is God controlling you?
ADK's win condition is a secret.
Any questions?
MiX, could you give us a run down in order of the tidbits of info you've been receiving as part of your power?
I read ADK's post a couple of times and I confirm everything they're saying.Why presume it was ash?-I'm in a Viper Pilot neighborhood with didds, LL, and swowl, that's the QT ash is referring to. swowl claimed on N2 in that neighborhood that he was also in a neighborhood with another player, whose identity he didn't disclose, who he said he was townreading. I'm guessing this is ash, which makes ash a pretty unlikely scum candidate, since he wouldn't want to kill the person who was giving him information
Swowl was in a QT N3 with Space, and N2 with who you presume is ash...so who were they linked with N1?
re: Jack wagon, I'm thinking Didds or scola. It feels to me that Didds had too many reasons for the precipitous vote.
On the MiX wagon, I'm thinking Jack or Robz.
This is a little bit random, but I’m going to kind of claim one of my powers because it could be helpful. I could ascertain whether or not ADK’s wincon is compatible with town’s. It’s a one shot power, and it’s not limited to just that question, but the answer can’t be tampered with, so I would know it’s truthful. If he can win with town, we should definitely try to find scum today instead of that, but if he’s 3rd party that straight up can’t win with town, it’s probably not a bad idea to eliminate him earlier rather than later.
I’ll wait for opinions before actually taking an action. Also, my understanding is that I can use it any time during the game as opposed to at night, so if I’m not mistaken we can know that before EOD.
This is a little bit random, but I’m going to kind of claim one of my powers because it could be helpful. I could ascertain whether or not ADK’s wincon is compatible with town’s. It’s a one shot power, and it’s not limited to just that question, but the answer can’t be tampered with, so I would know it’s truthful. If he can win with town, we should definitely try to find scum today instead of that, but if he’s 3rd party that straight up can’t win with town, it’s probably not a bad idea to eliminate him earlier rather than later.
I’ll wait for opinions before actually taking an action. Also, my understanding is that I can use it any time during the game as opposed to at night, so if I’m not mistaken we can know that before EOD.
If your power can really be used for that, then I'm in favor of it being used for it
This is a little bit random, but I’m going to kind of claim one of my powers because it could be helpful. I could ascertain whether or not ADK’s wincon is compatible with town’s. It’s a one shot power, and it’s not limited to just that question, but the answer can’t be tampered with, so I would know it’s truthful. If he can win with town, we should definitely try to find scum today instead of that, but if he’s 3rd party that straight up can’t win with town, it’s probably not a bad idea to eliminate him earlier rather than later.
I’ll wait for opinions before actually taking an action. Also, my understanding is that I can use it any time during the game as opposed to at night, so if I’m not mistaken we can know that before EOD.
If your power can really be used for that, then I'm in favor of it being used for it
Hi!
I am completely swamped at work, so this is based on skimming...
So, Mix says he has a result that one of these folks is cylon-aligned?
Jack Rudd (6): MiX, WestCoastDidds, A Drowned Kernel, scolapasta, EFHW, SpaceAnemone
So, for me its one of the last three. Space seems the least likely.
MiX, why scola over EFHW?
I'm gaius baltar, and you have killed the person that God was personally controlling to make humans win. we are going to lose very horribly.What did you mean here? How is God controlling you?
ADK's win condition is a secret.
Any questions?
Flavor, you can read in the wiki Gaius Baltar's whole character arc, it's spoilers and not very relevant I think. It's about Baltar thinking God is somehow affecting him through Head Six or something (and Head Six is a voice he hears that resembles a cylon he got intimate with that was kinda the whole reason the attack on the colonies worked). I know more but it's spoilers, really just read it.
This is a little bit random, but I’m going to kind of claim one of my powers because it could be helpful. I could ascertain whether or not ADK’s wincon is compatible with town’s. It’s a one shot power, and it’s not limited to just that question, but the answer can’t be tampered with, so I would know it’s truthful. If he can win with town, we should definitely try to find scum today instead of that, but if he’s 3rd party that straight up can’t win with town, it’s probably not a bad idea to eliminate him earlier rather than later.
I’ll wait for opinions before actually taking an action. Also, my understanding is that I can use it any time during the game as opposed to at night, so if I’m not mistaken we can know that before EOD.
I was being dramatic. I don't see how my own conclusions of who Gaius Baltar is are relevant to the game (although I'd love to talk about it if I ever end up watching the show).
More like, why scola over you? I feel like the kills have been revolving around scola. Awaclus was fighting him, and Swowl was saying a bunch of things related to scola that I can't remember right now. I don't really have a reason other than that.
N1 I learned that it's possible a human-aligned player can become cylon-aligned.
N2 I learned what happened if a military became president and didn't revoke their powers.
N3 I learned that there's at least 1 cylon-aligned player in the Jack wagon.
This is a little bit random, but I’m going to kind of claim one of my powers because it could be helpful. I could ascertain whether or not ADK’s wincon is compatible with town’s. It’s a one shot power, and it’s not limited to just that question, but the answer can’t be tampered with, so I would know it’s truthful. If he can win with town, we should definitely try to find scum today instead of that, but if he’s 3rd party that straight up can’t win with town, it’s probably not a bad idea to eliminate him earlier rather than later.
I’ll wait for opinions before actually taking an action. Also, my understanding is that I can use it any time during the game as opposed to at night, so if I’m not mistaken we can know that before EOD.
Personally, I'm not voting for Scola. I know he's suspicious of me for appearing to white-knighting him or whatever, but honestly he just says stuff I agree with most of the time, and I have to assume that a scum player wouldn't say the same things so naturally. Meanwhile, I have much less to agree with from either you (Didds) or EFHW. [I started writing this post a few hours ago, before making the post where I just agreed with EFHW...]
It's also worth noting that "at least one on-wagon cylon-aligned player" could mean "exactly one on-wagon cylon-aligned player", and there were six people on-wagon and six off-wagon. If we expect there to be three cylon-aligned players (I don't know if this is accurate; the balance probably depends what other alignments and switching mechanics faust built into the game), then there could easily still be a stronger chance of hitting a cylon-aligned player if we look off-wagon than if we look on it.
I was being dramatic. I don't see how my own conclusions of who Gaius Baltar is are relevant to the game (although I'd love to talk about it if I ever end up watching the show).
Okay, so I think all EFHW was looking for in her question was the response that you were being dramatic, and that there's no game-mechanic relating to you being some kind of Chosen One. It's quite an odd reading of Baltar, so I think it's entirely reasonable for someone to ask what your statement meant.
As for what your reading of your character tells us, I think there's probably something there, if I knew how to interpret it according to which parts of a complex character you seem to have latched on to. My difficulty right now is just that I don't know whether your focus on the "God's chosen one" stuff means you honestly think that because you're town!Baltar then you assume he must be good at the core and so take the most forgiving reading possible on him, or whether you've drawn scum!Baltar (or 3p!Baltar), and have read all the background and carefully filed anything you thought you could use to make it sound like you're a good guy after all.
For anyone else who doesn't know the show, Baltar sided with the cylons against humans several times for his own interests. If I'd made a list ahead of time of characters most likely to be human but working on the side of the cylons, Baltar would be at the top. (Though as I said before, Baltar makes plenty of sense as a 3p, since he doesn't really have any loyalties beyond himself).
Like someone else already said, maybe Space, it seems weird to me that Dylan thought ADK would be the best use of his power. Hoping we'll hear back from him soon.
But the chances of knowing someone is 3rd party seem small, and guessing is no good with a 1 shot power.Like someone else already said, maybe Space, it seems weird to me that Dylan thought ADK would be the best use of his power. Hoping we'll hear back from him soon.
It's only weird because we don't know what the power is. If it is 3rd party specific, well, it's not weird at all to think ADK would be the best target.
Since our characters' alignments are expected to change over the course of the games, we can't assume that flavor represents alignment. Otherwise, Baltar would absolutely be an obvious 3rd party. But come to think of it, MiX would likely have been given a safeclaim for situations such as this one.
But the chances of knowing someone is 3rd party seem small, and guessing is no good with a 1 shot power.Like someone else already said, maybe Space, it seems weird to me that Dylan thought ADK would be the best use of his power. Hoping we'll hear back from him soon.
It's only weird because we don't know what the power is. If it is 3rd party specific, well, it's not weird at all to think ADK would be the best target.
Can we massclaim? I'm slowly losing my sanity this game, and I doubt I'm the only one.
I'm also fine with massclaim.
3. As a general rule you should aim for one post every 12 hours, minimum, to keep the game moving.
I don't agree with mass-claiming yet, for two main reasons:
1. We're definitely not as far through this game as we would expect to be in terms of the number of nights and the number of posts. We're maybe in a D3 sort of scenario, and sure, that's when in a normal game we might start to consider claims, but with all the extra mechanics, I think this game already has lots of info that we can work our way through (e.g. the discussion that we started around Dylan's claimed power) before we have to resort to that.
2. The push for claims is being let by a small subset of the game, one of whom is claimed non-town, so I think it at least needs more discussion before people go ahead and claim.
I'm fine scum-reading Robz a bit more for just going along with it. He's either utterly disengaged town, or he's scum and this is a scum-driven ploy to move us away from a scenario where we have more discussion around using Dylan's supposed power on Robz instead of on ADK. I'm also not sure what to make of the fact that Robz is claiming powers without claiming a character name, when my understanding of full-claiming was definitely that the role name would be entirely relevant to claim.
Okay. I have two night actions: I can find out whether someone is civilian or military, and I can also protect someone from a killing action.
Okay. I have two night actions: I can find out whether someone is civilian or military, and I can also protect someone from a killing action.
Interesting, Scola, you are doing with EFHW exactly what you accused me of.
What is it that I'm doing?
Okay. I have two night actions: I can find out whether someone is civilian or military, and I can also protect someone from a killing action.
did you protect me?
Okay. I have two night actions: I can find out whether someone is civilian or military, and I can also protect someone from a killing action.
This is like the most generic claim ever. What character are you supposed to be?
Okay. I have two night actions: I can find out whether someone is civilian or military, and I can also protect someone from a killing action.
This is like the most generic claim ever. What character are you supposed to be?
I agree. Robz, why should we not vote for you?
Related, but separate, ADK, are you willing to reveal your character name?
Okay. I have two night actions: I can find out whether someone is civilian or military, and I can also protect someone from a killing action.
This is like the most generic claim ever. What character are you supposed to be?
I agree. Robz, why should we not vote for you?
Related, but separate, ADK, are you willing to reveal your character name?
Yes. I'm Lee Adama
faust, can you confirm that this aspect of the setup is still true? Meaning that in this game alignment is consistent with flavor and that safeclaims have been made available.This question is too vague for me to give any sort of answer. What is written in the setup post clearly still holds true.
Curfew
For any action a player takes the following Night, they will take one fewer vote to exile on the Day after.
vote: MiX, obviously. Curfew is a gambit
While it does seem early for massclaiming, the game needs jump-starting so I am in favor.
Ok, a little bit more detail about my power. I can basically come up with a yes no question in my QT and then get a truthful answer. So what if we did something like any of the set {x y z} (cylon-aligned/not human-aligned)? (parenthetical options for if you want to filter out 3rd party or include them in the results)
I could probably ask something setup related too if there was a more helpful bit of info we could come up with, but I feel like using it as a weird cop might be most directly helpful right now. That would at least give us some results to work with right now since no one else has rushed forwards with anything yet.
Is the viper QT during the day or just at night? If any group has daychat, that could explain the infrequent posting, though that's not my excuse.
Ok, a little bit more detail about my power. I can basically come up with a yes no question in my QT and then get a truthful answer. So what if we did something like any of the set {x y z} (cylon-aligned/not human-aligned)? (parenthetical options for if you want to filter out 3rd party or include them in the results)
I could probably ask something setup related too if there was a more helpful bit of info we could come up with, but I feel like using it as a weird cop might be most directly helpful right now. That would at least give us some results to work with right now since no one else has rushed forwards with anything yet.
Ask if your top scumread is cylon-aligned. Ask if at least 1 of your 2 top scumreads are cylon-aligned. Ask if there's at least 2 cylon-aligned players in my D3 wagon (by explicitly naming people). Ask if there's at least 2 cylon-aligned players in the Jack D3 wagon. Ask if Jack is cylon-aligned.
vote: MiX, obviously. Curfew is a gambit
That was not intentional. Turns out trying to make town decide on an order just means they will do nothing.
But hey, it's what ash wanted!
MiX/WCD/Space? MiX/WCD/Jack?
Or are any of the viper pilots cylon-aligned? If so, y’all could off us one by one.
Or was any member of the jury cylon-aligned?
I'm Cally. One of my least favorite characters!
While it does seem early for massclaiming, the game needs jump-starting so I am in favor.
Claim then! What are you waiting for?
While it does seem early for massclaiming, the game needs jump-starting so I am in favor.
Claim then! What are you waiting for?
Usually we set an order. But I'm fine with claiming. I'm Dee and I set up the QT's between LL and scola and Space and Swowl. I also have the two-shot option to make a player unable to post in their QT's for a night and a day.
While it does seem early for massclaiming, the game needs jump-starting so I am in favor.
Claim then! What are you waiting for?
Usually we set an order. But I'm fine with claiming. I'm Dee and I set up the QT's between LL and scola and Space and Swowl. I also have the two-shot option to make a player unable to post in their QT's for a night and a day.
...Who? Can you give me a full name?
There's been 3 night, why have you setup only 2 QTs?
I'm Cally. One of my least favorite characters!
While it does seem early for massclaiming, the game needs jump-starting so I am in favor.
Claim then! What are you waiting for?
Usually we set an order. But I'm fine with claiming. I'm Dee and I set up the QT's between LL and scola and Space and Swowl. I also have the two-shot option to make a player unable to post in their QT's for a night and a day.
I'm Cally. One of my least favorite characters!
Your powers don't really seem related to your character. That and you ignored by why shouldn't I vote for you question.
Vote: Robz
I'm Cally. One of my least favorite characters!
Your powers don't really seem related to your character. That and you ignored by why shouldn't I vote for you question.
Vote: Robz
Okay, two unvotes might not have been necessary. Sorry. Will probably reinstate my vote once I've posted some other thoughts.
And if you're going to make up a false claim, Dee is a relatively minor enough character and I think all the other military characters have claimed. So it's "safe".
Ok, a little bit more detail about my power. I can basically come up with a yes no question in my QT and then get a truthful answer. So what if we did something like any of the set {x y z} (cylon-aligned/not human-aligned)? (parenthetical options for if you want to filter out 3rd party or include them in the results)
I could probably ask something setup related too if there was a more helpful bit of info we could come up with, but I feel like using it as a weird cop might be most directly helpful right now. That would at least give us some results to work with right now since no one else has rushed forwards with anything yet.
Ok, a little bit more detail about my power. I can basically come up with a yes no question in my QT and then get a truthful answer. So what if we did something like any of the set {x y z} (cylon-aligned/not human-aligned)? (parenthetical options for if you want to filter out 3rd party or include them in the results)
I could probably ask something setup related too if there was a more helpful bit of info we could come up with, but I feel like using it as a weird cop might be most directly helpful right now. That would at least give us some results to work with right now since no one else has rushed forwards with anything yet.
I like this, though we should consider whether it's better information if we ask whether there's an even number of cylon-aligned players in a given group (where zero counts as even), rather than just if there's one or more. If we make the group contain the top three or four universally-agreed (ish) scumreads, that might be quite useful information as the game gets smaller. PoE for town in that group would also be useful, which is why I'm erring on thinking the group might be better off being a little more than just the top one or two scumreads. Does anyone else have thoughts on that?
While it does seem early for massclaiming, the game needs jump-starting so I am in favor.
Claim then! What are you waiting for?
Usually we set an order. But I'm fine with claiming. I'm Dee and I set up the QT's between LL and scola and Space and Swowl. I also have the two-shot option to make a player unable to post in their QT's for a night and a day.
...Who? Can you give me a full name?
There's been 3 night, why have you setup only 2 QTs?
Dee = Anastasia Dualla.
I'm Saul Tigh.
I like this, though we should consider whether it's better information if we ask whether there's an even number of cylon-aligned players in a given group (where zero counts as even), rather than just if there's one or more. If we make the group contain the top three or four universally-agreed (ish) scumreads, that might be quite useful information as the game gets smaller. PoE for town in that group would also be useful, which is why I'm erring on thinking the group might be better off being a little more than just the top one or two scumreads. Does anyone else have thoughts on that?
Even seems counterproductive for using information to guide our actions: If we learn a "yes" on even, do we exile in that group? Chances are there's no scum, but there could be two...it just makes things complicated. And given my result, I think if we crossreference 2 groups of people that can have scum, we get a pretty good pool to exile in.
One possible interesting idea would be to do something deliberate with the overlap between the tested set and the set from the Jack wagon. I'm not quite sure what, but the obvious options are either have them all in, all out, or split the group cleanly in two. I feel like there's an information-theory entropy question somewhere here. Anyone else feeling like that? I can't remember whether there are any other maths/information types around in this game, though the usual suspects of Calamitas, faust and gkrieg are sadly absent from the player side of the list!
I approach the game from a more snowball approach: if we get 1 scum flip, the game should open up much more than the extra information a more detailed question gives. And I also think having information that we can act on (I don't know if there's a better term for this).
If there's 3 scum in the "odd scum" group, I think they just win: we exile in that group, they redirect the exile to the scummiest of them, they flip scum, the other 2 are basically shielded for a while, and then they can exile town until it's too late.
One last post before sleep: I'm Felix Gaeta.
Are Scola and Dylan now the only people not to have claimed, or at least strongly implied, a particular character?
One last post before sleep: I'm Felix Gaeta.
Are Scola and Dylan now the only people not to have claimed, or at least strongly implied, a particular character?
One last post before sleep: I'm Felix Gaeta.
Are Scola and Dylan now the only people not to have claimed, or at least strongly implied, a particular character?
I have to put the order in during the day and Day 2 I missed deadline bc of the other game.While it does seem early for massclaiming, the game needs jump-starting so I am in favor.
Claim then! What are you waiting for?
Usually we set an order. But I'm fine with claiming. I'm Dee and I set up the QT's between LL and scola and Space and Swowl. I also have the two-shot option to make a player unable to post in their QT's for a night and a day.
...Who? Can you give me a full name?
There's been 3 night, why have you setup only 2 QTs?
Yeah when I heard about the viper qt, my role seemed pretty minor.While it does seem early for massclaiming, the game needs jump-starting so I am in favor.
Claim then! What are you waiting for?
Usually we set an order. But I'm fine with claiming. I'm Dee and I set up the QT's between LL and scola and Space and Swowl. I also have the two-shot option to make a player unable to post in their QT's for a night and a day.
Well, your powers do fit your role, as Dee was a communications officer. That said, I could also see these as scum powers, since we know that there's a Viper QT. And if you're going to make up a false claim, Dee is a relatively minor enough character and I think all the other military characters have claimed. So it's "safe".
vote: MiX, obviously. Curfew is a gambit
That was not intentional. Turns out trying to make town decide on an order just means they will do nothing.
But hey, it's what ash wanted!
Does anyone have a specifically 1-shot power? No need to claim what it is, just wondering.
I suggest LL/MiX/Didds
Does anyone have a specifically 1-shot power? No need to claim what it is, just wondering.
I like this, though we should consider whether it's better information if we ask whether there's an even number of cylon-aligned players in a given group (where zero counts as even), rather than just if there's one or more.
Also, all the Robz unvotes were super super bad.
Does anyone have a specifically 1-shot power? No need to claim what it is, just wondering.
I do
Does anyone have a specifically 1-shot power? No need to claim what it is, just wondering.
I was originally thinking we should choose the scummiest players. But now I think we should choose the towniest. And maybe just two people. Two IC's is awesome, and if we get an answer that there is someone clyon aligned/non-town, it takes fewer exiles to track them down.
I suggest Space and Dylan. Space for towniness and Dylan so we know whether to believe the result we get.
Really sorry for my pathetic performance here, people, but I am not mafia.
Right. Oh well.I was originally thinking we should choose the scummiest players. But now I think we should choose the towniest. And maybe just two people. Two IC's is awesome, and if we get an answer that there is someone clyon aligned/non-town, it takes fewer exiles to track them down.
I suggest Space and Dylan. Space for towniness and Dylan so we know whether to believe the result we get.
How would putting Dylan in there make a difference? Assuming space is town, Dylan would say no cylon-aligned either way.
We also still have to worry about cylons (or human, for that matter; though I still think flavor makes that significantly less likely) that can turn into Cylon-aligned, so we won't have full ICs, either way.
I was originally thinking we should choose the scummiest players. But now I think we should choose the towniest. And maybe just two people. Two IC's is awesome, and if we get an answer that there is someone clyon aligned/non-town, it takes fewer exiles to track them down.
I suggest Space and Dylan. Space for towniness and Dylan so we know whether to believe the result we get.
I was originally thinking we should choose the scummiest players. But now I think we should choose the towniest. And maybe just two people. Two IC's is awesome, and if we get an answer that there is someone clyon aligned/non-town, it takes fewer exiles to track them down.
I suggest Space and Dylan. Space for towniness and Dylan so we know whether to believe the result we get.
If Dylan is scum he’s not going to give us the real result. Upon further reflection, this feels like an attempt to get Dylan to waste his question.
Vote: EFHW
PPE 1
I like this, though we should consider whether it's better information if we ask whether there's an even number of cylon-aligned players in a given group (where zero counts as even), rather than just if there's one or more.
I must be missing something. This question seems less useful because we could end up with a "yes" meaning two or none of the group are cylon-aligned.
@EFHW, you targeted LaLight on D1, and he reported knowing that he'd been targeted by a cylon that day. I feel like this is something we should address, especially since Dee isn't a canon cylon.
I know the cylon detector is potentially broken today, but I still feel like from a game design point of view there's a reasonable chance of a third player sharing the calibration duties, so would it be sensible to propose that you submit yourself for testing anyway? I figure it's a waste not to test anyone at all, even if it might just be defaulting to what I set it to if MiX really is the only other player able to use it.
@EFHW, you targeted LaLight on D1, and he reported knowing that he'd been targeted by a cylon that day. I feel like this is something we should address, especially since Dee isn't a canon cylon.
I know the cylon detector is potentially broken today, but I still feel like from a game design point of view there's a reasonable chance of a third player sharing the calibration duties, so would it be sensible to propose that you submit yourself for testing anyway? I figure it's a waste not to test anyone at all, even if it might just be defaulting to what I set it to if MiX really is the only other player able to use it.
Oh, you're the other person behind it? So did you pick the same things as me?
@EFHW, you targeted LaLight on D1, and he reported knowing that he'd been targeted by a cylon that day. I feel like this is something we should address, especially since Dee isn't a canon cylon.
I know the cylon detector is potentially broken today, but I still feel like from a game design point of view there's a reasonable chance of a third player sharing the calibration duties, so would it be sensible to propose that you submit yourself for testing anyway? I figure it's a waste not to test anyone at all, even if it might just be defaulting to what I set it to if MiX really is the only other player able to use it.
Oh, you're the other person behind it? So did you pick the same things as me?
Ah, yes, I was originally going to give a longer claim last night, but then I figured we might as well wait for the full round of flavour claims first, and also it was late and I didn't want to post too much while tired in case I regretted it later.
I think I very, very softly revealed it already in that I've agree with almost all Scola's criticisms off you, bar the case about your power not existing N1, because of course my power was different for the first night too. I didn't actually try using it N1 because it was all a bit unclear, so didn't seem to be worthwhile with curfew in effect.
N2 I set it to "human". I'd prefer not to reveal what I set it to last night before someone tries testing today. It's possible that another player will come forward and say that they also have that power, since I think giving it to only two of us is kind of swingy in a game where presumably faust thought we'd be exiling and incapacitating people at a higher rate than this.
Oh, whaaaaat, you get a power that is unknown and you do nothing with it? Awwww.
There's actually no roles that care about human or cylon (I guess LL's, but theirs also detects), so this power seems a bit useless...I guess we're supposed to exile cylons?
I am in perfect agreement with the group, except the question should be "are there at least 2 cylon-aligned players in the group". This way we get to exile in the group that has the most amount of scum right off the bat, and after a scum flip we have 2 groups, each of them have 1 scum.
I think the only difference between what I said and what Space said is that instead of doing a 0/1 cylons group and a 2/3 cylon group, Space does a 0/2 cylon group and a 1/3 cylon group. I'm not sure how this added complexity helps us. I'd wager that knowing where the majority of scum are is enough of an upside to do my suggestion over Space's suggestion.
Wait a second: Space, shouldn't the group with Dylan be the bigger one?
I agree that if there is anyone else who had control of the cylon tester, they should claim now.
If they don't, fairly safe assumption that either MiX is lying or the hidden person is not town.
This is a little bit random, but I’m going to kind of claim one of my powers because it could be helpful. I could ascertain whether or not ADK’s wincon is compatible with town’s. It’s a one shot power, and it’s not limited to just that question, but the answer can’t be tampered with, so I would know it’s truthful. If he can win with town, we should definitely try to find scum today instead of that, but if he’s 3rd party that straight up can’t win with town, it’s probably not a bad idea to eliminate him earlier rather than later.
I’ll wait for opinions before actually taking an action. Also, my understanding is that I can use it any time during the game as opposed to at night, so if I’m not mistaken we can know that before EOD.
If your power can really be used for that, then I'm in favor of it being used for it
This power could rule out serial killer, but ADK being something like a survivor isn't all that comforting. They could still side against town at any moment. We know they are not exclusively town-aligned, or they wouldn't be a third party. So it's just ruling out their being completely evil. People with those roles don't tend to want as much attention as ADK has drawn on themself.
It would help to hear more about your power if you can do it without quoting.
This is a little bit random, but I’m going to kind of claim one of my powers because it could be helpful. I could ascertain whether or not ADK’s wincon is compatible with town’s. It’s a one shot power, and it’s not limited to just that question, but the answer can’t be tampered with, so I would know it’s truthful. If he can win with town, we should definitely try to find scum today instead of that, but if he’s 3rd party that straight up can’t win with town, it’s probably not a bad idea to eliminate him earlier rather than later.
I’ll wait for opinions before actually taking an action. Also, my understanding is that I can use it any time during the game as opposed to at night, so if I’m not mistaken we can know that before EOD.
If your power can really be used for that, then I'm in favor of it being used for it
Hmm.. I'm not so sure that's optimal if the shot really can just take any player and say whether their wincon is compatible with town's.
We already have a lot of information on ADK's interactions. If ADK flips as something that isn't compatible with our town wincon, then we can be very suspicious of the players who've exhibited strong levels of trust in ADK, like MiX and Didds. In terms of webs of trust and who's scum conditional on our reads of other people, I think ADK already has a lot of evidence, and as people who've interacted with ADK flip, we'll naturally build up a better picture of how much to trust them.
Compare that to someone like Jack or Robz, about whom we know absolutely nothing, have no reads, and no interactions to speak of. Surely it's better to use a shot on Robz, because that way we keep our vague partial info on ADK, get full alignment reassurance on Robz, and end up with more information than if we only used the shot to top up that partial info on ADK.
Also, on the off-chance this is a scum!Dylan plan to cement some trust in scum!ADK, I think it's advantageous for town not to go along with the plan unchallenged.
PPE 1: EFHW, yes, I agree with that too, though I also think that in general it's better if we're hunting cylon-aligned players than third parties, especially now the third party has been outed.
especially now the third party has been outed.from the ppe on Space's post I just talked about. It may be nothing, but I just caught the assumption that there was only one 3rd party implicit to this comment. It might be NAI, but it's at least worth pointing out.
I’m happy for dylan to test me if we want to start on the Jack wagon
Like someone else already said, maybe Space, it seems weird to me that Dylan thought ADK would be the best use of his power. Hoping we'll hear back from him soon.
I don't agree with mass-claiming yet, for two main reasons:
1. We're definitely not as far through this game as we would expect to be in terms of the number of nights and the number of posts. We're maybe in a D3 sort of scenario, and sure, that's when in a normal game we might start to consider claims, but with all the extra mechanics, I think this game already has lots of info that we can work our way through (e.g. the discussion that we started around Dylan's claimed power) before we have to resort to that.
2. The push for claims is being let by a small subset of the game, one of whom is claimed non-town, so I think it at least needs more discussion before people go ahead and claim.
I'm fine scum-reading Robz a bit more for just going along with it. He's either utterly disengaged town, or he's scum and this is a scum-driven ploy to move us away from a scenario where we have more discussion around using Dylan's supposed power on Robz instead of on ADK. I'm also not sure what to make of the fact that Robz is claiming powers without claiming a character name, when my understanding of full-claiming was definitely that the role name would be entirely relevant to claim.
Ah yes, discussion, that thing town's been doing this game.
It's day 4. We either have already lost, or someone out there has something akin to a result.
The game is a small subset of the game: there's too many people that aren't active for a town consensus to work. But I'm not going to wait for dylan to come back, it's just not reliable enough: if we are waiting for people to talk before doing things, we will end the day doing nothing, just like we did D1 and D2.
I, too, am scumreading Robz for the no details his claim has, and how he just went ahead and did it.
I don't care about this game anymore. I did for a brief moment when I realized I was still alive. I don't anymore, town does not give a fuck about anything and this game is too slow for anyone to agree on anything.
Vote: Robz, X-2
Ok, a little bit more detail about my power. I can basically come up with a yes no question in my QT and then get a truthful answer. So what if we did something like any of the set {x y z} (cylon-aligned/not human-aligned)? (parenthetical options for if you want to filter out 3rd party or include them in the results)
I could probably ask something setup related too if there was a more helpful bit of info we could come up with, but I feel like using it as a weird cop might be most directly helpful right now. That would at least give us some results to work with right now since no one else has rushed forwards with anything yet.
Ask if your top scumread is cylon-aligned. Ask if at least 1 of your 2 top scumreads are cylon-aligned. Ask if there's at least 2 cylon-aligned players in my D3 wagon (by explicitly naming people). Ask if there's at least 2 cylon-aligned players in the Jack D3 wagon. Ask if Jack is cylon-aligned.
Or are any of the viper pilots cylon-aligned? If so, y’all could off us one by one.
Or was any member of the jury cylon-aligned?
I am in perfect agreement with the group, except the question should be "are there at least 2 cylon-aligned players in the group". This way we get to exile in the group that has the most amount of scum right off the bat, and after a scum flip we have 2 groups, each of them have 1 scum.
I think the only difference between what I said and what Space said is that instead of doing a 0/1 cylons group and a 2/3 cylon group, Space does a 0/2 cylon group and a 1/3 cylon group. I'm not sure how this added complexity helps us. I'd wager that knowing where the majority of scum are is enough of an upside to do my suggestion over Space's suggestion.
Wait a second: Space, shouldn't the group with Dylan be the bigger one?
Are you assuming exactly three cylon-aligned players to make "at least two" a useful question? While I think that's likely, I don't like just assuming it as a starting point for anything.
I definitely don't agree that these are the right groups if that's the style of question you want to ask, because I think the expected number of cylon players in the testing group is far below 2, and my entire point was that we get the best information when we ask a question where we're exactly 50/50 on whether the answer will be yes or no. I think what you're suggesting is a strictly worse use of information, from an information-theoretic standpoint. Either you're arguing that optimal use of the question is too hard for you/town to reason with so you don't want to be maximally townie, or you're arguing against wikipedia saying that setting both groups to p=0.5 is the best we can do for info on a one-bit test.
(Also, you're incorrect about your statement that after a scum flip, we have one scum in each pool, because your scenario doesn't distinguish between there being 2 scum in the test group or all three, whereas mine is explicitly set up to cope with telling differences like that, which will be useful for town later, and even more useful if we also add in the exactly-three-cylon-aligned-players constraint that you're silently assuming, since it would let us know that an odd number in the testing group means an even number in the remainder group and vice versa).
One notable change to the groups proposed though - I'm not going to include myself in the testing group, because:
A) I'm town and won't affect parity of the results, so me being in the group is pointless.
B) If I was scum, then you shouldn't trust the results at all anyway, so me being in the group is pointless.
So Space, with that knowledge, who would you move from the remainder to the test group in my place?
One notable change to the groups proposed though - I'm not going to include myself in the testing group, because:
A) I'm town and won't affect parity of the results, so me being in the group is pointless.
B) If I was scum, then you shouldn't trust the results at all anyway, so me being in the group is pointless.
So Space, with that knowledge, who would you move from the remainder to the test group in my place?
I was deliberate in including you with the "maybe-IC" testing group, because we absolutely can't use the test information if we don't think you're townie, so I'd prefer you to stay there, to balance numbers a bit.
I'm not sure whether or not we ought to move anyone else up in your place if you did decide to take yourself out, though... we want to keep the chance of one cylon-aligned player to be more or less the same as the chance of no cylon-aligned players (plus the chance of having two of them), and right now with that set I'm more or less comfortable that I couldn't tell which way the coin flip would go.
Also, I'm getting really tired and should already be asleep, so I trust two-hours-ago me rather more than current-me right now.
In what way shape or form is asking if there's an even amount of scum in a 4 player group (not counting Dylan) a 50/50 chance? Odd is much more likely.
My point is it's completely pointless to include me anywhere in the analysis.
I'll probably wait until tomorrow afternoon to actually ask my question and I'll post here before I do it.
My point is it's completely pointless to include me anywhere in the analysis.
Yeah, I agree. It helped my thinking to assume you were townie and place you accordingly while reasoning it out. Who's your most-townie guess from the remainder set?I'll probably wait until tomorrow afternoon to actually ask my question and I'll post here before I do it.
Deadline is about 36 hours out, and while it's after 9pm FT now, there's zero chance of me being awake this late tomorrow: today I was so exhausted I had an after-work nap, whereas tomorrow I'm more or less non-stop busy all day already.
I think MiX, Jack and I are all on FT+5, and Ash is something like FT+15, so as we approach deadline it's worth considering availability of people to react to the result and vote accordingly enough to get an actual exile through.
Since Didds voted me for my previous wrong-headed idea (testing Dylan), here's a much scummier one. We get Dylan's result and then exile him to see if we can trust it.
Also, vote: Didds
In what way shape or form is asking if there's an even amount of scum in a 4 player group (not counting Dylan) a 50/50 chance? Odd is much more likely.
What I'm going for is P(n==0)+P(n==2) ~= P(n==1)+P(n==3), i.e. the chance of having zero or two scum is more or less the same as having 1 or 3 scum. You can even add in more scum if you want to be thorough about covering all the game combinations. So mostly it's asking whether, in a townie-reading group, we have 0 or 1, with a small chance of 2. Since 0 counts as even, then 0 ought to be almost as likely as 1. If we really do have zero, our whole test group is kind of IC'd if Dylan ever does flip green, unless we start suspecting later that we're in the much-less-likely 2-scum scenario, but I think the natural gameplay will take care of that, and it's a very precarious position for scum to play in.
For one possible difference between the two variants of the question ("even/odd" vs "at least 2 in X"), consider a case where there are currently only two cylon-aligned players (e.g. because Awaclus didn't join them maybe?), and we have one in the testing set and one in the remainder. If we do a parity-based test, we at least realise there's only one in the test set (or an exceedingly unlikely three), whereas from the "at least 2" test we're left with knowing there's 0-1 on the test side and any number at all on the remainder. I don't think this is so unlikely a scenario, though I do agree that I think three scum overall is more likely.
@Dylan, I'm really quite confident that parity (i.e. the odd/even question) is more informative than any "at least X" test, but I'm also feeling that I'm unlikely to convince MiX at this time of night. Honestly, I can just think of too many maths puzzles where parity is a stronger way of doing things.
If we want to split the player group in two a different way, one alternative I thought of was to split us into a slightly-scummier five and a townier six, then to ask whether there are strictly more cylon-aligned people in the bigger group than the smaller one, but I'm not sure whether that's as good.
I realize that we're close to deadline and I'm complicating things even more, but:
Based on my win condition, I have reason to believe that it's very likely that there's at least one scum who is a civilian, and probably not more than one. Right now robz is my best guess for tha, but it's also another subgrouping to consider for dylan's question
I don't like the plan at all for the question, so I skimmed all of those posts.
I think we should use the yes/no question on a setup clarification that the mod normally won't answer, not an alignment question that you are making way more complicated than needed.
Like, you could do a straight up "is X town-aligned" and it is a cop. Woot.
Using it to place some number of baddies in a subgroup seems like a suboptimal way of doing things. Plus, it is easy to manipulate if mafia happens to be the one suggesting the groups. Or Dylan is mafia and just literally makes things up.
A setup question could be "are there exactly four alignments" or "does a town-aligned cylon exist" or "has MiX lied about his powers in the game thread" or literally anything that can be yes/no, right?
If I were Dylan and had this power, I would have just waited until I had a question I wanted clarified and just asked it. I get sharing it and trying to crowdsource the "optimal" use, but I think it just wasted a day, ended up with a not great plan, and left me specifically disinterested.
So that's that.
Is anyone at or close to E-1? Let's exile.
I realize that we're close to deadline and I'm complicating things even more, but:
Based on my win condition, I have reason to believe that it's very likely that there's at least one scum who is a civilian, and probably not more than one. Right now robz is my best guess for tha, but it's also another subgrouping to consider for dylan's question
Did we lose track of this bit of information?
I don't like the plan at all for the question, so I skimmed all of those posts.
I think we should use the yes/no question on a setup clarification that the mod normally won't answer, not an alignment question that you are making way more complicated than needed.
Like, you could do a straight up "is X town-aligned" and it is a cop. Woot.
Using it to place some number of baddies in a subgroup seems like a suboptimal way of doing things. Plus, it is easy to manipulate if mafia happens to be the one suggesting the groups. Or Dylan is mafia and just literally makes things up.
A setup question could be "are there exactly four alignments" or "does a town-aligned cylon exist" or "has MiX lied about his powers in the game thread" or literally anything that can be yes/no, right?
If I were Dylan and had this power, I would have just waited until I had a question I wanted clarified and just asked it. I get sharing it and trying to crowdsource the "optimal" use, but I think it just wasted a day, ended up with a not great plan, and left me specifically disinterested.
So that's that.
Is anyone at or close to E-1? Let's exile.
You say it wasted a day as though we aren't in the middle of a game that started with two no exile days?
So I just went to my QT to ask my question, and I realized that my concern about ADK's win condition for this game was based on misreading things in my QT, so that's not a concern for me at all besides the usual "can this 3rd party win with town?" and I have no personal reason to find out beyond winning this game. There are no special end-states or anything I had mentioned that I am seeking besides just winning. I can't be more specific without direct quoting, but I needed to point this out since I had mentioned being worried about it earlier.
I realize that we're close to deadline and I'm complicating things even more, but:
Based on my win condition, I have reason to believe that it's very likely that there's at least one scum who is a civilian, and probably not more than one. Right now robz is my best guess for tha, but it's also another subgrouping to consider for dylan's question
Did we lose track of this bit of information?
By the laws of deepwolfing, a "townie-reading group" always has 1 scum, and exactly 1 scum.
I don't see why using reads to make questions 50/50 is better than using the law of probabilities to make 50/50 questions. I hope you agree with the following statement: "If there are exactly 3 cylon-aligned players, a question that asks whether there are at least 2 cylon-aligned players in a group of 5, assuming Dylan is town, is a 50/50 question". This seems much more exact than your argument about the 50/50-ness of your question.
For example, I'm basically 100% certain there's 1 scum, and only 1 scum, in the target group. That's not really valuable information.
Did that simulation include that there's 3 scum? I don't think I need to prove that:
If there's 3 scum in 10 people, then in 2 5 people groups, scum is in a 0/3, 1/2, 2/1 or 3/0 split, with equal probability of being 1/2 as 2/1, and 0/3 as 3/0. So 0/3 + 1/2 odds are equal to 2/1 + 3/0 odds, which means each of them is 50%. Note that the second sum is the "at least 2 scum in the first group" question.
We are definitely talking over each other at this point, so I don't really see us agreeing on this before the day's over. Dylan should just ask whatever he feels like.
I thought Ashersky's proposed uses of the question were all fair, though I think they have similar or equivalent weaknesses to the other things we've considered. A straight-up cop shot is pretty much where Dylan opened up the discussion. I totally agree that "baddies in a subgroup" isn't ideal if you don't trust whoever's picking the "baddies", but that was why I was trying to pitch my idea as a consultation with the thread, because talking about who we trust enough to want to put them into a goodies/baddies pot is precisely what we want people to be doing for fruitful gameplay anyway. And of course, if we don't trust Dylan then the whole thing is moot.
As for the game-mechanics ones, I think "exactly four alignments" is the kind of thing faust could swing on a technicality, depending on whether MiX's claimed town-but-survivor is different from my straight-up town role. The "does a town-aligned cylon exist" might be complicated by the fact that it seems likely that Swowl-Boomer was exactly a town-aligned cylon, so does Swowl still exist for the purpose of the question or not? "Is a town-aligned cylon still alive at this present moment in the game" might be a better wording. However, now the mechanism for operating the cylon testing is out in the open, I suspect it's even less useful for us to know whether that's the case, because if all it takes is killing one of me or MiX, then if the cylon-aligned faction is too worried about it, they'll just get one of us killed.
Vote: EFHW
I don't actually think it helps anything for me to elaborate further.
Regarding testing me, I don't see the point today, but would becwilling tomorrow assuming my continued survival.
Regarding testing me, I don't see the point today, but would becwilling tomorrow assuming my continued survival.
The point today would be to see whether the test comes up as I set it, or if something else is going on. It's not super-useful information on its own, like knowing if there might be a third controller out there, or maybe some kind of scum interference messing with the results. There really doesn't seem to be any down-side to using the test: there's no indication that it's shot-limited by anything other than the survival of the people who're setting it up, and both people who've been tested so far haven't reported any ill effects.
I'm kind of puzzled by EFHW's unwillingness to go for it, hence feeling like it's something to push a little. If nobody else wants to push that, though, does anyone mind if I go for it myself, just so we don't completely waste the opportunity to use it and see what happens?
does anyone mind if I go for it myself, just so we don't completely waste the opportunity to use it and see what happens?
Yes, I mind, the person in charge of testing shouldn't be the one tested.
Also, you should probably say what you picked before we test, I don't remember if you did.
Honestly it doesn't matter, but I think it would be better to not do it at all than do it in a way that is questionable.
Boring result. How are we going to exile based off it? Well, I think Robz is scum, so getting the first red flip shouldn't matter as much if so.
The scum in that group is Didds. That's followed by Jack, then Space. It doesn't reach LL. But I'm not very confident in these reads.
So I just went to my QT to ask my question, and I realized that my concern about ADK's win condition for this game was based on misreading things in my QT, so that's not a concern for me at all besides the usual "can this 3rd party win with town?" and I have no personal reason to find out beyond winning this game. There are no special end-states or anything I had mentioned that I am seeking besides just winning. I can't be more specific without direct quoting, but I needed to point this out since I had mentioned being worried about it earlier.
Did you ask the question then? Which one?
So I just went to my QT to ask my question, and I realized that my concern about ADK's win condition for this game was based on misreading things in my QT, so that's not a concern for me at all besides the usual "can this 3rd party win with town?" and I have no personal reason to find out beyond winning this game. There are no special end-states or anything I had mentioned that I am seeking besides just winning. I can't be more specific without direct quoting, but I needed to point this out since I had mentioned being worried about it earlier.
Did you ask the question then? Which one?
At that point I asked but was waiting for an answer. The stuff I misread was from something earlier in the game which had originally made me think using the question about ADK was more helpful for me than it actually would have been, and I'm glad I talked about it instead of just asking since it would have been a waste of the ability.
So here is the result from my claim, phrased carefully to communicate exactly what I asked and the answer without quoting anything.
There is an odd number of cylon-aligned players in {MiX, Space, LaLight, Jack, Didds}.
So here is the result from my claim, phrased carefully to communicate exactly what I asked and the answer without quoting anything.
There is an odd number of cylon-aligned players in {MiX, Space, LaLight, Jack, Didds}.
Awesome! Thank you for going through with that test :-) If we assume this is true, and that there are 2-3 cylons overall, that almost certainly means exactly 1 from the test group, and then 1-2 from {ADK, Ash, EFHW, Scola, Robz}.
I would propose that we start with a Jack exile, as I suggested earlier. If Jack flips cylon-aligned, that gives us more trust in LL's results, which I think suggest that EFHW is a cylon, though I would really like some more confirmation on that before proposing that she should be under scrutiny tomorrow. If Jack flips not-cylon-aligned, I guess LL would be my next pick, though of course there's also the obvious choice of flipping Dylan just to be sure.
On the off-chance there's an early rush for deadline since a lot of players are in US timezones, I'll drop a vote now:
Vote: Jack
Also, MiX, I intend to calibrate to "human" tonight, so would you like to do the complement to that so we can finally get this test working? If we have a possible third controller, maybe the best they could do would be to flip a coin in case we're messed up by RBs or worse.
PPE 5
Vote Count 4.5
Robz888 (4): Jack Rudd, A Drowned Kernel, MiX, scolapasta
A Drowned Kernel (1): Robz888
EFHW (2): LaLight, WestCoastDidds
WestCoastDidds (1): EFHW
Not Voting (3): Dylan32, ashersky, SpaceAnemone
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to exile. Day 4 ends April 21, 2021, 08:30:00 am. This is in roughly 29 hours.
So here is the result from my claim, phrased carefully to communicate exactly what I asked and the answer without quoting anything.
There is an odd number of cylon-aligned players in {MiX, Space, LaLight, Jack, Didds}.
Awesome! Thank you for going through with that test :-) If we assume this is true, and that there are 2-3 cylons overall, that almost certainly means exactly 1 from the test group, and then 1-2 from {ADK, Ash, EFHW, Scola, Robz}.
Boring result. How are we going to exile based off it? Well, I think Robz is scum, so getting the first red flip shouldn't matter as much if so.
The scum in that group is Didds. That's followed by Jack, then Space. It doesn't reach LL. But I'm not very confident in these reads.
At this point, if we want to vote from in the set, I would vote Jack. If outside, I would go Robz.I think we should definitely vote from the set.
Though with Dylan being null, I guess it doesn't matter. I don't see how Space can be so confident there is exactly one in the test group. I feel like Dylan's question was essentially wasted.At this point, if we want to vote from in the set, I would vote Jack. If outside, I would go Robz.I think we should definitely vote from the set.
I don't think Robz is scum. vote: Jack
I don't think Robz is scum. vote: Jack
Why not?
I'm not trying opposed to the jack exile, and I'll be around close to feeling to switch my vote if need be, but I do not understand the resistance to exiling robz
Vote: EFHW
What were your targets? What have you learned?
I don't actually think it helps anything for me to elaborate further.
I would prefer (and am currently voting / not changing for Robz) for today. Main reason being that I am just now catching up for tonight (weekly poker night, went 2-0 woohoo!) and will likely go to bed soon.
My initial read after Dylan claimed his answer is that there are 3 scum in Robz, Didds, and EFHW. I do think it's interesting that Didds and EFHW were voting for each other, then both went to vote Jack, to keep us away from a Robz brigging.
Of course, that gives me at least some doubt because would the scum team be so obvious in trying to save their partner?? I don't know, this is where WIFOM gets me.
I will still be around for a little while tonight, but not sure how much longer.
I also continue to feel hat the game started with 1 or more human aligned cylons that could / would switch sides during the game. So is it possible there were only 2 scum to begin with, and maybe still are, with the possibility of growing to 3-4? I say this because if it started with 3 and gre by 2, 5 seems like a fairly large scum team.
In that case, I still like Robz and Didds as the team, and EFHW (and Awaclus, RIP) as the convertible cylons.
MiX and Space are most likely Robz!partners.
Also, LL and I are Moya-aligned and we totally just coordinated in thread. Boom!
(Bonus points if you get the ref.)
MiX and Space are most likely Robz!partners.
What? No. I pushed Robz so hard today.
MiX and Space are most likely Robz!partners.
What? No. I pushed Robz so hard today.
Yeah, pushed directly under the bus.
- investigative
- protective
Curfew
For any action a player takes the following Night, they will take one fewer vote to exile on the Day after.
Dylan32 is the new Vice President!
- miscellaneous, passive
- protective, passive
- 1-shot, miscellaneous
- investigative, passive
Isolate Colonial One
Any action targeting the President tonight will fail.
The first person to get on the thread should do the test, most likely.
There is an odd number of cylon-aligned players in {MiX, Space, LaLight, Jack, Didds}.
The first person to get on the thread should do the test, most likely.
I think EFHW specifically has to do the test, unless we're all so certain she's a cylon that we move onto the next-most-suspicious person?
As evidence, LL was town, so was telling the truth about being able to detect cylons. He knew EFHW targeted him D1, so previously I thought either she must have been a cylon, or LL was lying. With LL's flip, we at least need to hear from EFHW about why she thinks that is. We've already seen on human-aligned cylon in the form of Boomer, so I'm pretty sceptical about the existence of a second, as opposed to actual cylon-aligned cylons.
As evidence, LL was town, so was telling the truth about being able to detect cylons. He knew EFHW targeted him D1, so previously I thought either she must have been a cylon, or LL was lying. With LL's flip, we at least need to hear from EFHW about why she thinks that is. We've already seen on human-aligned cylon in the form of Boomer, so I'm pretty sceptical about the existence of a second, as opposed to actual cylon-aligned cylons.
Dylan is scum
Vote: Dylan
Let's go let's go everyone needs to vote for dylan right now before scum quickhammers and wins!
Dylan is scum
Vote: Dylan
Let's go let's go everyone needs to vote for dylan right now before scum quickhammers and wins!
Last game day you said Robz was definitely scum.
I'm not believing another MiX statement that isn't backed up with sound logic described in-thread.
PPE 2, but it's work time for me so I'll have to catch up at lunch.
Dylan is scumWho is scum going to quickhammer? I assume you don't mean Dylan.
Vote: Dylan
Let's go let's go everyone needs to vote for dylan right now before scum quickhammers and wins!
Dylan is scumWho is scum going to quickhammer? I assume you don't mean Dylan.
Vote: Dylan
Let's go let's go everyone needs to vote for dylan right now before scum quickhammers and wins!
Scum!Robz would never stop playing. He'd sub out if he got too busy. Your assertion that he claimed scum didn't make sense. Whereas Jack had a scummy claim and his lurking makes sense if he is newbie scum.Dylan is scum
Vote: Dylan
Let's go let's go everyone needs to vote for dylan right now before scum quickhammers and wins!
Last game day you said Robz was definitely scum.
I'm not believing another MiX statement that isn't backed up with sound logic described in-thread.
PPE 2, but it's work time for me so I'll have to catch up at lunch.
Robz just stopped playing. What the hell can I do about that?
To clarify, I learned that with my power. I learned Dylan specifically because they're my vice president.
Why do you assume scum!Dylan asked a question at all?
It is? If so, he made up an answer to a made up question. Maybe what you mean is that his choices of test group and outcome might give information about who his partners are?Why do you assume scum!Dylan asked a question at all?
I'm not. But he did answer a question, so that's information for us.
Vote: DylanCan you help us understand your implicit trust in MiX's towniness?
Vote: DylanCan you help us understand your implicit trust in MiX's towniness?
Mix, what did your power tell you about Dylan?
Why are we not exiling Jack?
Requesting cylon testing
Please don't freak out and insta-exile me if it comes out positive. There is no reason to assume that there is only one human-aligned cylon, and no one has counterclaimed my OP QT making power (sarcasm, sorry). Last night ash and Space had the qt.
Last night ash and Space had the qt.
Requesting cylon testingThis is not a valid game action.
How did you learn he was civilian? What was the relevance then of your making him your VP.Mix, what did your power tell you about Dylan?
Why are we not exiling Jack?
It told me Dylan is cylon-aligned.
EFHW, what do you think about mix’s claim about Dylan?
How did you learn he was civilian? What was the relevance then of your making him your VP.Mix, what did your power tell you about Dylan?
Why are we not exiling Jack?
It told me Dylan is cylon-aligned.
Undergo TestingEFHW is a Cylon.
Undergo TestingEFHW is a Cylon.
How did you learn he was civilian? What was the relevance then of your making him your VP.Mix, what did your power tell you about Dylan?
Why are we not exiling Jack?
It told me Dylan is cylon-aligned.
You originally said you learned his alignment when he became VP and that your power told you something else.
Undergo TestingEFHW is a Cylon.
NO ONE VOTE!
Time is of the essence today. Everyone that is online needs to talk now. We need to solve the game before we're all quickhammered.
The first person to get on the thread should do the test, most likely.
NO ONE VOTE!
Time is of the essence today. Everyone that is online needs to talk now. We need to solve the game before we're all quickhammered.
The first person to get on the thread should do the test, most likely.
A haiku, by scolapasta:
Mix is first in thread.
Mix says first in thread should test.
Why does Mix not test?
Ok, so now that I got that protest out of the way, lots going on already to the start of this day. Here's some strema of conscious thinking on what I've seen (mostly because after this I should get back to work, so want to get a bunch out there, then may be able to post bits and pieces later):
Mix says Dylan is Scum but is also worried about a quickhammer. Why? there are 9 of us left, so there'd have to be 5 scum?? Oh wait, curfew, so maybe 4.
Still 4 scum seems like a lot. Unless, Mix knows there's 4, and with an exile of Dylan and a NK we get down to 7, and then 4 would be enough! (scum can't quick hammer 4 right now, because they don't yet know who performed actions last night)
SO on that note Mix or Dylan seem like good votes for today.
But then let's also add in in EFHW as a (probable) Cylon. So there's that path to pursue.
I'm definitely not ready to vote Dylan just yet, particularly because Mix is so pressuring about it. (I think part of me doubts that his passive power would be so powerful as to out a scum so easily; especially with all the other investigative powers we've seen exist)
As I agreed with the question as space posed it, the only real case I see against Dylan is Mix's claim. Which is super strong, but lacks credibility.
For the case against Mix, it is interesting that he is in all 3 groups for which we suspect at least one scum (but of course based on Mix's, Dylan's and ADK's info):
Dylan info: Odd # scum in {MiX, Space, LaLight, Jack, Didds}
Mix info: At leas 1 scum in {MiX, WestCoastDidds, A Drowned Kernel, scolapasta, EFHW, SpaceAnemone}
ADK info: Likely a scum in civilians {Dylan, MiX, ash} - not including Jack since we all think he's military
ADK are you willing to say a little more of why you think there's at least 1 civilian among the scum?
Since I control one
One aspect of the test, I
Would know its result
You mean Dylan's investigative power? There's no cop in this setup. So I have to do it.
I'd argue if you're scum, it doesn't really matter who takes the test.
Also, haiku fail:Since I control one
One aspect of the test, I
Would know its resultYou mean Dylan's investigative power? There's no cop in this setup. So I have to do it.
No, I meant Awaclus, swowl, Robz, and Lalight. Granted, some of those were passive and Robz claimed his was military/civilian, but there's a lot we could have (and some we did learn) from those.
I'd argue if you're scum, it doesn't really matter who takes the test.
Also, haiku fail:Since I control one
One aspect of the test, I
Would know its resultYou mean Dylan's investigative power? There's no cop in this setup. So I have to do it.
No, I meant Awaclus, swowl, Robz, and Lalight. Granted, some of those were passive and Robz claimed his was military/civilian, but there's a lot we could have (and some we did learn) from those.
If I'm town, it doesn't matter if I take the test, because I'm town.
Nooooooooooooooooooo my honor :C
None of those are cop results.
Ok, so now that I got that protest out of the way, lots going on already to the start of this day. Here's some strema of conscious thinking on what I've seen (mostly because after this I should get back to work, so want to get a bunch out there, then may be able to post bits and pieces later):
Mix says Dylan is Scum but is also worried about a quickhammer. Why? there are 9 of us left, so there'd have to be 5 scum?? Oh wait, curfew, so maybe 4.
Still 4 scum seems like a lot. Unless, Mix knows there's 4, and with an exile of Dylan and a NK we get down to 7, and then 4 would be enough! (scum can't quick hammer 4 right now, because they don't yet know who performed actions last night)
SO on that note Mix or Dylan seem like good votes for today.
But then let's also add in in EFHW as a (probable) Cylon. So there's that path to pursue.
I'm definitely not ready to vote Dylan just yet, particularly because Mix is so pressuring about it. (I think part of me doubts that his passive power would be so powerful as to out a scum so easily; especially with all the other investigative powers we've seen exist)
As I agreed with the question as space posed it, the only real case I see against Dylan is Mix's claim. Which is super strong, but lacks credibility.
For the case against Mix, it is interesting that he is in all 3 groups for which we suspect at least one scum (but of course based on Mix's, Dylan's and ADK's info):
Dylan info: Odd # scum in {MiX, Space, LaLight, Jack, Didds}
Mix info: At leas 1 scum in {MiX, WestCoastDidds, A Drowned Kernel, scolapasta, EFHW, SpaceAnemone}
ADK info: Likely a scum in civilians {Dylan, MiX, ash} - not including Jack since we all think he's military
ADK are you willing to say a little more of why you think there's at least 1 civilian among the scum?
Those 3 pieces of information come from scum, myself and third-party. In fact, with my conflict, they are absolutely void: it works if dylan's scum, or if I'm scum, and we already know one of us is scum.
100% vote Dylan today, there's really no decision here. These past few days have been about deciding if I'm town or not, and now is the time where you decide that, yes, I am town.
EFHW's a probably cylon, but we can do that tomorrow.
Please stop trying to imply that scum wants you to do what scum tells you to do. If I'm scum, the last thing I expect people to do is vote Dylan when I say so. You should be more willing to vote for someone I am conflicting, not less.
ADK should probably not say more but like who cares, they were right. Even if you think I'm scum. So does it matter?
But now I know your logic is incorrect. If you are certain I am scum, then I can't take your other certainties as accurate, either. What if you differentiate for us the things you are actually certain about from the things which are suppositions?Those 3 pieces of information come from scum, myself and third-party. In fact, with my conflict, they are absolutely void: it works if dylan's scum, or if I'm scum, and we already know one of us is scum.
Oops.
They are void in determining my alignment. Of course, the information from the town of us between me and Dylan is still useful (which for me tells me EFHW is scum).
It was curfew and civilian jurisdiction. We've been over those, they aren't pro-town.
I do think we shouldn't waste time here: it's perfectly fine to just hammer Dylan before he can do anything. It's not necessary but it would help town a lot if we didn't allow any time for scum to do anything.
ADK, why did you decide to block my (next) night actions?
But now I know your logic is incorrect. If you are certain I am scum, then I can't take your other certainties as accurate, either. What if you differentiate for us the things you are actually certain about from the things which are suppositions?Those 3 pieces of information come from scum, myself and third-party. In fact, with my conflict, they are absolutely void: it works if dylan's scum, or if I'm scum, and we already know one of us is scum.
Oops.
They are void in determining my alignment. Of course, the information from the town of us between me and Dylan is still useful (which for me tells me EFHW is scum).
It was curfew and civilian jurisdiction. We've been over those, they aren't pro-town.
I do think we shouldn't waste time here: it's perfectly fine to just hammer Dylan before he can do anything. It's not necessary but it would help town a lot if we didn't allow any time for scum to do anything.
But see? that's kind of my point. You came out the day starting with a big concern about scum quickhammering and now you're the one pushing for that. Can you at least understand why that makes me oh so skeptical?
MiX, seeing as you and I had similar scum reads yesterday (albeit they were wrong) in Robz, Didds, and EFHW? Who do you know think is scum.
Since I'm between Dylan and possibly you, I'll throw out two combos I'm considering:
Dylan, EFHW, and Jack
Mix, ADK, EFHW, and Didds (this is the possible 4 team scum that ash alluded to possibly existing)
My current town reads are (clearly): space and ash
And the other question I guess I'd like to know is how exactly does this passive power of yours work then - do you get these messages at Night, at start of the Day? and are the clear or are they somehow obfuscated and you're interpreting them for us?
@scola as mix said, I was right about there being a scum among the civilians. Explaining why I thought that at this point only helps scum, which presumably you don't want
And the other question I guess I'd like to know is how exactly does this passive power of yours work then - do you get these messages at Night, at start of the Day? and are the clear or are they somehow obfuscated and you're interpreting them for us?
End of night. They aren't very obscure.
@scola as mix said, I was right about there being a scum among the civilians. Explaining why I thought that at this point only helps scum, which presumably you don't want
And the other question I guess I'd like to know is how exactly does this passive power of yours work then - do you get these messages at Night, at start of the Day? and are the clear or are they somehow obfuscated and you're interpreting them for us?
End of night. They aren't very obscure.
What made you think last night's was because Dylan became your VP?
@scola as mix said, I was right about there being a scum among the civilians. Explaining why I thought that at this point only helps scum, which presumably you don't want
It also helps town. Presumably you do want that.
@scola as mix said, I was right about there being a scum among the civilians. Explaining why I thought that at this point only helps scum, which presumably you don't want
It also helps town. Presumably you do want that.
ADK, why did you decide to block my (next) night actions?
That actually blocked yours and LL's actions last night. And I did it to help my wincon
ADK, why did you decide to block my (next) night actions?
That actually blocked yours and LL's actions last night. And I did it to help my wincon
Ah, okay. What was it that we might have done that we were trying to prevent?
ADK, why did you decide to block my (next) night actions?
That actually blocked yours and LL's actions last night. And I did it to help my wincon
Ah, okay. What was it that we might have done that we were trying to prevent?
Killed mix, killed me
Scum!Robz would never stop playing. He'd sub out if he got too busy. Your assertion that he claimed scum didn't make sense.
Scum!Robz would never stop playing. He'd sub out if he got too busy. Your assertion that he claimed scum didn't make sense.
Did MiX ever explain to anyone else's satisfaction what Robz's alleged admission of scumminess was?
Why are we not exiling Jack?
Scum!Robz would never stop playing. He'd sub out if he got too busy. Your assertion that he claimed scum didn't make sense.
Did MiX ever explain to anyone else's satisfaction what Robz's alleged admission of scumminess was?
No, by definition.
I asked 3 times what Robz had targeted and what he saw. He never answered. That felt like he was taking his lurkiness to extreme levels, to the point where if he was scum, he didn't need to talk anymore. That's basically it. I was also annoyed by Robz not having participated basically at all from D3 forward.
Why are we not exiling Jack?
I actually agree that Jack isn't the best target here. Scum choosing to kill within yesterday's testing set is unexpected to me, and probably only happens because they're happy enough with the idea that town is likely to exile Jack.
I have next to no confidence in MiX's claims, but I do actually think that exiling Dylan isn't terrible for town, simply his flip tells us whether to trust the answer to his question, and that's the only piece of logic-based scum-hunting info we have left that's not influenced by claims coming from MiX and ADK.
As for MiX and ADK, I think there's a very strong chance they're working together towards their own goals, but I think it's less likely they're cylon-aligned than purely a third party, simply because MiX has been leaking some kind of third-party knowledge all game. However, I do know for sure that unless scum were deliberately able to influence the cylon test then MiX did as he said he would do, and set his side to cylon, since that's the only way we'd see a cylon result when I set my half to read human.
Why are we not exiling Jack?
I actually agree that Jack isn't the best target here. Scum choosing to kill within yesterday's testing set is unexpected to me, and probably only happens because they're happy enough with the idea that town is likely to exile Jack.
I have next to no confidence in MiX's claims, but I do actually think that exiling Dylan isn't terrible for town, simply his flip tells us whether to trust the answer to his question, and that's the only piece of logic-based scum-hunting info we have left that's not influenced by claims coming from MiX and ADK.
As for MiX and ADK, I think there's a very strong chance they're working together towards their own goals, but I think it's less likely they're cylon-aligned than purely a third party, simply because MiX has been leaking some kind of third-party knowledge all game. However, I do know for sure that unless scum were deliberately able to influence the cylon test then MiX did as he said he would do, and set his side to cylon, since that's the only way we'd see a cylon result when I set my half to read human.
Scum!Robz would never stop playing. He'd sub out if he got too busy. Your assertion that he claimed scum didn't make sense.
Did MiX ever explain to anyone else's satisfaction what Robz's alleged admission of scumminess was?
No, by definition.
I asked 3 times what Robz had targeted and what he saw. He never answered. That felt like he was taking his lurkiness to extreme levels, to the point where if he was scum, he didn't need to talk anymore. That's basically it. I was also annoyed by Robz not having participated basically at all from D3 forward.
There's 9 players alive: if both me and ADK are third-party, chances are town has already lost, and we've already won. At this point, you're going to have to trust us when we say we want town to win.
Scum!Robz would never stop playing. He'd sub out if he got too busy. Your assertion that he claimed scum didn't make sense.
Did MiX ever explain to anyone else's satisfaction what Robz's alleged admission of scumminess was?
No, by definition.
I asked 3 times what Robz had targeted and what he saw. He never answered. That felt like he was taking his lurkiness to extreme levels, to the point where if he was scum, he didn't need to talk anymore. That's basically it. I was also annoyed by Robz not having participated basically at all from D3 forward.
That was all? This is why you need to actually show your logic in detail in-thread :-( You being annoyed or frustrated at Robz for ignoring or missing a question from you doesn't make him scum in the slightest, and I think your push against him at the EoD was not the best use of town's information at that point.
There's 9 players alive: if both me and ADK are third-party, chances are town has already lost, and we've already won. At this point, you're going to have to trust us when we say we want town to win.
OTOH, scum isn't taking ADK out, but is clearly able to perform NKs, so how can we be sure ADK really has town's interests at heart, if keeping you and ADK alive is so townie?
I think I’m ready to vote for Dylan.
But I don’t want to rush folks if we aren’t ready for that.
Why would scum kill a third-party? ADK being alive is their best chances of winning this game.
Why would scum kill a third-party? ADK being alive is their best chances of winning this game.
Ah, so please explain in detail why we're shouldn't all be voting ADK now.
I think I’m ready to vote for Dylan.
But I don’t want to rush folks if we aren’t ready for that.
I don't want to rush it.
If Dylan is scum, why did he offer up a one-bit question that he was proposing using as a cop shot that would either have given town an IC, or set Dylan up for a 1-v-1 with whomever he accused, that was bound to get him exiled today anyway?
Why would scum kill a third-party? ADK being alive is their best chances of winning this game.
Ah, so please explain in detail why we're shouldn't all be voting ADK now.
I don't know. But that is easily answered if you're scum. That question is hard to answer, and I've considered that my power might've been tampered with because of it. I just don't see town winning if scum can force a direct conflict between 2 town like this, and it makes my power borderline anti-town. But my paranoia's somewhat there.
Why would scum kill a third-party? ADK being alive is their best chances of winning this game.
Ah, so please explain in detail why we're shouldn't all be voting ADK now.
So we can kill scum instead.
It's a very good question, and one that pertains to ADK's alignment, so I won't answer in detail. But scum not wanting to shoot a third-party doesn't mean we want to exile them. Town wants to kill scum. Scum wants to kill town. Neither wants to kill third-parties.
@Space, Why are you assuming scum!Dylan even had a question?
I don't know. But that is easily answered if you're scum. That question is hard to answer, and I've considered that my power might've been tampered with because of it. I just don't see town winning if scum can force a direct conflict between 2 town like this, and it makes my power borderline anti-town. But my paranoia's somewhat there.
It's not very easy to unpick what you're trying to say here. My question was about why scum!Dylan shares the existence of this question and lets town direct it when it's likely to lead very quickly to one of two town-beneficial events. What "conflict between two towns" are you referring to, and what would scum!Dylan's plan have had to look like to bring that about without risking being pro-town?Why would scum kill a third-party? ADK being alive is their best chances of winning this game.
Ah, so please explain in detail why we're shouldn't all be voting ADK now.
So we can kill scum instead.
So far we've done a great job of going after townies rather than scum, so if ADK being alive really is scum's best chance of winning, over pushing to get townies exiled, then I think that's a great argument for exiling ADK instead of letting scummy people or wrong townies take down another one of our own.It's a very good question, and one that pertains to ADK's alignment, so I won't answer in detail. But scum not wanting to shoot a third-party doesn't mean we want to exile them. Town wants to kill scum. Scum wants to kill town. Neither wants to kill third-parties.
Well, I think I might want to kill a third party, and I'm town.
@Space, Why are you assuming scum!Dylan even had a question?
Do you really think Dylan just completely made up the idea of the question? To what gain?
Since my biggest concern with voting or Dylan is that if he is town and there is a 4 scum team that wins the game with that, is there harm in maybe brigging ADK today like space suggests instead? If he is part of the 4 person scum team, great, and if he's not, then we haven't hurt any town (I am not at all convinced by ADK or MiC's oh you can trust us, we want town to win)
Vote: ADK
@Space, Why are you assuming scum!Dylan even had a question?
Do you really think Dylan just completely made up the idea of the question? To what gain?
Since my biggest concern with voting or Dylan is that if he is town and there is a 4 scum team that wins the game with that, is there harm in maybe brigging ADK today like space suggests instead? If he is part of the 4 person scum team, great, and if he's not, then we haven't hurt any town (I am not at all convinced by ADK or MiC's oh you can trust us, we want town to win)
@Space, Why are you assuming scum!Dylan even had a question?
Do you really think Dylan just completely made up the idea of the question? To what gain?
Since my biggest concern with voting or Dylan is that if he is town and there is a 4 scum team that wins the game with that, is there harm in maybe brigging ADK today like space suggests instead? If he is part of the 4 person scum team, great, and if he's not, then we haven't hurt any town (I am not at all convinced by ADK or MiC's oh you can trust us, we want town to win)
Okay I guess since this threat of voting ADK was real I should add more bias to my answer to this.
ADK has demonstrated they are trying to make me win. That is enough for them to be town aligned, in my book. But it's not enough for scum.
Honestly if ADK was scum they would've won by now, as there would have to be 4 scum, since there's curfew they can all quickhammer.
Dylan is scum
Vote: Dylan
Let's go let's go everyone needs to vote for dylan right now before scum quickhammers and wins!
I should probably talk more so people think I'm town beyond a shadow of a doubt. That includes you, ash! One wrong vote and this game could end horribly. It's possible we're not in XiLo though.
So, ADK was right: one of the civilians was scum. This makes me feel really good about him, as he's the one that told me to pick Dylan, and I only learned Dylan was scum because he was my vice-president. This also indicates that ADK was not cylon-aligned as I never learned his alignment when they were vice-president, but that's a stretch: I think my information grew in power in a reasonable proportion, so it might've not made sense to say what alignment ADK was before today.
I've also learned what character Dylan is, but not directly: the flavor implied Dylan is Caprica Six. So that would be a civilian, which makes what ADK was saying.
Let's look at the other piece of info I know: Jack's wagon.
"Jack Rudd (6): MiX, WestCoastDidds, A Drowned Kernel, scolapasta, EFHW, SpaceAnemone"
Me and ADK are...well, we're not cylon-aligned, by what I said above. So there's scum in (Didds, scola, EFHW, Space). Given what went down yesterday, I would put scum in (scola, EFHW). Didds is right: she's town. And Space would have to be aligned with Robz, I think. Then again, my reads aren't that good, I only started scumreading Dylan yesterday after he used the question the way Space wanted. I'll have to reread Dylan now.There is an odd number of cylon-aligned players in {MiX, Space, LaLight, Jack, Didds}.
This is Dylan's question now, which has a different meaning now that he's scum. You can read it however you want, but personally I think it's bogus: chances are the real answer is even, but that's what I think anyway (they're all town), and he could've easily told the truth. I'm just posting it here for who wants to scum hunt this way (also note that LL died and is in this group: this supports my theory of 0 scum here).
Can't think of anything else that's relevant right now.The first person to get on the thread should do the test, most likely.
I think EFHW specifically has to do the test, unless we're all so certain she's a cylon that we move onto the next-most-suspicious person?
As evidence, LL was town, so was telling the truth about being able to detect cylons. He knew EFHW targeted him D1, so previously I thought either she must have been a cylon, or LL was lying. With LL's flip, we at least need to hear from EFHW about why she thinks that is. We've already seen on human-aligned cylon in the form of Boomer, so I'm pretty sceptical about the existence of a second, as opposed to actual cylon-aligned cylons.
Yes, but I think the day will end before we can coordinate. Any result would be helpful right now: I think the scum aligned humans are either town (Baltar) or not human at all (Dylan).
100% vote Dylan today, there's really no decision here. These past few days have been about deciding if I'm town or not, and now is the time where you decide that, yes, I am town.
EFHW's a probably cylon, but we can do that tomorrow.
I am strongly leaning towards voting Dylan here. I think either town MiX or Survivor Mix would be telling the truth. But as we agree that we don't have the immediate rush, want to give some time to still mull it over, ask some more questions, and let players report what night time things they may have done. Otherwise my vote would put a curfewed Dylan at X-1 and I don't think we're there yet, especially with a hammering Ash.
But at the moment, I'm @ it's Dylan today, and if he's not actually scum, you tomorrow. Otherwise EFHW.Please stop trying to imply that scum wants you to do what scum tells you to do. If I'm scum, the last thing I expect people to do is vote Dylan when I say so. You should be more willing to vote for someone I am conflicting, not less.
Sure, except for WIFOM, so good scum would know to do both.ADK should probably not say more but like who cares, they were right. Even if you think I'm scum. So does it matter?
It does matter, but I'm not yet ready to reveal more now.
So some other questions: what were the other orders you could've chosen? Why did you choose so fast? If you are scum Mix trying to get us down to 7 (due to 4 scum), it would definitely make sense to protect yourself if you're worried a vig shot would take you out at night. And we've only flipped one killing power which was passive, so there definitely could be a vig out there still. And yes, there are also reasons for town Mix to choose that order to, so choosing it doesn't automatically imply scum or survivor Mix.
So care to enlighten us some more on your decision process there?
Day 3 Final Vote Count
MiX (4): ashersky, LaLight, Jack Rudd, Robz888
Jack Rudd (6): MiX, WestCoastDidds, A Drowned Kernel, scolapasta, EFHW, SpaceAnemone
Robz888 (1): Swowl
Not Voting (1): Dylan32
With 12 alive, it took 7 to exile.
@Space, Why are you assuming scum!Dylan even had a question?
Do you really think Dylan just completely made up the idea of the question? To what gain?
Since my biggest concern with voting or Dylan is that if he is town and there is a 4 scum team that wins the game with that, is there harm in maybe brigging ADK today like space suggests instead? If he is part of the 4 person scum team, great, and if he's not, then we haven't hurt any town (I am not at all convinced by ADK or MiC's oh you can trust us, we want town to win)
Okay I guess since this threat of voting ADK was real I should add more bias to my answer to this.
ADK has demonstrated they are trying to make me win. That is enough for them to be town aligned, in my book. But it's not enough for scum.
Honestly if ADK was scum they would've won by now, as there would have to be 4 scum, since there's curfew they can all quickhammer.
No because a quickhammer only works against those who performed an action last night. As of now that looks like ADK and WCD (based on their blocking discussion) so it just means that a 4 scum team that doesn't include MiX, ADK, and Didds doesn't exist.
However, get one town to vote with the team and then sure. Which is one possible interpretation to how this day has begun.
He supposedly has a power where the mod just gives him random, extremely game-changing information on a nightly basis, without having to do anything.Why would ADK support him at every point? Are you saying they are scum, too?
Like, what? That is terrible game design. Faust is not a terrible game designer. Like, is there a deus ex machina in the tv show that is equally terrible and annoying and he had to include it in the game?
If I had claimed that I had a passive power which provides me with mod information to support any argument or post I want to make, would you believe me?
Why would ADK support him at every point? Are you saying they are scum, too?
ADK and MiX, I'd like to hear how your alliance developed. Please paraphrase the conversation in as much detail as possible.
MiX has made a number of indescribably unbelievable claims and has done nothing to help town win. He seems to be trying to help ADK win? He definitely is trying to help himself.
The only person who seems to believe every single word that is typed by MiX is the only player who has confirmed himself as non-town. Whatever MiX is saying clearly works for him.
The most flabbergasting thing about all of this is MiX could end up being town anyway, regardless of how anti-town he's being. But, as with Robz, just letting it go helps no one.
When I do clearly anti-town things for my own gain, I expect to get exiled. I most often do, except when I don't, and then everyone gets upset when I win as mafia or SK and act like they knew the whole time I was bad, even when my alignment was green. If that was the case, you should have exiled me. And that is exactly the case with MiX.
Added bonus of exiling ADK: we ensure he doesn't win, even if town loses. For anyone who enjoys sour grapes, keep that in mind.
Anyway, the important bits:
ADK is a player who is NOT ALIGNED WITH HUMANS. He does not deny thing point. He can win with humans, but can just as easily (or perhaps more easily), win with cylons, or others. There's no reason to count him in the human column.
If mafia get to the point where they can just win with ADK, one mafia can claim, then threaten the NK if he doesn't join them. And ADK, if he plays to win, which everyone should, will just join them.
ANYONE who says they would rather lose as 3rd party than win as 3rd party with mafia is either lying or should not be allowed to play a game where everyone should be trying to win.
So, ADK is a clear and present danger to town's chances of winning. There is no argument that can be made against that. He can make emotional pleas that he prefers to win with town. There are plenty of things people prefer, but that doesn't change what we do when push comes to shove.
He supposedly has a power where the mod just gives him random, extremely game-changing information on a nightly basis, without having to do anything.Why would ADK support him at every point? Are you saying they are scum, too?
Like, what? That is terrible game design. Faust is not a terrible game designer. Like, is there a deus ex machina in the tv show that is equally terrible and annoying and he had to include it in the game?
If I had claimed that I had a passive power which provides me with mod information to support any argument or post I want to make, would you believe me?
Didds, I guess ADK told you they were blocking you in the viper qt? Anything else you can about that?
We need to finish the massclaim.
PPE ash
Shouldn't we finish the massclaim?
Shouldn't we finish the massclaim?
Who are we waiting on?
@Space, Why are you assuming scum!Dylan even had a question?
@Space, Why are you assuming scum!Dylan even had a question?
I wasn't, but if scum!Dylan was making up the existence of a question, why would he offer to use that to cop someone for us? Robz's name was one of the first to come up, and we know he's town, so why wouldn't lying scum do something that's easier for scum to steer for their own scummy uses than asking for town input? If town recommends using the cop shot on someone who's town, Dylan either has to put himself in a 1-v-1, or to create an almost-IC. Instead, scum!Dylan could just have faked the result of a cop shot on scum (if that was his aim?), rather than faked asking for advice on a cop shot.
The only explanations I can think of feel really weak, like maybe scum wanted to get town's reads on everyone, or maybe there really was a one-bit question, but scum were the ones who were given it and just wanted to use the thread's creativity to work out the optimal use. Otherwise, I could do with some more-likely-sounding suggestions for what Dylan was up to with the question if he's really scum.
I get where you're coming from here, but there's something I've mentioned before that's relevant: I don't have to be alive in order to win, so scum can't make me collaborate just by threatening to kill me
Let's compare two random things...
One player claimed a power to ask one specific question to the mod to gain information about the setup/game/players/etc. There are some players questions the validity of this claim.
Another player claimed to receive information about the setup/game/players/etc. on a regular basis directly from the mod for free. No players except for me are questioning this claim.
I'm done with this game. Please exile me if there are really no intentions to try to win.
Is it possible that a Survivor MiX lies about one (or more) of these? I doubt it, but I could see him doing that in order to cover for something he'd rather not share.
• first one does feels a little sketchy in that he learned that after Awaclus basically confirmed this for us when telling us he was given a choice to switch. Second one would be a more risky lie as we could verify (but only
• 2nd one is only verifiable once MiX is brigged or incapacitated so why would he care? That said, he'd have had to come up with it and it does seem a reasonable actual design
• 3rd one could be used to get us down the path of brigging people from that wagon
I should probably talk more so people think I'm town beyond a shadow of a doubt. That includes you, ash!
So, ADK was right: one of the civilians was scum. This makes me feel really good about him, as he's the one that told me to pick Dylan, and I only learned Dylan was scum because he was my vice-president. This also indicates that ADK was not cylon-aligned as I never learned his alignment when they were vice-president, but that's a stretch: I think my information grew in power in a reasonable proportion, so it might've not made sense to say what alignment ADK was before today.
I've also learned what character Dylan is, but not directly: the flavor implied Dylan is Caprica Six. So that would be a civilian, which makes what ADK was saying.
Vote: ADK
MiX is clearly my top mafia read and the only one that matters. However, I am still convinced the best way to maintain chances of a town win is to remove ADK first.
I will only post intermittently from now on to avoid prods unless I see enough other players I consider towny to start playing to win. My level of frustration here is not worth whatever benefit I may be getting from being more active.
I mean, good game and congratulations to the mafia team. Can't blame them for being frustrating, that's literally their job.
Since my biggest concern with voting or Dylan is that if he is town and there is a 4 scum team that wins the game with that, is there harm in maybe brigging ADK today like space suggests instead? If he is part of the 4 person scum team, great, and if he's not, then we haven't hurt any town (I am not at all convinced by ADK or MiC's oh you can trust us, we want town to win)
It's probably safe, I personally just want the game to be over as fast as possible for my personal goal. I also don't want to gamble on scum being able to take advantage of ADK being dead. Of course, I guess from every other town's perspective you don't want to gamble on me being town...
I get where you're coming from here, but there's something I've mentioned before that's relevant: I don't have to be alive in order to win, so scum can't make me collaborate just by threatening to kill me
Sorry, one more, didn't post my response to this -- clearly a survivor would be expected to lie about this, no? I mean, that's "how to survive as a survivor" 101.
The following executive order is in effect tonight:
- 1-shot, Day, miscellaneous
- manipulative
- miscellaneous, passive
- 1-shot, blocking
Isolate Colonial OneNight 5 begins now and lasts at least 48 hours. Night actions are due by April 26, 2021, 07:00:00 pm.
Any action targeting the President tonight will fail.
SpaceAnemone has been incapacitated! They were Felix Gaeta, and they were human-aligend. They had the following powers:
- miscellaneous, Day
- 1-shot, investigative
- 2-shot, manipulative
WestCoastDidds has been incapacitated! They were Kara Thrace, and they were human-aligned. They had the following powers:
- investigative
- 1-shot, killing
- miscellaneous, passive
- protective, killing
- 1-shot, miscellaneous
Mandate testing
Pick another player. The next Cylon test available will be performed on that player, if they are still alive by that time.
Vigil
Tonight, all players who control the same character they did the previous game may use an active power they had in that game instead of their current powers. Powers with limited shots may only be used if the shots have not yet been used up.
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I get where you're coming from here, but there's something I've mentioned before that's relevant: I don't have to be alive in order to win, so scum can't make me collaborate just by threatening to kill me
Sorry, one more, didn't post my response to this -- clearly a survivor would be expected to lie about this, no? I mean, that's "how to survive as a survivor" 101.
Channeling my inner LaLight (RIP), this is an AMAZING point.
Is there any kind of double or team survivor role? (i.e. could they both be survivors?)
That was fun. Not the best outcome for me, I lost out on some legacy points, but it was interesting to play such an odd win condition
I'm looking at Day 1 plurality exile and the admiral role as changes
I'm looking at Day 1 plurality exile and the admiral role as changes
For legacy reasons, l'll keep it a mystery
Survivor won with mafia, as foretold.
Always, always, always exile claimed 3rd party immediately.
For legacy reasons, l'll keep it a mystery
I'm curious how mafia got 3 NKs in one night. Seems...hard to defeat.
Scola played the best of the mafia-aligned players, in my opinion, although MiX definitely should be MVP for ensuring their win.
Sigh...god dammit. Ash! Trust me, at least once in your life! We could've won that had we all voted Dylan instantly like I wanted!
Am I still president?
For legacy reasons, l'll keep it a mystery
Keep what a mystery? The rule changes? I'm fairly sure those would have to be public.
I'm curious how mafia got 3 NKs in one night. Seems...hard to defeat.
Scola played the best of the mafia-aligned players, in my opinion, although MiX definitely should be MVP for ensuring their win.
I'm curious how mafia got 3 NKs in one night. Seems...hard to defeat.
Scola played the best of the mafia-aligned players, in my opinion, although MiX definitely should be MVP for ensuring their win.
I'm assuming at least one of those was a big misfiring
Basically, if you want to convince me to do something, your only hope is to not talk about it at all, I think. If you try to convince me, I'll think you are lying. If you try to convince me of the opposite just to get me to go against you, I'll assume that's what you are doing.
I'm curious how mafia got 3 NKs in one night. Seems...hard to defeat.
Scola played the best of the mafia-aligned players, in my opinion, although MiX definitely should be MVP for ensuring their win.
I'm assuming at least one of those was a big misfiring
Probably MiX shot someone.
I mean, congrats mafia, I guess.
Although, and no offense meant, but town lost this game way more than mafia won it. And I'm accepting any blame that is to go around, as I assume I took the loss as town here since I wasn't listed in the winning players list.
@Mafia team: why didn't you recruit me? I thought I was pretty clearly signaling to you.
Basically, if you want to convince me to do something, your only hope is to not talk about it at all, I think. If you try to convince me, I'll think you are lying. If you try to convince me of the opposite just to get me to go against you, I'll assume that's what you are doing.
Then learn how to read me better. Don't blame me for not trusting what I'm trying to say because I'm trying to convince you. I'm not going to change my speech based on everyone else's wisher. If everyone thinks like that, sure, but I can't simultaneously want to convince other people by saying the truth and convince you by saying the opposite.I'm curious how mafia got 3 NKs in one night. Seems...hard to defeat.
Scola played the best of the mafia-aligned players, in my opinion, although MiX definitely should be MVP for ensuring their win.
I'm assuming at least one of those was a big misfiring
Probably MiX shot someone.
Fuck. I would've shot Dylan if I could. Ash just stop with these accusations.
I'm 100% sure you are playing for your own personal gains here -- legacy, meta, etc. If losing this game put you in a better position for future games, I'm sure you would do it.
And yes, I definitely would too. I'm not "blaming" you, I'm pointing out what I think is going on. There's a difference. You aren't doing anything wrong or breaking any rules. I would, in fact, fall on the side of arguing that you are doing exactly what you should be doing. It's just frustrating for those of us who are not gaining from it.
Jack did well to use newbie status to survive. I would definitely have coached him to do the same. That was just smart play.
I'm curious how mafia got 3 NKs in one night. Seems...hard to defeat.
Scola played the best of the mafia-aligned players, in my opinion, although MiX definitely should be MVP for ensuring their win.
I'm curious how mafia got 3 NKs in one night. Seems...hard to defeat.Only one of the deaths was directly caused by scum actually.
scolapasta
gah! well played everyone!
How come ADK got exiled with only 3 votes, when it took 5 to exile?
How come ADK got exiled with only 3 votes, when it took 5 to exile?
I'm looking at Day 1 plurality exile and the admiral role as changes
Agree on both.
I'm looking at Day 1 plurality exile and the admiral role as changes
Agree on both.
I like the admiral change, but not plurality exile. I never see that as good for town. How about adding another player?
I wouldn't mind getting rid of civilian jurisdiction :P
I wouldn't mind getting rid of civilian jurisdiction :P
I wouldn't mind getting rid of civilian jurisdiction :P
I was thinking of curfew. Civilian Jurisdiction caused us trouble but we got information, too.
I wouldn't mind getting rid of civilian jurisdiction :P
I'd get rid of Isolate a Colonial One :P
I meant to rebalance that card, so it will likely change. But the basic functionality will of course still be there.I wouldn't mind getting rid of civilian jurisdiction :P
I'd get rid of Isolate a Colonial One :P
I meant to rebalance that card, so it will likely change. But the basic functionality will of course still be there.I wouldn't mind getting rid of civilian jurisdiction :P
I'd get rid of Isolate a Colonial One :P
Will scum QT be made public or kept private until alter?No QTs will be made public until the last game has concluded, other than the spectator QTs. Individual QTs will probably persist over the course of the campaign.
Will individual QTs be made public or kept private until alter?
Is there a deadline for this vote of game change? I don't have a lot of time today.I'll give it a week or so. We're not in a hurry.
make it a bit less attractive to choose for the President... probably either by making them voteless for the Day or by shutting down the Colonial One QT.I meant to rebalance that card, so it will likely change. But the basic functionality will of course still be there.I wouldn't mind getting rid of civilian jurisdiction :P
I'd get rid of Isolate a Colonial One :P
Nooooo, my spam!
Can you say what you're thinking about it?
make it a bit less attractive to choose for the President... probably either by making them voteless for the Day or by shutting down the Colonial One QT.I meant to rebalance that card, so it will likely change. But the basic functionality will of course still be there.I wouldn't mind getting rid of civilian jurisdiction :P
I'd get rid of Isolate a Colonial One :P
Nooooo, my spam!
Can you say what you're thinking about it?
Okay, does anyone want to shed light on what happened to me D1, that I didn't even make it to the vote? I'm guessing some sort of random outcome, based on a day-target ability, and I got really unlucky?
As for game modifications available, my biased opinion says Separate military from government since my presidency got me nowhere useful, nor did my QT. Putting a little control over a president seems helpful. I may also be interested in Term limits or the new EO card Course for Kobol even though I have no idea what that would do. I'm also likely going to switch characters, unless someone can give me a good reason to stick with the one I had.
I get where you're coming from here, but there's something I've mentioned before that's relevant: I don't have to be alive in order to win, so scum can't make me collaborate just by threatening to kill me
Sorry, one more, didn't post my response to this -- clearly a survivor would be expected to lie about this, no? I mean, that's "how to survive as a survivor" 101.
Channeling my inner LaLight (RIP), this is an AMAZING point.
Is there any kind of double or team survivor role? (i.e. could they both be survivors?)
scola, what did you mean here about channeling inner LaLight? :)
That was fun. Not the best outcome for me, I lost out on some legacy points, but it was interesting to play such an odd win condition
For legacy reasons, l'll keep it a mystery
Keep what a mystery? The rule changes? I'm fairly sure those would have to be public.
I was talking about mix's question about my legacy points
@Mafia team: why didn't you recruit me? I thought I was pretty clearly signaling to you.
Jack did well to use newbie status to survive. I would definitely have coached him to do the same. That was just smart play.
Yes. This. I want to see town!Jack so much right now.
scolapasta
Man, now I'm even more frustrated with how D2 played out.
How come ADK got exiled with only 3 votes, when it took 5 to exile?
They were double-hated: once from blocking the Viper QT, and another for redirecting from me.
I knew this, and I was also double-hated (cylon tester and pick VP) which is why I was in a hurry. Saying it publicly meant scum could quickhammer.
MiX, I'm sorry, but once again I think your playstyle hurt town. This happened before, this happens again. You dominate the conversation and behave in a way that no one wants to follow you and has any strength to argue with you.
I'm still not sure how I survived after this played out. Are you willing to say now why you were so sure I was scum? Did you have an actual result on me?
How come ADK got exiled with only 3 votes, when it took 5 to exile?
Curfew - doublehated
also, million sorries to you, WCD.
I get where you're coming from here, but there's something I've mentioned before that's relevant: I don't have to be alive in order to win, so scum can't make me collaborate just by threatening to kill me
Sorry, one more, didn't post my response to this -- clearly a survivor would be expected to lie about this, no? I mean, that's "how to survive as a survivor" 101.
Channeling my inner LaLight (RIP), this is an AMAZING point.
Is there any kind of double or team survivor role? (i.e. could they both be survivors?)
scola, what did you mean here about channeling inner LaLight? :)
Oh, just by saying "this is an AMAZING point." I feel like you often (and correctly) remark on things like this and the exuberance always makes me smile. :)
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one. Yeah, scola, the fact you got enough people to townread you to survive after D2 was impressive.
MiX, well-played with whatever went on with you and ADK to pick me, and I'm glad I didn't have to play another day to try to win what would have inevitably been a brutal 1v1 lol.
If ADK hadn't self voted, we might still have exiled Jack or Dylan. Guess that's why ash is saying exile all 3rd parties.
If ADK hadn't self voted, we might still have exiled Jack or Dylan. Guess that's why ash is saying exile all 3rd parties.
I could say what alignment ADK had, they told me that much. But isn't it cooler if it's mysterious instead?
MiX, I'm sorry, but once again I think your playstyle hurt town. This happened before, this happens again. You dominate the conversation and behave in a way that no one wants to follow you and has any strength to argue with you.
That was fun. Not the best outcome for me, I lost out on some legacy points, but it was interesting to play such an odd win conditionFor legacy reasons, l'll keep it a mystery
Keep what a mystery? The rule changes? I'm fairly sure those would have to be public.
I was talking about mix's question about my legacy points
So just to understand, you were not actually a Survivor? But you haven't (and won't) reveal what it was?
I died and still won, so yeah, not a survivor. I have legacy stuff that I assume persists between games that makes me want to keep my exact win condition a mystery. And also having it be a mystery is fun
@scola -- I don't know how you could have recruited me; I assumed the team knew.
@ADK -- you can switch characters and then not worry about the legacy stuff.
@scola -- I don't know how you could have recruited me; I assumed the team knew.
@ADK -- you can switch characters and then not worry about the legacy stuff.
That sounds lame. Unless everyone agrees to switch characters every single game just so we can force faust to pull out ever obscurer characters from the site
You were certain ADK was playing for town, but they weren't.If ADK hadn't self voted, we might still have exiled Jack or Dylan. Guess that's why ash is saying exile all 3rd parties.
ADK can't self-hammer if you don't vote for them. That's why I didn't want to vote for them lol.
Besides, scum can hammer too.
What needed to happen was a quickhammer on scum by town. Unfortunately, that feat is basically impossible, and was never going to happen with how fragmented town was.
MiX, how much was your personal goal affecting your play?
You were certain ADK was playing for town, but they weren't.If ADK hadn't self voted, we might still have exiled Jack or Dylan. Guess that's why ash is saying exile all 3rd parties.
ADK can't self-hammer if you don't vote for them. That's why I didn't want to vote for them lol.
Besides, scum can hammer too.
What needed to happen was a quickhammer on scum by town. Unfortunately, that feat is basically impossible, and was never going to happen with how fragmented town was.
Okay, does anyone want to shed light on what happened to me D1, that I didn't even make it to the vote? I'm guessing some sort of random outcome, based on a day-target ability, and I got really unlucky?
MiX, how much was your personal goal affecting your play?
Too much, but I also grouped in the fact that I got passive information that was probably going to scale in usefulness, so I was valuing my life very highly. I also had the information that ADK claimed third-party, which I felt was important for town to have.You were certain ADK was playing for town, but they weren't.If ADK hadn't self voted, we might still have exiled Jack or Dylan. Guess that's why ash is saying exile all 3rd parties.
ADK can't self-hammer if you don't vote for them. That's why I didn't want to vote for them lol.
Besides, scum can hammer too.
What needed to happen was a quickhammer on scum by town. Unfortunately, that feat is basically impossible, and was never going to happen with how fragmented town was.
They could've just voted for me last day if they wanted to play for scum. Maybe their true win condition didn't allow for that, but what they claimed to me did. The fact they still voted Dylan showed their loyalty.
Yes, and I would've hammered you if we were both at X-1 too. That doesn't mean you didn't go "hey btw mix is double hated so just vote for him and win". It seemed that, between a win and a win, you were favouring town. And that's exactly what town needed from you.
Okay, does anyone want to shed light on what happened to me D1, that I didn't even make it to the vote? I'm guessing some sort of random outcome, based on a day-target ability, and I got really unlucky?
Anyone?
So an assassination.... or at least an attempted one that ended up being successful.Okay, does anyone want to shed light on what happened to me D1, that I didn't even make it to the vote? I'm guessing some sort of random outcome, based on a day-target ability, and I got really unlucky?
Anyone?
I'm not sure if this mechanic will be in future seasons or not so I don't want to say much about what happened, but you being president had a lot to do with it.
I mean, congrats mafia, I guess.
Although, and no offense meant, but town lost this game way more than mafia won it. And I'm accepting any blame that is to go around, as I assume I took the loss as town here since I wasn't listed in the winning players list.
@Mafia team: why didn't you recruit me? I thought I was pretty clearly signaling to you.
@scola -- I don't know how you could have recruited me; I assumed the team knew.So what was all the "you have to exile me now" stuff about?
@ADK -- you can switch characters and then not worry about the legacy stuff.
@scola -- I don't know how you could have recruited me; I assumed the team knew.So what was all the "you have to exile me now" stuff about?
@ADK -- you can switch characters and then not worry about the legacy stuff.
@scola -- I don't know how you could have recruited me; I assumed the team knew.So what was all the "you have to exile me now" stuff about?
@ADK -- you can switch characters and then not worry about the legacy stuff.
Well, with hindsight, he was town-aligned, but knew that if he was recruited he would join us, and begging to be exiled as town was a very clear way of signaling that we should recruit him. Obviously, we kind of overlooked that very obvious possibility lol.
@scola -- I don't know how you could have recruited me; I assumed the team knew.So what was all the "you have to exile me now" stuff about?
@ADK -- you can switch characters and then not worry about the legacy stuff.
Well, with hindsight, he was town-aligned, but knew that if he was recruited he would join us, and begging to be exiled as town was a very clear way of signaling that we should recruit him. Obviously, we kind of overlooked that very obvious possibility lol.
I was town, I figured I was going to be mafia, thought it was in town's best interest to exile me. Basically the same as how we should have exiled ADK as 3rd party.
Mafia never recruited me, so it didn't matter in the end.
I was not a traitor, as I was not cylon-aligned from the beginning. Considering my character and the Cylon test result (later explained to be falsified by mafia!MiX), plus Awaclus's confirmation of alignment-switching, I was guessing that the mafia team could recruit me. I did not have mod confirmation of that fact.
Also, if the Cylon test was at least in part town controlled, town should have said something.
vote: Add a card "Course for Kobol" into the deck
I am almost 99% sure that ash wasn't a hidden traitor. Hidden traitor can not exist in a non-bastard game and if he would have a chance to switch alignments, he would be told this might've happened. I might try asking faustYes.
faust, is it possible to switch alignments in this game in a way that is not known to a player before the start of the game?
for instance, can there be a situation in which I have a town pm and then, say, on N3 it says "you are now in a scum team, here's your QT"?
It's like we're still playing the game! Except scum don't lie, they just don't tell the truth now.
I am almost 99% sure that ash wasn't a hidden traitor. Hidden traitor can not exist in a non-bastard game and if he would have a chance to switch alignments, he would be told this might've happened. I might try asking faustYes.
faust, is it possible to switch alignments in this game in a way that is not known to a player before the start of the game?
for instance, can there be a situation in which I have a town pm and then, say, on N3 it says "you are now in a scum team, here's your QT"?
This seems to be in line with what Awaclus claimed, and he flipped town, so there's no reason to believe he was lying.
It's like we're still playing the game! Except scum don't lie, they just don't tell the truth now.
This seems to be in line with what Awaclus claimed, and he flipped town, so there's no reason to believe he was lying.
It's like we're still playing the game! Except scum don't lie, they just don't tell the truth now.
This feels scummy:
Vote: MiX
Vote: Separate Military from Government
Sorry Mix. Not a fan of the way things played out.
With the way things went, I don't know why nobody is considering the ability to call an election for the president. I think that would be more directly beneficial than basically giving the admiral veto power over a single order, which will practically be the most anti-town option, which in theory is no different than what a president would do with a VP.
Vote: Vote of confidence
Runner Up: Special Counsel
With the way things went, I don't know why nobody is considering the ability to call an election for the president. I think that would be more directly beneficial than basically giving the admiral veto power over a single order, which will practically be the most anti-town option, which in theory is no different than what a president would do with a VP.
Vote: Vote of confidence
Runner Up: Special Counsel
Hmm, because the president has to choose that. And why would they?
Vote: Special CounselEBWOP
Vote: Runner up: Course for Kobol
Vote: Special CounselEBWOP
Vote: Runner up: Course for Kobol
Runner up: Course for Kobol
Vote: Separate Military from Government
Sorry Mix. Not a fan of the way things played out.
But math. You would be vice president. :C
Vote: Special CounselEBWOP
Vote: Runner up: Course for Kobol
Runner up: Course for Kobol
Well, what about Term Limits?
Vote: Special CounselEBWOP
Vote: Runner up: Course for Kobol
Runner up: Course for Kobol
Well, what about Term Limits?
Thought about it, but in the event we get a (virtual) IC as president, it'd probably be better to be able to keep them in the office as long as possible.
It's kind of weird thinking about these choices trying to figure out what is best for town since that's probably the most likely role to draw after playing the first game as scum lol.
Yeah, it's a weird place to ne, having been scum, knowing odds wise will be likely town, but even if scum, will have different partners. i.e. I still feel partners with Jack and Dylan, even though gamewise there's absolutely no reason to be. :)
EFHW, I don’t think you get to pick a runner up. I believe only people that won season 1 can do that.Oh! Ok.
Faust - Is that accurate, can we discuss openly until deadline?Yes. Discuss away!
President Execution: Calandra HendersonConfirmed. The order will be resolved once voting has concluded.
President Execution: Robz
Depending on which one's what I should say.
What is the appeal of 1st day plurality exile? I feel like it makes scumhunting harder and the day less interesting.
What is the appeal of 1st day plurality exile? I feel like it makes scumhunting harder and the day less interesting.
lol remember that game we just played where we couldn't find skum because we had no exiles for 2 days? that :P
That was an anomaly and not likely to happen again. Anyone else?What is the appeal of 1st day plurality exile? I feel like it makes scumhunting harder and the day less interesting.
lol remember that game we just played where we couldn't find skum because we had no exiles for 2 days? that :P
That was an anomaly and not likely to happen again. Anyone else?What is the appeal of 1st day plurality exile? I feel like it makes scumhunting harder and the day less interesting.
lol remember that game we just played where we couldn't find skum because we had no exiles for 2 days? that :P
Sorry if I missed it and this was asked already...Sorry, I missed those questions.
Regarding the Admiral Role.
1. Do they have a QT with Prez?
2. Does the Admiral take over as prez if prez dies, or is there an election?
More votes gives more info, c'mon people, let's get some terms limits in! Plus this way MiX isn't president all of Season1 and 2! :)
(I forget who said something about if the president was an IC but what are the chances if that)
Vote: Term Limits
Runner up: Separate military from government
Do we get to find out if any characters completed their character arcs? i.e. a "current score" of sorts? And if we do, do we get to know what those arcs were?No. You will only find out if your character completed their arc. Scores are secret.
You all realize that Special Counsel is a terrible, terrible option for town, right?
There's a reason "skip a day" is a punishment in mafia game design.
Insurrection
When you draw this, discard it and draw a new card. The third time an Insurrection is drawn, the current President has 72 hours to Step down. If they don't, trigger a turning point.
Wait, how was the winner's vote a tie? As I look at it, Day 1 plurality had ADK only, Kobol had 3/4 of the winner's runner up votes, separate military had 1 vote and 1 runner up vote, and term limits had 1 vote.
Wait, how was the winner's vote a tie? As I look at it, Day 1 plurality had ADK only, Kobol had 3/4 of the winner's runner up votes, separate military had 1 vote and 1 runner up vote, and term limits had 1 vote.
Runner up votes are only considered if the main vote was on the majority's vote (in this case, in Special Counsel).
With the game concluded, it is time to choose end-of-game modifications to the rules. There will be one communal vote on changes, and afterwards another vote only among the winners. The modifications to get the most votes will affect future games. You may vote No Change. Here are the possible modifications:
Game Modifications available
--snip--
It is time for the official vote! All players may vote for a modification by posting Vote: [Option]. Those who won the game may also post Runner-up. [Option]. The deadline for votes is May 04, 2021, 04:00:00 am.
When we reach the deadline, or when everyone placed a vote (whichever happens first), the modification that received the most votes will be done. Then, the modification that received the most votes from winners will be done. If any winner voted for the modification already done by everyone, then their runner-up vote will be considered instead.
If the winners were around just before deadline, to adjust votes as needed, there would have been almost no difference between the two interpretations.