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Archive => Archive => GokoDom => Topic started by: Mean Mr Mustard on March 17, 2012, 03:57:26 am
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<b>Welcome to IsoDom: Challenge!</b>
This is an open, non-elimination Round Robin-type tournament featuring weekly two-player expansion themed match-ups.
<b>Format</b>
This tournament will feature a field of 28 top Dominion players, split by seed and continent into four divisions. All players shall duke it out over the course of six weeks, each week playing a match against a different player within the division with the aim of gaining enough tournament points to win a place at the final table.
<b>Weekly Matches</b>
The IsoDom: Challenge thread will be updated every week with match-ups, current point totals and the weekly theme. Each match will consist of seven games under the following restrictions:
1) Point counter encouraged
2) 6 cards, chosen at random, in each game must belong to the current week's expansion, using the excellent option to filter cards in Isotropic
3) First player position in first game shall be chosen randomly, losing player plays first afterward. In event of a tie, random. We will use the honor system to enforce this; to ensure a random placement make sure to exit and restart Isotropic before the first game and after subsequent ties.
4)The tournament will be scored as follows: each win will be worth 2 Tournament Points, each tie 1, each loss 0.
5) Players report the outcomes of each match, including scores of each game and optional commentary to the weekly tournament thread.
<b>Final Match</b>
The final match will take place between the winners of each division, chosen with the following criteria:
1) Highest Tournament Point total
2) In the case of a tie, a best of seven match will be held to decide who will advance.
The final match will be a five game, four-player free-for-all, scored the following way: 3 Match Points for the win, 2 for second, 1 for third, 0 for last. In the case of a game ending in some kind of a tie, tying players gain the average match score of tying positions. After five games, the player with the highest Match Point total wins the tournament. In the case of a tie of match points a sudden death game will take place between the winners.
Seating position for each game of the final needs to be addressed, and I am open to suggestions about the fairest way to accomplish this.
<b>Sign Up</b>
<b><u>Everyone is encouraged to sign up</b></u>. Unfortunately there are only 27 positions open. The end goal is to have a fun and competitive tournament fielded by players who are willing to commit to see it through to the end. With this in mind, the player pool will be compiled by Mustard using all of the following criteria:
1) Participation in previous IsoDoms
2) Player Ranking
3) Forum participation
Sign-up is now open, and will end 18:00 GMT on Wednesday, March 21
Please include your timezone
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+Geronimoo
Belgium (GMT+1)
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if I am considered a 'top player':
+ lespeutere
edit: Germany, GMT+1
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+ perdhapley
USA, PST
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+MrEevee, Finland GMT+2 i guess.
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I was in... one of the much earlier IsoDoms.
+pops
if you'll have me.
(iso name is pops, not popsofctown)
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Please include your timezone and country. Thanks!
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[Hoping to redeem himself from the last IsoDom]
+tlloyd
Arizona, USA
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I'm far from a top player, but allways up for playing.
ISo name fit1one
Uk
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Rabid
GMT + 0
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*edit* NM
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GMT-5, USA, shark_bait
I'd love to play!
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EDT (GMT-4), USA, rspeer
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Fabian
GMT + 1
I hate hate hate the "highest total score of all games" tie-breaker, no chance of killing it (with fire) and finding something better? The best one almost definitely being "highest number of games going second".
Edit: Sweden
Edit2: Score between the two tying players would be a decent tie-breaker as well.
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DG
GMT
I haven't been playing much on iso recently so I won't have much of a ranking or much form probably.
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Brando Commando -- I'm in Boston, thus EST.
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I would love to play,
Yuma
United States, Mountain Time or GMT -6
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Hi, guys! I'm new here and I'd like to join your company! Of course I'm not a top player but I'd like to participate in the tournament. I hope very much that it will be possible. ;)
Nucleus
Russia, GMT+4
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Just a couple questions
2) 6 cards, chosen at random, in each game must belong to the current week's expansion, using the excellent option to filter cards in Isotropic
So I assume these themes will be a weekly process. Is there no way to speed up the process? Like play more than one matchup a week because of the 'themes'. I thought part of the benefits of doing this was to be able to go at your own sort of speed.
2) In the case of a tie, highest total score of all games. Yes, this is an encouragement to <i>run up the score</i>.
How do resignations affect this? Do they get the score that they were left with?
I'm not sure the best experience would be to have people not play for 3-pile wins and drag out these Goons game just to maybe break a tie. I think people will get really upset either watching someone dragging out a Goon's game to their benefit OR the person resigns the turn before they play their tactician in a goon's game blah blah blah.
I agree with Fabian that 2nd player wins (or games overall) is a good indicator. I don't see why they couldn't just play a quick set of 3/5/7 games to decide who wins.
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Also...
RisingJaguar
GMT-5... EST timezone.
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i'm in!
GMT-4 / EDT
EDIT: what jonts26 said
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I'm game.
EDT(GMT-4), USA.
EDIT: Yep, forgot about daylight savings.
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I'll play
US Central (GMT-5 now that we hit daylight savings - everyone else in the US is getting this wrong...)
And if it weren't for the special sets every week, I would suggest just saying 'here, you have these 6 people to play, you have X weeks to play them all' so that more flexibility can potentially be thrown in.
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I'd love to join!
Isoname: Dubdubdubdub
Netherlands, GMT+1
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Robz888 -- Eastern Standard Time (Michigan, USA)
I would really love to participate!
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michaeljb
Colorado, USA
GMT-7
+1 to Fabian's post about the tiebreakers
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let's do this.
mikemike
US central
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Mangsky
Hardly a good player but I am Asian so I hope that helps diversity lol
I can play any time of the day :)
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Isotropic name: AHoppy
USA EST
My level is low, but I was at 11 at one point, but i'd love to play
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I'm in
JanErik
Germany (GMT +1)
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Iso name: ^_^_^_^
USA, same time as default forum time. Sorry, I don't know time zones :p
I was in the last one's preliminary that I lost after some extremely close games. Can't wait to see this one :)
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+ Young Nick (it may be listed as The Real ~~**Young Nick**~~)
USA, EST.
I was in the last Isodom, I believe.
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Dghunter79 of Los Angeles (pst). Not an elite player.
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O -- PST
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Titandrake, PST
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Graystripe77 EST
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I'm interested, but it's ok if I'm too late.
new to the forum, just been lurking a few weeks (pretty new to the game, too, my addiction is a month or two old)
iso name: elahrairah13
currently level 25
eastern time... daytimes are real convenient for me
thanks!
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Im totally down! PST, Insomniac-X, Canada
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A_S00
Central Standard Time (USA)
Was in the last IsoDom, but none before that; currently level 37.
Hope I can participate, but either way, thanks for putting this together!
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At some point it becomes viable to have a two-section (open/reserve) tournament. Even if space wasn't an issue it would allow for lower levels to play games in a competition environment without having to get crushed every time. The system is commonly done in chess, scrabble, etc.
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Good point, an A tournament and B tournament is pretty common in big chess tournaments I believe. It would kinda suck to have 56 registrants and only 28 of them got to play?
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I love this Game! :)
Brathannes
Ger - GMT +1
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Kirian
USA East
GMT - 4 (DST)
Currently level 30? so probably in the B tourney. MMM, if you would need help running a B bracket, I'd be willing to help out.
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As a side note, I am only level 16 fluctuating on isotropic and well that may be because i rarely play games on there except when these tourneys come up and sometimes against my girlfriend when its a hassle to set up the actual game.
Now that said I still think that the A/B division would probably put me in B league, but if its all the same I personally would prefer to be in the A league as I would rather get smashed against someone far better than have an close match against someone closer to my skill. You learn more about how to play the game at a high level when you play against someone much better than you. I have found this to be true of all games, board or video. When you play against someone better than you it forces you to adapt.
Thusly I am opposed to the A/B division. I am not opposed to divisions if they help more people play, I just think that skill division is terrible.
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I don't want to be a party pooper, so let me first thank MMM for all the effort he's gone to in running these tournaments.
Having said that, are you *sure* that you want total score to be a tiebreaker, with the encouragement of running up the score? Not only does that give huge swings solely based on what Kingdom cards you play with, but it also creates the potential for insanely long games. Anyone playing a board with any sort of Village, Goons, and Watchtower is going to have to sit through running out the Copper, Silver, and Gold piles.
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As a side note, I am only level 16 fluctuating on isotropic and well that may be because i rarely play games on there except when these tourneys come up and sometimes against my girlfriend when its a hassle to set up the actual game.
Now that said I still think that the A/B division would probably put me in B league, but if its all the same I personally would prefer to be in the A league as I would rather get smashed against someone far better than have an close match against someone closer to my skill. You learn more about how to play the game at a high level when you play against someone much better than you. I have found this to be true of all games, board or video. When you play against someone better than you it forces you to adapt.
Thusly I am opposed to the A/B division. I am not opposed to divisions if they help more people play, I just think that skill division is terrible.
The problem is, good players prefer playing other good players rather than smashing newbies, too. Everyone wants to play against the strong players.
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I also want to chime in to say that I'm against the score tiebreaker; it stops people from resigning, it encourages running up the score, and it even promotes collusion :/
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I would like to play if there is a spot left
[MAD] Mergus
Mountain Standard Time
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If I can get in...
antony
PST
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What is this 'Standard Time' business. Almost nowhere is in Standard time stateside right now.
/rant about timezones.
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OP Edit:
The final match will take place between the winners of each division, chosen with the following criteria:
1) Highest Tournament Point total
2) In the case of a tie, a best of seven match will be held to decide who will advance.
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+gorgonstar
US
PST - Pacific time
Level 30
And thanks for Mean Mr. Mustard for setting this up.
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Damn! Probably to late.
Isoname: ArjanB
Netherlands, GMT+1
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Count me in:
IsoName: Tonks77
GMT+1 (Germany)
Currently hovering around Iso-Level 28, but had a peak at 34.
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I am in
Isoname: mnavratil
GMT-6 (Central Time)
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I'm in!
iso name: ugasoft
ranking: 37.847 ± 11.025
level 26
CET (GMT+1, Italy)
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I want to be a part of this.
Lekkit
Sweden (GMT+1)
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Isotropic name: andwilk
Time zone: EDT/GMT-4
I've been looking forward to playing in one of these tournaments! I just hope that I make the cut since this would be my first IsoDom tournament and I'm mostly a forum lurker. I usually float between level 30-32 so I have that going for me at least. ;D
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Just a reminder, sign-ups are open for another 2 days. I am entertaining the possibility of running two groups of 28 if there are enough people.
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I think it's about time I entered another tournament, although my play has gotten very sloppy lately.
Axxle
California, USA
PDT (GMT -7)
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I'll sign up! First tournament for me.
Handle: blueblimp
Timezone: EDT (but I'm pretty flexible)
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I'm curious about why 28 people was the amount chosen. Split that into 4 divisions, and you get 7 people per division. This will cause each player to have a bye week if I'm understanding the format correctly. Wouldn't it make more sense to have an even number of people per division or was the bye week included on purpose?
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Just a reminder, sign-ups are open for another 2 days. I am entertaining the possibility of running two groups of 28 if there are enough people.
What would determine the groups?
Would the final then be between the top 2 from each group or would each group have their own tournament in its entirety?
(I know the skill has been decided as a group factor and I am opposed to that for reasons including my preference to the actual physical game [thus I dont play on iso that much] but many tournaments that do groupings by skill have the top player of the bottom division play the top player from the top division in the finals)
Another alternative I could see would be to start it off as a 56 tournament and create a winner and losers bracket based on the first week.
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Mic Qsenoch
CDT (GMT -5)
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CarpeDeezNuts
CDT (GMT -5) UNITED STATES
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I'm in if there's still space.
Jorbles
PST
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If there's room :)
Masticore
MST (GMT -7) United States (colorado)
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As one who might not make the cut for playing, we all need to realize that this is Mean Mr. Mustard's Tournament. He is organizing it and he can do what he wants with it--that isn't saying that people on here have been rude or anything, mostly everyone has been very polite with their suggestions.
That said, if MMM decided to have 28 players for a reason and it is up to him to change it. If he decides not to there isn't anything stopping others from starting their own tournaments.
Mostly what I am saying is that we shouldn't expect MMM to cater to all of us. We can start our own tournaments if we feel left out.
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That said, if MMM decided to have 28 players for a reason and it is up to him to change it. If he decides not to there isn't anything stopping others from starting their own tournaments.
Mostly what I am saying is that we shouldn't expect MMM to cater to all of us. We can start our own tournaments if we feel left out.
I agree, which is why I volunteered earlier to help run a B division if MMM is OK with it. We're currently at 52(?) signups, so having enough for a separate division is very, very likely.
I suspect the reasoning behind 28 as opposed to 32 is two-fold: First, it shortens things by a week; second, it makes a tie in the pools (slightly) less likely.
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I would love to play.
Just started playing Dominion in December, but slowly building my level (currently 23 - and last 3 day "average win points" is 1.29 vs. 1.11 lifetime).
Time zone: GMT-8 (Seattle - Pacific Time)
Country: USA (but from Canada)
Thanks for organizing,
ed
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Iso name: Coheed (level 30-32)
Time zone: USA, PST but I can play at literally anytime, I change my sleep schedule frequently.
Love the idea, thanks for organizing
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That said, if MMM decided to have 28 players for a reason and it is up to him to change it. If he decides not to there isn't anything stopping others from starting their own tournaments.
Mostly what I am saying is that we shouldn't expect MMM to cater to all of us. We can start our own tournaments if we feel left out.
I agree, which is why I volunteered earlier to help run a B division if MMM is OK with it. We're currently at 52(?) signups, so having enough for a separate division is very, very likely.
I suspect the reasoning behind 28 as opposed to 32 is two-fold: First, it shortens things by a week; second, it makes a tie in the pools (slightly) less likely.
I hope I wasn't taken the wrong way. Mean Mr. Mustard is already very generous with his time on these tournaments and my suggestion wasn't trying to demand for him specifically to do anything.
If MMM (very understandably) doesn't want to simultaneously run two tournaments I would also be willing to help you with the lower bracket. I wonder (hope?) though: are the people that signed up signing up only if they get in MMM's bracket, or would they all be willing to be in the lower one? (I personally would play in either, though at 38 I think its relatively likely i'll sneak into the upper bracket)
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That said, if MMM decided to have 28 players for a reason and it is up to him to change it. If he decides not to there isn't anything stopping others from starting their own tournaments.
Mostly what I am saying is that we shouldn't expect MMM to cater to all of us. We can start our own tournaments if we feel left out.
I agree, which is why I volunteered earlier to help run a B division if MMM is OK with it. We're currently at 52(?) signups, so having enough for a separate division is very, very likely.
I suspect the reasoning behind 28 as opposed to 32 is two-fold: First, it shortens things by a week; second, it makes a tie in the pools (slightly) less likely.
I hope I wasn't taken the wrong way. Mean Mr. Mustard is already very generous with his time on these tournaments and my suggestion wasn't trying to demand for him specifically to do anything.
If MMM (very understandably) doesn't want to simultaneously run two tournaments I would also be willing to help you with the lower bracket. I wonder (hope?) though: are the people that signed up signing up only if they get in MMM's bracket, or would they all be willing to be in the lower one? (I personally would play in either, though at 38 I think its relatively likely i'll sneak into the upper bracket)
I would play in either
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If not to late =):
StickaRicka
GMT+1 (Denmark)
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That said, if MMM decided to have 28 players for a reason and it is up to him to change it. If he decides not to there isn't anything stopping others from starting their own tournaments.
Mostly what I am saying is that we shouldn't expect MMM to cater to all of us. We can start our own tournaments if we feel left out.
I agree, which is why I volunteered earlier to help run a B division if MMM is OK with it. We're currently at 52(?) signups, so having enough for a separate division is very, very likely.
I suspect the reasoning behind 28 as opposed to 32 is two-fold: First, it shortens things by a week; second, it makes a tie in the pools (slightly) less likely.
I hope I wasn't taken the wrong way. Mean Mr. Mustard is already very generous with his time on these tournaments and my suggestion wasn't trying to demand for him specifically to do anything.
If MMM (very understandably) doesn't want to simultaneously run two tournaments I would also be willing to help you with the lower bracket. I wonder (hope?) though: are the people that signed up signing up only if they get in MMM's bracket, or would they all be willing to be in the lower one? (I personally would play in either, though at 38 I think its relatively likely i'll sneak into the upper bracket)
I certainly didn't take it as you demanding anything. :)
And I'd be highly surprised if people weren't willing to play in a second bracket.
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Long time lurker, first time poster.
Nicki Menagerie
EDT (GMT -4)
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That said, if MMM decided to have 28 players for a reason and it is up to him to change it. If he decides not to there isn't anything stopping others from starting their own tournaments.
Mostly what I am saying is that we shouldn't expect MMM to cater to all of us. We can start our own tournaments if we feel left out.
I agree, which is why I volunteered earlier to help run a B division if MMM is OK with it. We're currently at 52(?) signups, so having enough for a separate division is very, very likely.
I suspect the reasoning behind 28 as opposed to 32 is two-fold: First, it shortens things by a week; second, it makes a tie in the pools (slightly) less likely.
Except by having groups of 7 only 6 people get to play each week.
So it still take 7 weeks to have all play all.
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BJ Penn
US Central Time
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Update:
I have accepted Kirian's offer to help manage this and we are going to be as accommodating to everyone who signed up as we can.
Thanks for the feedback.
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I would love to play if you have room!
Name: zxcvbn2
Level:21
Time Zone: Eastern, US but willing to play at any time.
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If there's still room I'd like to play!
Nickname: ebEliminator
Time Zone: US Central (-5)
Level: 17
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I want to join!
GMT +1
level: 25
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Can I play to? 8)
angrybirds, -5 time zone i think????
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Okay, locking thread. It may take me several hours to compile all of you.