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Dominion => Dominion General Discussion => Topic started by: Phil on August 24, 2019, 12:52:08 am
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I'm not a fan of the change to how shuffling works in 2E in real life; on d.g I don't care because, hey, computers. IRL, though, I don't like that I need to count how many cards I have left to draw before I go, "oh, wait, shuffle before drawing these." It feels inelegant.
Ignoring the fact that Stash got reworded to have the same effect--I have a 1E copy of Stash anyhow--what cares about the change to the shuffle mechanism?
The only thing that comes to mind is Star Chart, which is slightly stronger with the 1E shuffle, as you can look at the half-hand you draw before you decide what to put on top. Given that it's a Project that everyone can buy, I don't actually care that it's slightly stronger.
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At the time Dominion 2nd edition came out, it was only Stash. After that we have had Nocturne and Renaissance. It sounds right that it would be only Star Chart.
As you note, Stash was changhed, but actually it's not entirely accurate now. It doesn't take into consideration the cards Annex, Donate, Famine and Inn. Normally you shuffle your discard pile, not your remaining deck, but those cards let you shuffle your remaining deck. So Stash literally says you get to look through your deck before placing Stash in it, which is not the case. Maybe it would be better to keep the old wording on Stash, and have it work the same way as Star Chart. But maybe the thought is that Stash would get too weak. It's already so weak though that I'm not sure it would make much of a difference.
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It indirectly buffs Library, Hunting Party, and other cards that reveal as you draw, when combined with Star Chart.
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It indirectly buffs Library, Hunting Party, and other cards that reveal as you draw, when combined with Star Chart.
I don't see how the rules change makes a difference there. You shuffle at the same time anyway, and have seen all the revealed cards.
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It indirectly buffs Library, Hunting Party, and other cards that reveal as you draw, when combined with Star Chart.
I don't see how the rules change makes a difference there. You shuffle at the same time anyway, and have seen all the revealed cards.
I think he means when compared to regular draw like Smithy. Smithy + Star Chart is weaker under the new rule, while Library + Star Chart is the same.
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At the time Dominion 2nd edition came out, it was only Stash. After that we have had Nocturne and Renaissance. It sounds right that it would be only Star Chart.
As you note, Stash was changhed, but actually it's not entirely accurate now. It doesn't take into consideration the cards Annex, Donate, Famine and Inn. Normally you shuffle your discard pile, not your remaining deck, but those cards let you shuffle your remaining deck. So Stash literally says you get to look through your deck before placing Stash in it, which is not the case. Maybe it would be better to keep the old wording on Stash, and have it work the same way as Star Chart. But maybe the thought is that Stash would get too weak. It's already so weak though that I'm not sure it would make much of a difference.
Wasn’t first edition Stash already inaccurate in the same way? Both editions play as if they actually refer to shuffling a set of cards with Stash itself in it, don’t they?
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I think he means when compared to regular draw like Smithy. Smithy + Star Chart is weaker under the new rule, while Library + Star Chart is the same.
Then it would be more accurate to say that Smithy is gimped when combined with Star Chart, which is true even without comparing to Library.
Wasn’t first edition Stash already inaccurate in the same way? Both editions play as if they actually refer to shuffling a set of cards with Stash itself in it, don’t they?
The first edition was not inaccurate since it didn't refer to looking at any card.
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I think he means when compared to regular draw like Smithy. Smithy + Star Chart is weaker under the new rule, while Library + Star Chart is the same.
Then it would be more accurate to say that Smithy is gimped when combined with Star Chart, which is true even without comparing to Library.
Wasn’t first edition Stash already inaccurate in the same way? Both editions play as if they actually refer to shuffling a set of cards with Stash itself in it, don’t they?
The first edition was not inaccurate since it didn't refer to looking at any card.
I guess it was inaccurate in a different way; since it failed to mention that the Stash itself needs to be among the shuffled cards for its ability to do anything. I misread what you were saying at first.
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I guess it was inaccurate in a different way; since it failed to mention that the Stash itself needs to be among the shuffled cards for its ability to do anything. I misread what you were saying at first.
That's true, and the 2nd edition actually corrected that inaccuracy. But it was a purely technical inaccuracy, nobody actually thought you could take all the Stashes in the game and put them in your deck whenever you shuffle. The new one can potentially create confusion.
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I do.
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I still don't understand any of it, but I don't have Stash.