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Title: Which cards are the most affected by Capitalism?
Post by: RandomGuy804 on January 28, 2019, 04:03:33 pm
I was playing a game with friends after I'd bought Renaissance.  We did a whole game of all Action cards giving money and Capitalism and it raised an interesting question:  We know what cards are affected by Capitalism, but which cards are the most changed, positively or negatively, when under Capitalism?

The cards in question don't have to be directly affected by Capitalism (i.e. have +coin in their text), but they benefit in some way, either positively or negatively by the addition of Capitalism.

A good example of a card positively affected, proven during our game, is Minion.  Minion in and of itself can be irritating when played as an action, but can be even more devilish as a Treasure; since you can play it as a Treasure during your Buy Phase (with Capitalism), the smartest play is to use it to discard unnecessary Victory cards from your hand and draw 4 more cards, possibly allowing you to get even more Treasures (or Minions)

Since most cards in some way are positively affected, I was also wondering about cards that are negatively affected, and nothing really came to mind.  Maybe Poor House, but even then I could see it as valuable if it's the last Treasure you play when you have no more Treasures in hand.

So, which cards do you guys think are the most positively or negatively affected by Capitalism?  I'd love to hear what people think.
Title: Re: Which cards are the most affected by Capitalism?
Post by: GendoIkari on January 28, 2019, 04:27:01 pm
I think Poor House is definitely a positive change. Yes, you can't get (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/2/2a/Coin4.png/16px-Coin4.png) from more than one per turn easily. But you CAN get (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/2/2a/Coin4.png/16px-Coin4.png) from one guaranteed every time. That makes the first Poor House you buy better than any Gold.

Pirate Ship is one of the biggest winners. Thief gets a big boost too.
Title: Re: Which cards are the most affected by Capitalism?
Post by: faust on January 28, 2019, 04:28:44 pm
Quote from: RandomGuy804 on January 28, 2019, 04:03:33 pm
Since most cards in some way are positively affected, I was also wondering about cards that are negatively affected, and nothing really came to mind. 
Loan.
Title: Re: Which cards are the most affected by Capitalism?
Post by: GendoIkari on January 28, 2019, 04:33:21 pm
Quote from: faust on January 28, 2019, 04:28:44 pm
Quote from: RandomGuy804 on January 28, 2019, 04:03:33 pm
Since most cards in some way are positively affected, I was also wondering about cards that are negatively affected, and nothing really came to mind. 
Loan.

Alms (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Alms).
Title: Re: Which cards are the most affected by Capitalism?
Post by: jsh357 on January 28, 2019, 04:34:53 pm
The buff for Poor House really isn't that significant. It's just coin at the end of the day. A little cheaper, but unimpressive. Pirate Ship is likely the most significant buff overall, as it becomes a deadly attack card under Capitalism. The amount of potential sales hurt by piracy is not to be underestimated.
Title: Re: Which cards are the most affected by Capitalism?
Post by: GendoIkari on January 28, 2019, 04:44:50 pm
Quote from: jsh357 on January 28, 2019, 04:34:53 pm
The buff for Poor House really isn't that significant. It's just coin at the end of the day. A little cheaper, but unimpressive.

I'm no expert, but I would think a treasure that costs (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/f/f7/Coin1.png/16px-Coin1.png) and produces (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/2/2a/Coin4.png/16px-Coin4.png) would be super strong. Copper and 2 Poor Houses is a Province, no matter what else is in your hand.
Title: Re: Which cards are the most affected by Capitalism?
Post by: Chris is me on January 28, 2019, 05:53:46 pm
Patron gets really, really nice with Capitalism. It lets you essentially use it as a Village in the right circumstances.
Title: Re: Which cards are the most affected by Capitalism?
Post by: aku_chi on January 29, 2019, 09:00:54 am
Quote from: GendoIkari on January 28, 2019, 04:44:50 pm
Quote from: jsh357 on January 28, 2019, 04:34:53 pm
The buff for Poor House really isn't that significant. It's just coin at the end of the day. A little cheaper, but unimpressive.

I'm no expert, but I would think a treasure that costs (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/f/f7/Coin1.png/16px-Coin1.png) and produces (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/2/2a/Coin4.png/16px-Coin4.png) would be super strong. Copper and 2 Poor Houses is a Province, no matter what else is in your hand.

It would be super strong in the opening, but you don't (usually) have Capitalism in the opening.  If you're getting Capitalism just for Poor House, now you've spent a $5 and two $1 buys for $7 of payload over two stop cards.  I agree with jsh; Poor House is fine with Capitalism, but it's not a can't-miss synergy.  Pirate Ship and Minion are much stronger synergies.
Title: Re: Which cards are the most affected by Capitalism?
Post by: ednever on January 29, 2019, 11:12:57 am
It depends if there is $ based payload. But if there is then Steward is pretty great. It's a $3 lab that can be played for $$$s if you draw your deck.

(But it needs a card to play after you have drawn everything. Something like Goons or Giant or Courier even can work)
Title: Re: Which cards are the most affected by Capitalism?
Post by: werothegreat on January 31, 2019, 09:18:44 am
Mint: buy it before you buy Capitalism.