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Miscellaneous => Forum Games => Mafia Game Threads => Topic started by: iguanaiguana on March 26, 2018, 11:25:28 am
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welcome to M115: Okkervil River Mafia
this game will use schadd9++, an invented semi-open setup for 13 players that schadd did one time
mod: Iguana Iguana
tags:
All the little sadies and the literary ladies
1. Robz
2. IDontPlayThisGame
3. McMcsalot
4. e
5. The Wine Merchant Lalight
6. Datswan
7. Spaceanemone
8. Galzria Hydrad
9. Roadrunner Cuzz
10. EFHW
11. O
12. Faust
13. Gkrieg
The Rules:
The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.
The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
5. All night actions must be submitted within 40 hours of day ending.
6. Players must post once every 24 hours.
7. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
8. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
9. Cryptography is not allowed.
10. The time between a lynch being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the lynched player.
11. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except their Role QT. A lynched player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
12. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.
The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable, or any string that uniquely identifies a user. Note that the point of voting is, in fact, unambiguity, and attempting to make it unclear to other players (or, of course, mods) which user you are voting for is very ill-advised.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may vote: no lynch.
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone.
6. If a majority lynch is not reached by the Day's deadline, no lynch occurs.
The Rest:
1. Bold, teal text is reserved for the mod. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via PM. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. One prod will be issued after 24 hours without posting in the game thread. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after two prods.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.
8. Each player will receive their own QT, regardless of role. Don't quote from it.
9. If the game goes on for 3 days and 3 nights without a lynch or nightkill, town wins.
Deadlines:
7-day Days, 2-day Nights
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There is a mix of caps and no-caps because I edited the flavor but not the content of schadd's setup.
schadd9++ is a setup that in the style of other setups that say "9++" at the end such as asher9++, faust9++, C9++, etc.
The players consist of 3 mafia, 9-10 town and 0-1 serial killers.
With some exceptions, each game will include Will Sheff, a named tracker.
The distribution of other power roles is determined by a set of 6 random numbers; 5 from 1-10 and 1 from 5-10, with different amounts of each number resulting in different types and amounts of power roles.
1-4: T, Townie
5: W, Wildcard
6: S, Castle
7: L, River
8: G, Valley
9: O, Ship
10: P, Austin
Once the set of 6 letters is produced, I'll add power roles to the setup based on the below list, which maps certain amounts of each letter to certain sets of PRs.
See the end of the post for role PMs for each role.
Austin
This wish just to go back, hey
When I know wasn't ever, ever happy
Show me my best memory, it's probably super crappy.
Nine years down in Texas
With sluts of both sexes
Liars, lumps, and drug addicts, and drunks; I love my friends
But I can't stop without going all the way
And I've been that way since '83.
(https://youtu.be/56T0DeDL0rw?t=66)
P: 1-shot bulletproofer
PP: 1-shot bulletproofer, Drunk
PPP: 1-shot bulletproofer, Drunk, Drunk
PPPP: 1-shot bulletproofer, 1-shot bulletproofer, Drunk
PPPPP: 1-shot bulletproofer, 1-shot bulletproofer, Drunk, Drunk
PPPPPP: 1-shot bulletproofer, 1-shot bulletproofer, 1-shot bulletproofer, Drunk
The Ship
We packed up all of our bags
The ship's deck now sags from the weight of our tracks
As we pace beneath flags black and battered
Rattling our swords in service of some faded foreign lord
We sail out on orders from him but we find
The maps he sent to us don't mention lost coastlines
Where nothing we've actually seen has been mapped or outlined
And we don't recognize the names upon these signs
And every night finds us rocking and rolling on waves wild and wide
Well, we have lost our way, but nobody's going to say it outright
(https://youtu.be/4PjNnCRA6Ts?t=111)
O: Tracker (not named)
OO: Tracker, Drunk
OOO: Tracker, Drunk, Townrole Cop
OOOO: Tracker, Tracker, Townrole Cop
OOOOO: Tracker, Tracker, Townrole Cop, Drunk
OOOOOO: Tracker, Tracker, Townrole Cop, Drunk, Townrole Cop OR Tracker (coinflip chooses between TRC or tracker)
The Valley
Watch the sun switching in the sky, off and on
Where our friend stands bleeding on the late summer lawn
A slicked back bloody black gunshot to the head
He has fallen in the valley of the rock and roll dead (https://youtu.be/vCAAceeWA_Q)
G: Vengeful
GG: Dayvig
GGG: Vengeful, Dayvig
GGGG: Dayvig, Dayvig
GGGGG: Vengeful, Dayvig, Dayvig
GGGGGG: Dayvig, Dayvig, Dayvig
The River
Down by Okkervil River's cigarettes and rusty tires
We made ourselves an altar, we lit our nightly fires
And the smoke lay thick and smothered all the skunk cabbage and vines
Where Gods were born and Gods lay down to die
(https://youtu.be/o57KlOsSMrc?t=57)
L: Universal Backup
LL: UB, Tracker
LLL: UB, Inventor
LLLL: UB, Inventor, Drunk
LLLLL: Inventor, Inventor, Drunk
LLLLLL: Inventor, Inventor, Drunk, UB
The Castle
And I think I believe that if stones could dream
They'd dream of being laid side-by-side, piece-by-piece
And turned into a castle for some towering queen
They're unable to know.
(https://youtu.be/zEWnVLHRMBo?t=267)
0S: a random townie is Hidden Ascetic
S: 1-shot Bulletproof 1-shot ninja Serial Killer
SS: same SK, one letter is added to W
SSS: Will Sheff becomes a 1-shot Bulletproof Jailkeeper instead of a Tracker
SSSS: same Will Sheff modification, Anarchic Cop
SSSSS: same Will Sheff modification, Anarchic Cop, one letter is added to W
SSSSSS: same Will Sheff modification, Anarchic Cop with two shots, one letter is added to W
Wildcard
What gives this mess some grace
Unless it's kicks, man
Unless it's fiction
Unless it's sweat or it's songs.
(https://youtu.be/gN7FyzHM9Xo)
borrowing from faust9++ (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.ph...56702), wildcard is a separate roll that simulates a roll of another random category (not including the castle). for example, a roll of OOWWTT where W is chosen to simulate O would result in two Trackers and two Drunks, whereas OOOOTT would result in 2 Trackers and a Townrole Cop.
Mafia
I thought that it was us against the world
But now it's me against something so big and abstract
That I can't tell what it is (https://youtu.be/joC7htWpM2I)
the mafia receive power roles in inverse to the amount of T rolls, and thus in proportion to the town's power roles.
TTTTT: Goon, Goon, Goon,
TTTT: Goon, 1-shot Roleblocker, 1-shot Rolestopper,
TTT: Tracker OR Townrole Cop, 1-shot Roleblocker, 1-shot Rolestopper,
TT: Tracker OR Townrole Cop, 1-shot Roleblocker, 1-shot Rolestopper, one randomly chosen mafia is hidden Commuter
T: Tracker OR Townrole Cop, Roleblocker and Rolestopper with 5 communal shots, hidden Commuter
0T: Tracker OR Townrole Cop, Roleblocker and Rolestopper with 5 communal shots, hidden Commuter, Daytalk for Day 3 only
Role PMs:
you are a vanilla townie. you have no powers other than a vote
you win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
you are Will Sheff, the town's named tracker. each night, you may target someone to learn who, if anyone, they visit.
you win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
you are Will Sheff, the town's 1-shot bulletproof jailkeeper. each night, you may target someone to simultaneously prevent their night actions from working and protect them from one killing action. you will also automatically survive one killing action during the game.
you win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
you are a town drunk. each night, you may target someone to be targeted by all actions targeting that person. if your target was visited by any other player, you will receive a note saying "i had a great time last night ;)"
you win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
you are a town 1-shot bulletproofer. once, at night, you can target someone to protect them from the next successful kill they are targeted by, if any.
you win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
you are a town tracker. each night, you may target someone to learn who, if anyone, they visit.
you win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
you are a town townrole cop. each night, you may target someone to learn whether they are a town power role and, if so, what kind.
you win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
you are a vengeful townie. if you are ever lynched, you will have a 24-hour twilight to choose someone to kill.
you win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
you are a town dayvig. once, during the day, you may post shoot: (player name) in the game thread to kill them; unless the kill is blocked, they will flip, everyone automatically unvotes and 48 hours are added to the Day's deadline. you may not do this after a lynch is achieved.
you win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
you are a town universal backup. the first time a town non-VT non-vengeful role dies, you will inherit their (remaining) abilities and become informed whom, if anybody, they targeted and what results they received. if multiple such roles die in one night, you will inherit whichever has its role PM listed first in the role PMs post.
you win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
you are a town inventor. you have three inventions: a doctor, a tracker, and a townrole cop. each night, you may choose one of your inventions to send to a target if you have any remaining. if the action succeeds, they will be able to use that ability for one night in addition to any other abilities they may have.
they will be informed that they received the invention the morning after you send it, but not the identity of the sender.
you win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
you are a mafia goon. each night, you may talk to your partners in [qt] and one of you may use the factional kill.
you win when all non-mafia roles are dead or when nothing can stop that from happening.
you are a mafia 1-shot roleblocker. each night, you may talk to your partners in [qt] and one of you may use the factional kill. additionally, once, at night, you may target a player to prevent any of their roles from working.
you win when all non-mafia roles are dead or when nothing can stop that from happening.
you are a mafia 1-shot rolestopper. each night, you may talk to your partners in [qt] and one of you may use the factional kill. additionally, once, at night, you may target a player to prevent actions targeting that player from succeeding.
you win when all non-mafia roles are dead or when nothing can stop that from happening.
you are a mafia tracker. each night, you may talk to your partners in [qt] and one of you may use the factional kill. additionally, each night, you may target a player to learn who, if anybody, they visit.
you win when all non-mafia roles are dead or when nothing can stop that from happening.
you are a mafia townrole cop. each night, you may talk to your partners in [qt] and one of you may use the factional kill. additionally, each night, you may target a player to learn whether they are a town power role, and, if so, what kind.
you win when all non-mafia roles are dead or when nothing can stop that from happening.
you are a mafia communal rolestopper. each night, you may talk to your partners in [qt] and one of you may use the factional kill. additionally, at night, you may target a player to prevent actions targeting that player from succeeding. between you and your roleblocker partner, you may use 5 actions.
you win when all non-mafia roles are dead or when nothing can stop that from happening.
you are a mafia communal roleblocker. each night, you may talk to your partners in [qt] and one of you may use the factional kill. additionally, at night, you may target a player to prevent any of their roles from working. between you and your rolestopper partner, you may use 5 actions.
you win when all non-mafia roles are dead or when nothing can stop that from happening.
you are a 1-shot bulletproof, 1-shot serial killer. each night, you may kill one player; once per game, you may choose to render this kill unnoticeable to trackers. you will also automatically survive one killing action during the game.
you win when all other players are dead or when only one townsperson, one mafia, and yourself are alive.
clarifications:
general:
-an action that fails in any way will still use a shot wherever that's relevant
drunks:
-drunks are incapable of being roleblocked, due to all the friendly people helping you out in the Austin scene. if a drunk or a drunk's target is blocked, nothing happens; if a drunk or a drunk's target is jailed, the drunk is protected from one kill. rolestoppers still work, because they're different
-drunks can cause duplicate inventions to be given.
-all investigative results are given as "{player} was {result}," thus an investigative with a drunk targeting their target would get multiple results and be able to determine who was the drunk.
Austin:
-targets of the 1-shot bulletproofer are not notified that they were targeted by that thing
-if someone is targeted by multiple instances of bulletproofing, they will be able to survive that many kills. Will Sheff with the Castle's modification will also stack in that way.
Valley:
-both vengeful and dayvig are affected by commuting and bulletproof
River:
-universal backup's inheriting ability is not affected by roleblockers
-universal backups ignore inventions that have been given to people, but not power roles that do not have any shots left
-in the event of multiple universal backups, both of them can inherit the same thing and ignore each other
-the usage of an invention does not impede the use of any other action
-receivers of inventions also receive essentially role PMs for what their inventions do
Castle
-hidden ascetic doesn't flip
-anarchic cop is an ability usable by any player during the day that is activated by saying "howdy ho mary belle" in the game thread and results in the moderator publicly announcing the alignment of the person who posted it. if a non-town uses this ability, the shot isn't used up. in the SSSSSS scenario, there are two shots to the anarchic cop, which becomes clear after the first one is used.
Mafia
-any form of roleblocker or rolestopper will flip as "roleblocker" or "rolestopper"; communal roleblockers/stoppers look the same as 1-shot ones
-hidden commuter doesn't flip
-scum don't know they have day 3 talk until day 3, when i will say "hey guys the thread is still unlocked....... wanna keep saying stuff..............?"
-scum can action and kill on the same night
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Flavor will be handled similarly to Sufjan Stevens Mafia.
One town role flavor name was created for each town power role that exists in the game beyond Will Sheff plus each scum role that exists in the game, then each town role flavor name was assigned as either a role name to a town power role or as a fakeclaim for a scum role.
VTs will not be given flavor names, but will be given lyrics relevant to the person/situation at the time of their flip.
Any scum player can also request a flavor name at any time for any role that is possible in the setup and the mod will provide a safe flavor name for that role.
The purpose of this method is to make flavor irrelevant to gameplay.
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Shouldn’t it be 1-shot 1-shot bulletproofer?
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Shouldn’t it be 1-shot 1-shot bulletproofer?
It is the thing that schadd called it when he ran the setup and it does the thing that the role pm says it does.
But yes, they can grant 1 shot of 1 shot bulletproof to someone else.
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i can co moderate
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MODORATE
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Aga/in
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i can co moderate
Sure but I'm pretty sure I can handle it if you want to play your setup.
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u don't get high off ur own supply
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/in sicle
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Cool, I like n(/in)e++ setups! :-)
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u don't get high off ur own supply
You float up high and it isn't a sin
And there isn't a hell where we'll be sent
There's only now, and there isn't then. So just breathe it in (https://youtu.be/Er4he7hIJF0?t=146)
We'll be sent to the mod QT to, uh, ponder Will Sheff's complicated relationship with drugs.
schadd is co-mod!
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Oh Hell.
When do I have time for this?
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Nice. Just need a hammer. Setup is rolled and ready to go!
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fiiiiiiiiiiiiii(/in)e
Ppe: haha sniped for final spot. Probably for the best.
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Wife and I are going to the fish store. Role PMs when we get back!
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PMs going out now. N0 begins once everyone confirms and ends ~24 hours after everyone confirms.
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Waiting for one more confirm.
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That same one?
Down the River of Golden Dreams. You can put that together with your river music
That's an oldie
Yeah
(https://youtu.be/_KrfELg83uI)
N0 Begins now and ends tonight at ~9:00PM forum time. Thread locked except for tags.
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Spit into the center of your home town
There's leaves in the street and there are friends around you now
All the days of your life in a line
All the way that it seemed by '89
(https://youtu.be/d0iSoyw_btI?t=10)
Day 1 Starts now!
Vote count 1.0
not voting (13): Robz888, IDontPlayThisGame, McMcsalot, 2.71828..., The_Wine_Merchant, Datswan, SpaceAnemone, Galzria, Roadrunner7671, EFHW, O, Faust, Gkrieg13
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, April 9 at 9pm forum time.
mod notes
Thread unlocked!
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You all better hope I'm the Serial Killer, because I'm a lean, mean mafia shooting machine. Vote: Galz for hammering me last game!
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Also, I'm playing for my next scum game, which means I have to do a good job as town here so it's not suspicious when I try hard in my next scum game. So.
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vote: Robz
I'm practicing for his scum game too.
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Also, I'm playing for my next scum game, which means I have to do a good job as town here so it's not suspicious when I try hard in my next scum game. So.
I'm playing for my next scum game, which means I have to make incredibly scummy maneuvers and claim it was all a misunderstanding.
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Also, I'm playing for my next scum game, which means I have to do a good job as town here so it's not suspicious when I try hard in my next scum game. So.
I'm playing for my next scum game, which means I have to make incredibly scummy maneuvers and claim it was all a misunderstanding.
I think you burned that bridge.
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Also, I'm playing for my next scum game, which means I have to do a good job as town here so it's not suspicious when I try hard in my next scum game. So.
I'm playing for my next scum game, which means I have to make incredibly scummy maneuvers and claim it was all a misunderstanding.
I think you burned that bridge.
nah i just have to lose 2-3 games for my town-teammates before i get my reputation back
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Robz being Mr. Funny Man and joking about being scum is super scummy
Vote: Robz
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Super scummy for Robz at least. I just remember Robz as the one who says all jokes are scummy. But then, I am basing that off like a 3 or 4 year old before-Robz-was-married meta.
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Also, should i read the setup or is knowing that it is a ++ style and we can't solve it good enough?
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Way Too Early Reads List:
1. Robz - scum. This is actually a read.
2. IDontPlayThisGame - town. If he is in fact playing this game
3. McMcsalot - town. Won't be on the same team as his brother
4. e - town.
5. The Wine Merchant - strong town read. He will basically have to claim scum and the rest of you lynch him. I am convinced he is town.
6. Datswan - town. Because I don't know Datswan as well as others
7. Spaceanemone - town. Playing the odds on this one. We only have 3 scum
8. Galzria - SK. Someone has to be. (I guess not technically. Ok, I read the setup)
9. Roadrunner - town. Dude is always town and no one gives him any credit for it.
10. EFHW - scum. EFHW is a tricky one to place. And I place her as scum
11. O - town. O joking about being scum is townie, Robz doing it is scummy. Perfectly clear logic
12. Faust - town. I hope.
13. Gkrieg - scum. Because I got to the bottom of the list and realized I needed another scum
Hmmmm. Robz/EFHW/Gkrieg scum team with Galzria SK. We have our work cut out for us, town. Or we just lynch the scum.
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5. The Wine Merchant - strong town read. He will basically have to claim scum and the rest of you lynch him. I am convinced he is town.
Genius!
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Robz is married? Changes everything.
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Also dama except i am going to bed so all answers will b giv n sober
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Fick aitocorrect
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Amirifht?
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Are you claiming drunk?
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There is a mix of caps and no-caps because I edited the flavor but not the content of schadd's setup.
schadd9++ is a setup that in the style of other setups that say "9++" at the end such as asher9++, faust9++, C9++, etc.
The players consist of 3 mafia, 9-10 town and 0-1 serial killers.
With some exceptions, each game will include Will Sheff, a named tracker.
The distribution of other power roles is determined by a set of 6 random numbers; 5 from 1-10 and 1 from 5-10, with different amounts of each number resulting in different types and amounts of power roles.
1-4: T, Townie
5: W, Wildcard
6: S, Castle
7: L, River
8: G, Valley
9: O, Ship
10: P, Austin
Once the set of 6 letters is produced, I'll add power roles to the setup based on the below list, which maps certain amounts of each letter to certain sets of PRs.
See the end of the post for role PMs for each role.
Austin
This wish just to go back, hey
When I know wasn't ever, ever happy
Show me my best memory, it's probably super crappy.
Nine years down in Texas
With sluts of both sexes
Liars, lumps, and drug addicts, and drunks; I love my friends
But I can't stop without going all the way
And I've been that way since '83.
(https://youtu.be/56T0DeDL0rw?t=66)
P: 1-shot bulletproofer
PP: 1-shot bulletproofer, Drunk
PPP: 1-shot bulletproofer, Drunk, Drunk
PPPP: 1-shot bulletproofer, 1-shot bulletproofer, Drunk
PPPPP: 1-shot bulletproofer, 1-shot bulletproofer, Drunk, Drunk
PPPPPP: 1-shot bulletproofer, 1-shot bulletproofer, 1-shot bulletproofer, Drunk
The Ship
We packed up all of our bags
The ship's deck now sags from the weight of our tracks
As we pace beneath flags black and battered
Rattling our swords in service of some faded foreign lord
We sail out on orders from him but we find
The maps he sent to us don't mention lost coastlines
Where nothing we've actually seen has been mapped or outlined
And we don't recognize the names upon these signs
And every night finds us rocking and rolling on waves wild and wide
Well, we have lost our way, but nobody's going to say it outright
(https://youtu.be/4PjNnCRA6Ts?t=111)
O: Tracker (not named)
OO: Tracker, Drunk
OOO: Tracker, Drunk, Townrole Cop
OOOO: Tracker, Tracker, Townrole Cop
OOOOO: Tracker, Tracker, Townrole Cop, Drunk
OOOOOO: Tracker, Tracker, Townrole Cop, Drunk, Townrole Cop OR Tracker (coinflip chooses between TRC or tracker)
The Valley
Watch the sun switching in the sky, off and on
Where our friend stands bleeding on the late summer lawn
A slicked back bloody black gunshot to the head
He has fallen in the valley of the rock and roll dead (https://youtu.be/vCAAceeWA_Q)
G: Vengeful
GG: Dayvig
GGG: Vengeful, Dayvig
GGGG: Dayvig, Dayvig
GGGGG: Vengeful, Dayvig, Dayvig
GGGGGG: Dayvig, Dayvig, Dayvig
The River
Down by Okkervil River's cigarettes and rusty tires
We made ourselves an altar, we lit our nightly fires
And the smoke lay thick and smothered all the skunk cabbage and vines
Where Gods were born and Gods lay down to die
(https://youtu.be/o57KlOsSMrc?t=57)
L: Universal Backup
LL: UB, Tracker
LLL: UB, Inventor
LLLL: UB, Inventor, Drunk
LLLLL: Inventor, Inventor, Drunk
LLLLLL: Inventor, Inventor, Drunk, UB
The Castle
And I think I believe that if stones could dream
They'd dream of being laid side-by-side, piece-by-piece
And turned into a castle for some towering queen
They're unable to know.
(https://youtu.be/zEWnVLHRMBo?t=267)
0S: a random townie is Hidden Ascetic
S: 1-shot Bulletproof 1-shot ninja Serial Killer
SS: same SK, one letter is added to W
SSS: Will Sheff becomes a 1-shot Bulletproof Jailkeeper instead of a Tracker
SSSS: same Will Sheff modification, Anarchic Cop
SSSSS: same Will Sheff modification, Anarchic Cop, one letter is added to W
SSSSSS: same Will Sheff modification, Anarchic Cop with two shots, one letter is added to W
Wildcard
What gives this mess some grace
Unless it's kicks, man
Unless it's fiction
Unless it's sweat or it's songs.
(https://youtu.be/gN7FyzHM9Xo)
borrowing from faust9++ (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.ph...56702), wildcard is a separate roll that simulates a roll of another random category (not including the castle). for example, a roll of OOWWTT where W is chosen to simulate O would result in two Trackers and two Drunks, whereas OOOOTT would result in 2 Trackers and a Townrole Cop.
Mafia
I thought that it was us against the world
But now it's me against something so big and abstract
That I can't tell what it is (https://youtu.be/joC7htWpM2I)
the mafia receive power roles in inverse to the amount of T rolls, and thus in proportion to the town's power roles.
TTTTT: Goon, Goon, Goon,
TTTT: Goon, 1-shot Roleblocker, 1-shot Rolestopper,
TTT: Tracker OR Townrole Cop, 1-shot Roleblocker, 1-shot Rolestopper,
TT: Tracker OR Townrole Cop, 1-shot Roleblocker, 1-shot Rolestopper, one randomly chosen mafia is hidden Commuter
T: Tracker OR Townrole Cop, Roleblocker and Rolestopper with 5 communal shots, hidden Commuter
0T: Tracker OR Townrole Cop, Roleblocker and Rolestopper with 5 communal shots, hidden Commuter, Daytalk for Day 3 only
Role PMs:
you are a vanilla townie. you have no powers other than a vote
you win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
you are Will Sheff, the town's named tracker. each night, you may target someone to learn who, if anyone, they visit.
you win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
you are Will Sheff, the town's 1-shot bulletproof jailkeeper. each night, you may target someone to simultaneously prevent their night actions from working and protect them from one killing action. you will also automatically survive one killing action during the game.
you win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
you are a town drunk. each night, you may target someone to be targeted by all actions targeting that person. if your target was visited by any other player, you will receive a note saying "i had a great time last night ;)"
you win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
you are a town 1-shot bulletproofer. once, at night, you can target someone to protect them from the next successful kill they are targeted by, if any.
you win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
you are a town tracker. each night, you may target someone to learn who, if anyone, they visit.
you win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
you are a town townrole cop. each night, you may target someone to learn whether they are a town power role and, if so, what kind.
you win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
you are a vengeful townie. if you are ever lynched, you will have a 24-hour twilight to choose someone to kill.
you win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
you are a town dayvig. once, during the day, you may post shoot: (player name) in the game thread to kill them; unless the kill is blocked, they will flip, everyone automatically unvotes and 48 hours are added to the Day's deadline. you may not do this after a lynch is achieved.
you win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
you are a town universal backup. the first time a town non-VT non-vengeful role dies, you will inherit their (remaining) abilities and become informed whom, if anybody, they targeted and what results they received. if multiple such roles die in one night, you will inherit whichever has its role PM listed first in the role PMs post.
you win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
you are a town inventor. you have three inventions: a doctor, a tracker, and a townrole cop. each night, you may choose one of your inventions to send to a target if you have any remaining. if the action succeeds, they will be able to use that ability for one night in addition to any other abilities they may have.
they will be informed that they received the invention the morning after you send it, but not the identity of the sender.
you win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
you are a mafia goon. each night, you may talk to your partners in [qt] and one of you may use the factional kill.
you win when all non-mafia roles are dead or when nothing can stop that from happening.
you are a mafia 1-shot roleblocker. each night, you may talk to your partners in [qt] and one of you may use the factional kill. additionally, once, at night, you may target a player to prevent any of their roles from working.
you win when all non-mafia roles are dead or when nothing can stop that from happening.
you are a mafia 1-shot rolestopper. each night, you may talk to your partners in [qt] and one of you may use the factional kill. additionally, once, at night, you may target a player to prevent actions targeting that player from succeeding.
you win when all non-mafia roles are dead or when nothing can stop that from happening.
you are a mafia tracker. each night, you may talk to your partners in [qt] and one of you may use the factional kill. additionally, each night, you may target a player to learn who, if anybody, they visit.
you win when all non-mafia roles are dead or when nothing can stop that from happening.
you are a mafia townrole cop. each night, you may talk to your partners in [qt] and one of you may use the factional kill. additionally, each night, you may target a player to learn whether they are a town power role, and, if so, what kind.
you win when all non-mafia roles are dead or when nothing can stop that from happening.
you are a mafia communal rolestopper. each night, you may talk to your partners in [qt] and one of you may use the factional kill. additionally, at night, you may target a player to prevent actions targeting that player from succeeding. between you and your roleblocker partner, you may use 5 actions.
you win when all non-mafia roles are dead or when nothing can stop that from happening.
you are a mafia communal roleblocker. each night, you may talk to your partners in [qt] and one of you may use the factional kill. additionally, at night, you may target a player to prevent any of their roles from working. between you and your rolestopper partner, you may use 5 actions.
you win when all non-mafia roles are dead or when nothing can stop that from happening.
you are a 1-shot bulletproof, 1-shot serial killer. each night, you may kill one player; once per game, you may choose to render this kill unnoticeable to trackers. you will also automatically survive one killing action during the game.
you win when all other players are dead or when only one townsperson, one mafia, and yourself are alive.
clarifications:
general:
-an action that fails in any way will still use a shot wherever that's relevant
drunks:
-drunks are incapable of being roleblocked, due to all the friendly people helping you out in the Austin scene. if a drunk or a drunk's target is blocked, nothing happens; if a drunk or a drunk's target is jailed, the drunk is protected from one kill. rolestoppers still work, because they're different
-drunks can cause duplicate inventions to be given.
-all investigative results are given as "{player} was {result}," thus an investigative with a drunk targeting their target would get multiple results and be able to determine who was the drunk.
Austin:
-targets of the 1-shot bulletproofer are not notified that they were targeted by that thing
-if someone is targeted by multiple instances of bulletproofing, they will be able to survive that many kills. Will Sheff with the Castle's modification will also stack in that way.
Valley:
-both vengeful and dayvig are affected by commuting and bulletproof
River:
-universal backup's inheriting ability is not affected by roleblockers
-universal backups ignore inventions that have been given to people, but not power roles that do not have any shots left
-in the event of multiple universal backups, both of them can inherit the same thing and ignore each other
-the usage of an invention does not impede the use of any other action
-receivers of inventions also receive essentially role PMs for what their inventions do
Castle
-hidden ascetic doesn't flip
-anarchic cop is an ability usable by any player during the day that is activated by saying "howdy ho mary belle" in the game thread and results in the moderator publicly announcing the alignment of the person who posted it. if a non-town uses this ability, the shot isn't used up. in the SSSSSS scenario, there are two shots to the anarchic cop, which becomes clear after the first one is used.
Mafia
-any form of roleblocker or rolestopper will flip as "roleblocker" or "rolestopper"; communal roleblockers/stoppers look the same as 1-shot ones
-hidden commuter doesn't flip
-scum don't know they have day 3 talk until day 3, when i will say "hey guys the thread is still unlocked....... wanna keep saying stuff..............?"
-scum can action and kill on the same night
This post is sooooooooooopoo long!
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Short posts are better.
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Are you claiming drunk?
I try to be funny and my post gets overlooked by the intended audience. How disappointing.
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Robz is married? Changes everything.
I met Mrs Robz in the sixth grade and she is my soul mate, except she hates most games and threatens divorce every time I try to talk to her about mafia, Dominion, etc.
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I feel like I’ve been gone forever. Still super busy but I missed you guys!
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Vote: Galz for hammering me last game!
That was strictly protown.
Are you against protown things?
vote: Robz
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This setup really throws me for a loop. There's so much there lol.
Anybody with a good memory know what games have run this setup in the past so I can read back to get a feel?
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Roles I need help understanding:
Drunk (the wording is super confusing)
Anarchic Cop (haven't seen the modifier before)
Hidden Ascetic - how does the Hidden mechanic work?
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Way Too Early Reads List:
1. Robz - scum. This is actually a read.
2. IDontPlayThisGame - town. If he is in fact playing this game
3. McMcsalot - town. Won't be on the same team as his brother
4. e - town.
5. The Wine Merchant - strong town read. He will basically have to claim scum and the rest of you lynch him. I am convinced he is town.
6. Datswan - town. Because I don't know Datswan as well as others
7. Spaceanemone - town. Playing the odds on this one. We only have 3 scum
8. Galzria - SK. Someone has to be. (I guess not technically. Ok, I read the setup)
9. Roadrunner - town. Dude is always town and no one gives him any credit for it.
10. EFHW - scum. EFHW is a tricky one to place. And I place her as scum
11. O - town. O joking about being scum is townie, Robz doing it is scummy. Perfectly clear logic
12. Faust - town. I hope.
13. Gkrieg - scum. Because I got to the bottom of the list and realized I needed another scum
Hmmmm. Robz/EFHW/Gkrieg scum team with Galzria SK. We have our work cut out for us, town. Or we just lynch the scum.
Damn. Was I really that obvious?
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Also, I'm playing for my next scum game, which means I have to do a good job as town here so it's not suspicious when I try hard in my next scum game. So.
Stop being so meta-aware. It's scummy of you.
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2.718 is townie.
TWM is possibly actually DAMA or is trying too hard. This sequence felt forced:
Also dama except i am going to bed so all answers will b giv n sober
Fick aitocorrect
Fick aitocorrect
Actually, vote: TWM. Better than a rvs!omgus!joke vote on Robz
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This setup really throws me for a loop. There's so much there lol.
Anybody with a good memory know what games have run this setup in the past so I can read back to get a feel?
The setup has been run once in M107.
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Roles I need help understanding:
Drunk (the wording is super confusing)
Anarchic Cop (haven't seen the modifier before)
Hidden Ascetic - how does the Hidden mechanic work?
Drunk redirects all actions from their target onto themselves. They also have a Motion-Detector like ability letting them know if their target was targeted at all. It should play mostly like Bodyguard.
There is no Anarchic Cop here (see D1 start), so no need to worry about that.
Hidden just means that the player who is Ascetic isn't aware of this.
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Also, I'm playing for my next scum game, which means I have to do a good job as town here so it's not suspicious when I try hard in my next scum game. So.
Stop being so meta-aware. It's scummy of you.
Actually, vote: TWM. Better than a rvs!omgus!joke vote on Robz
I am confused. Do you or don't you think Robz is scummy?
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O so far has an impeccable 100% rate of scummy posts.
Vote: O
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Vote: O
agreed tbh
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Also, I'm playing for my next scum game, which means I have to do a good job as town here so it's not suspicious when I try hard in my next scum game. So.
Stop being so meta-aware. It's scummy of you.
Actually, vote: TWM. Better than a rvs!omgus!joke vote on Robz
I am confused. Do you or don't you think Robz is scummy?
Sorry if that wasn't clear - no, not super scummy. The post was made more in jest.
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FYI I'm abroad from Wednesday -> 10 days later. I'm pretty confident in my internet access, but might miss a day or two.
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Galz asking for clarification on rules within the thread seems off to me.
Self voting O feels weird as well.
vote: O
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But it's not all right. It's not even close to all right. (https://youtu.be/d0iSoyw_btI?t=35)
Vote count 1.1
Galzria (1): Robz888
Robz888 (2): IDontPlayThisGame, 2.71828...,
The_Wine_Merchant (1): Galzria
O (3): Faust, O, DatSwan
not voting (6): McMcsalot, The_Wine_Merchant, SpaceAnemone, Roadrunner7671, EFHW, gkrieg13
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, April 9 at 9pm forum time.
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Also, I'm playing for my next scum game, which means I have to do a good job as town here so it's not suspicious when I try hard in my next scum game. So.
I'm playing for my next scum game, which means I have to make incredibly scummy maneuvers and claim it was all a misunderstanding.
I think you burned that bridge.
Never again...
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Way Too Early Reads List:
10. EFHW - scum. EFHW is a tricky one to place. And I place her as scum
[evil chuckle]
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Galz asking for clarification on rules within the thread seems off to me.
Self voting O feels weird as well.
vote: O
Agree re: Galzria. vote: Galzria
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Why couldn't this game have started yesterday when I actually had a bit of free time?
Robz doesn't seem scummy yet. That never happens. I think O complaining about being likely to be away but able to get to the internet is townie -- contrast with the things faust posted as scum in M113 when he was about to visit me in my own internet-enabled house! Not sure what a self-vote means this early. There weren't mimes last time I looked at the setup.
Vote: e for saying the setup us unsolvable when there's so much fun to be had working it all out. I wrote a script last time when schadd ran this setup, so I think I'll just be able to reuse that here, but I'll need some time to check that out and update based on current-game info.
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Robz being Mr. Funny Man and joking about being scum is super scummy
Vote: Robz
Super scummy for Robz at least. I just remember Robz as the one who says all jokes are scummy. But then, I am basing that off like a 3 or 4 year old before-Robz-was-married meta.
He is definitely more jokey than he was then but I agree that this is slightly scummy. Mainly because his post was about his meta right out the gate. Last game(114) as SK his first post was about how he was going to be super super townie that game, as town in 113 he started out the gate with interacting with others, town in 112 right out the gate with analysis, 111 scum jokes about massclaim now or later, 107 hes scum and talks about how he hasn't been in two games at once in awhile and that we double check claims to make sure its possible and not let scum make impossible fake claims. So it appears robz makes jokes, talks about himself, and the setup much more often as scum. Good enough for a vote: robz for now.
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2.718 is townie.
TWM is possibly actually DAMA or is trying too hard. This sequence felt forced:
Also dama except i am going to bed so all answers will b giv n sober
Fick aitocorrect
Fick aitocorrect
Actually, vote: TWM. Better than a rvs!omgus!joke vote on Robz
I agree with you about 2.7 disagree about TWM, none of that looked forced. This is I think a total null alignment sequence and I'm leaning town on twm.
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Galz asking for clarification on rules within the thread seems off to me.
Self voting O feels weird as well.
vote: O
What specifically feels off about galz asking for rules clarification?
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Galz asking for clarification on rules within the thread seems off to me.
Self voting O feels weird as well.
vote: O
Agree re: Galzria. vote: Galzria
Same question to you, can you specify exactly what it is that feels off about galz asking for clarification in thread?
would actually like EFHW to answer before datswan.
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Robz doesn't seem scummy yet. That never happens. I think O complaining about being likely to be away but able to get to the internet is townie -- contrast with the things faust posted as scum in M113 when he was about to visit me in my own internet-enabled house!
It seems a very strange idea to judge people's alignment by how much time they are willing to spend on mafia during their holidays. Or during away time, I am not sure what exactly O is away for, not that it matters. What I posted in M113 had nothing to do with my alignment whatsoever, and I see no reason why what O posted would.
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Also I think that Robz has actually been fairly townie, and that's only like 25% me not liking wagons that I didn't start myself!
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Robz doesn't seem scummy yet. That never happens. I think O complaining about being likely to be away but able to get to the internet is townie -- contrast with the things faust posted as scum in M113 when he was about to visit me in my own internet-enabled house!
It seems a very strange idea to judge people's alignment by how much time they are willing to spend on mafia during their holidays. Or during away time, I am not sure what exactly O is away for, not that it matters. What I posted in M113 had nothing to do with my alignment whatsoever, and I see no reason why what O posted would.
I agree and am curious what you think that indicates of Space's alignment?
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Robz doesn't seem scummy yet. That never happens. I think O complaining about being likely to be away but able to get to the internet is townie -- contrast with the things faust posted as scum in M113 when he was about to visit me in my own internet-enabled house!
It seems a very strange idea to judge people's alignment by how much time they are willing to spend on mafia during their holidays. Or during away time, I am not sure what exactly O is away for, not that it matters. What I posted in M113 had nothing to do with my alignment whatsoever, and I see no reason why what O posted would.
I agree and am curious what you think that indicates of Space's alignment?
More town than scum. I remember Space being like super convinced I would be scum in M113, which gives confirmation bias to see everything I did there as scummy which given the same mindset makes it likely for them to see people as townie that do not behave as I did then.
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He is definitely more jokey than he was then but I agree that this is slightly scummy. Mainly because his post was about his meta right out the gate. Last game(114) as SK his first post was about how he was going to be super super townie that game, as town in 113 he started out the gate with interacting with others, town in 112 right out the gate with analysis, 111 scum jokes about massclaim now or later, 107 hes scum and talks about how he hasn't been in two games at once in awhile and that we double check claims to make sure its possible and not let scum make impossible fake claims. So it appears robz makes jokes, talks about himself, and the setup much more often as scum. Good enough for a vote: robz for now.
I am not super convinced by this. It seems to me that Robz being more jokey and less scumhunty is just a result of his posts being the first in the game. Which, you may argue that scum!Robz is more acutely aware of when the day starts and that might well be, but it makes this evidence even more circumstantial.
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Robz doesn't seem scummy yet. That never happens. I think O complaining about being likely to be away but able to get to the internet is townie -- contrast with the things faust posted as scum in M113 when he was about to visit me in my own internet-enabled house!
It seems a very strange idea to judge people's alignment by how much time they are willing to spend on mafia during their holidays. Or during away time, I am not sure what exactly O is away for, not that it matters. What I posted in M113 had nothing to do with my alignment whatsoever, and I see no reason why what O posted would.
I agree and am curious what you think that indicates of Space's alignment?
More town than scum. I remember Space being like super convinced I would be scum in M113, which gives confirmation bias to see everything I did there as scummy which given the same mindset makes it likely for them to see people as townie that do not behave as I did then.
I agree it seems towny. My thought was that I agreed with you that I don't think either case was alignment indicative and I couldn't see a reason that scum!Space would state a somewhat stretch of a reason to townread O at this stage of the game.
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Space is town. Galz is scum
vote: galz
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@MCMC what exactly does a town Robz look like in your mind
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Space is town. Galz is scum
vote: galz
No real content d1 but strong statements is gkrieg scum MO but frankly I don’t remember games with him as town to compare
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When so many of you post the same reads at the start of every game it’s both a stale environment and anti town imo. Pretty low effort
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Galz asking for clarification on rules within the thread seems off to me.
Self voting O feels weird as well.
vote: O
Agree re: Galzria. vote: Galzria
Same question to you, can you specify exactly what it is that feels off about galz asking for clarification in thread?
would actually like EFHW to answer before datswan.
It's not really particular to Galz, but in general it seems rare to me that people ask for setup clarification in that way. Scum narrative would be that he needs things to say but also needs to look like he hasn't had reason to pay attn to the set-up. This accomplishes both.
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“I have a vague disinclination towards this highly generic behavior” truly is how scum are best hunted
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When so many of you post the same reads at the start of every game it’s both a stale environment and anti town imo. Pretty low effort
Do you mean you dislike many different people expressing the same read in a game or the same person expressing the same read on a person over multiple games?
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When so many of you post the same reads at the start of every game it’s both a stale environment and anti town imo. Pretty low effort
Do you mean you dislike many different people expressing the same read in a game or the same person expressing the same read on a person over multiple games?
The second one. I do It myself when I’m scum even because it’s a lot easier to directly copy reads than generate new fake ones
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2.718 is townie.
TWM is possibly actually DAMA or is trying too hard. This sequence felt forced:
Also dama except i am going to bed so all answers will b giv n sober
Fick aitocorrect
Fick aitocorrect
Actually, vote: TWM. Better than a rvs!omgus!joke vote on Robz
I agree with you about 2.7 disagree about TWM, none of that looked forced. This is I think a total null alignment sequence and I'm leaning town on twm.
I guess what feels forced is that autocorrect, by definition, should take improperly spelled words and create actual words from them- perhaps not the ones you intended, but still real words.
It's not a prefect system, no - but TWM blaming it while continuing to misspell and the system not catching anything feels like they were intentionally spelled wrong - hence, forced.
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This is a damn confusing setup and I don’t think it’s particularly scummy for Galz to openly ask questions about it.
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Hey mcmc this game has been going for half a day already: more than enough time for you to tell us if gkrieg is scum.
Is he?
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Space is town. Galz is scum
vote: galz
No real content d1 but strong statements is gkrieg scum MO but frankly I don’t remember games with him as town to compare
I would say that I make strong statements with little D1 content as both alignments, but that I do it much more as town.
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Hey mcmc this game has been going for half a day already: more than enough time for you to tell us if gkrieg is scum.
Is he?
I'm pretty sure mcmc always thinks I'm scum...
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This is a damn confusing setup and I don’t think it’s particularly scummy for Galz to openly ask questions about it.
The setup isn't that confusing, because the role PMs are right there. You just have to realize that you can't have that much knowledge of the setup before some flips happen, which is par for the course with 9++ setups.
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Hey mcmc this game has been going for half a day already: more than enough time for you to tell us if gkrieg is scum.
Is he?
Also after the Space Alert game, I decided that I was going to take a long break, but couldn't stay away. I would've been much less keen to play this game as scum, and would be lurking a lot harder.
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This is a damn confusing setup and I don’t think it’s particularly scummy for Galz to openly ask questions about it.
The setup isn't that confusing, because the role PMs are right there. You just have to realize that you can't have that much knowledge of the setup before some flips happen, which is par for the course with 9++ setups.
TBF:
A) I also asked those questions in my QT and hadn't yet received a response
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B) If memory serves it's been 6 years since I've played a 9++ setup. I'm not exactly intimately familiar with how it rolls. Add in a few changes for this, and yeah, it's a little confusing. As I'm apparently not the only one that feels this way, I feel justified in asking for clarifications.
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Hey mcmc this game has been going for half a day already: more than enough time for you to tell us if gkrieg is scum.
Is he?
Also after the Space Alert game, I decided that I was going to take a long break, but couldn't stay away. I would've been much less keen to play this game as scum, and would be lurking a lot harder.
I agree that you be less keen to play this game as scum. I disagree that enough of the game has gone by to make an evaluation as to whether you are active or lurking. That little flurry of posts just now doesn’t really settle the matter.
So vote: gkrieg
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This is a damn confusing setup and I don’t think it’s particularly scummy for Galz to openly ask questions about it.
The setup isn't that confusing, because the role PMs are right there. You just have to realize that you can't have that much knowledge of the setup before some flips happen, which is par for the course with 9++ setups.
TBF:
A) I also asked those questions in my QT and hadn't yet received a response
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B) If memory serves it's been 6 years since I've played a 9++ setup. I'm not exactly intimately familiar with how it rolls. Add in a few changes for this, and yeah, it's a little confusing. As I'm apparently not the only one that feels this way, I feel justified in asking for clarifications.
And the setup info is written in Schadd speak, a language I do not speak fluently.
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Hey mcmc this game has been going for half a day already: more than enough time for you to tell us if gkrieg is scum.
Is he?
Also after the Space Alert game, I decided that I was going to take a long break, but couldn't stay away. I would've been much less keen to play this game as scum, and would be lurking a lot harder.
I agree that you be less keen to play this game as scum. I disagree that enough of the game has gone by to make an evaluation as to whether you are active or lurking. That little flurry of posts just now doesn’t really settle the matter.
So vote: gkrieg
But it also doesn't un-settle the matter. So what is the vote for?
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2.718 is townie.
TWM is possibly actually DAMA or is trying too hard. This sequence felt forced:
Also dama except i am going to bed so all answers will b giv n sober
Fick aitocorrect
Fick aitocorrect
Actually, vote: TWM. Better than a rvs!omgus!joke vote on Robz
I don't see any reason to think that sequence was anything except actual DAMA. I know I have experience posting multiple autocorrect failures in a row in similar situations
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When so many of you post the same reads at the start of every game it’s both a stale environment and anti town imo. Pretty low effort
My reads were first. Everyone else is copying me
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2.718 is townie.
TWM is possibly actually DAMA or is trying too hard. This sequence felt forced:
Also dama except i am going to bed so all answers will b giv n sober
Fick aitocorrect
Fick aitocorrect
Actually, vote: TWM. Better than a rvs!omgus!joke vote on Robz
I don't see any reason to think that sequence was anything except actual DAMA. I know I have experience posting multiple autocorrect failures in a row in similar situations
I guess? Ii's not like I have an iron clad case going here. It was just a gut feel and was more of a feel than anything that had come before.
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2.718 is townie.
TWM is possibly actually DAMA or is trying too hard. This sequence felt forced:
Also dama except i am going to bed so all answers will b giv n sober
Fick aitocorrect
Fick aitocorrect
Actually, vote: TWM. Better than a rvs!omgus!joke vote on Robz
I don't see any reason to think that sequence was anything except actual DAMA. I know I have experience posting multiple autocorrect failures in a row in similar situations
I guess? Ii's not like I have an iron clad case going here. It was just a gut feel and was more of a feel than anything that had come before.
I guess I got the feeling of TWM being actually DAMA from being online while he was posting and trying to interact with him.
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Down a hall in your house, down a road in December
(Down, down, down the deep river, down, down, down the deep river)
Down a hall in your house, down a road in December
(Down, down, down the deep river, down, down, down the deep river) (https://youtu.be/d0iSoyw_btI?t=43)
Vote count 1.2
Galzria (2): EFHW, gkrieg13
Robz888 (3): IDontPlayThisGame, 2.71828..., McMcsalot
The_Wine_Merchant (1): Galzria
O (3): Faust, O, DatSwan
2.71828... (1): SpaceAnemone
gkrieg13 (1): Robz888
not voting (2): The_Wine_Merchant, Roadrunner7671
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, April 9 at 9pm forum time.
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is faking a drunk AMA even scummy though
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is faking a drunk AMA even scummy though
From certain people who have built an established town meta around it, yes.
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Galz asking for clarification on rules within the thread seems off to me.
Self voting O feels weird as well.
vote: O
What specifically feels off about galz asking for rules clarification?
I have never seen him do it before and he has been Town in every game I have ever played with him.
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@MCMC what exactly does a town Robz look like in your mind
I have a clear picture in my head that I could explain, don't really want to at the moment.
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2.718 is townie.
TWM is possibly actually DAMA or is trying too hard. This sequence felt forced:
Also dama except i am going to bed so all answers will b giv n sober
Fick aitocorrect
Fick aitocorrect
Actually, vote: TWM. Better than a rvs!omgus!joke vote on Robz
I agree with you about 2.7 disagree about TWM, none of that looked forced. This is I think a total null alignment sequence and I'm leaning town on twm.
I guess what feels forced is that autocorrect, by definition, should take improperly spelled words and create actual words from them- perhaps not the ones you intended, but still real words.
It's not a prefect system, no - but TWM blaming it while continuing to misspell and the system not catching anything feels like they were intentionally spelled wrong - hence, forced.
My guess is "will b giv n sober" was meant to be will be given sober and autocorrect didn't fix it for him causing frustration. Next two posts are legitimate intention and possibly fakely misspelled for comedic effect. Highly doubt the entire thing is faked. Also that is a pretty weak conspiracy theory for a vote. Also autocorrect is technically not a word so he would have to frequently type is as one word for autocorrect to work and it doesn't correct to swear words.
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Galz asking for clarification on rules within the thread seems off to me.
Self voting O feels weird as well.
vote: O
What specifically feels off about galz asking for rules clarification?
I have never seen him do it before and he has been Town in every game I have ever played with him.
This is a vastly superior answer to efhw's. Its still a super low level read and you simply said it seemed off. Agreed and voted. Town for you scum for efhw, looks like she wanted to piggyback off your statement hoping you would elaborate to a full read she could sheep.
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Hey mcmc this game has been going for half a day already: more than enough time for you to tell us if gkrieg is scum.
Is he?
He had 2 posts at the time so dunno. Since then not much. Lots of self reflective post which I don't like but aren't necessarily scummy.
More interestingly:
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13. Gkrieg - scum. Because I got to the bottom of the list and realized I needed another scum
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No real content d1 but strong statements is gkrieg scum MO but frankly I don’t remember games with him as town to compare
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I agree that you be less keen to play this game as scum. I disagree that enough of the game has gone by to make an evaluation as to whether you are active or lurking. That little flurry of posts just now doesn’t really settle the matter.
So vote: gkrieg
Three people have all called gkrieg scum 2.7 for literally no reason, O for a vague hedgy reason, and you for a actually no reason and even a vote. This makes me lean town on gkrieg and would not be surprised by one of the three above being scum.
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2.718 is townie.
TWM is possibly actually DAMA or is trying too hard. This sequence felt forced:
Also dama except i am going to bed so all answers will b giv n sober
Fick aitocorrect
Fick aitocorrect
Actually, vote: TWM. Better than a rvs!omgus!joke vote on Robz
I agree with you about 2.7 disagree about TWM, none of that looked forced. This is I think a total null alignment sequence and I'm leaning town on twm.
I guess what feels forced is that autocorrect, by definition, should take improperly spelled words and create actual words from them- perhaps not the ones you intended, but still real words.
It's not a prefect system, no - but TWM blaming it while continuing to misspell and the system not catching anything feels like they were intentionally spelled wrong - hence, forced.
My guess is "will b giv n sober" was meant to be will be given sober and autocorrect didn't fix it for him causing frustration. Next two posts are legitimate intention and possibly fakely misspelled for comedic effect. Highly doubt the entire thing is faked. Also that is a pretty weak conspiracy theory for a vote. Also autocorrect is technically not a word so he would have to frequently type is as one word for autocorrect to work and it doesn't correct to swear words.
Bolding the only point of value for debate in the above (that is, the rest of it could still be debated, but I don't see much point here and now).
I actually disagree. Well, that's not quite accurate. I agree it's weak. I disagree that it doesn't warrant a vote. TWM is aware of his meta. He very easily and quickly gets town read most games by posting DAMA content. "Oh, that's TWM being town!TWM" is a common thing. It would very much be in his favor to replicate that as scum, and given how I read it, that's what it felt like.
Of course, the fact that he DOES often do it as town is exactly what makes it a weak alignment-indicative tell. Because he could just "be doing it as town here" too. It felt off, I noted it, and I voted. For less than 25 posts into D1, I'm not at all unhappy with that.
What I don't understand/feel is why you/2.7 are so quick to jump to defend TWM here. Simply saying "I disagree, it felt natural and townie" is one thing - but you're going out of your way to discredit my vote, which I feel is completely legitimate.
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Hey mcmc this game has been going for half a day already: more than enough time for you to tell us if gkrieg is scum.
Is he?
He had 2 posts at the time so dunno. Since then not much. Lots of self reflective post which I don't like but aren't necessarily scummy.
More interestingly:
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13. Gkrieg - scum. Because I got to the bottom of the list and realized I needed another scum
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No real content d1 but strong statements is gkrieg scum MO but frankly I don’t remember games with him as town to compare
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I agree that you be less keen to play this game as scum. I disagree that enough of the game has gone by to make an evaluation as to whether you are active or lurking. That little flurry of posts just now doesn’t really settle the matter.
So vote: gkrieg
Three people have all called gkrieg scum 2.7 for literally no reason, O for a vague hedgy reason, and you for a actually no reason and even a vote. This makes me lean town on gkrieg and would not be surprised by one of the three above being scum.
One of the three: Robz
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Hey mcmc this game has been going for half a day already: more than enough time for you to tell us if gkrieg is scum.
Is he?
He had 2 posts at the time so dunno. Since then not much. Lots of self reflective post which I don't like but aren't necessarily scummy.
More interestingly:
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13. Gkrieg - scum. Because I got to the bottom of the list and realized I needed another scum
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No real content d1 but strong statements is gkrieg scum MO but frankly I don’t remember games with him as town to compare
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I agree that you be less keen to play this game as scum. I disagree that enough of the game has gone by to make an evaluation as to whether you are active or lurking. That little flurry of posts just now doesn’t really settle the matter.
So vote: gkrieg
Three people have all called gkrieg scum 2.7 for literally no reason, O for a vague hedgy reason, and you for a actually no reason and even a vote. This makes me lean town on gkrieg and would not be surprised by one of the three above being scum.
I would say that O or Robz are the more likely ones to be scum. 2.7's didn't really seem all that scummy, and I can see myself doing what he did as town.
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I actually disagree. Well, that's not quite accurate. I agree it's weak. I disagree that it doesn't warrant a vote. TWM is aware of his meta. He very easily and quickly gets town read most games by posting DAMA content. "Oh, that's TWM being town!TWM" is a common thing. It would very much be in his favor to replicate that as scum, and given how I read it, that's what it felt like.
I have this sentiment except it's for MCMC and his auto-Robz-scumread
If I wasn't so damn scummy myself I'd have to vote for him.
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Hey mcmc this game has been going for half a day already: more than enough time for you to tell us if gkrieg is scum.
Is he?
He had 2 posts at the time so dunno. Since then not much. Lots of self reflective post which I don't like but aren't necessarily scummy.
More interestingly:
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13. Gkrieg - scum. Because I got to the bottom of the list and realized I needed another scum
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No real content d1 but strong statements is gkrieg scum MO but frankly I don’t remember games with him as town to compare
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I agree that you be less keen to play this game as scum. I disagree that enough of the game has gone by to make an evaluation as to whether you are active or lurking. That little flurry of posts just now doesn’t really settle the matter.
So vote: gkrieg
Three people have all called gkrieg scum 2.7 for literally no reason, O for a vague hedgy reason, and you for a actually no reason and even a vote. This makes me lean town on gkrieg and would not be surprised by one of the three above being scum.
I would say that O or Robz are the more likely ones to be scum. 2.7's didn't really seem all that scummy, and I can see myself doing what he did as town.
Do you disagree with me? How do you think you played D1 in our two games as Robz/Gkrieg/O scumtrio?
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Hey mcmc this game has been going for half a day already: more than enough time for you to tell us if gkrieg is scum.
Is he?
He had 2 posts at the time so dunno. Since then not much. Lots of self reflective post which I don't like but aren't necessarily scummy.
More interestingly:
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13. Gkrieg - scum. Because I got to the bottom of the list and realized I needed another scum
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No real content d1 but strong statements is gkrieg scum MO but frankly I don’t remember games with him as town to compare
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I agree that you be less keen to play this game as scum. I disagree that enough of the game has gone by to make an evaluation as to whether you are active or lurking. That little flurry of posts just now doesn’t really settle the matter.
So vote: gkrieg
Three people have all called gkrieg scum 2.7 for literally no reason, O for a vague hedgy reason, and you for a actually no reason and even a vote. This makes me lean town on gkrieg and would not be surprised by one of the three above being scum.
I would say that O or Robz are the more likely ones to be scum. 2.7's didn't really seem all that scummy, and I can see myself doing what he did as town.
Do you disagree with me? How do you think you played D1 in our two games as Robz/Gkrieg/O scumtrio?
I disagree that it is scummy. It is something I do as town, and I try to play my scum games (especially D1) like my town games, so I don't disagree that I do it as scum, I just also do it as town.
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Hey mcmc this game has been going for half a day already: more than enough time for you to tell us if gkrieg is scum.
Is he?
He had 2 posts at the time so dunno. Since then not much. Lots of self reflective post which I don't like but aren't necessarily scummy.
More interestingly:
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13. Gkrieg - scum. Because I got to the bottom of the list and realized I needed another scum
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No real content d1 but strong statements is gkrieg scum MO but frankly I don’t remember games with him as town to compare
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I agree that you be less keen to play this game as scum. I disagree that enough of the game has gone by to make an evaluation as to whether you are active or lurking. That little flurry of posts just now doesn’t really settle the matter.
So vote: gkrieg
Three people have all called gkrieg scum 2.7 for literally no reason, O for a vague hedgy reason, and you for a actually no reason and even a vote. This makes me lean town on gkrieg and would not be surprised by one of the three above being scum.
I would say that O or Robz are the more likely ones to be scum. 2.7's didn't really seem all that scummy, and I can see myself doing what he did as town.
Do you disagree with me? How do you think you played D1 in our two games as Robz/Gkrieg/O scumtrio?
I disagree that it is scummy. It is something I do as town, and I try to play my scum games (especially D1) like my town games, so I don't disagree that I do it as scum, I just also do it as town.
So you don't disagree then, because I said as much in my post that I didn't know if it was your town MO as well.
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Robz doesn't seem scummy yet. That never happens. I think O complaining about being likely to be away but able to get to the internet is townie -- contrast with the things faust posted as scum in M113 when he was about to visit me in my own internet-enabled house!
It seems a very strange idea to judge people's alignment by how much time they are willing to spend on mafia during their holidays. Or during away time, I am not sure what exactly O is away for, not that it matters. What I posted in M113 had nothing to do with my alignment whatsoever, and I see no reason why what O posted would.
Maybe it's not a conscious thing, even. I feel like scum would be less likely to be chilled about maybe not being able to get internet, and more likely to hold it in reserve as a just-in-case excuse/reason for lurking, as you seemed to do in M113. As for alignments this game, I'm always more suspicious of you when your logic doesn't quite gel with mine.
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Are you claiming drunk?
I try to be funny and my post gets overlooked by the intended audience. How disappointing.
Sorry! You are a funny guy.
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If you are a guy, that is. I think you are, but have been known to be wrong about such things.
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Hey mcmc this game has been going for half a day already: more than enough time for you to tell us if gkrieg is scum.
Is he?
He had 2 posts at the time so dunno. Since then not much. Lots of self reflective post which I don't like but aren't necessarily scummy.
More interestingly:
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13. Gkrieg - scum. Because I got to the bottom of the list and realized I needed another scum
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No real content d1 but strong statements is gkrieg scum MO but frankly I don’t remember games with him as town to compare
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I agree that you be less keen to play this game as scum. I disagree that enough of the game has gone by to make an evaluation as to whether you are active or lurking. That little flurry of posts just now doesn’t really settle the matter.
So vote: gkrieg
Three people have all called gkrieg scum 2.7 for literally no reason, O for a vague hedgy reason, and you for a actually no reason and even a vote. This makes me lean town on gkrieg and would not be surprised by one of the three above being scum.
I would say that O or Robz are the more likely ones to be scum. 2.7's didn't really seem all that scummy, and I can see myself doing what he did as town.
Do you disagree with me? How do you think you played D1 in our two games as Robz/Gkrieg/O scumtrio?
I disagree that it is scummy. It is something I do as town, and I try to play my scum games (especially D1) like my town games, so I don't disagree that I do it as scum, I just also do it as town.
So you don't disagree then, because I said as much in my post that I didn't know if it was your town MO as well.
I don't disagree that I do it as scum, but the way you worded your statement made it sound like I was scummy for it, which is not true.
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2.718 is townie.
TWM is possibly actually DAMA or is trying too hard. This sequence felt forced:
Why can't it be both? The last two were intentional misspellings because at the time I thought it was funny. My sense of humor gets seriously warped after a couple of drinks.
But I hardly think that is alignment indicative and if anything it is your vote that feels forced.
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Wow. mcmc gets me.
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2.718 is townie.
TWM is possibly actually DAMA or is trying too hard. This sequence felt forced:
Why can't it be both? The last two were intentional misspellings because at the time I thought it was funny. My sense of humor gets seriously warped after a couple of drinks.
But I hardly think that is alignment indicative and if anything it is your vote that feels forced.
vote: mcmc
From you, that's fine. That's essentially saying "Yes, the sequence was intentional" - which is all I picked up on (and read "forced"). And you're right - you would do that as either alignment (as I noted). What I wanted and was waiting for, was for you to speak to it yourself - not have others jump to your defense for you.
Mcmc's defense of you by trying to delegitimize my vote feels like an attempt to discredit me - something he would be acutely aware to do if scum after reading (and commenting on) my VT QT in 114.
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Funny.
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And not related but I got distracted before I could vote: EFHW
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And not related but I got distracted before I could vote: EFHW
Why
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And not related but I got distracted before I could vote: EFHW
Why
What mcmc said resonated
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And not related but I got distracted before I could vote: EFHW
Why
What mcmc said resonated
Do you think scum!EFHW would sheep without detailed thought so easily? Do you think scum!Swan incapable of coming up reasons for his votes?
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And not related but I got distracted before I could vote: EFHW
Why
What mcmc said resonated
Do you think scum!EFHW would sheep without detailed thought so easily? Do you think scum!Swan incapable of coming up reasons for his votes?
These questions don't seem relevant. Or rather than are imposing ideas into my head that I don't have. mcmc might have said them, but I don't necessarily agree with his whole comment.
EFHW's later justification for her sheep/read/vote felt less authentic than Datswan's, which was completely based off prior observations. Mostly I think it ridiculous to find anyone scummy for asking setup questions. Do you think it is? You are the one who did it.
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Is RR in this game?
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mcmc is overdefending TWM.
And everyone (except Galzria!) is misunderstanding (?) what I said. There's nothing wrong with asking questions, it's just that it doesn't happen that much. And Galzria had made a big point of saying he didn't know the setup, so that fit a scum narrative. This big a fuss makes me want my vote to stay there for now.
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Wow. mcmc gets me.
Best Buds!
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mcmc is overdefending TWM.
Totally the best way to get TWM to think you are town.
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Is RR in this game?
Yes, he is
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Robz doesn't seem scummy yet. That never happens. I think O complaining about being likely to be away but able to get to the internet is townie -- contrast with the things faust posted as scum in M113 when he was about to visit me in my own internet-enabled house!
It seems a very strange idea to judge people's alignment by how much time they are willing to spend on mafia during their holidays. Or during away time, I am not sure what exactly O is away for, not that it matters. What I posted in M113 had nothing to do with my alignment whatsoever, and I see no reason why what O posted would.
Maybe it's not a conscious thing, even. I feel like scum would be less likely to be chilled about maybe not being able to get internet, and more likely to hold it in reserve as a just-in-case excuse/reason for lurking, as you seemed to do in M113. As for alignments this game, I'm always more suspicious of you when your logic doesn't quite gel with mine.
And it doesn't right now?
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Is RR in this game?
Yes, he is
Cool.
Request prod on RR
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And request prod on Idplay, I figured out that he's also eligible.
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Tell me 'bout the greatest show or the greatest movie you know
or the greatest song that you taped from off the radio.
Play it again and again it cuts off at the ending though.
(https://youtu.be/d0iSoyw_btI?t=80)
Vote count 1.3
Galzria (2): EFHW, gkrieg13
Robz888 (3): IDontPlayThisGame, 2.71828..., McMcsalot
O (3): Faust, O, DatSwan
2.71828... (1): SpaceAnemone
gkrieg13 (1): Robz888
McMcsalot (1): Galzria
EFHW (1): The_Wine_Merchant
not voting (1): Roadrunner7671
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, April 9 at 9pm forum time.
Request prod on RR
And request prod on Idplay, I figured out that he's also eligible.
Sent. For reference, these are my slightly nonstandard prod rules:
6. One prod will be issued after 24 hours without posting in the game thread. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after two prods.
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My new strategy is to prod you all to death until I am the last one standing!
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Robz doesn't seem scummy yet. That never happens. I think O complaining about being likely to be away but able to get to the internet is townie -- contrast with the things faust posted as scum in M113 when he was about to visit me in my own internet-enabled house!
It seems a very strange idea to judge people's alignment by how much time they are willing to spend on mafia during their holidays. Or during away time, I am not sure what exactly O is away for, not that it matters. What I posted in M113 had nothing to do with my alignment whatsoever, and I see no reason why what O posted would.
Maybe it's not a conscious thing, even. I feel like scum would be less likely to be chilled about maybe not being able to get internet, and more likely to hold it in reserve as a just-in-case excuse/reason for lurking, as you seemed to do in M113. As for alignments this game, I'm always more suspicious of you when your logic doesn't quite gel with mine.
And it doesn't right now?
Your assertion that worries over game presence are not alignment indicative felt too clearly incorrect to me. I guess that's a case of differing underlying beliefs rather than a difference in logical deduction (which is where I've pinned you down as scum before), so I'll reserve judgement for now.
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I shall be extra careful with my deductions then! Maybe.
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Am I seriously the leading wagon? Lol I wish I was scum.
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Galz its interesting that you claim I am overdefending TWM. First off I have made two posts about it, one simply saying based on my experience with TWM that it was not scummy of him and I don't think it merited a vote. You then explained what you meant by forced and I agreed that while the last two posts were possibly fakely misspelled that still wasn't alignment indicative. That is hardly overdefending simply stating my thought about a pretty small thing you posted. Lets actually go through your posts on the matter.
Your initial post about TWM which was a read followed by a vote, something we typically want everyone to comment on and discuss, not a question to twm which I could maybe see where you would be upset that other people answered for him.
I then disagreed with your read and you felt the need to defend your statement and explain what you meant by forced.
2.7 tells you he disagrees with the read and you again defend yourself saying its not an iron clad case more of a gut read. Which is fine, its early day one, noone is saying you are too confident in your case we are just stating our opinion of the situation.
O questions the situation and insinuates he also think its not scummy, to which for the third time you defend yourself and explain why for twm you think its scummy
In response to your explanation to me about what you meant by forced I stated that I understood what you meant and that even if the last two posts were faked I still didn't think it was alignment indicative. You once again defend yourself stating you know its a weak case but you still think there is reason enough to vote. Which is fine, noone is forcing you to unvote, noone is claiming we find you scummy for making the case in the first place, three people are just stating their opinions about what you said and you won't let it go.
2.718 is townie.
TWM is possibly actually DAMA or is trying too hard. This sequence felt forced:
Why can't it be both? The last two were intentional misspellings because at the time I thought it was funny. My sense of humor gets seriously warped after a couple of drinks.
But I hardly think that is alignment indicative and if anything it is your vote that feels forced.
vote: mcmc
From you, that's fine. That's essentially saying "Yes, the sequence was intentional" - which is all I picked up on (and read "forced"). And you're right - you would do that as either alignment (as I noted). What I wanted and was waiting for, was for you to speak to it yourself - not have others jump to your defense for you.
Mcmc's defense of you by trying to delegitimize my vote feels like an attempt to discredit me - something he would be acutely aware to do if scum after reading (and commenting on) my VT QT in 114.
Finally when TWM defends himself by saying yep the last two posts were faked and that he claims it's not alignment indicative, you agree that he would do it as either alignment and state what you really wanted was for TWM to respond to your vote and not have other people comment on it. Now you come to the conclusion that because I made two posts about it one my read and two a clarification that I knew what you meant by forced and still thought it wasn't scummy you think I was overdefensive and trying to discredit you because I complimented your qt last game.
I am curious how you think I should have reacted as town to you placing a vote for TWM with a reason I disagreed with?
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A lull in the action! Probably means faust is scum. Vote: faust
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mcmc, you're pretty critical of Galzria. Why aren't you voting for him?
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I shall be extra careful with my deductions then! Maybe.
faust seems cheerier than usual. Goid vacation?
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mcmc, you're pretty critical of Galzria. Why aren't you voting for him?
Because they are both scum.
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mcmc, you're pretty critical of Galzria. Why aren't you voting for him?
Because they are both scum.
And yet you're voting for faust because:
A lull in the action! Probably means faust is scum. Vote: faust
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mcmc, you're pretty critical of Galzria. Why aren't you voting for him?
vote: efhw Based on the response to my earlier question and this post.
Because I don't think I am that critical of Galz...is this how people started lurking all the time and never making reads. Just because I disagreed with galz very early read of a small thing twm did and then did not like his attack of me for being what he calls defensive does NOT a scumread make. I see why galz thought what he did about TWM, it is a reasonable thought, just one I thought was wrong. I think galz is absolutely overblowing my defense of TWM and that makes me slightly suspicious of him but Mafia 111 we disagreed on tons of stuff and I felt like he was really not like the town!galz I remembered from years ago and then he turned out to be town.
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mcmc is overdefending TWM.
And everyone (except Galzria!) is misunderstanding (?) what I said. There's nothing wrong with asking questions, it's just that it doesn't happen that much. And Galzria had made a big point of saying he didn't know the setup, so that fit a scum narrative. This big a fuss makes me want my vote to stay there for now.
and same amount of criticism goes to you for thinking I was overdefending twm in my two posts where I disagreed with galz's read
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mcmc seems townie as well. I'm not getting the early townie vibes from faust though.
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mcmc scummy
datswan scummy
nobody else interesting.
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mcmc scummy
datswan scummy
nobody else interesting.
Not sure about DatSwan, but I disagree about mcmc.
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mcmc scummy
datswan scummy
nobody else interesting.
Just to be clear? Am I skummy because I voting for you? Or is there like an actual reason?
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Tell me I'm always gonna be your best friend.
Now you said it one time, why don't you say it again?
All the way down the line to where the telephone ends
come on and shout it on down the wire. (https://youtu.be/d0iSoyw_btI?t=94)
Vote count 1.4
Galzria (2): EFHW, gkrieg13
Robz888 (2): IDontPlayThisGame, 2.71828...
O (3): faust, O, DatSwan
2.71828... (1): SpaceAnemone
faust (1): Robz888
McMcsalot (1): Galzria
EFHW (2): The_Wine_Merchant, McMcsalot
not voting (1): Roadrunner7671
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, April 9 at 9pm forum time.
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Okay, I think I've got my game state probability thing set up properly now :-) Here are the chances of there being at least one of each role in the game, given the information we know about there not being any anarchic cops:
There is a 66.6% chance of Tra. (In addition to the named tracker).
There is a 58.6% chance of 1BP.
There is a 58.6% chance of UB.
There is a 48.8% chance of SK.
There is a 45.8% chance of Veng.
There is a 33.9% chance of Dru.
There is a 17.7% chance of DVig.
There is a 2.8% chance of Inv.
There is a 2.8% chance of TRC.
There is a 1.9% chance of BPJK.
Likelihoods of different numbers of Ts, for matching against scum powers:
0 Ts: 7.8%
1 Ts: 25.9%
2 Ts: 34.6%
3 Ts: 23.0%
4 Ts: 7.7%
5 Ts: 1.0%
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Okay, I think I've got my game state probability thing set up properly now :-) Here are the chances of there being at least one of each role in the game, given the information we know about there not being any anarchic cops:
There is a 66.6% chance of Tra. (In addition to the named tracker).
There is a 58.6% chance of 1BP.
There is a 58.6% chance of UB.
There is a 48.8% chance of SK.
There is a 45.8% chance of Veng.
There is a 33.9% chance of Dru.
There is a 17.7% chance of DVig.
There is a 2.8% chance of Inv.
There is a 2.8% chance of TRC.
There is a 1.9% chance of BPJK.
Likelihoods of different numbers of Ts, for matching against scum powers:
0 Ts: 7.8%
1 Ts: 25.9%
2 Ts: 34.6%
3 Ts: 23.0%
4 Ts: 7.7%
5 Ts: 1.0%
Yay so we know nothing. Carry on
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Still very much like my Robz vote, and I agree with the general sentiment that mcmc is townie.
I don't have any feelings about faust, and RR is town for lurking
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mcmc, you're pretty critical of Galzria. Why aren't you voting for him?
vote: efhw Based on the response to my earlier question and this post.
Uh oh. mcmc and I agree on things.
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RR is town for lurking
He isn't lurking. He hasn't posted or been online since the game opened. That is called absent and is alignment proof.
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mcmc, you're pretty critical of Galzria. Why aren't you voting for him?
vote: efhw Based on the response to my earlier question and this post.
Uh oh. mcmc and I agree on things.
I know. I like having someone to argue with. It really helps me stay more involved in the game
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RR is town for lurking
He isn't lurking. He hasn't posted or been online since the game opened. That is called absent and is alignment proof.
RR is town for being absent
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RR is town for lurking
He isn't lurking. He hasn't posted or been online since the game opened. That is called absent and is alignment proof.
RR is town for being absent
Please tell me you're not serious.
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RR is town for lurking
He isn't lurking. He hasn't posted or been online since the game opened. That is called absent and is alignment proof.
RR is town for being absent
This is me arguing with you.
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I shall be extra careful with my deductions then! Maybe.
faust seems cheerier than usual. Goid vacation?
Yes, and some time going without any games always gets me more motivated.
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RR is town for lurking
He isn't lurking. He hasn't posted or been online since the game opened. That is called absent and is alignment proof.
RR is town for being absent
Please tell me you're not serious.
Why? It's a totally valid way to read people, though I don't think very helpful in RR's case.
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mcmc, you're pretty critical of Galzria. Why aren't you voting for him?
Because they are both scum.
And yet you're voting for faust because:
A lull in the action! Probably means faust is scum. Vote: faust
What is this post trying to achieve?
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Vote: Idplay
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I even have a case:
- Idplay is lurking
- he has not posted any content, instead his posts are only vague criticisms of other people's reads and playstyles, which does not help the game at all
- he's keeping an RVS vote on a major wagon without clarifying whether it's serious now.
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RR is town for lurking
He isn't lurking. He hasn't posted or been online since the game opened. That is called absent and is alignment proof.
RR is town for being absent
? Is this not meant to say "RR is Null for being absent"?
Please, anyone with a read, explain to me why any player - in this instance, RR - would be either Town or Skum based on exactly zero interactions.
The strangest thing about this imo is the order of events:
we had a prod - whatever, that is fine because, in fairness, he hasn't said a word.
Then 2.7, you say he is Town for lurking - IDK how TWM is capable of figuring out he has not been online, but to the point I am making below it doesn't really matter. That point being...
Isn't this the part where 2.7 is supposed to say "lynch the lurker" or something as opposed to "the lurker is town"?
2.7 - why do you think RR is Town for his absolute inaction in the game thus far?
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Why is everyone making such a big fuss about e's very inconsequential RR read? Aren't there more important things on your mind? Like you could tell me how you feel about my Idplay case, or explain to me how your read on O developed since you vote for him.
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The above is directed at DatSwan by the way.
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Also, calling it now: The scumteam is Idplay, EFHW, mcmc.
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Why is everyone making such a big fuss about e's very inconsequential RR read? Aren't there more important things on your mind? Like you could tell me how you feel about my Idplay case, or explain to me how your read on O developed since you vote for him.
RR Case - I made it pretty clear that my statements about this were based on - what appears to be - a mutual understanding. That is to say it is nonsense. Just because it is nonsense does not mean we should ignore the nonsense surrounding it though.
O Read - Pretty much the same as it was at the beginning. Voting for the IC Day1, self voting for fun, making some absurd early claim, etc. always leads to the same WIFOM - "why would someone do that as skum?". Thing is, they like... always turn out to be skum. So no, nothing really new, but I still like the vote. Could also go for Galz at this point, but the dude literally never gets lynched so I don't see the point in trying.
IDP - You have merit to this I suppose. But you have clearly stated you are skum reading IDP, EFHW, and MC. Why not push for someone who is contributing content from your list? Wouldn't that be more beneficial if they flip skum as opposed to someone who has contributed essentially nothing?
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also, collaborative effort attempt here - same question to you. how do you feel about your original O vote? I know you switched off, but where are you at on that currently?
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IDP - You have merit to this I suppose. But you have clearly stated you are skum reading IDP, EFHW, and MC. Why not push for someone who is contributing content from your list? Wouldn't that be more beneficial if they flip skum as opposed to someone who has contributed essentially nothing?
The idea is that pushing for that case will lead to more contribution from that person. Also I fundamentally disagree that it is more beneficial to lynch an active scum than it is to lynch a scum lurker.
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also, collaborative effort attempt here - same question to you. how do you feel about your original O vote? I know you switched off, but where are you at on that currently?
I don't like what he's doing, but he did similar silly stuff in M100 and was town there. I seem to remember that scum!O is more in the background, but cannot recall a game where he was scum.
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also, collaborative effort attempt here - same question to you. how do you feel about your original O vote? I know you switched off, but where are you at on that currently?
I don't like what he's doing, but he did similar silly stuff in M100 and was town there. I seem to remember that scum!O is more in the background, but cannot recall a game where he was scum.
What am I doing?
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also, collaborative effort attempt here - same question to you. how do you feel about your original O vote? I know you switched off, but where are you at on that currently?
I don't like what he's doing, but he did similar silly stuff in M100 and was town there. I seem to remember that scum!O is more in the background, but cannot recall a game where he was scum.
What am I doing?
Jokes and self-votes.
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also, collaborative effort attempt here - same question to you. how do you feel about your original O vote? I know you switched off, but where are you at on that currently?
I don't like what he's doing, but he did similar silly stuff in M100 and was town there. I seem to remember that scum!O is more in the background, but cannot recall a game where he was scum.
What am I doing?
Jokes and self-votes.
Not outside of the first three posts of the game. Try again.
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Datswan is towny, faust is fausty. The case on Idplay is decent
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I have a general impression that inactive!RR is more often town than scum. That being said, being absent doesn't help either faction that he might be on
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also, collaborative effort attempt here - same question to you. how do you feel about your original O vote? I know you switched off, but where are you at on that currently?
I don't like what he's doing, but he did similar silly stuff in M100 and was town there. I seem to remember that scum!O is more in the background, but cannot recall a game where he was scum.
What am I doing?
Jokes and self-votes.
Not outside of the first three posts of the game. Try again.
I am confused. Are you trying to convince me that you are scummy?
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Yea I am not a fan at all of what O is doing
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I even have a case:
(1)- Idplay is lurking
(2)- he has not posted any content, instead his posts are only vague criticisms of other people's reads and playstyles, which does not help the game at all
(3)- he's keeping an RVS vote on a major wagon without clarifying whether it's serious now.
The numbers are mine, not faust's.
1) This comes up in every game I've played in recently. I often have trouble figuring out what to say to help a game which leads to posting nothing which doesn't help.
2) See the second sentence of 1.
3) Started as RVS, but I like the vote and it should be considered serious. Robz's opening reminded me of M111 where he was scum and I like mcmc's argument a little while back. That's enough of a reason for me to have a serious vote at this point.
With regards to lurkers = scum, how often has scum really been lurking? I can understand if people keep going with it as a policy thing to discourage scum from lurking, but I can't think of a time in my games that a lurker lynch hit scum. The closest would be M112 when scum!TWM was lynched and didn't have many posts, but that was a very slow game in general and I don't think he was lynched solely because he had a low post count.
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I even have a case:
- Idplay is lurking
- he has not posted any content, instead his posts are only vague criticisms of other people's reads and playstyles, which does not help the game at all
- he's keeping an RVS vote on a major wagon without clarifying whether it's serious now.
This is good enough. Vote: IDPTG
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With regards to lurkers = scum, how often has scum really been lurking? I can understand if people keep going with it as a policy thing to discourage scum from lurking, but I can't think of a time in my games that a lurker lynch hit scum. The closest would be M112 when scum!TWM was lynched and didn't have many posts, but that was a very slow game in general and I don't think he was lynched solely because he had a low post count.
Do you think you would lurk more or less or the same amount as scum?
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With regards to lurkers = scum, how often has scum really been lurking? I can understand if people keep going with it as a policy thing to discourage scum from lurking, but I can't think of a time in my games that a lurker lynch hit scum. The closest would be M112 when scum!TWM was lynched and didn't have many posts, but that was a very slow game in general and I don't think he was lynched solely because he had a low post count.
Do you think you would lurk more or less or the same amount as scum?
I'm not sure. I've been scum all of once and it was....a very poor showing.
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With regards to lurkers = scum, how often has scum really been lurking? I can understand if people keep going with it as a policy thing to discourage scum from lurking, but I can't think of a time in my games that a lurker lynch hit scum. The closest would be M112 when scum!TWM was lynched and didn't have many posts, but that was a very slow game in general and I don't think he was lynched solely because he had a low post count.
Do you think you would lurk more or less or the same amount as scum?
I'm not sure. I've been scum all of once and it was....a very poor showing.
So if you wouldn't say that you would lurk less as scum, then why should we take you lurking as a reason not to lynch you?
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IDPTG's first few posts were attempts to hold me accountable for statements I shouldn't really be held accountable for, so I found that a bit scummy.
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I even have a case:
- Idplay is lurking
- he has not posted any content, instead his posts are only vague criticisms of other people's reads and playstyles, which does not help the game at all
- he's keeping an RVS vote on a major wagon without clarifying whether it's serious now.
First two points are fair, third point is scummy from faust.
Declaring the Robz wagon "major" is a stretch of the imagination at best. Yeah, it got 3 quick votes, but at the time of the post only had two, myself and IDPTG. By those standards unless you unvote completely, anyone who still has an "RVS" vote is scummy. Basically, faust is trying to throw shade where none is to be found.
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Yea I am not a fan at all of what O is doing
Which posts in particular do you object to?
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I even have a case:
- Idplay is lurking
- he has not posted any content, instead his posts are only vague criticisms of other people's reads and playstyles, which does not help the game at all
- he's keeping an RVS vote on a major wagon without clarifying whether it's serious now.
First two points are fair, third point is scummy from faust.
Declaring the Robz wagon "major" is a stretch of the imagination at best. Yeah, it got 3 quick votes, but at the time of the post only had two, myself and IDPTG. By those standards unless you unvote completely, anyone who still has an "RVS" vote is scummy. Basically, faust is trying to throw shade where none is to be found.
And the first two points are about as alignment indicative of IDP as my statement of RR is town for being absent
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I do think Robz is fishing for any wagon that will stick at this point. Gkrieg, Faust, and now IDPTG
Now I just have to remember if he does that as town or scum... or both.
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I will paint it as scummy and help build my case
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I do think Robz is fishing for any wagon that will stick at this point. Gkrieg, Faust, and now IDPTG
Now I just have to remember if he does that as town or scum... or both.
I'm just sort of provoking people in my own way, that's all.
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I do think Robz is fishing for any wagon that will stick at this point. Gkrieg, Faust, and now IDPTG
Now I just have to remember if he does that as town or scum... or both.
I'm just sort of provoking people in my own way, that's all.
What does this even mean?
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With regards to lurkers = scum, how often has scum really been lurking? I can understand if people keep going with it as a policy thing to discourage scum from lurking, but I can't think of a time in my games that a lurker lynch hit scum. The closest would be M112 when scum!TWM was lynched and didn't have many posts, but that was a very slow game in general and I don't think he was lynched solely because he had a low post count.
Do you think you would lurk more or less or the same amount as scum?
I'm not sure. I've been scum all of once and it was....a very poor showing.
So if you wouldn't say that you would lurk less as scum, then why should we take you lurking as a reason not to lynch you?
That wasn't meant as, "hey, I've been lurking a bit and therefore I'm town". It was a question that hasn't been answered.
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I even have a case:
- Idplay is lurking
- he has not posted any content, instead his posts are only vague criticisms of other people's reads and playstyles, which does not help the game at all
- he's keeping an RVS vote on a major wagon without clarifying whether it's serious now.
First two points are fair, third point is scummy from faust.
Declaring the Robz wagon "major" is a stretch of the imagination at best. Yeah, it got 3 quick votes, but at the time of the post only had two, myself and IDPTG. By those standards unless you unvote completely, anyone who still has an "RVS" vote is scummy. Basically, faust is trying to throw shade where none is to be found.
Well, anyone who still has an RVS vote is scummy. The point is that Robz reads have been discussed, and usually that would make people think "hey I'm voting for that person; should I really be voting for that person?"
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With regards to lurkers = scum, how often has scum really been lurking? I can understand if people keep going with it as a policy thing to discourage scum from lurking, but I can't think of a time in my games that a lurker lynch hit scum. The closest would be M112 when scum!TWM was lynched and didn't have many posts, but that was a very slow game in general and I don't think he was lynched solely because he had a low post count.
Do you think you would lurk more or less or the same amount as scum?
I'm not sure. I've been scum all of once and it was....a very poor showing.
So if you wouldn't say that you would lurk less as scum, then why should we take you lurking as a reason not to lynch you?
That wasn't meant as, "hey, I've been lurking a bit and therefore I'm town". It was a question that hasn't been answered.
So you deny that this was intended as a defense from you?
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I do think Robz is fishing for any wagon that will stick at this point. Gkrieg, Faust, and now IDPTG
Now I just have to remember if he does that as town or scum... or both.
I'm just sort of provoking people in my own way, that's all.
What does this even mean?
Some of it was quasi RVS, some of it was gauging how people would respond.
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I will paint it as scummy and help build my case
You're very "meta" this game.
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With regards to lurkers = scum, how often has scum really been lurking? I can understand if people keep going with it as a policy thing to discourage scum from lurking, but I can't think of a time in my games that a lurker lynch hit scum. The closest would be M112 when scum!TWM was lynched and didn't have many posts, but that was a very slow game in general and I don't think he was lynched solely because he had a low post count.
Do you think you would lurk more or less or the same amount as scum?
I'm not sure. I've been scum all of once and it was....a very poor showing.
So if you wouldn't say that you would lurk less as scum, then why should we take you lurking as a reason not to lynch you?
That wasn't meant as, "hey, I've been lurking a bit and therefore I'm town". It was a question that hasn't been answered.
So you deny that this was intended as a defense from you?
Well, let's look at the whole post instead of just the snippet you're harping on.
I even have a case:
(1)- Idplay is lurking
(2)- he has not posted any content, instead his posts are only vague criticisms of other people's reads and playstyles, which does not help the game at all
(3)- he's keeping an RVS vote on a major wagon without clarifying whether it's serious now.
The numbers are mine, not faust's.
1) This comes up in every game I've played in recently. I often have trouble figuring out what to say to help a game which leads to posting nothing which doesn't help.
2) See the second sentence of 1.
3) Started as RVS, but I like the vote and it should be considered serious. Robz's opening reminded me of M111 where he was scum and I like mcmc's argument a little while back. That's enough of a reason for me to have a serious vote at this point.
With regards to lurkers = scum, how often has scum really been lurking? I can understand if people keep going with it as a policy thing to discourage scum from lurking, but I can't think of a time in my games that a lurker lynch hit scum. The closest would be M112 when scum!TWM was lynched and didn't have many posts, but that was a very slow game in general and I don't think he was lynched solely because he had a low post count.
1, 2, and 3 are my response to your case. Since you're keen on calling something a defense we can call it one if you'd like. Personally, I consider it a "response" not a "defense". The next bit, my question, is separate. That's because the rest of the post is no longer in response to your case. I can make that clearer in further posts if it would help prevent you from misrepresenting what I've said.
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Okay, then what was the intention of talking about lurkers?
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Okay, then what was the intention of talking about lurkers?
It was a request for clarification on whether my remembered experience with lurker lynches is or is not representative of the reality of most of the recent Mafia games on this forum.
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Sorry people - boss in town from out of state yesterday and today. Will be MIA until tomorrow
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I even have a case:
- Idplay is lurking
- he has not posted any content, instead his posts are only vague criticisms of other people's reads and playstyles, which does not help the game at all
- he's keeping an RVS vote on a major wagon without clarifying whether it's serious now.
First two points are fair, third point is scummy from faust.
Declaring the Robz wagon "major" is a stretch of the imagination at best. Yeah, it got 3 quick votes, but at the time of the post only had two, myself and IDPTG. By those standards unless you unvote completely, anyone who still has an "RVS" vote is scummy. Basically, faust is trying to throw shade where none is to be found.
Well, anyone who still has an RVS vote is scummy. The point is that Robz reads have been discussed, and usually that would make people think "hey I'm voting for that person; should I really be voting for that person?"
Do scum really leave RVS votes on longer than town? It is something that people say is the case, but I don't really think it's true.
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I think IDPTG is town. I don't remember him very well (probably from his lack of avatar).
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I think IDPTG is town. I don't remember him very well (probably from his lack of avatar).
To be clear, that is not why I think he is town though.
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I will paint it as scummy and help build my case
You're very "meta" this game.
I try to be myself every game
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Cuzz replaces Roadrunner7671, effective immediately.
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And it's not all right.
It's not even close to all right. (https://youtu.be/d0iSoyw_btI?t=111)
Down a hall in your house, down a road in December
(Down, down, down the deep river, down, down, down the deep river)
(https://youtu.be/d0iSoyw_btI?t=118)
Vote count 1.5
Galzria (2): EFHW, gkrieg13
Robz888 (2): IDontPlayThisGame, 2.71828...
O (2): O, DatSwan
2.71828... (1): SpaceAnemone
McMcsalot (1): Galzria
EFHW (2): The_Wine_Merchant, McMcsalot
IDontPlayThisGame (2): faust, Robz888
not voting (1): Cuzz
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, April 9 at 9pm forum time.
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Yay so we know nothing. Carry on
We know little, but now we have a helpful framework to use when trying to gain more! I know a bunch of players are super-confident that they know how to use their PR to best help the game, but I think that the optimal strategy has to have some awareness of what else is likely to be out there. With a complex 9++ setup, it's not that easy for most players to get a feel for it.
Scum already knows more than town does, because their roles will tell them exactly how many Ts there are, which gives them a pretty good idea of our strength. Meanwhile, we have a definite named tracker, but what if they don't realise there are likely to be more trackers around? Does everyone go for the "obvious" target?
I get that there are players who find this level of analysis/planning non-fun and low-yield based compared to an "easy" win on plain reads, but for me it really helps, so having it painted as irrelevant just because it doesn't float everyone's boat is frustrating.
In other news, I miss Calamitas.
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I do think Robz is fishing for any wagon that will stick at this point. Gkrieg, Faust, and now IDPTG
Now I just have to remember if he does that as town or scum... or both.
I'm just sort of provoking people in my own way, that's all.
What does this even mean?
Some of it was quasi RVS, some of it was gauging how people would respond.
I really like this response from Robz. Feels very much like something I would say as town.
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In other news, I miss Calamitas.
I know! Now it means that if you die, I think I'm the one who has to make the simulation...
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I think right now I'm on the edge with Galzria, TWM, and Datswan. As in, I think they are scummy, in that I don't think they have done anything townie.
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Hi friends. Lots to catch up on, so if anyone wants to save me some time and tell me who the scumteam is I'd appreciate it greatly.
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Hi friends. Lots to catch up on, so if anyone wants to save me some time and tell me who the scumteam is I'd appreciate it greatly.
Robz, EFHW, gkrieg with SK!Galzria
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Hi friends. Lots to catch up on, so if anyone wants to save me some time and tell me who the scumteam is I'd appreciate it greatly.
Robz, EFHW, gkrieg with SK!Galzria
I buy it. Thanks!
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I think right now I'm on the edge with Galzria, TWM, and Datswan. As in, I think they are scummy, in that I don't think they have done anything townie.
But Idplay has?
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Galzria is a terrible lynch.
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Galzria is a terrible lynch.
EFHW is a good one though, I think IDP's defense was towny
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Yea I am not a fan at all of what O is doing
Which posts in particular do you object to?
His inital joke followed by his joke explanation followed by his self vote. Meh actually I am fine with his posts afterward, thanks for making me do that.
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I think right now I'm on the edge with Galzria, TWM, and Datswan. As in, I think they are scummy, in that I don't think they have done anything townie.
But Idplay has?
I thought his defense was townie in that he tried to defend himself, instead of just fading into the background.
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unvote. Embarrassed to admit I conflated posts by e and Galzria. Galzria didn't claim to have ignored the setup, which was part of my "scumread".
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RR is town for lurking
He isn't lurking. He hasn't posted or been online since the game opened. That is called absent and is alignment proof.
RR is town for being absent
... IDK how TWM is capable of figuring out he has not been online
One thought is that they are both scum and RR hadn't been to the mafia qt.
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unvote. Embarrassed to admit I conflated posts by e and Galzria. Galzria didn't claim to have ignored the setup, which was part of my "scumread".
This seems odd from you. While e asked at #38 whether he should read the setup, he then stated at #39 that he had read it... so even thinking that e is ignoring the setup doesn't quite track.
I'm definitely not a fan of the way e treats most complex setup thought as something to be dismissed, but I feel like that's a slightly separate thing.
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RR is town for lurking
He isn't lurking. He hasn't posted or been online since the game opened. That is called absent and is alignment proof.
RR is town for being absent
... IDK how TWM is capable of figuring out he has not been online
One thought is that they are both scum and RR hadn't been to the mafia qt.
There's also the possibility that TWM just looked at RR's profile page (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=profile;u=2994) for his last login date, and saw that he hasn't been online since just after midnight on 2nd April.
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Yea I am not a fan at all of what O is doing
Which posts in particular do you object to?
His inital joke followed by his joke explanation followed by his self vote. Meh actually I am fine with his posts afterward, thanks for making me do that.
This feels like a townie post. Similar to the one that whomever pointed out about Robz above.
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RR is town for lurking
He isn't lurking. He hasn't posted or been online since the game opened. That is called absent and is alignment proof.
RR is town for being absent
... IDK how TWM is capable of figuring out he has not been online
One thought is that they are both scum and RR hadn't been to the mafia qt.
There's also the possibility that TWM just looked at RR's profile page (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=profile;u=2994) for his last login date, and saw that he hasn't been online since just after midnight on 2nd April.
Oooh! That is exactly what I did! Datswan's question feels legitimate. EFHW just feels like a smear attempt, although to be fair a major stretch of one, so maybe not really?
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unvote. Embarrassed to admit I conflated posts by e and Galzria. Galzria didn't claim to have ignored the setup, which was part of my "scumread".
Still don't know why that is scummy? I have yet to make a thorough read through the setup and this certainly isn't the first time. I'll probably get to it Night 1 or if I have to at some point during Day 1 (claim or something that happens).
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IDP - You have merit to this I suppose. But you have clearly stated you are skum reading IDP, EFHW, and MC. Why not push for someone who is contributing content from your list? Wouldn't that be more beneficial if they flip skum as opposed to someone who has contributed essentially nothing?
The idea is that pushing for that case will lead to more contribution from that person. Also I fundamentally disagree that it is more beneficial to lynch an active scum than it is to lynch a scum lurker.
Right but like... only if they are skum. Since players have no color prior to flip i guess we just have different opinions. I generally would lynch the more active of a skum Pool instead of the lurker for the information it would generate (regardless of allignnment.
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IDP - You have merit to this I suppose. But you have clearly stated you are skum reading IDP, EFHW, and MC. Why not push for someone who is contributing content from your list? Wouldn't that be more beneficial if they flip skum as opposed to someone who has contributed essentially nothing?
The idea is that pushing for that case will lead to more contribution from that person. Also I fundamentally disagree that it is more beneficial to lynch an active scum than it is to lynch a scum lurker.
Right but like... only if they are skum. Since players have no color prior to flip i guess we just have different opinions. I generally would lynch the more active of a skum Pool instead of the lurker for the information it would generate (regardless of allignnment.
I wouldn't.
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I am seriously confused by the amount of defense Idplay is getting for showing the tiniest amount of work. But some of those defending him have to be town... I don't get at all how you could feel so strongly about Idplay. Doing anything is now a reason to be townread? Or what?
Eh. Well since this is going nowhere, I might as well vote: EFHW
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I am seriously confused by the amount of defense Idplay is getting for showing the tiniest amount of work. But some of those defending him have to be town... I don't get at all how you could feel so strongly about Idplay.
I saw Gkrieg's one, which basically echos what I think, which is that IDP is freakily invisible because of the lack of avatar.
Now I'm actually looking, I see that mcmc said specifically that he thought IDP's defense was townie. So that's a second.
Are you counting Datswan's vague statement about preferring to lynch an active scummy person rather than a lurky one as a defense? I think I'm with Swan on that one, but it's going to be really variable depending on the person, their playstyle, and the role they've been dealt in the game, so really it has to be considered on a case-by-case basis. Personally, I just don't have a feeling either way on IDP yet.
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Eh. Well since this is going nowhere, I might as well vote: EFHW
I'll bite. Vote: EFHW.
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I am seriously confused by the amount of defense Idplay is getting for showing the tiniest amount of work. But some of those defending him have to be town... I don't get at all how you could feel so strongly about Idplay.
I saw Gkrieg's one, which basically echos what I think, which is that IDP is freakily invisible because of the lack of avatar.
Now I'm actually looking, I see that mcmc said specifically that he thought IDP's defense was townie. So that's a second.
Are you counting Datswan's vague statement about preferring to lynch an active scummy person rather than a lurky one as a defense? I think I'm with Swan on that one, but it's going to be really variable depending on the person, their playstyle, and the role they've been dealt in the game, so really it has to be considered on a case-by-case basis. Personally, I just don't have a feeling either way on IDP yet.
No, I'm also counting e:
I even have a case:
- Idplay is lurking
- he has not posted any content, instead his posts are only vague criticisms of other people's reads and playstyles, which does not help the game at all
- he's keeping an RVS vote on a major wagon without clarifying whether it's serious now.
First two points are fair, third point is scummy from faust.
Declaring the Robz wagon "major" is a stretch of the imagination at best. Yeah, it got 3 quick votes, but at the time of the post only had two, myself and IDPTG. By those standards unless you unvote completely, anyone who still has an "RVS" vote is scummy. Basically, faust is trying to throw shade where none is to be found.
And the first two points are about as alignment indicative of IDP as my statement of RR is town for being absent
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Side note, I also don't understand why people would want to leave lurkers alive. I'd rather lynch a scummy AND anti-town player than one who is just scummy.
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Shivering from the late fall cold,
I felt like a solid ghost.
I ran and then I couldn't slow.
My father found me though, my father took me home.
(https://youtu.be/d0iSoyw_btI?t=155)
Vote count 1.6
Galzria (1): gkrieg13
Robz888 (2): IDontPlayThisGame, 2.71828...
O (2): O, DatSwan
McMcsalot (1): Galzria
EFHW (4): The_Wine_Merchant, McMcsalot, faust, SpaceAnemone
IDontPlayThisGame (1): Robz888
not voting (2): Cuzz, EFHW
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, April 9 at 9pm forum time.
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I reread for a bit and realized that I don't want to be voting EFHW. She conflated posts by Galzria and e and that only happens to scum!EFHW if both Galzria and e are town, thus the probability of EFHW being scum is decreased.
On the other hand I am not a fan of TWM so far. Vote: TWM
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I reread for a bit and realized that I don't want to be voting EFHW. She conflated posts by Galzria and e and that only happens to scum!EFHW if both Galzria and e are town, thus the probability of EFHW being scum is decreased.
On the other hand I am not a fan of TWM so far. Vote: TWM
Specifically, you don’t like what?
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I reread for a bit and realized that I don't want to be voting EFHW. She conflated posts by Galzria and e and that only happens to scum!EFHW if both Galzria and e are town, thus the probability of EFHW being scum is decreased.
On the other hand I am not a fan of TWM so far. Vote: TWM
Specifically, you don’t like what?
This:
2.718 is townie.
TWM is possibly actually DAMA or is trying too hard. This sequence felt forced:
Why can't it be both? The last two were intentional misspellings because at the time I thought it was funny. My sense of humor gets seriously warped after a couple of drinks.
But I hardly think that is alignment indicative and if anything it is your vote that feels forced.
The accusation of Galzria is something I don't like. and talking about a thing you did yourself as "not alignment indicative" feels like you are detached from your own play, like you are merely faking it.
I don't like your original EFHW vote which is just for a "bad" read. I don't like the mcmc buddying.
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RR is town for lurking
He isn't lurking. He hasn't posted or been online since the game opened. That is called absent and is alignment proof.
RR is town for being absent
... IDK how TWM is capable of figuring out he has not been online
One thought is that they are both scum and RR hadn't been to the mafia qt.
There's also the possibility that TWM just looked at RR's profile page (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=profile;u=2994) for his last login date, and saw that he hasn't been online since just after midnight on 2nd April.
That is a much better explanation. But a scum player with a missing partner would be more likely to be aware of such things. I know it isn't much, but lacking another lead that speaks to me, vote: TWM.
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RR is town for lurking
He isn't lurking. He hasn't posted or been online since the game opened. That is called absent and is alignment proof.
RR is town for being absent
... IDK how TWM is capable of figuring out he has not been online
One thought is that they are both scum and RR hadn't been to the mafia qt.
There's also the possibility that TWM just looked at RR's profile page (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=profile;u=2994) for his last login date, and saw that he hasn't been online since just after midnight on 2nd April.
That is a much better explanation. But a scum player with a missing partner would be more likely to be aware of such things. I know it isn't much, but lacking another lead that speaks to me, vote: TWM.
A scum player would also be more aware to not talk about this publicly.
Why are you not voting Cuzz if you think they're partners?
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I am seriously confused by the amount of defense Idplay is getting for showing the tiniest amount of work. But some of those defending him have to be town... I don't get at all how you could feel so strongly about Idplay.
I saw Gkrieg's one, which basically echos what I think, which is that IDP is freakily invisible because of the lack of avatar.
Is my lack of avatar really that big of a deal? You can just say you don't remember me. I won't be insulted.
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Is my lack of avatar really that big of a deal?
Yes, for me having an avatar there makes a big difference in my ability to organise my thinking. I may not be entirely neurotypical, but I also can't see the use of an avatar not helping most people.
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Is my lack of avatar really that big of a deal?
Yes, for me having an avatar there makes a big difference in my ability to organise my thinking. I may not be entirely neurotypical, but I also can't see the use of an avatar not helping most people.
Ugh, fine, I'll find one.
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Why are you not voting Cuzz if you think they're partners?
When you voted for EFHW, you seemed to be trying to create consolidated wagons. I think that's a reasonable idea when we're coming into a weekend that's pretty much right before the deadline.
Now you've jumped away from EFHW (someone was complaining earlier about Robz going for any wagon that looked like it might stick..) and seem to be challenging her to start a new wagon on a currently-unvoted-for player; that just doesn't feel consistent.
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It would also be good to hear more from Cuzz.
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Faust, how do you feel about jumping off a wagon right when it was really picking up steam?
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I reread for a bit and realized that I don't want to be voting EFHW. She conflated posts by Galzria and e and that only happens to scum!EFHW if both Galzria and e are town, thus the probability of EFHW being scum is decreased.
On the other hand I am not a fan of TWM so far. Vote: TWM
Specifically, you don’t like what?
This:
2.718 is townie.
TWM is possibly actually DAMA or is trying too hard. This sequence felt forced:
Why can't it be both? The last two were intentional misspellings because at the time I thought it was funny. My sense of humor gets seriously warped after a couple of drinks.
But I hardly think that is alignment indicative and if anything it is your vote that feels forced.
The accusation of Galzria is something I don't like. and talking about a thing you did yourself as "not alignment indicative" feels like you are detached from your own play, like you are merely faking it.
I don't like your original EFHW vote which is just for a "bad" read. I don't like the mcmc buddying.
Go do a search in posts of mine from any other game. I tend to say alignment indicative a lot. I get annoyed with myself for saying it as it is kind of a obtuse statement, but I have a hard time finding another way to say it. So I don't think that is alignment indicative.
Is that why I voted for EFHW? I don't think it is. I found her scummy for finding suspicion based off whether people read or didn't read the setup. It seemed like a very easy way to fabricate reads.
And mcmc buddying. I guess you could call it that. I am honestly, just trying to be not as big of a pain in the ass. I can state now that I received some mod counsel during my last game to try and, well, chill out. I am approaching that as trying to have a nicer, lighter mood to begin with. If I am found scummy for that? Well then, that is frustrating for me. But I am going to try and not let that get me off the rails.
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Faust is being pestering and playing both sides. I think that means he is probably town?
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Faust is being pestering and playing both sides. I think that means he is probably town?
Ugh.. I appreciate your calm behaviour, in that people getting genuinely angry in-thread isn't nice, but I can pretty much feel a careless shrug in your words there.
Why is inconsistent!faust prob!town for "playing both sides" -- isn't that exactly how scum work to find a likely wagon for a mislynch?
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Faust is being pestering and playing both sides. I think that means he is probably town?
Ugh.. I appreciate your calm behaviour, in that people getting genuinely angry in-thread isn't nice, but I can pretty much feel a careless shrug in your words there.
Why is inconsistent!faust prob!town for "playing both sides" -- isn't that exactly how scum work to find a likely wagon for a mislynch?
I agree with Space here. vote: faust
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Although I would much rather lynch a lurker than faust D1.
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Faust clearly explained why he left EFHW. It was a totally valid reason in my mind? Why are people calling him scum for it?
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Faust clearly explained why he left EFHW. It was a totally valid reason in my mind? Why are people calling him scum for it?
Too many question marks. Only the last one is supposed to be a question
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Faust is being pestering and playing both sides. I think that means he is probably town?
Ugh.. I appreciate your calm behaviour, in that people getting genuinely angry in-thread isn't nice, but I can pretty much feel a careless shrug in your words there.
Why is inconsistent!faust prob!town for "playing both sides" -- isn't that exactly how scum work to find a likely wagon for a mislynch?
It isn't inconsistent!faust. He voted EFHW for a reason. He found a more compelling reason to think EFHW was town. He moved his vote.
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It would also be good to hear more from Cuzz.
Cuzz replaced in and has not caught up, but is town fwiw.
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unvote. Embarrassed to admit I conflated posts by e and Galzria. Galzria didn't claim to have ignored the setup, which was part of my "scumread".
A very townie admission I think.
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Side note, I also don't understand why people would want to leave lurkers alive. I'd rather lynch a scummy AND anti-town player than one who is just scummy.
Same, and I'm totally baffled by DatSwan's statement to the contrary. Also, it's way easier to lynch lurky scums than active scums, so going after lurkers is IMO often better, because you're more likely to actually succeed.
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Now I'm reading faust as pretty strongly town.
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Vote: O until he removes the self vote. Like faust said and Robz just quoted, lurking and anti-town is good enough to lynch D1. (Acknowledging that O said he wouldn't have the best access, but he still needs to get rid of his self vote)
I will let Robz live another day.
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Unvote
I'm exploring Tokyo, for those who would enjoy details about the lack of attention ;D
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Will read more when I get back to hotel tonight
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Faust is being pestering and playing both sides. I think that means he is probably town?
Ugh.. I appreciate your calm behaviour, in that people getting genuinely angry in-thread isn't nice, but I can pretty much feel a careless shrug in your words there.
Why is inconsistent!faust prob!town for "playing both sides" -- isn't that exactly how scum work to find a likely wagon for a mislynch?
I mean that he is playing the type of game where is just needling everyone and poking and prodding. And that tends to make me want to vote for him just because I find it aggregating especially when he doesn't let others do it to him, but those reads of mine tend to be completely incorrect, so he is probably town.
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Faust is being pestering and playing both sides. I think that means he is probably town?
Ugh.. I appreciate your calm behaviour, in that people getting genuinely angry in-thread isn't nice, but I can pretty much feel a careless shrug in your words there.
Why is inconsistent!faust prob!town for "playing both sides" -- isn't that exactly how scum work to find a likely wagon for a mislynch?
It isn't inconsistent!faust. He voted EFHW for a reason. He found a more compelling reason to think EFHW was town. He moved his vote.
I didn't mean in regard to EFHW. I meant in regard to me. One minute he is voting for me, the next he is defending me against a point. He was playing both sides of it.
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I could vote 2.7.
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Although I would much rather lynch a lurker than faust D1.
And yet your vote is there.
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I could vote 2.7.
That's a true statement.
In the meantime, vote: Space. The EFHW wagon is a scummy one.
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Side note, I also don't understand why people would want to leave lurkers alive. I'd rather lynch a scummy AND anti-town player than one who is just scummy.
Same, and I'm totally baffled by DatSwan's statement to the contrary. Also, it's way easier to lynch lurky scums than active scums, so going after lurkers is IMO often better, because you're more likely to actually succeed.
When was the last time you lynched a scum!lurker? Approximate amount of time will do.
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I get the rabbit hole this goes down, but can we please either acknowledge that lurker lynches are more policy driven than success driven or make an argument that scum has been lurking?
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I think first you have to qualify who is a lurker and then find the scummiest of them. Not just pick one and role with it just because. See sir Martin lynch day 1 from last game.
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Top of head from the list that would be cuz, o, idptg, day swan and maybe galz.
But most, of not all have circumstances behind that and I would want to look at specific posts to actually come to that determination.
Instead I want to explore vote: 2.7
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Instead I want to explore vote: 2.7
What is there to explore? I suppose the possibilities are endless
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I get the rabbit hole this goes down, but can we please either acknowledge that lurker lynches are more policy driven than success driven or make an argument that scum has been lurking?
In a game with this many players, I anticipate something of a 4/4/4 split with super active, middling, and lurker. I would need to do a part count (not doing it) to see where we fall, but I would not be surprised to find one scum in each group.
From there you just look at lurkers being most anti town, and as TWM stated lynch the scummiest of them. "Lynch all lurkers" is definitely not a way to win games (although scum have lurked to wins before) but the more active content in a game, the easier for scum to be found
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*post count.
(Making typos and correcting them to inflate my own) (not really, just making typos)
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Instead I want to explore vote: 2.7
What is there to explore? I suppose the possibilities are endless
You know what happens when you suppose?
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Instead I want to explore vote: 2.7
What is there to explore? I suppose the possibilities are endless
You know what happens when you suppose?
No, what?
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Instead I want to explore vote: 2.7
What is there to explore? I suppose the possibilities are endless
You know what happens when you suppose?
No, what?
You say "Sup?" to my posse
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Instead I want to explore vote: 2.7
What is there to explore? I suppose the possibilities are endless
You know what happens when you suppose?
No, what?
You say "Sup?" to my posse
First off - This post.. Hilarious. Using it all the time. Thank you.
Secondly - are we serious? I have been working for two days and I come back and we are still on this lurkers bit? RR needs a prod or something that is for sure. But outside of that the people that have been promoting lynches based on lurking, as well as the lurkers, should be looked into. I know that second bit puts me in the pool.
Faust seems skummy.
Galz seems skummy.
Space seems skummy for having the same opinion as me, because we never agree.
MCMC has the best early game meta I have ever seen so an eye should be kept on him.
TWM seems like Town TWM.
O is weird.
Null on rest.
Someone should make sure RR isn't dead.
Gnight.
vote:Faust
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But outside of that the people that have been promoting lynches based on lurking, as well as the lurkers, should be looked into.
Just to clarify that I have done no such thing.
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Faust is being pestering and playing both sides. I think that means he is probably town?
Ugh.. I appreciate your calm behaviour, in that people getting genuinely angry in-thread isn't nice, but I can pretty much feel a careless shrug in your words there.
Why is inconsistent!faust prob!town for "playing both sides" -- isn't that exactly how scum work to find a likely wagon for a mislynch?
I don't know that I have ever applied this tactic as scum. I know that I don't blindly accept someone having the same rad as me if they're having that read for bad reasons.
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But I am going to try and not let that get me off the rails.
That's kind of disappointing because you are easier to read when you're off the rails!
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But I am going to try and not let that get me off the rails.
That's kind of disappointing because you are easier to read when you're off the rails!
Sorry? But it isn’t very fun. For me or for others.
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But I am going to try and not let that get me off the rails.
That's kind of disappointing because you are easier to read when you're off the rails!
Sorry? But it isn’t very fun. For me or for others.
Well it's probably for the best. But now how am I supposed to read you?
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He said, Oh, son, I saw you get knocked down,
and I ran out I bet your head was spinning.
With that bright pain you stunned,
when you've only just begun to be only just beginning.
(https://youtu.be/d0iSoyw_btI?t=176)
Vote count 1.7
faust (2): gkrieg13, DatSwan
Robz888 (1): IDontPlayThisGame
McMcsalot (1): Galzria
EFHW (2): McMcsalot, SpaceAnemone
IDontPlayThisGame (1): Robz888
The Wine Merchant (2): faust, EFHW
SpaceAnemone (1): 2.71828...
2.71828... (1): The Wine Merchant
not voting (2): Cuzz, O
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, April 9 at 9pm forum time.
Mod Note: Mod is LA in nature today and tomorrow.
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vote: Datswand
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Datswans last post makes me think he is either town with Cuzz or they are one scum/one town. Just not both scum on the same team to forget that RR was replaced
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I will be home at 9pmft tonight and will be catching up then.
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unvote. Embarrassed to admit I conflated posts by e and Galzria. Galzria didn't claim to have ignored the setup, which was part of my "scumread".
A very townie admission I think.
vote: Robz. He has to know I am perfectly capable of making that same admission as scum.
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Okay.
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The day is actually drawing very quickly to an end. We need a real wagon. Willing to listen to cases that I like
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vote: Efhw
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Vote: Datswan
Wagons need to happen and I don't like EFHW, Robz, or TWM to lynch today
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vote: Efhw
why?
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Vote: Datswan
Wagons need to happen and I don't like EFHW, Robz, or TWM to lynch today
What is it that makes you think EFHW is townie? She herself admitted that her "confusion" thing isn't something that should garner townpoints. Is there something else?
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I don’t like the EFHW wagon. DatSwan would be an okay lynch, but I prefer IDPTG.
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I'm going to be slightly VLA tomorrow, but hopefully by the time I'm back everyone should have said enough to make thorough re-reads useful. I've just got my vote-counter up and running for this game, so here are the post counts since the game started, in case anyone's curious on the back of what e was saying:
Cuzz: 3.
DatSwan: 8.
IDontPlayThisGame: 13.
SpaceAnemone: 13.
EFHW: 15.
Galzria: 17.
O: 18.
Robz888: 18.
mcmcsalot: 18.
gkrieg13: 22.
The_Wine_Merchant: 34.
2.71828.....: 37.
faust: 44.
That seems pretty much right for most people, though I feel surprised that gkrieg's been that present, and that I haven't posted more than EFHW.
PPE: Robz has posted once more since I ran the count...
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vote: Efhw
why?
You were a wagon I liked. To pull an Awaclus question that I think has validity at times, why shouldn't I vote for you?
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Cuzz: 3.
DatSwan: 8.
IDontPlayThisGame: 13.
SpaceAnemone: 13.
EFHW: 15.
Arbitrary cut at 15, because if I include Galz at 17 then have to include the 3 18s and then we are into half the players so not lurkers.
Cuzz --- replaced in, but hasn't really done anything. Would lynch, but am not excited about in that I think that he has mafia would put in a bunch of fluff posts to counter act something exactly like this.
DatSwan --- Has focused mostly on other lurkers. Is annoyed that we are looking at lurkers. I don't exactly understand why we shouldn't exactly look at them. Says that lurkers should be looked at, but also those pushing lurkers and then gives a read of players in that category, falling on faust for ???. Maybe more weird than scummy.
IDPTG --- has exclusively talked about lurkers and himself as a lurker and meta about lurkers. I was surprised by that as I thought he had done more. Would lynch.
Space --- I don't know if I have ever played against a scum space. Honestly I don't really know what to even look for. I too was surprised to find them on the lower end of posting because their posts are some that I actually remembered reading. So cautiously townie here.
EFHW --- already voting there. Doesn't feel like a lurker as posts are there and consistent. Not all of us can be the most common poster. Still don't love their votes on me or Galz. Also somewhat more aware of mcmc than anyone else.
vote: IDTPG not so much for lurking but for only talking about lurking and being very concerned about a lurker lynch but not providing an alternative.
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I don’t like the EFHW wagon. DatSwan would be an okay lynch, but I prefer IDPTG.
I am catching up now so if you have already answered this feel free to ignore - I will get to it. Why am I an OK lynch? I feel like you think I am skum in every game we play lol
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But outside of that the people that have been promoting lynches based on lurking, as well as the lurkers, should be looked into.
Just to clarify that I have done no such thing.
Right - that is totally fair actually. Two separate points.
Point 1 - people that have been promoting lynches based on lurking, as well as the lurkers, should be looked into.
Point 2 - I think you are skum this game.
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vote: Datswand
I mean I think it will count, but you should probably spell check and re post to be sure. Weird no one else pointed this out...
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The day is actually drawing very quickly to an end. We need a real wagon. Willing to listen to cases that I like
Faust and Galz are normally both far more aggressive when aligned with Town.
Robz saying I am an ok lynch after only nonsense reasons have been posted is skummy. I get that you are the one posting those nonsense reasons, but as I don't think you are skum I am going to hope you are aware of that.
I'll get back to you if I find more.
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Cuzz: 3.
DatSwan: 8.
IDontPlayThisGame: 13.
SpaceAnemone: 13.
EFHW: 15.
Arbitrary cut at 15, because if I include Galz at 17 then have to include the 3 18s and then we are into half the players so not lurkers.
Cuzz --- replaced in, but hasn't really done anything. Would lynch, but am not excited about in that I think that he has mafia would put in a bunch of fluff posts to counter act something exactly like this.
DatSwan --- Has focused mostly on other lurkers. Is annoyed that we are looking at lurkers. I don't exactly understand why we shouldn't exactly look at them. Says that lurkers should be looked at, but also those pushing lurkers and then gives a read of players in that category, falling on faust for ???. Maybe more weird than scummy.
IDPTG --- has exclusively talked about lurkers and himself as a lurker and meta about lurkers. I was surprised by that as I thought he had done more. Would lynch.
Space --- I don't know if I have ever played against a scum space. Honestly I don't really know what to even look for. I too was surprised to find them on the lower end of posting because their posts are some that I actually remembered reading. So cautiously townie here.
EFHW --- already voting there. Doesn't feel like a lurker as posts are there and consistent. Not all of us can be the most common poster. Still don't love their votes on me or Galz. Also somewhat more aware of mcmc than anyone else.
vote: IDTPG not so much for lurking but for only talking about lurking and being very concerned about a lurker lynch but not providing an alternative.
So my concept is "weird" yet you feel the need to cut a list based on post counts that iso's people you consider to be lurking?
That sir, is weird.
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Datswans last post makes me think he is either town with Cuzz or they are one scum/one town. Just not both scum on the same team to forget that RR was replaced
literally had no idea RR was replaced. I mean whatever, choose to believe it or not, but yeah just oblivious on my part.
Also, Town/Town for forgetting makes sense. And so does, I guess Town/Skum - where Cuzz is skum (I am not saying I think he is, more of a "anything is possible"), but like... in what world does Skum!Anyone screw up a reads list by not posting a result on a Town Player?
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Cuzz: 3.
DatSwan: 8.
IDontPlayThisGame: 13.
SpaceAnemone: 13.
EFHW: 15.
Arbitrary cut at 15, because if I include Galz at 17 then have to include the 3 18s and then we are into half the players so not lurkers.
Cuzz --- replaced in, but hasn't really done anything. Would lynch, but am not excited about in that I think that he has mafia would put in a bunch of fluff posts to counter act something exactly like this.
DatSwan --- Has focused mostly on other lurkers. Is annoyed that we are looking at lurkers. I don't exactly understand why we shouldn't exactly look at them. Says that lurkers should be looked at, but also those pushing lurkers and then gives a read of players in that category, falling on faust for ???. Maybe more weird than scummy.
IDPTG --- has exclusively talked about lurkers and himself as a lurker and meta about lurkers. I was surprised by that as I thought he had done more. Would lynch.
Space --- I don't know if I have ever played against a scum space. Honestly I don't really know what to even look for. I too was surprised to find them on the lower end of posting because their posts are some that I actually remembered reading. So cautiously townie here.
EFHW --- already voting there. Doesn't feel like a lurker as posts are there and consistent. Not all of us can be the most common poster. Still don't love their votes on me or Galz. Also somewhat more aware of mcmc than anyone else.
vote: IDTPG not so much for lurking but for only talking about lurking and being very concerned about a lurker lynch but not providing an alternative.
So my concept is "weird" yet you feel the need to cut a list based on post counts that iso's people you consider to be lurking?
That sir, is weird.
Is it? I wasn’t limiting myself to voting a lurker. But instead looking specifically at them.
If none of them were scummy I would not have voted for them.
I already have a decent idea of where I stand on all the other players as they had sufficient posts to asses. The lurkers, not as much
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Cuzz: 3.
DatSwan: 8.
IDontPlayThisGame: 13.
SpaceAnemone: 13.
EFHW: 15.
Arbitrary cut at 15, because if I include Galz at 17 then have to include the 3 18s and then we are into half the players so not lurkers.
Cuzz --- replaced in, but hasn't really done anything. Would lynch, but am not excited about in that I think that he has mafia would put in a bunch of fluff posts to counter act something exactly like this.
DatSwan --- Has focused mostly on other lurkers. Is annoyed that we are looking at lurkers. I don't exactly understand why we shouldn't exactly look at them. Says that lurkers should be looked at, but also those pushing lurkers and then gives a read of players in that category, falling on faust for ???. Maybe more weird than scummy.
IDPTG --- has exclusively talked about lurkers and himself as a lurker and meta about lurkers. I was surprised by that as I thought he had done more. Would lynch.
Space --- I don't know if I have ever played against a scum space. Honestly I don't really know what to even look for. I too was surprised to find them on the lower end of posting because their posts are some that I actually remembered reading. So cautiously townie here.
EFHW --- already voting there. Doesn't feel like a lurker as posts are there and consistent. Not all of us can be the most common poster. Still don't love their votes on me or Galz. Also somewhat more aware of mcmc than anyone else.
vote: IDTPG not so much for lurking but for only talking about lurking and being very concerned about a lurker lynch but not providing an alternative.
So my concept is "weird" yet you feel the need to cut a list based on post counts that iso's people you consider to be lurking?
That sir, is weird.
Is it? I wasn’t limiting myself to voting a lurker. But instead looking specifically at them.
If none of them were scummy I would not have voted for them.
I already have a decent idea of where I stand on all the other players as they had sufficient posts to asses. The lurkers, not as much
That is a fair response. I guess I still find it weird that you wouldn't of just originally included all players in the list - but point taken.
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Please excuse me for being concerned that scum have been picking up easy, consequence-free mislynches. I forgot random lynching is the best way to win this game.
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Tossed in the viper pit, all those feelings and fears,
and all that difficult ---- in all those tender years.
There was something in the air; something gathered in the air.
Something singing in the wind.
(https://youtu.be/d0iSoyw_btI?t=191)
Vote count 1.8
faust (1): DatSwan
Robz888 (2): IDontPlayThisGame, EFHW
McMcsalot (1): Galzria
EFHW (2): mcmcsalot, SpaceAnemone
IDontPlayThisGame (2): Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant
The_Wine_Merchant (1): faust
DatSwan (2): gkrieg13, 2.71828...
not voting (2): Cuzz, O
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, April 9 at 9pm forum time. like less than 2 days!!!
mod gnote: I'm Doing One
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vote: Robz
Bad Lynch: Would Lynch: Want to Lynch post feels scummy to me
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vote: Efhw
why?
You were a wagon I liked. To pull an Awaclus question that I think has validity at times, why shouldn't I vote for you?
Then you'll have a chance at lynching scum. If you have a more specific reason I could respond to that more directly.
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vote: Efhw
why?
You were a wagon I liked. To pull an Awaclus question that I think has validity at times, why shouldn't I vote for you?
Then you'll have a chance at lynching scum. If you have a more specific reason I could respond to that more directly.
I realize you changed your vote already. But I wanted to answer.
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vote: Efhw
why?
You were a wagon I liked. To pull an Awaclus question that I think has validity at times, why shouldn't I vote for you?
he could vote for you and still we could lynch skum.
Then you'll have a chance at lynching scum. If you have a more specific reason I could respond to that more directly.
I realize you changed your vote already. But I wanted to answer.
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vote: Efhw
why?
You were a wagon I liked. To pull an Awaclus question that I think has validity at times, why shouldn't I vote for you?
he could vote for you and still we could lynch skum.
Then you'll have a chance at lynching scum. If you have a more specific reason I could respond to that more directly.
I realize you changed your vote already. But I wanted to answer.
i suck. its in bold.
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vote: Efhw
why?
You were a wagon I liked. To pull an Awaclus question that I think has validity at times, why shouldn't I vote for you?
Then you'll have a chance at lynching scum. If you have a more specific reason I could respond to that more directly.
also like... I never do this.. but I feel like all Skum would be sure to say "Then we'll have a chance at lynch skum". A small thing - but still.
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Please excuse me for being concerned that scum have been picking up easy, consequence-free mislynches. I forgot random lynching is the best way to win this game.
So this is totally not the point.. but I mean Day 1 in a 13 player game skum undoubtedly has the upper hand at its purest. Everything for town is based off of reads (because no flips yet) and no town has a way of knowing who the other town players are.
I am by comparison to this crowd, newer to this game... but I kind of assumed this was the whole reason for RVS? Kind of the whole "random chance may actually be equal to or better then informed decisions" at this point in the game because the informed decisions are biased by the bad guys.
Regardless, that is more of just me asking a question I have been meaning to for some time - The important part would be IDP stating "consequence-free mislynches". Bull. If you are Town then you don't know anyone's alignment on Day 1. But Day "x" down the road... these factors come into play. Are you just pretending like that is not a thing? Are you promoting a world in which you believe we actually have a better than break even chance at finding Skum on a regular basis Day 1?
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also - is anyone else willing to get on the Faust (or Galz) train with me?
If not I need some reasons that don't suck for other options.
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vote: IDPTG
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I'm going to be slightly VLA tomorrow, but hopefully by the time I'm back everyone should have said enough to make thorough re-reads useful. I've just got my vote-counter up and running for this game, so here are the post counts since the game started, in case anyone's curious on the back of what e was saying:
Cuzz: 3.
DatSwan: 8.
IDontPlayThisGame: 13.
SpaceAnemone: 13.
EFHW: 15.
Galzria: 17.
O: 18.
Robz888: 18.
mcmcsalot: 18.
gkrieg13: 22.
The_Wine_Merchant: 34.
2.71828.....: 37.
faust: 44.
That seems pretty much right for most people, though I feel surprised that gkrieg's been that present, and that I haven't posted more than EFHW.
PPE: Robz has posted once more since I ran the count...
I haven’t been in a game in what seems to me like forever
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Celebrating, will catch up.
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Vote: IDPTG
I like DatSwan's burst of activity.
Would also like a space lynch but I doubt people will go for that
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This looks promising. Vote: Idplay
Though I am quite confused that e and gkrieg, two people who have previously defended Idplay, are now voting for him. Do you want to give us an explanation of what changed your mind?
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Please excuse me for being concerned that scum have been picking up easy, consequence-free mislynches. I forgot random lynching is the best way to win this game.
So this is totally not the point.. but I mean Day 1 in a 13 player game skum undoubtedly has the upper hand at its purest. Everything for town is based off of reads (because no flips yet) and no town has a way of knowing who the other town players are.
I am by comparison to this crowd, newer to this game... but I kind of assumed this was the whole reason for RVS? Kind of the whole "random chance may actually be equal to or better then informed decisions" at this point in the game because the informed decisions are biased by the bad guys.
Not really... I mean that way we would just have the whole game be RVS. I think that a town that is putting in decent work can achieve above-random chances of lynching a scum. Those chances however will still be a good bit below 50%, so it might feel as though it's not worth it.
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vote: Efhw
why?
You were a wagon I liked. To pull an Awaclus question that I think has validity at times, why shouldn't I vote for you?
Then you'll have a chance at lynching scum. If you have a more specific reason I could respond to that more directly.
also like... I never do this.. but I feel like all Skum would be sure to say "Then we'll have a chance at lynch skum". A small thing - but still.
It was a singular you.
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The day is actually drawing very quickly to an end. We need a real wagon. Willing to listen to cases that I like
Faust and Galz are normally both far more aggressive when aligned with Town.
Robz saying I am an ok lynch after only nonsense reasons have been posted is skummy. I get that you are the one posting those nonsense reasons, but as I don't think you are skum I am going to hope you are aware of that.
I'll get back to you if I find more.
Why don't you think Robz is scum?
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This looks promising. Vote: Idplay
Though I am quite confused that e and gkrieg, two people who have previously defended Idplay, are now voting for him. Do you want to give us an explanation of what changed your mind?
That defense was 3 days ago for me (2 I guess when I switched up my vote) and while other players like Robz and Datswan have posted stuff that make me think they could be town, IDPTG has stagnated in place. And while doing nothing to prove you are town does not mean you are scum, it's as good a place as any to look D1.
So PoE
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I haven't played many games with IDPTG, but my impression is that he gets mislynched all the time for the same things that people are noticing here. Is there something new anyone has pointed to?
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I haven't played many games with IDPTG, but my impression is that he gets mislynched all the time for the same things that people are noticing here. Is there something new anyone has pointed to?
Can you be a bit more precise?
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Was going to say a thing, but I'll wait until faust's question is answered. I've skimmed since my last post and will read it fully later.
PPE: 1
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Was going to say a thing, but I'll wait until faust's question is answered. I've skimmed since my last post and will read it fully later.
PPE: 1
Why not say the thing now? I have always wondered this. If you have something to say, say it. Or are you trying to entrap scum with some uber-special plot based on the answer to one question?
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vote: Robz
Bad Lynch: Would Lynch: Want to Lynch post feels scummy to me
For some reason I can't find this post. Can you point to it?
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I have a soft spot for people who just post what they are thinking, despite if it "looks good" or not.
For example, I commented on Robz' early game vote moves and his response was that he was "provoking people" seemed very honest and townie. I always get the sense that scum would not be so laissez faire about posts like that.
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And then I end up reading all the scum as town....
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I haven't played many games with IDPTG, but my impression is that he gets mislynched all the time for the same things that people are noticing here. Is there something new anyone has pointed to?
Can you be a bit more precise?
This was your initial case on him:
I even have a case:
- Idplay is lurking
- he has not posted any content, instead his posts are only vague criticisms of other people's reads and playstyles, which does not help the game at all
- he's keeping an RVS vote on a major wagon without clarifying whether it's serious now.
You later added dissatisfaction with his lurker arguments. I would add sarcasm to the list. But I don't think anything here is any different from how he usually plays. Scum are always going to focus on the easy mislynches.
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The thing I was going to say before:
EFHW, I don't think we've played together much, so I'll give you a very brief history. I've been lynched twice- once as scum D1 and once as town D1. The only time I've been NK'd was when I was an IC (I'm not counting the Weak Visitor game where scum!gkrieg messed with my targeting to get me killed). People do bring up the things they've brought up here most games though.
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I haven't played many games with IDPTG, but my impression is that he gets mislynched all the time for the same things that people are noticing here. Is there something new anyone has pointed to?
Can you be a bit more precise?
This was your initial case on him:
I even have a case:
- Idplay is lurking
- he has not posted any content, instead his posts are only vague criticisms of other people's reads and playstyles, which does not help the game at all
- he's keeping an RVS vote on a major wagon without clarifying whether it's serious now.
You later added dissatisfaction with his lurker arguments. I would add sarcasm to the list. But I don't think anything here is any different from how he usually plays. Scum are always going to focus on the easy mislynches.
Can you point me to the game where Idplay was mislynched for keeping an RVS vote on a wagon?
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I haven't played many games with IDPTG, but my impression is that he gets mislynched all the time for the same things that people are noticing here. Is there something new anyone has pointed to?
Can you be a bit more precise?
This was your initial case on him:
I even have a case:
- Idplay is lurking
- he has not posted any content, instead his posts are only vague criticisms of other people's reads and playstyles, which does not help the game at all
- he's keeping an RVS vote on a major wagon without clarifying whether it's serious now.
You later added dissatisfaction with his lurker arguments. I would add sarcasm to the list. But I don't think anything here is any different from how he usually plays. Scum are always going to focus on the easy mislynches.
Can you point me to the game where Idplay was mislynched for keeping an RVS vote on a wagon?
Oh look. From the game where I was mislynched (M108, LOST Mafia):
I guess we need to be moving in a different direction with this game.
Also, unvote. Not actually interested in a LaLight wagon at this time.
Vote: Idplay for this convenient jumpoff.
faust voting me because I moved an RVS vote when a LaLight wagon formed. Make up your mind.
I guess we need to be moving in a different direction with this game.
Also, unvote. Not actually interested in a LaLight wagon at this time.
Vote: Idplay for this convenient jumpoff.
Or maybe I don't like it when my RVS vote is on a wagon that's forming.
??? Then why even RVS vote? Wagons are like the only useful thing to come out of that.
Wait, so hold on. I'm supposed to leave my vote when the wagon forms? Wow. This game is confusing. Because you already listed me not moving my vote as part of your case against me.
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And with that, I'm going to focus on my job application and get back to this game later.
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Wait, so hold on. I'm supposed to leave my vote when the wagon forms? Wow. This game is confusing. Because you already listed me not moving my vote as part of your case against me.
You're supposed to participate in the game. I still don't know any of what you think about the game except that you scumread Robz, and that I have only learned after pressuring you.
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That said, vote: gkrieg
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Wait, so hold on. I'm supposed to leave my vote when the wagon forms? Wow. This game is confusing. Because you already listed me not moving my vote as part of your case against me.
You're supposed to participate in the game. I still don't know any of what you think about the game except that you scumread Robz, and that I have only learned after pressuring you.
It is not great town play to leave your RVS vote up once a number of serious votes have been made.
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That said, vote: gkrieg
Faust trying to distract from the IDPTG wagon.
Noted.
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@Robz
Why did you only scrounge up three reads in a Won't Lynch: Could Lynch: Want to Lynch format? isn't that a little too precise?
It feels like scum marking off the check boxes of "reads in each category" and then stopping there because committing more reads is worse as scum than as town.
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That said, vote: gkrieg
Faust trying to distract from the IDPTG wagon.
Noted.
I'm confused. faust has been pushing the idptg wagon. Why would he do that if he wanted to distract from it?
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This looks promising. Vote: Idplay
Though I am quite confused that e and gkrieg, two people who have previously defended Idplay, are now voting for him. Do you want to give us an explanation of what changed your mind?
He sounded a lot scummier in the few posts before my vote. He still sounds scummy in his defense.
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EFHW seems town this game. I feel like I can usually read her pretty well, and I haven't gotten the scummy vibes yet.
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That said, vote: gkrieg
? Are you saying that I'm not participating in the game?
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Wait, so hold on. I'm supposed to leave my vote when the wagon forms? Wow. This game is confusing. Because you already listed me not moving my vote as part of your case against me.
You're supposed to participate in the game. I still don't know any of what you think about the game except that you scumread Robz, and that I have only learned after pressuring you.
It is not great town play to leave your RVS vote up once a number of serious votes have been made.
It also isn't very good scum play though.
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Celebrating, will catch up.
This too :-) It was my birthday today (well, yesterday in my own timezone now, but still today forum time!), and while I've read the thread, I'm too sleepy to go from reading words to forming opinions. I have booked the morning off work to recover from a busy weekend, though!
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The day is actually drawing very quickly to an end. We need a real wagon. Willing to listen to cases that I like
Faust and Galz are normally both far more aggressive when aligned with Town.
Robz saying I am an ok lynch after only nonsense reasons have been posted is skummy. I get that you are the one posting those nonsense reasons, but as I don't think you are skum I am going to hope you are aware of that.
I'll get back to you if I find more.
Why don't you think Robz is scum?
re read post please. States that I find Robz Skummy. Or are you asking why he was separated from the Faust/Galz list?
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Celebrating, will catch up.
This too :-) It was my birthday today (well, yesterday in my own timezone now, but still today forum time!), and while I've read the thread, I'm too sleepy to go from reading words to forming opinions. I have booked the morning off work to recover from a busy weekend, though!
HBD!
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@Robz
Why did you only scrounge up three reads in a Won't Lynch: Could Lynch: Want to Lynch format? isn't that a little too precise?
It feels like scum marking off the check boxes of "reads in each category" and then stopping there because committing more reads is worse as scum than as town.
Those seemed relevant to the current conversation and I didn’t have other thoughts to share. I generally try not to say things unless I actually have something to say. Clutter is anti town.
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Celebrating, will catch up.
This too :-) It was my birthday today (well, yesterday in my own timezone now, but still today forum time!), and while I've read the thread, I'm too sleepy to go from reading words to forming opinions. I have booked the morning off work to recover from a busy weekend, though!
Happy Birthday Space!
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Celebrating, will catch up.
This too :-) It was my birthday today (well, yesterday in my own timezone now, but still today forum time!), and while I've read the thread, I'm too sleepy to go from reading words to forming opinions. I have booked the morning off work to recover from a busy weekend, though!
Happy Birthday Space!
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The day is actually drawing very quickly to an end. We need a real wagon. Willing to listen to cases that I like
Faust and Galz are normally both far more aggressive when aligned with Town.
Robz saying I am an ok lynch after only nonsense reasons have been posted is skummy. I get that you are the one posting those nonsense reasons, but as I don't think you are skum I am going to hope you are aware of that.
I'll get back to you if I find more.
Why don't you think Robz is scum?
re read post please. States that I find Robz Skummy. Or are you asking why he was separated from the Faust/Galz list?
Oh, I see, the "you" was e.
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Oh, I'll be your fighter and you'll be my mirror.
And you'll be all right because I'll be right here.
Oh kid, now I'm not going anywhere.
I swear I'll try to not be going anywhere.
(https://youtu.be/d0iSoyw_btI?t=205)
Vote count 1.9
faust (1): DatSwan
Robz888 (3): IDontPlayThisGame, EFHW, O
McMcsalot (1): Galzria
EFHW (2): mcmcsalot, SpaceAnemone
IDontPlayThisGame (4): Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant, 2.71828..., gkrieg13
gkrieg13 (1): faust
not voting (1): Cuzz
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, April 9 at 9pm forum time. 23 hr!!!!
mod gnote: It's Me Again
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@Robz
Why did you only scrounge up three reads in a Won't Lynch: Could Lynch: Want to Lynch format? isn't that a little too precise?
It feels like scum marking off the check boxes of "reads in each category" and then stopping there because committing more reads is worse as scum than as town.
Those seemed relevant to the current conversation and I didn’t have other thoughts to share. I generally try not to say things unless I actually have something to say. Clutter is anti town.
Seems townish from Robz, and I completely disagree with Os last part of his post. Not sure if that’s scummy from O though.
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That said, vote: gkrieg
I don't think this vote was counted.
I also don't see the purpose of it at this point in the game.
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Oh, I'll be your fighter and you'll be my mirror.
And you'll be all right because I'll be right here.
Oh kid, now I'm not going anywhere.
I swear I'll try to not be going anywhere.
(https://youtu.be/d0iSoyw_btI?t=205)
Vote count 1.9.Oups
faust (1): DatSwan
Robz888 (3): IDontPlayThisGame, EFHW, O
McMcsalot (1): Galzria
EFHW (2): mcmcsalot, SpaceAnemone
IDontPlayThisGame (4): Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant, 2.71828..., gkrieg13
gkrieg13 (1): faust
not voting (1): Cuzz
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, April 9 at 9pm forum time. 22 hr!!!!
mod gnote: Oups
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I think right now I'm on the edge with Galzria, TWM, and Datswan. As in, I think they are scummy, in that I don't think they have done anything townie.
But Idplay has?
I thought his defense was townie in that he tried to defend himself, instead of just fading into the background.
This is where gkrieg thinks Idplay is town. Then apparently Idplay posts scummy things, and gkrieg changes his mind. These are the posts in question:
I am seriously confused by the amount of defense Idplay is getting for showing the tiniest amount of work. But some of those defending him have to be town... I don't get at all how you could feel so strongly about Idplay.
I saw Gkrieg's one, which basically echos what I think, which is that IDP is freakily invisible because of the lack of avatar.
Is my lack of avatar really that big of a deal? You can just say you don't remember me. I won't be insulted.
Please excuse me for being concerned that scum have been picking up easy, consequence-free mislynches. I forgot random lynching is the best way to win this game.
I get the rabbit hole this goes down, but can we please either acknowledge that lurker lynches are more policy driven than success driven or make an argument that scum has been lurking?
gkrieg, can you elaborate on how they are scummy?
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That said, vote: gkrieg
Faust trying to distract from the IDPTG wagon.
Noted.
Yes I am. I think Idplay has been townie recently, so I'm not too interested in that lynch anymore.
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No real wagons at this poin means skum is comfy. I am removing cuzz from the equation for now bc no content.
Single vote candidates should present a list of players that create a good skum Pool: that would be Faust, Galz, mcmc, and space.
I want to lynch here - anyone else feeling that vibe?
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also this is how skum!galz would play this in a situation where there are a lot of town wagons. They would disappear. I have played games with him where they randomly claim Vt (twice) games where they call out over confident players (normally ends up being Faust but whatever that point aside), games where they fake claim PRs. All of which are Town flips.
Let’s take a good chance on this one and lynch Galz. Is anyone on board with that?
Vote: Galz
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Single vote candidates should present a list of players that create a good skum Pool: that would be Faust, Galz, mcmc, and space.
Here is a list of players that would make decent lynches:
gkrieg, e, EFHW, Space, Cuzz
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Single vote candidates should present a list of players that create a good skum Pool: that would be Faust, Galz, mcmc, and space.
Here is a list of players that would make decent lynches:
gkrieg, e, EFHW, Space, Cuzz
I forgot the reason why I don't want to lynch EFHW. She still rubs me the wrong way, and she has more than one vote, so I guess I'm keeping her in this pool.
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Let’s take a good chance on this one and lynch Galz. Is anyone on board with that?
Vote: Galz
I still think
Galzria is a terrible lynch.
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Let’s take a good chance on this one and lynch Galz. Is anyone on board with that?
Vote: Galz
I still think
Galzria is a terrible lynch.
Why?
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Also why is cuzz on your list? What is it they said that is skummy to you
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EFHW - other than your current - who is skummy to you?
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Also why is cuzz on your list? What is it they said that is skummy to you
He hasn't done anything townie, and there is more pressure to replace an absent scum than an absent town.
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Let’s take a good chance on this one and lynch Galz. Is anyone on board with that?
Vote: Galz
I still think
Galzria is a terrible lynch.
Why?
Because he's a strong player that for some reason still usually gets a lot of heat on early days. It is the dream mislynch for scum. I would much rather evaluate Galzria's play in 2 days time if he's still alive by then.
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EFHW - other than your current - who is skummy to you?
I have an actual basis for my suspicion of Robz. Anyone else is guesswork, but I'd say e, gkrieg, mcmc?
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No real wagons at this poin means skum is comfy. I am removing cuzz from the equation for now bc no content.
Single vote candidates should present a list of players that create a good skum Pool: that would be Faust, Galz, mcmc, and space.
I want to lynch here - anyone else feeling that vibe?
I don't agree with this reasoning. Town needs to start consolidating votes, but I don't think people with just one vote are more likely to be scum.
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Single vote candidates should present a list of players that create a good skum Pool: that would be Faust, Galz, mcmc, and space.
Here is a list of players that would make decent lynches:
gkrieg, e, EFHW, Space, Cuzz
I forgot the reason why I don't want to lynch EFHW. She still rubs me the wrong way, and she has more than one vote, so I guess I'm keeping her in this pool.
Because I conflated e and Galzria.
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Though it's not all right. It is so far from all right.
We'll make it into a choice somehow.
I don't know how, but you'll have a choice somehow.
(https://youtu.be/d0iSoyw_btI?t=223)
Vote count 1.10
Robz888 (3): IDontPlayThisGame, EFHW, O
McMcsalot (1): Galzria
EFHW (2): mcmcsalot, SpaceAnemone
IDontPlayThisGame (4): Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant, gkrieg13, 2.71828...
gkrieg13 (1): faust
Galzria (1): DatSwan
not voting (2): Cuzz
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, April 9 at 9pm forum time. That is 12 hours and ~15 minutes from now.
mod note: added song lyrics to the last 5 vote counts. Which means all the best lyrics are up that way ^
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EFHW - other than your current - who is skummy to you?
I have an actual basis for my suspicion of Robz. Anyone else is guesswork, but I'd say e, gkrieg, mcmc?
vote: 2.7
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Can you fix vote count 1.9? gkrieg should be voting IDPTG. Thanks.
I did change it. If there's any other mistakes somewhere let me know!
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Can you fix vote count 1.9? gkrieg should be voting IDPTG. Thanks.
I see it was fixed later, but it's less confusing to have the official vote count be correct.
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EFHW - other than your current - who is skummy to you?
I have an actual basis for my suspicion of Robz. Anyone else is guesswork, but I'd say e, gkrieg, mcmc?
vote: 2.7
So... what's up with
That said, vote: gkrieg
I don't think this vote was counted.
I also don't see the purpose of it at this point in the game.
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I had not seen anyone express any interest in gkrieg lynch.
Multiple people have said 2.7 but no one had started it.
Feel the two situations are different.
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So why should I vote for e?
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I had not seen anyone express any interest in gkrieg lynch.
Multiple people have said 2.7 but no one had started it.
Feel the two situations are different.
You mean that you have said it multiple times, not multiple people
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Can you fix vote count 1.9? gkrieg should be voting IDPTG. Thanks.
I did change it. If there's any other mistakes somewhere let me know!
Meant to quote this, not modify it. I'm not schadd, just clumsy
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I had not seen anyone express any interest in gkrieg lynch.
Multiple people have said 2.7 but no one had started it.
Feel the two situations are different.
faust and I both said gkrieg and e.
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Can you fix vote count 1.9? gkrieg should be voting IDPTG. Thanks.
I did change it. If there's any other mistakes somewhere let me know!
Meant to quote this, not modify it. I'm not schadd, just clumsy
I think it is still wrong. faust should be voting gkrieg and gkrieg should be voting IDPTG.
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I had not seen anyone express any interest in gkrieg lynch.
Multiple people have said 2.7 but no one had started it.
Feel the two situations are different.
faust and I both said gkrieg and e.
In passing in a list of potential D1 lynches. You were never like, "let's lynch e" directly as TWM has done twice now
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So let's talk gkrieg. He's provided the first reason to suspect him himself:
Hey mcmc this game has been going for half a day already: more than enough time for you to tell us if gkrieg is scum.
Is he?
Also after the Space Alert game, I decided that I was going to take a long break, but couldn't stay away. I would've been much less keen to play this game as scum, and would be lurking a lot harder.
Now gkrieg isn't exactly lurking, but there certainly is a lack of effort. Most of his posts are one-liners without much substance. It feels like he is artificially keeping his activity level up.
We also have this:
Faust is being pestering and playing both sides. I think that means he is probably town?
Ugh.. I appreciate your calm behaviour, in that people getting genuinely angry in-thread isn't nice, but I can pretty much feel a careless shrug in your words there.
Why is inconsistent!faust prob!town for "playing both sides" -- isn't that exactly how scum work to find a likely wagon for a mislynch?
I agree with Space here. vote: faust
Although I would much rather lynch a lurker than faust D1.
So he would rather lynch someone else, but still votes for me?
And this:
I think right now I'm on the edge with Galzria, TWM, and Datswan. As in, I think they are scummy, in that I don't think they have done anything townie.
But Idplay has?
I thought his defense was townie in that he tried to defend himself, instead of just fading into the background.
This looks promising. Vote: Idplay
Though I am quite confused that e and gkrieg, two people who have previously defended Idplay, are now voting for him. Do you want to give us an explanation of what changed your mind?
He sounded a lot scummier in the few posts before my vote. He still sounds scummy in his defense.
First the defense is townie, then it is scummy.
Now contradictions aren't necessarily scummy, but they indicate a lack of involvement in the game. Which again fits the theory that scum!gkrieg would not be very motivated for this game.
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Let’s take a good chance on this one and lynch Galz. Is anyone on board with that?
Vote: Galz
I still think
Galzria is a terrible lynch.
Why?
Because he's a strong player that for some reason still usually gets a lot of heat on early days. It is the dream mislynch for scum. I would much rather evaluate Galzria's play in 2 days time if he's still alive by then.
Does this not apply at all to me?
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Let’s take a good chance on this one and lynch Galz. Is anyone on board with that?
Vote: Galz
I still think
Galzria is a terrible lynch.
Why?
Because he's a strong player that for some reason still usually gets a lot of heat on early days. It is the dream mislynch for scum. I would much rather evaluate Galzria's play in 2 days time if he's still alive by then.
Does this not apply at all to me?
Well for me personally you just don't look as scary. It's entirely possible that that's just my bias because Galrzia was here way before I started and I still remember your first games.
Also I don't feel like you are a particularly popular target for D1 wagons. Am I wrong?
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Can you fix vote count 1.9? gkrieg should be voting IDPTG. Thanks.
I did change it. If there's any other mistakes somewhere let me know!
Meant to quote this, not modify it. I'm not schadd, just clumsy
I think it is still wrong. faust should be voting gkrieg and gkrieg should be voting IDPTG.
This probably isn't going to be a popular thing to say, but I suspect scum is more likely to point out vote counter corrections.
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Can you fix vote count 1.9? gkrieg should be voting IDPTG. Thanks.
I did change it. If there's any other mistakes somewhere let me know!
Meant to quote this, not modify it. I'm not schadd, just clumsy
I think it is still wrong. faust should be voting gkrieg and gkrieg should be voting IDPTG.
This probably isn't going to be a popular thing to say, but I suspect scum is more likely to point out vote counter corrections.
Dunno. I have been scum worried about that kind of thing and in order to not look suspicious for correcting the vote count on a partner I have pointed it out in my QT.
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Can you fix vote count 1.9? gkrieg should be voting IDPTG. Thanks.
I did change it. If there's any other mistakes somewhere let me know!
Meant to quote this, not modify it. I'm not schadd, just clumsy
I think it is still wrong. faust should be voting gkrieg and gkrieg should be voting IDPTG.
Fixed, sorry. I saw 1.9.Oups but not 1.9 when I was going through.
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I had not seen anyone express any interest in gkrieg lynch.
Multiple people have said 2.7 but no one had started it.
Feel the two situations are different.
faust and I both said gkrieg and e.
In passing in a list of potential D1 lynches. You were never like, "let's lynch e" directly as TWM has done twice now
What I mean is that his reasons for choosing you also apply to gkrieg. More, since faust had actually voted gkrieg.
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I had not seen anyone express any interest in gkrieg lynch.
Multiple people have said 2.7 but no one had started it.
Feel the two situations are different.
Why not Robz?
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So let's talk gkrieg. He's provided the first reason to suspect him himself:
Hey mcmc this game has been going for half a day already: more than enough time for you to tell us if gkrieg is scum.
Is he?
Also after the Space Alert game, I decided that I was going to take a long break, but couldn't stay away. I would've been much less keen to play this game as scum, and would be lurking a lot harder.
Now gkrieg isn't exactly lurking, but there certainly is a lack of effort. Most of his posts are one-liners without much substance. It feels like he is artificially keeping his activity level up.
We also have this:
Faust is being pestering and playing both sides. I think that means he is probably town?
Ugh.. I appreciate your calm behaviour, in that people getting genuinely angry in-thread isn't nice, but I can pretty much feel a careless shrug in your words there.
Why is inconsistent!faust prob!town for "playing both sides" -- isn't that exactly how scum work to find a likely wagon for a mislynch?
I agree with Space here. vote: faust
Although I would much rather lynch a lurker than faust D1.
So he would rather lynch someone else, but still votes for me?
And this:
I think right now I'm on the edge with Galzria, TWM, and Datswan. As in, I think they are scummy, in that I don't think they have done anything townie.
But Idplay has?
I thought his defense was townie in that he tried to defend himself, instead of just fading into the background.
This looks promising. Vote: Idplay
Though I am quite confused that e and gkrieg, two people who have previously defended Idplay, are now voting for him. Do you want to give us an explanation of what changed your mind?
He sounded a lot scummier in the few posts before my vote. He still sounds scummy in his defense.
First the defense is townie, then it is scummy.
Now contradictions aren't necessarily scummy, but they indicate a lack of involvement in the game. Which again fits the theory that scum!gkrieg would not be very motivated for this game.
I wouldn't say that I've been lurking, or "not putting much effort" into this game at all. Having short posts doesn't at all mean that I'm not putting much effort into this game.
I thought IDPTG's first defense was townie, but then he wasn't giving a townie defense of himself in the second part of his post. Are you saying that I'm scummy for changing my mind?
I think you (faust) have been scummy today. I would rather lynch someone else D1 (as you have also pointed out that you want to lynch a lurker), because I think I will be able to tell in later days if you are scum or not. That is why I would rather lynch someone else, even when I was voting for you.
You are treating my posts like they all happened at one point in time. It is clear if you actually go over the stuff in context that I thought that IDPTG had a townie defense, then time went on, he posted some more stuff, and I didn't think he was townie anymore. You are trying to find inconsistencies where there aren't any. This case is legitimately bad and very misleading as to what I've actually done this game so far.
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Let’s take a good chance on this one and lynch Galz. Is anyone on board with that?
Vote: Galz
I still think
Galzria is a terrible lynch.
Why?
Because he's a strong player that for some reason still usually gets a lot of heat on early days. It is the dream mislynch for scum. I would much rather evaluate Galzria's play in 2 days time if he's still alive by then.
Does this not apply at all to me?
Well for me personally you just don't look as scary. It's entirely possible that that's just my bias because Galrzia was here way before I started and I still remember your first games.
Also I don't feel like you are a particularly popular target for D1 wagons. Am I wrong?
I pretty consistently get D1 wagons.
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Let’s take a good chance on this one and lynch Galz. Is anyone on board with that?
Vote: Galz
I still think
Galzria is a terrible lynch.
Why?
Because he's a strong player that for some reason still usually gets a lot of heat on early days. It is the dream mislynch for scum. I would much rather evaluate Galzria's play in 2 days time if he's still alive by then.
Does this not apply at all to me?
Well for me personally you just don't look as scary. It's entirely possible that that's just my bias because Galrzia was here way before I started and I still remember your first games.
Also I don't feel like you are a particularly popular target for D1 wagons. Am I wrong?
I pretty consistently get D1 wagons.
But also you don't think I'm a good mislynch for scum D1? It is pretty well-known that I shine a lot more in later days than I do D1.
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I thought IDPTG's first defense was townie, but then he wasn't giving a townie defense of himself in the second part of his post. Are you saying that I'm scummy for changing my mind?
Idplay has not defended himself in between the post where you called him scummy townie and the post where you voted for him, so what are you talking about?
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EBWOP
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Gkrieg is an incredibly popular Day 1 lynch. We should wait to consider lynching him in part because mcmc is a freaking expert at eventually telling us whether gkrieg is scum.
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I thought IDPTG's first defense was townie, but then he wasn't giving a townie defense of himself in the second part of his post. Are you saying that I'm scummy for changing my mind?
Idplay has not defended himself in between the post where you called him scummy townie and the post where you voted for him, so what are you talking about?
EBWOP
Please excuse me for being concerned that scum have been picking up easy, consequence-free mislynches. I forgot random lynching is the best way to win this game.
He posted this, which I thought was scummy, and is defending himself. He has two other posts between this and when I thought he was townie, that I also thought were scummy. He is being hyperdefensive in a scummy way.
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Gkrieg is an incredibly popular Day 1 lynch. We should wait to consider lynching him in part because mcmc is a freaking expert at eventually telling us whether gkrieg is scum.
I feel like you are trying to pre-frame me for when mcmc dies tonight.
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Gkrieg is an incredibly popular Day 1 lynch. We should wait to consider lynching him in part because mcmc is a freaking expert at eventually telling us whether gkrieg is scum.
I feel like you are trying to pre-frame me for when mcmc dies tonight.
Mwahahaha.
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So, 6.5 hours to lynch.
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So why should I vote for e?
To pull an awaclus again, why shouldn't you vote for e?
But to actually answer your question:
The first thing that made me want to vote for him was #264 for his O vote and his comment about Robz. Which made me look at him more and realize that I hadn't really remembered anything from him and am having a hard time keeping track of him.
After that I thought his response to my vote was interesting. I didn't provide reasons, and still haven't until now. But he has never been interested in why. I feel like town wants to know why but scum often just ignores it passively and hopes the reasons don't get brought up.
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I had not seen anyone express any interest in gkrieg lynch.
Multiple people have said 2.7 but no one had started it.
Feel the two situations are different.
Why not Robz?
Why are you specifically asking about Robz? I haven't been interested in a Robz lynch and seen only passing interest from others. I am not going to create a wagon on someone that I don't want to vote for.
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I had not seen anyone express any interest in gkrieg lynch.
Multiple people have said 2.7 but no one had started it.
Feel the two situations are different.
faust and I both said gkrieg and e.
In passing in a list of potential D1 lynches. You were never like, "let's lynch e" directly as TWM has done twice now
What I mean is that his reasons for choosing you also apply to gkrieg. More, since faust had actually voted gkrieg.
No they don't. I have had previous suspicion of 2.7. Not of gkrieg or Robz.
I voted for 2.7 because interest expressed by others coupled with my own previous suspicions. But no one appears to want to join me here? Even those who said they would consider it?
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Gkrieg is an incredibly popular Day 1 lynch. We should wait to consider lynching him in part because mcmc is a freaking expert at eventually telling us whether gkrieg is scum.
And we should trust mcmc because?
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And vote: IDPTG but I should be back again in a few and then back again before deadline.
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Request prod on Galzria
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I don't like any of our waons. Can we please start some other wagon? It doesn't have to be gkrieg; I'm flexible. But I'm not around for much longer.
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I don't like any of our waons. Can we please start some other wagon? It doesn't have to be gkrieg; I'm flexible. But I'm not around for much longer.
I could lynch space if that interests you.
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I don't like any of our waons. Can we please start some other wagon? It doesn't have to be gkrieg; I'm flexible. But I'm not around for much longer.
Want to address anything that I said above?
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I don't like any of our waons. Can we please start some other wagon? It doesn't have to be gkrieg; I'm flexible. But I'm not around for much longer.
Want to address anything that I said above?
Well you're right and I'm not particularly interested in your lynch anymore.
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I don't like any of our waons. Can we please start some other wagon? It doesn't have to be gkrieg; I'm flexible. But I'm not around for much longer.
I could lynch space if that interests you.
Can do.
Vote: Space
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Request prod on Galzria
I'm here, and will be until deadline. Monday's are good deadline days for me. I'll start to have some thoughts out there soon.
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Request prod on Galzria
I'm here, and will be until deadline. Monday's are good deadline days for me. I'll start to have some thoughts out there soon.
Well I'm afraid I can't do anything with them anymore because I will go to bed now.
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Vote: Space
I will be around until the deadline and will assist with a suboptimal lynch if required.
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I don't like any of our waons. Can we please start some other wagon? It doesn't have to be gkrieg; I'm flexible. But I'm not around for much longer.
I don't like any of our waons. Can we please start some other wagon? It doesn't have to be gkrieg; I'm flexible. But I'm not around for much longer.
Want to address anything that I said above?
Well you're right and I'm not particularly interested in your lynch anymore.
These are the weirdest quotes from faust. It shows that he either isn't interested in my posts, or skipped over them on accident. The first would be scummy because he is putting out a case on me that I refute, and he doesn't even care what I have to say, which is weird from anyone, but especially from him. The second obviously happens.
It is very strange behavior from faust, seeing as he is generally very rational, and how much he was behind my wagon until no one joined him.
He is also choosing to park his vote on a wagon that is unlikely to go through, right before the deadline. He is essentially voting no lynch, which is super scummy. Especially considering he was one of the early people on the IDPTG wagon.
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Also I just hit 100 days logged in to this site....
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I don't like any of our waons. Can we please start some other wagon? It doesn't have to be gkrieg; I'm flexible. But I'm not around for much longer.
I don't like any of our waons. Can we please start some other wagon? It doesn't have to be gkrieg; I'm flexible. But I'm not around for much longer.
Want to address anything that I said above?
Well you're right and I'm not particularly interested in your lynch anymore.
These are the weirdest quotes from faust. It shows that he either isn't interested in my posts, or skipped over them on accident. The first would be scummy because he is putting out a case on me that I refute, and he doesn't even care what I have to say, which is weird from anyone, but especially from him. The second obviously happens.
It is very strange behavior from faust, seeing as he is generally very rational, and how much he was behind my wagon until no one joined him.
He is also choosing to park his vote on a wagon that is unlikely to go through, right before the deadline. He is essentially voting no lynch, which is super scummy. Especially considering he was one of the early people on the IDPTG wagon.
You thought you could start your smear campaign now that I'm gone, but I am still here. Ha! I am limited on time, so sorry for not responding in my usual slpendor. I am not scummy for Idplay, I have stated repeatedly that I think he's townie now.
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No real wagons at this poin means skum is comfy. I am removing cuzz from the equation for now bc no content.
Single vote candidates should present a list of players that create a good skum Pool: that would be Faust, Galz, mcmc, and space.
I want to lynch here - anyone else feeling that vibe?
I don't agree with this reasoning. Town needs to start consolidating votes, but I don't think people with just one vote are more likely to be scum.
Starting here:
Datswan is absolutely wrong. Spread votes with no dominating wagons is horrible for scum as they have no sense of how best to control the town and thus are much less able dictate (and thus most likely to become) the end of day vote. Scum, when lynched D1, is almost always the result of a scramble to consensus, and never because they've been accumulating votes throughout the day.
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Though it's not all right. It is so far from all right.
We'll make it into a choice somehow.
I don't know how, but you'll have a choice somehow.
(https://youtu.be/d0iSoyw_btI?t=223)
Vote count 1.10
Robz888 (3): IDontPlayThisGame, EFHW, O
McMcsalot (1): Galzria
EFHW (2): mcmcsalot, SpaceAnemone
IDontPlayThisGame (4): Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant, gkrieg13, 2.71828...
gkrieg13 (1): faust
Galzria (1): DatSwan
not voting (2): Cuzz
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, April 9 at 9pm forum time. That is 12 hours and ~15 minutes from now.
mod note: added song lyrics to the last 5 vote counts. Which means all the best lyrics are up that way ^
My last point is important because I believe will be the ones fretting most about consolidation at this point. Looking at the above vote count (I'll get to actual posts in a bit) I'm very much inclined to look away from IDPTG & Robz today, and instead look heavily at: EFHW, TWM, O, e & Gkrieg.
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Though it's not all right. It is so far from all right.
We'll make it into a choice somehow.
I don't know how, but you'll have a choice somehow.
(https://youtu.be/d0iSoyw_btI?t=223)
Vote count 1.10
Robz888 (3): IDontPlayThisGame, EFHW, O
McMcsalot (1): Galzria
EFHW (2): mcmcsalot, SpaceAnemone
IDontPlayThisGame (4): Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant, gkrieg13, 2.71828...
gkrieg13 (1): faust
Galzria (1): DatSwan
not voting (2): Cuzz
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, April 9 at 9pm forum time. That is 12 hours and ~15 minutes from now.
mod note: added song lyrics to the last 5 vote counts. Which means all the best lyrics are up that way ^
My last point is important because I believe will be the ones fretting most about consolidation at this point. Looking at the above vote count (I'll get to actual posts in a bit) I'm very much inclined to look away from IDPTG & Robz today, and instead look heavily at: EFHW, TWM, O, e & Gkrieg.
***believe scum will be***
Phone posting, sorry.
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I am caught up.
Won't Lynch: TWM, IDP, Gkrieg, Faust, Datswan, Robz
Null: Galzria, 2.7, Cuzz, Space
Want to lynch: EFHW, O
Nothing has really happened to lessen my early scumread of EFHW, and the fact that the wagon has risen and fallen the way is has makes me happy.
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O is sort of an appealing lynch, if for no other reason than O is always scum.
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I am caught up.
Won't Lynch: TWM, IDP, Gkrieg, Faust, Datswan, Robz
Null: Galzria, 2.7, Cuzz, Space
Want to lynch: EFHW, O
Nothing has really happened to lessen my early scumread of EFHW, and the fact that the wagon has risen and fallen the way is has makes me happy.
Null? That's it? I would prefer to lynch O over EFHW from your reads
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I don't like any of our waons. Can we please start some other wagon? It doesn't have to be gkrieg; I'm flexible. But I'm not around for much longer.
Where were you when I was voting 2.7?
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Back and reading again. I made a bunch of notes this morning on Robz, IDP and mcmc, but didn't get a chance to post anything before my visitor turned up for the day. I'll re-read everyone else as quickly as I can now.
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Though it's not all right. It is so far from all right.
We'll make it into a choice somehow.
I don't know how, but you'll have a choice somehow.
(https://youtu.be/d0iSoyw_btI?t=223)
Vote count 1.10
Robz888 (3): IDontPlayThisGame, EFHW, O
McMcsalot (1): Galzria
EFHW (2): mcmcsalot, SpaceAnemone
IDontPlayThisGame (4): Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant, gkrieg13, 2.71828...
gkrieg13 (1): faust
Galzria (1): DatSwan
not voting (2): Cuzz
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, April 9 at 9pm forum time. That is 12 hours and ~15 minutes from now.
mod note: added song lyrics to the last 5 vote counts. Which means all the best lyrics are up that way ^
My last point is important because I believe will be the ones fretting most about consolidation at this point. Looking at the above vote count (I'll get to actual posts in a bit) I'm very much inclined to look away from IDPTG & Robz today, and instead look heavily at: EFHW, TWM, O, e & Gkrieg.
I really have to disagree here.
Town members are certainly likely to be fretting about vote consolidation at this point if they care about getting a lynch. Anyone who has experienced or nearly experienced a no lynch would be feeling that way. We have to consolidate if we want to get to a lynch, otherwise we all just sit on our isolated opinions and never get a wagon large enough to be a majority. There might be scum in the mix, certainly. But to blanket sweep those who are trying to move in that direction is ridiculous and unnecessary paints people as scummy moving forward. What are you going to do? Jump on everyone that consolidates from this point out too?
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I am caught up.
Won't Lynch: TWM, IDP, Gkrieg, Faust, Datswan, Robz
Null: Galzria, 2.7, Cuzz, Space
Want to lynch: EFHW, O
Nothing has really happened to lessen my early scumread of EFHW, and the fact that the wagon has risen and fallen the way is has makes me happy.
vote: EFHW although I guess I don't get the many people so unwilling to lynch IDPTG.
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Down a hall in your house, down a road in December,
We can never go back; we can only remember.
(https://youtu.be/d0iSoyw_btI?t=236)
Vote count 1.11
Robz888 (3): IDontPlayThisGame, EFHW, O
McMcsalot (1): Galzria
EFHW (3): mcmcsalot, SpaceAnemone, The_Wine_Merchant
IDontPlayThisGame (2): Robz888, gkrieg13
Galzria (1): DatSwan
SpaceAnemone (2): faust, 2.71828
not voting (1): Cuzz
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, April 9 at 9pm forum time. That is 3 hours and ~20 minutes from now.
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Vote: EFHW
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Vote tracker by player:
Robz: {Galz/30}, {Gkrieg/96}, {Faust/145}, {IDPTG/187}
IDPTG: {Robz/32}
Mcmc: {Robz/70}, {EFHW/150}
2.714: {Robz/36}, {O/264}, {Space/271}, {Datswan/296}, {IDPTG/324}, {Space/420}
TWM: {EFHW/126}, {2.714/274), {EFHW/295}, {IDPTG/302}, {2.714/379}, {IDPTG/411}
Swan: {O/74}, {Faust/282}, {Galz/362}
Space: {2.714/69}, {EFHW/237}
Galzria: {Robz/51}, {TWM/56}, {Mcmc/124}
Cuzz:
EFHW: {Galzria/68}, {TWM/244}, {Robz/292}
O: {O/61}, {Robz/313}
Faust: {O/60}, {IDPTG/169}, {EFHW/235}, {TWM/241}, {IDPTG/325}, {Gkrieg/343}, {Space/417}
Gkrieg: {Galz/80}, {Faust/255}, {Datswan/289}, {IDPTG/321}
Players that have received unique votes:
Robz (6}: IDPTG, Mcmc, 2.714, Galzria, EFHW, O
IDPTG (5): Robz, 2.714, Mcmc, Faust, Gkrieg
Mcmc (1): Mcmc
2.714 (2): TWM, Space
TWM (3): Galzria, EFHW, Faust
Swan (1): Gkrieg
Space (2): 2.714, Faust
Galzria (4): Robz, Swan, EFHW, Gkrieg
Cuzz (0):
EFHW (4): Mcmc, TWM, Space, Faust
O (4): 2.714, Swan, O, Faust
Faust (3): Robz, Swan, Gkrieg
Gkrieg (2): Robz, Faust
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I'm definitely against a Robz or IDPTG lynch. Scum generally do not collect that much attention throughout the day while maintaining large wagons into the last day of deadline.
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I had not seen anyone express any interest in gkrieg lynch.
Multiple people have said 2.7 but no one had started it.
Feel the two situations are different.
Why not Robz?
Why are you specifically asking about Robz? I haven't been interested in a Robz lynch and seen only passing interest from others. I am not going to create a wagon on someone that I don't want to vote for.
He has had a 3 person wagon for some time now, so you would not be creating a wagon and I'm not sure what you could mean by only passing interest, and in my opinion his white knighting/buddying me read like a scum strategy.
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Unvote
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Players that have received unique votes:
Robz (6}: IDPTG, Mcmc, 2.714, Galzria, EFHW, O
More than anyone else. Lack of interest from others doesn't apply.
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Vote: EFHW
vote: EFHW although I guess I don't get the many people so unwilling to lynch IDPTG.
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Though it's not all right. It is so far from all right.
We'll make it into a choice somehow.
I don't know how, but you'll have a choice somehow.
(https://youtu.be/d0iSoyw_btI?t=223)
Vote count 1.10
Robz888 (3): IDontPlayThisGame, EFHW, O
McMcsalot (1): Galzria
EFHW (2): mcmcsalot, SpaceAnemone
IDontPlayThisGame (4): Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant, gkrieg13, 2.71828...
gkrieg13 (1): faust
Galzria (1): DatSwan
not voting (2): Cuzz
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, April 9 at 9pm forum time. That is 12 hours and ~15 minutes from now.
mod note: added song lyrics to the last 5 vote counts. Which means all the best lyrics are up that way ^
My last point is important because I believe will be the ones fretting most about consolidation at this point. Looking at the above vote count (I'll get to actual posts in a bit) I'm very much inclined to look away from IDPTG & Robz today, and instead look heavily at: EFHW, TWM, O, e & Gkrieg.
I really have to disagree here.
Town members are certainly likely to be fretting about vote consolidation at this point if they care about getting a lynch. Anyone who has experienced or nearly experienced a no lynch would be feeling that way. We have to consolidate if we want to get to a lynch, otherwise we all just sit on our isolated opinions and never get a wagon large enough to be a majority. There might be scum in the mix, certainly. But to blanket sweep those who are trying to move in that direction is ridiculous and unnecessary paints people as scummy moving forward. What are you going to do? Jump on everyone that consolidates from this point out too?
Sorry, realize that I'm catching up and reading stuff from the last few days still. When I say "fretting about consolidation at this point", I'm referring mostly to the posts that were made during that time frame - not "now". Obviously we need to come to a consensus - but generally speaking, in the days leading up to an approaching deadline (like we have now), scum DO like to have things a little more in hand - because they cannot predict where we'll go "at this point" (as in, now) when the votes are all split up.
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I'm definitely against a Robz or IDPTG lynch. Scum generally do not collect that much attention throughout the day while maintaining large wagons into the last day of deadline.
Why not? I don't follow this.
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I am caught up.
Won't Lynch: TWM, IDP, Gkrieg, Faust, Datswan, Robz
Null: Galzria, 2.7, Cuzz, Space
Want to lynch: EFHW, O
Nothing has really happened to lessen my early scumread of EFHW, and the fact that the wagon has risen and fallen the way is has makes me happy.
Null? That's it? I would prefer to lynch O over EFHW from your reads
Anybody else on board with an O lynch?
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I'm definitely against a Robz or IDPTG lynch. Scum generally do not collect that much attention throughout the day while maintaining large wagons into the last day of deadline.
Why not? I don't follow this.
I don't understand your question. "Why not?" Because it doesn't happen. Find me a game where scum have been on the receiving end of the most votes D1 while continuing to be the primary wagons throughout. When scum DOES get lynched D1 (and it happens rarely), it's due to last minute moving votes due to opinions being spread and town coming together at the last moment to find a consensus. It's not because they've been consistently the most scummy & voted for people throughout the day.
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I am caught up.
Won't Lynch: TWM, IDP, Gkrieg, Faust, Datswan, Robz
Null: Galzria, 2.7, Cuzz, Space
Want to lynch: EFHW, O
Nothing has really happened to lessen my early scumread of EFHW, and the fact that the wagon has risen and fallen the way is has makes me happy.
Null? That's it? I would prefer to lynch O over EFHW from your reads
Anybody else on board with an O lynch?
You are the one not voting right now, why don't you start something? Then if he is actually scum you can get all sorts of town points
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I'm definitely against a Robz or IDPTG lynch. Scum generally do not collect that much attention throughout the day while maintaining large wagons into the last day of deadline.
Why not? I don't follow this.
I don't understand your question. "Why not?" Because it doesn't happen. Find me a game where scum have been on the receiving end of the most votes D1 while continuing to be the primary wagons throughout. When scum DOES get lynched D1 (and it happens rarely), it's due to last minute moving votes due to opinions being spread and town coming together at the last moment to find a consensus. It's not because they've been consistently the most scummy & voted for people throughout the day.
Sorry, I can't assume that being found scummy by several people throughout a day makes a person unlikely to be scum. Even Day 1.
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I am caught up.
Won't Lynch: TWM, IDP, Gkrieg, Faust, Datswan, Robz
Null: Galzria, 2.7, Cuzz, Space
Want to lynch: EFHW, O
Nothing has really happened to lessen my early scumread of EFHW, and the fact that the wagon has risen and fallen the way is has makes me happy.
Null? That's it? I would prefer to lynch O over EFHW from your reads
Anybody else on board with an O lynch?
You are the one not voting right now, why don't you start something? Then if he is actually scum you can get all sorts of town points
Sure.
Vote 2.714
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I don't like any of our waons. Can we please start some other wagon? It doesn't have to be gkrieg; I'm flexible. But I'm not around for much longer.
Where were you when I was voting 2.7?
TWM, come back to 2.7
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Robz, EFHW, Space:
2.7 lynch?
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Mcmc, you on board?
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Robz, EFHW, Space:
2.7 lynch?
As admirable as this attempt at my lynch is, you 1) don't have a case and 2) don't have the votes
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Robz, EFHW, Space:
2.7 lynch?
I could be on board, reluctantly.
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Robz, EFHW, Space:
2.7 lynch?
As admirable as this attempt at my lynch is, you 1) don't have a case and 2) don't have the votes
1) is irrelevant (and inaccurate), and 2) remains to be seen.
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Robz, EFHW, Space:
2.7 lynch?
As admirable as this attempt at my lynch is, you 1) don't have a case and 2) don't have the votes
1) is irrelevant (and inaccurate), and 2) remains to be seen.
Please address the inaccuracy of point 1
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Robz, EFHW, Space:
2.7 lynch?
As admirable as this attempt at my lynch is, you 1) don't have a case and 2) don't have the votes
1) is irrelevant (and inaccurate), and 2) remains to be seen.
Please address the inaccuracy of point 1
Would doing so convince you that you're scum?
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Robz, EFHW, Space:
2.7 lynch?
As admirable as this attempt at my lynch is, you 1) don't have a case and 2) don't have the votes
1) is irrelevant (and inaccurate), and 2) remains to be seen.
Please address the inaccuracy of point 1
Would doing so convince you that you're scum?
You never know until you try
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No lynch here we come
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No lynch here we come
There's 2 1/2 hours to deadline. I've seen entire vote counts flip in the last 10 minutes. There's a ton of time left. You're here. I'm here. Mcmc is in a timezone that should allow him to be present. Same for Datswan. Same for (I think?) EFHW. 2.718 is here. Space is around?
Faust is out. I don't know about Cuzz, IDPTG, O or Gkrieg.
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No lynch here we come
I'll hammer anybody at L-1 if needed to in order to finish a lynch. I've been wracking those up recently.
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No lynch here we come
I'll hammer anybody at L-1 if needed to in order to finish a lynch. I've been wracking those up recently.
But really, you should vote for 2.718 with me.
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Space is around?
Yes, but still only half way through my re-read, so I'm not quite feeling up to date with the deadline panic yet. I'll be here for at least another half hour.
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No lynch here we come
I'll hammer anybody at L-1 if needed to in order to finish a lynch. I've been wracking those up recently.
But really, you should vote for 2.718 with me.
Space is a much better vote.
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Vote 2.714
That's not even a valid vote, and I don't quite get what you're doing. Why isn't EFHW a decent wagon as far as you're concerned?
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Vote 2.714
That's not even a valid vote, and I don't quite get what you're doing. Why isn't EFHW a decent wagon as far as you're concerned?
It's valid. It's unambiguous, even if the last digit is wrong.
EFHW is an ok wagon. It just feels like a cop-out.
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Vote 2.714
That's not even a valid vote, and I don't quite get what you're doing. Why isn't EFHW a decent wagon as far as you're concerned?
It's valid. It's unambiguous, even if the last digit is wrong.
There's no colon, so at least my auto-vote-counter doesn't think it's valid. Right now, I get this as the state of play:
Robz888 (3): IDontPlayThisGame, EFHW, O
EFHW (4): mcmcsalot, SpaceAnemone, The_Wine_Merchant, Robz888
IDontPlayThisGame (1): gkrieg13
Galzria (1): DatSwan
SpaceAnemone (2): faust, 2.71828.....
Not Voting (2): Cuzz, Galzria
EFHW is an ok wagon. It just feels like a cop-out.
You seem to be awfully focused on pushing a lynch through, or getting hammer stats, but weirdly noncommittal when it comes to the leading wagon.
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Vote 2.714
That's not even a valid vote, and I don't quite get what you're doing. Why isn't EFHW a decent wagon as far as you're concerned?
It's valid. It's unambiguous, even if the last digit is wrong.
EFHW is an ok wagon. It just feels like a cop-out.
It is missing a colon is what he noticed. So technically not valid. I believe in honest mistakes and that you weren't trying some nefarious plot but are just genuinely misguided into thinking I am scum
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Vote 2.714
That's not even a valid vote, and I don't quite get what you're doing. Why isn't EFHW a decent wagon as far as you're concerned?
It's valid. It's unambiguous, even if the last digit is wrong.
EFHW is an ok wagon. It just feels like a cop-out.
It is missing a colon is what he noticed. So technically not valid. I believe in honest mistakes and that you weren't trying some nefarious plot but are just genuinely misguided into thinking I am scum
Ah, you're both correct. I noticed the mistake in "spelling" (I've spelled it wrong all day today. Don't know why) - but I missed the colon. vote: 2.718. Fixed.
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Vote 2.714
That's not even a valid vote, and I don't quite get what you're doing. Why isn't EFHW a decent wagon as far as you're concerned?
It's valid. It's unambiguous, even if the last digit is wrong.
There's no colon, so at least my auto-vote-counter doesn't think it's valid. Right now, I get this as the state of play:
Robz888 (3): IDontPlayThisGame, EFHW, O
EFHW (4): mcmcsalot, SpaceAnemone, The_Wine_Merchant, Robz888
IDontPlayThisGame (1): gkrieg13
Galzria (1): DatSwan
SpaceAnemone (2): faust, 2.71828.....
Not Voting (2): Cuzz, Galzria
EFHW is an ok wagon. It just feels like a cop-out.
You seem to be awfully focused on pushing a lynch through, or getting hammer stats, but weirdly noncommittal when it comes to the leading wagon.
That's a bit of a stretch. I'm interested in getting a 2.718 lynch through. I haven't been going out of my way to push through "any lynch I can get". In fact, I would say it's been exactly the opposite. And in regards to the hammer stats, I mentioned it just once - and only because in my last two games I've swooped in from being MIA to cast the hammer vote and it's been fun. :P
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What the hell is galz doing? I mean 2.7 is an ok lunch but no one has been interested the last two times. Why would they be now?
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What the hell is galz doing? I mean 2.7 is an ok lunch but no one has been interested the last two times. Why would they be now?
Deadline changes things. You're here and wanted the lynch, yes? EFHW expressed willingness. That's 3. I believe Robz would vote 2.7. Space was there earlier. That's 5. That only leaves 2 more - and Mcmc/Datswan should both be around before deadline - not to mention who knows about O/Cuzz/Gkrieg/IDPTG.
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I am not leaving a wagon that has four votes for a wagon that has one. Oh wait consolidation is scummy. I see what you are doing.
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I am not super comfortable with this. Depending on what I and a few others say scum can completely manipulate how this lynch goes.
Let's just say I'll vote where I want if I think I should
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I am not leaving a wagon that has four votes for a wagon that has one. Oh wait consolidation is scummy. I see what you are doing.
Trying to get a lynch through for my highest scum read?
Consolidation isn't scummy, and you know that's not what I said or meant in context.
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Gah.. here's all the re-reading I've managed to get done tonight. Of the ones I've re-read, IDP is my favoured candidate. Vote: IDP for the moment.
Given that everyone's giving Cuzz a practically un-commented-upon free pass for D1, I really only have 5 more to re-read, and I'm already feeling pretty townie on gkrieg simply because if he's scum he's usually the one spearheading my mislynch.
Robz -- jokes about being the SK, and for playing for his next scum game. Chats about how he met his wife. Calls the setup confusing, and defends Galz for asking stuff. Then jokes about mcmc telling whether gkrieg is scum, before voting gkrieg. Complains about the setup being written in schadd-speak. I object on the grounds that it's actually entirely possible to pin the setup down in a probabilistic sense using the information given, so there's nothing unclear, and that's from someone who's sometimes overly literal, so for Robz to complain about language issues, as someone who works with words, seems lazy. "Lol I wish I was scum". Votes faust. Calls mcmc and Galz "both scum". Sheeps faust on his IDP case. Defends himself for being called out on jumping around by saying he was just trying to provoke responses. Calls EFHW townie. Falls on the "lynch lurkers" side of the argument. Townreads faust, then notes he's trying to distract from the IDP wagon. Calls clutter anti-town. All that in 21 game posts.
IDontPlayThisGame (18 posts) -- Jokey opener, then nothing till #149, where he nitpicks Robz. Disagrees with O's scumread on mcmc, and wants e not to be serious about townreading RR (who's now Cuzz) for his absence. Responds to faust's case by saying that he has trouble D1 (tell me about that!), and also questioning whether scum really lurk D1. The second part of the defense feels superfluous, because he's suggesting lurkers have a low probability of being scum, which is maybe more likely to happen if he knows the rest of the lurkers aren't scum, which only happens when he is. Spends his next few posts defending his defense/response. Still has no avatar. Continues on a crusade to point out that lurker lynches aren't good in a way I don't really agree with, because he doesn't factor in the prior probability of anyone being scum, so sure, lurker lynches often don't work out, but it's also true that non-lurker lynches often hit town, so it's overly simplistic to use that as a reason not to lynch. I think a much more sensible reason not to lynch lurkers is that they provide little extra info when they flip, compared to someone who's been on a lot of wagons and talked a lot with other players, so you can see their interactions. Also, a lurker scum isn't taking control of the game in the way an active scum might be to sway things. This re-read god side-tracked, but my general impression of IDP is definitely on the scummy side.
McMcsalot (19 posts) -- scumreads robz at the start. Agreed with a townread on e. Disagrees with scumreads on TWM and Galz. Converses with faust about townreading me. This is someone who frequently scumreads me for almost no reason, so I'm tentatively okay with that, though I still think both of them missed my feeling about how scums are going to want to be more controlling of a game and not be absent.. mcmc in particular is quite a controlling player (see comments like "would actually like EFHW to answer before datswan", where he casually expects players to fall in line with how he wants things to be done. Declines to explain what town!Robz should look like to him. That's maybe a healthy suspicion between the brothers? Defends TWM's dama sequence, which is funny only because TWM later admitted that some of it was a bit fake. Townreads Datswan and then gkrieg; scumreads EFHW, and confirms this when he's back again after a longish break.
e: 48 game posts is quite a lot. Scumreads Robz out of the box. Jokes around with stuff like an early reads list. Also defends TWM and his dama. Calls RR town for being absent. Accuses faust of being scummy over part of his IDP case. Points out that Robz seems to be wagon-fishing. Townreads Robz after he responds to that. Policy-votes O over his self-vote. Votes me for my EFHW vote (I still think her comment sounded forced). Starts talking about lurker patterns in post counts. Decides that Swan and Cuzz are probably not teammates. Votes Swan, then IDP after Swan posts. Wants to lynch me. His post frequency tails off a bit later in the day, but he says he'll be around for deadline. Annoyingly, he reads quite townie in spite of pushing for me. He and I tend not to see at all eye-to-eye on things pretty often.
The Wine Merchant: Opens with some silly stuff then that whole dama thing. Votes EFHW while doing a bit of agreeing with mcmc. Notes RR's disappearance. Gets a little defensive about how shouty he got last game. Townreads faust, but later clarifies that he townreads him [i]because[/i] he wants to vote him, which is a weird way of constructing a townread. Votes e. Keeps pretty cool when faust goes perilously close to actively encouraging negative play. Joins the EFHW wagon. Slightly odd response to faust's gkrieg vote: "I don't see the purpose of it at this point in the game" -- not actually sure where he was going with that. Moves back to EFHW. Tries to push e and steer away from gkrieg. Gives a case for the former only after prompting. Votes IDP and says he'll be back before deadline. I actually don't mind the IDP vote after my re-read, but the rest is a bit of a mixed bag, so he's pretty null.
Datswan: Opens with a vote on O, an suspicion on Galz. Asks O why he finds Swan scummy. Asks e why he'd possibly townread an absent player. Confirms his enduring scumread on O. Asks faust what his read on O is. Gives a pretty paranoid-sounding reads list before voting faust (with a malformed vote that got counted anyway). Asks Robz why he (Swan) got classed as an okay lynch. Scumreads faust. Points out gkrieg's malformed vote on Swan. So clearly is paying attention to vote formats. Calls Robz scum for scumreading him over "nonsense reasons". Claims not to have noticed that RR was replaced. Nitpicks some of EFHW's wording, in that he points out it's potentially scummy, but without making anything else of it, which seems hedgey. Still wants to push faust or Galz. I dislike how everyone is removing Cuzz from their analysis/lynchpools. Presents faust, Galz, mcmc and me as his lynch pool, which kind of feels like a list of people he's paranoid about. Votes Galz, which is not a surprise from Swan. Certainly seems okay engaging a lot of people, so nullish-town.
Spaceanemone -- Spaaaaaaace!
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Vote: Galzria
why not consolidate on a better lynch than e.
Also not voting for IDPTG or EFHW. Anyone else I'm good with.
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BTW the whole concept of giving pseudo-D1-lynch immunity is quite asinine and does nothing but create feedback loops... (you mean the people we categorically refuse to lynch end up winning more?? what a shocker.)
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Vote: Galzria
why not consolidate on a better lynch than e.
Also not voting for IDPTG or EFHW. Anyone else I'm good with.
Us capital letters have to stick together 🙂
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vote: IDP
Muh preferred lynch
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btw im here for like 5 more minutes so if anyone wants to take a stab at convincing me to vote for not-Galz, now is the time
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About an hour left now.
Vote: IDPTG
Also, reading Space's notes in the little code box on mobile was fun. I did like their comments in IDP as well as their comments on me.
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About an hour left now.
Vote: IDPTG
Also, reading Space's notes in the little code box on mobile was fun. I did like their comments in IDP as well as their comments on me.
The scroll. Oh my. So long.
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vote: EFHW. Prefer to IDPTG.
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Can we get a VC plz.
63 minutes left.
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Vote: Galzria
why not consolidate on a better lynch than e.
Also not voting for IDPTG or EFHW. Anyone else I'm good with.
Because I didn't like either of the current wagons, so I attempted to make one I did like. Exactly what you're doing now.
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I believe this is correct:
Right now, I get this as the state of play:
Robz888 (2): IDontPlayThisGame, EFHW
EFHW (3): mcmcsalot, The_Wine_Merchant, Galzria
IDontPlayThisGame (4): gkrieg13, Robz888, SpaceAnemone, 2.71828.....
Galzria (2): DatSwan, O
SpaceAnemone (1): faust
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Maybe they told you 'bout the summer sky,
maybe they said there's a great gold spirit in the summer sky
or all your friends (all your best, best friends)
are gonna gather around your bed at night.
Well that'll make it all right because it is still so far from all right. Oh, kid, I know.
(https://youtu.be/d0iSoyw_btI?t=264)
Vote count 1.12
Robz888 (2): IDontPlayThisGame, EFHW
EFHW (3): mcmcsalot, The_Wine_Merchant, Galzria
IDontPlayThisGame (4): gkrieg13, SpaceAnemone, Robz888, 2.71828
Galzria (2): DatSwan, O
SpaceAnemone (1): faust
not voting (1): Cuzz
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, April 9 at 9pm forum time. 1hr
Mod note: Fixed
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Vote: EFHW
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Funny how the two people our largest wagons are on are voting Robz
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Around for about 5 minutes then gone
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I see no reason to lynch EFHW over IDPTG
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Also if I had a vig shot, it would go toward Faust tonight. He was much less helpful today than he normally is, and all his cases weren’t as good as they usually are. He is ending the day one someone with a weak case.
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Yeah, let's just start talking about PRs now.....
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E/GK - real question. you gonna let it go no lynch instead of switch?
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I see no reason to lynch EFHW over IDPTG
Do you see a reason for lynching EFHW over no one?
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E/GK - real question. you gonna let it go no lynch instead of switch?
Are you? Vote: IDPTG
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E/GK - real question. you gonna let it go no lynch instead of switch?
Are you? Vote: IDPTG
assuming sarcasm - of course not. I was asking them specifically because they were present.
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can we do Robz?
lets do robz!
Seriously. Both our guys on him, and there is no way we are finding skum in either of the two people currently on wagon - just too much feels like skum playing a TvT wagon situation with how laid back it is.
CMon Robz anyone?!?
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I'm here, still prefer IDP.
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I am here til DL. I will move to make the lynch happen but I am gonna try to get the train going for a sec here.
Vote: Robz
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I mean this is well deserved since I always support your lynch and always think you're scum, but you have no case here. I guess that's not much of a criticism; no one else has any good cases, really.
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Here.
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I am here til DL. I will move to make the lynch happen but I am gonna try to get the train going for a sec here.
Vote: Robz
Look at the number of people that have voted for Robz (and IDPTG) in the day prior to "deadline crunch". Do you honestly believe that scum collects that many votes D1?
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I am here til DL. I will move to make the lynch happen but I am gonna try to get the train going for a sec here.
Vote: Robz
Look at the number of people that have voted for Robz (and IDPTG) in the day prior to "deadline crunch". Do you honestly believe that scum collects that many votes D1?
If I were scum it would be a dream scenario... but no, it doesn't happen.
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Here.
You should vote IDPTG
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I am here til DL. I will move to make the lynch happen but I am gonna try to get the train going for a sec here.
Vote: Robz
Look at the number of people that have voted for Robz (and IDPTG) in the day prior to "deadline crunch". Do you honestly believe that scum collects that many votes D1?
Yes - when all of a sudden the wagon goes from Robz to 2 players that are not robz - think it is possible.
Truely it is just a matter of I do not think there is any chance at all we find skum in EFHW or IDP. I want to lynch you and Faust. But that ain't happening. So I would take the - whatever - 5% chance on robz over the like no % chance on the current two wagons.
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I am here til DL. I will move to make the lynch happen but I am gonna try to get the train going for a sec here.
Vote: Robz
Look at the number of people that have voted for Robz (and IDPTG) in the day prior to "deadline crunch". Do you honestly believe that scum collects that many votes D1?
Robz would. I don't think that's a good argument. But I guess I already said that.
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Here.
You should vote IDPTG
I'm hoping for Robz still.
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Ok, not happening. vote: IDPTG.
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L-1. Guess he's not here though?
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all you galz.. I know you want it.
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all you galz.. I know you want it.
This is stupid.
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all you galz.. I know you want it.
This is stupid.
Not you, the lynch.
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fuck me. 2 minutes left get reached I will do it. this is dumb.
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all you galz.. I know you want it.
This is stupid.
Not you, the lynch.
I cannot believe people prefer this to EFHW
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wiat didnt you say you preferred IDP to EFHW?
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all you galz.. I know you want it.
This is stupid.
Not you, the lynch.
I cannot believe people prefer this to EFHW
There's no case on IDPTG. And he's literally done the EXACT same thing he did in his last town game - RVS vote that stayed the entire time because it developed into a scum read.
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Down a hall in your house, down a road in December
Up the stairs four flights, son; can you feel my heart shiver?
Wakin' in the dawn with that dream getting dimmer and dimmer.
(https://youtu.be/d0iSoyw_btI?t=295)
Vote count 1.13
Robz888 (2): IDontPlayThisGame, DatSwan
EFHW (3): mcmcsalot, The_Wine_Merchant, Galzria
IDontPlayThisGame (6): gkrieg13, SpaceAnemone, Robz888, 2.71828, The_Wine_Merchant, EFHW (L-1)
Galzria (1): O
SpaceAnemone (1): faust
not voting (1): Cuzz
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, April 9 at 9pm forum time.
5 Minutes!
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wiat didnt you say you preferred IDP to EFHW?
No.
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all you galz.. I know you want it.
This is stupid.
Not you, the lynch.
I agree. Just better than no lynch. Better than a me-lynch, too.
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wiat didnt you say you preferred IDP to EFHW?
No.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
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vote: EFHW. Prefer to IDPTG.
???
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wiat didnt you say you preferred IDP to EFHW?
No.
He is voting me.
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all you galz.. I know you want it.
This is stupid.
Not you, the lynch.
I cannot believe people prefer this to EFHW
There's no case on IDPTG. And he's literally done the EXACT same thing he did in his last town game - RVS vote that stayed the entire time because it developed into a scum read.
I'm not saying it's good play. Or that he couldn't do it as scum. Just that "that reason", combined with how many people have pushed for him (FoS at literally every single one of you) makes him an incredibly unlikely scum lynch chance.
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Whatever. Sorry IDP.
Vote: IDPTG
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Thread Locked.
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all you galz.. I know you want it.
This is stupid.
Not you, the lynch.
I agree. Just better than no lynch. Better than a me-lynch, too.
From you, fair.
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I said, are we going down the deep river? Down the deep river?
Why don't you say you still see it, say you remember? Are we going down?
Because I know it's scary, baby.
(https://youtu.be/d0iSoyw_btI?t=315)
D1 Final Vote Count
Robz888 (1): IDontPlayThisGame
EFHW (3): mcmcsalot, The_Wine_Merchant, Galzria
IDontPlayThisGame (7): gkrieg13, SpaceAnemone, Robz888, 2.71828, The_Wine_Merchant, EFHW, DatSwan
Galzria (1): O
SpaceAnemone (1): faust
not voting (1): Cuzz
With 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch.
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Underneath the house just like a flameout teen
Who smells like sweat and gasoline
Kid, I stand with you.
And when you get hard and your eyes get mean
Cause you're on the march
Well, I could almost kiss you.
Don't let them twist you.
Here, have this song;
You can take it with you.
(https://youtu.be/Waa7jgyffuw?t=86)
IDontPlayThisGame was a vanilla townie!
Kids get lost, lambs out wandering.
Bigger, blacker things go following
Them into a patch of forest
Somebody once planted for this.
Song's not over, phones still ringing
Eyes still rolling, eyes still clinging.
Something in the air starts singing.
Radio switched on and buzzing,
Something in the wind starts humming.
Something in the field starts hunting.
Kids grow up and kids get numb
And kids it's coming, kids it's going to come.
(https://youtu.be/YZFybEIziRI)
N1 begins now and last until April 11, ~9:15PM forum time. Night actions are due by April 10 at 9:15PM forum time.
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Upon reflection, I would prefer a longer night action submission window of 40 hours instead of 24. This will go into effect for all nights, starting tonight. The new night action deadline is April 11 at 1:15PM forum time. If anyone objects to this, please say so in your quicktopic.
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Sam, bless him, has died and left this home,
The woodchucks running wild, the bushes overgrown.
Slip unseen into the skein of trees;
Slide through dusky grasses and scatter his ashes.
Oh, it is all over, he is never coming back.
There will be no more roaming.
He was only here for fourteen years
And now the branches scratch my face and I can't hold back my tears.
(https://youtu.be/fDMqnX66RG4?t=10)
Faust has died in the night. He was Sam, a town tracker.
I've come to feel, out on the sea
These urgent lives press against me.
I'm just a guest. I'm not a part.
With my tender head, with my easy heart,
These several years out on the sea
Have made me empty, cold, and clear. Pour yourself into me.
(https://youtu.be/V9pVhN4e6vY?t=255)
McMcsalot has died in the night. He was the sailor, a town universal backup.
No one wants to hear about your 97th tear
So dry your eyes and let it go uncried, my dear.
(https://youtu.be/CaXvayF2vog)
Day 2 Starts now!
Vote count 2.0
not voting (10): Robz888, 2.71828..., The_Wine_Merchant, Datswan, SpaceAnemone, Galzria, Cuzz, EFHW, O, Gkrieg13
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, April 18 at 9pm forum time.
Thread unlocked!
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Wow that sucks.
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I believe that is three letters accounted for though.
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vote: O for being very under the radar
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I’m also eerie of EFHW now.
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That should probably be weary.
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very unclear how im under the radar.
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Vote: Gkrieg
post reeks of pre-flip planning of wagon to push.
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I’m also eerie of EFHW now.
Why more than before?
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I’m also eerie of EFHW now.
Now?
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EFHW beat me to it.
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That should probably be weary.
wary
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Vote: Gkrieg
post reeks of pre-flip planning of wagon to push.
Does scum really do that, that much though?
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Vote: Gkrieg
post reeks of pre-flip planning of wagon to push.
Does scum really do that, that much though?
They do it more frequently than town come rushing out the gates with an arbitrary vote after a bad night.
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And FYI - partially VLA through Saturday.
Finally going to see Hamilton (someone needs to run a Hamilton mafia game!) and a grandma's 90th birthday celebration taking up much of the next few days.
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Vote: Gkrieg
post reeks of pre-flip planning of wagon to push.
Does scum really do that, that much though?
They do it more frequently than town come rushing out the gates with an arbitrary vote after a bad night.
I have a hard time believing that.
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Vote: Gkrieg
post reeks of pre-flip planning of wagon to push.
Does scum really do that, that much though?
They do it more frequently than town come rushing out the gates with an arbitrary vote after a bad night.
I have a hard time believing that.
You having a hard time believing it is why scum are incentivized to do it.
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Vote: Gkrieg
post reeks of pre-flip planning of wagon to push.
Does scum really do that, that much though?
They do it more frequently than town come rushing out the gates with an arbitrary vote after a bad night.
I have a hard time believing that.
You having a hard time believing it is why scum are incentivized to do it.
OK. That is a fair point, but you are switching arguments. Let's be more specific to the person at hand, gkrieg. Is he more likely to do that in the context of this situation. Why would he (or his team) pick you?
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Vote: Gkrieg
post reeks of pre-flip planning of wagon to push.
Does scum really do that, that much though?
They do it more frequently than town come rushing out the gates with an arbitrary vote after a bad night.
I have a hard time believing that.
You having a hard time believing it is why scum are incentivized to do it.
OK. That is a fair point, but you are switching arguments. Let's be more specific to the person at hand, gkrieg. Is he more likely to do that in the context of this situation. Why would he (or his team) pick you?
Why would his team not pick me? I don't think I've had especially reassuring scumreads this game. Last night plenty of people demonstrated a willingness to lynch me, even if they didnt vote for me come deadline.
I don't see any compelling argument for why town!Gkrieg would vote for me in particular either. I didn't really fly under the radar at all IMO.
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So I assume SK because that would have been a terrible vig shot. Shooting either one of them
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On the one hand....the wagon on IDP definitely had scum on it. Everyone who died was off-wagon.
Of course, that statement is extremely generic and means almost nothing at this point
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Also, I think DatSwan or Galz is scum. The way they belabored that lynch was scummy.
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EFHW played it townie in my opinion. The prolonged agony of knowing they would mislynch town just seems faked.
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Way Too Early Reads List:
1. Robz - scum. This is actually a read.
2. IDontPlayThisGame - town. If he is in fact playing this game
3. McMcsalot - town. Won't be on the same team as his brother
4. e - town.
5. The Wine Merchant - strong town read. He will basically have to claim scum and the rest of you lynch him. I am convinced he is town.
6. Datswan - town. Because I don't know Datswan as well as others
7. Spaceanemone - town. Playing the odds on this one. We only have 3 scum
8. Galzria - SK. Someone has to be. (I guess not technically. Ok, I read the setup)
9. Roadrunner - town. Dude is always town and no one gives him any credit for it.
10. EFHW - scum. EFHW is a tricky one to place. And I place her as scum
11. O - town. O joking about being scum is townie, Robz doing it is scummy. Perfectly clear logic
12. Faust - town. I hope.
13. Gkrieg - scum. Because I got to the bottom of the list and realized I needed another scum
Hmmmm. Robz/EFHW/Gkrieg scum team with Galzria SK. We have our work cut out for us, town. Or we just lynch the scum.
Also, 3/3. Should have trusted my reads.
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Vote: Gkrieg
post reeks of pre-flip planning of wagon to push.
Gkriegs posts seemed pretty natural to me
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Yeah, vote: DatSwan
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DatSwan only recieved one vote all of D1 I believe. Some of the reason behind that is his scum partners had no reason whatsoever to vote for him. You find reasons to vote for town, then people do something (lurk, have an "implicating" post, etc) and you latch onto those 2 or 3 townies and make the day all about them. You can ignore your partners.
DatSwan was that scum partner that was ignored D1 (at least as far as voting goes)
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DatSwan only recieved one vote all of D1 I believe. Some of the reason behind that is his scum partners had no reason whatsoever to vote for him. You find reasons to vote for town, then people do something (lurk, have an "implicating" post, etc) and you latch onto those 2 or 3 townies and make the day all about them. You can ignore your partners.
DatSwan was that scum partner that was ignored D1 (at least as far as voting goes)
You believe wrong — you and gkrieg. Datswan is scummy though
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That should probably be weary.
wary
Maybe he is tired?
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Way Too Early Reads List:
1. Robz - scum. This is actually a read.
2. IDontPlayThisGame - town. If he is in fact playing this game
3. McMcsalot - town. Won't be on the same team as his brother
4. e - town.
5. The Wine Merchant - strong town read. He will basically have to claim scum and the rest of you lynch him. I am convinced he is town.
6. Datswan - town. Because I don't know Datswan as well as others
7. Spaceanemone - town. Playing the odds on this one. We only have 3 scum
8. Galzria - SK. Someone has to be. (I guess not technically. Ok, I read the setup)
9. Roadrunner - town. Dude is always town and no one gives him any credit for it.
10. EFHW - scum. EFHW is a tricky one to place. And I place her as scum
11. O - town. O joking about being scum is townie, Robz doing it is scummy. Perfectly clear logic
12. Faust - town. I hope.
13. Gkrieg - scum. Because I got to the bottom of the list and realized I needed another scum
Hmmmm. Robz/EFHW/Gkrieg scum team with Galzria SK. We have our work cut out for us, town. Or we just lynch the scum.
Also, 3/3. Should have trusted my reads.
Last time i checked knowing who is Town is a skum trait.
Vote: 2.7
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I am all out of love to mouth into your ear
And not above letting a love song disappear
Before it is written.
(https://youtu.be/CaXvayF2vog?t=14)
Vote count 2.1
O (1): gkrieg13
gkrieg13 (1): O
DatSwan (1): 2.71828...
2.71828... (1): DatSwan
not voting (6): Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant, SpaceAnemone, Galzria, Cuzz, EFHW
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, April 18 at 9pm forum time.
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So I assume SK because that would have been a terrible vig shot. Shooting either one of them
I thought you admitted to having read the setup? If we have vigs, they're DayVigs, not standard ones. This is a schadd setup, after all...
I would scumread you for the possibly-staged "look how much I don't know what's going on" thing, and for encouraging others to think about SK-hunting, except that gkrieg made a similar comment towards the end of D1 that stuck in my mind a bit, too.
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Ah, my previous post makes more sense when I say I totally townread gkrieg, mainly just for not having tried to lynch me yet. He has a really long track record of being head of the "let's lynch Space" drive as either alignment. It would make a lot of sense for him to emulate that behaviour as scum, rather than to risk a townread on me.
I'll get to filling out the rest of my re-reads table sometime in the next few days. I still have to actually re-read gkrieg, but there are a few others I have virtually no informed opinion on right now, like O and Cuzz.
Sorry if the reads format in the code table was a pain for small devices to scroll through! My intention was to keep it in a tidy little box rather that eating up thread space, but I hate trying to make sense of a game on a phone screen, so I'm mostly imagining other people seeing it on screens like mine. My bad :-(
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I believe that is three letters accounted for though.
I think a single "O" and a single "L" are more likely, but I don't have time to re-run my probabilities this lunch break.
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I believe that is three letters accounted for though.
I think a single "O" and a single "L" are more likely, but I don't have time to re-run my probabilities this lunch break.
Ah, wait, I'm being sloppy! I saw that "UB+Tracker" can come about in multiple ways, and accounted for the flips without remembering that we also have to account for the existence of the SK whose existence made there be a second flip in the first place. Definitely need lunch and coffee!
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EFHW played it townie in my opinion. The prolonged agony of knowing they would mislynch town just seems faked.
I'm townie?
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Way Too Early Reads List:
1. Robz - scum. This is actually a read.
2. IDontPlayThisGame - town. If he is in fact playing this game
3. McMcsalot - town. Won't be on the same team as his brother
4. e - town.
5. The Wine Merchant - strong town read. He will basically have to claim scum and the rest of you lynch him. I am convinced he is town.
6. Datswan - town. Because I don't know Datswan as well as others
7. Spaceanemone - town. Playing the odds on this one. We only have 3 scum
8. Galzria - SK. Someone has to be. (I guess not technically. Ok, I read the setup)
9. Roadrunner - town. Dude is always town and no one gives him any credit for it.
10. EFHW - scum. EFHW is a tricky one to place. And I place her as scum
11. O - town. O joking about being scum is townie, Robz doing it is scummy. Perfectly clear logic
12. Faust - town. I hope.
13. Gkrieg - scum. Because I got to the bottom of the list and realized I needed another scum
Hmmmm. Robz/EFHW/Gkrieg scum team with Galzria SK. We have our work cut out for us, town. Or we just lynch the scum.
Also, 3/3. Should have trusted my reads.
Last time i checked knowing who is Town is a skum trait.
Vote: 2.7
vote: datswan
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EFHW played it townie in my opinion. The prolonged agony of knowing they would mislynch town just seems faked.
I'm townie?
I thought how you played at the end of D1 was townie, especially in comparison to DatSwan
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right, so apologies for my profound uselessness. this is my first time replacing into a game and I'm doing it badly because I thought I had to read 18 pages of content before contributing and I'm realizing that that's not going to happen. so I'm gonna just reread O because I think this maybe seems like scum O.
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EFHW played it townie in my opinion. The prolonged agony of knowing they would mislynch town just seems faked.
I'm townie?
I thought how you played at the end of D1 was townie, especially in comparison to DatSwan
So it was Datswan's agony that seemed fake?
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Way Too Early Reads List:
1. Robz - scum. This is actually a read.
2. IDontPlayThisGame - town. If he is in fact playing this game
3. McMcsalot - town. Won't be on the same team as his brother
4. e - town.
5. The Wine Merchant - strong town read. He will basically have to claim scum and the rest of you lynch him. I am convinced he is town.
6. Datswan - town. Because I don't know Datswan as well as others
7. Spaceanemone - town. Playing the odds on this one. We only have 3 scum
8. Galzria - SK. Someone has to be. (I guess not technically. Ok, I read the setup)
9. Roadrunner - town. Dude is always town and no one gives him any credit for it.
10. EFHW - scum. EFHW is a tricky one to place. And I place her as scum
11. O - town. O joking about being scum is townie, Robz doing it is scummy. Perfectly clear logic
12. Faust - town. I hope.
13. Gkrieg - scum. Because I got to the bottom of the list and realized I needed another scum
Hmmmm. Robz/EFHW/Gkrieg scum team with Galzria SK. We have our work cut out for us, town. Or we just lynch the scum.
Also, 3/3. Should have trusted my reads.
Last time i checked knowing who is Town is a skum trait.
Vote: 2.7
this is an awful, awful scummy vote from DatSwan
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EFHW played it townie in my opinion. The prolonged agony of knowing they would mislynch town just seems faked.
I'm townie?
I thought how you played at the end of D1 was townie, especially in comparison to DatSwan
So it was Datswan's agony that seemed fake?
Yes
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EFHW played it townie in my opinion. The prolonged agony of knowing they would mislynch town just seems faked.
I'm townie?
I thought how you played at the end of D1 was townie, especially in comparison to DatSwan
So it was Datswan's agony that seemed fake?
Datswan tried pretty hard to get a different lynch. That didn't seem fake to me. Galzria's refusal to vote IDPTG was a surprise because we needed a lynch and there were maybe 5 minutes left. IDPTG was a terrible lynch. I looked back to try to see how it happened, and several people tried to get other wagons to work - there was the wagon on me, and the one on Robz. I'll try to do a blow-by-blow, see if it yields any insights.
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Galz was right about IDP as it turned out, but I don't know, I sort of feel like he was doing the whole "look at me, being against this lynch, town laments, ahhh" thing that scum can do confidently because they know who is scum and who is town. So I am scum reading Galz.
I am also scum reading O, way way more than I am scumreading gkrieg.
TWM and Space feel townie. Cuzz being hopelessly out of it seems more townie than scummy.
Not sure about 2.7 and DatSwan.
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That should probably be weary.
wary
Maybe he is tired?
I am sick...
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I believe that is three letters accounted for though.
I think a single "O" and a single "L" are more likely, but I don't have time to re-run my probabilities this lunch break.
Ah, wait, I'm being sloppy! I saw that "UB+Tracker" can come about in multiple ways, and accounted for the flips without remembering that we also have to account for the existence of the SK whose existence made there be a second flip in the first place. Definitely need lunch and coffee!
Ok, so you agree with me now on three letters? There are many possibilities for which three letters, and I didn’t want to enumerate them (because I don’t think that’s useful right now).
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Ok, so you agree with me now on three letters? There are many possibilities for which three letters, and I didn’t want to enumerate them (because I don’t think that’s useful right now).
Yep, we agree. There are extra-many ways it can come about because of the fact that some multiples of S rolls give an extra W to the game.
I think I may have a bug where I've allowed W to resolve to S, which I've realised is explicitly disallowed. I'm glad about this discovery, because it makes everything slightly ill-defined to allow W->S, but I don't know why I wasn't thinking about that when I wrote the original probability-finder script. Hopefully I'll have time to fix it soon!
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@DatSwan - Why did you choose Robz as an alternate wagon at EOD yesterday?
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Vote count 1.10
Robz888 (3): IDontPlayThisGame, EFHW, O
McMcsalot (1): Galzria
EFHW (2): mcmcsalot, SpaceAnemone
IDontPlayThisGame (4): Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant, gkrieg13, 2.71828...
gkrieg13 (1): faust
Galzria (1): DatSwan
not voting (2): Cuzz
9 a.m. TWM v. e, rejects idea of gkrieg lynch
2:48 p.m. TWM v. IDPTG because no one joined him on e.
3 pm e offers lynch Space
3:49 faust v. space, says going to bed
4:11 e v. space
4:15 gkrieg says Space wagon unlikely to go through
4:22 faust comes back, says he townreads IDP, stays on Space
4:23 Galzria disagrees with DatSwan that scum are comfy, saying scum like to have things in hand, not spread out. Does seem to agree that those with fewer votes in the course of the day are more likely to be scum. DatSwan’s scum pool was faust, Galzria, mcmc and Space.
4:27 Galzria won’t vote IDP or Robz. Wants EFHW, TWM, O, e, or gkrieg.
4:43 mcmc w EFHW or O. Won’t vote TWM, IDP, gkrieg, faust, DatSwan, or Robz. Null on Space.
4:56 Robz says O is always scum
5:12 e prefers O over EFHW
5:25 TWM laments failed e wagon.
5:30 TWM v. EFHW, doesn’t get why people aren’t wanting to vote IDP.
Vote count 1.11
Robz888 (3): IDontPlayThisGame, EFHW, O
McMcsalot (1): Galzria
EFHW (3): mcmcsalot, SpaceAnemone, The_Wine_Merchant
IDontPlayThisGame (2): Robz888, gkrieg13
Galzria (1): DatSwan
SpaceAnemone (2): faust, 2.71828
not voting (1): Cuzz
5:46 pm Robz v. EFHW
5:48 Galz posts vote records. He is against voting Robz or IDP. Unvotes mcmc.
5:59 Galz suggests O lynch.
6:03 e tells Galzria to start something
6:10 Galzria v. e. Asks TWM to come back, also Robz, EFHW, Space and mcmc
6:12 EFHW willing to v. e
6:36 Robz predicts no lynch
6:40 Galzria says don’t worry, he’ll hammer anyone if has to.
6:44 e says to vote Space.
6:50 Galz ok with EFHW lynch, but thinks it is a copout.
6:55 Space thinks Galz is “oddly non-committal when comes to leading wagon” (EFHW)
7:07 TWM won’t leave EFHW wagon for e.
7:26 O v. Galzria. Won’t vote e, EFHW, IDP
7:42 Robz v. IDP, much preferred
7:53 e v. IDP
Vote count 1.12
Robz888 (2): IDontPlayThisGame, EFHW
EFHW (3): mcmcsalot, The_Wine_Merchant, Galzria
IDontPlayThisGame (4): gkrieg13, SpaceAnemone, Robz888, 2.71828
Galzria (2): DatSwan, O
SpaceAnemone (1): faust
not voting (1): Cuzz
8:24 DatSwan v. EFHW
8:29 gkrieg prefers IDP
8:35 TWM v. IDP
8:39 DatSwan wants Robz lynch. 8:40 DatSwan v. Robz
8:42 Galzria doesn’t want to vote Robz because he has gotten too much attention throughout the day.
8:44 e tells EFHW to vote IDP. She’s still hoping for Robz.
8:51 EFHW v. IDP L-1
8:55 Galzria refuses to vote IDP
8:57 DatSwan v. IDP, saying “Sorry, IDP”
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@DatSwan - Why did you choose Robz as an alternate wagon at EOD yesterday?
Pretty sure i shared at the time - i didn’t like either of the options and then the mini wagon earlier in the day was quickly dismantled on Robz
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Seems to be a lot of misguided attempts being made at me - specifically surrounding my act the end of D1.
So let’s clear some stuff up:
1) Agony wasn’t fake - didn’t think he was gonna flip skum - would of preferred to do Robz, Galz, Faust. To call it agony might be a little much, but not like i am gonna let it go no lynch.
2) i announced i would hammer with 2 mins left. I did this bc my top skum read was he only other dude online to do something. My concern was he claims he will hammer, then last minute “realizes whatever reason” and we go no lynch.
What should be looked at is he people try to push my wagon today based on my actions yesterday as ultimately, nothing i did has real merit to be viewed as skummy.
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It's nice that Cuzz, Robz, Galzria, Gkrieg, e and Datswan have all agreed at various points that I'm quite scummy and directly or indirectly have been pushing my lynch.
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It's nice that Cuzz, Robz, Galzria, Gkrieg, e and Datswan have all agreed at various points that I'm quite scummy and directly or indirectly have been pushing my lynch.
Yeah, it's like you might actually be town with all those people calling for your lynch.
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It's nice that Cuzz, Robz, Galzria, Gkrieg, e and Datswan have all agreed at various points that I'm quite scummy and directly or indirectly have been pushing my lynch.
why is that nice?
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It's nice that Cuzz, Robz, Galzria, Gkrieg, e and Datswan have all agreed at various points that I'm quite scummy and directly or indirectly have been pushing my lynch.
You seem much more focused on yourself this game instead of actually scum hunting.
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It's nice that Cuzz, Robz, Galzria, Gkrieg, e and Datswan have all agreed at various points that I'm quite scummy and directly or indirectly have been pushing my lynch.
You seem much more focused on yourself this game instead of actually scum hunting.
More like I’m my own most confident read, and the people I’ve pushed either have no traction as lynches it r lost traction (robz)
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Vote: O
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Thoughts about EOD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=18398.msg754138#msg754138)
Add: 7:22 Space v. IDP
Add: 7:56 Galzria v. EFHW
Robz, gkrieg, Space and TWM talked about IDP as actually likely to be scum. faust, Galzria, mcmc, EFHW, O, DatSwan, and e all either refused to vote him or tried to find other wagons or both.
gkrieg and Robz turned things away from an EFHW lynch.
It's possible enough votes could have been found to lynch e or O.
The question I am left with is how scummy was it to choose IDP over other possibilities. To some of us he seemed obv!town.
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The question I am left with is how scummy was it to choose IDP over other possibilities. To some of us he seemed obv!town.
This is where I ended up. People who seemed to have the votes to lynch at end of day were maybe robz, EFHW, IDP. I don't think anyone else was seriously close. If you want to throw me on that list, fine. I didn't feel like I was about to get lynched at all.
From there, IDP was the one I wanted to lynch the most, probably robz least, and (to answer DatSwan's question towards the end of day) I totally would have switched to EFHW to get a lynch.
In fact, I would say TWM's vote is what sealed the IDP lynch over you (EFHW).
Another reason I thought DatSwan's end of day was scummy. Asking that "would you switch to get a lynch" question felt super scummy to me.
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The question I am left with is how scummy was it to choose IDP over other possibilities. To some of us he seemed obv!town.
This is where I ended up.
"That" being deciding that IDP was the best lynch we were going to get D1 and even though out wasn't my favorite lynch it had to be done.
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In fact, I would say TWM's vote is what sealed the IDP lynch over you (EFHW).
Just wanted to bring this out for more consideration. There are a few scenarios here:
1) TWM and EFHW are scum partners and his move helped ensure partner doesn't get lynched
2) TWM is scum (EFHW town) and didn't really care which one of the two got lynched. I don't think that TWM casts a bold deciding vote like that as scum though unless he is saving his partner EFHW. It makes him the focal point of the mislynch
3) TWM is town (EFHW alignment neutral) and he decided to just do it. Get the lynch done.
Had TWM waited another 10/15 minutes I see an EFHW lynch happening just as easily as the IDP lynch.
What category do you all think TWM fits in? Or do you not consider his vote really the deciding votr of that lynch?
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I think the TWM!Town narrative is perfectly reasonable enough that his vote is not particularly alignment indicative
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Kay... a few things:
1) there was this post:
vote: EFHW. Prefer to IDPTG.
2) Then there was this post:
wiat didnt you say you preferred IDP to EFHW?
No.
-- Now Town changes the mind all the time - but he said "no". Just untrue. He absolutely said that he would "Prefer to IDPTG".--
3) Then there is this:
all you galz.. I know you want it.
This is stupid.
Not you, the lynch.
I cannot believe people prefer this to EFHW
- So like, yeah time had passed but nothing had really surfaced on EFHW. Why is it "we need to do IDP" and then all of a sudden "I can't believe we are doing IDP instead of EFHW?". Then he ends up on EFHW?
But like then there is this...
all you galz.. I know you want it.
This is stupid.
Not you, the lynch.
I cannot believe people prefer this to EFHW
There's no case on IDPTG. And he's literally done the EXACT same thing he did in his last town game - RVS vote that stayed the entire time because it developed into a scum read.
So he has no case against him because he is acting EXACTLY THE SAME... but then (as this is the first of the quotes mentioned above) the rest followed.
Galz is the nutz at telling when Faust is off right? Faust was off... but not skum, just Town PR. Which skum would know is the only "off" option.
This is way to many changes on a potential TvT wagon situation than makes sense. Hell, it doesn't make sense in any scenario.
This seems like a lot over a small amount of interaction.
Vote: Galz
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Kay... a few things:
1) there was this post:
vote: EFHW. Prefer to IDPTG.
2) Then there was this post:
wiat didnt you say you preferred IDP to EFHW?
No.
-- Now Town changes the mind all the time - but he said "no". Just untrue. He absolutely said that he would "Prefer to IDPTG".--
3) Then there is this:
all you galz.. I know you want it.
This is stupid.
Not you, the lynch.
I cannot believe people prefer this to EFHW
- So like, yeah time had passed but nothing had really surfaced on EFHW. Why is it "we need to do IDP" and then all of a sudden "I can't believe we are doing IDP instead of EFHW?". Then he ends up on EFHW?
But like then there is this...
all you galz.. I know you want it.
This is stupid.
Not you, the lynch.
I cannot believe people prefer this to EFHW
There's no case on IDPTG. And he's literally done the EXACT same thing he did in his last town game - RVS vote that stayed the entire time because it developed into a scum read.
So he has no case against him because he is acting EXACTLY THE SAME... but then (as this is the first of the quotes mentioned above) the rest followed.
Galz is the nutz at telling when Faust is off right? Faust was off... but not skum, just Town PR. Which skum would know is the only "off" option.
This is way to many changes on a potential TvT wagon situation than makes sense. Hell, it doesn't make sense in any scenario.
This seems like a lot over a small amount of interaction.
Vote: Galz
This is truly an impressive amount of analysis given that it’s based on your misreading “Prefer to idp” which is correctly interpreted as “I’m voting EFHW since I prefer her Lynch to idp’s”
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Vote: O
Robz can you justify this?
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Os assessment of datswans post above is dead on. A sincere question that I hope doesn’t come off the wrong way: Datswan are you a native English speaker?
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Another question for datswan: can you please explain your vote on e from a little while ago?
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And no one wants a tune about the 100th luftballoon
That was seen shooting from the window of your room
To be a spot against the sky's colossal gloom
And land, deflated, in some neighbor state that's strewn
With 99 others. (https://youtu.be/CaXvayF2vog?t=30)
Vote count 2.2
O (2): gkrieg13, Robz888
gkrieg13 (1): O
DatSwan (2): 2.71828..., The_Wine_Merchant
Galzria (1): DatSwan
not voting (6): SpaceAnemone, Galzria, Cuzz, EFHW
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, April 18 at 9pm forum time.
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If datswan isn’t a native speaker I owe him an apology as the tongue in cheek tone I used would be pretty uncalled for.
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I do like DatSwan's energy building the case on galzria though.
I know I have misread posts and gone and built extravagant cases on them and then someone points out that I just misread a post. Not sure how alignment indicative it is though.
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The question I am left with is how scummy was it to choose IDP over other possibilities. To some of us he seemed obv!town.
This is where I ended up. People who seemed to have the votes to lynch at end of day were maybe robz, EFHW, IDP. I don't think anyone else was seriously close. If you want to throw me on that list, fine. I didn't feel like I was about to get lynched at all.
From there, IDP was the one I wanted to lynch the most, probably robz least, and (to answer DatSwan's question towards the end of day) I totally would have switched to EFHW to get a lynch.
In fact, I would say TWM's vote is what sealed the IDP lynch over you (EFHW)....
I disagree here. DatSwan voted me, right after Robz moved off me to IDP. gkrieg then said that he wanted to lynch IDP more than me. If he had voted me, Robz would have come back and there would have been an EFHW lynch. I think TWM's vote for IDP was because the votes weren't there for me anymore.
@Robz Why did you say you preferred IDP lynch yet you had been voting me before?
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Vote: O
Robz can you justify this?
Not at all!
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The question I am left with is how scummy was it to choose IDP over other possibilities. To some of us he seemed obv!town.
This is where I ended up. People who seemed to have the votes to lynch at end of day were maybe robz, EFHW, IDP. I don't think anyone else was seriously close. If you want to throw me on that list, fine. I didn't feel like I was about to get lynched at all.
From there, IDP was the one I wanted to lynch the most, probably robz least, and (to answer DatSwan's question towards the end of day) I totally would have switched to EFHW to get a lynch.
In fact, I would say TWM's vote is what sealed the IDP lynch over you (EFHW)....
I disagree here. DatSwan voted me, right after Robz moved off me to IDP. gkrieg then said that he wanted to lynch IDP more than me. If he had voted me, Robz would have come back and there would have been an EFHW lynch. I think TWM's vote for IDP was because the votes weren't there for me anymore.
@Robz Why did you say you preferred IDP lynch yet you had been voting me before?
You did some townie things that caused me to re-evaluate. I think some error you corrected? I can't recall. I did state it publicly.
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Sorry all, I've been sick yesterday and today so I'm mainly sleeping and bingewatching netflix. Will get to this once I'm done being sick.
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Vote: O
Robz can you justify this?
Not at all!
bah
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2) i announced i would hammer with 2 mins left. I did this bc my top skum read was he only other dude online to do something. My concern was he claims he will hammer, then last minute “realizes whatever reason” and we go no lynch.
Huh?
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In fact, I would say TWM's vote is what sealed the IDP lynch over you (EFHW).
Just wanted to bring this out for more consideration. There are a few scenarios here:
1) TWM and EFHW are scum partners and his move helped ensure partner doesn't get lynched
2) TWM is scum (EFHW town) and didn't really care which one of the two got lynched. I don't think that TWM casts a bold deciding vote like that as scum though unless he is saving his partner EFHW. It makes him the focal point of the mislynch
3) TWM is town (EFHW alignment neutral) and he decided to just do it. Get the lynch done.
Or there could be a #4.
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In fact, I would say TWM's vote is what sealed the IDP lynch over you (EFHW).
Just wanted to bring this out for more consideration. There are a few scenarios here:
1) TWM and EFHW are scum partners and his move helped ensure partner doesn't get lynched
2) TWM is scum (EFHW town) and didn't really care which one of the two got lynched. I don't think that TWM casts a bold deciding vote like that as scum though unless he is saving his partner EFHW. It makes him the focal point of the mislynch
3) TWM is town (EFHW alignment neutral) and he decided to just do it. Get the lynch done.
Or there could be a #4.
Oh yeah, SK
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The question I am left with is how scummy was it to choose IDP over other possibilities. To some of us he seemed obv!town.
This is where I ended up. People who seemed to have the votes to lynch at end of day were maybe robz, EFHW, IDP. I don't think anyone else was seriously close. If you want to throw me on that list, fine. I didn't feel like I was about to get lynched at all.
From there, IDP was the one I wanted to lynch the most, probably robz least, and (to answer DatSwan's question towards the end of day) I totally would have switched to EFHW to get a lynch.
In fact, I would say TWM's vote is what sealed the IDP lynch over you (EFHW)....
I disagree here. DatSwan voted me, right after Robz moved off me to IDP. gkrieg then said that he wanted to lynch IDP more than me. If he had voted me, Robz would have come back and there would have been an EFHW lynch. I think TWM's vote for IDP was because the votes weren't there for me anymore.
@Robz Why did you say you preferred IDP lynch yet you had been voting me before?
I reread and yeah, I think you are right about that. I hadn't realized that both Galzria and Datswan were both on EFHW at the 4/4 stage.
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Sorry, caught up with work and fixing an AC unit. I'll be on tonight, tomorrow night and lots on Monday.
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so I reread O and he seems like normal O so we'll call that a null read and move on to someone else
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I've been doing re-reads too, but I'm too tired to go back and make myself less verbose right now, so I'll post in the morning. My use of the code box wasn't popular as an alternative to a wall of text, was it? (Even if made more succinct and relevant, it's still a but chunky).
In other news, there's a definite bug in the numbers i posted for likelihoods of various roles, which I'm embarrassed about. I knew I didn't have enough awkeness in me tonight to finish that and do some re-reading, so I propritised the letter.
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Kay... a few things:
1) there was this post:
vote: EFHW. Prefer to IDPTG.
2) Then there was this post:
wiat didnt you say you preferred IDP to EFHW?
No.
-- Now Town changes the mind all the time - but he said "no". Just untrue. He absolutely said that he would "Prefer to IDPTG".--
3) Then there is this:
all you galz.. I know you want it.
This is stupid.
Not you, the lynch.
I cannot believe people prefer this to EFHW
- So like, yeah time had passed but nothing had really surfaced on EFHW. Why is it "we need to do IDP" and then all of a sudden "I can't believe we are doing IDP instead of EFHW?". Then he ends up on EFHW?
But like then there is this...
all you galz.. I know you want it.
This is stupid.
Not you, the lynch.
I cannot believe people prefer this to EFHW
There's no case on IDPTG. And he's literally done the EXACT same thing he did in his last town game - RVS vote that stayed the entire time because it developed into a scum read.
So he has no case against him because he is acting EXACTLY THE SAME... but then (as this is the first of the quotes mentioned above) the rest followed.
Galz is the nutz at telling when Faust is off right? Faust was off... but not skum, just Town PR. Which skum would know is the only "off" option.
This is way to many changes on a potential TvT wagon situation than makes sense. Hell, it doesn't make sense in any scenario.
This seems like a lot over a small amount of interaction.
Vote: Galz
This is truly an impressive amount of analysis given that it’s based on your misreading “Prefer to idp” which is correctly interpreted as “I’m voting EFHW since I prefer her Lynch to idp’s”
I read it as “prefer to do IDP” as opposed to “preferred over IDP”.
Yes English is my primary language. This was just a stupid error. Sorry for time wasted.
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If datswan isn’t a native speaker I owe him an apology as the tongue in cheek tone I used would be pretty uncalled for.
nah we good man. I goofed on that one.
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(http://45.media.tumblr.com/a69923e25e5a29425c3c89985a864514/tumblr_n6naurcmMV1rm146oo1_500.gif)
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By the way. Hamilton.
AMAZE!
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Another question for datswan: can you please explain your vote on e from a little while ago?
Sure - I mean tbf it was a light vote, but the idea was...
1) 2.7 mentioned that he thought either Galz or I was Skum.
2) 2.7 posted a reads list way back on D1. He bumps it beginning of the day of day today. There are other things I will get to about it later, but in relevance to this question - he TRs me.
3) Then I turn skummy all of a sudden when he votes me. He follows this up with logic that I just utterly disagree with. And this is where it could just be bias... but as skum I try to get votes in on one of my partners ALL THE TIME. Great play for people that go back and read D1 later looking for voting tendencies.
Mainly it has to do with the fact that I do think Galz is skum. I planned to jump right back on Galz at the beginning of the day, but after the vote on me and the comment about one of us being skum I assumed it would give Skum too much of an avenue to wagon me if I went for Galz right there. Didn't like losing out on information I wanted to gather so I decided to bat a bush and see what happens. My #2 skum read jumped on the train and then I switched off to Galz.
That was the logic at the time. Should be noted that there has been time since the vote and now - and 2.7 has dropped far down on my skum radar list so to speak. More likely Town just trying to put something together.
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Another question for datswan: can you please explain your vote on e from a little while ago?
Sure - I mean tbf it was a light vote, but the idea was...
lalight isn't in the game!
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My #2 skum read jumped on the train and then I switched off to Galz.
Whose that? I don't see anyone else voting for 2.7.
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My #2 skum read jumped on the train and then I switched off to Galz.
Whose that? I don't see anyone else voting for 2.7.
Wow I have to stop posting from my phone. Thought Robz voted for E, not O.
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My #2 skum read jumped on the train and then I switched off to Galz.
Whose that? I don't see anyone else voting for 2.7.
Wow I have to stop posting from my phone. Thought Robz voted for E, not O.
Wassup Bitches!
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Sorry. I have been drinking. Again. And again.
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The only thing that would make Hamilton better is if Bojack Horseman was in it.
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Two more re-reads! Howcome mcmc had to die N1, and not someone else from the set of people I hadn't gone through in detail yet? :-( I still have EFHW, O and gkreig to do.
Galzria: Did the questions-in-thread thing early on that people thought sounded forced. Not sure whether or not I'd have asked stuff in-thread, but then I came in to the game knowing I'd written code to analyse this setup before. Jokes with e about being the SKand soemhow doesn't come away sounding. Calls Robz scummy for being meta-aware, but never votes. Scumreads TWM for his dama thing; pushes that case for quite a while. Eventually votes mcmc for defending TWM, saying he was pushing TWM to see how people reacted. Then after TWM votes EFHW, Galz immediately questions it.. so how much is scum-hunting and how much is actual TWM suspicion? Then has a big outage and a prod. I have mixed views about the thing where scum are more likely to want consolidation of wagons. I can kind of see where he's coming from, but scum are the ones who get to kill at night, so town's the side at the big disadvantage if we can't lynch people. #436: has Galz written a vote tracker, or spent a lot of time on this? Comes out strongly against lynching Robz or IDP, then unvotes. Feels out traction for O, then goes for e in retaliation for a post where e criticized him. Tries to encourage several of us to join the e wagon. I was actively re-reading at that point, but found e quite townie. Seems to be convinced that e could still be on the table a couple of hours before the deadline. Never gives a good explanation for why EFHW wasn't a good backup option for a lynch. Only one post so far in D2. Seems to be one of the more confident people here (particularly the thing about not believing his vote was malformed), but I'm not sure how alignment-indicative that sort of behaviour is for Galz.
Cuzz: Only 12 game posts! Nothing very useful in the four for D1 (mild townread on Robz). Comes into D2 admitting that he's not reading the full game, but that he's re-reading O because it might be scum!O. Then immediately calls Datswan scummy too. Agrees with O on something, asks Datswan a bunch of questions. Makes a minimal empty comment to Robz. Comes back and says that O is the normal O. He's only engaged/talked about Robz, O and Datswan in D2, and it's definitely not because others aren't posting. Is O too experienced to be super-cautious about mentioning scumbuddies in-thread or anything like that? (I'm not scum: he did answer a thing I'd said in D1!).
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Is O too experienced to be super-cautious about mentioning scumbuddies in-thread or anything like that? (I'm not scum: he did answer a thing I'd said in D1!).
Not entirely sure what this is asking... but to answer I usually try to get super angry at my scumbuddies and get them lynched at least once in the early days of a game, more fun that way. On a more serious note, I tend to ignore who my scumbuddies are while i'm posting early days so I think I'm pretty good about not avoiding them.
But if there's someone I've ignored this game let me know and I'll be happy to start trying to lynch them.
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I wonder if the easy explanation for why MCMC got killed is the right one.
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8 Chinese brothers,
well, there's a reason why the last is smiling wide
and sitting higher than the others,
swinging his arms.
(https://youtu.be/CaXvayF2vog?t=55)
Vote count 2.3
O (2): gkrieg13, Robz888
gkrieg13 (1): O
DatSwan (2): 2.71828..., The_Wine_Merchant
Galzria (1): DatSwan
not voting (6): SpaceAnemone, Galzria, Cuzz, EFHW
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, April 18 at 9pm forum time.
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I wonder if the easy explanation for why MCMC got killed is the right one.
Sometimes the hard thing and the right thing are the same thing.
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I wonder if the easy explanation for why MCMC got killed is the right one.
Sometimes the hard thing and the right thing are the same thing.
I nailed you last time as the SK at a point in the game where you later said you'd turned the scumminess up on your posts to draw early heat to avoid a later lynch (or something close to those lines). What's the take-home for game tone from this latest post from you here in this game?
Earlier you explicitly said that clutter is anti-town. Now I'm wondering precisely what you're intending as far as people reading you, and how that reflects on your alignment here.
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Vote: Robz
sometimes the stupid answer is the right answer. MCMC always seems to end up trying to lynch Robz out of brotherly love or something. It makes sense that scum!Robz, either SK or Mafia, would shoot MCMC.
Also agree re:Space that Robz seems almost intentionally cryptic. Also OMGUS.
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Vote: Robz
sometimes the stupid answer is the right answer. MCMC always seems to end up trying to lynch Robz out of brotherly love or something. It makes sense that scum!Robz, either SK or Mafia, would shoot MCMC.
Also agree re:Space that Robz seems almost intentionally cryptic. Also OMGUS.
My read on datswan has faded with his recent posts. Still on the scummy spectrum, but I am willing to go back and explore other options.
Vote: Robz
Also to note: we are sitting at 10 alive, 4 scum (3 mafia 1 SK). Mislynch with 2 town deaths leaves us with 7 alive, 3 scum, 1 SK. So today's lynch is critical to hit scum.
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Is O too experienced to be super-cautious about mentioning scumbuddies in-thread or anything like that? (I'm not scum: he did answer a thing I'd said in D1!).
Not entirely sure what this is asking... but to answer I usually try to get super angry at my scumbuddies and get them lynched at least once in the early days of a game, more fun that way. On a more serious note, I tend to ignore who my scumbuddies are while i'm posting early days so I think I'm pretty good about not avoiding them.
But if there's someone I've ignored this game let me know and I'll be happy to start trying to lynch them.
Reading back over what I wrote, I totally meant to ask that about Cuzz and not about you! I'd been noting Cuzz's behaviour towards you -- a drawn-out null of scumreading enough to announce his intent in-thread to re-read, and then rather later announcing lack of suspicion after all -- so I'd just typed "O" a bunch of times, and evidently forgotten how to type "Cuzz".
You yourself are my last big unknown, given that at least I felt an earlier scummy vibe from EFHW and townily-non-homicidal one from gkrieg. I'll remember to take a note of exactly who you ignore when I do my re-read...
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Vote: Robz is actually reasonable. I'd like him to reappear in the game and answer some questions at least.
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Vote: Robz is actually reasonable. I'd like him to reappear in the game and answer some questions at least.
What questions should I answer? EFHW asked me one, I answered it.
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Vote: Robz is actually reasonable. I'd like him to reappear in the game and answer some questions at least.
What questions should I answer? EFHW asked me one, I answered it.
How about stuff I asked at #628.
Also, your answer to EFHW could very easily be described as "lacklustre", but also as kind of misleading. I'd read your the sentence "I did state it publicly" to mean that you'd stated your reason not to vote EFHW publicly, since those were the lines along which EFHW's question was clearly heading. It turns out that as far as I can see, all you stated publicly was the sentence "I don’t like the EFHW wagon". Even then, you voted for her in the run-up to the D1 deadline. You still have "I have been forced to accept that lackluster play is a town tell for you" in your sig, but I also know you're a very meta-aware player, so I'm definitely not awarding any townpoints for that level of response.
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Vote: Robz is actually reasonable. I'd like him to reappear in the game and answer some questions at least.
What questions should I answer? EFHW asked me one, I answered it.
How about stuff I asked at #628.
Also, your answer to EFHW could very easily be described as "lacklustre", but also as kind of misleading. I'd read your the sentence "I did state it publicly" to mean that you'd stated your reason not to vote EFHW publicly, since those were the lines along which EFHW's question was clearly heading. It turns out that as far as I can see, all you stated publicly was the sentence "I don’t like the EFHW wagon". Even then, you voted for her in the run-up to the D1 deadline. You still have "I have been forced to accept that lackluster play is a town tell for you" in your sig, but I also know you're a very meta-aware player, so I'm definitely not awarding any townpoints for that level of response.
This is what I was referring to with EFHW:
unvote. Embarrassed to admit I conflated posts by e and Galzria. Galzria didn't claim to have ignored the setup, which was part of my "scumread".
A very townie admission I think.
But I'm wrong, in that it occurred before I voted EFHW anyway, because of her vote count correction-ing.
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I wonder if the easy explanation for why MCMC got killed is the right one.
Sometimes the hard thing and the right thing are the same thing.
I nailed you last time as the SK at a point in the game where you later said you'd turned the scumminess up on your posts to draw early heat to avoid a later lynch (or something close to those lines). What's the take-home for game tone from this latest post from you here in this game?
Earlier you explicitly said that clutter is anti-town. Now I'm wondering precisely what you're intending as far as people reading you, and how that reflects on your alignment here.
Is there an actual question in there?
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You would probably die before you shot up 9 miles high,
your eyes dilated as light plays upon the sight
of TVC16 as it sings you goodnight.
Relaxed as hell and locked up in cell 45,
I hope you're feeling better.
(https://youtu.be/CaXvayF2vog?t=73)
Vote count 2.4
O (2): gkrieg13, Robz888
DatSwan (1): The_Wine_Merchant
Galzria (1): DatSwan
Robz888 (3): O, 2.71828..., SpaceAnemone
not voting (3): Galzria, Cuzz, EFHW
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, April 18 at 9pm forum time.
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Here, how about telling us who your top 3 town and top 3 scum are
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I wonder if the easy explanation for why MCMC got killed is the right one.
Sometimes the hard thing and the right thing are the same thing.
I nailed you last time as the SK at a point in the game where you later said you'd turned the scumminess up on your posts to draw early heat to avoid a later lynch (or something close to those lines). What's the take-home for game tone from this latest post from you here in this game?
Earlier you explicitly said that clutter is anti-town. Now I'm wondering precisely what you're intending as far as people reading you, and how that reflects on your alignment here.
Is there an actual question in there?
... the one with the question mark on the end is a question. It's a little clumsy in wording, because I had been referring to another game in the previous sentence, and I prefer to avoid ambiguity, but it's definitely following the grammatical structure of a question.
Let's try re-phrasing: what did you expect people to get from #627, in terms of how others would perceive your alignment in this game? Was it meant to play to your "lackluster" town-meta? Were you even referring back to the point about mcmc being a target because apparently he reads gkrieg well (which is what I assume O is referring to), or trying to sound mysterious and simultaneously distracting from useful conversation?
Yes, now it's turned onto three questions...
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vote: Robz
I think O is still scum though.
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It sure has been a slow weekend
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Here, how about telling us who your top 3 town and top 3 scum are
Is this directed at me? I don't comply with this kind of busy work requirement. If you want my general impressions, here:
Galz was right about IDP as it turned out, but I don't know, I sort of feel like he was doing the whole "look at me, being against this lynch, town laments, ahhh" thing that scum can do confidently because they know who is scum and who is town. So I am scum reading Galz.
I am also scum reading O, way way more than I am scumreading gkrieg.
TWM and Space feel townie. Cuzz being hopelessly out of it seems more townie than scummy.
Not sure about 2.7 and DatSwan.
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unvote. Embarrassed to admit I conflated posts by e and Galzria. Galzria didn't claim to have ignored the setup, which was part of my "scumread".
A very townie admission I think.
But I'm wrong, in that it occurred before I voted EFHW anyway, because of her vote count correction-ing.
Right. So I'm still interested in the answer to my question. Now it is two questions - why did you vote me after having found me townie 4 days before? And what prompted your switch to IDP, with the comment that you much preferred his lynch?
3rd question - how does my vote count correcting fit in?
Vote: EFHW
vote: IDP
Muh preferred lynch
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unvote. Embarrassed to admit I conflated posts by e and Galzria. Galzria didn't claim to have ignored the setup, which was part of my "scumread".
A very townie admission I think.
But I'm wrong, in that it occurred before I voted EFHW anyway, because of her vote count correction-ing.
Right. So I'm still interested in the answer to my question. Now it is two questions - why did you vote me after having found me townie 4 days before? And what prompted your switch to IDP, with the comment that you much preferred his lynch?
3rd question - how does my vote count correcting fit in?
Vote: EFHW
vote: IDP
Muh preferred lynch
It occurred to me that scum was more likely to point out errors n the vote count, which you did, which soured my earlier declaration of you being town. Then I went back to IDP because at least you were, you know, contributing.
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vote: Robz L-1
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I am a Vanilla Townie.
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Antagonistic Robz = PR!Robz or Scum!Robz, not VT Robz. No reason to vote for me and outright refuse to provide a reason when asked if he was a VT, refusing to answer e's question, etc.
I admit it weirded me out how quickly people joined my wagon but only Gkrieg is a scumread among them: EFHW, e, Space all read townie to me -- though e always does. Maybe I'm getting played but I really do think Robz would be playing exceptionally poorly for his norm if he was VT right here.
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It is a very interesting wagon. It took a while, but there were very few posts in that time
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Antagonistic Robz = PR!Robz or Scum!Robz, not VT Robz. No reason to vote for me and outright refuse to provide a reason when asked if he was a VT, refusing to answer e's question, etc.
I admit it weirded me out how quickly people joined my wagon but only Gkrieg is a scumread among them: EFHW, e, Space all read townie to me -- though e always does. Maybe I'm getting played but I really do think Robz would be playing exceptionally poorly for his norm if he was VT right here.
I love being blamed for my own lynch. What is so terrible about my play? Not having a perfect reason for switching from IDP to EFHW on Day 1?
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It is a very interesting wagon. It took a while, but there were very few posts in that time
What is this supposed to mean?
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vote: Robz
Hammertime.
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Look for scum to hammer me here. It’s an easy thing to do, you won’t be blamed later. No one. It was *my* fault after all.
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Galz is scum.
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Galz is absolutely positively scum. I am essentially a cop with a guilty result.
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That hammer seemed...premature. I almost unvoted earlier today or posted something about not shortening the day too much
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hm..
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Galz is absolutely positively scum. I am essentially a cop with a guilty result.
Don't understand this bit here about being essentially a cop
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Galz is absolutely positively scum. I am essentially a cop with a guilty result.
Don't understand this bit here about being essentially a cop
He thinks Galz's hammer was a scumtell. Not sure it wasn't, assuming Robz flips town.
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Obviously the flip is important, but if Robz is scum i really hope the SK shoots scum.
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Obviously the flip is important, but if Robz is scum i really hope the SK shoots scum.
*town
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Obviously the flip is important, but if Robz is scum i really hope the SK shoots scum.
*town
If robz is town
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Galz is absolutely positively scum. I am essentially a cop with a guilty result.
Don't understand this bit here about being essentially a cop
He thinks Galz's hammer was a scumtell. Not sure it wasn't, assuming Robz flips town.
I don't think it is a safe assumption that Robz flips town.
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Galz is absolutely positively scum. I am essentially a cop with a guilty result.
Don't understand this bit here about being essentially a cop
He thinks Galz's hammer was a scumtell. Not sure it wasn't, assuming Robz flips town.
I don't think it is a safe assumption that Robz flips town.
no but if I had to guess the most reasonable explanation for the hammer, it's town robz and scum galz.
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actually that's perhaps not true.. would mafia!Galz want to attract a likely SK kill by hammering quickly right here? Scum are put in a pretty good position but its always questionable to pseudo-sacrifice a player. Unless mafia knows who the SK is and wants to RB them anyways..?
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Galz is absolutely positively scum. I am essentially a cop with a guilty result.
Don't understand this bit here about being essentially a cop
He thinks Galz's hammer was a scumtell. Not sure it wasn't, assuming Robz flips town.
I don't think it is a safe assumption that Robz flips town.
Nor I. And Robz play today has been intentionally cryptic, noncommittal, and at times seemingly intentionally provocative. As (EFHW?) said earlier - Robz last game admitted to intentionally trying to draw attention because he felt he could argue off his lynch and coast to easy days later. He didn't offer an explanation for his gameplay here when it was brought up, and in fact intentionally ignored the point.
I'm far more convinced of his likelihood to flip scum than IDPTG, which I stand by being a horrendous lynch, and I will not let him spin that wagon to paint me scummy for calling it such.
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Galz is absolutely positively scum. I am essentially a cop with a guilty result.
Don't understand this bit here about being essentially a cop
He thinks Galz's hammer was a scumtell. Not sure it wasn't, assuming Robz flips town.
I don't think it is a safe assumption that Robz flips town.
Nor I. And Robz play today has been intentionally cryptic, noncommittal, and at times seemingly intentionally provocative. As (EFHW?) said earlier - Robz last game admitted to intentionally trying to draw attention because he felt he could argue off his lynch and coast to easy days later. He didn't offer an explanation for his gameplay here when it was brought up, and in fact intentionally ignored the point.
I'm far more convinced of his likelihood to flip scum than IDPTG, which I stand by being a horrendous lynch, and I will not let him spin that wagon to paint me scummy for calling it such.
why not announce intent to hammer? I get robz had already claimed VT but still, town players dont have much to fear from longer decision making times.
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Galz is absolutely positively scum. I am essentially a cop with a guilty result.
Don't understand this bit here about being essentially a cop
He thinks Galz's hammer was a scumtell. Not sure it wasn't, assuming Robz flips town.
I don't think it is a safe assumption that Robz flips town.
Nor I. And Robz play today has been intentionally cryptic, noncommittal, and at times seemingly intentionally provocative. As (EFHW?) said earlier - Robz last game admitted to intentionally trying to draw attention because he felt he could argue off his lynch and coast to easy days later. He didn't offer an explanation for his gameplay here when it was brought up, and in fact intentionally ignored the point.
I'm far more convinced of his likelihood to flip scum than IDPTG, which I stand by being a horrendous lynch, and I will not let him spin that wagon to paint me scummy for calling it such.
why not announce intent to hammer? I get robz had already claimed VT but still, town players dont have much to fear from longer decision making times.
Because town has tenancy to get cold feet, something I'm sure he was banking on.
If I had announced intent, do you believe nobody would've unvoted?
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Galz is absolutely positively scum. I am essentially a cop with a guilty result.
Don't understand this bit here about being essentially a cop
He thinks Galz's hammer was a scumtell. Not sure it wasn't, assuming Robz flips town.
I don't think it is a safe assumption that Robz flips town.
Nor I. And Robz play today has been intentionally cryptic, noncommittal, and at times seemingly intentionally provocative. As (EFHW?) said earlier - Robz last game admitted to intentionally trying to draw attention because he felt he could argue off his lynch and coast to easy days later. He didn't offer an explanation for his gameplay here when it was brought up, and in fact intentionally ignored the point.
I'm far more convinced of his likelihood to flip scum than IDPTG, which I stand by being a horrendous lynch, and I will not let him spin that wagon to paint me scummy for calling it such.
why not announce intent to hammer? I get robz had already claimed VT but still, town players dont have much to fear from longer decision making times.
Because town has tenancy to get cold feet, something I'm sure he was banking on.
If I had announced intent, do you believe nobody would've unvoted?
I mean me and e demonstrated our lack of intent to unvote and EFHW put him to L-1, so I do think it's pretty likely it would have went through.
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Antagonistic Robz = PR!Robz or Scum!Robz, not VT Robz. No reason to vote for me and outright refuse to provide a reason when asked if he was a VT, refusing to answer e's question, etc.
I admit it weirded me out how quickly people joined my wagon but only Gkrieg is a scumread among them: EFHW, e, Space all read townie to me -- though e always does. Maybe I'm getting played but I really do think Robz would be playing exceptionally poorly for his norm if he was VT right here.
I love being blamed for my own lynch. What is so terrible about my play? Not having a perfect reason for switching from IDP to EFHW on Day 1?
I'm pretty sure I didn't mention IDP or EFHW and did mention your refusal to list reads or give an explanation for your vote on me, btw
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maaaan...
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Galz is absolutely positively scum. I am essentially a cop with a guilty result.
Don't understand this bit here about being essentially a cop
He thinks Galz's hammer was a scumtell. Not sure it wasn't, assuming Robz flips town.
I don't think it is a safe assumption that Robz flips town.
Nor I. And Robz play today has been intentionally cryptic, noncommittal, and at times seemingly intentionally provocative. As (EFHW?) said earlier - Robz last game admitted to intentionally trying to draw attention because he felt he could argue off his lynch and coast to easy days later. He didn't offer an explanation for his gameplay here when it was brought up, and in fact intentionally ignored the point.
I'm far more convinced of his likelihood to flip scum than IDPTG, which I stand by being a horrendous lynch, and I will not let him spin that wagon to paint me scummy for calling it such.
why not announce intent to hammer? I get robz had already claimed VT but still, town players dont have much to fear from longer decision making times.
Because town has tenancy to get cold feet, something I'm sure he was banking on.
If I had announced intent, do you believe nobody would've unvoted?
I would have been very tempted to unvote
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All in all, I like the adhesive play from Galzria regardless of his alignment and the flip.
I feel like it is the type of play people generally get in trouble for, and I respect people who go out on the line like that.
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doesn't mean he isn't scum though. We just need a flip now
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Might be Galz is mafia and he legit thought I am the SK because my play here appeared somewhat similar to last game (accidentally so—I did not draw suspicion on purpose like last game and am a bit mystified this happened).
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Fine with the lynch but would’ve appreciated it not to be on the weekend when people don’t generally go back and reread things.
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I don't mind weekends (I'm more likely to have free time at a weekend than during the week), but overnight deadlines, and waking up to a lynch that happened when it wasn't even a deadline(!) are difficult. Galz could maybe do a better job of explaining why that happened.
I still think Robz has a strong chance of flipping as some sort of scum. He's been super-evasive and barely contributed to scum-hunting at all except by retrospective explanation that some of his early wagon-jumping was meant to be provoking responses. I don't really get the motivation for mafia!Robz or SK!Robz to play it so close to the last game, but exactly the same can be said for town!Robz, and "playing for his next scum game" is not a meta I agree with. How long till we see the flip??
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You were caught kissing 8 Chinese brothers.
But there's a reason why the last is smiling wide and sitting higher than the others,
Stinking with charm. And he says, "Lets get lost, let them send out alarms."
He says, "Let's get crossed out and come to harm.
Lets make the world's stupidest stand and truly mean it.
Let's hit the limit of loss over lover's arms...
...no, let's exceed it."
(https://youtu.be/CaXvayF2vog?t=168)
Day 2 Final Vote Count
O (1): Robz888
DatSwan (1): The_Wine_Merchant
Galzria (1): DatSwan
Robz888 (6): O, 2.71828..., SpaceAnemone, gkrieg13, EFHW, Galzria
not voting (1): Cuzz
With 10 alive, it took 6 to lynch.
Thread Locked.
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So does the ink dry out?
So does the singing mouth get sung up?
So does the new headline no longer reach the town?
So does the rosy fire of the horizon fade into dull grey
While the trees out by the parking lot get greener with the rain?
(https://youtu.be/w18kH2KdfS8?t=20)
Robz888 was a Vanilla Townie!
I'm coming into your town. Night is falling to the ground.
But I can still see where you loved yourself
before he tore it all down.
(https://youtu.be/9K7RokHjYd4?t=13)
Night Two begins now and last until April 18, ~8:30AM forum time. Night actions are due by April 18 at 12:30AM forum time.
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And at the funeral the university
cried at three poems they'd present in place of a broken me.
I was breaking in a case of suds
at the brass rail, a fall-down drunk
[...]
and I knew that my last lines were gone
while stupidly I lingered on.
Other wise men know
when it's time to go and so I should too.
(https://youtu.be/nOK7ownE3Hg?t=70)
2.71828... has died in the night. He was John Allyn Smith, a drunk.
Remember when our so-called friend would not call out to you
while tumbling loosely out a hole punched through your home?
(https://youtu.be/OphOQn1RvcU)
Day 3 Starts now!
Vote count 3.0
not voting (8): The_Wine_Merchant, DatSwan, SpaceAnemone, Galzria, Cuzz, EFHW, O, Gkrieg13
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, April 25 at 8:30am forum time.
Thread unlocked!
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That’s four letters. That means scum has some stronger powers.
Also the one night kill probably means that scum blocked SK or shot SK, so they probably know who the SK is. Which also means we are at MYLO
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1. Robz Vanilla Town T
2. IDontPlayThisGame Vanilla Town T
3. McMcsalot Universal Backup L
4. e Drunk {PP or OO, less likely LLLL}
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12. Faust Tracker (not Will Sheff) O
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That’s four letters. That means scum has some stronger powers.
Also the one night kill probably means that scum blocked SK or shot SK, so they probably know who the SK is. Which also means we are at MYLO
I don't think 1 nk means scum know who the SK is. e could have targeted one nk target and also been the target for the other party, or just been targeted by both. Shooting the SK wouldn't have stopped the SK kill.
Daunting to know that 50% of "town" are actually not.
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That’s four letters. That means scum has some stronger powers.
Also could be 3 letters (L and 2 O's).
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That’s four letters. That means scum has some stronger powers.
Also could be 3 letters (L and 2 O's).
The letter for the SK
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That’s four letters. That means scum has some stronger powers.
Also the one night kill probably means that scum blocked SK or shot SK, so they probably know who the SK is. Which also means we are at MYLO
I don't think 1 nk means scum know who the SK is. e could have targeted one nk target and also been the target for the other party, or just been targeted by both. Shooting the SK wouldn't have stopped the SK kill.
Daunting to know that 50% of "town" are actually not.
E being targeted by both kills is the only way that mafia don’t know SK. If they shot the SK it doesn’t block their kill, but it does block mafia’s kill (in the sense that SK is bulletproof
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I’ll do rereads later this week probably.
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That’s four letters. That means scum has some stronger powers.
Also the one night kill probably means that scum blocked SK or shot SK, so they probably know who the SK is. Which also means we are at MYLO
I don't think 1 nk means scum know who the SK is. e could have targeted one nk target and also been the target for the other party, or just been targeted by both. Shooting the SK wouldn't have stopped the SK kill.
Daunting to know that 50% of "town" are actually not.
E being targeted by both kills is the only way that mafia don’t know SK. If they shot the SK it doesn’t block their kill, but it does block mafia’s kill (in the sense that SK is bulletproof
Ok, that works.
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1. Robz Vanilla Town T
2. IDontPlayThisGame Vanilla Town T
3. McMcsalot Universal Backup L
4. e Drunk {PP or OO, less likely LLLL}
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12. Faust Tracker (not Will Sheff) O
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?? Unknown SK S
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1. Robz Vanilla Town T
2. IDontPlayThisGame Vanilla Town T
3. McMcsalot Universal Backup L
4. e Drunk {PP or OO, less likely LLLL}
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12. Faust Tracker (not Will Sheff) O or LL
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?? Unknown SK S
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Is there some reason you two have discounted bulletproofer?
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Is there some reason you two have discounted bulletproofer?
Nope.
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I feel like we should not overthink this and just lynch Galz. We’re kinda screwed anyway.
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I feel like we should not overthink this and just lynch Galz. We’re kinda screwed anyway.
Ok so Cuzz is town because scum would never plunge directly in like this.
Also, I do mostly agree.
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Is there some reason you two have discounted bulletproofer?
Nope.
Nope. I just think the other reasons are more likely.
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I think it is probably time for a massclaim. We have a chance to make the lynch pool smaller here. I do agree with Cuzz.
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oh wow Gkrieg and EHFW have had some terribley wrong analysis.
1. Robz Vanilla Town T
2. IDontPlayThisGame Vanilla Town T
There isn't a 1:1 correspondence of rolls: roles. EG: GG = 1 Dayvig. So I'm pretty positive that you can't confirm a T role for each VT that flips
E being targeted by both kills is the only way that mafia don’t know SK. If they shot the SK it doesn’t block their kill, but it does block mafia’s kill (in the sense that SK is bulletproof
Besides the bulletproofer I already mentioned, mafia seem to be pretttyyy likely to have a one shot rolestopper?
So a possible outcome is that mafia rolestopped the SK victim
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I think it is probably time for a massclaim. We have a chance to make the lynch pool smaller here. I do agree with Cuzz.
I think we should not massclaim and actually lynch Gkrieg instead.
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Maybe still lynch Galzria, but under no circumstances massclaim.
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Agree with O about mass claim. Town with helpful information can decide when the nest time is to speak up.
What is another way someone could flip vt?
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oh wow Gkrieg and EHFW have had some terribley wrong analysis.
1. Robz Vanilla Town T
2. IDontPlayThisGame Vanilla Town T
There isn't a 1:1 correspondence of rolls: roles. EG: GG = 1 Dayvig. So I'm pretty positive that you can't confirm a T role for each VT that flips
E being targeted by both kills is the only way that mafia don’t know SK. If they shot the SK it doesn’t block their kill, but it does block mafia’s kill (in the sense that SK is bulletproof
Besides the bulletproofer I already mentioned, mafia seem to be pretttyyy likely to have a one shot rolestopper?
So a possible outcome is that mafia rolestopped the SK victim
The analysis of mine is saying that there are at least 4 letters accounted for, which means that at most there are 2 Ts. I get that roles aren't 1:1, but if you actually read the setup, you will see that for the town PRs that have flipped, there is no way to get those PRs with fewer than 4 letters. That means that mafia has one of:
TT: Tracker OR Townrole Cop, 1-shot Roleblocker, 1-shot Rolestopper, one randomly chosen mafia is hidden Commuter
T: Tracker OR Townrole Cop, Roleblocker and Rolestopper with 5 communal shots, hidden Commuter
0T: Tracker OR Townrole Cop, Roleblocker and Rolestopper with 5 communal shots, hidden Commuter, Daytalk for Day 3 only
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I think it is probably time for a massclaim. We have a chance to make the lynch pool smaller here. I do agree with Cuzz.
I think we should not massclaim and actually lynch Gkrieg instead.
Really? The fact that I propose a massclaim is reason enough to lynch me?
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It's also possible that SK knows who one member of the mafia is, because mafia has a hidden commuter on one of them.
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Agree with O about mass claim. Town with helpful information can decide when the nest time is to speak up.
What is another way someone could flip vt?
Am I misreading the setup? There are only 6 rolls of the numbers for the 10 town (or sk) players. You could have zero "t" rolls and have GGGGOO to get:
Tracker, Named Tracker, Drunk, Dayvig, Dayvig and 5 VTs.
PPE: Ah, the claim is that there are at most two T rolls, not at least. That's much more believable although I haven't gone through that yet.
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Look, I know the hammer (in light of Robz' flip) looks scummy as hell - but why the *&%$ would scum!Galz have needed or wanted to do that there? Like, what's the winning strategy for him there? Yeah, it sucks that Robz flipped town - but I wasn't the only one who believed that there was a decent chance that he wouldn't.
IF YOU LYNCH ME HERE:
D3:
4 Town
3 Mafia
1 SK
N3:
3 Town
3 Mafia
1 SK
*Mafia likely know who the SK is at this point. If we are in a 1T or 0T game, they can likely block the SK kill N3, and shoot town.
D4:
2 Town
3 Mafia
1SK
Mafia will win out by default here. It's a forced no-lynch, Mafia can (likely) block SK again N4, and then lynch him D5.
If we are in a 2T game, then there are a few ways N3 could break down:
"The best case" - N3: Mafia shoots the SK, SK shoots Mafia (and doesn't hit the hidden commuter):
D4:
3 Town
2 Mafia
1 SK
This at least allows town the option to lynch Mafia still (SK lynch = town loss). Mafia could then kill the SK at night, and if the SK kills the final Mafia then town wins. If SK kills town here then we go to the final day in traditional LyLo - 2 Town 1 Mafia.
"The second best case": Mafia shoots town, SK shoots Mafia (and doesn't hit the hidden commuter)
D4:
2 Town
2 Mafia
1 SK
Here town could still lynch Mafia with the help of the SK.
N4:
2 Town
1 Mafia
1 SK
Rock-Paper-Scissors? If the Mafioso is the Hidden Commuter that favors Mafia. If the SK is still Bullet Proof that favors SK. Either way doesn't look SUUUUUPER great for town, but it's town's best chance.
Almost all other options for a 2T game result in a town loss.
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My recommendation here is that if you are all dead set on lynching me, you should have a DayVig (if there is one) shoot me first. This resets the vote count and continues the day without putting us to night and allowing for the SK/Mafia to shoot. This will then continue the day with the following setup:
D3:
3 Town (DayVig IC, Named Tracker can claim)
3 Mafia
1 SK
While this is strictly worse than what we have now - at least you won't have a full cycle of night kills following a town lynch. If you think I'm the SK here then shooting me will burn my bullet-proof and leave us right where we started except I'm now exposed to Mafia NK. And if nothing else, you end up with 2 of the 3 town remaining as IC's, which is going to give you the best chances going forward (as SK still needs to shoot Mafia each night, at most 1 town can die to Mafia kills nightly).
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That said, if there IS a DayVig, what would be FAR better than shooting me here is shooting Mafia. I think regardless (and those with better game theory than I, feel free to input thoughts here): Should we have the votes for a lynch, we should give any potential DayVig the opportunity to shoot that person first, rather than risking the night cycle of kills.
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Look, I know the hammer (in light of Robz' flip) looks scummy as hell - but why the *&%$ would scum!Galz have needed or wanted to do that there? Like, what's the winning strategy for him there? Yeah, it sucks that Robz flipped town - but I wasn't the only one who believed that there was a decent chance that he wouldn't.
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I'm pretty sure scum starting the day with 7 people alive and 3 of them scum is pretty good for them. I also think that you would have an identical opening post today if you were scum here.
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Look, I know the hammer (in light of Robz' flip) looks scummy as hell - but why the *&%$ would scum!Galz have needed or wanted to do that there? Like, what's the winning strategy for him there? Yeah, it sucks that Robz flipped town - but I wasn't the only one who believed that there was a decent chance that he wouldn't.
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I'm pretty sure scum starting the day with 7 people alive and 3 of them scum is pretty good for them. I also think that you would have an identical opening post today if you were scum here.
Yes, it is good for them. I acknowledged as much. Do you have a point? It's also FAR better for them to have 8 alive, with 3 scum, and lynch town. Hence all that goodness of the "snip" you put in there.
Unwritten insinuation in bold: You know that I'm not.
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Right, this should be solving time! I'm definitely going to weigh in on the solving chat as soon as I'm sure my probabilities thing is right.
I started fixing it overnight, but got lazy/busy and figured it was optimal to wait till I was sure I'm still alive... the fact that both gkrieg and Galz seem to have put a load of time into thinking this out when they're both people who as town should be more worried about being the NK than I am is not an encouraging sign.
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Look, I know the hammer (in light of Robz' flip) looks scummy as hell - but why the *&%$ would scum!Galz have needed or wanted to do that there? Like, what's the winning strategy for him there? Yeah, it sucks that Robz flipped town - but I wasn't the only one who believed that there was a decent chance that he wouldn't.
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I'm pretty sure scum starting the day with 7 people alive and 3 of them scum is pretty good for them. I also think that you would have an identical opening post today if you were scum here.
Yes, it is good for them. I acknowledged as much. Do you have a point? It's also FAR better for them to have 8 alive, with 3 scum, and lynch town. Hence all that goodness of the "snip" you put in there.
Unwritten insinuation in bold: You know that I'm not.
In your post you were assuming you were town, which was most of your argument. Saying that it was better to lynch scum than it is to lynch you because you are town. I was only saying that I would expect you to make that exact post as scum.
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Right, this should be solving time! I'm definitely going to weigh in on the solving chat as soon as I'm sure my probabilities thing is right.
I started fixing it overnight, but got lazy/busy and figured it was optimal to wait till I was sure I'm still alive... the fact that both gkrieg and Galz seem to have put a load of time into thinking this out when they're both people who as town should be more worried about being the NK than I am is not an encouraging sign.
I obviously haven't put that much time into thinking anything out. I saw that there was only one night kill and that a PR died and could very quickly look at the setup and conclude that we have 4 letters accounted for and that it is likely (obviously there are other possibilities) that mafia know who SK is or SK knows who mafia is.
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@Gkrieg
Why did you think proposing a massclaim was remotely a reasonable option, and why do you think I should not just try to lynch you for SK + potential Dayvig hunting as scum?
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Ugh Gkrieg is so freaking scummy but if I distract from a Galz lynch and he's scum I'm either immediately losing the game or getting myself lynched later and losing the game.
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Look, I know the hammer (in light of Robz' flip) looks scummy as hell - but why the *&%$ would scum!Galz have needed or wanted to do that there? Like, what's the winning strategy for him there? Yeah, it sucks that Robz flipped town - but I wasn't the only one who believed that there was a decent chance that he wouldn't.
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I'm pretty sure scum starting the day with 7 people alive and 3 of them scum is pretty good for them. I also think that you would have an identical opening post today if you were scum here.
Yes, it is good for them. I acknowledged as much. Do you have a point? It's also FAR better for them to have 8 alive, with 3 scum, and lynch town. Hence all that goodness of the "snip" you put in there.
Unwritten insinuation in bold: You know that I'm not.
In your post you were assuming you were town, which was most of your argument. Saying that it was better to lynch scum than it is to lynch you because you are town. I was only saying that I would expect you to make that exact post as scum.
I don't think so - but that's not something I can really prove. More though, it misses the point of my post:
Obviously it's "better to lynch scum than it is to lynch me because I'm town" - that isn't the take away you (or anybody) should be having. That's a pointless statement. Lynching town here in a 0T or 1T game means game over, period. Lynching town here in a 2T game still leaves outs, but not great ones. The take away is that if there's a Vig, they should shoot me over lynching "me" (and "me" here is actually generic - They should shoot any player over a lynch here, as it's effectively a lynch with no night cycle). I was primarily focused on myself as an example because (A) I know that I'm town, and (B):
I feel like we should not overthink this and just lynch Galz. We’re kinda screwed anyway.
I feel like we should not overthink this and just lynch Galz. We’re kinda screwed anyway.
Ok so Cuzz is town because scum would never plunge directly in like this.
Also, I do mostly agree.
I think it is probably time for a massclaim. We have a chance to make the lynch pool smaller here. I do agree with Cuzz.
Add in the fact that Swan is probably also going to continue gunning for my lynch (He's been doing so since D1) and we haven't heard from EFHW, Space, or TWM on this and, well...
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From the non-Galz perspective scum would bus you anyways.
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From the non-Galz perspective scum would bus you anyways.
I agree.
I'm perfect lynch-bait because yes, if I were scum, you're right that they would.
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@Gkrieg
Why did you think proposing a massclaim was remotely a reasonable option, and why do you think I should not just try to lynch you for SK + potential Dayvig hunting as scum?
How is proposing a massclaim SK or dayvig hunting?
We are at MYLO. The only PR that we are sure we have is a named tracker (slight chance that they are a JK instead). It is generally within town's interest to do a massclaim at MYLO, seeing as we need to lynch correctly to win. Unfortunately SK really makes things more difficult. Even if we lynch scum today, we aren't assured to not lose tomorrow. At this point we need to lynch mafia and also give the SK enough information to kill mafia as well.
It is definitely a reasonable option, you can't say stuff like "remotely a reasonable option" without saying why it is so outlandish.
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Ugh Gkrieg is so freaking scummy but if I distract from a Galz lynch and he's scum I'm either immediately losing the game or getting myself lynched later and losing the game.
What does this even mean. How am I scummy, and if I were scum, how does lynching me instead of Galzria actually change anything? And what do you mean by getting yourself lynched later?
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Look, I know the hammer (in light of Robz' flip) looks scummy as hell - but why the *&%$ would scum!Galz have needed or wanted to do that there? Like, what's the winning strategy for him there? Yeah, it sucks that Robz flipped town - but I wasn't the only one who believed that there was a decent chance that he wouldn't.
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I'm pretty sure scum starting the day with 7 people alive and 3 of them scum is pretty good for them. I also think that you would have an identical opening post today if you were scum here.
Yes, it is good for them. I acknowledged as much. Do you have a point? It's also FAR better for them to have 8 alive, with 3 scum, and lynch town. Hence all that goodness of the "snip" you put in there.
Unwritten insinuation in bold: You know that I'm not.
In your post you were assuming you were town, which was most of your argument. Saying that it was better to lynch scum than it is to lynch you because you are town. I was only saying that I would expect you to make that exact post as scum.
I don't think so - but that's not something I can really prove. More though, it misses the point of my post:
Obviously it's "better to lynch scum than it is to lynch me because I'm town" - that isn't the take away you (or anybody) should be having. That's a pointless statement. Lynching town here in a 0T or 1T game means game over, period. Lynching town here in a 2T game still leaves outs, but not great ones. The take away is that if there's a Vig, they should shoot me over lynching "me" (and "me" here is actually generic - They should shoot any player over a lynch here, as it's effectively a lynch with no night cycle). I was primarily focused on myself as an example because (A) I know that I'm town, and (B):
I feel like we should not overthink this and just lynch Galz. We’re kinda screwed anyway.
I feel like we should not overthink this and just lynch Galz. We’re kinda screwed anyway.
Ok so Cuzz is town because scum would never plunge directly in like this.
Also, I do mostly agree.
I think it is probably time for a massclaim. We have a chance to make the lynch pool smaller here. I do agree with Cuzz.
Add in the fact that Swan is probably also going to continue gunning for my lynch (He's been doing so since D1) and we haven't heard from EFHW, Space, or TWM on this and, well...
Yes I got that takeaway. I just remember watching you in the large Robz game (I think 100) having almost the exact same post coming into a day where town was down when you were scum. Your post reminded me a lot of that game.
There probably isn't a dayvig anyway, so all this speculation about one is very interesting.
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From the non-Galz perspective scum would bus you anyways.
I agree.
I'm perfect lynch-bait because yes, if I were scum, you're right that they would.
I'm mean galzria you opened the day saying I am too scummy to be scum. What would you expect? You also kind of quickhammered Robz with not great reasoning at a time when not a lot of people were around (weekends aren't the best for anyone).
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@Gkrieg
Why did you think proposing a massclaim was remotely a reasonable option, and why do you think I should not just try to lynch you for SK + potential Dayvig hunting as scum?
How is proposing a massclaim SK or dayvig hunting?
We are at MYLO. The only PR that we are sure we have is a named tracker (slight chance that they are a JK instead). It is generally within town's interest to do a massclaim at MYLO, seeing as we need to lynch correctly to win. Unfortunately SK really makes things more difficult. Even if we lynch scum today, we aren't assured to not lose tomorrow. At this point we need to lynch mafia and also give the SK enough information to kill mafia as well.
It is definitely a reasonable option, you can't say stuff like "remotely a reasonable option" without saying why it is so outlandish.
Can you even explain the potential benefits of a massclaim?
The potential harms:
1) Reveal our tracker
2) Depending on claiming order, take a pretty bad 50-50 if scum get a convincing first claim of tracker.
3) Reveal any potential remaining relevant PRs
4) Narrow down who the SK potentially is, who is probably a pseudo-Vig for us right now.
The potential benefits:
1) We get one named tracker as a pseudo-IC... if scum don't counterclaim or claim first
2) Scum probably hide as VT claims for the rest of them, which might narrow the pool, except most town and SK will probably also be claiming VT
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I've got a set of role distribution probabilities I'm moderately happy with now. It's somewhat weird, because the shape of the distribution is not quite not what I expected. I've more or less satisfied myself that it's correct, though, and that the game setup is just a little weird.
I think there are 14 possible combinations of roles left for the game, with each one arising from between 7 and 33 different starting rolls/W-substitutions. From these combinations, I derive the following:
Probability of 4 town roles is 16%.
Probability of 5 town roles is 57%.
Probability of 6 town roles is 27%.
These numbers don't include our named tracker, which means we have an 84% chance of at least two PRs.
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From the non-Galz perspective scum would bus you anyways.
I agree.
I'm perfect lynch-bait because yes, if I were scum, you're right that they would.
I'm mean galzria you opened the day saying I am too scummy to be scum. What would you expect? You also kind of quickhammered Robz with not great reasoning at a time when not a lot of people were around (weekends aren't the best for anyone).
Yeah this is basically my thought. Sometimes being super scummy and anti-town should get you lynched.
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From the non-Galz perspective scum would bus you anyways.
I agree.
I'm perfect lynch-bait because yes, if I were scum, you're right that they would.
I'm mean galzria you opened the day saying I am too scummy to be scum. What would you expect? You also kind of quickhammered Robz with not great reasoning at a time when not a lot of people were around (weekends aren't the best for anyone).
Yeah this is basically my thought. Sometimes being super scummy and anti-town should get you lynched.
wait we just tried this tho
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From the non-Galz perspective scum would bus you anyways.
I agree.
I'm perfect lynch-bait because yes, if I were scum, you're right that they would.
I'm mean galzria you opened the day saying I am too scummy to be scum. What would you expect? You also kind of quickhammered Robz with not great reasoning at a time when not a lot of people were around (weekends aren't the best for anyone).
Yeah this is basically my thought. Sometimes being super scummy and anti-town should get you lynched.
wait we just tried this tho
eh
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said it day 1. said it day 2. saying it now.
Vote:Galz
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From the non-Galz perspective scum would bus you anyways.
I agree.
I'm perfect lynch-bait because yes, if I were scum, you're right that they would.
I'm mean galzria you opened the day saying I am too scummy to be scum. What would you expect? You also kind of quickhammered Robz with not great reasoning at a time when not a lot of people were around (weekends aren't the best for anyone).
Also completely outside of Galz Town MO.
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I intend to vote Galz. Not doing so right now because 2 votes is technically kinda sorta quickhammer range.
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said it day 1. said it day 2. saying it now.
Vote:Galz
Surprise!
(Serious note: I need to look more into this - Swan is right. He came out D1 gunning for me and for Faust, two of the stronger town players. He's made multiple verifiably false statements and cases against me, and has pushed relentlessly in a way that really, just doesn't feel natural)
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From the non-Galz perspective scum would bus you anyways.
I agree.
I'm perfect lynch-bait because yes, if I were scum, you're right that they would.
I'm mean galzria you opened the day saying I am too scummy to be scum. What would you expect? You also kind of quickhammered Robz with not great reasoning at a time when not a lot of people were around (weekends aren't the best for anyone).
Also completely outside of Galz Town MO.
Such as this. This is exactly my Town MO as can been seen in literally my last two town games. Now, he could argue that I'm scum attempting to mimic my town MO - but that isn't the case he's made. He's said it ISN'T my town MO. False.
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I intend to vote Galz. Not doing so right now because 2 votes is technically kinda sorta quickhammer range.
The sad thing is, in M100, you were certain I was town - and that read lead to a town loss. Here, you're certain that I'm scum... which will (likely) lead to a town loss... which I guess if you're scum isn't all that bad for you haha.
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said it day 1. said it day 2. saying it now.
Vote:Galz
Surprise!
(Serious note: I need to look more into this - Swan is right. He came out D1 gunning for me and for Faust, two of the stronger town players. He's made multiple verifiably false statements and cases against me, and has pushed relentlessly in a way that really, just doesn't feel natural)
You two aren't really two of the stronger town players tho.
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From the non-Galz perspective scum would bus you anyways.
I agree.
I'm perfect lynch-bait because yes, if I were scum, you're right that they would.
I'm mean galzria you opened the day saying I am too scummy to be scum. What would you expect? You also kind of quickhammered Robz with not great reasoning at a time when not a lot of people were around (weekends aren't the best for anyone).
Yeah this is basically my thought. Sometimes being super scummy and anti-town should get you lynched.
I actually don't disagree. Just like I don't disagree with, you know, sometimes being a serial-lurker with no posts and content should get you lynched... But I would argue such things take a little more thought and consideration in a potential MyLo.
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Bleh.
I'm going to start looking at vote analysis in the hopes of actually finding Mafia here. I stand by my hammer of Robz yesterday. Yes, maybe it was "early in the day" still - but I thought that he would flip scum and also thought that NOT hammering him would lead to him getting off the hook. I ask anybody (well, everybody) that wants to vote me over that to really think about it and think of a GOOD narrative for scum!Galz to do that. Really really though. It's essentially putting me in a 1v1 trade with someone that scum!Galz would've known to most likely be town. It's just an awful play. If I end up being the lynch here.... well, I can't exactly blame anyone. I'll fight it, sure because if we're in a 0T or 1T setup my lynch means we lose - but really, a Vig (if they exist) should shoot me well before a lynch actually happens on me.
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Who do you think the SK shot, Galzria?
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I'm personally finding it less likely that e was the SK kill than the mafia kill.
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Comments on setup discussion from other people, and a couple of notes.
I like that O remembered about the 1-shot BP. There is a pretty good chance we have one. How likely they are to have used their shot last night and prevented a kill with it I'm not sure.
I think Galz's comments about dayvig have some merit. If enough people post an intent to vote for someone, and we have a dayvig, I think they should strongly consider using their power at that point.
EFHW's posts make me wonder if she's really as confused about the game setup as she's presenting herself to be.
Why is gkrieg pointing out at \715 that there's a chance of the named tracker being a JK, and not factoring JKing into the possibilities for where the missing NK went? Interesting fact: there is no possibility of having a JK given the flips, but I'm pretty sure gkrieg's presented analysis doesn't go far enough to conclude that this is the case.
Why doesn't Galz's challenge to explain how scum!him thinks acknowledge with certainty that Robz could have been the SK? It's especially relevant given that Robz was acting so similarly this game to how he was last time, when he was the SK.
There is a 31% chance that scum has daytalk active right now.
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I like that O remembered about the 1-shot BP. There is a pretty good chance we have one. How likely they are to have used their shot last night and prevented a kill with it I'm not sure.
Not sure if this is poorly worded or you're misreading the setup but 1-shot BP could have just as easily been used day 1.
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I like that O remembered about the 1-shot BP. There is a pretty good chance we have one. How likely they are to have used their shot last night and prevented a kill with it I'm not sure.
Not sure if this is poorly worded or you're misreading the setup but 1-shot BP could have just as easily been used day 1.
Fair, but if you're a 1-shot bulletproofer, do you shoot N1 when we don't even know what the distribution of scum roles is and don't have a good read on everyone yet?
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Who do you think the SK shot, Galzria?
Pfft - Heck if I know. - but I'll dig my hole even deeper for you:
D1 Faust bread crumbed that he was going to track me. Every time my lynch was brought up Faust talked about "Galz can be put off until a future day". I didn't piece it together until after he flipped Tracker D2, but if scum (Mafia or SK) were looking for PR tells that likely led them to Faust. I'm not sure what led to the other scum to choosing Mcmc though, unless they were simply afraid of his reads.
On N2, there are a number of ways that a kill could be prevented:
Mafia shoots SK: This would mean the SK shot 2.718
Mafia Roleblocks SK: This would mean Mafia shot 2.718
Mafia Rolestopper protects a player: This would mean Mafia shot 2.718
Mafia or SK shoot a protected player: We have a 1-shot BulletProofer who targeted N1
Mafia and SK both target 2.718
SK shoots Hidden Commuter: This would mean Mafia shot 2.718.
Most of these point towards 2.718 being the Mafia kill, and actually, only two point towards Mafia knowing the identity of the SK (Mafia shoots SK last night, SK shoots 2.718 /// Mafia Roleblock SK last night and shoot 2.718). So there's a chance that Mafia do not. in fact, know the SK's identity.
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EFHW's posts make me wonder if she's really as confused about the game setup as she's presenting herself to be.
Ha ha. I did forget about the SK letter, but the T thing was a misunderstanding. I had mentally added T's for the VT's that made up the rest of town, as is sometimes done in these setups. The others were only thinking about the 6 rolls.
I don't want to lynch Galzria today. He's made some good suggestions that he could easily have avoided. Robz was scummy. I had the same worry about him getting away Day 1 when he wasn't lynched.
I'm currently thinking TWM or Cuzz. gkrieg seems like his town self right now.
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I like that O remembered about the 1-shot BP. There is a pretty good chance we have one. How likely they are to have used their shot last night and prevented a kill with it I'm not sure.
Not sure if this is poorly worded or you're misreading the setup but 1-shot BP could have just as easily been used day 1.
Fair, but if you're a 1-shot bulletproofer, do you shoot N1 when we don't even know what the distribution of scum roles is and don't have a good read on everyone yet?
Can’t you Bp yourself? And dead townies don’t make the odds of you successfully blocking a shot any better, so the only reasons to wait would be dead scum and scumreads / PR reads
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It's pretty clear, though you could hear, you truly finally knew
in time, he'd tell his tale the way he'd like it told.
Now he isn't on the phone, and his story might as well be so.
(https://youtu.be/OphOQn1RvcU?t=8)
Vote count 3.1
not voting (8): The_Wine_Merchant, DatSwan, SpaceAnemone, Galzria, Cuzz, EFHW, O, Gkrieg13
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, April 25 at 8:30am forum time.
Mod Note:
Vote:Galz
The above vote is not correct syntax, so it does not count.
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EFHW's posts make me wonder if she's really as confused about the game setup as she's presenting herself to be.
Ha ha. I did forget about the SK letter, but the T thing was a misunderstanding. I had mentally added T's for the VT's that made up the rest of town, as is sometimes done in these setups. The others were only thinking about the 6 rolls.
I don't want to lynch Galzria today. He's made some good suggestions that he could easily have avoided. Robz was scummy. I had the same worry about him getting away Day 1 when he wasn't lynched.
I'm currently thinking TWM or Cuzz. gkrieg seems like his town self right now.
Oh huh TWM is still in this game.
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DAMA and around(ish) for awhile tonight. XxRaptorxX's birthday. Thought ya'll should know.
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I like that O remembered about the 1-shot BP. There is a pretty good chance we have one. How likely they are to have used their shot last night and prevented a kill with it I'm not sure.
Not sure if this is poorly worded or you're misreading the setup but 1-shot BP could have just as easily been used day 1.
Fair, but if you're a 1-shot bulletproofer, do you shoot N1 when we don't even know what the distribution of scum roles is and don't have a good read on everyone yet?
Can’t you Bp yourself? And dead townies don’t make the odds of you successfully blocking a shot any better, so the only reasons to wait would be dead scum and scumreads / PR reads
If you could bp yourself it would just be 1-short bulletproof. Everyone would just use it on themselves.
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DAMA and around(ish) for awhile tonight. XxRaptorxX's birthday. Thought ya'll should know.
Sad. DAMA over. I'm going to bed. Zzzz
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Well, loving is as loving does
and I'd say we should know because
we both have loved, have lost, and are alone.
(https://youtu.be/OphOQn1RvcU?t=30)
Vote count 3.2
not voting (8): The_Wine_Merchant, DatSwan, SpaceAnemone, Galzria, Cuzz, EFHW, O, Gkrieg13
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, April 25 at 8:30am forum time.
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When I read the thread first thing this morning, someone posted that TWM is still in the game, and then someone posted a DAMA, so read that as being TWM back.
The only posts that have appeared in 10 hours that I've been at work are a vote count, and Galz posting the end of a DAMA. Normally I assume that you USian people go to bed at least a few hours before I wake up!
New theory: TWM was scum or SK, and Galz is a super-scum/super-SK who absorbed him in the night, becoming a Galz-lookalike hydra of scumness but negating an NK from TWM in the process. This is a schadd setup, after all...
Request prod on TWM/rescue mission
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Gonna need a day tu recover after last night.
New theory: TWM was scum or SK, and Galz is a super-scum/super-SK who absorbed him in the night, becoming a Galz-lookalike hydra of scumness but negating an NK from TWM in the process. This is a schadd setup, after all...
This is just fantastic.
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On a more serious note:
The lack of action is because scum is content with the current game state - they very much don't want to draw attention away from me, and thus have no real reason to pretend to find scum elsewhere.
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I'm going to start looking at vote analysis in the hopes of actually finding Mafia here.
This will happen tomorrow, not today.
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I worry that I have more townreads than the number of town remaining. This might mean TWM has to be scum.
EFHW: being mostly helpful and seemingly pro-town, but mostly with setup talk that is just as easy to do as scum as town
Galz: reaction to scrutiny could be genuine town reaction or could be literally exactly what scum Galz was planning all along when he hammered Robz
O: mostly being normal O, but kind of a less helpful version of it so, maybe scummy
Space: always seems town so meh
gkrieg: ?
Datswan: ?
TWM: ???
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TIL this forum auto-translates a triple-? to a puzzled emoji
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@Gkrieg
Why did you think proposing a massclaim was remotely a reasonable option, and why do you think I should not just try to lynch you for SK + potential Dayvig hunting as scum?
How is proposing a massclaim SK or dayvig hunting?
We are at MYLO. The only PR that we are sure we have is a named tracker (slight chance that they are a JK instead). It is generally within town's interest to do a massclaim at MYLO, seeing as we need to lynch correctly to win. Unfortunately SK really makes things more difficult. Even if we lynch scum today, we aren't assured to not lose tomorrow. At this point we need to lynch mafia and also give the SK enough information to kill mafia as well.
It is definitely a reasonable option, you can't say stuff like "remotely a reasonable option" without saying why it is so outlandish.
Can you even explain the potential benefits of a massclaim?
The potential harms:
1) Reveal our tracker
2) Depending on claiming order, take a pretty bad 50-50 if scum get a convincing first claim of tracker.
3) Reveal any potential remaining relevant PRs
4) Narrow down who the SK potentially is, who is probably a pseudo-Vig for us right now.
The potential benefits:
1) We get one named tracker as a pseudo-IC... if scum don't counterclaim or claim first
2) Scum probably hide as VT claims for the rest of them, which might narrow the pool, except most town and SK will probably also be claiming VT
I'm not crazy in support of Gkrieg here - but not mentioned in the benefits column is that we would know if we are in a 0T/1T or a 2T setup - which is valuable in that we would know if we're in MyLo or not. I don't think the value of knowing is worth the downside of claiming though - either we are or we aren't, that isn't going to change by claiming - and further, the people left that may/may not be PR's and hold the key to that information likely already know if this is MyLo.
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TIL this forum auto-translates a triple-? to a puzzled emoji
Yeah. Gotta ninja bold. ???
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Not really relevant, but can't we always back into a win due to SK?
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Anyways I'm going to the rash, foolhardy, insanely stupid thing and Vote: TWM
Calling it now, it's tactical lurking. TWM existed in this game day 1 and day 2. Day 3 we're in MYLO and he drops off the face of the planet?
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"Aren't we not really in MYLO in any circumstance" -- O
"We're in MYLO and he's lurking" -- O, literally one post later.
Meh.
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Not really relevant, but can't we always back into a win due to SK?
If we're in a 0T or 1T setup and Mafia know who the SK is they can Roleblock him every night.
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Not really relevant, but can't we always back into a win due to SK?
If we're in a 0T or 1T setup and Mafia know who the SK is they can Roleblock him every night.
Right.
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Anyways I'm going to the rash, foolhardy, insanely stupid thing and Vote: TWM
Calling it now, it's tactical lurking. TWM existed in this game day 1 and day 2. Day 3 we're in MYLO and he drops off the face of the planet?
Right like I've been lurking all game because I have had no clue what's been going on but even I am trying to get more involved here. I really don't see town disappearing like this in this situation.
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I'm conflicted because Galz really deserves to be lynched. But in that game when I was mason with Teproc I randomly pushed the Space lynch because she was flying under the radar heavily and it worked out.
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Your face's falling tears, to me they're lovely and they're dear,
though you don't love me and it's clear that I will never see you in my arms.
(https://youtu.be/OphOQn1RvcU?t=39)
Vote count 3.3
The_Wine_Merchant (1): O
not voting (7): The_Wine_Merchant, DatSwan, SpaceAnemone, Galzria, Cuzz, EFHW, Gkrieg13
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, April 25 at 8:30am forum time.
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From the non-Galz perspective scum would bus you anyways.
I agree.
I'm perfect lynch-bait because yes, if I were scum, you're right that they would.
I'm mean galzria you opened the day saying I am too scummy to be scum. What would you expect? You also kind of quickhammered Robz with not great reasoning at a time when not a lot of people were around (weekends aren't the best for anyone).
Also completely outside of Galz Town MO.
Such as this. This is exactly my Town MO as can been seen in literally my last two town games. Now, he could argue that I'm scum attempting to mimic my town MO - but that isn't the case he's made. He's said it ISN'T my town MO. False.
I can argue your last two town games are outside of your Town MO. Furthermore backing it up by the fact you are bringing it up.
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Sorry friends. Mini-family crisis. I am in communication with iguana about whether or not I should opt out or not. I am not sure what the process is for this, but I am extremely limited communication for at least the next week.
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vote: galzria
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I'm conflicted because Galz really deserves to be lynched. But in that game when I was mason with Teproc I randomly pushed the Space lynch because she was flying under the radar heavily and it worked out.
So you're suggesting pushing a lynch on an under-contributing player? The post right before yours is where Cuzz just admitted to having been a lurker all through the game...
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I'm surprised Space isn't doing any rereads. That is the main reason I don't have a strong townread on them.
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I'm conflicted because Galz really deserves to be lynched. But in that game when I was mason with Teproc I randomly pushed the Space lynch because she was flying under the radar heavily and it worked out.
So you're suggesting pushing a lynch on an under-contributing player? The post right before yours is where Cuzz just admitted to having been a lurker all through the game...
How is this at all relevant when my claim was that TWM is opportunistically lurking today, not the whole game? Cuzz hasn't lurked today.
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i am like 99.99% sure I was already doing this, but
Vote: Galz
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yeah, it just wasn't counted:
said it day 1. said it day 2. saying it now.
Vote:Galz
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Gkrieg -- Early on I thought he was townie mostly for the fact he's called me town. I think as scum he'd be much more likely to revert to his meta of spearheading my mislynches. Says mcmc always thinks he's scum, in response to Robz's comment about mcmc reading gkrieg. Says O and Robz were the most likely to be scum of people pushing e.. now we know Robz was town after all. Townreads mcmc and IDP. Calls Galz, TWM and Swan scummy. Votes faust, but says he'd rather lynch a lurker. Votes Swan, then IDP after a reads change. Says he hasn't had scum vibes on EFHW and reads her well. Wishes me happy birthday twice! :-) Wow, that feels like ages ago already. Gkrieg highlights that he shines more in later days than in early days. #404 is "I feel like you are trying to pre-frame me for when mcmc dies tonight", and mcmc did die! (Though it was Robz he was talking to there, and Robz has now flipped town). Has quite a long argument back and forht with faust, but then I was feeling quite wary of faust too I think.
Comes into D2 directly with comments on the NK and a vote on O for being under the radar. Also being eerie/weary of EFHW :-P He's got 71 game posts to date, but these start-of-day ones are only a few words long each. Was sick. Hope you're feeling better now, gkrieg! :-) Votes for Robz, but says he still thinks O is scum. Doesn't reappear till after the hammer. Given that I know e and I are town, in 2nd and 3rd places on that wagon respectively, gkreig in 4th place looks like the vote could be a little opportunistic in retrospect.
Opens D3 much the same as D2, with comments on what the flip means for the game setup. I think I already posted my thought about how for someone who was earlier posting about how he's higher-value as a player later in the game, he seems to have come into the day all prepared with thoughts about mylo etc. Moves on to suggest a massclaim, which is quickly scumread. Makes the suggestion that we might have a JK as part of a response to O, which is all wrong. We actually don't even need my full game distribution to prove it, just look at the S roll list in the setup. Has a bit of an ongoing tangle with Galz, and has voted him just now. So where did the earlier O scumread go in D3? Gkrieg has been arguing with O, but hasn't said anything more about his scumread on him in D3. Overall he was a strongish townread of mine earlier in the game, but that's really slipping now.
PPE 4: including gkrieg complaining about me not doing reads while I was actually in the middle of re-reading him!
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There's no room in your heart
for even this finely-sharpened dart.
Although I had started to think
there might be hope, it isn't so.
(https://youtu.be/OphOQn1RvcU?t=48)
Vote count 3.4
The_Wine_Merchant (1): O
Galzria (2): gkrieg13, DatSwan
not voting (5): The_Wine_Merchant, SpaceAnemone, Galzria, Cuzz, EFHW
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, April 25 at 8:30am forum time.
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Here is where I am at from Vote Count Re Read. Strike Through Players = Confirmed Town.
D1 Final Vote Count
Robz888 (1): IDontPlayThisGame
EFHW (2): mcmcsalot, Galzria
Galzria (1): O
SpaceAnemone (1): faust
IDontPlayThisGame (7): gkrieg13, SpaceAnemone, Robz888, 2.71828, The_Wine_Merchant, EFHW, DatSwan
not voting (1): Cuzz
Okie Dokie - So the way my brain works here is deal with likelihood. It takes 7 to lynch, there were 3 Town players on a Town player, so that is 4 remaining unknowns. For me this creates a lynch pool of at "at least 1, but not more than 2 skum exist within [GK, Space, TWM, EFHW]".
Day 2 Final Vote Count
O (1): Robz888
DatSwan (1): The_Wine_Merchant
Galzria (1): DatSwan
Robz888 (6): O, 2.71828..., SpaceAnemone, gkrieg13, EFHW, Galzria
not voting (1): Cuzz
Okie Dokie - Same concept first. With 10 alive it took 6 to lynch. Of those 6 on Town!Robz, we have 1 Town player and 5 Unknowns. From the Wagon, I am going to assume there is at least one Skum within [O, Space, GK, EFHW, Galz].
Off the wagon we have Cuzz, TWM, Robz, Swan. Because I know I am town and we have had the Robz flip, that means that EITHER all the skum was on the wagon, or one of Cuzz/TWM (or both I suppose) are likely skum.
So far the Summary:
Day 1 Wagon Pool = [GK, Space, EFHW, TWM]
Day 1 No Wagon Pool = [Cuzz, O, Galz]
Day 2 Wagon Pool = [GK, Space, O, EFHW, Galz]
Day 2 No Wagon Pool = [Cuzz, TWM]
Just whatever, these are assumptions keep in mind, but what I draw from this is:
1) There is at least one mafia in [Cuzz, TWM]
2) There is at least one mafia in [GK, Space, EFHW]
3) There is at least one mafia in [Galz, TWM]
Note - read through it and you will see why O is not included. I am not saying he is for sure not skum, just this is the most reduced possible pool I can come to.
The bummer here is that when you run through it the pools pretty much become [Cuzz, TWM] or [GK, Space, EFHW], and regardless of the choice (even assuming we guess right and find skum), the overall information revealed is about the same. This leads to to my initial point, which is... I just want to lynch Galz because he is going to flip skum.
However, if we absolutely must lynch outside of it, we should lynch within [GK, Space, EFHW].
My order of preference would be Space, EFHW, GK at this point. So, realistically my lynch pool is [Galz/Space].
My overall pool would be [Galz, Space/GK/EFHW, TWM/Cuzz]
My reduced pool would be [Galz, TWM, Space/GK/EFHW]
My "super-whammy-want it to be written down somewhere" pool would be [Galz, TWM, Space].
We should lynch Galz.
If we are not going to lynch Galz, we should lynch Space.
If we are not going to lynch Galz or Space, we should lynch TWM.
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I still heavily scumread O.
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I still heavily scumread O.
Yeah that's cool and all - like I said def not off the radar - but outside O who do you like?
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More fun:
Galz - who do you like for lynch?
Space - who do you like?
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I still heavily scumread O.
Yeah that's cool and all - like I said def not off the radar - but outside O who do you like?
Nvm, just remembered you are on Galz with me.
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I like that O remembered about the 1-shot BP. There is a pretty good chance we have one. How likely they are to have used their shot last night and prevented a kill with it I'm not sure.
Not sure if this is poorly worded or you're misreading the setup but 1-shot BP could have just as easily been used day 1.
Fair, but if you're a 1-shot bulletproofer, do you shoot N1 when we don't even know what the distribution of scum roles is and don't have a good read on everyone yet?
Can’t you Bp yourself? And dead townies don’t make the odds of you successfully blocking a shot any better, so the only reasons to wait would be dead scum and scumreads / PR reads
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Of course they do... limits the maximum potential to a lower quantity, thus raising the odds of success....
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Gonna need a day tu recover after last night.
New theory: TWM was scum or SK, and Galz is a super-scum/super-SK who absorbed him in the night, becoming a Galz-lookalike hydra of scumness but negating an NK from TWM in the process. This is a schadd setup, after all...
This is just fantastic.
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On a more serious note:
The lack of action is because scum is content with the current game state - they very much don't want to draw attention away from me, and thus have no real reason to pretend to find scum elsewhere.
Is this to say you are skum reading the players that have been active thus far in the game?
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O - Lynch TWM tomorrow - Get on the Galz train today!
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Lalight replaces The_Wine_Merchant, effective immediately.
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So wake up, make up some new song again around the same tune.
The water cools, the leaves they fall, the sun it bends, the summer ends.
Our so-called friend doesn't need you. (https://youtu.be/OphOQn1RvcU?t=84)
Vote count 3.5
Lalight (1): O
Galzria (2): gkrieg13, DatSwan
not voting (5): Lalight, SpaceAnemone, Galzria, Cuzz, EFHW
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, April 25 at 8:30am forum time.
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hi guys, was watching the game and was not impressed by Robz' lynch. Will reread today and post my thoughts, but while reading I thought O/gkrieg are the most suspicious
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Swan is very active and I think is town after all. Hard to read Cuzz, I constantly am forgetting he's in a game, maybe because of non substance posts. O/gkrieg telling everyone how scummy the second is but never voting each other is the scummiest thing ever. By the way, looking at the game without participating really makes my reads better fwiw
Not sure about all the fuzz about Galz, what happened? Is it that hammer? I am not sure, forgot all the metas in a long while, but wouldn't it be really stupid thing to do as scum? Or was he sacrificing himself for... Robz' lynch? I don't think so.
Why were some of you scumreading TWM? As I understood that's because he became inactive, well, there's a reason and here's me now. I'd really like to put things into perspective so we will actually win this game. I'd like this achievement :)
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I still heavily scumread O.
Yeah that's cool and all - like I said def not off the radar - but outside O who do you like?
Galz O Space in that order. I’ll reread all of them.
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Thing that should be obvious:
If Galz avoids being lynched because his hammer of Robz would have been so incredibly stupid to do as scum, then it retroactively becomes not a stupid thing to have done as scum.
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Thing that should be obvious:
If Galz avoids being lynched because his hammer of Robz would have been so incredibly stupid to do as scum, then it retroactively becomes not a stupid thing to have done as scum.
levels and levels. Because if it retroactively becomes not a stupid thing to have done as scum, scum wouldn't do this because it's scummy again
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Thing that should be obvious:
If Galz avoids being lynched because his hammer of Robz would have been so incredibly stupid to do as scum, then it retroactively becomes not a stupid thing to have done as scum.
Very true. But if I lynch TWMLalight because I found the lurking even scummier, it means not that galz was smart but rather less scum than twm.
Nonetheless Vote: Galzria and hope for the best since it appears twm has no traction
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Thing that should be obvious:
If Galz avoids being lynched because his hammer of Robz would have been so incredibly stupid to do as scum, then it retroactively becomes not a stupid thing to have done as scum.
Very true. But if I lynch TWMLalight because I found the lurking even scummier, it means not that galz was smart but rather less scum than twm.
Nonetheless Vote: Galzria and hope for the best since it appears twm has no traction
Well the primary reason for voting TWM seems to have a legitimate external explanation, so at this point we should make LL keep saying stuff and just independently decide if he seems scummy or not.
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I remember having other reasons for scumreading TWM. I'll read back to see if I can find what they were.
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Unvote For some reason I forgot Datswan remade his vote count. Probably OK anyways but don't want to leave Galz L-2. Still my intent is on Galz atm
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If galz is town, Cuzz/EFHW aren’t the scum team.
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If galz is town, Cuzz/EFHW aren’t the scum team.
This is true in the sense that Cuzz/X is not the scumteam regardless of whether Galz is town.
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Only a short time for this tonight, but weekend tomorrow means mote time then.
First, LaLight!!! Good to see you in here :-) You're much easier for me to read than TWM, so this game just got more hopeful.. Please give comments on things!
Second, someone asked who I'd support lynching. Current thinking is gkrieg for the top pick, but I think Galz, O or EFHW could knock him out of that spot when i have time to read in more detail.
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I like that O remembered about the 1-shot BP. There is a pretty good chance we have one. How likely they are to have used their shot last night and prevented a kill with it I'm not sure.
Not sure if this is poorly worded or you're misreading the setup but 1-shot BP could have just as easily been used day 1.
Fair, but if you're a 1-shot bulletproofer, do you shoot N1 when we don't even know what the distribution of scum roles is and don't have a good read on everyone yet?
Can’t you Bp yourself? And dead townies don’t make the odds of you successfully blocking a shot any better, so the only reasons to wait would be dead scum and scumreads / PR reads
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Of course they do... limits the maximum potential to a lower quantity, thus raising the odds of success....
If you were to have BP'd a town player who was now dead, it would have been a successful shot to begin with. ;)
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Only a short time for this tonight, but weekend tomorrow means mote time then.
First, LaLight!!! Good to see you in here :-) You're much easier for me to read than TWM, so this game just got more hopeful.. Please give comments on things!
Second, someone asked who I'd support lynching. Current thinking is gkrieg for the top pick, but I think Galz, O or EFHW could knock him out of that spot when i have time to read in more detail.
I like how much of this read on me is because I’m scum reading them
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If galz is town, Cuzz/EFHW aren’t the scum team.
This is true in the sense that Cuzz/X is not the scumteam regardless of whether Galz is town.
Just that you two had the chance to hammer
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If galz is town, Cuzz/EFHW aren’t the scum team.
I like how irrelevant this statement is. I think i am ready to vote: gkrieg13
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EFHW: Early posts are jokey, then votes Galz in agreement with e over thinking the rules clarification thing was odd. Makes a bunch of rather short observational posts (saying faust is cheery, e is meta-aware etc). Unvotes after claiming to have confused e (who said he'd ingnored the setup) and Galz (who asked questions in-thread and was scumread for it). Makes a weird suggestion about TWM and RR (Cuzz) both being scum from the fact that TWM (who's now LL) knew RR hadn't been online. Agrees that my explanation (using the site to notice that RR had literally not logged into f.ds since the game started) is better, but still desides to vote TWM over his obeservation. Votes Robz for calling her post about having confused e and Galz "very townie". Seems frustrated at TWM for not giving her a reason he'd voted for her.. wants opportunities to defend herself even though he'd already moved his vote by the point she did so. Maybe a guilty conscience? Also a bit defensive when Swan points out a language point about "you'll lynch" vs "we'll lynch". Defends IDP. Is confused by Robz making a point about faust distracting from IDP, because faust had pushed IDP. Scumreads Robz, e, gkrieg and mcmc. Three had flipped town now! Makes a couple of posts about incorrect vote counts, which someone I think suggested was scummy for worrying about the voting state. Later says she'd be "reluctantly" on board for an e lynch, when Galz is canvassing. Eventually L-1s IDP even though she says she disagrees with the lynch.
In early D2, EFHW seems surprised that e townreads her for sounding sure that the IDP wagon was on town. I'm somewhat suspicious of EFHW over that because of course scum are going to have more of an idea of who's town. She comments on other wagons that didn't stick as alternatives to IDP: one on Robz, and one on herself. We know now that Robz was town, so the remaining non-stick wagon was on EFHW.. and we know that wagons that refuse to go anywhere are sometimes like that because scum don't all want to bus. I don't quite get her post at #587. She notes that I'd voted IDP because I thought he was scummy, but the "how scummy was it to choose IDP over other possibilities" seems like a weird question, especially when she followed it up by pointing out that "To some of us he seemed obv!town" -- that implies knowing whose reads could and couldn't be trusted in the early game, which is a scum trait. Picks some more at Robz for his earlier characterization of her, and failure to respond to questions, and then L-1s him too.
Opens D3 with the weird counting of "T" for VTs, which is not how that works. She'd made some earlier comment about how people just don't tend to ask questions about a setup, which is even weirded if she had doubts about how it worked herself. Actually, quite a few of her pots at the start of D3 are weird little tabulations of letters. Agrees about not having a massclaim. Doesn't seem to go as far as agreeing with his scumread on gkrieg in the same post, though. Responds to me to my point about her broken assumptions by saying that sometimes games do add Ts for towns. Also states outright that she doesn't want to lynch Galz today, and that gkrieg seems like town, which is a contrast to her earlier read on him, and is suspicious because her reads on gkrieg have gone in a different direction to how I think his play has panned out. Most recent post is from ~20 hours ago vaguely hinting at having reasons for scumreading TWM, but hasn't provided them.
I had a vague scumread on EFHW left over from about D1, and obviously it's still there. I think the most notable things are that the early wagon on her didn't move much (while the other ones on known town did), and that she seems really aware of how people are being read for setup and game understanding stuff (including reproaching Robz for townreading her for a "slip"), and yet still makes a big deal now we're in D3 of misundertanding the setup.
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Only a short time for this tonight, but weekend tomorrow means mote time then.
First, LaLight!!! Good to see you in here :-) You're much easier for me to read than TWM, so this game just got more hopeful.. Please give comments on things!
Second, someone asked who I'd support lynching. Current thinking is gkrieg for the top pick, but I think Galz, O or EFHW could knock him out of that spot when i have time to read in more detail.
I like how much of this read on me is because I’m scum reading them
I'm aware that I might get a bias due to omgus, but you're misrepresenting it a bit! You're behaving in a scummier way now than previously, but I wasn't really re-weighing the evidence properly till I had time to make an actual re-read and look at your play as a whole... the fact that you broke my initial townread made it easier for me to re-evaluate!
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So proceed out the door and down the street.
December's lying near, but in the oven's heat this house is now a home
(https://youtu.be/OphOQn1RvcU?t=105)
Vote count 3.6
Galzria (2): gkrieg13, DatSwan
gkrieg13 (1): Lalight
not voting (5): SpaceAnemone, Galzria, Cuzz, EFHW, O
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, April 25 at 8:30am forum time.
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If galz is town, Cuzz/EFHW aren’t the scum team.
I like how irrelevant this statement is. I think i am ready to vote: gkrieg13
What do you mean irrelevant. We are at MYLO, two people had a chance to hammer galzria. Eliminating possible scum team pairings is important. How on earth does that possibly warrant a vote.
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Only a short time for this tonight, but weekend tomorrow means mote time then.
First, LaLight!!! Good to see you in here :-) You're much easier for me to read than TWM, so this game just got more hopeful.. Please give comments on things!
Second, someone asked who I'd support lynching. Current thinking is gkrieg for the top pick, but I think Galz, O or EFHW could knock him out of that spot when i have time to read in more detail.
I like how much of this read on me is because I’m scum reading them
I'm aware that I might get a bias due to omgus, but you're misrepresenting it a bit! You're behaving in a scummier way now than previously, but I wasn't really re-weighing the evidence properly till I had time to make an actual re-read and look at your play as a whole... the fact that you broke my initial townread made it easier for me to re-evaluate!
You did one reread and decided that I was the scummiest person?
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Gkrieg -- Early on I thought he was townie mostly for the fact he's called me town. I think as scum he'd be much more likely to revert to his meta of spearheading my mislynches. Says mcmc always thinks he's scum, in response to Robz's comment about mcmc reading gkrieg. Says O and Robz were the most likely to be scum of people pushing e.. now we know Robz was town after all. Townreads mcmc and IDP. Calls Galz, TWM and Swan scummy. Votes faust, but says he'd rather lynch a lurker. Votes Swan, then IDP after a reads change. Says he hasn't had scum vibes on EFHW and reads her well. Wishes me happy birthday twice! :-) Wow, that feels like ages ago already. Gkrieg highlights that he shines more in later days than in early days. #404 is "I feel like you are trying to pre-frame me for when mcmc dies tonight", and mcmc did die! (Though it was Robz he was talking to there, and Robz has now flipped town). Has quite a long argument back and forht with faust, but then I was feeling quite wary of faust too I think.
Comes into D2 directly with comments on the NK and a vote on O for being under the radar. Also being eerie/weary of EFHW :-P He's got 71 game posts to date, but these start-of-day ones are only a few words long each. Was sick. Hope you're feeling better now, gkrieg! :-) Votes for Robz, but says he still thinks O is scum. Doesn't reappear till after the hammer. Given that I know e and I are town, in 2nd and 3rd places on that wagon respectively, gkreig in 4th place looks like the vote could be a little opportunistic in retrospect.
Opens D3 much the same as D2, with comments on what the flip means for the game setup. I think I already posted my thought about how for someone who was earlier posting about how he's higher-value as a player later in the game, he seems to have come into the day all prepared with thoughts about mylo etc. Moves on to suggest a massclaim, which is quickly scumread. Makes the suggestion that we might have a JK as part of a response to O, which is all wrong. We actually don't even need my full game distribution to prove it, just look at the S roll list in the setup. Has a bit of an ongoing tangle with Galz, and has voted him just now. So where did the earlier O scumread go in D3? Gkrieg has been arguing with O, but hasn't said anything more about his scumread on him in D3. Overall he was a strongish townread of mine earlier in the game, but that's really slipping now.
PPE 4: including gkrieg complaining about me not doing reads while I was actually in the middle of re-reading him!
You also don’t have anything in here that is scummy, then you state at the end that your townread is slipping but you give no reasoning. Then all of the sudden I am your strongest scum read?
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Just re-found this while doing my O re-read.
Can’t you Bp yourself? And dead townies don’t make the odds of you successfully blocking a shot any better, so the only reasons to wait would be dead scum and scumreads / PR reads
I assumed not for the self-BPing. As for the rest, the reason to wait is to form better reads because as well as knowing who seems vaguely "off", you get a better picture after N1 about what roles are out there, and an extra day to map those onto people you're reading over D2.
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I'm conflicted because Galz really deserves to be lynched. But in that game when I was mason with Teproc I randomly pushed the Space lynch because she was flying under the radar heavily and it worked out.
So you're suggesting pushing a lynch on an under-contributing player? The post right before yours is where Cuzz just admitted to having been a lurker all through the game...
How is this at all relevant when my claim was that TWM is opportunistically lurking today, not the whole game? Cuzz hasn't lurked today.
I took your post as an accusation that I was under-contributing... I'm aware my read-posts have been getting a bit behind! I think this response tells me that you didn't explicitly mean it that way. We now know that TWM was having external issues, though.. so I guess my point about Cuzz being lurky earlier is sort of relevant still, though he's the last person on my reread queue (other than needing a second re-read on Galz because the first was before he started being scummy), so hopefully I have a more informed opinion on him pretty soon.
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O: Jokes with Robz about playing for the next scum game, then self-votes, sheeping faust, when faust says his early posts were scummy. O was as an early townread for me because of #63, because scum!faust last game made a big deal about warning people in advance about his travel and possible lack of internet... I feel he wanted to be in more of a position to control the game, and I didn't get that vibe from O. Says gkrieg is acting like his scum self. Dislikes people posting similar reads on the same people in different games. Thinks mcmc's auto-scumread on Robz is scummy. References his own scumminess. Calls Swan scummy. At this point is still self-voting. Denies doing "jokes and self-votes" since the opening of the game, which I'd disagree with given his commend about "if I wasn't so scummy I'd vote" a few posts earlier (and the fact he's still self-voting at that point). Finally unvotes at #256, though also mentions he's exploring Tokyo, so I'm envious of that! He's the second person to take the Robz train up to three people, behind IDP and EFHW (e and mcmc were voting earlier, too). Has valid points against Robz. Moves to Galz when he pushes e, saying he's also not voting IDP or EFHW.
Votes gkreig at the start of D2 for coming into it sounding like he'd done "pre-flip planning", and also because gkrieg just voted him for being under the radar. Has a brief argument with TWM about whether scum!gkrieg would behave that way. Says Datswan is scummy. Helpfully lists a bunch of people who've been calling him scummy all game. Most are still alive. Gets accused by gkrieg of being focused on himself. Calls TWM not-necessarily-scummy. Answers my question about how he behaves as scum. "I wonder if the easy explanation for why MCMC got killed is the right one." -- still seems to be scumreading gkrieg. Votes Robz, agreeing that he's not acting like a VT. Pre-flip, speculates that Robz may be town and Galz scum, but then immediately reverses that and asks why scum!galz would hammer and draw the attention of the SK.
Comes into D3 displaying more understanding of the setup mechanics than he had demonstrated before, by asking why gkrieg and EFHW aren't considering someone being bulletproof in any of their scenarios. I had wondered the same thing, but then I've got the breakdown of all the roles and how likely they all are. Townreads Cuzz for his direct kill-Galz approach to D3. Proposes lynching gkrieg after his massclaim suggestion. Very definitely against gkrieg's massclaim suggestion. States intent to vote Galz, playing along with Galz's plan to let a dayvig take him out. Even calls me out on a point of setup understanding, so I get the impression he's really confident about how it all works. Jumps onto TWM for being absent for D3 before it comes out that he has external stuff going on. Votes Galz, briefly putting him to L-2, before retreating to claiming intent because he doesn't want a hammer yet.
Overall, I'm reading O as town. I think his questions make sense coming from a town mindset; maybe the scummy jokes do too, though I also see why people seem to scumread him. I just don't think he's the most likely person to flip scum here.
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Cuzz 2: Apparently I did Cuzz already, but he was so non-present that I'd forgotten. He's now up to 23 game posts, as opposed to the 12 he'd made last time. There's nothing useful in D1, so let's jsut re-start with D2. Scumreads Swan, though also asks if he's a native English speaker, because of the "prefer to" misunderstanding. Townreads O after a re-read (this is the first new post since last time I read him). The only other D2 post was non-useful. Comes into D3 pushing for a Galz lynch. Several other posts are things like "eh" or "Oh huh TWM is still in the game", rather than useful content/analysis. Reads at #750, but thet're super-non-committal, and three of them are made out of question marks, assuming the one on TWM got auto-converted.. which the very next post implies. In the 11 new posts, there are quite a few that just don't morethe game on. Admits to having been lurking all game. Comments on how if Galz isn't lynched because his hammer was too-scummy-to-be-scum, then it makes that sort of behaviour not a bad thing for Galz to have done after all.. which is hind of true, but again not moving the game on. I feel like he's avoided doing anything alignment-indicative all game, and is still not active in trying to help narrow the search down. That's a nice position for a scum to be in, especially if another player is hogging all the scrutiny limelight. I do definitely disagree with O about Cuzz's lurkiness: to me he is most definitely still underactive and lurky-looking.
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If galz is town, Cuzz/EFHW aren’t the scum team.
I like how irrelevant this statement is. I think i am ready to vote: gkrieg13
OK so Lalight replaces in and immediately votes. This is unexpected.
Do we think Town!Lalight replaces in at what is very possibly MYLO and votes immediately?
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If galz is town, Cuzz/EFHW aren’t the scum team.
I like how irrelevant this statement is. I think i am ready to vote: gkrieg13
OK so Lalight replaces in and immediately votes. This is unexpected.
Do we think Town!Lalight replaces in at what is very possibly MYLO and votes immediately?
I like this point very much.
LL where is your pro-town sense of MYLO restraint? Explain yourself.
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I reread TWM and I feel he is likely scum. I have a bias against players who specifically said IDP was scummy, because IDP was being exactly like he always is. It's interesting how Robz and e both flipped town - I had thought one of them was probably scum because of how the end of Day 1 went. Which is one reason Space thinks I'm scum, so I guess we think alike in that respect even though the idea is a complete non-starter. TWM did a lot of distracting posts and didn't scumhunt. I don't know when his emergency was taking place, but he didn't seem his town!self from the beginning.
Lalight does not feel towny to me. I didn't like his voting gkrieg without any explanation to help other players decide if they agree. So this is where I am planning to vote.
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Space is doing a good town!Space, especially early Day 1. They have put a lot of emphasis on how hard they are scumhunting, and are pretty critical of most players. They are overblowing my "misunderstanding" of the setup, but I can see how it reads the way they see it. I was never trying to be comprehensive in stating all the ways we could have 1 nk, and I didn't study the setup looking for all the possible ways. I just wanted to refute gkrieg's statement that scum must know now who the SK is. There also is no contradiction between my making real or imagined mistakes about the setup and my commenting on e stating he didn't read it. That's a common scum maneuver to seem disinterested and worth pointing out. So there are distortions there that could indicate scum!Space. But at the moment, I'm leaning town!Space.
My problem is I have more townreads than there are town players.
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If galz is town, Cuzz/EFHW aren’t the scum team.
I like how irrelevant this statement is. I think i am ready to vote: gkrieg13
OK so Lalight replaces in and immediately votes. This is unexpected.
Do we think Town!Lalight replaces in at what is very possibly MYLO and votes immediately?
I like this point very much.
LL where is your pro-town sense of MYLO restraint? Explain yourself.
It’s mylo, not lylo, my vote is first as i checked before voting and can not cause a quickhammer in any way
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If galz is town, Cuzz/EFHW aren’t the scum team.
I like how irrelevant this statement is. I think i am ready to vote: gkrieg13
What do you mean irrelevant. We are at MYLO, two people had a chance to hammer galzria. Eliminating possible scum team pairings is important. How on earth does that possibly warrant a vote.
It is irrelevant because we don’t know if Galz is town or scum and if we find out he’s town by lynhing him, it won’t matter how many pairings you did eliminate beforehand
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And if he’s scum, your observation is even more irrelevant
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And if he’s scum, your observation is even more irrelevant
Ok let’s say it is irrelevant. How is that enough to vote? What about something being irrelevant makes me scummy?
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And if he’s scum, your observation is even more irrelevant
Ok let’s say it is irrelevant. How is that enough to vote? What about something being irrelevant makes me scummy?
As i have already mentioned, you quarrels with O make it look like you are both scum; while i was reading this game i boticed some things i was sure you were scum because of; can’t point now, phone, dama. Anyway, point is i thought you were scum and this irrelevant thing is just a trigger. I am also quite sure that if you’re scum, O is one as well
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You did one reread and decided that I was the scummiest person?
You were the top scum-candidate on my mind at that moment. I think that you, EFHW and Galz all have scumpoints going for you, but you don't make a sound scumteam because otherwise the end of D2 would be too weird, with you all voting one after another. There are possible scum-pairs and scum-trios with each of you, though.
As far as reading you goes, I think the main things that ring bells are:
* How prepared you came into each of the new days. I know you've argued against that already, but for me it still feels off.
* Related to the first point, but you being a strong later-game player and still being alive in the first place might indicate that you have fewer factions who might want to kill you than most.
* Trying to steer the game towards a massclaim without good justification of how it helps town. I think statistically speaking, there are some justifications, and you're someone who should have been able to find those, but you didn't, which makes me wonder if you're really wanting a massclaim for a townie reason.
* You make a point about potentially having a role we can't have in the game, which felt a lot like a scum who knows more than we do about the setup trying to cover his tracks and pretend to know less, but forgetting exactly what town knows and going too far in the wrong direction.
* You've become quite defensive and direct about challenging people who express any sort scumread on you, even though you're not even the leading wagon, which seems quite jumpy.
Other more minor contributing factors:
* The extra wifom you planted around the possibility of losing mcmc before it happened.
* Two of the players you voted quite briefly in D1 are still alive (Galz and Swan), so one or other (maybe not both) of those make decent light buses for D1.
* You ended up as the first-placed player on the IDP wagon in spite of saying earlier that he was townie.
* You spent much of D2 voting O, who I think is being townie.
* You were also on the Robz misslynch, and while he was being undeniably off in his play, I still think we'll find scum pushing him too.
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You did one reread and decided that I was the scummiest person?
You were the top scum-candidate on my mind at that moment. I think that you, EFHW and Galz all have scumpoints going for you, but you don't make a sound scumteam because otherwise the end of D2 would be too weird, with you all voting one after another. There are possible scum-pairs and scum-trios with each of you, though.
As far as reading you goes, I think the main things that ring bells are:
* How prepared you came into each of the new days. I know you've argued against that already, but for me it still feels off.
I didn't come prepared. If you look at the time that I posted, there is plenty of time for me to think about what happened.
* Related to the first point, but you being a strong later-game player and still being alive in the first place might indicate that you have fewer factions who might want to kill you than most.
This is a bad argument. There are still many people alive that are strong players. And the people who have died (e, mcmc, faust) are generally regarded as strong players as well.
* Trying to steer the game towards a massclaim without good justification of how it helps town. I think statistically speaking, there are some justifications, and you're someone who should have been able to find those, but you didn't, which makes me wonder if you're really wanting a massclaim for a townie reason.
I already gave my justification. It would help us because we are at MYLO. Having another IC would help us, and it is possible that we would have a 1v1, which is easier to analyze than the situation we are in right now.
* You make a point about potentially having a role we can't have in the game, which felt a lot like a scum who knows more than we do about the setup trying to cover his tracks and pretend to know less, but forgetting exactly what town knows and going too far in the wrong direction.
Where did I show that I had more information so that I actually needed to cover my tracks? I just realized what you are talking about, becasue I thought the SK carried down for all of those letters.
* You've become quite defensive and direct about challenging people who express any sort scumread on you, even though you're not even the leading wagon, which seems quite jumpy.
We are at MYLO. It doesn't matter if I am the leading wagon or whatever, if I get two votes on me from town, mafia could quickhammer me for the win. It is also pretty much the only thing that is being talked about, and the day ends fairly soon. I haven't even been that defensive. People have expressed scumreads on me for no reason. I even got a vote for a horrible reason, which has now been backed up with more vague reasoning. I also thought that TWM was town, and that means that LaLight voting for me could potentially lose us the game. Also, O, you, and LaLight have expressed scumreads on me. The point is that I want to stop this before it gets momentum so that we can actually lynch scum.
Other more minor contributing factors:
* The extra wifom you planted around the possibility of losing mcmc before it happened.
I would never do this as scum.
* Two of the players you voted quite briefly in D1 are still alive (Galz and Swan), so one or other (maybe not both) of those make decent light buses for D1.
That only makes sense if galz and swan are scum, which means that this is extremely circumstantial evidence, the kind of evidence LaLight is basing his vote on me for.
* You ended up as the first-placed player on the IDP wagon in spite of saying earlier that he was townie.
I did think he was townie, then thought his later posts were scummy. That is how this game works, especially D1.
* You spent much of D2 voting O, who I think is being townie.
How is O being townie?
* You were also on the Robz misslynch, and while he was being undeniably off in his play, I still think we'll find scum pushing him too.
You basically answer this one for yourself. He was being scummy.
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And if he’s scum, your observation is even more irrelevant
Ok let’s say it is irrelevant. How is that enough to vote? What about something being irrelevant makes me scummy?
As i have already mentioned, you quarrels with O make it look like you are both scum; while i was reading this game i boticed some things i was sure you were scum because of; can’t point now, phone, dama. Anyway, point is i thought you were scum and this irrelevant thing is just a trigger. I am also quite sure that if you’re scum, O is one as well
Does that work the same way? If O is scum, does that make me scum?
Also when was the last time that scum actually went at each other like that?
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If galz is town, Cuzz/EFHW aren’t the scum team.
I like how irrelevant this statement is. I think i am ready to vote: gkrieg13
What do you mean irrelevant. We are at MYLO, two people had a chance to hammer galzria. Eliminating possible scum team pairings is important. How on earth does that possibly warrant a vote.
It is irrelevant because we don’t know if Galz is town or scum and if we find out he’s town by lynhing him, it won’t matter how many pairings you did eliminate beforehand
poppy cock this eliminates skum team pairing. in what frikin world on this site full of damn masterminds would they double hammer as skum? hell to the no. all of you would wait it out for the long game and you know it.
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If galz is town, Cuzz/EFHW aren’t the scum team.
I like how irrelevant this statement is. I think i am ready to vote: gkrieg13
What do you mean irrelevant. We are at MYLO, two people had a chance to hammer galzria. Eliminating possible scum team pairings is important. How on earth does that possibly warrant a vote.
It is irrelevant because we don’t know if Galz is town or scum and if we find out he’s town by lynhing him, it won’t matter how many pairings you did eliminate beforehand
normally this would make sense, but as Galz has contributed essentially nothing to this game, his pre-disposition of being helpful as town is falling off. He is just another lurker at this point so lynching him either finds skum and yay, or finds town and does the same thing as every other lynch candidate to date imo.
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alsooo wanted to wait longer but because..
1) This Galz has pretty much sat around until the last 24 hours each day and then acted up to move things around... and we approaching that mark
and
2) Town!Galz, in literally every game we have played together has been town, and also pushed back at me when I skum read him. No push this game.
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If galz is town, Cuzz/EFHW aren’t the scum team.
I like how irrelevant this statement is. I think i am ready to vote: gkrieg13
This actually seems extremely well thought out and I was skum reading TWM. Moving TWM/LL into my null.
OK so Lalight replaces in and immediately votes. This is unexpected.
Do we think Town!Lalight replaces in at what is very possibly MYLO and votes immediately?
I like this point very much.
LL where is your pro-town sense of MYLO restraint? Explain yourself.
It’s mylo, not lylo, my vote is first as i checked before voting and can not cause a quickhammer in any way
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If galz is town, Cuzz/EFHW aren’t the scum team.
I like how irrelevant this statement is. I think i am ready to vote: gkrieg13
OK so Lalight replaces in and immediately votes. This is unexpected.
Do we think Town!Lalight replaces in at what is very possibly MYLO and votes immediately?
I like this point very much.
LL where is your pro-town sense of MYLO restraint? Explain yourself.
It’s mylo, not lylo, my vote is first as i checked before voting and can not cause a quickhammer in any way
fixed.
This actually seems extremely well thought out and I was skum reading TWM. Moving TWM/LL into my null.
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Unvote For some reason I forgot Datswan remade his vote count. Probably OK anyways but don't want to leave Galz L-2. Still my intent is on Galz atm
2 days left. dont want this post to be forgotten.
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LL - Don't tell me why GK, but please lmk why NOT Galz?
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And if he’s scum, your observation is even more irrelevant
Ok let’s say it is irrelevant. How is that enough to vote? What about something being irrelevant makes me scummy?
As i have already mentioned, you quarrels with O make it look like you are both scum; while i was reading this game i boticed some things i was sure you were scum because of; can’t point now, phone, dama. Anyway, point is i thought you were scum and this irrelevant thing is just a trigger. I am also quite sure that if you’re scum, O is one as well
Does that work the same way? If O is scum, does that make me scum?
Also when was the last time that scum actually went at each other like that?
no it doesn't.
can't remember.
the fact you pointed it out makes it possible.
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If galz is town, Cuzz/EFHW aren’t the scum team.
I like how irrelevant this statement is. I think i am ready to vote: gkrieg13
OK so Lalight replaces in and immediately votes. This is unexpected.
Do we think Town!Lalight replaces in at what is very possibly MYLO and votes immediately?
I like this point very much.
LL where is your pro-town sense of MYLO restraint? Explain yourself.
It’s mylo, not lylo, my vote is first as i checked before voting and can not cause a quickhammer in any way
fixed.
This actually seems extremely well thought out and I was skum reading TWM. Moving TWM/LL into my null.
You don't think scum!Lalight would think this out as well?
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Unvote For some reason I forgot Datswan remade his vote count. Probably OK anyways but don't want to leave Galz L-2. Still my intent is on Galz atm
2 days left. dont want this post to be forgotten.
What do you want us to remember here?
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Sixty days of trips and stays you took to tell me, dear
That you cannot love me because you secretly still love a stone
(https://youtu.be/OphOQn1RvcU?t=115)
Vote count 3.7
Galzria (2): gkrieg13, DatSwan
gkrieg13 (1): Lalight
not voting (5): SpaceAnemone, Galzria, Cuzz, EFHW, O
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, April 25 at 8:30am forum time.
Mod Note: Prod sent to Galzria
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If galz is town, Cuzz/EFHW aren’t the scum team.
I like how irrelevant this statement is. I think i am ready to vote: gkrieg13
OK so Lalight replaces in and immediately votes. This is unexpected.
Do we think Town!Lalight replaces in at what is very possibly MYLO and votes immediately?
I like this point very much.
LL where is your pro-town sense of MYLO restraint? Explain yourself.
It’s mylo, not lylo, my vote is first as i checked before voting and can not cause a quickhammer in any way
fixed.
This actually seems extremely well thought out and I was skum reading TWM. Moving TWM/LL into my null.
You don't think scum!Lalight would think this out as well?
That’s a fair enough concept -but i did say moving them to null, not moving them to town.
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Unvote For some reason I forgot Datswan remade his vote count. Probably OK anyways but don't want to leave Galz L-2. Still my intent is on Galz atm
2 days left. dont want this post to be forgotten.
What do you want us to remember here?
Just the fact that it was said is all. The statement itself is pretty NAI. Just reminding people of the potential vote.
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You did one reread and decided that I was the scummiest person?
You were the top scum-candidate on my mind at that moment. I think that you, EFHW and Galz all have scumpoints going for you, but you don't make a sound scumteam because otherwise the end of D2 would be too weird, with you all voting one after another. There are possible scum-pairs and scum-trios with each of you, though.
As far as reading you goes, I think the main things that ring bells are:
* How prepared you came into each of the new days. I know you've argued against that already, but for me it still feels off.
I didn't come prepared. If you look at the time that I posted, there is plenty of time for me to think about what happened.
* Related to the first point, but you being a strong later-game player and still being alive in the first place might indicate that you have fewer factions who might want to kill you than most.
This is a bad argument. There are still many people alive that are strong players. And the people who have died (e, mcmc, faust) are generally regarded as strong players as well.
* Trying to steer the game towards a massclaim without good justification of how it helps town. I think statistically speaking, there are some justifications, and you're someone who should have been able to find those, but you didn't, which makes me wonder if you're really wanting a massclaim for a townie reason.
I already gave my justification. It would help us because we are at MYLO. Having another IC would help us, and it is possible that we would have a 1v1, which is easier to analyze than the situation we are in right now.
* You make a point about potentially having a role we can't have in the game, which felt a lot like a scum who knows more than we do about the setup trying to cover his tracks and pretend to know less, but forgetting exactly what town knows and going too far in the wrong direction.
Where did I show that I had more information so that I actually needed to cover my tracks? I just realized what you are talking about, becasue I thought the SK carried down for all of those letters.
* You've become quite defensive and direct about challenging people who express any sort scumread on you, even though you're not even the leading wagon, which seems quite jumpy.
We are at MYLO. It doesn't matter if I am the leading wagon or whatever, if I get two votes on me from town, mafia could quickhammer me for the win. It is also pretty much the only thing that is being talked about, and the day ends fairly soon. I haven't even been that defensive. People have expressed scumreads on me for no reason. I even got a vote for a horrible reason, which has now been backed up with more vague reasoning. I also thought that TWM was town, and that means that LaLight voting for me could potentially lose us the game. Also, O, you, and LaLight have expressed scumreads on me. The point is that I want to stop this before it gets momentum so that we can actually lynch scum.
Other more minor contributing factors:
* The extra wifom you planted around the possibility of losing mcmc before it happened.
I would never do this as scum.
* Two of the players you voted quite briefly in D1 are still alive (Galz and Swan), so one or other (maybe not both) of those make decent light buses for D1.
That only makes sense if galz and swan are scum, which means that this is extremely circumstantial evidence, the kind of evidence LaLight is basing his vote on me for.
* You ended up as the first-placed player on the IDP wagon in spite of saying earlier that he was townie.
I did think he was townie, then thought his later posts were scummy. That is how this game works, especially D1.
* You spent much of D2 voting O, who I think is being townie.
How is O being townie?
* You were also on the Robz misslynch, and while he was being undeniably off in his play, I still think we'll find scum pushing him too.
You basically answer this one for yourself. He was being scummy.
Responses in bold
That bolding thing makes responses a bit hard to go back and add inline without mess!
Anyway, I think you're a strong player, so the fact you're still here makes me a little more cautious about how I'm reading you. I can't argue about who else you might think is strong, but I'd certainly worry more about you than someone like e.
You didn't specifically show you have more information than I do, but by going down the "it's even possible that we have X" route, where it's not actually possible that we have X, it makes sense that you might get there as scum because you're overcompensating for the extra knowledge you probably have. I don't know exactly what you know about the rest of the setup, though!
I never said I thought that you are scum with Galz and Swan, I said that if one or other might be a decent place to look for light D1 bussing. You were the one who brought up looking for scum pairs as a way of catching scum here, and it's a technique I generally agree with. I'm not bad at spotting anomalies in wagons, I think, since I reformat every ongoing game into a series of wagons and add colour where possible, but this game hasn't given me a lot to work with. There are a lot of possible scum-pairings based on early-game interactions or lack of interactions.
How is O being non-towny? (Apologies for channeling Awaclus, but it feels like a relevant question in response to yours!).
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Request prod on Cuzz
He's been way too gone, and I still disagree with O's observation that he's present enough for D3.
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Request prod on Cuzz
He's been way too gone, and I still disagree with O's observation that he's present enough for D3.
Hey.
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I think I could vote for Galz or LL today
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or gkrieg maybe. I feel pretty sure that at least one of the people currently voting is scum (bold take I know), since scum is way less cautious about voting at mylo/lylo. I would even bet that at least one of the current votes is a bus.
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or gkrieg maybe. I feel pretty sure that at least one of the people currently voting is scum (bold take I know), since scum is way less cautious about voting at mylo/lylo. I would even bet that at least one of the current votes is a bus.
But it also takes away the opportunity to quick hammer.
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I am sorry, why haven't we massclaimed? Is it because we don't know for sure if this is MyLo or not?
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I am sorry, why haven't we massclaimed? Is it because we don't know for sure if this is MyLo or not?
Presumably anyone with useful information would claim.
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or gkrieg maybe. I feel pretty sure that at least one of the people currently voting is scum (bold take I know), since scum is way less cautious about voting at mylo/lylo. I would even bet that at least one of the current votes is a bus.
But it also takes away the opportunity to quick hammer.
SK makes 4 scum.
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What if scum are offering up their teammate Galzria for towncred? That would explain Galzria's absence and put FOS on DatSwan in particular, also gkrieg.
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What if scum are offering up their teammate Galzria for towncred? That would explain Galzria's absence and put FOS on DatSwan in particular, also gkrieg.
Again, we will know that if/when Galz would be lynched. If he's scum, it's still better to lynch him before DS and/or gkrieg
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Although I put my lips to your face, trying to push his kiss out of its place...
(https://youtu.be/OphOQn1RvcU?t=123)
Vote count 3.8
Galzria (2): gkrieg13, DatSwan
gkrieg13 (1): Lalight
not voting (5): SpaceAnemone, Galzria, Cuzz, EFHW, O
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, April 25 at 8:30am forum time.
Mod Note: ~24 hours are left until deadline.
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What if scum are offering up their teammate Galzria for towncred? That would explain Galzria's absence and put FOS on DatSwan in particular, also gkrieg.
Again, we will know that if/when Galz would be lynched. If he's scum, it's still better to lynch him before DS and/or gkrieg
Well I haven't been planning on voting for Galz.
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or gkrieg maybe. I feel pretty sure that at least one of the people currently voting is scum (bold take I know), since scum is way less cautious about voting at mylo/lylo. I would even bet that at least one of the current votes is a bus.
But it also takes away the opportunity to quick hammer.
Scum doesn’t care about quickhammering. They care about winning the game.
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or gkrieg maybe. I feel pretty sure that at least one of the people currently voting is scum (bold take I know), since scum is way less cautious about voting at mylo/lylo. I would even bet that at least one of the current votes is a bus.
But it also takes away the opportunity to quick hammer.
Scum doesn’t care about quickhammering. They care about winning the game.
I guess it depends on who you are. I'm always looking for quickhammer opportunities at MYLO. Especially when it is possible that scum has daychat right now.
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What if scum are offering up their teammate Galzria for towncred? That would explain Galzria's absence and put FOS on DatSwan in particular, also gkrieg.
Again, we will know that if/when Galz would be lynched. If he's scum, it's still better to lynch him before DS and/or gkrieg
Well I haven't been planning on voting for Galz.
can you remind me your top choices?
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What if scum are offering up their teammate Galzria for towncred? That would explain Galzria's absence and put FOS on DatSwan in particular, also gkrieg.
I don't think you can make these accusations until after we know how galzria flips.
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What if scum are offering up their teammate Galzria for towncred? That would explain Galzria's absence and put FOS on DatSwan in particular, also gkrieg.
I don't think you can make these accusations until after we know how galzria flips.
That probably explains why EFHW used the word "would."
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What if scum are offering up their teammate Galzria for towncred? That would explain Galzria's absence and put FOS on DatSwan in particular, also gkrieg.
I don't think you can make these accusations until after we know how galzria flips.
That's the beauty of hypotheticals. You can make accusations based off of whatever conditionals you want.
Town overall is quiet, which worries me because that would make sense if Galz was town and scum were okay with letting current momentum ride. But also Galz is exceedingly quiet, which makes very little sense if Galz is town. Makes more sense for it to be scum!Galz hoping I second guess myself.
After all, one of the self-proclaimed strongest town players would never be lurking it out on their deathbed!
TLDR the entire 0 defense given in recent days has shockingly not made me change my suspicions, still plan to lynch Galz. Am open to other suggestions but frankly given how little I can and do trust most of the rest of you it's hard to see why I'd follow one.
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What if scum are offering up their teammate Galzria for towncred? That would explain Galzria's absence and put FOS on DatSwan in particular, also gkrieg.
I don't think you can make these accusations until after we know how galzria flips.
That probably explains why EFHW used the word "would."
I guess I'm saying it is scummy to post such a thing until after we know Galzria's alignment.
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What if scum are offering up their teammate Galzria for towncred? That would explain Galzria's absence and put FOS on DatSwan in particular, also gkrieg.
I don't think you can make these accusations until after we know how galzria flips.
That probably explains why EFHW used the word "would."
I guess I'm saying it is scummy to post such a thing until after we know Galzria's alignment.
It’s not scummy, but you’re scummy for saying it is.
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What if scum are offering up their teammate Galzria for towncred? That would explain Galzria's absence and put FOS on DatSwan in particular, also gkrieg.
I don't think you can make these accusations until after we know how galzria flips.
How so?
That probably explains why EFHW used the word "would."
I guess I'm saying it is scummy to post such a thing until after we know Galzria's alignment.
It’s not scummy, but you’re scummy for saying it is.
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What if scum are offering up their teammate Galzria for towncred? That would explain Galzria's absence and put FOS on DatSwan in particular, also gkrieg.
I don't think you can make these accusations until after we know how galzria flips.
That probably explains why EFHW used the word "would."
I guess I'm saying it is scummy to post such a thing until after we know Galzria's alignment.
It’s not scummy, but you’re scummy for saying it is.
How so?
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Things are really dragging here. vote: Lalight
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Things are really dragging here. vote: Lalight
Why LaLight over Galz?
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Things are really dragging here. vote: Lalight
Why LaLight over Galz?
Because I think Galz is an easy scum target because of the hammer and I have been consistently reading TWM and LL as scummy.
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Just quick note to the SK, you lose today if you are lynched, or if town is lynched. We all need to lynch scum in order for you to have any chance to win.
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Although my heart started to race...
(https://youtu.be/OphOQn1RvcU?t=133)
Vote count 3.9
Galzria (2): gkrieg13, DatSwan
gkrieg13 (1): Lalight
Lalight (1): EFHW
not voting (4): SpaceAnemone, Galzria, Cuzz,, O
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, April 25 at 8:30am forum time.
Mod Note: ~15 hours are left until deadline.
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Vote: Galzria
No posts here in ~4-5 days? Last active today. Posted to sign in/out of M116.
Scummy people currently voting for Galz. Lack of content suggests scum are fine with the Galz lynch going thru. Gkrieg and Lalight/TWM look especially scummy today.
All of that is easily outweighed by Galzria, typically a highly and invested active mafia player AND the primary lynch option right now, not even trying to prevent his own lynch. Town!Galz is so very unlikely to do that, while scum Galz could be letting the bus happen or just banking on his teammates winning post-lynch.
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Vote: Galzria it is. Deadline is sooner and less conveniently timed than I realized.
Something in the ballpark of a gkrieg/Galz/LL scumteam with O as SK is starting to feel right to me.
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Unvote
... were you waiting for me to vote?
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Not sure if Cuzz is trying to quickhammer or something but that's some off timing..
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Unvote
... were you waiting for me to vote?
Nah I was just inspired by your initiative.
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meh nevermind Vote: Galzria
I don't see another lynch going through, especially not without Cuzz as a voter, so no point in paranoia over timing.
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Something in the ballpark of a gkrieg/Galz/LL scumteam with O as SK is starting to feel right to me.
yes, yes, yes, no.
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I'm here and catching up/reorganising thoughts! I almost thought I'd missed a sudden hammer, but I think it's only 4 people on Galz at present. The fact that scum possibly/probably know who the SK is, have a possible reason to want to lynch them over shooting at night (especially if O is right about e being a mafia kill), and that several people have been pushing only Galz in D3 with very little discussion of who the other scums are kind of makes me nervous there, even though I'd previously convinced myself that the SK is a different person for other reasons.
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In other news, Haddock and I (plus a couple of other friends) finally reached the end of Pandemic Legacy Season 2 tonight, and it was intense, so I'm a bit wiped out now.
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Now it has slowed...
(https://youtu.be/OphOQn1RvcU?t=138)
Vote count 3.10
Galzria (4): gkrieg13, DatSwan, Cuzz, O (L-1)
gkrieg13 (1): Lalight
Lalight (1): EFHW
not voting (2): SpaceAnemone, Galzria
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, April 25 at 8:30am forum time.
Mod Note: ~13 hours are left until deadline.
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Vote: gkrieg, since I feel surprisingly unworried about his teammates quickhammering now.
The deadline is 13.30 for me, which is about when I normally take my lunch break, so that's really convenient for once.
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Vote: gkrieg, since I feel surprisingly unworried about his teammates quickhammering now.
The deadline is 13.30 for me, which is about when I normally take my lunch break, so that's really convenient for once.
Which "his teammates" are you referring to? I'm not sure if that is me or galzria.
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Vote: gkrieg, since I feel surprisingly unworried about his teammates quickhammering now.
The deadline is 13.30 for me, which is about when I normally take my lunch break, so that's really convenient for once.
Which "his teammates" are you referring to? I'm not sure if that is me or galzria.
Actually regardless of who it is referring to, I'm not sure I understand your point.
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Actually with galzria not here, scum has won if galzria is town anyway.
town + SK are needed to lynch scum, and galzria has not voted for anyone. I'm pretty sure a no-lynch still has pretty high chances of ending in a mafia win, so if galz doesn't show up and we no-lynch because his partners are unwilling to bus, I'm pretty sure mafia still win with decent probability.
I guess if mafia block the SK, then only their kill goes through, which would put us at weird LYLO, where there are 3 town, 1 SK and 3 mafia.
Hmmmmmm... I think (I'm still at work and thinking about other things atm) that mafia 100% wins if we lynch town or SK here and they either block SK to force LYLO tomorrow or they let SK shoot, which SK should be trying to shoot mafia at that point. Then we have more MYLO. If SK hits town, mafia win.
Basically a no lynch isn't that bad for scum here, but probably bad for town and SK. So I'm scum reading people who don't hammer galz, assuming galz isn't coming back.
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Vote: gkrieg, since I feel surprisingly unworried about his teammates quickhammering now.
The deadline is 13.30 for me, which is about when I normally take my lunch break, so that's really convenient for once.
Which "his teammates" are you referring to? I'm not sure if that is me or galzria.
Actually regardless of who it is referring to, I'm not sure I understand your point.
It means I think you have scum teammates, and even if they chose to offer you up for towncred, I'm okay with that for today.
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So I'm scum reading people who don't hammer galz, assuming galz isn't coming back.
What makes you so confident that Galz isn't the SK?
If the game is that broken with one player being absent, I think the mods should find a way to sub for him or rebalance the game somehow. After all, as setup like this shouldn't be as hard to sub someone into as RMM42 was...
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So I'm scum reading people who don't hammer galz, assuming galz isn't coming back.
What makes you so confident that Galz isn't the SK?
If the game is that broken with one player being absent, I think the mods should find a way to sub for him or rebalance the game somehow. After all, as setup like this shouldn't be as hard to sub someone into as RMM42 was...
rebalance the game?
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So I'm scum reading people who don't hammer galz, assuming galz isn't coming back.
What makes you so confident that Galz isn't the SK?
If the game is that broken with one player being absent, I think the mods should find a way to sub for him or rebalance the game somehow. After all, as setup like this shouldn't be as hard to sub someone into as RMM42 was...
At MYLO, one town player being absent is always broken such that town can't lynch scum. That's why inactivity as town is so bad at MYLO or LYLO. This isn't something specific to this setup, it is something specific to mafia. At some point you will reach a point where you need all town to agree on someone to lynch scum if they don't bus.
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So I'm scum reading people who don't hammer galz, assuming galz isn't coming back.
What makes you so confident that Galz isn't the SK?
If the game is that broken with one player being absent, I think the mods should find a way to sub for him or rebalance the game somehow. After all, as setup like this shouldn't be as hard to sub someone into as RMM42 was...
If galz is the SK, town has lost.
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I am looking for a sub for Galzria.
The day is extended 24 hours for now.
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Hydrad replaces Galzria, effective immediately. The day will now end on April 27 8:30AM forum time. That is in ~37 hours.
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Sup Hydrad!
Why should we not lynch you?
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...I'll let it go.
(https://youtu.be/OphOQn1RvcU?t=140)
Vote count 3.11
Hydrad (4): gkrieg13, DatSwan, Cuzz, O (L-1)
gkrieg13 (2): Lalight, SpaceAnemone
Lalight (1): EFHW
not voting (1): Hydrad
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends Thursday, April 25 at 8:30am forum time.
Mod Note: 1) ~37 hours are left until deadline.
2) I'm out of song lyrics. Oh noes!
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Ohi. I am currently doing a speed read to catch up. So I'll tell you in a bit I guess of why you shouldn't lynch me. Also cause i'm town so that helps in the reasoning department.
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Something in the ballpark of a gkrieg/Galz/LL scumteam with O as SK is starting to feel right to me.
yes, yes, yes, no.
galz, space, efhw, LL
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Worth pointing out that Space!Scum and HydraGalz!Town is pretty unrealistic at this point
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ok super quick reread done.
end thoughts.
scale of 1 - 10. 10 = scum
gkrieg13(1.4): his posts read towny to me. I like him. don't really wanna lynch if I can help it.
DatSwan(8.8): Scum, my biggest scumread from the reread. Really didn't like the end of day 1 from him.
Cuzz(6.5): I like remember almost nothing from him most of the time. nothing really struck me as towny from what he was doing.
O(5.4): uh. ya your kinda there. I'll be honest I don't know what to think of you so i'm just putting you in the middle.
Lalight(4.1): I like you.
SpaceAnemone(2.5): he also feels towny to me. don't really wanna lynch him either.
EFHW(5): I've never been able to read you.
Galz(14.9): wow possibly the most towny player I have ever seen, he deserves an award.
PPE:6
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Vote: DatSwan
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kinda sucks that its me or gkrieg right now. don't like either of those.
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Really it's mostly you as a lynch candidate tho. Also Space's pronouns are either They or She/Her (not sure if Space minds other people correcting, if so apologies!)
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Really it's mostly you as a lynch candidate tho. Also Space's pronouns are either They or She/Her (not sure if Space minds other people correcting, if so apologies!)
ah mb. thanks for letting me know. so many new faces.
and ya I realize its mostly me. but I believe in miracles.
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Something in the ballpark of a gkrieg/Galz/LL scumteam with O as SK is starting to feel right to me.
yes, yes, yes, no.
galz, space, efhw, LL
I have EFHW/O as the third scum. Not sure which one but lean O right now.
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Really it's mostly you as a lynch candidate tho. Also Space's pronouns are either They or She/Her (not sure if Space minds other people correcting, if so apologies!)
ah mb. thanks for letting me know. so many new faces.
and ya I realize its mostly me. but I believe in miracles.
miracles are easy if you are skum.
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ok super quick reread done.
end thoughts.
scale of 1 - 10. 10 = scum
gkrieg13(1.4): his posts read towny to me. I like him. don't really wanna lynch if I can help it.
DatSwan(8.8): Scum, my biggest scumread from the reread. Really didn't like the end of day 1 from him.
Cuzz(6.5): I like remember almost nothing from him most of the time. nothing really struck me as towny from what he was doing.
O(5.4): uh. ya your kinda there. I'll be honest I don't know what to think of you so i'm just putting you in the middle.
Lalight(4.1): I like you.
SpaceAnemone(2.5): he also feels towny to me. don't really wanna lynch him either.
EFHW(5): I've never been able to read you.
Galz(14.9): wow possibly the most towny player I have ever seen, he deserves an award.
PPE:6
anyone else catch the funny part about his post?
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Worth pointing out that Space!Scum and HydraGalz!Town is pretty unrealistic at this point
What about Skum!Space and Skum!HydraGalz?
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ok super quick reread done.
end thoughts.
scale of 1 - 10. 10 = scum
gkrieg13(1.4): his posts read towny to me. I like him. don't really wanna lynch if I can help it.
DatSwan(8.8): Scum, my biggest scumread from the reread. Really didn't like the end of day 1 from him.
Cuzz(6.5): I like remember almost nothing from him most of the time. nothing really struck me as towny from what he was doing.
O(5.4): uh. ya your kinda there. I'll be honest I don't know what to think of you so i'm just putting you in the middle.
Lalight(4.1): I like you.
SpaceAnemone(2.5): he also feels towny to me. don't really wanna lynch him either.
EFHW(5): I've never been able to read you.
Galz(14.9): wow possibly the most towny player I have ever seen, he deserves an award.
PPE:6
anyone else catch the funny part about his post?
14.9? :)
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Worth pointing out that Space!Scum and HydraGalz!Town is pretty unrealistic at this point
What about Skum!Space and Skum!HydraGalz?
Also, would like it to be noted my pool in order goes [Galz, LL, EFHW, Space], so I am not saying by any means that Galz flipping skum = Space being the next sure thing. I would much rather lynch Galz today and LL tomorrow. Or EFHW... but unless something changes Space is last on my list in regards to that pool
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ok super quick reread done.
end thoughts.
scale of 1 - 10. 10 = scum
gkrieg13(1.4): his posts read towny to me. I like him. don't really wanna lynch if I can help it.
DatSwan(8.8): Scum, my biggest scumread from the reread. Really didn't like the end of day 1 from him.
Cuzz(6.5): I like remember almost nothing from him most of the time. nothing really struck me as towny from what he was doing.
O(5.4): uh. ya your kinda there. I'll be honest I don't know what to think of you so i'm just putting you in the middle.
Lalight(4.1): I like you.
SpaceAnemone(2.5): he also feels towny to me. don't really wanna lynch him either.
EFHW(5): I've never been able to read you.
Galz(14.9): wow possibly the most towny player I have ever seen, he deserves an award.
PPE:6
anyone else catch the funny part about his post?
14.9? :)
... I am the only skum read...
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ok super quick reread done.
end thoughts.
scale of 1 - 10. 10 = scum
gkrieg13(1.4): his posts read towny to me. I like him. don't really wanna lynch if I can help it.
DatSwan(8.8): Scum, my biggest scumread from the reread. Really didn't like the end of day 1 from him.
Cuzz(6.5): I like remember almost nothing from him most of the time. nothing really struck me as towny from what he was doing.
O(5.4): uh. ya your kinda there. I'll be honest I don't know what to think of you so i'm just putting you in the middle.
Lalight(4.1): I like you.
SpaceAnemone(2.5): he also feels towny to me. don't really wanna lynch him either.
EFHW(5): I've never been able to read you.
Galz(14.9): wow possibly the most towny player I have ever seen, he deserves an award.
PPE:6
anyone else catch the funny part about his post?
14.9? :)
... I am the only skum read...
I thought that he puts skum to 10, then says he himself is 14.9. That's a funny part
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ok super quick reread done.
end thoughts.
scale of 1 - 10. 10 = scum
gkrieg13(1.4): his posts read towny to me. I like him. don't really wanna lynch if I can help it.
DatSwan(8.8): Scum, my biggest scumread from the reread. Really didn't like the end of day 1 from him.
Cuzz(6.5): I like remember almost nothing from him most of the time. nothing really struck me as towny from what he was doing.
O(5.4): uh. ya your kinda there. I'll be honest I don't know what to think of you so i'm just putting you in the middle.
Lalight(4.1): I like you.
SpaceAnemone(2.5): he also feels towny to me. don't really wanna lynch him either.
EFHW(5): I've never been able to read you.
Galz(14.9): wow possibly the most towny player I have ever seen, he deserves an award.
PPE:6
anyone else catch the funny part about his post?
14.9? :)
... I am the only skum read...
I thought that he puts skum to 10, then says he himself is 14.9. That's a funny part
oh shoot. -3 for me. I don't know why I keep doing this but I think I remember doing this multiple times when I use this method and I throw myself into the rankings.
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ok super quick reread done.
end thoughts.
scale of 1 - 10. 10 = scum
gkrieg13(1.4): his posts read towny to me. I like him. don't really wanna lynch if I can help it.
DatSwan(8.8): Scum, my biggest scumread from the reread. Really didn't like the end of day 1 from him.
Cuzz(6.5): I like remember almost nothing from him most of the time. nothing really struck me as towny from what he was doing.
O(5.4): uh. ya your kinda there. I'll be honest I don't know what to think of you so i'm just putting you in the middle.
Lalight(4.1): I like you.
SpaceAnemone(2.5): he also feels towny to me. don't really wanna lynch him either.
EFHW(5): I've never been able to read you.
Galz(14.9): wow possibly the most towny player I have ever seen, he deserves an award.
PPE:6
anyone else catch the funny part about his post?
14.9? :)
... I am the only skum read...
I guess you could say that. From my view I also put cuzz as a scum read. I guess I didn't really post a reason there but the number meant I think hes scum. Sorry it wasn't that clear. I just think you are scummier.
Also is skum a new thing? I don't think I ever used to see that.
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ok super quick reread done.
end thoughts.
scale of 1 - 10. 10 = scum
gkrieg13(1.4): his posts read towny to me. I like him. don't really wanna lynch if I can help it.
DatSwan(8.8): Scum, my biggest scumread from the reread. Really didn't like the end of day 1 from him.
Cuzz(6.5): I like remember almost nothing from him most of the time. nothing really struck me as towny from what he was doing.
O(5.4): uh. ya your kinda there. I'll be honest I don't know what to think of you so i'm just putting you in the middle.
Lalight(4.1): I like you.
SpaceAnemone(2.5): he also feels towny to me. don't really wanna lynch him either.
EFHW(5): I've never been able to read you.
Galz(14.9): wow possibly the most towny player I have ever seen, he deserves an award.
PPE:6
anyone else catch the funny part about his post?
14.9? :)
... I am the only skum read...
I guess you could say that. From my view I also put cuzz as a scum read. I guess I didn't really post a reason there but the number meant I think hes scum. Sorry it wasn't that clear. I just think you are scummier.
Also is skum a new thing? I don't think I ever used to see that.
skum is a me thing no worries
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We have a problem in that we don't know what Galzria's absence meant. Since he needed a sub, it may have been real life issues and not alignment-specific. He came in very towny at the start of Day 3, while other people came in already decided that he was scum. Those of you voting Galzria - How does your opinion change if you don't consider his absence?
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Vote: DatSwan
I would vote here.
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We have a problem in that we don't know what Galzria's absence meant. Since he needed a sub, it may have been real life issues and not alignment-specific. He came in very towny at the start of Day 3, while other people came in already decided that he was scum. Those of you voting Galzria - How does your opinion change if you don't consider his absence?
It doesn't at all. I have to decide whether I think that the people not on galzria are town or the people on galzria are town. I think the people voting for galzria are a lot townier than the people not voting for galzria.
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For everyone left in the game, you either need to think that galzria is town/SK and all three scum are on wagon (otherwise they would have hammered for the win by now) or that galz is scum and his partners aren't bussing him knowing that there is a townie that isn't voting for him as well.
So for the townie/SK that isn't voting for galz, do you think that the entire scum team is voting for galz/Hydrad right now? Who is the erring townie who is also voting for galz/Hydrad?
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For everyone left in the game, you either need to think that galzria is town/SK and all three scum are on wagon (otherwise they would have hammered for the win by now) or that galz is scum and his partners aren't bussing him knowing that there is a townie that isn't voting for him as well.
So for the townie/SK that isn't voting for galz, do you think that the entire scum team is voting for galz/Hydrad right now? Who is the erring townie who is also voting for galz/Hydrad?
Why can’t Galz be scum with only one partner bussing?
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I have EFHW/O as the third scum. Not sure which one but lean O right now.
@Gkrieg Do you think it's likely two town members are not voting for GalzHydra, as is now implied by this statement?
We have some lovely evidence built up. Mainly that EFHW!Scum+GalzHydra!Town and LaLight!Scum + GalzHydra!Town are very unlikely. Surprising that Space hasn't posted and given us the third confirmation.
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We have a problem in that we don't know what Galzria's absence meant. Since he needed a sub, it may have been real life issues and not alignment-specific. He came in very towny at the start of Day 3, while other people came in already decided that he was scum. Those of you voting Galzria - How does your opinion change if you don't consider his absence?
Him quick hammering and then claiming "he is too skummy to be skum" is towny?
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For everyone left in the game, you either need to think that galzria is town/SK and all three scum are on wagon (otherwise they would have hammered for the win by now) or that galz is scum and his partners aren't bussing him knowing that there is a townie that isn't voting for him as well.
So for the townie/SK that isn't voting for galz, do you think that the entire scum team is voting for galz/Hydrad right now? Who is the erring townie who is also voting for galz/Hydrad?
Why can’t Galz be scum with only one partner bussing?
That's fine, but it means that any townie or SK should vote for him in that case, because he is scum.
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Vote: DatSwan
I would vote here.
suprise
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I have EFHW/O as the third scum. Not sure which one but lean O right now.
@Gkrieg Do you think it's likely two town members are not voting for GalzHydra, as is now implied by this statement?
We have some lovely evidence built up. Mainly that EFHW!Scum+GalzHydra!Town and LaLight!Scum + GalzHydra!Town are very unlikely. Surprising that Space hasn't posted and given us the third confirmation.
I'm coming to terms with the fact that you are probably town, or at least not scum. It's hard because I had a scum read on you for so long, but I think the way things are going right now imply that you must be non-mafia.
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For everyone left in the game, you either need to think that galzria is town/SK and all three scum are on wagon (otherwise they would have hammered for the win by now) or that galz is scum and his partners aren't bussing him knowing that there is a townie that isn't voting for him as well.
So for the townie/SK that isn't voting for galz, do you think that the entire scum team is voting for galz/Hydrad right now? Who is the erring townie who is also voting for galz/Hydrad?
Why can’t Galz be scum with only one partner bussing?
I guess my point is that either the entire scum team is on galz right now (so look at the people and decide if you think the entire scum team is there), or galz is scum. I'm pretty sure there is not a different case to look at. Those are the only two assuming we are at MYLO and scum is playing optimally.
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For everyone left in the game, you either need to think that galzria is town/SK and all three scum are on wagon (otherwise they would have hammered for the win by now) or that galz is scum and his partners aren't bussing him knowing that there is a townie that isn't voting for him as well.
So for the townie/SK that isn't voting for galz, do you think that the entire scum team is voting for galz/Hydrad right now? Who is the erring townie who is also voting for galz/Hydrad?
Why can’t Galz be scum with only one partner bussing?
I guess my point is that either the entire scum team is on galz right now (so look at the people and decide if you think the entire scum team is there), or galz is scum. I'm pretty sure there is not a different case to look at. Those are the only two assuming we are at MYLO and scum is playing optimally.
this is kind of perfect logic actually.
Either
he mafia and there is a double bus
he mafia and there is a single bus
he mafia and there is no bus
or
he town and all mafia is on him already
he SK and all mafia is on him already
bottom two options are like... extremely unlikely, even factoring out the bias I have in my Skum!GalzHydrad read.
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Hammering doesn't guarantee a win for scum. I think the assumption that scum would hammer town!Hydrad here is misleading.
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It's easily worth the trade here and I think it's a quite fair assumption that scum would hammer town!GalzHydrad
There's not even a guarantee that hammering Galzria would lead to a lynch of the hammerer.
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Hammering doesn't guarantee a win for scum. I think the assumption that scum would hammer town!Hydrad here is misleading.
I'm with this. I'm assuming there's an SK since there was some double deaths. Or if there is a vig its still not safe for scum.
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Hammering doesn't guarantee a win for scum. I think the assumption that scum would hammer town!Hydrad here is misleading.
There are two reasons it would not guarantee a win:
(1) Scum doesn't know who the SK is (this is still very possible, but they should have a townrole cop and probably have a roleblocker/rolestopper with 5 shots that can't have used all their shots yet). They should be able to block the SK kill tonight and then they have won.
(2) I can't remember this right now, but there was a second reason.
Either way, it would get them a mislynch, that would be very easy to weasel your way out of. So even though it might not be a direct win, they have a VERY high chance of it being an outright win, and either way it is a mislynch rather than a scum lynch. There is also the possibility that galz is the SK, in which case it is an outright win for them.
Why else is it not a guaranteed scum win?
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It's easily worth the trade here and I think it's a quite fair assumption that scum would hammer town!GalzHydrad
There's not even a guarantee that hammering Galzria would lead to a lynch of the hammerer.
Basically this.
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I want everyone not on Hydrad/Galzria to at least check in and tell me why my reasoning is flawed. The fact that the people not on Hydrad/Galzria aren't trying to get anyone else lynched is bad. Suggest another option! Try to put a case together that is stronger than the one on Hydrad/Galzria!
Hammering doesn't guarantee a win for scum. I think the assumption that scum would hammer town!Hydrad here is misleading.
This is just wayyyyyyy too weak of reasoning to not vote for galzria/Hydrad. Town doesn't sit this long at L-1 when it is potentially MYLO, and there is a 1/5 chance he is the SK. They just don't.
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Hammering doesn't guarantee a win for scum. I think the assumption that scum would hammer town!Hydrad here is misleading.
I'm with this. I'm assuming there's an SK since there was some double deaths. Or if there is a vig its still not safe for scum.
So.... couple thoughts.
1) If there is an SK, the money play here for Mafia is to get an SK lynch, closely followed by the 2nd place finisher - getting a Town lynch.
2) If there is no SK, the money play here for Mafia is to get a Town lynch. Possibly including the additional....
3) If there is a Vig, then from a Mafia perspective, right now, specifically in regards to this situation, the situation is the same as the first one (with the SK).
Any which way you look at it, Mafia either knows or doesn't know that there is a SK (or Vig). But they (assuming) don't know WHO that potential player is. If it is Town!GalzHydrad - then hammering them literally covers alllllllllll of their optimal courses of action (just as it would if "Town!Anyone" was on the block right now).
Additionally, grasping at ridiculous notions like this offers an inherent upside for Skum (assuming now again that it is Skum!GalzHydrad)... it does exactly what Skum would want in this situation - draws out a ton of time and gives them the best chance of forcing a scramble during the last absolute minutes of the day.
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Hammering doesn't guarantee a win for scum. I think the assumption that scum would hammer town!Hydrad here is misleading.
I'm with this. I'm assuming there's an SK since there was some double deaths. Or if there is a vig its still not safe for scum.
So.... couple thoughts.
1) If there is an SK, the money play here for Mafia is to get an SK lynch, closely followed by the 2nd place finisher - getting a Town lynch.
2) If there is no SK, the money play here for Mafia is to get a Town lynch. Possibly including the additional....
3) If there is a Vig, then from a Mafia perspective, right now, specifically in regards to this situation, the situation is the same as the first one (with the SK).
Any which way you look at it, Mafia either knows or doesn't know that there is a SK (or Vig). But they (assuming) don't know WHO that potential player is. If it is Town!GalzHydrad - then hammering them literally covers alllllllllll of their optimal courses of action (just as it would if "Town!Anyone" was on the block right now).
Additionally, grasping at ridiculous notions like this offers an inherent upside for Skum (assuming now again that it is Skum!GalzHydrad)... it does exactly what Skum would want in this situation - draws out a ton of time and gives them the best chance of forcing a scramble during the last absolute minutes of the day.
The only vig that can exist is a dayvig. The second night kill is, without exception, from an SK.
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Hammering doesn't guarantee a win for scum. I think the assumption that scum would hammer town!Hydrad here is misleading.
I'm with this. I'm assuming there's an SK since there was some double deaths. Or if there is a vig its still not safe for scum.
So.... couple thoughts.
1) If there is an SK, the money play here for Mafia is to get an SK lynch, closely followed by the 2nd place finisher - getting a Town lynch.
2) If there is no SK, the money play here for Mafia is to get a Town lynch. Possibly including the additional....
3) If there is a Vig, then from a Mafia perspective, right now, specifically in regards to this situation, the situation is the same as the first one (with the SK).
Any which way you look at it, Mafia either knows or doesn't know that there is a SK (or Vig). But they (assuming) don't know WHO that potential player is. If it is Town!GalzHydrad - then hammering them literally covers alllllllllll of their optimal courses of action (just as it would if "Town!Anyone" was on the block right now).
Additionally, grasping at ridiculous notions like this offers an inherent upside for Skum (assuming now again that it is Skum!GalzHydrad)... it does exactly what Skum would want in this situation - draws out a ton of time and gives them the best chance of forcing a scramble during the last absolute minutes of the day.
The only vig that can exist is a dayvig. The second night kill is, without exception, from an SK.
ok fine cool good note - i mean it changes nothing in regards to the context, but yeah i did not realize that.
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Also Space's pronouns are either They or She/Her (not sure if Space minds other people correcting, if so apologies!)
Thanks for jumping in there, O! I'm very happy for people to save me the trouble :-) I've also put pronouns into my sig (albeit in quite small writing) just so that nobody has to feel unsure about it.
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The only vig that can exist is a dayvig. The second night kill is, without exception, from an SK.
ok fine cool good note - i mean it changes nothing in regards to the context, but yeah i did not realize that.
I mean, I literally posted about the only vigging possibility being a dayvig back in early D2 at #561, because e (and apparently also gkrieg earlier than that, though I've forgotten those details now) had been talking like there were normal vigs.
I also suggested at that point that there's a chance it could be a "look how much I don't know what's going on" sort of thing. Just saying...
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The only vig that can exist is a dayvig. The second night kill is, without exception, from an SK.
ok fine cool good note - i mean it changes nothing in regards to the context, but yeah i did not realize that.
I mean, I literally posted about the only vigging possibility being a dayvig back in early D2 at #561, because e (and apparently also gkrieg earlier than that, though I've forgotten those details now) had been talking like there were normal vigs.
I also suggested at that point that there's a chance it could be a "look how much I don't know what's going on" sort of thing. Just saying...
Right but either
1) He didn't read your post and so he's in the same position Gkrieg and e are/were in
2) He saw your post and thus knew it would be a pretty damn stupid idea to play the faked ignorance card
IMO
More importantly, which three of Me/Cuzz/Datswan/Gkrieg are this hypothetical scumteaming pushing town!Galz? Or are you going to push EFHW's argument that scum wouldn't hammer town!Galz here because its not technically an autowin.
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I want everyone not on Hydrad/Galzria to at least check in and tell me why my reasoning is flawed.
Because I believe there's a decent (say at least 40% chance) he's going to flip SK and make it either an instaloss for us, or pin everything on having a dayvig who's holding their shot for some kind of glorious D4...
The fact that the people not on Hydrad/Galzria aren't trying to get anyone else lynched is bad. Suggest another option!
I'm voting you, and I've laid out a bunch of reasons why I think you're scummy. You also don't have to be scummier than Galz was, just less likely to cause the game to end.
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But who is the scumteam?
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Right but either
1) He didn't read your post and so he's in the same position Gkrieg and e are/were in
2) He saw your post and thus knew it would be a pretty damn stupid idea to play the faked ignorance card
Or he was lazy and forgot. Though if he's in the same position as gkrieg, that's firmly in my "scum" bucket anyway.
More importantly, which three of Me/Cuzz/Datswan/Gkrieg are this hypothetical scumteaming pushing town!Galz?
I'm not saying he's town, I'm saying I think HydraGalz is just the wrong kind of scum. And of the four voting, you are the towniest imho. On reads alone, I would have maybe been more suspicious of EFHW than Swan, though.
As for EFHW's argument that you also mentioned, I think it has merit, in that we shouldn't make it so easy by saying "optimal scum play is X" and then townread people who do Y instead of X.
PPE 1
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Vote count 3.12
Hydrad (4): gkrieg13, DatSwan, Cuzz, O (L-1)
gkrieg13 (2): Lalight, SpaceAnemone
Lalight (1): EFHW
DatSwan(1): Hydrad
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends Thursday, April 25 at 8:30am forum time.
Mod Note: ~13 hours are left until deadline.
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Ok like at least one person not on the wagon has to be Town. You need to do something. Day ends in like 12 hours.
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Less than 12..
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I feel like it is impossible that I’m on a town wagon with 3 scum, which means I’m 100% sure galz is scum.
The fact that people are going to let this go to a no lynch is ridiculous. I mean galzria posted himself that we are most likely at real MYLO. I guess the only other option is that SK knows who mafia is from shooting them last night and hitting the hidden commuter or something?
Ugh this is immensely frustrating.
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Things are really dragging here. vote: Lalight
The keep it simple, stupid answer is that LaLight is the remaining non-mafia off the wagon and EFHW and Space are Galzria's scum-buddies. This is pretty sucky because LaLight just replaced in and also scumreads me and you gkrieg.
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OK, gkrieg maybe scum but he makes a lot of sense. Sorry, Hydrad, that we played so little, vote: Hydrad
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Unfortunate.
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Does suck to replace in and immediately get lynched :'(
Blame your scummates + Galz for it (I hope, and assume).
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Does suck to replace in and immediately get lynched :'(
Blame your scummates + Galz for it (I hope, and assume).
nah thats fine. I also didn't do a very convincing job to try to live.
also I still think swan is scum.
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Does suck to replace in and immediately get lynched :'(
Blame your scummates + Galz for it (I hope, and assume).
nah thats fine. I also didn't do a very convincing job to try to live.
also I still think swan is scum.
either you are wrong as town, a vindictive SK (still wrong), or Mafia in which case whatever, say what you will.
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SK - bro/broseph... probably shoot EFHW or LL. Gives you the best chance.
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LL prob SK
EFHW prob mafia.
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and as much as it sucks a massive.... if we around at the end the choice is prob GK or O.
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What if scum are offering up their teammate Galzria for towncred? That would explain Galzria's absence and put FOS on DatSwan in particular, also gkrieg.
Again, we will know that if/when Galz would be lynched. If he's scum, it's still better to lynch him before DS and/or gkrieg
@Lalight
Why were you reluctant to hammer?
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What if scum are offering up their teammate Galzria for towncred? That would explain Galzria's absence and put FOS on DatSwan in particular, also gkrieg.
Again, we will know that if/when Galz would be lynched. If he's scum, it's still better to lynch him before DS and/or gkrieg
@Lalight
Why were you reluctant to hammer?
well, mostly I still thought gkrieg has more probability to be scum, other than that I am a little bit worried that I just lost us a game and I decided to wait until the end of day, also giving Hydrad a chance to say something which would be valuable if he's scum.
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And if I was some little swallow
had little wings and I could fly,
I'd drop out of sight of my own true lover
and there I'd sit 'til the day I die. (https://youtu.be/KXdhOHCNs4A)
Day 3 Final Vote Count
Hydrad (5): gkrieg13, DatSwan, Cuzz, O, Lalight
gkrieg13 (1): SpaceAnemone
Lalight (1): EFHW
DatSwan(1): Hydrad
Thread Locked.
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By the back room the kids all waited
to meet the man in bright green
who had dreamed up the dream
that they wrecked their hearts upon.
He's the liar who lied in his pop song.
And you're lying when you sing along.
And you're lying when you sing along. (https://youtu.be/BvDZpJrVymw?t=49)
Hydrad was the liar who lied in his song, a mafia roleblocker.
And I have seen the world of dreams
Fresh-flown through the trees then dropped off at the curb
Alive, I've seen the world awake
And I don't know which I deserve
(https://youtu.be/qEeEhoZC_xs)
Night Three begins now and last until April 28 at ~8:00AM forum time. Night actions are due by April 28 at 12:30AM.
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I start a shift at work at 830am tomorrow morning, so the night phase will end and day phase will start 30 minutes early at 800am forum time.
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Do you stop and stare, struck dumb, hands shaking, washed
by this constant, panicked wishing for what's lost? (https://youtu.be/lT5x-U4GtA4)
Day 4 Starts now!
Vote count 4.0
not voting (7): Lalight, DatSwan, SpaceAnemone, Cuzz, EFHW, O, Gkrieg13
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends Saturday, May 5 at 8:10am forum time.
Thread unlocked!
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wow awesome!
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free scum lynch everyone
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Sorry town, thanks for lynching the right one after all.
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Well I’m pretty sure my lynch pool is space/EFHW today.
Datswan is highly likely town btw
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vote: SpaceAnemone
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Datswan seems like Space's most likely partner though
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SK - bro/broseph... probably shoot EFHW or LL. Gives you the best chance.
LL prob SK
EFHW prob mafia.
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Datswan seems like Space's most likely partner though
Eh, I still don’t see it.
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I think Sheff wants to claim now.
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I think Sheff wants to claim now.
Especially with the roleblocker dead. Rolestopper doesn’t care what other roles are out.
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I can put together something on why Space is scum, but it should be pretty obvious to everyone.
Upside of Sheff claiming now is that we get the results 100% . The downside is that they could potentially get results one more night if they don't die.
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I don't even know that Sheff would be dying. SK and Scum both still alive
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My guess is that SK and mafia must've shot each other last night probably, or we have a bulletproof person being shot. I think there a few options:
(1) e was shot by both mafia and SK N2, mafia and SK both shot each other last night
(2) e was shot by both mafia and SK N2, mafia or SK shot the other last night, the other shot a bp person
(3) e was shot by either mafia or SK N2 and the other shot and now knows mafia or SK, mafia or SK shot the other and the other shot a bp person.
(4) multiple bp townies
Either way at least one of the scum knows about the other. If SK knows about mafia, then they just know the member who is a commuter. Mafia would obviously know who the SK is.
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Relieved to have been wrong about Galz being the other kind of scummy, because I was sure that was going to go badly. I still think gkrieg would make a perfectly good lunch too, and am unsurprised he's still suggesting me for a lunch pool. Interesting thing I noticed in his hypothesizing about the kills is that he hasn't cconsidered any of the scums can have been granted BP status by a town BPer, assuming one of more of those exist.
Anyway, I'm phone posting from bed after an eventful return from a concert day at an abbey outside the city.. car problems had us stranded in the cold on a scarily fast road till police help arrived, and now I'm too tired for much other than sleep.
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My guess is that SK and mafia must've shot each other last night probably, or we have a bulletproof person being shot. I think there a few options:
(1) e was shot by both mafia and SK N2, mafia and SK both shot each other last night
(2) e was shot by both mafia and SK N2, mafia or SK shot the other last night, the other shot a bp person
(3) e was shot by either mafia or SK N2 and the other shot and now knows mafia or SK, mafia or SK shot the other and the other shot a bp person.
(4) multiple bp townies
Either way at least one of the scum knows about the other. If SK knows about mafia, then they just know the member who is a commuter. Mafia would obviously know who the SK is.
wait... is this to say that in a scenario where SK and Mafia shoot either other the effects are negated? I would of assumed it was a double death no?
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Relieved to have been wrong about Galz being the other kind of scummy, because I was sure that was going to go badly. I still think gkrieg would make a perfectly good lunch too, and am unsurprised he's still suggesting me for a lunch pool. Interesting thing I noticed in his hypothesizing about the kills is that he hasn't cconsidered any of the scums can have been granted BP status by a town BPer, assuming one of more of those exist.
Anyway, I'm phone posting from bed after an eventful return from a concert day at an abbey outside the city.. car problems had us stranded in the cold on a scarily fast road till police help arrived, and now I'm too tired for much other than sleep.
GK, if you're making sandwiches man I am freaking starving :P
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My guess is that SK and mafia must've shot each other last night probably, or we have a bulletproof person being shot. I think there a few options:
(1) e was shot by both mafia and SK N2, mafia and SK both shot each other last night
(2) e was shot by both mafia and SK N2, mafia or SK shot the other last night, the other shot a bp person
(3) e was shot by either mafia or SK N2 and the other shot and now knows mafia or SK, mafia or SK shot the other and the other shot a bp person.
(4) multiple bp townies
Either way at least one of the scum knows about the other. If SK knows about mafia, then they just know the member who is a commuter. Mafia would obviously know who the SK is.
wait... is this to say that in a scenario where SK and Mafia shoot either other the effects are negated? I would of assumed it was a double death no?
nvm was reading in context to N3 actions - clearly it states N2.
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So not to drift down the weary path here...
but I think it is probably likely that some of the equation of the night actions = SK shot Mafia.
Mafia was either rolestopped by their team or a hidden commuter.
I don't even know where I am going with this yet, but I think I am getting somewhere.
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Also do we even know for sure there is a named tracker? It says in the set up there may not be...
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vote: SpaceAnemone
why not EFHW? or honestly why not LL? I mean don't get me wrong I am good with Space, just I feel like there are 2/3 minimum remaining skum there, so why that pick?
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I don't even know that Sheff would be dying. SK and Scum both still alive
This is completely contingent on the information they give, if they give it.
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Space is definitely the scummiest of the three.
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vote: SpaceAnemone
why not EFHW? or honestly why not LL? I mean don't get me wrong I am good with Space, just I feel like there are 2/3 minimum remaining skum there, so why that pick?
Space kept trying to derail the lynch with horrible reasoning. Was scum reading people for dumb reasons. And still didn’t lynch Galzria even near the deadline. They are scum.
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vote: SpaceAnemone
why not EFHW? or honestly why not LL? I mean don't get me wrong I am good with Space, just I feel like there are 2/3 minimum remaining skum there, so why that pick?
Space kept trying to derail the lynch with horrible reasoning. Was scum reading people for dumb reasons. And still didn’t lynch Galzria even near the deadline. They are scum.
OK yeah -
Space: Kind of unarguable you did that. anything to say about that from you POV?
GK: what are your thoughts on EFHW and LL?
O: Who is your second skummiest?
Also - Not pushing it, but we should at least talk about the claim. it shouldn't go forgotten as a thing.
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Cuzz/O - what scenario do you find likely for there be no deaths last night?
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Cuzz/O - what scenario do you find likely for there be no deaths last night?
also GK if you would answer please. but after cuzz and o.
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Cuzz/O - what scenario do you find likely for there be no deaths last night?
also GK if you would answer please. but after cuzz and o.
nvm you pretty much already answered this duh.
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With some exceptions, each game will include Will Sheff, a named tracker.
Are these exceptions in the setup? Like if we roll a "not named" tracker does that gtd there will NOT also be a named tracker? Or is just put in the setup for balancing purposes?
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my vla starts right about now but I will be here at some points, and will be following. Not sure how I feel about Cuzz who's always in shadow and EFHW who also didn't want to vote for Galz. ANd Space is so hard to read... I may be inclined to vote for them if given enough evidence. Now i really want to vote: gkrieg. He looks like he came into the day with some kind of plan, and for some reason i see it as scummy.
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My reads have been so bad this game, I don't know where to start. I'll try rereading the game with known flips in mind.
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As you're standing on some curb waiting to cross,
would you say you feel like some weak leaf, wind-turned and tossed?
All the time, every day. Every day, all the time. (https://youtu.be/lT5x-U4GtA4?t=20)
Vote count 4.1
SpaceAnemone (1): gkrieg13
gkrieg13 (1): Lalight
not voting (5): DatSwan, SpaceAnemone, Cuzz, EFHW, O
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends Saturday, May 5 at 8:10am forum time.
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my vla starts right about now but I will be here at some points, and will be following. Not sure how I feel about Cuzz who's always in shadow and EFHW who also didn't want to vote for Galz. ANd Space is so hard to read... I may be inclined to vote for them if given enough evidence. Now i really want to vote: gkrieg. He looks like he came into the day with some kind of plan, and for some reason i see it as scummy.
This is almost laughable at this point. I’m scum because I saw Hydrads flip and thought “well there are the scums”. Space is way too smart to not see my reasoning that Hydrad had to be scum yesterday and instead decided to argue with me about very little details, like whether or not it was a 100% scum win to hammer town!Hydrad or not. Him flipping scum is basically all the evidence you need.
Also why on earth would you vote for someone who was on the scum wagon and actively pushing his lynch instead of even glancing at the people who were off-wagon and refusing to vote for galz with pretty weak reasoning? Galz was the ROLEBLOCKER. Scum couldn’t afford to lose him and still be able to block the SK. Almost any town lynch would have given them the win but lynching the roleblocker was obviously the worst outcome for them.
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With some exceptions, each game will include Will Sheff, a named tracker.
Are these exceptions in the setup? Like if we roll a "not named" tracker does that gtd there will NOT also be a named tracker? Or is just put in the setup for balancing purposes?
The exception is that he could be a JK but that is impossible in this game.
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@Datswan
Scum either hit 1) A bulletproofed person or 2) the SK, with SK being more likely. SK either hit 1) A rolestopped scum, 2) A bulletproofed person, 3) A commuter scum, with Rolestopped > Commuter > Bulletproofed being the most likely.
After Space there is a big dropoff. Gkrieg is out of my lynch pool (maybe permanently? definitely for today). Then there's EFHW, Then you/LaLight (maybe you over LaLight), than Cuzz who is liable to change positions because of his lurking.
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Vote: Space
Don't think we can consider this a LYLO or MYLO situation and am very confident that Space is scum given their utter derailment of GalzaDrad's lynch yesterday.
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Vote: Space
Don't think we can consider this a LYLO or MYLO situation and am very confident that Space is scum given their utter derailment of GalzaDrad's lynch yesterday.
I guess that is true. Technically we can lynch correctly and still lose
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@Datswan
Scum either hit 1) A bulletproofed person or 2) the SK, with SK being more likely. SK either hit 1) A rolestopped scum, 2) A bulletproofed person, 3) A commuter scum, with Rolestopped > Commuter > Bulletproofed being the most likely.
After Space there is a big dropoff. Gkrieg is out of my lynch pool (maybe permanently? definitely for today). Then there's EFHW, Then you/LaLight (maybe you over LaLight), than Cuzz who is liable to change positions because of his lurking.
I think the other scum member is EFHW with LaLight as SK. I’m unsure why LaLight is going after me right now though. It doesn’t make much sense as an SK but makes more sense as scum.
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My reads have been so bad this game, I don't know where to start. I'll try rereading the game with known flips in mind.
Why do you think you didn’t follow my advice yesterday. How many people do you think are scum on the wagon?
You have to either believe that Space is scum or that scum double bussed (which I would want you to justify why scum double bussed their roleblocker when it was pretty obvious that neither you or Space were going to vote for Hydrad).
@Space same question but switch Space for EFHW.
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my vla starts right about now but I will be here at some points, and will be following. Not sure how I feel about Cuzz who's always in shadow and EFHW who also didn't want to vote for Galz. ANd Space is so hard to read... I may be inclined to vote for them if given enough evidence. Now i really want to vote: gkrieg. He looks like he came into the day with some kind of plan, and for some reason i see it as scummy.
Just reread this again and I actually started laughing.
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How does Hidden Commuter work? It's not really clear at all
1) Is the commuting mandatory
2) Can scum take actions while commuting
3) Is commuting "hidden" in that scum does not know they're a commuter, or only in that it does not show up on flips.
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How does Hidden Commuter work? It's not really clear at all
1) Is the commuting mandatory
2) Can scum take actions while commuting
3) Is commuting "hidden" in that scum does not know they're a commuter, or only in that it does not show up on flips.
As I understand it, the commuting is mandatory but mafia can still take actions. They also don’t know which one has it.
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How does Hidden Commuter work? It's not really clear at all
1) Is the commuting mandatory
2) Can scum take actions while commuting
3) Is commuting "hidden" in that scum does not know they're a commuter, or only in that it does not show up on flips.
As I understand it, the commuting is mandatory but mafia can still take actions. They also don’t know which one has it.
So... one of the scum is potentially entirely immune to any actions by any other role except the Dayvig? I don't think that's a balanced scenario at all.
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How does Hidden Commuter work? It's not really clear at all
1) Is the commuting mandatory
2) Can scum take actions while commuting
3) Is commuting "hidden" in that scum does not know they're a commuter, or only in that it does not show up on flips.
As I understand it, the commuting is mandatory but mafia can still take actions. They also don’t know which one has it.
So... one of the scum is potentially entirely immune to any actions by any other role except the Dayvig? I don't think that's a balanced scenario at all.
I think that is true. I agree it probably isn’t too balanced.
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Reread thru day 2. Going to drop focus on Lalight as scum, and DatSwan as well. Happy to vote Space. Townread on gkrieg strengthened. Guess that leaves O and Cuzz.
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My reads have been so bad this game, I don't know where to start. I'll try rereading the game with known flips in mind.
Why do you think you didn’t follow my advice yesterday. How many people do you think are scum on the wagon?
You have to either believe that Space is scum or that scum double bussed (which I would want you to justify why scum double bussed their roleblocker when it was pretty obvious that neither you or Space were going to vote for Hydrad).
@Space same question but switch Space for EFHW.
Which advice did I not follow?
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As the streets sail by the seats inside your car,
does each face outside collide against your heart?
As you watch them blaze or fade into the dark,
do you want to scream that you're so pleased with who they are? (https://youtu.be/lT5x-U4GtA4?t=50)
Vote count 4.2
SpaceAnemone (2): gkrieg13, O
gkrieg13 (1): Lalight
not voting (4): DatSwan, SpaceAnemone, Cuzz, EFHW
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends Saturday, May 5 at 8:10am forum time.
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My reads have been so bad this game, I don't know where to start. I'll try rereading the game with known flips in mind.
Why do you think you didn’t follow my advice yesterday. How many people do you think are scum on the wagon?
You have to either believe that Space is scum or that scum double bussed (which I would want you to justify why scum double bussed their roleblocker when it was pretty obvious that neither you or Space were going to vote for Hydrad).
@Space same question but switch Space for EFHW.
Which advice did I not follow?
The advice to lynch Hydrad. You claimed that mafia wouldn’t win from a non-mafia lynch and so you wouldn’t vote for Hydrad
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My reads have been so bad this game, I don't know where to start. I'll try rereading the game with known flips in mind.
Why do you think you didn’t follow my advice yesterday. How many people do you think are scum on the wagon?
You have to either believe that Space is scum or that scum double bussed (which I would want you to justify why scum double bussed their roleblocker when it was pretty obvious that neither you or Space were going to vote for Hydrad).
@Space same question but switch Space for EFHW.
Which advice did I not follow?
The advice to lynch Hydrad. You claimed that mafia wouldn’t win from a non-mafia lynch and so you wouldn’t vote for Hydrad
I didn't think he was scum. It was a bad read.
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It wasn't just a read at that point. There were numerous direct implications that GalzHydrad being town would imply. You ignored people when they asked you to state which of the few scenarios in which GalzHydrad!Town was possible was even remotely likely (the reality: none of them were remotely likely).
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My reads have been so bad this game, I don't know where to start. I'll try rereading the game with known flips in mind.
Why do you think you didn’t follow my advice yesterday. How many people do you think are scum on the wagon?
You have to either believe that Space is scum or that scum double bussed (which I would want you to justify why scum double bussed their roleblocker when it was pretty obvious that neither you or Space were going to vote for Hydrad).
@Space same question but switch Space for EFHW.
Which advice did I not follow?
The advice to lynch Hydrad. You claimed that mafia wouldn’t win from a non-mafia lynch and so you wouldn’t vote for Hydrad
I didn't think he was scum. It was a bad read.
What about the rest of my post that you are ignoring?
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hmm maybe efhw, space, and LL are all scum...
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hmm maybe efhw, space, and LL are all scum...
I have a hard time believing LaLight is town with his actions.
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@gkriek, you are totally mischaracterizing my objection to the Galz lynch: I was definitely not arguing he was town, but that I preferred not to push someone who I thought had a strong chance of flipping SK, and wanted to push a wagon that had a higher chance of not losing the game.
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It wasn't just a read at that point. There were numerous direct implications that GalzHydrad being town would imply. You ignored people when they asked you to state which of the few scenarios in which GalzHydrad!Town was possible was even remotely likely (the reality: none of them were remotely likely).
I didn't agree with a lot of gkrieg's reasoning. The game would not end if we mislynched. I didn't want to mislynch, but he kept asserting things that weren't strictly true. Like he is doing now, that scum would never double buss their roleblocker. Who knows what they would do. I'm not going to make that assumption. They may have given him up as a lost cause and been trying for towncred. It was not certain that scum know who the SK is, either. Possible, sure, and more likely now that we had no deaths last night, but not something I was going to assume Day 3.
You are saying I ignored questions. That is not my recollection. Can you point to those posts?
What were the implications of town!Galz/Hydrad that were so unlikely?
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hmm maybe efhw, space, and LL are all scum...
I have a hard time believing LaLight is town with his actions.
Since when? Where have you voiced any suspicion so far? What actions are you referring to?
I don't find him towny, but this seems out of the blue from you.
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vote: SpaceAnemone
why not EFHW? or honestly why not LL? I mean don't get me wrong I am good with Space, just I feel like there are 2/3 minimum remaining skum there, so why that pick?
Space kept trying to derail the lynch with horrible reasoning. Was scum reading people for dumb reasons. And still didn’t lynch Galzria even near the deadline. They are scum.
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Space: Kind of unarguable you did that. anything to say about that from you POV?
See #927 and #929 for me pointing out my POV *before* the lynch. Then see #980 where gkrieg is trying to frame me as having been talking about "town!Hydrad". Then wonder why I'm frustrated. Then check for any place that gkrieg either acknowledged the risk of Hydrad being the SK or sensibly reasoned about the chances of ending the game with that lynch.
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hmm maybe efhw, space, and LL are all scum...
I have a hard time believing LaLight is town with his actions.
Since when? Where have you voiced any suspicion so far? What actions are you referring to?
I don't find him towny, but this seems out of the blue from you.
It’s for his vote on me. I just don’t understand how you can vote for someone on the wagon after how yesterday went.
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I feel like it is impossible that I’m on a town wagon with 3 scum, which means I’m 100% sure galz is scum.
The fact that people are going to let this go to a no lynch is ridiculous. I mean galzria posted himself that we are most likely at real MYLO. I guess the only other option is that SK knows who mafia is from shooting them last night and hitting the hidden commuter or something?
Ugh this is immensely frustrating.
Here is an example of why I didn't follow gkrieg. Why is he assuming that Town!Hydrad=being on wagon with 3 scum? And if he thinks Galz/Hydrad is scum, why is he invoking Galz's opinions on MYLO to support his argument? How is the only other option that SK knows who mafia are? Option for what? It's like he's posting 1/3 of his actual thoughts.
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@gkriek, you are totally mischaracterizing my objection to the Galz lynch: I was definitely not arguing he was town, but that I preferred not to push someone who I thought had a strong chance of flipping SK, and wanted to push a wagon that had a higher chance of not losing the game.
But my logic held even better for galz not being the SK than not being town. It was obvious when he sat at L-1 for so long that he really couldn’t be the SK.
So right now do you believe EFHW is scum or do you believe it was a double bus?
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hmm maybe efhw, space, and LL are all scum...
I have a hard time believing LaLight is town with his actions.
Since when? Where have you voiced any suspicion so far? What actions are you referring to?
I don't find him towny, but this seems out of the blue from you.
It’s for his vote on me. I just don’t understand how you can vote for someone on the wagon after how yesterday went.
Sorry, but that looks like OMGUS. And it's only one action. You said actions. I'm not voting for someone on wagon. I'm not voting at all. I stated intention to vote Space.
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hmm maybe efhw, space, and LL are all scum...
I have a hard time believing LaLight is town with his actions.
Since when? Where have you voiced any suspicion so far? What actions are you referring to?
I don't find him towny, but this seems out of the blue from you.
It’s for his vote on me. I just don’t understand how you can vote for someone on the wagon after how yesterday went.
Sorry, but that looks like OMGUS. And it's only one action. You said actions. I'm not voting for someone on wagon. I'm not voting at all. I stated intention to vote Space.
that does not look like OMGUS. if LL had voted for me or O instead and gkrieg responded by voting for LL, would that be OMGUS?
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I feel like it is impossible that I’m on a town wagon with 3 scum, which means I’m 100% sure galz is scum.
The fact that people are going to let this go to a no lynch is ridiculous. I mean galzria posted himself that we are most likely at real MYLO. I guess the only other option is that SK knows who mafia is from shooting them last night and hitting the hidden commuter or something?
Ugh this is immensely frustrating.
Here is an example of why I didn't follow gkrieg. Why is he assuming that Town!Hydrad=being on wagon with 3 scum? And if he thinks Galz/Hydrad is scum, why is he invoking Galz's opinions on MYLO to support his argument? How is the only other option that SK knows who mafia are? Option for what? It's like he's posting 1/3 of his actual thoughts.
This is so painful...
Scum would have hammered town or SK instead of trying to get a different lynch. Even if it doesn’t win them the game they would have done it. When you are this far in the game, you don’t let the clock get that close to ending the day.
If you agree with that reasoning, then me knowing I’m town means that if Hydrad were town, scum must all be on the wagon or else they would’ve hammered. So I must be on the wagon with three scum or Hydrad was scum.
The first paragraph had already been well established, and nearly everyone was in agreement. The second paragraph follows from the first and is just logical.
Following galz MYLO advice even though he was scum is obvious. Galz doesn’t lie about stuff like that.
Then we were talking about the night kills so far, because it is important to why mafia would have hammered galz even more so if they knew who SK was from shooting them when they were bulletproof. Which we had already talked about throughout the entire day and had also reached sort of a consensus on that being the most likely option (except the people off-wagon were saying that this wasn’t true).
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hmm maybe efhw, space, and LL are all scum...
I have a hard time believing LaLight is town with his actions.
Since when? Where have you voiced any suspicion so far? What actions are you referring to?
I don't find him towny, but this seems out of the blue from you.
It’s for his vote on me. I just don’t understand how you can vote for someone on the wagon after how yesterday went.
Sorry, but that looks like OMGUS. And it's only one action. You said actions. I'm not voting for someone on wagon. I'm not voting at all. I stated intention to vote Space.
It’s not OMGUS. I wasn’t saying that you were voting for someone on wagon! His vote yesterday on me was similarly scummy, because the reasoning was bad and he never came back to dedfend it.
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hmm maybe efhw, space, and LL are all scum...
I have a hard time believing LaLight is town with his actions.
Since when? Where have you voiced any suspicion so far? What actions are you referring to?
I don't find him towny, but this seems out of the blue from you.
It’s for his vote on me. I just don’t understand how you can vote for someone on the wagon after how yesterday went.
Sorry, but that looks like OMGUS. And it's only one action. You said actions. I'm not voting for someone on wagon. I'm not voting at all. I stated intention to vote Space.
that does not look like OMGUS. if LL had voted for me or O instead and gkrieg responded by voting for LL, would that be OMGUS?
No. But he as much as said that his reason for suspecting LL is that LL voted him. What are the other actions he was referring to? LL had a legitimate point. He might be wrong, but it's not a scummy vote. gkrieg has been working very hard to lead town with a specific agenda, treating things as obvious that are not.
ppe: gkrieg
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@gkriek, you are totally mischaracterizing my objection to the Galz lynch: I was definitely not arguing he was town, but that I preferred not to push someone who I thought had a strong chance of flipping SK, and wanted to push a wagon that had a higher chance of not losing the game.
How would you know he had any chance of being the SK?? How can anyone ever know that? Either way, that would still mean that all three people on the wagon already were scum (because as you say above lynching the SK is even better than lynching town for the SK), which means that my logic held even better that galz was very likely not the SK or town.
Either way, any argument that he wasn't scum at that point was terrible reasoning. For him not to be scum, all of scum had to be on his wagon at that point, and galz was very scummy.
You still haven't answered my question of whether there was a double bus or if you are 100% sure that EFHW is scum.
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It’s for his vote on me. I just don’t understand how you can vote for someone on the wagon after how yesterday went.
This isn't you saying I am voting for someone on wagon?
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My reads have been so bad this game, I don't know where to start. I'll try rereading the game with known flips in mind.
Why do you think you didn’t follow my advice yesterday. How many people do you think are scum on the wagon?
You have to either believe that Space is scum or that scum double bussed (which I would want you to justify why scum double bussed their roleblocker when it was pretty obvious that neither you or Space were going to vote for Hydrad).
@Space same question but switch Space for EFHW.
Which advice did I not follow?
Here you respond to the top paragraph, but skip the part of if Space is scum or scum double bussed. It is not technically a question, so I guess you could argue that you didn't skip any questions, but it was obviously something I wanted you to comment on.
It wasn't just a read at that point. There were numerous direct implications that GalzHydrad being town would imply. You ignored people when they asked you to state which of the few scenarios in which GalzHydrad!Town was possible was even remotely likely (the reality: none of them were remotely likely).
I didn't agree with a lot of gkrieg's reasoning. The game would not end if we mislynched. I didn't want to mislynch, but he kept asserting things that weren't strictly true. Like he is doing now, that scum would never double buss their roleblocker. Who knows what they would do. I'm not going to make that assumption. They may have given him up as a lost cause and been trying for towncred. It was not certain that scum know who the SK is, either. Possible, sure, and more likely now that we had no deaths last night, but not something I was going to assume Day 3.
You are saying I ignored questions. That is not my recollection. Can you point to those posts?
What were the implications of town!Galz/Hydrad that were so unlikely?
The game would've been wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy x 1000 times closer to ending had we mislynched. Scum clearly would've hammered town/SK there!!! Yes I said some things that weren't strictly true, but there would've been like 0 repercussions for scum to hammer there if galz were town because no one would've faulted them with all the arguments that he was scum. You guys were trying to argue that scum wouldn't outright win the game with a non-mafia hammer, which is true, but completely not the point you should have been arguing.
Also did you see how yesterday went? The lynch stalled super hard at L-1. That is generally not how heavy busses go. You are correct that it isn't 100% true that scum wouldn't double bus their roleblocker, but the roleblocker is the most important role for them right now, and gives them wayyyy more freedom once they know the SK to have the SK act like town.
The crazy thing is that everyone else seemed to be following my logic. It's weird to me that the people off-wagon had such a difficult time following it...
What were the implications of town!Galz/Hydrad that were so unlikely?
town!Galz/Hydrad not getting hammered is super unlikely. Scum would much rather mislynch than no lynch in pseudo MYLO instances at least 80% of the time. The fact that he wasn't hammered means that (assuming he was town) all scum were on his wagon with me. I know I'm town, so that means that the wagon was me and 3 scum, which I found highly unlikely from my reads.
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It’s for his vote on me. I just don’t understand how you can vote for someone on the wagon after how yesterday went.
This isn't you saying I am voting for someone on wagon?
I feel like you are trying to misunderstand everything I say. It applies directly to LaLight (because he is voting for someone who was on wagon yesterday, which is obvious if you have been keeping up with this day). He also voted there with very little discussion of anything that happened yesterday. It is fairly clear that that entire post is talking about LaLight. You said that it felt like I came out of the blue with the LaLight suspicions, but you don't think it is out of the blue to be explaining my reasoning for scum reading LaLight, then in the middle of my post talk about you doing something you aren't doing?
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It’s for his vote on me. I just don’t understand how you can vote for someone on the wagon after how yesterday went.
This isn't you saying I am voting for someone on wagon?
I feel like you are trying to misunderstand everything I say. It applies directly to LaLight (because he is voting for someone who was on wagon yesterday, which is obvious if you have been keeping up with this day). He also voted there with very little discussion of anything that happened yesterday. It is fairly clear that that entire post is talking about LaLight. You said that it felt like I came out of the blue with the LaLight suspicions, but you don't think it is out of the blue to be explaining my reasoning for scum reading LaLight, then in the middle of my post talk about you doing something you aren't doing?
We've been through this before. I routinely misread what you post. You said "his vote on me" and "how you can vote on wagon". How would I know that "he" had switched to "you"? I assumed "you" meant me, since you had said "he" in the previous sentence.
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Yes I said some things that weren't strictly true
This really affects my interest in doing what you say or trying to parse out your logic. I do try, but you make assumptions that I don't and you don't say them, so I can't agree with your arguments because they seem arbitrary to me.
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The crazy thing is that everyone else seemed to be following my logic. It's weird to me that the people off-wagon had such a difficult time following it...
You did not spell it out, you just said you couldn't be on a wagon with 3 scum.
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@gkriek, you are totally mischaracterizing my objection to the Galz lynch: I was definitely not arguing he was town, but that I preferred not to push someone who I thought had a strong chance of flipping SK, and wanted to push a wagon that had a higher chance of not losing the game.
sK was even more likely than town to be quick hammered by scum. If scum knew a hypothetical galz was SK they would win on the spot by hammering. So you refused to vote for galz because for some reason you thought scum had less knowledge and intuition than you, or because scum was all three of the wagon.
Either way I don’t buy it for a second
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Yes I said some things that weren't strictly true
This really affects my interest in doing what you say or trying to parse out your logic. I do try, but you make assumptions that I don't and you don't say them, so I can't agree with your arguments because they seem arbitrary to me.
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The crazy thing is that everyone else seemed to be following my logic. It's weird to me that the people off-wagon had such a difficult time following it...
You did not spell it out, you just said you couldn't be on a wagon with 3 scum.
I understand that I make assumptions that aren't true, but yesterday most of the assumptions I made were the most likely situation. Either way you should know that if someone sits at L-1 for that long and no one is hammering, there are strong implications when we are at possible MYLO.
I did not spell my logic out because many others were already on the same page as me. Other people understood what I was saying. We are currently having the wrong arguments though. You and Space didn't vote for galzria. Galzria had the most important role to scum.
Also, weird again that you haven't answered my question, the one that you have asked me to dig up, and the one that I have restated again.
Do you think Space is scum? Or do you think yesterday was a double scum bus? From your point of view, you are town, which means that scum at least single bussed from your perspective. Did they double bus? Otherwise Space is scum.
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weekends suck-all for me sorry all. I will catch up now.
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I really don't know if they double bussed. I haven't been avoiding the question. I said Space is scummy, and that's currently where I am planning to vote.
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OK posts coming in sections:
Section 1) Sheff Claim
This should happen. I mean I guess the only reason it should not is that they do not have a incriminating result? maybe? but even then those results could be useful. This was brought up and then dismissed. We need to consider this more.
For us to lose from a Sheff claim with the current set up we would have to have Sheff accidentally mislead us into a mislynch, then have both Mafia and SK shoot town at night. That would leave us with 2 mafia -1 sk - 1 town. everything short of that, we at least continue.
The value of Sheff getting a result off tonight vs the 3 nights of results they have is not even close to consider.
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Section 2: Skum Power Roles
My idea here was to try to "solve" the remaining game state, but honestly, it is not a thing worth it at this point. It would leave to much to be meddled with. Combine BP SK, Mafia commuter, the Town Drunk, the Mafia Rolestopper and the Mafia Roleblocker... there is just too much.
It leads me to further believe that a sheff claim would help.
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I really don't know if they double bussed. I haven't been avoiding the question. I said Space is scummy, and that's currently where I am planning to vote.
This is a nonsense post.
Space cant be SK from your perspective bc GalzHydrad was clearly Skum. it would of been in their SK!Wincon to finish the job.
So either;
Space is Town and you are Mafia and SK + Mafia was on wagon
Space is Mafia and you are Mafia and SK was on wagon
Vote: EFHW
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At this point I go by the way that people are speaking about the game. O, gkrieg, and Datswan are saying things that make sense and trying to probe the logic of the game and figure stuff out, and others are...doing less of that.
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Also, I honestly wasn't gonna do this because the results are trash, but everyone towny seems so sure that it's a good idea, and there might be some important implications that I missed:
N1: Track Robz who targeted no one; e targeted Robz (hey, e is conftown, that's useful)
N2: Track Datswan who targeted no one.
N3: Track Space with no result.
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I mean they're not total trash. Datswan looks townie, but no one was gunning to lynch him anyway, and Space looks scummy but everyone kind of agrees on that anyway.
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I really don't know if they double bussed. I haven't been avoiding the question. I said Space is scummy, and that's currently where I am planning to vote.
This is a nonsense post.
Space cant be SK from your perspective bc GalzHydrad was clearly Skum. it would of been in their SK!Wincon to finish the job.
So either;
Space is Town and you are Mafia and SK + Mafia was on wagon
Space is Mafia and you are Mafia and SK was on wagon
Vote: EFHW
I'm not interested in the question of the double bussing. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. The two seem equally likely to me.
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I'm ready to vote Space now. With roleblocker dead, no result means they were rolestopped or commuter. There's a small chance scum rolestopped town as a diversion, but I don't think so. Any reason to wait?
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I'll wait for possible counterclaim.
Cuzz, don't you think your results are incriminating of Space?
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Do you fall so short of all that's in your heart?
When your friends, that you should pull up, you instead pick apart?
Do you watch the world get cold, and crushed, and small?
And when you could do so much, you do [----] all?
Do you? (https://youtu.be/lT5x-U4GtA4?t=140)
Vote count 4.3
SpaceAnemone (2): gkrieg13, O
gkrieg13 (1): Lalight
EFHW (1): DatSwan
not voting (3): SpaceAnemone, Cuzz, EFHW
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends Saturday, May 5 at 8:10am forum time.
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I'll wait for possible counterclaim.
Cuzz, don't you think your results are incriminating of Space?
yeah probably
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Vote: Space
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I'll wait for possible counterclaim.
Cuzz, don't you think your results are incriminating of Space?
How are they incriminating of Space?
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Because no result is different than “targeted no one” so space either was rolestopped or commuter, both of which imply scum
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Honestly I’ve never liked that. I usually think no result should be used for both targeted no one AND your action failed. But in this case it’s probably more balanced
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I'll wait for possible counterclaim.
Cuzz, don't you think your results are incriminating of Space?
How are they incriminating of Space?
With roleblocker dead, no result means they were rolestopped or commuter. There's a small chance scum rolestopped town as a diversion, but I don't think so.
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I'll wait for possible counterclaim.
Cuzz, don't you think your results are incriminating of Space?
How are they incriminating of Space?
With roleblocker dead, no result means they were rolestopped or commuter. There's a small chance scum rolestopped town as a diversion, but I don't think so.
I figured no result would mean both roleblocked and no tracking.
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I'm a 1-shot bulletproofer. I'm bulletproofing Cuzz tonight. I haven't used my shot yet because I haven't had a strong enough town read on anyone yet.
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Oh just realized that doesn't work with the rolestopper if they still have a shot. Rethinking this now.
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I simultaneously believe you and can't imagine a single reason why both claiming that AND claiming who you will bulletproof is beneficial in any way.
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Like this is a potentially throwing away a near free win level of mistake..
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Like this is a potentially throwing away a near free win level of mistake..
this is why you should never say anything in this game
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Sorry, very busy today and not thinking about the game when I said that.
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Sorry, very busy today and not thinking about the game when I said that.
it's fine, just roll a d12 to decide whether to do the thing you said you'd do or not
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Space - Want to say anything before the hammer?
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Sorry.. been away from the forum all day and only just catching up.
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@gkriek, you are totally mischaracterizing my objection to the Galz lynch: I was definitely not arguing he was town, but that I preferred not to push someone who I thought had a strong chance of flipping SK, and wanted to push a wagon that had a higher chance of not losing the game.
But my logic held even better for galz not being the SK than not being town. It was obvious when he sat at L-1 for so long that he really couldn’t be the SK.
So right now do you believe EFHW is scum or do you believe it was a double bus?
What I thought at the time was that Hydrad was the SK who the mafia knew about. It felt like it made sense for Galz, because his play didn't seem particularly team-like, whereas if mafia knew who the SK was, then piling onto him like people piled onto Galz at the start of last day phase made a lot of sense, especially when they could use his scummy-looking hammer and subsequent absence as cover.
I'd would be surprised if scums double-bussed on their RB, and EFHW is not looking like the towniest one here. Your argument doesn't hold, though, because while an SK wants to lynch town, yesterday we particularly didn't want to lynch the SK because it would probably have been handing the game to mafia. So an SK could sit there on L-1 due to mafia and not be hammered by cautious town -- I don't see any problem with that.
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I still absolutely think gkrieg is scum. Note that 1-shot BP-er is the most likely other role in the game, and gkrieg is the one person other than me here who's most likely to have been able to run the numbers. Also the carelessness with which he simultaneously announces that he's a PR and then makes it impossible for him to use his claimed PR in a provable way is just too convenient.
Vote: gkrieg
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I still absolutely think gkrieg is scum. Note that 1-shot BP-er is the most likely other role in the game, and gkrieg is the one person other than me here who's most likely to have been able to run the numbers. Also the carelessness with which he simultaneously announces that he's a PR and then makes it impossible for him to use his claimed PR in a provable way is just too convenient.
Vote: gkrieg
It is very possible that we lynch the rolestopper today or that mafia have run out their rolestopper/roleblocker pool.
Also you think that I bussed yesterday? Why would I bus my roleblocker partner like that? Especially when there is still an SK around that could be the difference between winning and losing? And why would I have been around close to the deadline to ensure that Hydrad's lynch went through instead of just lurking and saying that I didn't get around to it?
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SK = S
Tracker, UB, Drunk, (claimed) 1-shot BP = OOPL, OPPL, LLPP.
So yes Gkrieg did claim the most likely other role. Of course the claim being the most likely role is expected regardless of alignment, so Space's argument is a pretty big stretch.
Nice to know that either Gkrieg is a liar or we have 1T or 0T to deal with, so highly likely there's more Rolestopper shots. Which makes Gkrieg's volunteering the information even crazier.
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vote: Space
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Gkrieg is a liar
Yep, I agree.
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But you didn't say that Cuzz was, and it's Cuzz who basically confirms you as scum.
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Gkrieg is a liar
Yep, I agree.
Lol
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Taking bets on Rolestopper or Commuter
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Taking bets on Rolestopper or Commuter
Well rolestopper shouldn't be able to self-target right? So less likely to flip rolestopper, and if they do, it means that they were also the commuter right?
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So my bet is the Townrole Cop.
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It's twilight until I can get to a computer.
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#Twilight
If mafia and SK could just shoot each other tonight that would be really nice of them.
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When you pray for grace to come,
were you born yesterday? Are you dumb? Are you insane?
Don't be ashamed, I'm the same.
Yeah, I'm that way.
But I try, every day and all the time. (https://youtu.be/lT5x-U4GtA4?t=235)
Day 4 Final Vote Count
SpaceAnemone (4): gkrieg13, O, Cuzz, EFHW
gkrieg13 (2): Lalight, SpaceAnemone
EFHW (1): DatSwan
With 7 alive, it took 4 to lynch.
Thread Locked.
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I don't think that you would sink that ship that's only passing through
'cause I don't believe that you might be a piratess.
Did you hide inside each small white lie, before you turned it true
with the ability to do all things the captain says? (https://youtu.be/Y85DYcVJF70?t=168)
SpaceAnemone was Piratess, a mafia rolestopper.
Night four begins now and last until May 3 at ~7:50PM forum time. Night actions are due by May 3 at 12:50PM.
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Now with all these cameras focused on my face,
you would think that they could see it through my skin.
They're looking for evil, thinking they can trace it, but
evil don't look like anything. (https://youtu.be/TAn2PKDXvdw?t=244)
O has died in the night. He was the Westfall killer, a 1-shot bulletproof, 1-shot ninja serial killer.
He was rushed, then he was rattled, now he's finally in the clear
to be a refugee from the rat race
in his white tuxedo and his sad face:
a music group that your dad plays, singing songs about autumn days.
He's the laureate of the Granite State
but he doesn't even write, he just riffs
and they'll cover up his coffin with pink slips. (https://youtu.be/56T0DeDL0rw?t=190)
Cuzz has died in the night. He was Will Sheff, the town's named tracker.
It's hard to be a human being,
just seeking, needing, feeling pain
from things you can't articulate
and dodging blame
and measuring
and hiding shame.
It's hard. (https://youtu.be/AZK1eR159OI?t=30)
Vote Count 5.0
Not Voting (4): gkrieg13, EFHW, Lalight, DatSwan
Day 5 starts now and ends on May 10 at 7:50PM forum time.
Thread unlocked!
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So I was right about O all along!
I am a 1-shot bulletproofer, but I had already spent my shot N3. I was hoping I could bluff to get our tracker to stay alive for another day, but that didn't work out.
With 4 alive and 3 town and 1 mafia, we should no-lynch.
vote: no lynch
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So I was right about O all along!
I am a 1-shot bulletproofer, but I had already spent my shot N3. I was hoping I could bluff to get our tracker to stay alive for another day, but that didn't work out.
With 4 alive and 3 town and 1 mafia, we should no-lynch.
vote: no lynch
I can imagine a couple reasons, but what is your reason for wanting no lynch?
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So I was right about O all along!
I am a 1-shot bulletproofer, but I had already spent my shot N3. I was hoping I could bluff to get our tracker to stay alive for another day, but that didn't work out.
With 4 alive and 3 town and 1 mafia, we should no-lynch.
vote: no lynch
who did you proc N3?
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So I was right about O all along!
I am a 1-shot bulletproofer, but I had already spent my shot N3. I was hoping I could bluff to get our tracker to stay alive for another day, but that didn't work out.
With 4 alive and 3 town and 1 mafia, we should no-lynch.
vote: no lynch
yeah there is a flaw in the real life-ness of this plan.
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So I was right about O all along!
I am a 1-shot bulletproofer, but I had already spent my shot N3. I was hoping I could bluff to get our tracker to stay alive for another day, but that didn't work out.
With 4 alive and 3 town and 1 mafia, we should no-lynch.
vote: no lynch
who did you proc N3?
Even though there is a very small chance they are still bulletproofed, I would rather not say in case they are still bulletproofed.
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So I was right about O all along!
I am a 1-shot bulletproofer, but I had already spent my shot N3. I was hoping I could bluff to get our tracker to stay alive for another day, but that didn't work out.
With 4 alive and 3 town and 1 mafia, we should no-lynch.
vote: no lynch
yeah there is a flaw in the real life-ness of this plan.
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying here.
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So I was right about O all along!
I am a 1-shot bulletproofer, but I had already spent my shot N3. I was hoping I could bluff to get our tracker to stay alive for another day, but that didn't work out.
With 4 alive and 3 town and 1 mafia, we should no-lynch.
vote: no lynch
yeah there is a flaw in the real life-ness of this plan.
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying here.
I did not consider the fact that your BP target could still have a shield, the point I was going to make is essentially null.
But new question - what do you hope to gain from a no lynch? whether you are lying or not they/you will not shoot you (WIFOM), so it creates a situation where you get the info from another NK... but...not to be whatever, they will obv shoot me. So then from "let's say your Town Perspective" you are still choosing between LL and EFHW. Are you telling me that choosing between EFHW and LL today is harder then doing it tomorrow?
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Would hidden commuter have shown in the flip?
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So I was right about O all along!
I am a 1-shot bulletproofer, but I had already spent my shot N3. I was hoping I could bluff to get our tracker to stay alive for another day, but that didn't work out.
With 4 alive and 3 town and 1 mafia, we should no-lynch.
vote: no lynch
who did you proc N3?
Even though there is a very small chance they are still bulletproofed, I would rather not say in case they are still bulletproofed.
Why is it a small chance? There were two kills last night.
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Ok, reread your earlier post.
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Would hidden commuter have shown in the flip?
No
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I think Space was probably the commuter. Rolestopping would be as good as a beacon for someone being tracked. Too bad, maybe we would have been spared nk's from now on.
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So I was right about O all along!
I am a 1-shot bulletproofer, but I had already spent my shot N3. I was hoping I could bluff to get our tracker to stay alive for another day, but that didn't work out.
With 4 alive and 3 town and 1 mafia, we should no-lynch.
vote: no lynch
yeah there is a flaw in the real life-ness of this plan.
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying here.
I did not consider the fact that your BP target could still have a shield, the point I was going to make is essentially null.
But new question - what do you hope to gain from a no lynch? whether you are lying or not they/you will not shoot you (WIFOM), so it creates a situation where you get the info from another NK... but...not to be whatever, they will obv shoot me. So then from "let's say your Town Perspective" you are still choosing between LL and EFHW. Are you telling me that choosing between EFHW and LL today is harder then doing it tomorrow?
It means that I at least would be able to be 100% sure it isn’t you whereas I can only be like 99% sure right now.
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Choosing from 2 people who is scum always has better odds than choosing between 3.
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I think Space was probably the commuter. Rolestopping would be as good as a beacon for someone being tracked. Too bad, maybe we would have been spared nk's from now on.
Space must've been the commuter. Nothing else makes sense, but it also doesn't really matter anymore anyways.
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I suppose no lynch does improve our odds. Anything else we want to do with the day? We haven't heard from Lalight.
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Yeah let’s not have anyone else vote for no vote yet plz i need a moment to think it through. Not like morally against it just wan a sec plz
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Hey guys, my vla will be over in 3 days, I wasn’t present because the first town i was in didn’t have any wifi whatsoever. Good job there! I tentatively agree to no lynch, though we can also just lynch efhw and win or, like if for some reason she’s town, no-lynch tomorrow, can’t we?
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Wait, it’s only 4 of us
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Sorry, yeah, no lynch it is then
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If it's going to be between me and Lalight tomorrow, then sama.
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If it's going to be between me and Lalight tomorrow, then sama.
Sama?
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s=sober.
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If gkrieg and datswan are both deciding btwn me and lalight, then I think it could be better to have both of them here to hash it out.
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If gkrieg and datswan are both deciding btwn me and lalight, then I think it could be better to have both of them here to hash it out.
I think it is always better to force scum to eliminate one of the options.
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If gkrieg and datswan are both deciding btwn me and lalight, then I think it could be better to have both of them here to hash it out.
I think it is always better to force scum to eliminate one of the options.
But we can do both. Are you considering DatSwan?
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If gkrieg and datswan are both deciding btwn me and lalight, then I think it could be better to have both of them here to hash it out.
I think it is always better to force scum to eliminate one of the options.
But we can do both. Are you considering DatSwan?
I mean I’m considering him more than I would be if he were dead and flipped town.
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Sorry, yeah, no lynch it is then
does anyone find it weird that the same person voting GK yesterday is so easy to jump on this idea now?
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also not trying to hone in on anyone I guess just doing reads in order - but people should go and re check TWM/LL VCA from Days 1 and 2.
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Sorry, yeah, no lynch it is then
does anyone find it weird that the same person voting GK yesterday is so easy to jump on this idea now?
I mean it’s bot just an idea from gk, it’s the best possible thing to do - eliminate the variant. We lose nothing from it
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*not just
Also my scumread on him weakened due to awesome Space lynch
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@ everyone - how does going no lynch help us find the remaining skum. To be specific, I am not asking how it narrows the liklihood of finding skum, but how that action in this game state gives us reads to help.
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@ everyone - how does going no lynch help us find the remaining skum. To be specific, I am not asking how it narrows the liklihood of finding skum, but how that action in this game state gives us reads to help.
Look, the only thing no lynch does is ondeed narrowing the lynchpool. We don’t have a person who is 100% town, so i mostly suspect each one of you, more or less. If tonight one of you (or better me) dies, it will help to choose
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Lalight, if you've decided it's me, then why do you care about narrowing odds? I don't sense any town!uncertainty from you.
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also not trying to hone in on anyone I guess just doing reads in order - but people should go and re check TWM/LL VCA from Days 1 and 2.
What is VCA?
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Sorry, yeah, no lynch it is then
does anyone find it weird that the same person voting GK yesterday is so easy to jump on this idea now?
I mean it’s bot just an idea from gk, it’s the best possible thing to do - eliminate the variant. We lose nothing from it
We do lose an additional town voice in the discussion. 2 town 1 scum often turns into one person reasoning alone about who to pick.
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Sorry, yeah, no lynch it is then
does anyone find it weird that the same person voting GK yesterday is so easy to jump on this idea now?
I mean it’s bot just an idea from gk, it’s the best possible thing to do - eliminate the variant. We lose nothing from it
We do lose an additional town voice in the discussion. 2 town 1 scum often turns into one person reasoning alone about who to pick.
True. I fully expect that it will be me tomorrow deciding between you and LaLight. I mean we could decide today and then no lynch, but that just means scum kills the person that is least likely to give them the win.
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Sorry, yeah, no lynch it is then
does anyone find it weird that the same person voting GK yesterday is so easy to jump on this idea now?
I mean it’s bot just an idea from gk, it’s the best possible thing to do - eliminate the variant. We lose nothing from it
We do lose an additional town voice in the discussion. 2 town 1 scum often turns into one person reasoning alone about who to pick.
True. I fully expect that it will be me tomorrow deciding between you and LaLight. I mean we could decide today and then no lynch, but that just means scum kills the person that is least likely to give them the win.
I'm anticipating the 3 person scenario and thinking I'd rather have two town on my jury than just one.
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I'd need to see actual cases to vote gkrieg or DatSwan. Come to think of it, is there a case against me?
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I'd need to see actual cases to vote gkrieg or DatSwan. Come to think of it, is there a case against me?
I mean the biggest point against you and for LaLight is that he voted for Hydrad and you didn’t.
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I'd need to see actual cases to vote gkrieg or DatSwan. Come to think of it, is there a case against me?
I mean the biggest point against you and for LaLight is that he voted for Hydrad and you didn’t.
I drove the Space lynch and he didn't vote Space.
Also this. He wasn't an enthusiastic Hydrad voter.
OK, gkrieg maybe scum but he makes a lot of sense. Sorry, Hydrad, that we played so little, vote: Hydrad
What if scum are offering up their teammate Galzria for towncred? That would explain Galzria's absence and put FOS on DatSwan in particular, also gkrieg.
Again, we will know that if/when Galz would be lynched. If he's scum, it's still better to lynch him before DS and/or gkrieg
@Lalight
Why were you reluctant to hammer?
well, mostly I still thought gkrieg has more probability to be scum, other than that I am a little bit worried that I just lost us a game and I decided to wait until the end of day, also giving Hydrad a chance to say something which would be valuable if he's scum.
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I'm ready to vote Space now. With roleblocker dead, no result means they were rolestopped or commuter. There's a small chance scum rolestopped town as a diversion, but I don't think so. Any reason to wait?
I'll wait for possible counterclaim.
Cuzz, don't you think your results are incriminating of Space?
Space - Want to say anything before the hammer?
vote: Space
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I'd need to see actual cases to vote gkrieg or DatSwan. Come to think of it, is there a case against me?
I mean the biggest point against you and for LaLight is that he voted for Hydrad and you didn’t.
I drove the Space lynch and he didn't vote Space.
Also this. He wasn't an enthusiastic Hydrad voter.
OK, gkrieg maybe scum but he makes a lot of sense. Sorry, Hydrad, that we played so little, vote: Hydrad
What if scum are offering up their teammate Galzria for towncred? That would explain Galzria's absence and put FOS on DatSwan in particular, also gkrieg.
Again, we will know that if/when Galz would be lynched. If he's scum, it's still better to lynch him before DS and/or gkrieg
@Lalight
Why were you reluctant to hammer?
well, mostly I still thought gkrieg has more probability to be scum, other than that I am a little bit worried that I just lost us a game and I decided to wait until the end of day, also giving Hydrad a chance to say something which would be valuable if he's scum.
I wasn’t here for 3 straight days to vote for Space. Also I didn’t let Hydrad day slip into no lynch, that would’ve happened otherwise. Also to your previous question, I’m not 100% sure you’re scum, so i’d rather safely narrow the options, or, say, die, that would be perfect
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Hey guys, my vla will be over in 3 days, I wasn’t present because the first town i was in didn’t have any wifi whatsoever. Good job there! I tentatively agree to no lynch, though we can also just lynch efhw and win or, like if for some reason she’s town, no-lynch tomorrow, can’t we?
Ok, I didn't remember your vla. You sound pretty certain here (bolded part). Your nods to uncertainty here and later (see below) feel manufactured to me.[/quote]
@ everyone - how does going no lynch help us find the remaining skum. To be specific, I am not asking how it narrows the liklihood of finding skum, but how that action in this game state gives us reads to help.
Look, the only thing no lynch does is ondeed narrowing the lynchpool. We don’t have a person who is 100% town, so i mostly suspect each one of you, more or less. If tonight one of you (or better me) dies, it will help to choose
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Sorry, yeah, no lynch it is then
does anyone find it weird that the same person voting GK yesterday is so easy to jump on this idea now?
I mean it’s bot just an idea from gk, it’s the best possible thing to do - eliminate the variant. We lose nothing from it
We do lose an additional town voice in the discussion. 2 town 1 scum often turns into one person reasoning alone about who to pick.
True. I fully expect that it will be me tomorrow deciding between you and LaLight. I mean we could decide today and then no lynch, but that just means scum kills the person that is least likely to give them the win.
There's WIFOM about who they would choose to kill, but you and DatSwan could also keep your decisions to yourself. Mine is kind of obvious.
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YEah, there’s also non-bolded part about “if she’s town” and the fact that i thought there’s 6 of us, so even if we lynch town we don’t lose. That post was written with that in mind
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YEah, there’s also non-bolded part about “if she’s town” and the fact that i thought there’s 6 of us, so even if we lynch town we don’t lose. That post was written with that in mind
I acknowledged the "if she's town" in my reference to comments of uncertainty.
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YEah, there’s also non-bolded part about “if she’s town” and the fact that i thought there’s 6 of us, so even if we lynch town we don’t lose. That post was written with that in mind
I acknowledged the "if she's town" in my reference to comments of uncertainty.
Still I didn’t know we’re at mylo and thought we can lynch you wothout harm. In the very next post i think i changed the mind, sorry for the confusion at hand. I didn’t think of the game while i was without wifi in the mountains :)
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@ everyone - how does going no lynch help us find the remaining skum. To be specific, I am not asking how it narrows the liklihood of finding skum, but how that action in this game state gives us reads to help.
Look, the only thing no lynch does is ondeed narrowing the lynchpool. We don’t have a person who is 100% town, so i mostly suspect each one of you, more or less. If tonight one of you (or better me) dies, it will help to choose
I absolutely demand that you to make a case on me.
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If gkrieg and datswan are both deciding btwn me and lalight, then I think it could be better to have both of them here to hash it out.
I think it is always better to force scum to eliminate one of the options.
dude stop saying stuff like this. I am trying so hard to 100% you
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also not trying to hone in on anyone I guess just doing reads in order - but people should go and re check TWM/LL VCA from Days 1 and 2.
What is VCA?
Vote Count Analysis
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I want GK to claim who he BPd on N3. Obviously I am not a outstanding force, and even if every single one of us said he should do it the ultimate decision is at the feet of GK. However, I do not see the downside in gaining opinions. I think the best order to gain these opinions would be:
Swan - Obv already said yes
LL -
EFHW -
GK - Not really an opinion, but yea...
So in order:
@ LL - What are your thoughts on GK claiming his D3 target?
@EFHW - What arr your thoughts on GK claiming his D3 target?
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I want GK to claim who he BPd on N3. Obviously I am not a outstanding force, and even if every single one of us said he should do it the ultimate decision is at the feet of GK. However, I do not see the downside in gaining opinions. I think the best order to gain these opinions would be:
Swan - Obv already said yes
LL -
EFHW -
GK - Not really an opinion, but yea...
So in order:
@ LL - What are your thoughts on GK claiming his D3 target?
@EFHW - What arr your thoughts on GK claiming his D3 target?
**an outstanding force** (pet peeve)
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I want GK to claim who he BPd on N3. Obviously I am not a outstanding force, and even if every single one of us said he should do it the ultimate decision is at the feet of GK. However, I do not see the downside in gaining opinions. I think the best order to gain these opinions would be:
Swan - Obv already said yes
LL -
EFHW -
GK - Not really an opinion, but yea...
So in order:
@ LL - What are your thoughts on GK claiming his D3 target?
@EFHW - What arr your thoughts on GK claiming his D3 target?
Don’t see why this is relevant at all
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I'm against gkrieg revealing his n3 target. Why do you think it would even be helpful?
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If gkrieg and datswan are both deciding btwn me and lalight, then I think it could be better to have both of them here to hash it out.
I think it is always better to force scum to eliminate one of the options.
dude stop saying stuff like this. I am trying so hard to 100% you
Datswan, I want to hear your opinions about who is scum. I think you are most likely to be killed at night but I was trying to make it seem like I don’t think you’re town so that I could somehow make it so that it wasn’t you killed at night. The reason why it isn’t good to have reads before a no lynch is that it tells scum exactly who they should kill. The good thing about reads is it lets everyone know one more town persons reads. I was hoping to somehow keep you alive by slightly scum reading you but you won’t just let it happen.
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I want GK to claim who he BPd on N3. Obviously I am not a outstanding force, and even if every single one of us said he should do it the ultimate decision is at the feet of GK. However, I do not see the downside in gaining opinions. I think the best order to gain these opinions would be:
Swan - Obv already said yes
LL -
EFHW -
GK - Not really an opinion, but yea...
So in order:
@ LL - What are your thoughts on GK claiming his D3 target?
@EFHW - What arr your thoughts on GK claiming his D3 target?
Sorry, I still don’t see the point in this. I guess though we would just no lynch again if scum no killed or shot the bullet proof person though. I’ll think about it.
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Just reread TWM/LaLight. The big problem I have with this decision between LaLight and EFHW is that LaLight hammered Hydrad. If it had been EFHW, I totally would instavote LaLight and not even propose a no lynch.
The fact that EFHW being town means she wasn't playing well just doesn't jive with me. I think EFHW is one of the most underrated players here, and so it is hard for me to believe that she would mess up so bad on day 3.
But LaLight is also playing incredibly apathetically, voting me for no reason (ok there was a reason but it was a very early vote for very brittle reasoning) that I just can't imagine him being town either.
What do you think DatSwan?
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Thanks for the vote of confidence, gkrieg, but I was just wrong. Everyone has misreads, no matter how good they are.
So do you think I sacrificed Space for towncred?
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Thanks for the vote of confidence, gkrieg, but I was just wrong. Everyone has misreads, no matter how good they are.
So do you think I sacrificed Space for towncred?
I don't think anyone did or didn't sacrifice Space. It was pretty clear that they were scum. I don't really put any weight on who was on or off that wagon.
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And do you think that is more likely than Lalight sacrificing Galz/Hydrad for towncred?
Ppe gkrieg
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"That"=sacrificing Space.
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And do you think that is more likely than Lalight sacrificing Galz/Hydrad for towncred?
Ppe gkrieg
I'm saying that is basically what I have to decide between the two of you.
Either way I think we should get DatSwan's opinion (and I guess LaLight? ) and then end the day with no lynch
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request prods on LaLight and Datswan
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sorry weekends are horrible for me and I have been doing ISOs. I only have one left, I will post a bunch today as soon as I am through. Then we can move forward. Sorry for the wait.
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It's hard to open up your heart
and face the fact that you could fail
and show the world what you don't know
and let your long-held high ground go.
So you get cold
and act a part.
I get it, though.
It's hard. (https://youtu.be/AZK1eR159OI?t=70)
Vote Count 5.1
No Lynch (1): gkrieg13
Not Voting (3): EFHW, Lalight, DatSwan
Day 5 starts now and ends on May 10 at 7:50PM forum time.
Mod Note: Prod sent to LaLight
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Sorry, DAMA, tried to leep up the work the whole day. I really-really don’t see the point of doing anything toDay, i’d better reread toMorrow if I’m still alive. For now, I think EFHW is most likely to be scum with gkrieg being the second choice. But i’d wait till D5 with rereads, actually mostly because I don’t have enough time and i hope to be dead
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Sorry, DAMA, tried to leep up the work the whole day. I really-really don’t see the point of doing anything toDay, i’d better reread toMorrow if I’m still alive. For now, I think EFHW is most likely to be scum with gkrieg being the second choice. But i’d wait till D5 with rereads, actually mostly because I don’t have enough time and i hope to be dead
Why GK #2?
I mean I get that there are 4 of us so you are gonna rank yourself 4/4, and I also agree that I would be 3/4, but like what is it that puts GK at 2 instead of let's say me?
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All I am extremely sorry to be this douche, but I am finishing re reads now, and there are some things I want to discuss. I would appreciate it if we could not "end the day super early". If the consensus is to go no-lynch then that is fine, but I wanna use the remaining 2 days if needed.
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someone help my dumb brain - with the exception that there is a town not claiming a PR still for some reason... we must be 2 Ts right?
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Is everyone aware that a Mafia 1 shot RB/RS and a the communal 5 shot Mafia RB/RS both flip the same way?
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Is everyone aware that a Mafia 1 shot RB/RS and a the communal 5 shot Mafia RB/RS both flip the same way?
This is factual, and negates my previous post.
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After an extremely... like hideously long re - read....
It is more likely that it is LL than EFHW.
However, I want an answer to my question about the flip of RB/RS!Mafia before we do anything please. From everyone. Preferably in the order of
GK
LL
EFHW
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After an extremely... like hideously long re - read....
It is more likely that it is LL than EFHW.
However, I want an answer to my question about the flip of RB/RS!Mafia before we do anything please. From everyone. Preferably in the order of
GK
LL
EFHW
What’s the point in ranking ? Oo usually 1-shot prs flip as 1-shot prs
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After an extremely... like hideously long re - read....
It is more likely that it is LL than EFHW.
However, I want an answer to my question about the flip of RB/RS!Mafia before we do anything please. From everyone. Preferably in the order of
GK
LL
EFHW
What’s the point in ranking ? Oo usually 1-shot prs flip as 1-shot prs
I have reasons.
Feel free to check with the MOD. they flip the same in this game.
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After an extremely... like hideously long re - read....
It is more likely that it is LL than EFHW.
However, I want an answer to my question about the flip of RB/RS!Mafia before we do anything please. From everyone. Preferably in the order of
GK
LL
EFHW
What’s the point in ranking ? Oo usually 1-shot prs flip as 1-shot prs
I have reasons.
Feel free to check with the MOD. they flip the same in this game.
ii, can you plz confirm?
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After an extremely... like hideously long re - read....
It is more likely that it is LL than EFHW.
However, I want an answer to my question about the flip of RB/RS!Mafia before we do anything please. From everyone. Preferably in the order of
GK
LL
EFHW
What’s the point in ranking ? Oo usually 1-shot prs flip as 1-shot prs
I have reasons.
Feel free to check with the MOD. they flip the same in this game.
ii, can you plz confirm?
Mafia
-any form of roleblocker or rolestopper will flip as "roleblocker" or "rolestopper"; communal roleblockers/stoppers look the same as 1-shot ones
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So what are the implications you are hinting at? I had assumed they flipped the same.
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also not trying to hone in on anyone I guess just doing reads in order - but people should go and re check TWM/LL VCA from Days 1 and 2.
What is VCA?
Vote Count Analysis
Here too, it would be great if you could just say what your idea is.
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After an extremely... like hideously long re - read....
It is more likely that it is LL than EFHW.
However, I want an answer to my question about the flip of RB/RS!Mafia before we do anything please. From everyone. Preferably in the order of
GK
LL
EFHW
There is only one T if you believe me. It says in the setup that the 1-shot and regular roleblocker and stopped will flip the same.
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Do you want me to spell out what probable letters there are?
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I want GK to claim who he BPd on N3. Obviously I am not a outstanding force, and even if every single one of us said he should do it the ultimate decision is at the feet of GK. However, I do not see the downside in gaining opinions. I think the best order to gain these opinions would be:
Swan - Obv already said yes
LL -
EFHW -
GK - Not really an opinion, but yea...
So in order:
@ LL - What are your thoughts on GK claiming his D3 target?
@EFHW - What arr your thoughts on GK claiming his D3 target?
We are still in suspense about this, too. Why did you bring it up?
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Do you want me to spell out what probable letters there are?
No I have it I just wanted to make sure I wasn't making a clear mistake.
My point is that because of the the RS and RB roles flip the same the amount of letters in play is essentially hidden from Town. We can narrow it down, but it is one or the other.
If you are actually the BP then we are at 1T, if you are not, then we are at 2T.
Thing is - in the hypothetical world where you are skum - you would know all this. So if skum had communal RB/RS (1T) then at the point of your claim skum would also know that there is another role out there.
buttttttt if skum had 1 shot RB/RS (2T) then [UB,Tracker, Drunk + they know what they have so they know that SK is ninja/BP] = skum is 100% sure there is no other roles after Cuzz claimed.
So like... I am trying... so hard to believe that you are town, but to safe claim BP - fake proc the tracker - claim to have proc someone else - and then this is the part I am putting together still but... push no lynch because you want to create a final day of...anyone? I guess in a triangle you win as town all the time, so you probably kill me actually and take it to [GK,LL,EFHW].
Whatever. It was a Tinfoil Hat type of thing. but that is pretty much where I was going with it.
Seriously, I don't even know if I believe in it - just doing thorough re reads and when I go to you this is all I came up with.
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Do you want me to spell out what probable letters there are?
No I have it I just wanted to make sure I wasn't making a clear mistake.
My point is that because of the the RS and RB roles flip the same the amount of letters in play is essentially hidden from Town. We can narrow it down, but it is one or the other.
If you are actually the BP then we are at 1T, if you are not, then we are at 2T.
Thing is - in the hypothetical world where you are skum - you would know all this. So if skum had communal RB/RS (1T) then at the point of your claim skum would also know that there is another role out there.
buttttttt if skum had 1 shot RB/RS (2T) then [UB,Tracker, Drunk + they know what they have so they know that SK is ninja/BP] = skum is 100% sure there is no other roles after Cuzz claimed.
So like... I am trying... so hard to believe that you are town, but to safe claim BP - fake proc the tracker - claim to have proc someone else - and then this is the part I am putting together still but... push no lynch because you want to create a final day of...anyone? I guess in a triangle you win as town all the time, so you probably kill me actually and take it to [GK,LL,EFHW].
Whatever. It was a Tinfoil Hat type of thing. but that is pretty much where I was going with it.
Seriously, I don't even know if I believe in it - just doing thorough re reads and when I go to you this is all I came up with.
I think my bulletproofing explains what happened with the no kill N3. I think scum knew that they had already gone through my bulletproofing earlier, so they knew I was bluffing. I don't think not claiming really matters anymore, but I bulletproofed DatSwan N3 after we lynched galzria. I don't think I was roleblocked, and I don't think they rolestopped you. I think the lack of night kills is that O tried to kill Space (which failed due to commuting), and scum tried to kill you. The fact that O was killed by mafia means that his bp was already gone, so that explains one of the missing kills one of the nights, but we still have to account for 2 missing kills.
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also in regards to GK claiming his N3 result the correct answer was one of the following:
a) The result doesn't matter. Since if he is town then the second he claimed for there to potentially be a shielded target out there, he killed himself tonight.
b) *the answer is a*
To expand - let's say he is Town BP and all that. Fine. Skum!Anyone shoots him at night. End of story. Not worth finding the shielded person that may or may not exist, but you know for damn sure that he is a death. Then we wake up (let's say after a no lynch), and it is [Swan, EFHW, LL]. If skum is procd, it doesn't matter there is no SK to shoot at them anymore. If town is procd, it doesn't matter since the only way we go to night is if we mis lynch and then it just takes "an extra day phase of skum not being willing to vote for themselves" so the game still ends based on 50% mafia.
PPE the explanation but whatever this is why I was asking the question.
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However, and this is what I keep fucking coming back to.... GK was town read as shit when we started this day. So (in the world where it is Skum!GK), why in all of hell would he push for a No Lynch day? There is no Meta tomorrow if he gets a mislynch today - if he was skum he would just win.
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However, and this is what I keep fucking coming back to.... GK was town read as shit when we started this day. So (in the world where it is Skum!GK), why in all of hell would he push for a No Lynch day? There is no Meta tomorrow if he gets a mislynch today - if he was skum he would just win.
He wants a 50% chance of picking correctly vs a 33% chance.
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There would be a missing kill if Space tried to do an nk, since commuter was hidden.
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However, and this is what I keep fucking coming back to.... GK was town read as shit when we started this day. So (in the world where it is Skum!GK), why in all of hell would he push for a No Lynch day? There is no Meta tomorrow if he gets a mislynch today - if he was skum he would just win.
He wants a 50% chance of picking correctly vs a 33% chance.
I think I'm not understanding your question. Are you talking about town!gkrieg wanting no lynch or scum!gkrieg? If the latter, why are you so mystified, you said you wanted to town read him
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gkrieg having bp'd DatSwan gives DatSwan more town points.
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However, and this is what I keep fucking coming back to.... GK was town read as shit when we started this day. So (in the world where it is Skum!GK), why in all of hell would he push for a No Lynch day? There is no Meta tomorrow if he gets a mislynch today - if he was skum he would just win.
He wants a 50% chance of picking correctly vs a 33% chance.
Fine great. 100% if he is Town he gets a 0% chance tomorrow Of picking at all. I get the sentiment of “town having a 50% chance tomorrow”. But like to push the no vote would mean he thinks a towns chance at 50-50 tomorrow is preferable to lynching today with his opinions. Which is just weir.
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gkrieg having bp'd DatSwan gives DatSwan more town points.
Which is what I said the day after I bpd him.
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Well I’m pretty sure my lynch pool is space/EFHW today.
Datswan is highly likely town btw
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However, and this is what I keep fucking coming back to.... GK was town read as shit when we started this day. So (in the world where it is Skum!GK), why in all of hell would he push for a No Lynch day? There is no Meta tomorrow if he gets a mislynch today - if he was skum he would just win.
He wants a 50% chance of picking correctly vs a 33% chance.
Fine great. 100% if he is Town he gets a 0% chance tomorrow Of picking at all. I get the sentiment of “town having a 50% chance tomorrow”. But like to push the no vote would mean he thinks a towns chance at 50-50 tomorrow is preferable to lynching today with his opinions. Which is just weir.
Sharing the opinions today is good. I agree he probably will die tonight. Then you will have the 50% chance.
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So I am sure you are all already here.. but just in case this is what I have for the NK actions:
N1: Mafia and SK both shoot separate Town Players (Faust and MCMC).
N2: Mafia RBs the SK (thus learning it is O, bc E! still dies). SK shoots E!. (Results in 1 death - E!).
N3: Mafia shoots the "known SK". SK doesn't die so now they know the set up within reason. The SK either shoots the Mafia RS target, the Hidden Commuter, or BP!Swan. (results in no deaths).
N4: Mafia kills SK (O). SK shoots Cuzz. (Results in 2 deaths - O and Cuzz).
- So now there is the whole Tracker vs SK bit for Mafia. Do they find the SK more of a threat than the Tracker? I wanna say yes, so that checks out.
- SK kind of has to assume at this point that either they targeted a randomly BPd player, the hidden commuter, or the Mafia RS target. Since we lynched the RS it is down to Hidden Commuter or BP target. Because of.. IDK, let's call it "math"... they would probably choose to kill Tracker and not risk them being around.
So if O shot me on N3 then I have no BP left and if O shot the RS target on N3 I still have a BP on.
I have to be honest, this would be a great Skum Line to take. Think about it - if GK is fake claiming he can choose to either kill me or not kill based on the game state today. If he thinks killing me will make it look like the conf!situation is I got soaked on N3, then he can kill me and essentially have EFHW/LL choosing between one and other. If he is fake claiming and thinks that me waking up dead will create doubt, then he could kill EFHW or LL. Hell, if we do something dumb like no lynch he could even choose not to shoot tonight, knowing that it is the same situation tomorrow and then play it off like skum was stupid enough to shoot me at night, essentially ICing himself and forcing us to choose between how we want to lose.
And then on the other hand maybe he is BP and targeted me N3.
I hate Mafia.
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If you look at what I quoted myself i would need to have planned this fake claim at the beginning of day 4. Which invalidates some of your points above.
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I mean if you were gonna do it that’s when you would of planned it - that being said... i do admit that you could be just like telling the truth
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Also LL wtf man where are you?
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here's what's going on with me and why i am silent.
I think that Swan is town, most likely to be killed toNight or the other Night. I don't see him being scum at all. If you are, my props, I would declare you MVP of all times.
I think that gkrieg can lie about being BPer but we can't really say if RB and RS were 1-shot, even analyzing the kills, because if the scumteam is Galz/SA/gkrieg, they would imagine such a beautiful and deceiving plan that we would see it long after their win, those people are like the smartest in this game. To sum up my thoughts about gkrieg: he can be BPer or he can be not BPer, we can't say for sure right now. Even his avalanche thrown on Space can be a part of grand scheme and I won't stop suspecting him until the game is over.
EFHW is very good at this game and iirc, practically all her MVPs were achieved as scum player. We were scums together with Robz being the third one once and I was genuinely fascinated by the level of her play. So if this will come to me/EFHW/gkrieg in the end, I would really-really be afraid to make a mistake and I don't think my thinking and analytical skills will be able to say that one of them is 100% scum.
This is really breaking me, being town surrounded by excellent scum-players, reminds me of the game i read, which was the first RR game where he was left with IG and Awaclus, one of them being SK. That's really hard.
What is even harder is that I am suspected. I would rather not, if I were a pr, I'd just claim and hooray, I'm an IC, but I hate being VT just because there's essentially nothing you can do to be proven innocent (unless being copped or something). Don't suspect me, I am not scum here, if I were, you all know that would be obvious from my very first steps. I was really happy to step in as Town and yeah, the 3-person LyLo where I get to decide frightens me a lot, but not as if I will be lynched by scum!gkrieg and town!efhw who was convinced by scum!gkrieg or scum!efhw and town!gkrieg who was convinced by scum!efhw. Don't do that.
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@Lalight, Your concerns about me and gkrieg seem to be based on our play in past games. What about the things we have done in this game?
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I find it very unlikely that scum!gkrieg would fake claim BP in that situation. It's risky, and what does it get him? Maybe town!cred, but any other PR among town would have made it clear he was lying, or at least brought a lot of lasting suspicion.
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I find it very unlikely that scum!gkrieg would fake claim BP in that situation. It's risky, and what does it get him? Maybe town!cred, but any other PR among town would have made it clear he was lying, or at least brought a lot of lasting suspicion.
if you think so, then it worked
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@Lalight, Your concerns about me and gkrieg seem to be based on our play in past games. What about the things we have done in this game?
well, you both look extremely townie, but what good does it, if one of you is scum. actually gkrieg looks a little bit more townie than you, and in most it's because of BPer claim
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@Lalight, Your concerns about me and gkrieg seem to be based on our play in past games. What about the things we have done in this game?
well, you both look extremely townie, but what good does it, if one of you is scum. actually gkrieg looks a little bit more townie than you, and in most it's because of BPer claim
I don’t look townie from pushing for the two scum lynches that we have had so far? I don’t really bus as scum (I know WIFOM) but even so those two would have to have been super hard busses. I was actively trying to get people on their wagons and making cases and such. Scum doesn’t bus like that.
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I'm ready to vote: Lalight, but I won't object to no lynch.
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I find it very unlikely that scum!gkrieg would fake claim BP in that situation. It's risky, and what does it get him? Maybe town!cred, but any other PR among town would have made it clear he was lying, or at least brought a lot of lasting suspicion.
if you think so, then it worked
My point is that it only seems to have worked because there was no counterclaim. Scum!gkrieg would know he was at very high risk of being counterclaimed.
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@Lalight, Your concerns about me and gkrieg seem to be based on our play in past games. What about the things we have done in this game?
well, you both look extremely townie, but what good does it, if one of you is scum. actually gkrieg looks a little bit more townie than you, and in most it's because of BPer claim
I don’t look townie from pushing for the two scum lynches that we have had so far? I don’t really bus as scum (I know WIFOM) but even so those two would have to have been super hard busses. I was actively trying to get people on their wagons and making cases and such. Scum doesn’t bus like that.
Beyond my bussing, there was the attempt by Space to distract from the Galzria wagon with a wagon on me. Scum doesn't try to get the alternative wagon going on their scum partner.
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I'm ready to vote: Lalight, but I won't object to no lynch.
Wow this is scummy!
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I'm ready to vote: Lalight, but I won't object to no lynch.
Wow this is scummy!
How is that scummy?
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I find it very unlikely that scum!gkrieg would fake claim BP in that situation. It's risky, and what does it get him? Maybe town!cred, but any other PR among town would have made it clear he was lying, or at least brought a lot of lasting suspicion.
if you think so, then it worked
My point is that it only seems to have worked because there was no counterclaim. Scum!gkrieg would know he was at very high risk of being counterclaimed.
Hmmm fair...
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I'm ready to vote: Lalight, but I won't object to no lynch.
Wow this is scummy!
How is that scummy?
Why would we lynch anyone today if we can do it tomorrow with higher chances?
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Also well. The only real reason she would do it is if she’s scum. vote: EFHW
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I contradict myself because i react first then think
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I'm ready to vote: Lalight, but I won't object to no lynch.
Wow this is scummy!
How is that scummy?
Why would we lynch anyone today if we can do it tomorrow with higher chances?
I've decided I would vote for you tomorrow, too. Those who want better odds, who are less sure, should go no lynch. That's ok with me, too.
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welp that worked better than expected.
GL tomorrow GK.
Vote: No Lynch
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welp that worked better than expected.
GL tomorrow GK.
Vote: No Lynch
Which one would you vote for if you had to choose right now?
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welp that worked better than expected.
GL tomorrow GK.
Vote: No Lynch
Which one would you vote for if you had to choose right now?
because of the below post I honestly just don't know anymore:
I find it very unlikely that scum!gkrieg would fake claim BP in that situation. It's risky, and what does it get him? Maybe town!cred, but any other PR among town would have made it clear he was lying, or at least brought a lot of lasting suspicion.
if you think so, then it worked
My point is that it only seems to have worked because there was no counterclaim. Scum!gkrieg would know he was at very high risk of being counterclaimed.
Would like to point out that at the end of D4 (when GK claimed) that if they were in 2-T (which skum!GK would know of course), all they need to do given the roles is find 3 Town PRs and then of course there is the last S which is the Skum they know exists. From any town perspective, prior to the claim, all we know is that it is 0, 1, or 2 Ts.
If it is Skum!GK fake claim and they are sitting at 0T then yeah high chance of a CC.
If it is SKum!GK fake claim and they are sitting at 1T then yeah high chance of a CC.
But....
If it is Skum!GK fake claim and they are sitting at 1T... there is literally a 0% chance of fake claim.
UB
Un Named Tracker
Drunk
SK
Add those up, that's 4 letters. If there are 6 total then 6-4 = the 2 Ts they have so they have the game solved. BUT ONLY THEY HAVE THE GAME SOLVED. To Everyone else, it is up in the air. Go look at the letter combinations, its easy to see they knew there was no added W and there are multiple ways to which mix up the letters to make one more BP come into play without adding said W (only mentioned because that is what would complicate things).
Allllllllll that being said. I find it equally suspicious for someone to be in the mindset of not thinking this through (meaning possibly EFHW is skum and it is a 1T set up and they knew there was another role so they chose not to try a fake claim bc of CC options).... as it is that the above could possibly be a thing.
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Also in safe fake claim scenario Skum!GK also knows who the SK is at this point, but obv doesn't want the tracker or the SK to remain alive.
By claiming they would shield the Tracker it kind of forces SK into a spot to have to shoot there (even on a double shoot), just to ensure that the Tracker dies.
Since GK in this scenario would of course know they are not BPd, and they would also know to a like 99% certainty who the SK was, he could kill two birds with one stone.
Again, not saying it is a thing, just saying it could of been a plan.
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I was assuming the 1T scenario since that is what we seem to have.
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I was assuming the 1T scenario since that is what we seem to have.
But that is with me believing gkrieg. I guess scum!gkrieg could make use of a 2T situation that way. My mistaken assumption makes gkrieg look scummier. I don't see how it makes me scummier. It's not like we could be partners.
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And I've got nothing smart to say
to wrap it up, to come to close.
I hardly see beyond my nose.
And I've got no idea of
what you've been through
or had to do
or rose above.
But brother, I believe in love. (https://youtu.be/AZK1eR159OI?t=210)
Day 5 Final Vote Count
No Lynch (2): gkrieg13, DatSwan
Lalight (1): EFHW
EFHW (1): Lalight
With four alive, it would have taken three to lynch. Night 5 starts now and last until May 12 at 8:45PM Forum time.
Thread locked!
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Standard rules indicate that the night will last until May 12 at 8:45PM forum time. However, if everyone posts a note in their QT stating that they will accept a shorter night phase, I will start Day 6 tomorrow on May 11 at 8:45PM forum time instead.
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Meriden months stuck in Indian summers
and Dad's on the line, but I'm fine.
"Here's the phone..."
Oh, it's floating away,
going away, on the tide. (https://youtu.be/l-HKqwQ6pIQ?t=30)
Day 6 starts now!
Vote count 6.0
not voting (4): Lalight, DatSwan, EFHW, Gkrieg13
With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. Day 6 ends Friday, May 18 at 9:00pm forum time.
Thread unlocked!
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Ha
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Welp I thought that might happen. what are the no lynch no kill rules?
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3 of each, town wins.
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Three rounds of no lynch no kill result in a town win.
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So from my understanding this could mean a few things:
1) Mafia shot Town, but Town had BP - I (or someone, but assuming me) was the target last night and I in fact did have a BP shield on me.
2) Mafia chose not to shoot knowing that no one is BPd currently - This could be because they did in fact shoot me N3 and I did not die, or it could be because GK is lying.
3) Mafia chose not to shoot knowing that it is highly probable (or in some scenarios 100% known to them) that a Town Player is BPd. - This one doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.
Scenario 1 is probably most likely.
Scenario 3 is probably least likely.
Scenario 2 is somewhere in the middle.
The hang up I am having, and please feel free to throw ideas out there in regards to this... but the issue I am having is regarding the choice to not shoot someone. The only way I can keep this straight is to think from my own perspective, so that is how the below is written:
Skum Motivation for Shooting Swan
1) Get rid of BP shield.
2) Try to kill a player (assuming Swan)
3) Just being fair - removing me from the lynch pool that I would never be put in, is obviously beneficial with 4 left. Especially with the doubt I casted on GK yesterday.
Skum Motivation for NOT Shooting ANYONE
1) GK is Skum - trying to sell himself more as the BP.
2) Skum tried to kill me Night 3, and does not include GK - They know GK is telling the truth, but if they kill me it kind of conf!towns him.
Lots of avenues. Because of the 3 round Town Win rule... I may actually be a fan of going no lynch again.
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Well, that’s not weird at all.
On a bright side we have a lot more time to talk now
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So from my understanding this could mean a few things:
1) Mafia shot Town, but Town had BP - I (or someone, but assuming me) was the target last night and I in fact did have a BP shield on me.
2) Mafia chose not to shoot knowing that no one is BPd currently - This could be because they did in fact shoot me N3 and I did not die, or it could be because GK is lying.
3) Mafia chose not to shoot knowing that it is highly probable (or in some scenarios 100% known to them) that a Town Player is BPd. - This one doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.
Scenario 1 is probably most likely.
Scenario 3 is probably least likely.
Scenario 2 is somewhere in the middle.
The hang up I am having, and please feel free to throw ideas out there in regards to this... but the issue I am having is regarding the choice to not shoot someone. The only way I can keep this straight is to think from my own perspective, so that is how the below is written:
Skum Motivation for Shooting Swan
1) Get rid of BP shield.
2) Try to kill a player (assuming Swan)
3) Just being fair - removing me from the lynch pool that I would never be put in, is obviously beneficial with 4 left. Especially with the doubt I casted on GK yesterday.
Skum Motivation for NOT Shooting ANYONE
1) GK is Skum - trying to sell himself more as the BP.
2) Skum tried to kill me Night 3, and does not include GK - They know GK is telling the truth, but if they kill me it kind of conf!towns him.
Lots of avenues. Because of the 3 round Town Win rule... I may actually be a fan of going no lynch again.
I like this analysis and i think it definitely points to no lynching again.
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Nothing has changed for me. Fine with LL or no lynch.
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Yeah vote: no lynch
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fuck it.
I have made up my mind.
Vote Gkrieg13
Every scenario I can come up with that puts EFHW/LL as skum comes down to they either shoot GK last night and then I go 50-50 today, or they shoot me last night (or don't shoot if I was shot at N3), to then kill me tonight and go 50-50 with the other vs GK instead.
I guess I might beezy out and go back to no vote... maybe... but it seems like it makes the most sense.
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Vote: Gkrieg13
Proper format - sorry.
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fuck it.
I have made up my mind.
Vote Gkrieg13
Every scenario I can come up with that puts EFHW/LL as skum comes down to they either shoot GK last night and then I go 50-50 today, or they shoot me last night (or don't shoot if I was shot at N3), to then kill me tonight and go 50-50 with the other vs GK instead.
I guess I might beezy out and go back to no vote... maybe... but it seems like it makes the most sense.
It seems to me like you are abandoning your reads and going with just my role and what you think happened last night.
More evidence of me being a bulletproofer is that O actually killed Cuzz. That means he must have known I had used up my shot already from trying to shoot you the night before. Or he just figured mafia would shoot Cuzz as well to get the tracker killed.
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Crystalized wishes, like kids cry for Christmases
ticking off lists with their pens in their fists before
floating away, going away on the tide. (https://youtu.be/l-HKqwQ6pIQ?t=45)
Vote count 6.1
No Lynch (1): gkrieg13
gkrieg13 (1): DatSwan
not voting (2): Lalight, EFHW
With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. Day 6 ends Friday, May 18 at 9:00pm forum time.
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fuck it.
I have made up my mind.
Vote Gkrieg13
Every scenario I can come up with that puts EFHW/LL as skum comes down to they either shoot GK last night and then I go 50-50 today, or they shoot me last night (or don't shoot if I was shot at N3), to then kill me tonight and go 50-50 with the other vs GK instead.
I guess I might beezy out and go back to no vote... maybe... but it seems like it makes the most sense.
Trying to interpret no nk here is WIFOM. I really don't think gkrieg is scum.
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fuck it.
I have made up my mind.
Vote Gkrieg13
Every scenario I can come up with that puts EFHW/LL as skum comes down to they either shoot GK last night and then I go 50-50 today, or they shoot me last night (or don't shoot if I was shot at N3), to then kill me tonight and go 50-50 with the other vs GK instead.
I guess I might beezy out and go back to no vote... maybe... but it seems like it makes the most sense.
It seems to me like you are abandoning your reads and going with just my role and what you think happened last night.
More evidence of me being a bulletproofer is that O actually killed Cuzz. That means he must have known I had used up my shot already from trying to shoot you the night before. Or he just figured mafia would shoot Cuzz as well to get the tracker killed.
Or the other you know... thousand options including what i already mentioned - he could of targeted the RS Target, he could of targeted the commuter.... actually the least likely scenario for O to of thought was that her shot the BP target.
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fuck it.
I have made up my mind.
Vote Gkrieg13
Every scenario I can come up with that puts EFHW/LL as skum comes down to they either shoot GK last night and then I go 50-50 today, or they shoot me last night (or don't shoot if I was shot at N3), to then kill me tonight and go 50-50 with the other vs GK instead.
I guess I might beezy out and go back to no vote... maybe... but it seems like it makes the most sense.
Trying to interpret no nk here is WIFOM. I really don't think gkrieg is scum.
Also, since GK is obv on the No lynch train, and LL isn't gonna vote for themselves... just vote No Lynch then. I have said all that I can say about GK, I am not gonna change your mind. LL probably isn't either (even if they chose to try to do so), so why drag it out?
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Well, that’s not weird at all.
On a bright side we have a lot more time to talk now
so in a totally non-sarcastic tone... how about you talk about something then?
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I don’t think gkrieg is scum and even if he is i’d rather no lynch so vote: no lynch
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vote: no lynch.
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On a balcony, at the brilliant sea where all rivers meet
a voice spoke to me and said "These things have just got to be, I don't know why."
And I said "Here's to the freeway flasher! Here's to the desperate dasher!
Guard him and keep him from crashing on his tear.
I know you think you miss him. I know you think you knew him.
But you were just passing through him. Light as air, he's leaving, there...
he's gone." (https://youtu.be/l-HKqwQ6pIQ?t=207)
Day 6 Final Vote Count
No Lynch (3): gkrieg13, Lalight, EFHW
gkrieg13 (1): DatSwan
With 4 alive, it took 3 not to lynch. Night 6 begins now and ends tomorrow at 8:30AM forum time. If anyone would like a longer (48 hour) night phase, please request it in your QT within the first 24 hours.
Thread locked!
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Once I died in a dream
and the world without me went fine
and then years went by.
Take me to that city in the sky.
The clouds are aquamarine.
The architect remains unseen.
I'll live my life out on your street
up where the bluebirds fly.
Help me to the other side.
(https://youtu.be/Sss1NobQImI?t=250)
DatSwan has died in the night. He was a vanilla townie.
Your great-grandfather was a great lawyer
and his kid made a mint off the war.
Your father shot stills and then directed films
that your mom did publicity for. (https://youtu.be/Xxu9gagd0-U)
Day seven starts now!
Vote Count 7.0
Not Voting (3): gkrieg13, Lalight, EFHW
With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch. Day 7 ends Monday, May 21 at 8:45AM forum time.
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vote: Lalight
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here's my first three-person LyLo. I need to reread everything again.
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erm may you just not rush it?
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vote: LaLight
Sorry, I just don’t see myself changing my mind. If it is EFHW then gg.
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oh i see
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oh i see
was I right or wrong?
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oh i see
was I right or wrong?
You'll see soon
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oh i see
was I right or wrong?
You'll see soon
That makes me hopeful. I think you would be a lot angrier had you been town?
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oh i see
was I right or wrong?
You'll see soon
If i was scum i’d start yelling i would town, you know that :)
That makes me hopeful. I think you would be a lot angrier had you been town?
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vote: LaLight
Sorry, I just don’t see myself changing my mind. If it is EFHW then gg.
I had the same thought about you. It's not me.
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vote: LaLight
Sorry, I just don’t see myself changing my mind. If it is EFHW then gg.
I had the same thought about you. It's not me.
Yay! That was definitely a close game. LaLight, what made you decide to hammer Hydrad?
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vote: LaLight
Sorry, I just don’t see myself changing my mind. If it is EFHW then gg.
I had the same thought about you. It's not me.
Yay! That was definitely a close game. LaLight, what made you decide to hammer Hydrad?
I now realise that might’ve been a huge mistake, but it gave me quite a few townpoints huh
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vote: LaLight
Sorry, I just don’t see myself changing my mind. If it is EFHW then gg.
I had the same thought about you. It's not me.
Yay! That was definitely a close game. LaLight, what made you decide to hammer Hydrad?
I now realise that might’ve been a huge mistake, but it gave me quite a few townpoints huh
It did give you a lot of town points. I think if you had matched your town meta a little bit more at the end, I probably would've gone for EFHW. I'm not sure a no lynch there would have gotten the win for you, but I also don't think that EFHW was going to hammer either at that point.
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At the end of D2 I had all the scums as scum reads in my QT!
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Happy Will Sheff means that...
TOWN WINS!
Lalight was John, the mafia tracker.
gkrieg13 was Frankie, the town one shot bulletproofer. EFHW was a vanilla townie.
QTS and other details to come when I get off work. But the game is over and thread is open for discussion.
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Yay! We won!
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Good game everyone. That one came down to the wire. I still don't really like games with SKs though.
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Yay! We won!
My streak of town victories in games where I'm lynched remains unbroken!
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Yay! We won!
My streak of town victories in games where I'm lynched remains unbroken!
Ya, sorry about that...
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Yay! We won!
My streak of town victories in games where I'm lynched remains unbroken!
Ya, sorry about that...
I've won two games, ever. Both of them involved me being lynched D1. I'm pretty sure my mislynch D1 is better for town than a scum lynch. So no apologies needed.
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I definitely think Scum had a better chance if they didn't throw two nightkills at me after finding the SK. The only reason it was this close is that Gkriegs bulletproof fakeout made me believe my only wincon was to burn Cuzz's bulletproof status.
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Also it's super frustrating to be SK (a team of one) and to shoot mafia (a team of three) twice and have NEITHER kill go thru due to the mafias PR advantage over me.
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I definitely think Scum had a better chance if they didn't throw two nightkills at me after finding the SK. The only reason it was this close is that Gkriegs bulletproof fakeout made me believe my only wincon was to burn Cuzz's bulletproof status.
Ya I think I would've pegged you as SK, but I'm not sure if it would've even mattered. I am glad that it didn't come to a kingmaking scenario though. Those are the worst.
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Also it's super frustrating to be SK (a team of one) and to shoot mafia (a team of three) twice and have NEITHER kill go thru due to the mafias PR advantage over me.
I agree with this. I think SK is very underpowered here, in setups where scum has an auto commuter. I think the scum could be ascetic, 1-shot bulletproof, or something like that, but making them untargetable really sucks for SK here. I think SK needs to have some more tricks up there sleeve here. But I just really don't like SKs.
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Yay a victory! GG everyone. Agree SK is pretty horribly underpowered here.
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I definitely think Scum had a better chance if they didn't throw two nightkills at me after finding the SK. The only reason it was this close is that Gkriegs bulletproof fakeout made me believe my only wincon was to burn Cuzz's bulletproof status.
I'm also glad that the bulletproofing fakeout worked!
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I definitely think Scum had a better chance if they didn't throw two nightkills at me after finding the SK. The only reason it was this close is that Gkriegs bulletproof fakeout made me believe my only wincon was to burn Cuzz's bulletproof status.
I'm also glad that the bulletproofing fakeout worked!
Wait I'm saying it didn't really work. If I thought Cuzz didnt have bulletproof I would have just shot EFHW/LaLight/maybe datswan to try and kill off the last scum, and then shoot Cuzz the next day. I was pretty confident Cuzz wouldn't track me that night.
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I definitely think Scum had a better chance if they didn't throw two nightkills at me after finding the SK. The only reason it was this close is that Gkriegs bulletproof fakeout made me believe my only wincon was to burn Cuzz's bulletproof status.
I'm also glad that the bulletproofing fakeout worked!
Wait I'm saying it didn't really work. If I thought Cuzz didnt have bulletproof I would have just shot EFHW/LaLight/maybe datswan to try and kill off the last scum, and then shoot Cuzz the next day. I was pretty confident Cuzz wouldn't track me that night.
I think he means it worked because he convinced someone with the ability to NK that Cuzz was bulletproof, not that the play worked since Cuzz died.
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I definitely think Scum had a better chance if they didn't throw two nightkills at me after finding the SK. The only reason it was this close is that Gkriegs bulletproof fakeout made me believe my only wincon was to burn Cuzz's bulletproof status.
I'm also glad that the bulletproofing fakeout worked!
Wait I'm saying it didn't really work. If I thought Cuzz didnt have bulletproof I would have just shot EFHW/LaLight/maybe datswan to try and kill off the last scum, and then shoot Cuzz the next day. I was pretty confident Cuzz wouldn't track me that night.
Well at least it did something I guess.
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I actually Tracked O N1. I wonder how the game would have gone had I not died.
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Yay a victory! GG everyone. Agree SK is pretty horribly underpowered here.
Problem with SKs is they're usually either underpowered or super duper swingy.
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Also I rechecked and I ended every day voting for scum!
Having a flawless record is so easy when you die early.
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Yay a victory! GG everyone. Agree SK is pretty horribly underpowered here.
Problem with SKs is they're usually either underpowered or super duper swingy.
I mean you can have SKs that kill the entire mafia team or ones that only shoot town. In one case town only needs to get one correct lynch, and in the other case they can only afford one mislynch.
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I actually Tracked O N1. I wonder how the game would have gone had I not died.
I said in my QT that I wasn't sure you were a tracker, but I was sure you would track me if you were.
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Yayyyy good job guys!
Gg everyone!
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Also it's super frustrating to be SK (a team of one) and to shoot mafia (a team of three) twice and have NEITHER kill go thru due to the mafias PR advantage over me.
That is frustrating. Commuter did hurt them as well, at least.
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Yayyyy good job guys!
Gg everyone!
DatSwan, were you serious about gkrieg at the end there or were you up to something tricky?
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Also it's super frustrating to be SK (a team of one) and to shoot mafia (a team of three) twice and have NEITHER kill go thru due to the mafias PR advantage over me.
That is frustrating. Commuter did hurt them as well, at least.
I'm not even sure it did! I self-role-stopped, because we'd discovered that it was possible, in spite of what people in-thread were saying :-P
I can't even remember why it was a good idea at the time... I don't think there was really any possibility for us after Galz had to sub out instead of delivering the strong performance necessary on the back of his super-scummy hammer. Hydrad subbed into a really uncomfortable situation there!
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Did you rolestop Galzria or roleblock me?
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Did you rolestop Galzria or roleblock me?
I rolestopped Galz, because he was convinced that Swan was the SK and was out to get him. Personally, I was betting on gkrieg for SK, especially after we tracked him the night he BPd Swan...
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So your first shot on me, you didn't know I was SK? Or was I tracked beforehand.
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So your first shot on me, you didn't know I was SK? Or was I tracked beforehand.
I didn't know you were the SK. I thought you'd displayed a little bit too much of an understanding of the targeting-role mechanics earlier, so I figured you for the IC tracker.
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Yayyyy good job guys!
Gg everyone!
DatSwan, were you serious about gkrieg at the end there or were you up to something tricky?
Wanted to see if it would make him vote or if it would cause someone to vote him.
Figured after no vote first time if anyone was even gonna vote him it would not get 3 on it.
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Mod QT: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/k87hQ6LR3wd <-- Night actions, some game commentary and probably an annoying amount of me prepping song lyrics ahead of time so that I could post them without wasting a lot of time on the fly.
Mafia QT: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/5ztFQnnAhpBdt
Speccy: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/s8qEf4ktDHh
Thoughts:
During the game, Okkervil River released a new album that is lighter and more hopeful than anything they've released before. I found Will Sheff's songwriting suitable for mafia because he has so many meditations on death and the nature of evil, but his new album is completely different and it gave more material for a potential town win. The smiling Will Sheff picture that I used to signify a town win didn't exist when the game started - it was taken during the first show for his new album. I really enjoyed sharing the song lyrics, so thanks for giving me a platform for that.
D3 was the crucial day. Almost all of town and SK rallied around lynching Galzria, and then mafia took a hit when both TWM and Galzria had to replace out of the game from the original mafia team. It would have been interesting to see what may have happened if mafia had 3 active teammates through all of D3. I'm also curious to know whether EFHW was planning to hammer Hydrad before the deadline if it would have come to no lynch otherwise.
Hidden commuter was probably the most awkward part of the setup. There was a lot of confusion about how it worked (Space was untargetable all game, but could still target other players), and the way that it acted as a simultaneous buff and potential nerf to mafia did not end up feeling good.
The rolestopping power also ended up being very good for mafia; they were able to use it to rolestop the teammate that O targeted for a kill two nights in a row. This didn't end up terribly hurting town, as they were still able to lynch that player the following day, but it made it a lot harder for O to win as serial killer. If I ran a similar setup again, I don't think I would give mafia 5 potential days worth of self protection from the SK in addition to a hidden commuter that further protects them.
O played well and has made fair points about the under-poweredness of the SK here. He also had a slightly better shot at winning than he what he thought. Mafia targeted him because they considered him to be towny, not because they thought he was the SK. If he had been able to keep a lower profile (hard in a low activity game) or if mafia decided to target DatSwan or gkrieg instead, he may have been able avoid the NK and ultimately win. That being said, his path to victory was definitely more narrow than anyone else's.
Both DatSwan and gkrieg had basically correct reads going into D3 & afterward, which was really impressive. DatSwan even had almost all correct reads N1, except that he had Robz (who he helped mislynch D2) pegged as a possible scum.
I'll give the MVP to gkrieg13 for both early correct reads really keeping it together and handling situations well throughout the entire game, including endgame. Nod to DatSwan and O for also playing well throughout.
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If hidden commuter could target people, what's the nerf? Maybe it would be better to have a random scum be hidden commuter each night, and they can't target people.
I looked back at Day 3. I might have hammered. Lalight hammered so far before deadline I hadn't had to make a decision. But I do remember, as I said Day 4, that a lot of the reasoning about Galzria/Hydrad seemed flawed to me at the time and that made me suspicious and I didn't want to just go along.
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Thanks for the MVP!
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@mcmc - remember for next time that I was town here!
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Thanks for the MVP!
Congrats gkrieg. I'm glad our misunderstandings didn't get us into mutual scum-reading this time!
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During the game, Okkervil River released a new album that is lighter and more hopeful than anything they've released before.
Anti-depressants?
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During the game, Okkervil River released a new album that is lighter and more hopeful than anything they've released before.
Anti-depressants?
He talked about attending Quaker meetings, therapy and microdosing on hallucinogens, all of which contributed to a major shift in perspective.
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If hidden commuter could target people, what's the nerf? Maybe it would be better to have a random scum be hidden commuter each night, and they can't target people.
I looked back at Day 3. I might have hammered. Lalight hammered so far before deadline I hadn't had to make a decision. But I do remember, as I said Day 4, that a lot of the reasoning about Galzria/Hydrad seemed flawed to me at the time and that made me suspicious and I didn't want to just go along.
Having a teammate who can't target anyone and who doesn't know that would be a huge nerf to mafia. Hidden commuter can still be a nerf because a commuter returns "No result" to trackers in a setup where it is all but guaranteed for there to be one tracker and the most likely roles after that is a second tracker.
Hidden commuter was the wrong term though. The modifier should have been called hidden self rolestopper.
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If hidden commuter could target people, what's the nerf? Maybe it would be better to have a random scum be hidden commuter each night, and they can't target people.
I looked back at Day 3. I might have hammered. Lalight hammered so far before deadline I hadn't had to make a decision. But I do remember, as I said Day 4, that a lot of the reasoning about Galzria/Hydrad seemed flawed to me at the time and that made me suspicious and I didn't want to just go along.
Having a teammate who can't target anyone and who doesn't know that would be a huge nerf to mafia. Hidden commuter can still be a nerf because a commuter returns "No result" to trackers in a setup where it is all but guaranteed for there to be one tracker and the most likely roles after that is a second tracker.
Hidden commuter was the wrong term though. The modifier should have been called hidden self rolestopper.
For reference, what does ninja kill return on being tracked?
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If hidden commuter could target people, what's the nerf? Maybe it would be better to have a random scum be hidden commuter each night, and they can't target people.
I looked back at Day 3. I might have hammered. Lalight hammered so far before deadline I hadn't had to make a decision. But I do remember, as I said Day 4, that a lot of the reasoning about Galzria/Hydrad seemed flawed to me at the time and that made me suspicious and I didn't want to just go along.
Having a teammate who can't target anyone and who doesn't know that would be a huge nerf to mafia. Hidden commuter can still be a nerf because a commuter returns "No result" to trackers in a setup where it is all but guaranteed for there to be one tracker and the most likely roles after that is a second tracker.
Hidden commuter was the wrong term though. The modifier should have been called hidden self rolestopper.
For reference, what does ninja kill return on being tracked?
If someone tracked your ninja kill, it would have returned "O did not visit anyone," as long as the tracker wasn't roleblocked, and you weren't rolestopped, and all that good stuff.
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With rolestopping, roleblocking and commuter, "no result" wouldn't usually be very damning. But it was in this case, so there is that.
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@mcmc - remember for next time that I was town here!
Yea, I was surprised even at the end. I have to go back and see exactly why I scumread you.