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Dominion => Rules Questions => Topic started by: rubikbeggar on July 04, 2017, 01:54:04 pm
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I'm asking this because on the wiki, there's this statement on Donate's FAQ:
• This happens between turns, and so Possession (from Dominion: Alchemy) will no longer be doing anything.
And I just don't understand what it means, so could you clarify ?
My first thought was "?", and when I stopped to think, the only meaning I could find was "This happen after the Possession turn if there is one." But I find that totally illogical, I'd rather think that you would get to choose which one happens first, no ?
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Possession lets you take control of the player's next turn. If you buy Donate on the Possessed turn, your Possession effect ends before Donate triggers, so you don't get to choose what cards the Possessed player trashes.
Edit: The Secret History says Donate used to happen at clean-up, instead of between turns. This had to happen because of a quirk in Possession. If you trash any cards in the Possessed turn, they go back to the discard at end of turn, after clean-up, meaning after you draw your hand for the next turn. If Donate happened at clean-up, you could do this:
1. Play Possession.
2. On possessed turn, buy Donate.
3. Choose to trash everything in clean-up.
4. Opponent's deck now has 0 cards in it. Their hand for next turn is 0 cards.
5. Trashed cards go back to discard, but opponent can't do anything with them.
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Ok, so it's just to avoid an obvious Pin, isn't it ?
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Ok, so it's just to avoid an obvious Pin, isn't it ?
Yes.
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This had to happen because of a quirk in Possession.
Man, how many nickels would Donald have given how many times this very thing has come up?
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Possession lets you take control of the player's next turn. If you buy Donate on the Possessed turn, your Possession effect ends before Donate triggers, so you don't get to choose what cards the Possessed player trashes.
So if I get this straight. If I play multiple Possessions and thus get to have multiple of the opponents turns in a row. The 'in between turns time' starts with the 'after this turn time', where Donate happens, and is still controlled by my opponent, because it falls outside of his (possesed) turns.
I find it confusing to know who is in control outside of the turns, because Donate just says 'you' are.
I think I got it figured out like this:
'You' refers to the one who plays and buys the card, which is in all cases the owner of the deck. It is just that (during the turn!) their choices are made by the player who played Possession.
Is this correct?
EDIT: https://youtu.be/9A_2wCC3eUI?t=5215
This weird case seems to fall within this explanation at least. B posseses Q. Possesed Q plays a lot of cards and buys some emporiums, B gains those emporiums without points, because B does not have actions in play.
Question: Would this mean that 'when you buy' effects happen to the possessed player, while 'when you gain' effects happen to the possessing player?
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Question: Would this mean that 'when you buy' effects happen to the possessed player, while 'when you gain' effects happen to the possessing player?
Yes, because the possessee is the one buying the cards, but the possessor is the one gaining them.