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Title: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Game Over!)
Post by: ashersky on March 15, 2017, 12:14:13 pm
Welcome to ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings BLITZ Mafia by ashersky.

This game will use an Original, Open, Blitz setup designed by ashersky.  It is based on RMM39 and ZM17* setups.

There is no co-mod.

Sign ups are open.


1. Awaclus
2. CJ
3. Jake
4. igu
5. LaLight
6. RR
7. Chairs
8. liopoil

Game State Tracker:
Day 1...

The Rules with changes in RED because RED goes faster:

The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.


The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay. If you are not sure about your paraphrase, ask the mod first.
4. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
5. All night actions must be submitted within 24 hours of day ending.
6. Players must post once every 24 24 hours.
7. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
8. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
9. Cryptography is not allowed.
10. The time between a lynch being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the lynched player.
11. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except their Role QT. A lynched player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.  Lynched mafia may still post in the Mafia QT.
12. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.

The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may not vote: no lynch.
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone.
6. Lynch rules vary by the number of players alive.  With 10 or more players alive, the player with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched.  Ties are broken by coin flip. With nine or less players alive, if a majority lynch is not reached by the deadline, no lynch occurs.

The Rest:
1. Bold, maroon text is reserved for the Mod. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via PM or in your Role QT. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. One prod will be issued after 36 hours without posting in the game thread. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod. No prods will be issued.  Players who do not post for 24 hours will be modkilled.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod, up to modkill.

Deadlines:
1. Days will last 48 IRL hours.
2. Nights will last no longer than ten IRL minutes.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: ashersky on March 15, 2017, 12:14:56 pm
The Setup and Mechanics:

The following 8 roles will be randomly assigned:

Kubo, the Innocent Child
Monkey, Kubo's Protector
Beetle, Kubo's Defender
Vanilla Villager
Vanilla Villager
The Moon King
Moon Sister
Moon Sister

--Green roles are town-aligned, and may be known collectively as Villagers.  Red roles are mafia-aligned, and may be known collected as mafia.
--This game has instant nights.  All night action targets must be selected before the day ends.  The most recently received target when a hammer vote is cast is selected.
--Kubo is announced at the game start.
--Monkey always targets Kubo at night and protects him from the nightkill.
--Beetle may choose a target each day.  That target cannot perform actions that night.
--The Mafia Nightkill is compulsive.  If a target is not selected, it will default to Kubo.  If a killer is not selected, it will default to the Moon King.
--Mafia have daychat.  Dead mafia can continue to chat in the mafia QT.

This game uses two white flags:
1) If the Moon King is lynched, town wins immediately.
2) If both Moon Sisters are lynched, town wins immediately.

The mafia win condition is: "You win when Kubo is dead, or when the mafia outnumber the villagers."
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: LaLight on March 15, 2017, 12:16:37 pm
/tag
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: LaLight on March 15, 2017, 12:22:29 pm
Change the number if the game in the op :)
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: Awaclus on March 15, 2017, 12:28:31 pm
/in
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: schadd on March 15, 2017, 12:31:21 pm
/tagain
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: faust on March 15, 2017, 12:33:27 pm
/in
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: ashersky on March 15, 2017, 12:34:34 pm
Note one large rule change: no lynch is not an option.  Highest vote holder is lynched.  In the case of a tie, coin flip.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on March 15, 2017, 12:53:08 pm
I'll /in but if someone who didn't play ZM23 wants to play they can take my spot
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: Robz888 on March 15, 2017, 12:55:57 pm
/in let's give this a spin.

Has to start soon, though. Next week, I'm much busier.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: mcmcsalot on March 15, 2017, 12:58:18 pm
/tag but y'all aren't baiting me in to playing.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on March 15, 2017, 01:01:32 pm
/tag
The first one was intense.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: Joseph2302 on March 15, 2017, 01:04:56 pm
/tag
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: schadd on March 15, 2017, 01:05:57 pm
blitz with robz and faust sounds really fun but i am pretty sure that i generally suck farts as scum in a blitz game.


eh, whatever


/in, sorry in advance partners
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: schadd on March 15, 2017, 01:20:03 pm
6. Players must post once every 24 24 hours.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: faust on March 15, 2017, 01:36:06 pm
blitz with robz and faust sounds really fun but i am pretty sure that i generally suck farts as scum in a blitz game.
Just be town then!
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on March 15, 2017, 01:43:41 pm
/tag maybe in later

That was more fun than I thought, I never felt pressed for time.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: gkrieg13 on March 15, 2017, 01:57:57 pm
I kind of wish every D1 was that long honestly
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: pacovf on March 15, 2017, 03:05:53 pm
The fact that 3v3 is not auto-win for scum anymore will probably change D1 quite a bit. No more quickhammer discussion.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: Awaclus on March 15, 2017, 03:21:01 pm
Also the massclaiming strategy is a lot worse if town can't nolynch. Still could be worth doing though.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: schadd on March 15, 2017, 03:27:14 pm
egh, /out
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: pacovf on March 15, 2017, 03:29:13 pm
Also the massclaiming strategy is a lot worse if town can't nolynch. Still could be worth doing though.

I actually didn't follow the discussion last game as closely as I should, I didn't have the time. Why was it better to no-lynch?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: Awaclus on March 15, 2017, 03:49:21 pm
Also the massclaiming strategy is a lot worse if town can't nolynch. Still could be worth doing though.

I actually didn't follow the discussion last game as closely as I should, I didn't have the time. Why was it better to no-lynch?

Well, first of all, scum really should have claimed both PRs. The fact that we knew that WW was the Monkey made it obvious who the scum were (even more so than I predicted at the time when I concluded that scum would surely claim both PRs), so you should have never allowed for that to become the case.

Given that scum claims both PRs, if you nightkill the real Monkey after nolynch, it will out the remaining claimed Monkey as scum, which is super useful for town for getting more info and stuff. There's a bit of WIFOM involved, but it might not be too difficult to lynch the Moon King with the info town gets from the confirmed scum, and then there's still the chance of the real Beetle being able to prevent NKs, and combined, those odds are actually pretty decent (~47% win rate mathematically, but should be easier with reads). On the other hand, if you nightkill a VT to conceal the identity of the scum team, that's great for town, too.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: Awaclus on March 15, 2017, 03:50:51 pm
Since scum claimed two VTs, there was obviously no point in nolynching.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: pacovf on March 15, 2017, 03:53:38 pm
I am confused by you saying that scum should claim both PRs, when you recognize that means that if scums NKs a PR, they out one of their own. It's not at all clear that is the right way to go. Also, as last game showed, it was not at all obvious who was the scum.

EDIT: in fact, from a purely information-based approach, fakeclaiming one or two PRs both have just as many combinations available (2*(4*3/2) and 2*2*3 respectively), while fakeclaiming only one PR helps hiding the Moon King.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: ashersky on March 15, 2017, 05:56:30 pm
4 more needed, starts when full.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: LaLight on March 15, 2017, 06:16:02 pm
ok, I'm /in if no one wants to take my place.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: Awaclus on March 15, 2017, 06:42:16 pm
I am confused by you saying that scum should claim both PRs, when you recognize that means that if scums NKs a PR, they out one of their own. It's not at all clear that is the right way to go. Also, as last game showed, it was not at all obvious who was the scum.

It was though. I was definitely treating everyone except the actual scum team as an IC ever since WW softclaimed, and when he claimed for real, it was over.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: pacovf on March 15, 2017, 07:40:53 pm
I am confused by you saying that scum should claim both PRs, when you recognize that means that if scums NKs a PR, they out one of their own. It's not at all clear that is the right way to go. Also, as last game showed, it was not at all obvious who was the scum.

It was though. I was definitely treating everyone except the actual scum team as an IC ever since WW softclaimed, and when he claimed for real, it was over.

Just because it was obvious to you doesn't mean it was obvious to everyone, which is my point. WW claiming earlier wouldn't have changed anything, everybody was considering him a pseudo-IC anyway.

I don't think we will agree about this, so I am gracefully bowing out of this discussion.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on March 15, 2017, 08:02:20 pm
I had thought pacovf was going to claim the other monkey because I put in the QT early on that I was gonna claim Vt. When he claimed vt I was really suprised and then got more confused when there was 5 claimed vts last game. Yeah I think that was the start of the downfall of the scum.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on March 15, 2017, 08:04:34 pm
The fact that 3v3 is not auto-win for scum anymore will probably change D1 quite a bit. No more quickhammer discussion.

How is 3v3 no longer a scum win? Did something change in the rules for this one compared to the last one?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: pacovf on March 15, 2017, 08:38:37 pm
I had thought pacovf was going to claim the other monkey because I put in the QT early on that I was gonna claim Vt. When he claimed vt I was really suprised and then got more confused when there was 5 claimed vts last game. Yeah I think that was the start of the downfall of the scum.

I never said I was going to claim anything at all. Awaclus was the one saying scum was going to fakeclaim both PRs, which well I obviously disagree with. The way the rules were stated last game, Monkey was barely better than a named VT; people were valuing it way too highly.

Besides, we were far from lost after the massclaim. You need to learn to keep your cool under pressure, then eventually the pressure goes away if you know what you are doing.

The fact that 3v3 is not auto-win for scum anymore will probably change D1 quite a bit. No more quickhammer discussion.

How is 3v3 no longer a scum win? Did something change in the rules for this one compared to the last one?

Now lynches are mandatory, which means that 3v3 goes from automatic scum victory to ~66% chance of scum victory (good, but not great).
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on March 16, 2017, 02:17:23 pm
Now lynches are mandatory, which means that 3v3 goes from automatic scum victory to ~66% chance of scum victory (good, but not great).

Aha! Thanks :-)
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on March 16, 2017, 02:18:58 pm
Can I be /in now that other people have had a chance to join? Reading other games just isn't as interesting as playing :-P
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: Robz888 on March 16, 2017, 05:50:00 pm
/out. Unfortunately, I don't have time for this. I don't know what was wrong with me, thinking that I did.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: faust on March 28, 2017, 07:42:44 am
/out

I won't have the time to participate in this for a while.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on March 28, 2017, 07:56:46 am
/in
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on March 30, 2017, 07:18:19 pm
Anyone else wanna do this??
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: chairs on July 05, 2017, 02:08:53 pm
/in
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: ashersky on July 05, 2017, 06:18:42 pm
This is still open.  At this point, please restate your interest.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on July 05, 2017, 06:27:33 pm
yes
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: schadd on July 05, 2017, 06:28:44 pm
your interest
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on July 05, 2017, 06:29:30 pm
your interest
Wait you're not even signed up
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: schadd on July 05, 2017, 06:31:07 pm
yeah i don't like blitz games
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: Awaclus on July 05, 2017, 06:36:41 pm
Yeah, still interested.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: iguanaiguana on July 05, 2017, 06:41:07 pm
/in
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: LaLight on July 05, 2017, 06:41:34 pm
still here
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: schadd on July 05, 2017, 09:11:33 pm
still here
join pictures mafia
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: CheesyJelly on July 25, 2017, 05:35:04 pm
/in mostly because the film was EXCELLENT.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on July 25, 2017, 09:07:58 pm
Still in
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: ashersky on July 27, 2017, 04:23:05 pm
I think this needs 2?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: chairs on July 27, 2017, 04:40:13 pm
I think it needs 1!
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open)
Post by: chairs on July 27, 2017, 04:45:02 pm
(I did /in earlier but I"m not listed as a player)
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open - 1 more to start)
Post by: liopoil on July 27, 2017, 06:44:42 pm
This game lasts at most one IRL week? /in
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open - 1 more to start)
Post by: Awaclus on July 27, 2017, 06:46:46 pm
This game lasts at most one IRL week? /in

Pretty much. Could be over in two days, like the previous one was.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open - 1 more to start)
Post by: Awaclus on July 27, 2017, 06:47:15 pm
Two IRL days, that is.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (rerun open - 1 more to start)
Post by: liopoil on July 27, 2017, 06:57:27 pm
Woah, town has won the last 10 blitz games and the last 6 were flawless
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (PMs Out, Game Starts After All Confirmations)
Post by: iguanaiguana on July 27, 2017, 08:22:08 pm
Uh can we post?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (PMs Out, Game Starts After All Confirmations)
Post by: iguanaiguana on July 27, 2017, 08:23:56 pm
I am what they call a vaniller villager.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (PMs Out, Game Starts After All Confirmations)
Post by: ashersky on July 27, 2017, 08:27:58 pm
Read the subject line.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: ashersky on July 28, 2017, 05:56:26 pm
Day 1 starts now and ends in 48 hours.

Liopoil is Kubo.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: iguanaiguana on July 28, 2017, 05:57:44 pm
Hi.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: LaLight on July 28, 2017, 06:08:11 pm
Yesterday I thought the game won't start until at least sunday. Cool that we finally did it! To the news, thank god I'm town this time and I am also VLA for some hours :)
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: CheesyJelly on July 28, 2017, 06:18:14 pm
Hi folks! My first Blitz game! I'm excited about playing.

I now really want to watch the film again. Is the DVD out yet? To Amazon!
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on July 28, 2017, 07:17:27 pm
Hi.
Hello
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: ashersky on July 28, 2017, 08:04:19 pm
Vote Count 1.0:

Not Voting (8): Awaclus, CJ, Jake, igu, LaLight, RR, chairs, liopoil

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at 18:00 on Sunday, July 30.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 29, 2017, 12:00:29 am
Hey! I'm town everyone.

I am what they call a vaniller villager.

should we just ignore this or what?

I am thinking that the beetle should claim. They will still be able to try to block on the first night, and it's kinda unlikely that a block on the second night matters much - we really just need to lynch the moons. And it seemed to be pretty helpful last time. But, I'd like to hear what everyone else wants to do. So, here's what we do:

In your next post, state whether you would like the beetle to claim or not

and we'll go from there. Don't claim beetle/not beetle until everyone has responded please. If you hedge on this you better explain your thoughts at least.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 29, 2017, 12:12:06 am
Oh, here are some other rules. I make the rules.

The beetle should have already PMed ashersky a preliminary target who isn't themselves or me. Please make sure to do that.

Maybe don't vote too quickly. Definitely don't hammer too quickly. However, do please hammer in the next 42 hours. So maybe never mind about the not voting too quickly. If there's time until deadline do wait for other people to post before hammering, otherwise we'll have to assume that you're scum quickhammering. Should just be common sense, but there are a lot of games where that doesn't happen.

Some things to remember (for myself and town): scum have daychat. In case of a tied vote at deadline, there will be a coinflip. That's crazy! In particular it means we still have a longshot chance if we mislynch and mafia shot succeeds to make it 3v3.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 29, 2017, 12:17:33 am
Hmmm, I like having power, even if I don't actually explicitly have any. But I'm thinking... that there isn't much reason for me to vote, since I don't particularly need to hold myself accountable for my positions or anything so that you don't lynch me. So I don't really have any reason to vote. Further, I won't be talking about my personal reads unless I feel like I need to convince other town players. So: if I vote, it will be the hammer vote.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Awaclus on July 29, 2017, 01:48:40 am
Well, if Beetle claims, it's 50/50 when scum counterclaims. It's also 50/50 already. So it's not bad but it's also not great.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: CheesyJelly on July 29, 2017, 04:29:41 am
Well, if Beetle claims, it's 50/50 when scum counterclaims. It's also 50/50 already. So it's not bad but it's also not great.
But it will be a specific 50/50 with two claims. Half of 2 being scum is better info than half of 6 being scum. It also means that scum can't kill Beetle without outing one of their own. I think maybe Beetle should claim?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Awaclus on July 29, 2017, 12:33:58 pm
This is awfully slow for a blitz game. Deadline is tomorrow.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on July 29, 2017, 12:44:45 pm
I don't want beetle to claim.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on July 29, 2017, 12:44:58 pm
This is awfully slow for a blitz game. Deadline is tomorrow.
This is also true.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: CheesyJelly on July 29, 2017, 01:26:55 pm
This is awfully slow for a blitz game. Deadline is tomorrow.
We've only heard from half of us... Not promising.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: LaLight on July 29, 2017, 01:34:21 pm
I think beetle should claim. It is quite profitable but I don't really want to say why
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on July 29, 2017, 01:42:52 pm
I think beetle should claim. It is quite profitable but I don't really want to say why
I think you're beetle
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Awaclus on July 29, 2017, 01:44:36 pm
I think beetle should claim. It is quite profitable but I don't really want to say why
I think you're beetle

I think you need to not say that out loud.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on July 29, 2017, 01:45:59 pm
I think beetle should claim. It is quite profitable but I don't really want to say why
I think you're beetle

I think you need to not say that out loud.
I think it's in town's best interests to put our minds together and share conclusions we draw instead of making this a 1 vs 1 vs 1 vs 1 vs 1 vs 3
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on July 29, 2017, 02:12:05 pm
Well, if Beetle claims, it's 50/50 when scum counterclaims. It's also 50/50 already. So it's not bad but it's also not great.
But it will be a specific 50/50 with two claims. Half of 2 being scum is better info than half of 6 being scum. It also means that scum can't kill Beetle without outing one of their own. I think maybe Beetle should claim?
Agree with this
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: iguanaiguana on July 29, 2017, 04:17:12 pm
I've got like nothing to go off here.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: iguanaiguana on July 29, 2017, 04:18:00 pm
Vote: Cheesyjelly

Pretty random
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: iguanaiguana on July 29, 2017, 04:24:20 pm
So my thing is that I posted when I wasn't supposed to within minutes of receiving my role PM without thinking about it, because for some reason I wasn't thinking about how bad claiming would be.

Obviously scum sees that and can figure out what happened. But maybe if you believe me, then it's not so bad? For PoE?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: CheesyJelly on July 29, 2017, 04:33:06 pm
Vote: Cheesyjelly

Pretty random
That is very random, but I think it's just a weird/bored town move rather than a scummy attempt to mislynch.


My only hope is that everybody wakes up soon enough before the deadline to give us something to go off.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: iguanaiguana on July 29, 2017, 05:04:22 pm
Why would voting for you be a weird move?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 29, 2017, 05:39:31 pm
So my thing is that I posted when I wasn't supposed to within minutes of receiving my role PM without thinking about it, because for some reason I wasn't thinking about how bad claiming would be.

Obviously scum sees that and can figure out what happened. But maybe if you believe me, then it's not so bad? For PoE?
...well ok? What do you think about the beetle claiming?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 29, 2017, 05:43:17 pm
Chairs has not posted yet...

I think beetle should claim. It is quite profitable but I don't really want to say why
I think you're beetle

I think you need to not say that out loud.
I think it's in town's best interests to put our minds together and share conclusions we draw instead of making this a 1 vs 1 vs 1 vs 1 vs 1 vs 3
I don't see why you think lalight is the beetle but I also think you don't need to share that with us right now...
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: iguanaiguana on July 29, 2017, 06:16:29 pm
So my thing is that I posted when I wasn't supposed to within minutes of receiving my role PM without thinking about it, because for some reason I wasn't thinking about how bad claiming would be.

Obviously scum sees that and can figure out what happened. But maybe if you believe me, then it's not so bad? For PoE?
...well ok? What do you think about the beetle claiming?

Seems good.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 29, 2017, 06:39:50 pm
Responses to beetle claiming:

liopoil: yes
Awaclus: not great but ok
CJ: lean yes
Jake: lean yes
igu: seems good
LaLight: YES
RR: no
chairs: ???

OK, beetle should claim now.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: iguanaiguana on July 29, 2017, 07:04:09 pm
What fakeclaim does the moon king dude have to use?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: iguanaiguana on July 29, 2017, 07:04:28 pm
Doesn't he have to say vanilla?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on July 29, 2017, 07:22:47 pm
Doesn't he have to say vanilla?
Not really. They could claim monkey and I wouldn't want to lunch their and take a chance on ending to game.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on July 29, 2017, 07:27:23 pm
Lynch*
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 29, 2017, 07:31:32 pm
...all of the mafia can claim whatever they want, of course. Let's not give them ideas though. I take it neither of you are the beetle?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: CheesyJelly on July 29, 2017, 07:40:55 pm
...all of the mafia can claim whatever they want, of course. Let's not give them ideas though. I take it neither of you are the beetle?
This.  Not sure why iguana is trying to start a public discussion about the best thing for scum to claim.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 29, 2017, 08:25:30 pm
...all of the mafia can claim whatever they want, of course. Let's not give them ideas though. I take it neither of you are the beetle?
This.  Not sure why iguana is trying to start a public discussion about the best thing for scum to claim.
Especially since he has daychat, can just discuss it there.

So, the beetle is among RR, Lalight, Awaclus, and Chairs... would be nice if we could get the claim to happen sooner rather than later so we can speed this up and move towards a lynch
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: iguanaiguana on July 29, 2017, 09:26:00 pm
My day chat is talking in the thread.

Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: chairs on July 29, 2017, 09:56:41 pm
Sorry fam I've been crazy busy today unexpectedly.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: chairs on July 29, 2017, 09:58:29 pm
Ok so we're sold on beetle/not-beetle claiming then? Personally I don't think we should've gone that route, but whatever, it's Blitz.

I am not Beetle.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: chairs on July 29, 2017, 10:00:19 pm
Unrelated note, I wish we could do RSS feeds on forum threads - notifiers are great but I intentionally disconnect from all my email accounts on weekends.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on July 29, 2017, 10:51:36 pm
Well since beetle is claiming, I'll claim not beetle
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 29, 2017, 11:02:31 pm
sooo lalight and awaclus are left...
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: iguanaiguana on July 29, 2017, 11:12:02 pm
I'll go with Awaclus for scum
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: LaLight on July 30, 2017, 03:12:05 am
I'll go with me as Beetle.

Also I always make placeholder orders, so no worries
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: LaLight on July 30, 2017, 03:14:50 am
And yeah, I breadcrumbed it in my first post with my first word. I don't think I should say who I want to roleblock
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Awaclus on July 30, 2017, 03:19:57 am
Vote: LaLight

I'm the Beetle. I also breadcrumbed it in my first post.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Awaclus on July 30, 2017, 03:22:02 am
The team is probably LL/RR/ii.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: LaLight on July 30, 2017, 03:24:27 am
Vote: Awaclus

but I am not sure about the team
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: LaLight on July 30, 2017, 03:27:12 am
I think Awaclus is not the king.. Though WIFOM is involved. Anyway the best course of action is to lynch him as for now
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Awaclus on July 30, 2017, 03:27:29 am
but I am not sure about the team

You are though.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Awaclus on July 30, 2017, 03:27:44 am
I think Awaclus is not the king.. Though WIFOM is involved. Anyway the best course of action is to lynch him as for now

Well, the best course of action for scum.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: CheesyJelly on July 30, 2017, 03:29:18 am
I'm the Beetle. I also breadcrumbed it in my first post.

Well, if Beetle claims, it's 50/50 when scum counterclaims. It's also 50/50 already. So it's not bad but it's also not great.

Help me out here?  I don't see it.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: LaLight on July 30, 2017, 03:30:32 am
I gotta go unfortunately. I will try to catch as much wifi today as I can
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 03:34:01 am
I don't understand either of your breadcrumbs? More tomorrow.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Awaclus on July 30, 2017, 03:36:42 am
Help me out here?  I don't see it.

Beetle is the first relevant word of the post.

It's not a super convincing breadcrumb, admittedly, but then again, neither is LaLight's because he also fakebreadcrumbed in the last Kubo mafia where he was scum too.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: LaLight on July 30, 2017, 03:41:59 am
I don't understand either of your breadcrumbs? More tomorrow.

Yesterday was the first word of my post. All my truobles seemed so far away :)
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Awaclus on July 30, 2017, 03:46:50 am
For reference:

so, here's the story you should believe: before game started I was at the computer and wrote a starting post, which should've been the first post of mine. Then the game started.. But I was on the street with the phone. I decided to wait when I'll be home to post it, but then some crazy stuff started to happen and I needed to respond from the phone.

When I got home I found out that my computer switched off without saving anything. So there's that.

That post started with "Yesterday" and ended with "All you need is Moon King". Beatles.

I am a Beetle.

Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 03:52:30 am
I think beetle should claim. It is quite profitable but I don't really want to say why
want to say more about this now?

Yeah, I read that game before this one started... hmmmm. Lalight claimed first last time too.

It's kinda unfortunate how timezones made you two the last to show up. That's alright though
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: LaLight on July 30, 2017, 03:56:29 am
I think beetle should claim. It is quite profitable but I don't really want to say why
want to say more about this now?

Yeah, I read that game before this one started... hmmmm. Lalight claimed first last time too.

It's kinda unfortunate how timezones made you two the last to show up. That's alright though

What I thought was that if scum would counterclaim we'll out sister and have less people to look for moon king for. If scum wouldn't counterclaim, I would be IC and it's good too, because scum will be distracted from looking for monkey
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 03:56:33 am
Awaclus your first post is in response to me asking for your first post to be about the beetle. Can't get much weaker than that. Both of your breadcrumbs are terrible, but even if they were better they wouldn't matter much.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: CheesyJelly on July 30, 2017, 04:46:14 am
So LaLight actually breadcrumbed but it's the same one he used as scum last time.  Whereas it feels to me like Awaclus did not breadcrumb but is retrospectively claiming that he did.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Awaclus on July 30, 2017, 09:21:11 am
So LaLight actually breadcrumbed but it's the same one he used as scum last time.  Whereas it feels to me like Awaclus did not breadcrumb but is retrospectively claiming that he did.

I did intentionally use Beetle as the first relevant word in that post.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on July 30, 2017, 09:26:08 am
Oh boy, I'm really not sure about this one.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Awaclus on July 30, 2017, 09:34:16 am
What's noteworthy is that, like I said, we improved our chances from 50/50 to 50/50 so not at all, so having me claim was neither good nor bad. What LaLight said about Beetle claiming was nonsense.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: iguanaiguana on July 30, 2017, 10:00:30 am
Liopoil should flip a coin.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Awaclus on July 30, 2017, 10:05:09 am
Liopoil should flip a coin.

Because you know that if his reads are accurate, it's bad for your alignment.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: iguanaiguana on July 30, 2017, 10:08:57 am
Nah if I was scum on D1 I would bank on his reads being inaccurate and try to push him to decide.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Awaclus on July 30, 2017, 10:16:38 am
Nah if I was scum on D1 I would bank on his reads being inaccurate and try to push him to decide.

Well, that would make sense too, but apparently that's not what you're doing as scum on D1.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: iguanaiguana on July 30, 2017, 10:26:26 am
Dude,  I am a town. Whatever scumslip you think you detected is wrong.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Awaclus on July 30, 2017, 10:32:41 am
Dude,  I am a town. Whatever scumslip you think you detected is wrong.

Well, what scumslip did I detect and how was it wrong?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: iguanaiguana on July 30, 2017, 10:34:48 am
I don't know because you never show your reads.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 11:24:10 am
Oh boy, I'm really not sure about this one.
Me neither.

So LaLight actually breadcrumbed but it's the same one he used as scum last time.  Whereas it feels to me like Awaclus did not breadcrumb but is retrospectively claiming that he did.
Yeah :(

What's noteworthy is that, like I said, we improved our chances from 50/50 to 50/50 so not at all, so having me claim was neither good nor bad. What LaLight said about Beetle claiming was nonsense.
Nah, I don't think it was nonsense. I think he's right.

Liopoil should flip a coin.
No.

Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 11:30:51 am
So, I'd say there's significantly more than a 2/3rds chance that neither of you are the moon king. Further, if we don't lynch either of you, then if the mafia kill the beetle tonight then we know that the other is mafia, and the monkey will still be alive. If we lynch one of them, then either:

- we lynch correctly, and it's the moon king and we win. Extremely unlikely, especially since all the mafia will vote for the beetle. Less than 1/6 chance of this even if I flip a coin

- we lynch correctly and it's a sister. Then the beetle dies tonight probably. This is good, but is one of the worst correct lynches possible (only this worse is if the monkey had to claim)

- we lynch the beetle. Then the nightkill is guaranteed to go through and it's 3-3. Now we do know the other is mafia, but they're probably a sister and we'd have to win a coinflip or even two coinflips to win the game, in addition to finding another mafia. A very bad mislynch

So I think we should lynch from {cheesyjelly, iguana, RR, chairs, Jake} today.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 11:32:30 am
2/5 odds slightly worse, but any townies in that group have a 50-50 shot. If we mislynch it's slightly better than lynching the beetle because the beetle has a slim chance to block the kill. And I think our chances of hitting the moon king are a bit higher.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 11:34:10 am
Day ends in 6 and a half hours. Let's start voting
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 11:35:22 am
I think beetle should claim. It is quite profitable but I don't really want to say why
I think you're beetle
Do you still think this?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on July 30, 2017, 11:43:49 am
I think beetle should claim. It is quite profitable but I don't really want to say why
I think you're beetle
Do you still think this?
I mispoke. What I should've said is 'I think you're going to claim Beetle.'
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Awaclus on July 30, 2017, 12:10:02 pm
So, I'd say there's significantly more than a 2/3rds chance that neither of you are the moon king. Further, if we don't lynch either of you, then if the mafia kill the beetle tonight then we know that the other is mafia, and the monkey will still be alive. If we lynch one of them, then either:

- we lynch correctly, and it's the moon king and we win. Extremely unlikely, especially since all the mafia will vote for the beetle. Less than 1/6 chance of this even if I flip a coin

- we lynch correctly and it's a sister. Then the beetle dies tonight probably. This is good, but is one of the worst correct lynches possible (only this worse is if the monkey had to claim)

- we lynch the beetle. Then the nightkill is guaranteed to go through and it's 3-3. Now we do know the other is mafia, but they're probably a sister and we'd have to win a coinflip or even two coinflips to win the game, in addition to finding another mafia. A very bad mislynch

So I think we should lynch from {cheesyjelly, iguana, RR, chairs, Jake} today.

The point about the NK is actually good. I think the point about Moon King is still nonsense though because 1) Scum is making it so it could actually be LL himself, 2) lynching scum at all is more important than lynching MK.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: chairs on July 30, 2017, 12:33:43 pm
So, I'd say there's significantly more than a 2/3rds chance that neither of you are the moon king. Further, if we don't lynch either of you, then if the mafia kill the beetle tonight then we know that the other is mafia, and the monkey will still be alive. If we lynch one of them, then either:

- we lynch correctly, and it's the moon king and we win. Extremely unlikely, especially since all the mafia will vote for the beetle. Less than 1/6 chance of this even if I flip a coin

- we lynch correctly and it's a sister. Then the beetle dies tonight probably. This is good, but is one of the worst correct lynches possible (only this worse is if the monkey had to claim)

- we lynch the beetle. Then the nightkill is guaranteed to go through and it's 3-3. Now we do know the other is mafia, but they're probably a sister and we'd have to win a coinflip or even two coinflips to win the game, in addition to finding another mafia. A very bad mislynch

So I think we should lynch from {cheesyjelly, iguana, RR, chairs, Jake} today.

I like this plan a lot - it's likely the case that we get to lynch the fake-beetle tomorrow without having to 'waste' a D1 lynch.

vote: cheesyjelly
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: LaLight on July 30, 2017, 01:09:51 pm
I think Awaclus may as well be the Moon King, it's all a WIFOM game. We should lynch him today, that will be significally better than trying to make a rush lynch without much possible content to analyze
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on July 30, 2017, 01:19:59 pm
So, I'd say there's significantly more than a 2/3rds chance that neither of you are the moon king. Further, if we don't lynch either of you, then if the mafia kill the beetle tonight then we know that the other is mafia, and the monkey will still be alive. If we lynch one of them, then either:

- we lynch correctly, and it's the moon king and we win. Extremely unlikely, especially since all the mafia will vote for the beetle. Less than 1/6 chance of this even if I flip a coin

- we lynch correctly and it's a sister. Then the beetle dies tonight probably. This is good, but is one of the worst correct lynches possible (only this worse is if the monkey had to claim)

- we lynch the beetle. Then the nightkill is guaranteed to go through and it's 3-3. Now we do know the other is mafia, but they're probably a sister and we'd have to win a coinflip or even two coinflips to win the game, in addition to finding another mafia. A very bad mislynch

So I think we should lynch from {cheesyjelly, iguana, RR, chairs, Jake} today.
Im just gonna say this about the first part, Blitz games are all about chance and risk (or at least this one is). Everyone knew going into this beetle claim that we were gonna get two beetle claims but we were most likely not going to lynch their. It would be risky but mafia could hide their moon King their knowing that we probably wouldn't lynch their. It would be risky but that's what blitz games are about. So overall I'm just saying that we shouldn't discount LL or Awaclus to not be the moon King.

PPE 1:  SERIOUSLY LL
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on July 30, 2017, 01:23:19 pm
So, I'd say there's significantly more than a 2/3rds chance that neither of you are the moon king. Further, if we don't lynch either of you, then if the mafia kill the beetle tonight then we know that the other is mafia, and the monkey will still be alive. If we lynch one of them, then either:

- we lynch correctly, and it's the moon king and we win. Extremely unlikely, especially since all the mafia will vote for the beetle. Less than 1/6 chance of this even if I flip a coin

- we lynch correctly and it's a sister. Then the beetle dies tonight probably. This is good, but is one of the worst correct lynches possible (only this worse is if the monkey had to claim)

- we lynch the beetle. Then the nightkill is guaranteed to go through and it's 3-3. Now we do know the other is mafia, but they're probably a sister and we'd have to win a coinflip or even two coinflips to win the game, in addition to finding another mafia. A very bad mislynch

So I think we should lynch from {cheesyjelly, iguana, RR, chairs, Jake} today.

I like this plan a lot - it's likely the case that we get to lynch the fake-beetle tomorrow without having to 'waste' a D1 lynch.

vote: cheesyjelly
Why? (The vote)
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Awaclus on July 30, 2017, 01:26:26 pm
I think Awaclus may as well be the Moon King, it's all a WIFOM game. We should lynch him today, that will be significally better than trying to make a rush lynch without much possible content to analyze

Actually there's no way I can be the MK and you know it.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: LaLight on July 30, 2017, 01:28:01 pm
I think Awaclus may as well be the Moon King, it's all a WIFOM game. We should lynch him today, that will be significally better than trying to make a rush lynch without much possible content to analyze

Actually there's no way I can be the MK and you know it.

I am not your partner, so I don't know.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: CheesyJelly on July 30, 2017, 01:41:16 pm
Has everybody gone mad? Two unjustified votes for me now. Very silly.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: iguanaiguana on July 30, 2017, 02:31:28 pm
So actually Lalight is the scummy one. My random vote is fine with me though if we aren't doing Lalight.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: chairs on July 30, 2017, 02:40:35 pm
So, I'd say there's significantly more than a 2/3rds chance that neither of you are the moon king. Further, if we don't lynch either of you, then if the mafia kill the beetle tonight then we know that the other is mafia, and the monkey will still be alive. If we lynch one of them, then either:

- we lynch correctly, and it's the moon king and we win. Extremely unlikely, especially since all the mafia will vote for the beetle. Less than 1/6 chance of this even if I flip a coin

- we lynch correctly and it's a sister. Then the beetle dies tonight probably. This is good, but is one of the worst correct lynches possible (only this worse is if the monkey had to claim)

- we lynch the beetle. Then the nightkill is guaranteed to go through and it's 3-3. Now we do know the other is mafia, but they're probably a sister and we'd have to win a coinflip or even two coinflips to win the game, in addition to finding another mafia. A very bad mislynch

So I think we should lynch from {cheesyjelly, iguana, RR, chairs, Jake} today.

I like this plan a lot - it's likely the case that we get to lynch the fake-beetle tomorrow without having to 'waste' a D1 lynch.

vote: cheesyjelly
Why? (The vote)

I flipped a couple coins.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: CheesyJelly on July 30, 2017, 02:48:29 pm
You should redo your coin flipping.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 02:54:36 pm
I think Awaclus may as well be the Moon King, it's all a WIFOM game. We should lynch him today, that will be significally better than trying to make a rush lynch without much possible content to analyze
You seem far more likely to be the moon king than awaclus does.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 02:59:39 pm
So we have three hours to deadline and the thing is that scum has three votes. So we need townies around to lynch somebody. Two are on cheesyjelly right now and nobody else, and seems kinda reasonable that scum will push that lynch through if he's town. And chairs and iguana are suspicious for not having a reason.

I think I'd rather not lynch jake today, if that helps...
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on July 30, 2017, 03:06:57 pm
So we have three hours to deadline and the thing is that scum has three votes. So we need townies around to lynch somebody. Two are on cheesyjelly right now and nobody else, and seems kinda reasonable that scum will push that lynch through if he's town. And chairs and iguana are suspicious for not having a reason.

I think I'd rather not lynch jake today, if that helps...
I'm here but I don't really want to lynch anyone based off of "coin flipping."
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 03:12:36 pm
So we have three hours to deadline and the thing is that scum has three votes. So we need townies around to lynch somebody. Two are on cheesyjelly right now and nobody else, and seems kinda reasonable that scum will push that lynch through if he's town. And chairs and iguana are suspicious for not having a reason.

I think I'd rather not lynch jake today, if that helps...
I'm here but I don't really want to lynch anyone based off of "coin flipping."
Yeah. So, who do you prefer out of {RR, ii, chairs} (or I suppose cheesyjelly)? There's enough to at least get some idea...
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: ashersky on July 30, 2017, 03:14:15 pm
Vote Count 1.1:

CJ (2): igu, chairs
LaLight (1): Awaclus
Awaclus (1): LaLight

Not Voting (4): CJ, Jake, RR, liopoil

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at 18:00 on Sunday, July 30.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: LaLight on July 30, 2017, 03:27:08 pm
I won't be here to deadline. From what I read I'd vote: RR
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on July 30, 2017, 03:35:50 pm
So we have three hours to deadline and the thing is that scum has three votes. So we need townies around to lynch somebody. Two are on cheesyjelly right now and nobody else, and seems kinda reasonable that scum will push that lynch through if he's town. And chairs and iguana are suspicious for not having a reason.

I think I'd rather not lynch jake today, if that helps...
I'm here but I don't really want to lynch anyone based off of "coin flipping."
Yeah. So, who do you prefer out of {RR, ii, chairs} (or I suppose cheesyjelly)? There's enough to at least get some idea...
Probably iguana or chairs but I don't much care between the three. Who are you leaning towards?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on July 30, 2017, 03:36:37 pm
I won't be here to deadline. From what I read I'd vote: RR
Instead of Awaclus? Nice
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: CheesyJelly on July 30, 2017, 03:40:10 pm
Out of the pool suggested by wise and mighty Kubo:
Iguana: misguided town
RR: townie, been making sense
Chairs: seems scummy, I'll flip a coin...


...I got tails.


Vote: chairs
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: iguanaiguana on July 30, 2017, 03:41:19 pm
I mean, my only scumread is Lalight and we aren't doing that.

I guess chairs could be scummy for landing on the same random target I did? Unless you know he actually did...

I would vote Jake sure but then everyone thinks I'm scum for cheeping the IC.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: iguanaiguana on July 30, 2017, 03:42:05 pm
Vote: chairs
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 03:48:01 pm
Out of the pool suggested by wise and mighty Kubo:
Iguana: misguided town
RR: townie, been making sense
Chairs: seems scummy, I'll flip a coin...


...I got tails.


Vote: chairs
Why did you need to flip a coin when you said only one was scummy?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Awaclus on July 30, 2017, 04:00:17 pm
I am not your partner, so I don't know.

The first statement is true, but the second statement is a non sequitur. Also not true.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on July 30, 2017, 04:09:34 pm
We going with chairs then?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 04:19:59 pm
I won't be here to deadline. From what I read I'd vote: RR
Instead of Awaclus? Nice
Lalight realizes Awaclus isn't getting lynched today. Now's your chance to deflect. Who do you want lynched?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: CheesyJelly on July 30, 2017, 04:20:44 pm
Out of the pool suggested by wise and mighty Kubo:
Iguana: misguided town
RR: townie, been making sense
Chairs: seems scummy, I'll flip a coin...


...I got tails.


Vote: chairs
Why did you need to flip a coin when you said only one was scummy?
I'm just joking around. Chairs voted for me due to a coin flip apparently.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 04:20:53 pm
I am not your partner, so I don't know.

The first statement is true, but the second statement is a non sequitur. Also not true.
Alright, we get it already - you two "know" each other are mafia. Any thoughts? You think the partners are iguana and RR?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 05:06:26 pm
Under an hour to go - who's here?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on July 30, 2017, 05:09:39 pm
Under an hour to go - who's here?
I'm here but I'm still very unsure.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 05:31:30 pm
Under an hour to go - who's here?
I'm here but I'm still very unsure.
Seems like all you care about is self-preservation
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 05:33:21 pm
Under an hour to go - who's here?
I'm here but I'm still very unsure.
Seems like all you care about is self-preservation
What do you think about a CJ lynch?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 05:34:43 pm
vote count:

CJ: chairs
Lalight: Awaclus
RR: Lalight
chairs: CJ, iguana

not voting: jake, liopoil, RR
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 05:36:25 pm
RR and jake you better be voting by the deadline
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 05:36:34 pm
RR and jake you better be voting by the deadline
(I certainly will be)
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on July 30, 2017, 05:39:38 pm
I will
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 05:42:41 pm
I will
I'm kinda between CJ and RR right now. I'd rather not lynch chairs really. Do you have any preference? It looks like I might end up deciding...
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 05:43:20 pm
I'm also not a fan of how scum [e.g., you and RR] might just sway the vote away from themselves at deadline
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on July 30, 2017, 05:46:35 pm
I will
I'm kinda between CJ and RR right now. I'd rather not lynch chairs really. Do you have any preference? It looks like I might end up deciding...
Leaning RR
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 05:48:47 pm
People viewing the thread: Jake, me, ashersky, somebody else.... hello?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 05:49:18 pm
Let's lynch Roadrunner
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on July 30, 2017, 05:51:43 pm
Let's lynch Roadrunner
ok Vote: RR
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 05:52:51 pm
I'll vote with a minute to go or so.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on July 30, 2017, 05:54:29 pm
I'll vote with a minute to go or so.
That's still just 3 votes.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 05:54:48 pm
I'll vote with a minute to go or so.
That's still just 3 votes.
Yeah, but plurality lynch
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 05:55:27 pm
Strange how roadrunner disappeared. He could have saved himself... but inactive for the past half hour
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on July 30, 2017, 05:55:53 pm
I'll vote with a minute to go or so.
That's still just 3 votes.
Yeah, but plurality lynch
I keep forgetting about that
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 05:56:04 pm
There are still two people viewing the thread besides me and you...
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 05:57:40 pm
Vote: Roadrunner7671
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 05:58:09 pm
This is bizarre
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on July 30, 2017, 05:58:55 pm
This is bizarre
yep
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on July 30, 2017, 05:59:22 pm
This is bizarre
yep
This is sad. It's a blitz game and were at 8 pages.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 05:59:30 pm
Calling Awaclus-CJ-RR scumteam now, but meh.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 06:01:02 pm
welp, that's it. Seeya later, maybe something interesting will have happened...
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on July 30, 2017, 06:02:52 pm
I'm town
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on July 30, 2017, 06:03:00 pm
Am I dead?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on July 30, 2017, 06:03:16 pm
I'm town
What a defense
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on July 30, 2017, 06:03:24 pm
Am I dead?
Not yet
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on July 30, 2017, 06:03:37 pm
I'm town
What a defense
What have I done that's scummy?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on July 30, 2017, 06:03:55 pm
Vote: CJ
Self preservation is no fun
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: CheesyJelly on July 30, 2017, 06:31:17 pm
Vote: CJ
Self preservation is no fun
Vote: RR

Agreed, it sucks.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 06:35:02 pm
Vote: CJ
Self preservation is no fun
You're dead.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 06:35:28 pm
Why did both of you show up AFTER the deadline?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 06:36:20 pm
Day 1 ends at 18:00 on Sunday, July 30.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: CheesyJelly on July 30, 2017, 06:37:33 pm
Why did both of you show up AFTER the deadline?
I was driving.  Missed the deadline.  Wanted to make sure RR couldn't hammer me after the deadline.  If his counts, mine counts too.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 06:38:58 pm
Why did both of you show up AFTER the deadline?
I was driving.  Missed the deadline.  Wanted to make sure RR couldn't hammer me after the deadline.  If his counts, mine counts too.
Alright. You're lucky we didn't quicklynch you instead.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: CheesyJelly on July 30, 2017, 06:41:24 pm
Why did both of you show up AFTER the deadline?
I was driving.  Missed the deadline.  Wanted to make sure RR couldn't hammer me after the deadline.  If his counts, mine counts too.
Alright. You're lucky we didn't quicklynch you instead.
You'd have been left red-faced.  I gave my reads and my vote well before the deadline and was ignored.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on July 30, 2017, 08:01:56 pm
Vote: CJ
Self preservation is no fun
You're dead.
If I'm dead then y'all are dead too
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: chairs on July 30, 2017, 08:10:17 pm
So who did we lynch?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 09:09:15 pm
Vote: CJ
Self preservation is no fun
You're dead.
If I'm dead then y'all are dead too
... can't tell if monkey or moon king
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: iguanaiguana on July 30, 2017, 09:47:34 pm
I had to work :/
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: ashersky on July 30, 2017, 11:01:02 pm
Day 1 Final Vote Count:

CJ (1): chairs
LaLight (1): Awaclus
RR (3): LaLight, Jake, liopoil
chairs (2): CJ, igu

Not Voting (1): RR

Sorry, unexpectedly out of Internet range.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: ashersky on July 30, 2017, 11:02:24 pm
RR was lynched.  He was a vanilla villager!

Igu died in the night.  He was a vanilla villager!

Day 2 begins now.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: ashersky on July 30, 2017, 11:04:04 pm
Vote Count 2.0:

Not Voting (6): CJ, chairs, LaLight, Awaclus, Jake, liopoil

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.  Day 2 ends on August 1 at 23:00.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on July 30, 2017, 11:08:56 pm
Darn darn darn. Well, I think we can at least figure out everything now and have it come down to a coinflip maybe.

CJ, chairs, Jake: Are you the monkey? Just answer and don't say anything else... shh I know

Lalight, Awaclus: Who did you target? Just answer and don't say anything else... shh I know
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: chairs on July 31, 2017, 02:28:47 am
I am the monkey.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: Awaclus on July 31, 2017, 03:08:23 am
I targeted iguana.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: Awaclus on July 31, 2017, 03:15:04 am
So scum is objectively going to be outed, but we only have a random chance of lynching.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: LaLight on July 31, 2017, 03:15:47 am
I targeted chairs
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: LaLight on July 31, 2017, 03:17:39 am
If I get it right we now will have 3 vs 3 in the end of the day and the game will be decided by coin flip? Unless scum will be able to quickhammer. Sucks
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: Awaclus on July 31, 2017, 04:22:23 am
Unless scum will be able to quickhammer. Sucks

Won't be the case because no townie will vote for another after chairs is counterclaimed and the remaining scum is outed (or if he isn't counterclaimed and the remaining two scum are both outed).
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on July 31, 2017, 07:48:10 am
I am the monkey.
No your not. I am.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: Awaclus on July 31, 2017, 08:05:42 am
So, CJ is guaranteed to be scum and also almost guaranteed to not be the Moon King.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: CheesyJelly on July 31, 2017, 09:16:11 am
So, CJ is guaranteed to be scum and also almost guaranteed to not be the Moon King.
Why, because I have been busy with work until now?

I'm actually Monkey, and I spent most of Day 1 trying to hint/breadcrumb that so that Beetle wouldn't block me, but without being obvious enough to get myself killed.  I'll provide the evidence in a second.

I think chairs is the Moon King - getting in with the first claim is probably the safest place to hide.

Vote: chairs
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: Awaclus on July 31, 2017, 09:18:21 am
Right, this could also happen.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: CheesyJelly on July 31, 2017, 09:21:09 am
Hi folks! My first Blitz game! I'm excited about playing.

I now really want to watch the film again. Is the DVD out yet? To Amazon!

Has everybody gone mad? Two unjustified votes for me now. Very silly.
Lynching me would have been very silly indeed.

Out of the pool suggested by wise and mighty Kubo:
Iguana: misguided town
RR: townie, been making sense
Chairs: seems scummy, I'll flip a coin...


...I got tails.

Why did you need to flip a coin when you said only one was scummy?
I'm just joking around. Chairs voted for me due to a coin flip apparently.
You know, like "monkeying around".  I said they were meant to be vague.

Alright. You're lucky we didn't quicklynch you instead.
You'd have been left red-faced.  I gave my reads and my vote well before the deadline and was ignored.
Like a baboon.  I'm almost embarrassed about these in retrospect.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: chairs on July 31, 2017, 09:43:12 am
Uh...
huh.

I can't say I did any breadcrumb shenanigans.

I'm really surprised, I was expecting a single counterclaim.

vote: JaketheBaseballGod22
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: chairs on July 31, 2017, 09:43:45 am
If we vote jake and then vote CJ, we win, right? Since both moon sisters is a surrender, or the moon king is a surrender.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: Awaclus on July 31, 2017, 09:51:36 am
If we vote jake and then vote CJ, we win, right? Since both moon sisters is a surrender, or the moon king is a surrender.

If you're town, yes. But unfortunately we don't know that.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: ashersky on July 31, 2017, 10:13:15 am
Vote Count 2.1:

chairs (1): CJ
Jake (1): chairs

Not Voting (6): LaLight, Awaclus, Jake, liopoil

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.  Day 2 ends on August 1 at 23:00.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: CheesyJelly on July 31, 2017, 10:24:03 am
Uh...
huh.

I can't say I did any breadcrumb shenanigans.

I'm really surprised, I was expecting a single counterclaim.

vote: JaketheBaseballGod22

Okay, cool.  Chairs is definitely the Moon King.  There's no way scum would risk a quick lynch of the Moon King.  Clever vote though: we kill a Sister, Beetle is killed in the night, then I get lynched because Chairs looks like town.  Scum win 2 vs 1.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on July 31, 2017, 10:40:15 am
LL or Awaclus is most likely moon King.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: Awaclus on July 31, 2017, 10:41:04 am
Clever vote though: we kill a Sister, Beetle is killed in the night, then I get lynched because Chairs looks like town.  Scum win 2 vs 1. LaLight is outed and town can hopefully lynch him.

FTFY
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: CheesyJelly on July 31, 2017, 10:47:52 am
Clever vote though: we kill a Sister, Beetle is killed in the night, then I get lynched because Chairs looks like town.  Scum win 2 vs 1. LaLight is outed and town can hopefully lynch him.

FTFY

Alright, we get it already - you two "know" each other are mafia.

In that situation we've got two 1 vs 1s.  In one of them, we have zero information about which is scum.  In the other, one person got town points for lynching scum.  There's no way LaLight gets lynched instead of me in that scenario.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: chairs on July 31, 2017, 10:58:26 am
If we lynch out of {CJ, Jake} today, we nail one of the scum... I think we win after that, basically guaranteed, since either they kill Beetle or they kill me, basically, and either one results in a win.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: Awaclus on July 31, 2017, 11:52:10 am
Clever vote though: we kill a Sister, Beetle is killed in the night, then I get lynched because Chairs looks like town.  Scum win 2 vs 1. LaLight is outed and town can hopefully lynch him.

FTFY

Alright, we get it already - you two "know" each other are mafia.

In that situation we've got two 1 vs 1s.  In one of them, we have zero information about which is scum.  In the other, one person got town points for lynching scum.  There's no way LaLight gets lynched instead of me in that scenario.

If I'm killed in the night, then you'll know LaLight is scum for sure.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: Awaclus on July 31, 2017, 11:52:34 am
If we lynch out of {CJ, Jake} today, we nail one of the scum... I think we win after that, basically guaranteed, since either they kill Beetle or they kill me, basically, and either one results in a win.

It's not guaranteed because you can't guarantee us you're town.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: CheesyJelly on July 31, 2017, 01:22:28 pm
It's almost like we're going to have to use reads and intuition rather than any piece of logic that starts "Because I'm town..."
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on July 31, 2017, 01:27:57 pm
Alright, I was 93-97% sure all three of you would claim monkey, but it was worth a shot anyway...

It is, however, pretty clear to me who the monkey is. It's less clear to me who the beetle and moon king are.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on July 31, 2017, 01:30:17 pm
So scum is objectively going to be outed, but we only have a random chance of lynching.
See, this is what I'm wondering. Will scum out themselves, bus a sister, or wait and try to quickhammer if a townie gets it wrong?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on July 31, 2017, 01:39:10 pm
If lalight or awaclus is the moon king then they chose wisely because they're much safer there... but I still doubt it.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: chairs on July 31, 2017, 03:03:38 pm
So I guess it boils down to this: We should lynch one of the claimed Monkeys (in my opinion anyway).

Obviously I'm telling you not to lynch me, but ultimately you've got to make the call as to who we lynch.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on July 31, 2017, 03:22:53 pm
If lalight or awaclus is the moon king then they chose wisely because they're much safer there... but I still doubt it.
They are. That's the smart play. That's what I've been saying since yesterday.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: Awaclus on July 31, 2017, 03:28:01 pm
It is, however, pretty clear to me who the monkey is.

Well, if you're confident in that read, you can just tell us who to lynch and then we lynch him. You could be wrong which would suck, or scum can out themselves and have a 50-50 chance to get the mislynch through, or scum can hide themselves by bussing. I think that's better than me and the Monkey trying to argue against the three scum.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: LaLight on July 31, 2017, 03:29:42 pm
Yes. I would still lynch Awaclus over anyone else because I know for sire he is scum. Out of 3 monkeys... i rbed chairs which makes him less likely to be scum, i don't think Awa would shoot this night. I guess, vote: CJ
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: chairs on July 31, 2017, 03:30:24 pm
It is, however, pretty clear to me who the monkey is.

Well, if you're confident in that read, you can just tell us who to lynch and then we lynch him. You could be wrong which would suck, or scum can out themselves and have a 50-50 chance to get the mislynch through, or scum can hide themselves by bussing. I think that's better than me and the Monkey trying to argue against the three scum.

This gives me kind of a town read on Awaclus - not that we need to pick between Awaclus and Lalight since we can just win by lynching Monkey counterclaims.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: Awaclus on July 31, 2017, 03:30:34 pm
And yeah, I definitely think LaLight is the most likely moon king, and not just because he's confirmed scum to me but because he has been advocating for lynching basically anyone but himself the entire game.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: Awaclus on July 31, 2017, 03:33:57 pm
Oh yeah, and any breadcrumbing is worthless here because LaLight is scum so he could have told everyone to breadcrumb like that.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on July 31, 2017, 04:33:43 pm
Yes. I would still lynch Awaclus over anyone else because I know for sire he is scum. Out of 3 monkeys... i rbed chairs which makes him less likely to be scum, i don't think Awa would shoot this night. I guess, vote: CJ
Uh please unvote
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: LaLight on July 31, 2017, 04:42:27 pm
Okay, unvote
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on July 31, 2017, 04:50:53 pm
Here's an idea:

Chairs, vote for Jake in your next post

OR, if CJ sees this first:

CJ, vote for chairs in your next post
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: ashersky on July 31, 2017, 05:08:05 pm
Vote Count 2.2:

chairs (1): CJ
Jake (1): chairs

Not Voting (4): Awaclus, Jake, liopoil, LaLight

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.  Day 2 ends on August 1 at 23:00.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: CheesyJelly on July 31, 2017, 05:14:08 pm
Here's an idea:

Chairs, vote for Jake in your next post

OR, if CJ sees this first:

CJ, vote for chairs in your next post
We're already doing those things?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on July 31, 2017, 06:04:23 pm
Oh snap I got way confused and misspoke. Will say the right thing in a bit..
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on July 31, 2017, 06:08:27 pm
Here's an idea:

Chairs, vote for Jake in your next post

OR, if CJ sees this first:

CJ, vote for chairs in your next post
I feel left out
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: chairs on July 31, 2017, 06:29:43 pm
Here's an idea:

Chairs, vote for Jake in your next post

OR, if CJ sees this first:

CJ, vote for chairs in your next post
We're already doing those things?

...there's kind of an irony here...
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on July 31, 2017, 07:29:37 pm
Ok. So, the point is, chairs, jake, and CJ all "know" that the other two are mafia. But two of them are actually mafia, and don't want to vote for each other. So let's make it happen.

I read the votecount backwards, and thought jake was voting for chairs and chairs voting for CJ. But nope.

Jake, vote for chairs

OR, if CJ sees this first,

CJ, vote for Jake
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on July 31, 2017, 07:31:21 pm
If would also be nice if exactly one of Awaclus and LaLight were online at the same time as me...
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on July 31, 2017, 07:35:01 pm
Note: I'm hoping to have you all re-arrange your votes a lot of times, including repeating combinations we've already done, if possible. So, yeah
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on July 31, 2017, 08:33:41 pm
Vote:chairs
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: chairs on July 31, 2017, 08:37:31 pm
Not sure I understand the point of that but okay.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on July 31, 2017, 08:43:29 pm
Vote:chairs
nice try buddy, gotta include the space!
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on July 31, 2017, 08:44:10 pm
Are Lalight or awaclus around? Post when you get here...
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on July 31, 2017, 08:46:23 pm
Not sure I understand the point of that but okay.
Look, scum's squirming already!
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: chairs on August 01, 2017, 12:12:34 am
Not sure I understand the point of that but okay.
Look, scum's squirming already!

I mean, are they? We haven't heard from CJ and all we've heard from Jake so far is a vote that wasn't properly formatted.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 12:51:21 am
Not sure I understand the point of that but okay.
Look, scum's squirming already!

I mean, are they? We haven't heard from CJ and all we've heard from Jake so far is a vote that wasn't properly formatted.
Yeah, and Jake's gone silent afterwards... pretty suspicious
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: Awaclus on August 01, 2017, 02:28:09 am
Are Lalight or awaclus around? Post when you get here...

when you get here...

That's what you wanted me to post, right?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: LaLight on August 01, 2017, 04:05:37 am
Here, yeah
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: CheesyJelly on August 01, 2017, 04:41:42 am
I was asleep, sorry.  Vote: Jake

I'll play along, but time is crucial and we really need to be deciding who we think is most likely to be the Moon King.  I think it is chairs.  I don't really see anybody else taking a stab at that.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: Awaclus on August 01, 2017, 05:07:14 am
I was asleep, sorry.  Vote: Jake

I'll play along, but time is crucial and we really need to be deciding who we think is most likely to be the Moon King.  I think it is chairs.  I don't really see anybody else taking a stab at that.

But it needs to be liopoil alone making that decision, otherwise we have 3 scum against 3 town doing it and that gets us nowhere.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 10:33:16 am
Deadline is 11pm forum time. I'll be there. If enough other people are there it'll be okay. Otherwise yeah we should get lynching.

Are Lalight or awaclus around? Post when you get here...

when you get here...

That's what you wanted me to post, right?
yes.

I want an explanation from Jake.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 10:34:54 am
Vote:chairs
nice try buddy, gotta include the space!
He was active two hours after I posted this. I have to think that this is intentional...
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 10:36:59 am
Awaclus, vote for Jake, and I'll hammer.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 10:38:07 am
Awaclus, vote for Jake, and I'll hammer.
Or Lalight
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: Awaclus on August 01, 2017, 11:02:33 am
Vote: Jake
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: CheesyJelly on August 01, 2017, 11:06:58 am
unvote
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: CheesyJelly on August 01, 2017, 11:08:56 am
Are we sure that scum can't win if we only lynch a Sister today?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: Awaclus on August 01, 2017, 11:13:56 am
Are we sure that scum can't win if we only lynch a Sister today?

We don't care what you're sure of. Liopoil makes the decisions here.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 11:15:26 am
unvote
Woah there.

Are we sure that scum can't win if we only lynch a Sister today?
If we lynch a sister, then the beetle has at least a 1/3 chance of blocking the shot, and then if the kill succeeds we have pretty much a 50-50 shot.

I know you think chairs is the moon king...
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 11:15:46 am
Yeah, re-vote for Jake right now.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: CheesyJelly on August 01, 2017, 11:16:45 am
Awaclus, why did you choose Jake and not LaLight?

If you're town, you should have chosen LaLight.  It's the only person you "know" to be scum.
If you're scum, you don't want LaLight to be lynched today because that means you'll be lynched tomorrow.

Awaclus is Moon King.  I can't see another reason for him to vote for a supposedly uncertain option.

Vote: Awaclus
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 11:18:36 am
Awaclus, why did you choose Jake and not LaLight?

If you're town, you should have chosen LaLight.  It's the only person you "know" to be scum.
If you're scum, you don't want LaLight to be lynched today because that means you'll be lynched tomorrow.

Awaclus is Moon King.  I can't see another reason for him to vote for a supposedly uncertain option.

Vote: Awaclus
What are you talking about? This seems to be gibberish. Vote for Jake right now.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: chairs on August 01, 2017, 11:19:26 am
Well then.

Liopoil, I think we can pretty comfortably say Jake's the moon king.

Am I okay to go ahead and vote (if I'm not already)?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 11:20:12 am
Well then.

Liopoil, I think we can pretty comfortably say Jake's the moon king.

Am I okay to go ahead and vote (if I'm not already)?
You are already.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 11:21:06 am
I see you lurking, Lalight
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: CheesyJelly on August 01, 2017, 11:21:25 am
Awaclus, why did you choose Jake and not LaLight?

If you're town, you should have chosen LaLight.  It's the only person you "know" to be scum.
If you're scum, you don't want LaLight to be lynched today because that means you'll be lynched tomorrow.

Awaclus is Moon King.  I can't see another reason for him to vote for a supposedly uncertain option.

Vote: Awaclus
What are you talking about? This seems to be gibberish. Vote for Jake right now.

I'm not happy throwing away a perfectly good lead just for a 50:50 chance of winning.

Seriously, you gave Awaclus a choice between lynching LaLight and Jake.  Town!Awaclus votes for LaLight, because he's CERTAIN that LaLight is scum.  MoonKing!Awaclus knows that if LaLight is lynched, he gets lynched tomorrow.  He can't let that happen.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: chairs on August 01, 2017, 11:21:37 am
Ah, well then that makes it hard to add a vote for you there  :-\
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: LaLight on August 01, 2017, 11:22:13 am
I see you lurking, Lalight

well, I am at bad wifi in some caffee trying to understand what is going on
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 11:22:47 am
Awaclus, why did you choose Jake and not LaLight?

If you're town, you should have chosen LaLight.  It's the only person you "know" to be scum.
If you're scum, you don't want LaLight to be lynched today because that means you'll be lynched tomorrow.

Awaclus is Moon King.  I can't see another reason for him to vote for a supposedly uncertain option.

Vote: Awaclus
What are you talking about? This seems to be gibberish. Vote for Jake right now.

I'm not happy throwing away a perfectly good lead just for a 50:50 chance of winning.

Seriously, you gave Awaclus a choice between lynching LaLight and Jake.  Town!Awaclus votes for LaLight, because he's CERTAIN that LaLight is scum.  MoonKing!Awaclus knows that if LaLight is lynched, he gets lynched tomorrow.  He can't let that happen.
NO, I said that Awaclus needs to vote for Jake. Alternatively, LaLight can vote for Jake. We are not lynching Lalight
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 11:23:21 am
I'm not happy throwing away a perfectly good lead just for a 50:50 chance of winning.
Are you claiming scum?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 11:23:42 am
I see you lurking, Lalight

well, I am at bad wifi in some caffee trying to understand what is going on
Vote for Jake right now
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: LaLight on August 01, 2017, 11:24:23 am
I see you lurking, Lalight

well, I am at bad wifi in some caffee trying to understand what is going on
Vote for Jake right now

I don't think this is a perfectly good idea, to be sincere.

vote: Liopoil
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 11:25:41 am
Alright. Scum team is Lalight, CJ, Jake. I had thought that CJ was the moon king before (was pretty sure Chairs was monkey from the start of the day), but I guess now it seems more likely to be Jake.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: CheesyJelly on August 01, 2017, 11:25:53 am
"Awaclus, vote for Jake... Or LaLight".

I now see what you mean, but I think Awaclus would have read it as I did (he'll deny that now, of course).  I really think Awaclus is the Moon King, and I don't want to settle for a 50:50 chance of winning when we have better info.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 11:26:16 am
Vote:chairs
this is just bizarre
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 11:27:11 am
"Awaclus, vote for Jake... Or LaLight".

I now see what you mean, but I think Awaclus would have read it as I did (he'll deny that now, of course).  I really think Awaclus is the Moon King, and I don't want to settle for a 50:50 chance of winning when we have better info.
If you're town this is absolutely ridiculous, not even mentioning Lalight's latest post claiming scum.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 11:28:19 am
unvote
Darn I had 4 minutes to win it.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: CheesyJelly on August 01, 2017, 11:28:35 am
Oh man, I hadn't even seen LaLight's post.

Unvote for a minute
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 11:30:03 am
I was asleep, sorry.  Vote: Jake

I'll play along, but time is crucial and we really need to be deciding who we think is most likely to be the Moon King.  I think it is chairs. I don't really see anybody else taking a stab at that.
lol

Oh man, I hadn't even seen LaLight's post.

Unvote for a minute
just give up pretending to be town...
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 11:31:59 am
Strange how Lalight voted for CJ earlier though. That had made me think that it was Awaclus-CJ-Jake
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: CheesyJelly on August 01, 2017, 11:33:00 am
I was asleep, sorry.  Vote: Jake

I'll play along, but time is crucial and we really need to be deciding who we think is most likely to be the Moon King.  I think it is chairs. I don't really see anybody else taking a stab at that.
lol

Oh man, I hadn't even seen LaLight's post.

Unvote for a minute
just give up pretending to be town...

I did think it was chairs!  Then I honestly thought Awaclus had been given a choice between LaLight and Jake and made a scummy play.  But with LaLight outed, I'm back to thinking it's chairs.  Why else would Jake deliberately botch the vote like that?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: CheesyJelly on August 01, 2017, 11:33:49 am
Strange how Lalight voted for CJ earlier though. That had made me think that it was Awaclus-CJ-Jake

Look at all the votes, tell me why it isn't chairs-Jake-LaLight with chairs as Moon King?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 11:34:33 am
Strange how Lalight voted for CJ earlier though. That had made me think that it was Awaclus-CJ-Jake

Look at all the votes, tell me why it isn't chairs-Jake-LaLight with chairs as Moon King?
Mostly because you're refusing to vote for Jake.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 11:35:48 am
Jake's even playing like the moon king, what with pushing the idea that awaclus/lalight are the moon king
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: CheesyJelly on August 01, 2017, 11:37:28 am
If we lynch a sister, then the beetle has at least a 1/3 chance of blocking the shot, and then if the kill succeeds we have pretty much a 50-50 shot.

I don't want it to be down to a 50-50 shot!  I want us to kill the Moon King.  I very happily put my vote on Jake, but I think it's hasty to hammer with 12 hours to find the Moon King and win the game today.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: chairs on August 01, 2017, 11:43:42 am
If you think I'm scum with Jake, you can safely vote for Jake, because it doesn't matter if we get the Moon King today or tomorrow (or even just get both sisters is fine).

Getting rid of one of the {chairs/cj/jake} trio helps town, assuming we don't lynch the Monkey (which is me, but for the moment I'm trying to argue this from the POV of a third party).
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 11:43:59 am
If we lynch a sister, then the beetle has at least a 1/3 chance of blocking the shot, and then if the kill succeeds we have pretty much a 50-50 shot.

I don't want it to be down to a 50-50 shot!  I want us to kill the Moon King.  I very happily put my vote on Jake, but I think it's hasty to hammer with 12 hours to find the Moon King and win the game today.
You should trust that I know what I'm doing - especially because while town!you could have reason to believe it's more likely to be chairs, it's just reads based on the same stuff I'm looking at.

How about this:

If we lynch a sister, then we have at least a 50-50 chance of winning.
We literally CANNOT lynch the moon king today by force, because scum will not vote for them. So we have at most a 50-50 chance of winning today by coinflip.

So lynching a sister is actually better than moon king - hunting. If chairs is the moon king as you claim, it's worth it to take advantage of the fact that he's voting for Jake right now, since we can't lynch chairs without the votes of Jake or Lalight, neither of which will do that.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 11:45:22 am
I'm leaving for a few hours, hopefully when I come back CJ will have claimed mafia and we can move on.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on August 01, 2017, 11:50:13 am
Vote:chairs
nice try buddy, gotta include the space!
He was active two hours after I posted this. I have to think that this is intentional...
Not really.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on August 01, 2017, 11:51:11 am
Vote:chairs
nice try buddy, gotta include the space!
He was active two hours after I posted this. I have to think that this is intentional...
Not really.
Wait how can you see that I was active because I wasn't on again.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on August 01, 2017, 11:57:22 am
Vote:chairs
nice try buddy, gotta include the space!
Vote: Chairs
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on August 01, 2017, 11:59:33 am
Well then.

Liopoil, I think we can pretty comfortably say Jake's the moon king.

Am I okay to go ahead and vote (if I'm not already)?
Or LL is like I've been saying all game.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on August 01, 2017, 11:59:59 am
Awaclus, why did you choose Jake and not LaLight?

If you're town, you should have chosen LaLight.  It's the only person you "know" to be scum.
If you're scum, you don't want LaLight to be lynched today because that means you'll be lynched tomorrow.

Awaclus is Moon King.  I can't see another reason for him to vote for a supposedly uncertain option.

Vote: Awaclus
What are you talking about? This seems to be gibberish. Vote for Jake right now.

I'm not happy throwing away a perfectly good lead just for a 50:50 chance of winning.

Seriously, you gave Awaclus a choice between lynching LaLight and Jake.  Town!Awaclus votes for LaLight, because he's CERTAIN that LaLight is scum.  MoonKing!Awaclus knows that if LaLight is lynched, he gets lynched tomorrow.  He can't let that happen.
NO, I said that Awaclus needs to vote for Jake. Alternatively, LaLight can vote for Jake. We are not lynching Lalight
Whyyyyy????
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on August 01, 2017, 12:03:45 pm
Jake's even playing like the moon king, what with pushing the idea that awaclus/lalight are the moon king
Ive been saying that all game because it's the smart play!!!
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: Awaclus on August 01, 2017, 12:05:17 pm
LaLight just confirmed himself as scum, so it's super wifommy but the default assumption to make here is that he isn't the moon king.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: chairs on August 01, 2017, 12:46:33 pm
I think we can safely call it as:

Jake = Moon King
CJ = Sister
LaLight = Sister

I guess I can't be 100%, but if I had to place it -right now- that's where I think I'd find Moon King.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: Awaclus on August 01, 2017, 12:48:17 pm
Also, I'm an IC now, which is nice.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: chairs on August 01, 2017, 12:49:52 pm
Also, I'm an IC now, which is nice.

I mean, -technically- you're not, but you're like, quasi-IC.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: chairs on August 01, 2017, 12:52:24 pm
I realized a thing.

I don't want to talk about the thing right now, but somebody remind me to talk about it post game. It's not something pro-Town to mention right now but it made me giggle.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 01:00:12 pm
Also, I'm an IC now, which is nice.

I mean, -technically- you're not, but you're like, quasi-IC.
You are both ICs in my mind. Vote: Jake
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 01:01:20 pm
Vote:chairs
nice try buddy, gotta include the space!
Vote: Chairs
I wonder if it was actually unintentional or you were trying to trick me into thinking chairs was the moon king?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 01:01:39 pm
Vote:chairs
nice try buddy, gotta include the space!
Vote: Chairs
I wonder if it was actually unintentional or you were trying to trick me into thinking chairs was the moon king?
But like, you were happy to lynch chairs yesterday so that was never going to work...
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 01:04:37 pm
I'm leaving for a few hours, hopefully when I come back CJ will have claimed mafia and we can move on.
This was a lie. For some reason I thought CJ might try to vote for Jake and unvote before I came back? Nah.

Awaclus, vote for Jake, and I'll hammer.
This was a bluff. I was not going to hammer, I just wanted to see if Awaclus would do it and if CJ would let it happen. At the time I thought CJ was the moon king. Seriously, Jake is the moon king both games and lalight fakeclaims beetle both games?

Now it's just a coin flip :/
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 01:06:13 pm
Vote:chairs
nice try buddy, gotta include the space!
He was active two hours after I posted this. I have to think that this is intentional...
Not really.
Wait how can you see that I was active because I wasn't on again.
On your profile it says when you were last active
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: Awaclus on August 01, 2017, 01:08:32 pm
This was a lie.
--
This was a bluff.

You have my seal of approval.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: Awaclus on August 01, 2017, 01:09:51 pm
Seriously, Jake is the moon king both games and lalight fakeclaims beetle both games?

Funny coincidence.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on August 01, 2017, 01:27:42 pm
Vote:chairs
nice try buddy, gotta include the space!
Vote: Chairs
I wonder if it was actually unintentional or you were trying to trick me into thinking chairs was the moon king?
Totally unintentional
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on August 01, 2017, 01:29:21 pm
Vote: Liopoli Now the fun begins
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day One)
Post by: ashersky on August 01, 2017, 01:42:23 pm
Vote Count 2.2:

Jake (3): chairs, Awaclus, liopoil
Kubo (2): LaLight, Jake

Not Voting (1): CJ

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.  Day 2 ends on August 1 at 23:00.

I am boarding a flight in a few hours, so won't be around for deadline, btw.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: Awaclus on August 01, 2017, 01:48:07 pm
So it'll come down to a literal 50/50. gg, it was a fun game regardless of who wins.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: ashersky on August 01, 2017, 01:58:33 pm
The very new mod gkrieg13 is aware and able to end the day when required at deadline.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on August 01, 2017, 02:40:47 pm
So it'll come down to a literal 50/50. gg, it was a fun game regardless of who wins.
Yep
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 02:47:27 pm
The very new mod gkrieg13 is aware and able to end the day when required at deadline.
"very new" nice.

Vote: Liopoli Now the fun begins
Hmm that's not me

Yeah, gg. Should have lynched CJ yesterday I guess...
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: chairs on August 01, 2017, 03:01:45 pm
Welp.

This is the thing I was giggling about actually, was that in the end it's a coin flip as to who the lynch happens on.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 03:07:41 pm
Welp.

This is the thing I was giggling about actually, was that in the end it's a coin flip as to who the lynch happens on.
Yep. That's how it's been the whole day. We needed mafia to bus, they refused, and they needed us to vote for each other (or at least a sister), and luckily we didn't do that.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: chairs on August 01, 2017, 03:13:22 pm
Welp.

This is the thing I was giggling about actually, was that in the end it's a coin flip as to who the lynch happens on.
Yep. That's how it's been the whole day. We needed mafia to bus, they refused, and they needed us to vote for each other (or at least a sister), and luckily we didn't do that.

I mean, lynching a sister here is still a chance for a Town win, as long as you're comfortable with the Mafia votes. As soon as any scum vote hit on scum we should've dogpiled as Town for the quicklynch; ah well.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: chairs on August 01, 2017, 03:13:37 pm
However the flip goes, btw, was a fun game fam.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 03:15:35 pm
Yeah, hypothetically we could have lynched CJ when Lalight voted for him, and then hoped awaclus blocks the shot so that we could win tomorrow without a coinflip. Or hypothetically I could have been around and decided to hammer Jake in the four minutes where that was possible. Or, much more realistically, I could have just decided to lynch CJ yesterday... but it is what it is.

Town's flawless win streak (6) in blitz games is over... and depending on how the flip goes the normal win streak (10) could be over too.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on August 01, 2017, 03:57:40 pm
The very new mod gkrieg13 is aware and able to end the day when required at deadline.
"very new" nice.

Vote: Liopoli Now the fun begins
Hmm that's not me

Yeah, gg. Should have lynched CJ yesterday I guess...
I'm a terrible voter Vote: Liopoil
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on August 01, 2017, 03:59:04 pm
Yeah, hypothetically we could have lynched CJ when Lalight voted for him, and then hoped awaclus blocks the shot so that we could win tomorrow without a coinflip. Or hypothetically I could have been around and decided to hammer Jake in the four minutes where that was possible. Or, much more realistically, I could have just decided to lynch CJ yesterday... but it is what it is.

Town's flawless win streak (6) in blitz games is over... and depending on how the flip goes the normal win streak (10) could be over too.
Couldn't break it last game. Hopefully this game it goes down.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: chairs on August 01, 2017, 04:00:24 pm
By the way, Jake, have you ever read "Off Speed"? Seems like something you might enjoy.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: CheesyJelly on August 01, 2017, 06:20:47 pm
I'm back.  I was out this evening.  Sorry to spoil your fun, liopoil.  Kudos on the hammer bluff.  I knew it was probably a bluff, but wasn't willing to risk getting my King lynched.

Well done everybody for finding the Moon King!  Let's see what the coin flip gods decide should happen now.

Vote: Liopoil
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on August 01, 2017, 07:25:23 pm
By the way, Jake, have you ever read "Off Speed"? Seems like something you might enjoy.
No I haven't. Thanks for the recmendation. I'll look into it.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 07:34:29 pm
I'm back.  I was out this evening.  Sorry to spoil your fun, liopoil.  Kudos on the hammer bluff.  I knew it was probably a bluff, but wasn't willing to risk getting my King lynched.

Well done everybody for finding the Moon King!  Let's see what the coin flip gods decide should happen now.

Vote: Liopoil

All good. The scummiest thing you did (before hammer nonsense) was your breadcrumbs really. chairs saying "Uh I didn't breadcrumb... didn't expect any counterclaims at all" was enough to convince me.

If the coin flip goes wrong will I be the first IC to be lynched in f.ds mafia history? Oh no
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on August 01, 2017, 07:39:45 pm
I'm back.  I was out this evening.  Sorry to spoil your fun, liopoil.  Kudos on the hammer bluff.  I knew it was probably a bluff, but wasn't willing to risk getting my King lynched.

Well done everybody for finding the Moon King!  Let's see what the coin flip gods decide should happen now.

Vote: Liopoil

All good. The scummiest thing you did (before hammer nonsense) was your breadcrumbs really. chairs saying "Uh I didn't breadcrumb... didn't expect any counterclaims at all" was enough to convince me.

If the coin flip goes wrong will I be the first IC to be lynched in f.ds mafia history? Oh no
That would be funny. Also uh I call tails
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 01, 2017, 07:44:31 pm
I plan on ending this early if everyone is fine with it...
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on August 01, 2017, 07:46:44 pm
I plan on ending this early if everyone is fine with it...
Yep can we get Vote Count first to make sure it's 3v3.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 01, 2017, 07:49:39 pm
I plan on ending this early if everyone is fine with it...
Yep can we get Vote Count first to make sure it's 3v3.

It is.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 01, 2017, 07:56:56 pm
Ok, I will roll 1d2 using the forum software.  1, town wins.  2, scum wins.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 01, 2017, 07:57:19 pm
Rolled 1d2 : 2, total 2
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 01, 2017, 07:59:14 pm
Kubo has been lynched!

The Moon King (Jake) and the Moon Sisters (CheesyJelly and LaLight) win!

Thread unlocked
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 01, 2017, 07:59:40 pm
Unfortunately, I can't post any QTs or anything...
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: schadd on August 01, 2017, 07:59:58 pm
I'm back.  I was out this evening.  Sorry to spoil your fun, liopoil.  Kudos on the hammer bluff.  I knew it was probably a bluff, but wasn't willing to risk getting my King lynched.

Well done everybody for finding the Moon King!  Let's see what the coin flip gods decide should happen now.

Vote: Liopoil

this made me so confident jake wasn't moon king
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 08:16:24 pm
OK, good game! Anyone want to post the mafia QT?
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: schadd on August 01, 2017, 08:57:27 pm
idea: one of the town PRs (monkey?) gains a tiebreaker ability


like "each night u can target someone who will be lynched at eod the next day in the event of a tie" and else scum just wins it
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: Deadlock39 on August 01, 2017, 08:57:53 pm
 You guys killed Kubo. You're monsters!
 :'(
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: schadd on August 01, 2017, 08:59:34 pm
You guys killed Kubo. You're monsters!
 :'(
granted i am not familiar with this work but i would assume they are in fact monsters, yes
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 01, 2017, 09:25:12 pm
idea: one of the town PRs (monkey?) gains a tiebreaker ability


like "each night u can target someone who will be lynched at eod the next day in the event of a tie" and else scum just wins it

Ya. Making Kubo lynchproof would be one idea. Part of the setup is coming to a 3v3, and making the coin flip one way or another.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: liopoil on August 01, 2017, 09:33:59 pm
idea: one of the town PRs (monkey?) gains a tiebreaker ability


like "each night u can target someone who will be lynched at eod the next day in the event of a tie" and else scum just wins it

Ya. Making Kubo lynchproof would be one idea. Part of the setup is coming to a 3v3, and making the coin flip one way or another.
They didn't need to lynch me, they could have lynched any townie and guaranteed the win
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on August 01, 2017, 11:00:49 pm
idea: one of the town PRs (monkey?) gains a tiebreaker ability


like "each night u can target someone who will be lynched at eod the next day in the event of a tie" and else scum just wins it

Ya. Making Kubo lynchproof would be one idea. Part of the setup is coming to a 3v3, and making the coin flip one way or another.
They didn't need to lynch me, they could have lynched any townie and guaranteed the win
But I wanted to lynch you.
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: JaketheBaseballGod22 on August 01, 2017, 11:01:07 pm
You guys killed Kubo. You're monsters!
 :'(
Yes we are
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: ashersky on August 02, 2017, 03:55:59 am
Mafia: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/gt5gdLUAsXeUQ
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Day Two)
Post by: CheesyJelly on August 02, 2017, 04:06:17 am
I'm back.  I was out this evening.  Sorry to spoil your fun, liopoil.  Kudos on the hammer bluff.  I knew it was probably a bluff, but wasn't willing to risk getting my King lynched.

Well done everybody for finding the Moon King!  Let's see what the coin flip gods decide should happen now.

Vote: Liopoil

this made me so confident jake wasn't moon king
Yeah, that was the plan!  Was a last Hail Mary in case the coin toss didn't go our way.  We got lucky and didn't need it though.  Good game, folks!
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Game Over!)
Post by: ashersky on August 02, 2017, 07:39:26 am
I wanted to say that while the 3v3 was considered and built-in, I hadn't really foreseen the full claim hope for a 50% win thing.

I want to thank the scum team for trying to win it normally before going for the coin flip; good job by town to force that.

I'll leave it to the group to vote for an MVP.  liopoil did well, but did lose (and become the first ever IC to be lynched).
Title: Re: ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings (Game Over!)
Post by: chairs on August 02, 2017, 08:39:58 am
My vote is for liopoil, personally.