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Miscellaneous => Forum Games => Mafia Game Threads => Topic started by: ashersky on March 15, 2017, 12:14:13 pm
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Welcome to ZM24: Kubo and Two More Strings BLITZ Mafia by ashersky.
This game will use an Original, Open, Blitz setup designed by ashersky. It is based on RMM39 and ZM17* setups.
There is no co-mod.
Sign ups are open.
1. Awaclus
2. CJ
3. Jake
4. igu
5. LaLight
6. RR
7. Chairs
8. liopoil
Game State Tracker:
Day 1...
The Rules with changes in RED because RED goes faster:
The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.
The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay. If you are not sure about your paraphrase, ask the mod first.
4. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
5. All night actions must be submitted within 24 hours of day ending.
6. Players must post once every 24 24 hours.
7. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
8. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
9. Cryptography is not allowed.
10. The time between a lynch being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the lynched player.
11. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except their Role QT. A lynched player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided. Lynched mafia may still post in the Mafia QT.
12. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.
The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may not vote: no lynch.
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone.
6. Lynch rules vary by the number of players alive. With 10 or more players alive, the player with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched. Ties are broken by coin flip. With nine or less players alive, if a majority lynch is not reached by the deadline, no lynch occurs.
The Rest:
1. Bold, maroon text is reserved for the Mod. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via PM or in your Role QT. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. One prod will be issued after 36 hours without posting in the game thread. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod. No prods will be issued. Players who do not post for 24 hours will be modkilled.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod, up to modkill.
Deadlines:
1. Days will last 48 IRL hours.
2. Nights will last no longer than ten IRL minutes.
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The Setup and Mechanics:
The following 8 roles will be randomly assigned:
Kubo, the Innocent Child
Monkey, Kubo's Protector
Beetle, Kubo's Defender
Vanilla Villager
Vanilla Villager
The Moon King
Moon Sister
Moon Sister
--Green roles are town-aligned, and may be known collectively as Villagers. Red roles are mafia-aligned, and may be known collected as mafia.
--This game has instant nights. All night action targets must be selected before the day ends. The most recently received target when a hammer vote is cast is selected.
--Kubo is announced at the game start.
--Monkey always targets Kubo at night and protects him from the nightkill.
--Beetle may choose a target each day. That target cannot perform actions that night.
--The Mafia Nightkill is compulsive. If a target is not selected, it will default to Kubo. If a killer is not selected, it will default to the Moon King.
--Mafia have daychat. Dead mafia can continue to chat in the mafia QT.
This game uses two white flags:
1) If the Moon King is lynched, town wins immediately.
2) If both Moon Sisters are lynched, town wins immediately.
The mafia win condition is: "You win when Kubo is dead, or when the mafia outnumber the villagers."
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/tag
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Change the number if the game in the op :)
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/in
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/tagain
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/in
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Note one large rule change: no lynch is not an option. Highest vote holder is lynched. In the case of a tie, coin flip.
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I'll /in but if someone who didn't play ZM23 wants to play they can take my spot
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/in let's give this a spin.
Has to start soon, though. Next week, I'm much busier.
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/tag but y'all aren't baiting me in to playing.
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/tag
The first one was intense.
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/tag
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blitz with robz and faust sounds really fun but i am pretty sure that i generally suck farts as scum in a blitz game.
eh, whatever
/in, sorry in advance partners
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6. Players must post once every 24 24 hours.
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blitz with robz and faust sounds really fun but i am pretty sure that i generally suck farts as scum in a blitz game.
Just be town then!
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/tag maybe in later
That was more fun than I thought, I never felt pressed for time.
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I kind of wish every D1 was that long honestly
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The fact that 3v3 is not auto-win for scum anymore will probably change D1 quite a bit. No more quickhammer discussion.
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Also the massclaiming strategy is a lot worse if town can't nolynch. Still could be worth doing though.
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egh, /out
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Also the massclaiming strategy is a lot worse if town can't nolynch. Still could be worth doing though.
I actually didn't follow the discussion last game as closely as I should, I didn't have the time. Why was it better to no-lynch?
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Also the massclaiming strategy is a lot worse if town can't nolynch. Still could be worth doing though.
I actually didn't follow the discussion last game as closely as I should, I didn't have the time. Why was it better to no-lynch?
Well, first of all, scum really should have claimed both PRs. The fact that we knew that WW was the Monkey made it obvious who the scum were (even more so than I predicted at the time when I concluded that scum would surely claim both PRs), so you should have never allowed for that to become the case.
Given that scum claims both PRs, if you nightkill the real Monkey after nolynch, it will out the remaining claimed Monkey as scum, which is super useful for town for getting more info and stuff. There's a bit of WIFOM involved, but it might not be too difficult to lynch the Moon King with the info town gets from the confirmed scum, and then there's still the chance of the real Beetle being able to prevent NKs, and combined, those odds are actually pretty decent (~47% win rate mathematically, but should be easier with reads). On the other hand, if you nightkill a VT to conceal the identity of the scum team, that's great for town, too.
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Since scum claimed two VTs, there was obviously no point in nolynching.
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I am confused by you saying that scum should claim both PRs, when you recognize that means that if scums NKs a PR, they out one of their own. It's not at all clear that is the right way to go. Also, as last game showed, it was not at all obvious who was the scum.
EDIT: in fact, from a purely information-based approach, fakeclaiming one or two PRs both have just as many combinations available (2*(4*3/2) and 2*2*3 respectively), while fakeclaiming only one PR helps hiding the Moon King.
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4 more needed, starts when full.
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ok, I'm /in if no one wants to take my place.
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I am confused by you saying that scum should claim both PRs, when you recognize that means that if scums NKs a PR, they out one of their own. It's not at all clear that is the right way to go. Also, as last game showed, it was not at all obvious who was the scum.
It was though. I was definitely treating everyone except the actual scum team as an IC ever since WW softclaimed, and when he claimed for real, it was over.
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I am confused by you saying that scum should claim both PRs, when you recognize that means that if scums NKs a PR, they out one of their own. It's not at all clear that is the right way to go. Also, as last game showed, it was not at all obvious who was the scum.
It was though. I was definitely treating everyone except the actual scum team as an IC ever since WW softclaimed, and when he claimed for real, it was over.
Just because it was obvious to you doesn't mean it was obvious to everyone, which is my point. WW claiming earlier wouldn't have changed anything, everybody was considering him a pseudo-IC anyway.
I don't think we will agree about this, so I am gracefully bowing out of this discussion.
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I had thought pacovf was going to claim the other monkey because I put in the QT early on that I was gonna claim Vt. When he claimed vt I was really suprised and then got more confused when there was 5 claimed vts last game. Yeah I think that was the start of the downfall of the scum.
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The fact that 3v3 is not auto-win for scum anymore will probably change D1 quite a bit. No more quickhammer discussion.
How is 3v3 no longer a scum win? Did something change in the rules for this one compared to the last one?
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I had thought pacovf was going to claim the other monkey because I put in the QT early on that I was gonna claim Vt. When he claimed vt I was really suprised and then got more confused when there was 5 claimed vts last game. Yeah I think that was the start of the downfall of the scum.
I never said I was going to claim anything at all. Awaclus was the one saying scum was going to fakeclaim both PRs, which well I obviously disagree with. The way the rules were stated last game, Monkey was barely better than a named VT; people were valuing it way too highly.
Besides, we were far from lost after the massclaim. You need to learn to keep your cool under pressure, then eventually the pressure goes away if you know what you are doing.
The fact that 3v3 is not auto-win for scum anymore will probably change D1 quite a bit. No more quickhammer discussion.
How is 3v3 no longer a scum win? Did something change in the rules for this one compared to the last one?
Now lynches are mandatory, which means that 3v3 goes from automatic scum victory to ~66% chance of scum victory (good, but not great).
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Now lynches are mandatory, which means that 3v3 goes from automatic scum victory to ~66% chance of scum victory (good, but not great).
Aha! Thanks :-)
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Can I be /in now that other people have had a chance to join? Reading other games just isn't as interesting as playing :-P
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/out. Unfortunately, I don't have time for this. I don't know what was wrong with me, thinking that I did.
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/out
I won't have the time to participate in this for a while.
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/in
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Anyone else wanna do this??
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/in
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This is still open. At this point, please restate your interest.
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yes
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your interest
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your interest
Wait you're not even signed up
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yeah i don't like blitz games
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Yeah, still interested.
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/in
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still here
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still here
join pictures mafia
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/in mostly because the film was EXCELLENT.
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Still in
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I think this needs 2?
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I think it needs 1!
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(I did /in earlier but I"m not listed as a player)
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This game lasts at most one IRL week? /in
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This game lasts at most one IRL week? /in
Pretty much. Could be over in two days, like the previous one was.
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Two IRL days, that is.
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Woah, town has won the last 10 blitz games and the last 6 were flawless
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Uh can we post?
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I am what they call a vaniller villager.
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Read the subject line.
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Day 1 starts now and ends in 48 hours.
Liopoil is Kubo.
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Hi.
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Yesterday I thought the game won't start until at least sunday. Cool that we finally did it! To the news, thank god I'm town this time and I am also VLA for some hours :)
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Hi folks! My first Blitz game! I'm excited about playing.
I now really want to watch the film again. Is the DVD out yet? To Amazon!
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Hi.
Hello
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Vote Count 1.0:
Not Voting (8): Awaclus, CJ, Jake, igu, LaLight, RR, chairs, liopoil
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 18:00 on Sunday, July 30.
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Hey! I'm town everyone.
I am what they call a vaniller villager.
should we just ignore this or what?
I am thinking that the beetle should claim. They will still be able to try to block on the first night, and it's kinda unlikely that a block on the second night matters much - we really just need to lynch the moons. And it seemed to be pretty helpful last time. But, I'd like to hear what everyone else wants to do. So, here's what we do:
In your next post, state whether you would like the beetle to claim or not
and we'll go from there. Don't claim beetle/not beetle until everyone has responded please. If you hedge on this you better explain your thoughts at least.
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Oh, here are some other rules. I make the rules.
The beetle should have already PMed ashersky a preliminary target who isn't themselves or me. Please make sure to do that.
Maybe don't vote too quickly. Definitely don't hammer too quickly. However, do please hammer in the next 42 hours. So maybe never mind about the not voting too quickly. If there's time until deadline do wait for other people to post before hammering, otherwise we'll have to assume that you're scum quickhammering. Should just be common sense, but there are a lot of games where that doesn't happen.
Some things to remember (for myself and town): scum have daychat. In case of a tied vote at deadline, there will be a coinflip. That's crazy! In particular it means we still have a longshot chance if we mislynch and mafia shot succeeds to make it 3v3.
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Hmmm, I like having power, even if I don't actually explicitly have any. But I'm thinking... that there isn't much reason for me to vote, since I don't particularly need to hold myself accountable for my positions or anything so that you don't lynch me. So I don't really have any reason to vote. Further, I won't be talking about my personal reads unless I feel like I need to convince other town players. So: if I vote, it will be the hammer vote.
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Well, if Beetle claims, it's 50/50 when scum counterclaims. It's also 50/50 already. So it's not bad but it's also not great.
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Well, if Beetle claims, it's 50/50 when scum counterclaims. It's also 50/50 already. So it's not bad but it's also not great.
But it will be a specific 50/50 with two claims. Half of 2 being scum is better info than half of 6 being scum. It also means that scum can't kill Beetle without outing one of their own. I think maybe Beetle should claim?
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This is awfully slow for a blitz game. Deadline is tomorrow.
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I don't want beetle to claim.
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This is awfully slow for a blitz game. Deadline is tomorrow.
This is also true.
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This is awfully slow for a blitz game. Deadline is tomorrow.
We've only heard from half of us... Not promising.
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I think beetle should claim. It is quite profitable but I don't really want to say why
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I think beetle should claim. It is quite profitable but I don't really want to say why
I think you're beetle
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I think beetle should claim. It is quite profitable but I don't really want to say why
I think you're beetle
I think you need to not say that out loud.
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I think beetle should claim. It is quite profitable but I don't really want to say why
I think you're beetle
I think you need to not say that out loud.
I think it's in town's best interests to put our minds together and share conclusions we draw instead of making this a 1 vs 1 vs 1 vs 1 vs 1 vs 3
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Well, if Beetle claims, it's 50/50 when scum counterclaims. It's also 50/50 already. So it's not bad but it's also not great.
But it will be a specific 50/50 with two claims. Half of 2 being scum is better info than half of 6 being scum. It also means that scum can't kill Beetle without outing one of their own. I think maybe Beetle should claim?
Agree with this
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I've got like nothing to go off here.
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Vote: Cheesyjelly
Pretty random
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So my thing is that I posted when I wasn't supposed to within minutes of receiving my role PM without thinking about it, because for some reason I wasn't thinking about how bad claiming would be.
Obviously scum sees that and can figure out what happened. But maybe if you believe me, then it's not so bad? For PoE?
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Vote: Cheesyjelly
Pretty random
That is very random, but I think it's just a weird/bored town move rather than a scummy attempt to mislynch.
My only hope is that everybody wakes up soon enough before the deadline to give us something to go off.
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Why would voting for you be a weird move?
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So my thing is that I posted when I wasn't supposed to within minutes of receiving my role PM without thinking about it, because for some reason I wasn't thinking about how bad claiming would be.
Obviously scum sees that and can figure out what happened. But maybe if you believe me, then it's not so bad? For PoE?
...well ok? What do you think about the beetle claiming?
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Chairs has not posted yet...
I think beetle should claim. It is quite profitable but I don't really want to say why
I think you're beetle
I think you need to not say that out loud.
I think it's in town's best interests to put our minds together and share conclusions we draw instead of making this a 1 vs 1 vs 1 vs 1 vs 1 vs 3
I don't see why you think lalight is the beetle but I also think you don't need to share that with us right now...
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So my thing is that I posted when I wasn't supposed to within minutes of receiving my role PM without thinking about it, because for some reason I wasn't thinking about how bad claiming would be.
Obviously scum sees that and can figure out what happened. But maybe if you believe me, then it's not so bad? For PoE?
...well ok? What do you think about the beetle claiming?
Seems good.
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Responses to beetle claiming:
liopoil: yes
Awaclus: not great but ok
CJ: lean yes
Jake: lean yes
igu: seems good
LaLight: YES
RR: no
chairs: ???
OK, beetle should claim now.
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What fakeclaim does the moon king dude have to use?
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Doesn't he have to say vanilla?
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Doesn't he have to say vanilla?
Not really. They could claim monkey and I wouldn't want to lunch their and take a chance on ending to game.
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Lynch*
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...all of the mafia can claim whatever they want, of course. Let's not give them ideas though. I take it neither of you are the beetle?
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...all of the mafia can claim whatever they want, of course. Let's not give them ideas though. I take it neither of you are the beetle?
This. Not sure why iguana is trying to start a public discussion about the best thing for scum to claim.
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...all of the mafia can claim whatever they want, of course. Let's not give them ideas though. I take it neither of you are the beetle?
This. Not sure why iguana is trying to start a public discussion about the best thing for scum to claim.
Especially since he has daychat, can just discuss it there.
So, the beetle is among RR, Lalight, Awaclus, and Chairs... would be nice if we could get the claim to happen sooner rather than later so we can speed this up and move towards a lynch
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My day chat is talking in the thread.
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Sorry fam I've been crazy busy today unexpectedly.
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Ok so we're sold on beetle/not-beetle claiming then? Personally I don't think we should've gone that route, but whatever, it's Blitz.
I am not Beetle.
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Unrelated note, I wish we could do RSS feeds on forum threads - notifiers are great but I intentionally disconnect from all my email accounts on weekends.
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Well since beetle is claiming, I'll claim not beetle
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sooo lalight and awaclus are left...
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I'll go with Awaclus for scum
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I'll go with me as Beetle.
Also I always make placeholder orders, so no worries
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And yeah, I breadcrumbed it in my first post with my first word. I don't think I should say who I want to roleblock
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Vote: LaLight
I'm the Beetle. I also breadcrumbed it in my first post.
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The team is probably LL/RR/ii.
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Vote: Awaclus
but I am not sure about the team
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I think Awaclus is not the king.. Though WIFOM is involved. Anyway the best course of action is to lynch him as for now
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but I am not sure about the team
You are though.
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I think Awaclus is not the king.. Though WIFOM is involved. Anyway the best course of action is to lynch him as for now
Well, the best course of action for scum.
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I'm the Beetle. I also breadcrumbed it in my first post.
Well, if Beetle claims, it's 50/50 when scum counterclaims. It's also 50/50 already. So it's not bad but it's also not great.
Help me out here? I don't see it.
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I gotta go unfortunately. I will try to catch as much wifi today as I can
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I don't understand either of your breadcrumbs? More tomorrow.
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Help me out here? I don't see it.
Beetle is the first relevant word of the post.
It's not a super convincing breadcrumb, admittedly, but then again, neither is LaLight's because he also fakebreadcrumbed in the last Kubo mafia where he was scum too.
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I don't understand either of your breadcrumbs? More tomorrow.
Yesterday was the first word of my post. All my truobles seemed so far away :)
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For reference:
so, here's the story you should believe: before game started I was at the computer and wrote a starting post, which should've been the first post of mine. Then the game started.. But I was on the street with the phone. I decided to wait when I'll be home to post it, but then some crazy stuff started to happen and I needed to respond from the phone.
When I got home I found out that my computer switched off without saving anything. So there's that.
That post started with "Yesterday" and ended with "All you need is Moon King". Beatles.
I am a Beetle.
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I think beetle should claim. It is quite profitable but I don't really want to say why
want to say more about this now?
Yeah, I read that game before this one started... hmmmm. Lalight claimed first last time too.
It's kinda unfortunate how timezones made you two the last to show up. That's alright though
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I think beetle should claim. It is quite profitable but I don't really want to say why
want to say more about this now?
Yeah, I read that game before this one started... hmmmm. Lalight claimed first last time too.
It's kinda unfortunate how timezones made you two the last to show up. That's alright though
What I thought was that if scum would counterclaim we'll out sister and have less people to look for moon king for. If scum wouldn't counterclaim, I would be IC and it's good too, because scum will be distracted from looking for monkey
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Awaclus your first post is in response to me asking for your first post to be about the beetle. Can't get much weaker than that. Both of your breadcrumbs are terrible, but even if they were better they wouldn't matter much.
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So LaLight actually breadcrumbed but it's the same one he used as scum last time. Whereas it feels to me like Awaclus did not breadcrumb but is retrospectively claiming that he did.
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So LaLight actually breadcrumbed but it's the same one he used as scum last time. Whereas it feels to me like Awaclus did not breadcrumb but is retrospectively claiming that he did.
I did intentionally use Beetle as the first relevant word in that post.
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Oh boy, I'm really not sure about this one.
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What's noteworthy is that, like I said, we improved our chances from 50/50 to 50/50 so not at all, so having me claim was neither good nor bad. What LaLight said about Beetle claiming was nonsense.
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Liopoil should flip a coin.
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Liopoil should flip a coin.
Because you know that if his reads are accurate, it's bad for your alignment.
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Nah if I was scum on D1 I would bank on his reads being inaccurate and try to push him to decide.
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Nah if I was scum on D1 I would bank on his reads being inaccurate and try to push him to decide.
Well, that would make sense too, but apparently that's not what you're doing as scum on D1.
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Dude, I am a town. Whatever scumslip you think you detected is wrong.
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Dude, I am a town. Whatever scumslip you think you detected is wrong.
Well, what scumslip did I detect and how was it wrong?
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I don't know because you never show your reads.
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Oh boy, I'm really not sure about this one.
Me neither.
So LaLight actually breadcrumbed but it's the same one he used as scum last time. Whereas it feels to me like Awaclus did not breadcrumb but is retrospectively claiming that he did.
Yeah :(
What's noteworthy is that, like I said, we improved our chances from 50/50 to 50/50 so not at all, so having me claim was neither good nor bad. What LaLight said about Beetle claiming was nonsense.
Nah, I don't think it was nonsense. I think he's right.
Liopoil should flip a coin.
No.
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So, I'd say there's significantly more than a 2/3rds chance that neither of you are the moon king. Further, if we don't lynch either of you, then if the mafia kill the beetle tonight then we know that the other is mafia, and the monkey will still be alive. If we lynch one of them, then either:
- we lynch correctly, and it's the moon king and we win. Extremely unlikely, especially since all the mafia will vote for the beetle. Less than 1/6 chance of this even if I flip a coin
- we lynch correctly and it's a sister. Then the beetle dies tonight probably. This is good, but is one of the worst correct lynches possible (only this worse is if the monkey had to claim)
- we lynch the beetle. Then the nightkill is guaranteed to go through and it's 3-3. Now we do know the other is mafia, but they're probably a sister and we'd have to win a coinflip or even two coinflips to win the game, in addition to finding another mafia. A very bad mislynch
So I think we should lynch from {cheesyjelly, iguana, RR, chairs, Jake} today.
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2/5 odds slightly worse, but any townies in that group have a 50-50 shot. If we mislynch it's slightly better than lynching the beetle because the beetle has a slim chance to block the kill. And I think our chances of hitting the moon king are a bit higher.
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Day ends in 6 and a half hours. Let's start voting
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I think beetle should claim. It is quite profitable but I don't really want to say why
I think you're beetle
Do you still think this?
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I think beetle should claim. It is quite profitable but I don't really want to say why
I think you're beetle
Do you still think this?
I mispoke. What I should've said is 'I think you're going to claim Beetle.'
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So, I'd say there's significantly more than a 2/3rds chance that neither of you are the moon king. Further, if we don't lynch either of you, then if the mafia kill the beetle tonight then we know that the other is mafia, and the monkey will still be alive. If we lynch one of them, then either:
- we lynch correctly, and it's the moon king and we win. Extremely unlikely, especially since all the mafia will vote for the beetle. Less than 1/6 chance of this even if I flip a coin
- we lynch correctly and it's a sister. Then the beetle dies tonight probably. This is good, but is one of the worst correct lynches possible (only this worse is if the monkey had to claim)
- we lynch the beetle. Then the nightkill is guaranteed to go through and it's 3-3. Now we do know the other is mafia, but they're probably a sister and we'd have to win a coinflip or even two coinflips to win the game, in addition to finding another mafia. A very bad mislynch
So I think we should lynch from {cheesyjelly, iguana, RR, chairs, Jake} today.
The point about the NK is actually good. I think the point about Moon King is still nonsense though because 1) Scum is making it so it could actually be LL himself, 2) lynching scum at all is more important than lynching MK.
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So, I'd say there's significantly more than a 2/3rds chance that neither of you are the moon king. Further, if we don't lynch either of you, then if the mafia kill the beetle tonight then we know that the other is mafia, and the monkey will still be alive. If we lynch one of them, then either:
- we lynch correctly, and it's the moon king and we win. Extremely unlikely, especially since all the mafia will vote for the beetle. Less than 1/6 chance of this even if I flip a coin
- we lynch correctly and it's a sister. Then the beetle dies tonight probably. This is good, but is one of the worst correct lynches possible (only this worse is if the monkey had to claim)
- we lynch the beetle. Then the nightkill is guaranteed to go through and it's 3-3. Now we do know the other is mafia, but they're probably a sister and we'd have to win a coinflip or even two coinflips to win the game, in addition to finding another mafia. A very bad mislynch
So I think we should lynch from {cheesyjelly, iguana, RR, chairs, Jake} today.
I like this plan a lot - it's likely the case that we get to lynch the fake-beetle tomorrow without having to 'waste' a D1 lynch.
vote: cheesyjelly
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I think Awaclus may as well be the Moon King, it's all a WIFOM game. We should lynch him today, that will be significally better than trying to make a rush lynch without much possible content to analyze
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So, I'd say there's significantly more than a 2/3rds chance that neither of you are the moon king. Further, if we don't lynch either of you, then if the mafia kill the beetle tonight then we know that the other is mafia, and the monkey will still be alive. If we lynch one of them, then either:
- we lynch correctly, and it's the moon king and we win. Extremely unlikely, especially since all the mafia will vote for the beetle. Less than 1/6 chance of this even if I flip a coin
- we lynch correctly and it's a sister. Then the beetle dies tonight probably. This is good, but is one of the worst correct lynches possible (only this worse is if the monkey had to claim)
- we lynch the beetle. Then the nightkill is guaranteed to go through and it's 3-3. Now we do know the other is mafia, but they're probably a sister and we'd have to win a coinflip or even two coinflips to win the game, in addition to finding another mafia. A very bad mislynch
So I think we should lynch from {cheesyjelly, iguana, RR, chairs, Jake} today.
Im just gonna say this about the first part, Blitz games are all about chance and risk (or at least this one is). Everyone knew going into this beetle claim that we were gonna get two beetle claims but we were most likely not going to lynch their. It would be risky but mafia could hide their moon King their knowing that we probably wouldn't lynch their. It would be risky but that's what blitz games are about. So overall I'm just saying that we shouldn't discount LL or Awaclus to not be the moon King.
PPE 1: SERIOUSLY LL
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So, I'd say there's significantly more than a 2/3rds chance that neither of you are the moon king. Further, if we don't lynch either of you, then if the mafia kill the beetle tonight then we know that the other is mafia, and the monkey will still be alive. If we lynch one of them, then either:
- we lynch correctly, and it's the moon king and we win. Extremely unlikely, especially since all the mafia will vote for the beetle. Less than 1/6 chance of this even if I flip a coin
- we lynch correctly and it's a sister. Then the beetle dies tonight probably. This is good, but is one of the worst correct lynches possible (only this worse is if the monkey had to claim)
- we lynch the beetle. Then the nightkill is guaranteed to go through and it's 3-3. Now we do know the other is mafia, but they're probably a sister and we'd have to win a coinflip or even two coinflips to win the game, in addition to finding another mafia. A very bad mislynch
So I think we should lynch from {cheesyjelly, iguana, RR, chairs, Jake} today.
I like this plan a lot - it's likely the case that we get to lynch the fake-beetle tomorrow without having to 'waste' a D1 lynch.
vote: cheesyjelly
Why? (The vote)
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I think Awaclus may as well be the Moon King, it's all a WIFOM game. We should lynch him today, that will be significally better than trying to make a rush lynch without much possible content to analyze
Actually there's no way I can be the MK and you know it.
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I think Awaclus may as well be the Moon King, it's all a WIFOM game. We should lynch him today, that will be significally better than trying to make a rush lynch without much possible content to analyze
Actually there's no way I can be the MK and you know it.
I am not your partner, so I don't know.
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Has everybody gone mad? Two unjustified votes for me now. Very silly.
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So actually Lalight is the scummy one. My random vote is fine with me though if we aren't doing Lalight.
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So, I'd say there's significantly more than a 2/3rds chance that neither of you are the moon king. Further, if we don't lynch either of you, then if the mafia kill the beetle tonight then we know that the other is mafia, and the monkey will still be alive. If we lynch one of them, then either:
- we lynch correctly, and it's the moon king and we win. Extremely unlikely, especially since all the mafia will vote for the beetle. Less than 1/6 chance of this even if I flip a coin
- we lynch correctly and it's a sister. Then the beetle dies tonight probably. This is good, but is one of the worst correct lynches possible (only this worse is if the monkey had to claim)
- we lynch the beetle. Then the nightkill is guaranteed to go through and it's 3-3. Now we do know the other is mafia, but they're probably a sister and we'd have to win a coinflip or even two coinflips to win the game, in addition to finding another mafia. A very bad mislynch
So I think we should lynch from {cheesyjelly, iguana, RR, chairs, Jake} today.
I like this plan a lot - it's likely the case that we get to lynch the fake-beetle tomorrow without having to 'waste' a D1 lynch.
vote: cheesyjelly
Why? (The vote)
I flipped a couple coins.
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You should redo your coin flipping.
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I think Awaclus may as well be the Moon King, it's all a WIFOM game. We should lynch him today, that will be significally better than trying to make a rush lynch without much possible content to analyze
You seem far more likely to be the moon king than awaclus does.
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So we have three hours to deadline and the thing is that scum has three votes. So we need townies around to lynch somebody. Two are on cheesyjelly right now and nobody else, and seems kinda reasonable that scum will push that lynch through if he's town. And chairs and iguana are suspicious for not having a reason.
I think I'd rather not lynch jake today, if that helps...
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So we have three hours to deadline and the thing is that scum has three votes. So we need townies around to lynch somebody. Two are on cheesyjelly right now and nobody else, and seems kinda reasonable that scum will push that lynch through if he's town. And chairs and iguana are suspicious for not having a reason.
I think I'd rather not lynch jake today, if that helps...
I'm here but I don't really want to lynch anyone based off of "coin flipping."
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So we have three hours to deadline and the thing is that scum has three votes. So we need townies around to lynch somebody. Two are on cheesyjelly right now and nobody else, and seems kinda reasonable that scum will push that lynch through if he's town. And chairs and iguana are suspicious for not having a reason.
I think I'd rather not lynch jake today, if that helps...
I'm here but I don't really want to lynch anyone based off of "coin flipping."
Yeah. So, who do you prefer out of {RR, ii, chairs} (or I suppose cheesyjelly)? There's enough to at least get some idea...
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Vote Count 1.1:
CJ (2): igu, chairs
LaLight (1): Awaclus
Awaclus (1): LaLight
Not Voting (4): CJ, Jake, RR, liopoil
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 18:00 on Sunday, July 30.
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I won't be here to deadline. From what I read I'd vote: RR
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So we have three hours to deadline and the thing is that scum has three votes. So we need townies around to lynch somebody. Two are on cheesyjelly right now and nobody else, and seems kinda reasonable that scum will push that lynch through if he's town. And chairs and iguana are suspicious for not having a reason.
I think I'd rather not lynch jake today, if that helps...
I'm here but I don't really want to lynch anyone based off of "coin flipping."
Yeah. So, who do you prefer out of {RR, ii, chairs} (or I suppose cheesyjelly)? There's enough to at least get some idea...
Probably iguana or chairs but I don't much care between the three. Who are you leaning towards?
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I won't be here to deadline. From what I read I'd vote: RR
Instead of Awaclus? Nice
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Out of the pool suggested by wise and mighty Kubo:
Iguana: misguided town
RR: townie, been making sense
Chairs: seems scummy, I'll flip a coin...
...I got tails.
Vote: chairs
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I mean, my only scumread is Lalight and we aren't doing that.
I guess chairs could be scummy for landing on the same random target I did? Unless you know he actually did...
I would vote Jake sure but then everyone thinks I'm scum for cheeping the IC.
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Vote: chairs
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Out of the pool suggested by wise and mighty Kubo:
Iguana: misguided town
RR: townie, been making sense
Chairs: seems scummy, I'll flip a coin...
...I got tails.
Vote: chairs
Why did you need to flip a coin when you said only one was scummy?
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I am not your partner, so I don't know.
The first statement is true, but the second statement is a non sequitur. Also not true.
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We going with chairs then?
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I won't be here to deadline. From what I read I'd vote: RR
Instead of Awaclus? Nice
Lalight realizes Awaclus isn't getting lynched today. Now's your chance to deflect. Who do you want lynched?
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Out of the pool suggested by wise and mighty Kubo:
Iguana: misguided town
RR: townie, been making sense
Chairs: seems scummy, I'll flip a coin...
...I got tails.
Vote: chairs
Why did you need to flip a coin when you said only one was scummy?
I'm just joking around. Chairs voted for me due to a coin flip apparently.
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I am not your partner, so I don't know.
The first statement is true, but the second statement is a non sequitur. Also not true.
Alright, we get it already - you two "know" each other are mafia. Any thoughts? You think the partners are iguana and RR?
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Under an hour to go - who's here?
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Under an hour to go - who's here?
I'm here but I'm still very unsure.
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Under an hour to go - who's here?
I'm here but I'm still very unsure.
Seems like all you care about is self-preservation
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Under an hour to go - who's here?
I'm here but I'm still very unsure.
Seems like all you care about is self-preservation
What do you think about a CJ lynch?
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vote count:
CJ: chairs
Lalight: Awaclus
RR: Lalight
chairs: CJ, iguana
not voting: jake, liopoil, RR
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RR and jake you better be voting by the deadline
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RR and jake you better be voting by the deadline
(I certainly will be)
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I will
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I will
I'm kinda between CJ and RR right now. I'd rather not lynch chairs really. Do you have any preference? It looks like I might end up deciding...
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I'm also not a fan of how scum [e.g., you and RR] might just sway the vote away from themselves at deadline
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I will
I'm kinda between CJ and RR right now. I'd rather not lynch chairs really. Do you have any preference? It looks like I might end up deciding...
Leaning RR
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People viewing the thread: Jake, me, ashersky, somebody else.... hello?
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Let's lynch Roadrunner
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Let's lynch Roadrunner
ok Vote: RR
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I'll vote with a minute to go or so.
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I'll vote with a minute to go or so.
That's still just 3 votes.
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I'll vote with a minute to go or so.
That's still just 3 votes.
Yeah, but plurality lynch
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Strange how roadrunner disappeared. He could have saved himself... but inactive for the past half hour
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I'll vote with a minute to go or so.
That's still just 3 votes.
Yeah, but plurality lynch
I keep forgetting about that
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There are still two people viewing the thread besides me and you...
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Vote: Roadrunner7671
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This is bizarre
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This is bizarre
yep
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This is bizarre
yep
This is sad. It's a blitz game and were at 8 pages.
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Calling Awaclus-CJ-RR scumteam now, but meh.
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welp, that's it. Seeya later, maybe something interesting will have happened...
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I'm town
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Am I dead?
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I'm town
What a defense
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Am I dead?
Not yet
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I'm town
What a defense
What have I done that's scummy?
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Vote: CJ
Self preservation is no fun
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Vote: CJ
Self preservation is no fun
Vote: RR
Agreed, it sucks.
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Vote: CJ
Self preservation is no fun
You're dead.
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Why did both of you show up AFTER the deadline?
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Day 1 ends at 18:00 on Sunday, July 30.
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Why did both of you show up AFTER the deadline?
I was driving. Missed the deadline. Wanted to make sure RR couldn't hammer me after the deadline. If his counts, mine counts too.
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Why did both of you show up AFTER the deadline?
I was driving. Missed the deadline. Wanted to make sure RR couldn't hammer me after the deadline. If his counts, mine counts too.
Alright. You're lucky we didn't quicklynch you instead.
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Why did both of you show up AFTER the deadline?
I was driving. Missed the deadline. Wanted to make sure RR couldn't hammer me after the deadline. If his counts, mine counts too.
Alright. You're lucky we didn't quicklynch you instead.
You'd have been left red-faced. I gave my reads and my vote well before the deadline and was ignored.
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Vote: CJ
Self preservation is no fun
You're dead.
If I'm dead then y'all are dead too
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So who did we lynch?
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Vote: CJ
Self preservation is no fun
You're dead.
If I'm dead then y'all are dead too
... can't tell if monkey or moon king
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I had to work :/
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Day 1 Final Vote Count:
CJ (1): chairs
LaLight (1): Awaclus
RR (3): LaLight, Jake, liopoil
chairs (2): CJ, igu
Not Voting (1): RR
Sorry, unexpectedly out of Internet range.
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RR was lynched. He was a vanilla villager!
Igu died in the night. He was a vanilla villager!
Day 2 begins now.
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Vote Count 2.0:
Not Voting (6): CJ, chairs, LaLight, Awaclus, Jake, liopoil
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends on August 1 at 23:00.
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Darn darn darn. Well, I think we can at least figure out everything now and have it come down to a coinflip maybe.
CJ, chairs, Jake: Are you the monkey? Just answer and don't say anything else... shh I know
Lalight, Awaclus: Who did you target? Just answer and don't say anything else... shh I know
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I am the monkey.
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I targeted iguana.
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So scum is objectively going to be outed, but we only have a random chance of lynching.
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I targeted chairs
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If I get it right we now will have 3 vs 3 in the end of the day and the game will be decided by coin flip? Unless scum will be able to quickhammer. Sucks
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Unless scum will be able to quickhammer. Sucks
Won't be the case because no townie will vote for another after chairs is counterclaimed and the remaining scum is outed (or if he isn't counterclaimed and the remaining two scum are both outed).
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I am the monkey.
No your not. I am.
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So, CJ is guaranteed to be scum and also almost guaranteed to not be the Moon King.
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So, CJ is guaranteed to be scum and also almost guaranteed to not be the Moon King.
Why, because I have been busy with work until now?
I'm actually Monkey, and I spent most of Day 1 trying to hint/breadcrumb that so that Beetle wouldn't block me, but without being obvious enough to get myself killed. I'll provide the evidence in a second.
I think chairs is the Moon King - getting in with the first claim is probably the safest place to hide.
Vote: chairs
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Right, this could also happen.
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Hi folks! My first Blitz game! I'm excited about playing.
I now really want to watch the film again. Is the DVD out yet? To Amazon!
Has everybody gone mad? Two unjustified votes for me now. Very silly.
Lynching me would have been very silly indeed.
Out of the pool suggested by wise and mighty Kubo:
Iguana: misguided town
RR: townie, been making sense
Chairs: seems scummy, I'll flip a coin...
...I got tails.
Why did you need to flip a coin when you said only one was scummy?
I'm just joking around. Chairs voted for me due to a coin flip apparently.
You know, like "monkeying around". I said they were meant to be vague.
Alright. You're lucky we didn't quicklynch you instead.
You'd have been left red-faced. I gave my reads and my vote well before the deadline and was ignored.
Like a baboon. I'm almost embarrassed about these in retrospect.
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Uh...
huh.
I can't say I did any breadcrumb shenanigans.
I'm really surprised, I was expecting a single counterclaim.
vote: JaketheBaseballGod22
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If we vote jake and then vote CJ, we win, right? Since both moon sisters is a surrender, or the moon king is a surrender.
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If we vote jake and then vote CJ, we win, right? Since both moon sisters is a surrender, or the moon king is a surrender.
If you're town, yes. But unfortunately we don't know that.
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Vote Count 2.1:
chairs (1): CJ
Jake (1): chairs
Not Voting (6): LaLight, Awaclus, Jake, liopoil
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends on August 1 at 23:00.
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Uh...
huh.
I can't say I did any breadcrumb shenanigans.
I'm really surprised, I was expecting a single counterclaim.
vote: JaketheBaseballGod22
Okay, cool. Chairs is definitely the Moon King. There's no way scum would risk a quick lynch of the Moon King. Clever vote though: we kill a Sister, Beetle is killed in the night, then I get lynched because Chairs looks like town. Scum win 2 vs 1.
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LL or Awaclus is most likely moon King.
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Clever vote though: we kill a Sister, Beetle is killed in the night, then I get lynched because Chairs looks like town. Scum win 2 vs 1. LaLight is outed and town can hopefully lynch him.
FTFY
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Clever vote though: we kill a Sister, Beetle is killed in the night, then I get lynched because Chairs looks like town. Scum win 2 vs 1. LaLight is outed and town can hopefully lynch him.
FTFY
Alright, we get it already - you two "know" each other are mafia.
In that situation we've got two 1 vs 1s. In one of them, we have zero information about which is scum. In the other, one person got town points for lynching scum. There's no way LaLight gets lynched instead of me in that scenario.
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If we lynch out of {CJ, Jake} today, we nail one of the scum... I think we win after that, basically guaranteed, since either they kill Beetle or they kill me, basically, and either one results in a win.
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Clever vote though: we kill a Sister, Beetle is killed in the night, then I get lynched because Chairs looks like town. Scum win 2 vs 1. LaLight is outed and town can hopefully lynch him.
FTFY
Alright, we get it already - you two "know" each other are mafia.
In that situation we've got two 1 vs 1s. In one of them, we have zero information about which is scum. In the other, one person got town points for lynching scum. There's no way LaLight gets lynched instead of me in that scenario.
If I'm killed in the night, then you'll know LaLight is scum for sure.
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If we lynch out of {CJ, Jake} today, we nail one of the scum... I think we win after that, basically guaranteed, since either they kill Beetle or they kill me, basically, and either one results in a win.
It's not guaranteed because you can't guarantee us you're town.
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It's almost like we're going to have to use reads and intuition rather than any piece of logic that starts "Because I'm town..."
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Alright, I was 93-97% sure all three of you would claim monkey, but it was worth a shot anyway...
It is, however, pretty clear to me who the monkey is. It's less clear to me who the beetle and moon king are.
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So scum is objectively going to be outed, but we only have a random chance of lynching.
See, this is what I'm wondering. Will scum out themselves, bus a sister, or wait and try to quickhammer if a townie gets it wrong?
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If lalight or awaclus is the moon king then they chose wisely because they're much safer there... but I still doubt it.
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So I guess it boils down to this: We should lynch one of the claimed Monkeys (in my opinion anyway).
Obviously I'm telling you not to lynch me, but ultimately you've got to make the call as to who we lynch.
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If lalight or awaclus is the moon king then they chose wisely because they're much safer there... but I still doubt it.
They are. That's the smart play. That's what I've been saying since yesterday.
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It is, however, pretty clear to me who the monkey is.
Well, if you're confident in that read, you can just tell us who to lynch and then we lynch him. You could be wrong which would suck, or scum can out themselves and have a 50-50 chance to get the mislynch through, or scum can hide themselves by bussing. I think that's better than me and the Monkey trying to argue against the three scum.
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Yes. I would still lynch Awaclus over anyone else because I know for sire he is scum. Out of 3 monkeys... i rbed chairs which makes him less likely to be scum, i don't think Awa would shoot this night. I guess, vote: CJ
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It is, however, pretty clear to me who the monkey is.
Well, if you're confident in that read, you can just tell us who to lynch and then we lynch him. You could be wrong which would suck, or scum can out themselves and have a 50-50 chance to get the mislynch through, or scum can hide themselves by bussing. I think that's better than me and the Monkey trying to argue against the three scum.
This gives me kind of a town read on Awaclus - not that we need to pick between Awaclus and Lalight since we can just win by lynching Monkey counterclaims.
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And yeah, I definitely think LaLight is the most likely moon king, and not just because he's confirmed scum to me but because he has been advocating for lynching basically anyone but himself the entire game.
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Oh yeah, and any breadcrumbing is worthless here because LaLight is scum so he could have told everyone to breadcrumb like that.
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Yes. I would still lynch Awaclus over anyone else because I know for sire he is scum. Out of 3 monkeys... i rbed chairs which makes him less likely to be scum, i don't think Awa would shoot this night. I guess, vote: CJ
Uh please unvote
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Okay, unvote
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Here's an idea:
Chairs, vote for Jake in your next post
OR, if CJ sees this first:
CJ, vote for chairs in your next post
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Vote Count 2.2:
chairs (1): CJ
Jake (1): chairs
Not Voting (4): Awaclus, Jake, liopoil, LaLight
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends on August 1 at 23:00.
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Here's an idea:
Chairs, vote for Jake in your next post
OR, if CJ sees this first:
CJ, vote for chairs in your next post
We're already doing those things?
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Oh snap I got way confused and misspoke. Will say the right thing in a bit..
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Here's an idea:
Chairs, vote for Jake in your next post
OR, if CJ sees this first:
CJ, vote for chairs in your next post
I feel left out
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Here's an idea:
Chairs, vote for Jake in your next post
OR, if CJ sees this first:
CJ, vote for chairs in your next post
We're already doing those things?
...there's kind of an irony here...
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Ok. So, the point is, chairs, jake, and CJ all "know" that the other two are mafia. But two of them are actually mafia, and don't want to vote for each other. So let's make it happen.
I read the votecount backwards, and thought jake was voting for chairs and chairs voting for CJ. But nope.
Jake, vote for chairs
OR, if CJ sees this first,
CJ, vote for Jake
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If would also be nice if exactly one of Awaclus and LaLight were online at the same time as me...
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Note: I'm hoping to have you all re-arrange your votes a lot of times, including repeating combinations we've already done, if possible. So, yeah
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Vote:chairs
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Not sure I understand the point of that but okay.
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Vote:chairs
nice try buddy, gotta include the space!
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Are Lalight or awaclus around? Post when you get here...
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Not sure I understand the point of that but okay.
Look, scum's squirming already!
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Not sure I understand the point of that but okay.
Look, scum's squirming already!
I mean, are they? We haven't heard from CJ and all we've heard from Jake so far is a vote that wasn't properly formatted.
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Not sure I understand the point of that but okay.
Look, scum's squirming already!
I mean, are they? We haven't heard from CJ and all we've heard from Jake so far is a vote that wasn't properly formatted.
Yeah, and Jake's gone silent afterwards... pretty suspicious
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Are Lalight or awaclus around? Post when you get here...
when you get here...
That's what you wanted me to post, right?
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Here, yeah
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I was asleep, sorry. Vote: Jake
I'll play along, but time is crucial and we really need to be deciding who we think is most likely to be the Moon King. I think it is chairs. I don't really see anybody else taking a stab at that.
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I was asleep, sorry. Vote: Jake
I'll play along, but time is crucial and we really need to be deciding who we think is most likely to be the Moon King. I think it is chairs. I don't really see anybody else taking a stab at that.
But it needs to be liopoil alone making that decision, otherwise we have 3 scum against 3 town doing it and that gets us nowhere.
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Deadline is 11pm forum time. I'll be there. If enough other people are there it'll be okay. Otherwise yeah we should get lynching.
Are Lalight or awaclus around? Post when you get here...
when you get here...
That's what you wanted me to post, right?
yes.
I want an explanation from Jake.
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Vote:chairs
nice try buddy, gotta include the space!
He was active two hours after I posted this. I have to think that this is intentional...
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Awaclus, vote for Jake, and I'll hammer.
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Awaclus, vote for Jake, and I'll hammer.
Or Lalight
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Vote: Jake
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unvote
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Are we sure that scum can't win if we only lynch a Sister today?
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Are we sure that scum can't win if we only lynch a Sister today?
We don't care what you're sure of. Liopoil makes the decisions here.
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unvote
Woah there.
Are we sure that scum can't win if we only lynch a Sister today?
If we lynch a sister, then the beetle has at least a 1/3 chance of blocking the shot, and then if the kill succeeds we have pretty much a 50-50 shot.
I know you think chairs is the moon king...
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Yeah, re-vote for Jake right now.
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Awaclus, why did you choose Jake and not LaLight?
If you're town, you should have chosen LaLight. It's the only person you "know" to be scum.
If you're scum, you don't want LaLight to be lynched today because that means you'll be lynched tomorrow.
Awaclus is Moon King. I can't see another reason for him to vote for a supposedly uncertain option.
Vote: Awaclus
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Awaclus, why did you choose Jake and not LaLight?
If you're town, you should have chosen LaLight. It's the only person you "know" to be scum.
If you're scum, you don't want LaLight to be lynched today because that means you'll be lynched tomorrow.
Awaclus is Moon King. I can't see another reason for him to vote for a supposedly uncertain option.
Vote: Awaclus
What are you talking about? This seems to be gibberish. Vote for Jake right now.
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Well then.
Liopoil, I think we can pretty comfortably say Jake's the moon king.
Am I okay to go ahead and vote (if I'm not already)?
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Well then.
Liopoil, I think we can pretty comfortably say Jake's the moon king.
Am I okay to go ahead and vote (if I'm not already)?
You are already.
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I see you lurking, Lalight
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Awaclus, why did you choose Jake and not LaLight?
If you're town, you should have chosen LaLight. It's the only person you "know" to be scum.
If you're scum, you don't want LaLight to be lynched today because that means you'll be lynched tomorrow.
Awaclus is Moon King. I can't see another reason for him to vote for a supposedly uncertain option.
Vote: Awaclus
What are you talking about? This seems to be gibberish. Vote for Jake right now.
I'm not happy throwing away a perfectly good lead just for a 50:50 chance of winning.
Seriously, you gave Awaclus a choice between lynching LaLight and Jake. Town!Awaclus votes for LaLight, because he's CERTAIN that LaLight is scum. MoonKing!Awaclus knows that if LaLight is lynched, he gets lynched tomorrow. He can't let that happen.
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Ah, well then that makes it hard to add a vote for you there :-\
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I see you lurking, Lalight
well, I am at bad wifi in some caffee trying to understand what is going on
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Awaclus, why did you choose Jake and not LaLight?
If you're town, you should have chosen LaLight. It's the only person you "know" to be scum.
If you're scum, you don't want LaLight to be lynched today because that means you'll be lynched tomorrow.
Awaclus is Moon King. I can't see another reason for him to vote for a supposedly uncertain option.
Vote: Awaclus
What are you talking about? This seems to be gibberish. Vote for Jake right now.
I'm not happy throwing away a perfectly good lead just for a 50:50 chance of winning.
Seriously, you gave Awaclus a choice between lynching LaLight and Jake. Town!Awaclus votes for LaLight, because he's CERTAIN that LaLight is scum. MoonKing!Awaclus knows that if LaLight is lynched, he gets lynched tomorrow. He can't let that happen.
NO, I said that Awaclus needs to vote for Jake. Alternatively, LaLight can vote for Jake. We are not lynching Lalight
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I'm not happy throwing away a perfectly good lead just for a 50:50 chance of winning.
Are you claiming scum?
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I see you lurking, Lalight
well, I am at bad wifi in some caffee trying to understand what is going on
Vote for Jake right now
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I see you lurking, Lalight
well, I am at bad wifi in some caffee trying to understand what is going on
Vote for Jake right now
I don't think this is a perfectly good idea, to be sincere.
vote: Liopoil
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Alright. Scum team is Lalight, CJ, Jake. I had thought that CJ was the moon king before (was pretty sure Chairs was monkey from the start of the day), but I guess now it seems more likely to be Jake.
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"Awaclus, vote for Jake... Or LaLight".
I now see what you mean, but I think Awaclus would have read it as I did (he'll deny that now, of course). I really think Awaclus is the Moon King, and I don't want to settle for a 50:50 chance of winning when we have better info.
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Vote:chairs
this is just bizarre
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"Awaclus, vote for Jake... Or LaLight".
I now see what you mean, but I think Awaclus would have read it as I did (he'll deny that now, of course). I really think Awaclus is the Moon King, and I don't want to settle for a 50:50 chance of winning when we have better info.
If you're town this is absolutely ridiculous, not even mentioning Lalight's latest post claiming scum.
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unvote
Darn I had 4 minutes to win it.
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Oh man, I hadn't even seen LaLight's post.
Unvote for a minute
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I was asleep, sorry. Vote: Jake
I'll play along, but time is crucial and we really need to be deciding who we think is most likely to be the Moon King. I think it is chairs. I don't really see anybody else taking a stab at that.
lol
Oh man, I hadn't even seen LaLight's post.
Unvote for a minute
just give up pretending to be town...
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Strange how Lalight voted for CJ earlier though. That had made me think that it was Awaclus-CJ-Jake
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I was asleep, sorry. Vote: Jake
I'll play along, but time is crucial and we really need to be deciding who we think is most likely to be the Moon King. I think it is chairs. I don't really see anybody else taking a stab at that.
lol
Oh man, I hadn't even seen LaLight's post.
Unvote for a minute
just give up pretending to be town...
I did think it was chairs! Then I honestly thought Awaclus had been given a choice between LaLight and Jake and made a scummy play. But with LaLight outed, I'm back to thinking it's chairs. Why else would Jake deliberately botch the vote like that?
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Strange how Lalight voted for CJ earlier though. That had made me think that it was Awaclus-CJ-Jake
Look at all the votes, tell me why it isn't chairs-Jake-LaLight with chairs as Moon King?
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Strange how Lalight voted for CJ earlier though. That had made me think that it was Awaclus-CJ-Jake
Look at all the votes, tell me why it isn't chairs-Jake-LaLight with chairs as Moon King?
Mostly because you're refusing to vote for Jake.
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Jake's even playing like the moon king, what with pushing the idea that awaclus/lalight are the moon king
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If we lynch a sister, then the beetle has at least a 1/3 chance of blocking the shot, and then if the kill succeeds we have pretty much a 50-50 shot.
I don't want it to be down to a 50-50 shot! I want us to kill the Moon King. I very happily put my vote on Jake, but I think it's hasty to hammer with 12 hours to find the Moon King and win the game today.
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If you think I'm scum with Jake, you can safely vote for Jake, because it doesn't matter if we get the Moon King today or tomorrow (or even just get both sisters is fine).
Getting rid of one of the {chairs/cj/jake} trio helps town, assuming we don't lynch the Monkey (which is me, but for the moment I'm trying to argue this from the POV of a third party).
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If we lynch a sister, then the beetle has at least a 1/3 chance of blocking the shot, and then if the kill succeeds we have pretty much a 50-50 shot.
I don't want it to be down to a 50-50 shot! I want us to kill the Moon King. I very happily put my vote on Jake, but I think it's hasty to hammer with 12 hours to find the Moon King and win the game today.
You should trust that I know what I'm doing - especially because while town!you could have reason to believe it's more likely to be chairs, it's just reads based on the same stuff I'm looking at.
How about this:
If we lynch a sister, then we have at least a 50-50 chance of winning.
We literally CANNOT lynch the moon king today by force, because scum will not vote for them. So we have at most a 50-50 chance of winning today by coinflip.
So lynching a sister is actually better than moon king - hunting. If chairs is the moon king as you claim, it's worth it to take advantage of the fact that he's voting for Jake right now, since we can't lynch chairs without the votes of Jake or Lalight, neither of which will do that.
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I'm leaving for a few hours, hopefully when I come back CJ will have claimed mafia and we can move on.
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Vote:chairs
nice try buddy, gotta include the space!
He was active two hours after I posted this. I have to think that this is intentional...
Not really.
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Vote:chairs
nice try buddy, gotta include the space!
He was active two hours after I posted this. I have to think that this is intentional...
Not really.
Wait how can you see that I was active because I wasn't on again.
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Vote:chairs
nice try buddy, gotta include the space!
Vote: Chairs
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Well then.
Liopoil, I think we can pretty comfortably say Jake's the moon king.
Am I okay to go ahead and vote (if I'm not already)?
Or LL is like I've been saying all game.
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Awaclus, why did you choose Jake and not LaLight?
If you're town, you should have chosen LaLight. It's the only person you "know" to be scum.
If you're scum, you don't want LaLight to be lynched today because that means you'll be lynched tomorrow.
Awaclus is Moon King. I can't see another reason for him to vote for a supposedly uncertain option.
Vote: Awaclus
What are you talking about? This seems to be gibberish. Vote for Jake right now.
I'm not happy throwing away a perfectly good lead just for a 50:50 chance of winning.
Seriously, you gave Awaclus a choice between lynching LaLight and Jake. Town!Awaclus votes for LaLight, because he's CERTAIN that LaLight is scum. MoonKing!Awaclus knows that if LaLight is lynched, he gets lynched tomorrow. He can't let that happen.
NO, I said that Awaclus needs to vote for Jake. Alternatively, LaLight can vote for Jake. We are not lynching Lalight
Whyyyyy????
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Jake's even playing like the moon king, what with pushing the idea that awaclus/lalight are the moon king
Ive been saying that all game because it's the smart play!!!
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LaLight just confirmed himself as scum, so it's super wifommy but the default assumption to make here is that he isn't the moon king.
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I think we can safely call it as:
Jake = Moon King
CJ = Sister
LaLight = Sister
I guess I can't be 100%, but if I had to place it -right now- that's where I think I'd find Moon King.
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Also, I'm an IC now, which is nice.
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Also, I'm an IC now, which is nice.
I mean, -technically- you're not, but you're like, quasi-IC.
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I realized a thing.
I don't want to talk about the thing right now, but somebody remind me to talk about it post game. It's not something pro-Town to mention right now but it made me giggle.
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Also, I'm an IC now, which is nice.
I mean, -technically- you're not, but you're like, quasi-IC.
You are both ICs in my mind. Vote: Jake
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Vote:chairs
nice try buddy, gotta include the space!
Vote: Chairs
I wonder if it was actually unintentional or you were trying to trick me into thinking chairs was the moon king?
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Vote:chairs
nice try buddy, gotta include the space!
Vote: Chairs
I wonder if it was actually unintentional or you were trying to trick me into thinking chairs was the moon king?
But like, you were happy to lynch chairs yesterday so that was never going to work...
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I'm leaving for a few hours, hopefully when I come back CJ will have claimed mafia and we can move on.
This was a lie. For some reason I thought CJ might try to vote for Jake and unvote before I came back? Nah.
Awaclus, vote for Jake, and I'll hammer.
This was a bluff. I was not going to hammer, I just wanted to see if Awaclus would do it and if CJ would let it happen. At the time I thought CJ was the moon king. Seriously, Jake is the moon king both games and lalight fakeclaims beetle both games?
Now it's just a coin flip :/
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Vote:chairs
nice try buddy, gotta include the space!
He was active two hours after I posted this. I have to think that this is intentional...
Not really.
Wait how can you see that I was active because I wasn't on again.
On your profile it says when you were last active
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This was a lie.
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This was a bluff.
You have my seal of approval.
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Seriously, Jake is the moon king both games and lalight fakeclaims beetle both games?
Funny coincidence.
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Vote:chairs
nice try buddy, gotta include the space!
Vote: Chairs
I wonder if it was actually unintentional or you were trying to trick me into thinking chairs was the moon king?
Totally unintentional
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Vote: Liopoli Now the fun begins
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Vote Count 2.2:
Jake (3): chairs, Awaclus, liopoil
Kubo (2): LaLight, Jake
Not Voting (1): CJ
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends on August 1 at 23:00.
I am boarding a flight in a few hours, so won't be around for deadline, btw.
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So it'll come down to a literal 50/50. gg, it was a fun game regardless of who wins.
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The very new mod gkrieg13 is aware and able to end the day when required at deadline.
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So it'll come down to a literal 50/50. gg, it was a fun game regardless of who wins.
Yep
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The very new mod gkrieg13 is aware and able to end the day when required at deadline.
"very new" nice.
Vote: Liopoli Now the fun begins
Hmm that's not me
Yeah, gg. Should have lynched CJ yesterday I guess...
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Welp.
This is the thing I was giggling about actually, was that in the end it's a coin flip as to who the lynch happens on.
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Welp.
This is the thing I was giggling about actually, was that in the end it's a coin flip as to who the lynch happens on.
Yep. That's how it's been the whole day. We needed mafia to bus, they refused, and they needed us to vote for each other (or at least a sister), and luckily we didn't do that.
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Welp.
This is the thing I was giggling about actually, was that in the end it's a coin flip as to who the lynch happens on.
Yep. That's how it's been the whole day. We needed mafia to bus, they refused, and they needed us to vote for each other (or at least a sister), and luckily we didn't do that.
I mean, lynching a sister here is still a chance for a Town win, as long as you're comfortable with the Mafia votes. As soon as any scum vote hit on scum we should've dogpiled as Town for the quicklynch; ah well.
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However the flip goes, btw, was a fun game fam.
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Yeah, hypothetically we could have lynched CJ when Lalight voted for him, and then hoped awaclus blocks the shot so that we could win tomorrow without a coinflip. Or hypothetically I could have been around and decided to hammer Jake in the four minutes where that was possible. Or, much more realistically, I could have just decided to lynch CJ yesterday... but it is what it is.
Town's flawless win streak (6) in blitz games is over... and depending on how the flip goes the normal win streak (10) could be over too.
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The very new mod gkrieg13 is aware and able to end the day when required at deadline.
"very new" nice.
Vote: Liopoli Now the fun begins
Hmm that's not me
Yeah, gg. Should have lynched CJ yesterday I guess...
I'm a terrible voter Vote: Liopoil
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Yeah, hypothetically we could have lynched CJ when Lalight voted for him, and then hoped awaclus blocks the shot so that we could win tomorrow without a coinflip. Or hypothetically I could have been around and decided to hammer Jake in the four minutes where that was possible. Or, much more realistically, I could have just decided to lynch CJ yesterday... but it is what it is.
Town's flawless win streak (6) in blitz games is over... and depending on how the flip goes the normal win streak (10) could be over too.
Couldn't break it last game. Hopefully this game it goes down.
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By the way, Jake, have you ever read "Off Speed"? Seems like something you might enjoy.
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I'm back. I was out this evening. Sorry to spoil your fun, liopoil. Kudos on the hammer bluff. I knew it was probably a bluff, but wasn't willing to risk getting my King lynched.
Well done everybody for finding the Moon King! Let's see what the coin flip gods decide should happen now.
Vote: Liopoil
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By the way, Jake, have you ever read "Off Speed"? Seems like something you might enjoy.
No I haven't. Thanks for the recmendation. I'll look into it.
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I'm back. I was out this evening. Sorry to spoil your fun, liopoil. Kudos on the hammer bluff. I knew it was probably a bluff, but wasn't willing to risk getting my King lynched.
Well done everybody for finding the Moon King! Let's see what the coin flip gods decide should happen now.
Vote: Liopoil
All good. The scummiest thing you did (before hammer nonsense) was your breadcrumbs really. chairs saying "Uh I didn't breadcrumb... didn't expect any counterclaims at all" was enough to convince me.
If the coin flip goes wrong will I be the first IC to be lynched in f.ds mafia history? Oh no
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I'm back. I was out this evening. Sorry to spoil your fun, liopoil. Kudos on the hammer bluff. I knew it was probably a bluff, but wasn't willing to risk getting my King lynched.
Well done everybody for finding the Moon King! Let's see what the coin flip gods decide should happen now.
Vote: Liopoil
All good. The scummiest thing you did (before hammer nonsense) was your breadcrumbs really. chairs saying "Uh I didn't breadcrumb... didn't expect any counterclaims at all" was enough to convince me.
If the coin flip goes wrong will I be the first IC to be lynched in f.ds mafia history? Oh no
That would be funny. Also uh I call tails
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I plan on ending this early if everyone is fine with it...
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I plan on ending this early if everyone is fine with it...
Yep can we get Vote Count first to make sure it's 3v3.
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I plan on ending this early if everyone is fine with it...
Yep can we get Vote Count first to make sure it's 3v3.
It is.
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Ok, I will roll 1d2 using the forum software. 1, town wins. 2, scum wins.
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Rolled 1d2 : 2, total 2
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Kubo has been lynched!
The Moon King (Jake) and the Moon Sisters (CheesyJelly and LaLight) win!
Thread unlocked
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Unfortunately, I can't post any QTs or anything...
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I'm back. I was out this evening. Sorry to spoil your fun, liopoil. Kudos on the hammer bluff. I knew it was probably a bluff, but wasn't willing to risk getting my King lynched.
Well done everybody for finding the Moon King! Let's see what the coin flip gods decide should happen now.
Vote: Liopoil
this made me so confident jake wasn't moon king
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OK, good game! Anyone want to post the mafia QT?
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idea: one of the town PRs (monkey?) gains a tiebreaker ability
like "each night u can target someone who will be lynched at eod the next day in the event of a tie" and else scum just wins it
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You guys killed Kubo. You're monsters!
:'(
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You guys killed Kubo. You're monsters!
:'(
granted i am not familiar with this work but i would assume they are in fact monsters, yes
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idea: one of the town PRs (monkey?) gains a tiebreaker ability
like "each night u can target someone who will be lynched at eod the next day in the event of a tie" and else scum just wins it
Ya. Making Kubo lynchproof would be one idea. Part of the setup is coming to a 3v3, and making the coin flip one way or another.
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idea: one of the town PRs (monkey?) gains a tiebreaker ability
like "each night u can target someone who will be lynched at eod the next day in the event of a tie" and else scum just wins it
Ya. Making Kubo lynchproof would be one idea. Part of the setup is coming to a 3v3, and making the coin flip one way or another.
They didn't need to lynch me, they could have lynched any townie and guaranteed the win
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idea: one of the town PRs (monkey?) gains a tiebreaker ability
like "each night u can target someone who will be lynched at eod the next day in the event of a tie" and else scum just wins it
Ya. Making Kubo lynchproof would be one idea. Part of the setup is coming to a 3v3, and making the coin flip one way or another.
They didn't need to lynch me, they could have lynched any townie and guaranteed the win
But I wanted to lynch you.
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You guys killed Kubo. You're monsters!
:'(
Yes we are
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Mafia: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/gt5gdLUAsXeUQ
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I'm back. I was out this evening. Sorry to spoil your fun, liopoil. Kudos on the hammer bluff. I knew it was probably a bluff, but wasn't willing to risk getting my King lynched.
Well done everybody for finding the Moon King! Let's see what the coin flip gods decide should happen now.
Vote: Liopoil
this made me so confident jake wasn't moon king
Yeah, that was the plan! Was a last Hail Mary in case the coin toss didn't go our way. We got lucky and didn't need it though. Good game, folks!
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I wanted to say that while the 3v3 was considered and built-in, I hadn't really foreseen the full claim hope for a 50% win thing.
I want to thank the scum team for trying to win it normally before going for the coin flip; good job by town to force that.
I'll leave it to the group to vote for an MVP. liopoil did well, but did lose (and become the first ever IC to be lynched).
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My vote is for liopoil, personally.