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Dominion => Dominion General Discussion => Topic started by: ackmondual on March 06, 2017, 02:57:38 am
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Nice thing about playing with a variety of groups... older/younger people, new to Dom. or vets of years, casual gamers or heavy gamers... you run into numerous rules errors encountered. These are some I've noticed that stand out:
- Cellar - Discard 2 cards to draw 2 more, then discard 2 more cards to discard 2 more...
If you want to discard 4 cards, they have to be at once
- TR or Kings Court on Goons, thinking the gaining of VP tokens is also "multiplied"
- playing cards into your discard - "what difference does it make?"
Are you drawing more cards?
"Yes"
Then you'll see
Plays Contraband, then reveals entire hand to player on left... "What can't I buy"
- "It's a shame I didn't have enough actions left to play my Loan"
- Procession - "Now for my favorite trick, trash a $5 card, and get a Gold"
The card you're processioning into has to be an Action card
- Using University to gain Duchies
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My pet peeve is people shuffling their deck before they need to draw. Everyone does it, and it is not even that absurd of an edge case that this really makes a difference.
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My pet peeve is people shuffling their deck before they need to draw. Everyone does it, and it is not even that absurd of an edge case that this really makes a difference.
IMO this saves enough time that it's worth letting people do it. If they do end up needing to discard before they draw, make them shuffle the discarded cards in.
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My pet peeve is people shuffling their deck before they need to draw. Everyone does it, and it is not even that absurd of an edge case that this really makes a difference.
Yeah, I don't think this is a rules mistake (unless the people doing it think that the rules actually tell them to do it). It's simply a common convenience that helps IRL games to not drag on unnecessarily. I'll always do it if I know I'm drawing on my next turn; and it's easy enough to know if I can't do it yet because an attack or something might be played.
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People discarding Duration cards at the start of their next turn.
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My pet peeve is people shuffling their deck before they need to draw. Everyone does it, and it is not even that absurd of an edge case that this really makes a difference.
Just set aside the top card of the discard pile and shuffle the rest of the discard pile without turning it over. The order of your discard pile is both unimportant and not something you're usually allowed to know anyway. Then when you switch to your deck you won't feel as compelled to shuffle it for longer than 2 or 3 shuffles.
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The big one I remember is people taking a Pirate Ship token for each treasure they trashed in a 4p game. Man, did we think the card was OP. Seaway was also in that game, so some people got up to the point where Pirate Ship have them $16 and +1 buy.
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I myself remember thinking that if I had 2 Throne Rooms and another action card, I could just play that other action card 4 times.
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I myself remember thinking that if I had 2 Throne Rooms and another action card, I could just play that other action card 4 times.
By extension, we've all had to do the "TR does not double the effects, it gives you the effect twice" talk.
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"I play a Spy."
"I don't have a deck at the moment, it's all in my hand or my discard pile."
"Well that's fine."
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I've never seen anything too bad, except for when I had to pull out the rules to convince my dad that Masquerade makes him lose cards when I have no cards. (Not anymore, of course)
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"I play Festival" (grabs two Coppers and puts them in play)
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"I play a Spy."
"I don't have a deck at the moment, it's all in my hand or my discard pile."
"Well that's fine."
I heard this one from a guy when I played Swindler. "Right," I said, "so shuffle your discard. That's the general rule when you need a card from your deck."
"But *I* don't need a card from my deck. *You* do."
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I played against someone who thought in play and in your hand were the same thing. The interesting thing was that they had every set. I saw a couple of occasions where this caused problems.
Grand Market - They claimed you couldn't buy Grand Market if you had any Coppers in your hand.
Pilgrimage - They claimed you could gain victory cards with it if you had the said card in your hand.
Probably there are other cards they played wrong. Off the top of my head I can see potential issues with Horn of Plenty, Peddler, Conspirator, etc.
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I pulled off KC-KC-Br-Br-Br in a Colony game and took all provinces, and my opponent tried to continue to play thinking that emptying province in a colony game was not an end condition. Ironically, this was the same person who introduced me to Dominion.
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"I play a Spy."
"I don't have a deck at the moment, it's all in my hand or my discard pile."
"Well that's fine."
I heard this one from a guy when I played Swindler. "Right," I said, "so shuffle your discard. That's the general rule when you need a card from your deck."
"But *I* don't need a card from my deck. *You* do."
That's such a genius defence, I'd almost be inclined to let it stand!
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Playing treasures then playing Watchtower to draw. This happened in a real life tournament. There was no Black Market or Villa. Do not even try to justify this, dude.
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We never really "play" Treasures, we just flash our hands and buy something usually. This has lead to pseudo-Haunted Woods pins where my opponent keeps on topdecking his hand of 5 Copper.
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"I play Festival" (grabs two Coppers and puts them in play)
Weird... he didn't grab a Silver? I haven't seen in in person, but I've seen a few different people ask if "+(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/3/3d/Coin2.png/16px-Coin2.png)" meant to take a Silver.
Also, I've had people asking questions under the assumption that "+2 cards" meant to gain 2 cards.
Moat is way OP.
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"I play Festival" (grabs two Coppers and puts them in play)
Weird... he didn't grab a Silver? I haven't seen in in person, but I've seen a few different people ask if "+(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/3/3d/Coin2.png/16px-Coin2.png)" meant to take a Silver.
Also, I've had people asking questions under the assumption that "+2 cards" meant to gain 2 cards.
Moat is way OP.
But if I were able to go back in time and suggest changes to Dominion, one thing I'd suggest is replacing +X Cards with "draw X cards". Actions, Buys, and Coins these invisible resources, and they're fundamentally different from cards in hand. I think this change would make some cards' wordings more natural. Warehouse would be "+1 Action. Draw 3 cards, then discard 3 cards." I've actually had people gloss over "Discard 3 cards" on Warehouse before, but I bet they wouldn't if it were wrapped into the same sentence as the draw.
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I've dealt with most of the things people have mentioned already.
No, you can't shuffle yet.
No, don't discard that yet.
No, seriously, don't discard that yet.
You have to put that into play.
No, into play over there.
YOU CAN'T SHUFFLE YET
Wait, come back, I swear this game is so much fun!
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Was playing just now against someone who'd misread Forager; he thought it referred to differently named cards, rather than differently named treasures, in the trash.
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The first time I played with Saboteur, I thought the card gain was mandatory.
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Playing treasures then playing Watchtower to draw. This happened in a real life tournament. There was no Black Market or Villa. Do not even try to justify this, dude.
Storyteller!
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Was playing just now against someone who'd misread Forager; he thought it referred to differently named cards, rather than differently named treasures, in the trash.
Right, there was a time pretty early on when I forgot that Forager could trash cards other than treasures and trashed a Gold just to get the buy. I think I had junk cards in my hand at the time. I realized a few turns later that wasn't quite right.
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A couple month ago, in a real-life game, I played Trading Post, and proceeded to trash 2 cards, replacing them with 2 Silvers in my hand. I must have been getting it mixed up with Trade (which ironically I don't think I've ever played with). My opponent didn't catch it either; I suddenly realized it later in the game and let her know what I'd done.
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let her know what I'd done.
That sounds pretty dramatic.
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A couple month ago, in a real-life game, I played Trading Post, and proceeded to trash 2 cards, replacing them with 2 Silvers in my hand. I must have been getting it mixed up with Trade (which ironically I don't think I've ever played with). My opponent didn't catch it either; I suddenly realized it later in the game and let her know what I'd done.
That's when you break down and scream "I'M A FRAUD" and start sobbing and your friend just sits there confused
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Was playing just now against someone who'd misread Forager; he thought it referred to differently named cards, rather than differently named treasures, in the trash.
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let her know what I'd done.
That sounds pretty dramatic.
My 'let em know what I'd done' was when I was forgetting to discard with Plaza. I took a single curse to atone for my sins, which then started to jam my Hunting Parties.
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You don't have to discard with plaza. We're you taking tokens without discarding?
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You don't have to discard with plaza. We're you taking tokens without discarding?
Yep. It turns out Plaza is actually not a stronger Bazaar. Go figure.
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You don't have to discard with plaza. We're you taking tokens without discarding?
Yep. It turns out Plaza is actually not a stronger Bazaar. Go figure.
Those pesky Guilds cards. I remember the first time I played with Candlestick maker, the other player was playing them as if they were also +1 Card.
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Playing treasures then playing Watchtower to draw. This happened in a real life tournament. There was no Black Market or Villa. Do not even try to justify this, dude.
Storyteller!
Also, Crown.
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Playing treasures then playing Watchtower to draw. This happened in a real life tournament. There was no Black Market or Villa. Do not even try to justify this, dude.
Storyteller!
Also, Crown.
I don't believe this counts, as in that case, you're playing Crown as an action card, not Treasure.
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Playing treasures then playing Watchtower to draw. This happened in a real life tournament. There was no Black Market or Villa. Do not even try to justify this, dude.
Storyteller!
Also, Crown.
I don't believe this counts, as in that case, you're playing Crown as an action card, not Treasure.
Well you're playing it as an Action-Treasure card, as always. The type doesn't change regardless of timing.
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Playing treasures then playing Watchtower to draw. This happened in a real life tournament. There was no Black Market or Villa. Do not even try to justify this, dude.
Storyteller!
Also, Crown.
I don't believe this counts, as in that case, you're playing Crown as an action card, not Treasure.
You are still literally "playing Treasures, then playing Watchtower to draw".
Crown is always an Action - Treasure regardless of when it is played (e.g. it counts for Peddler). It just does a different thing depending on what phase it is played in.
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I've dealt with most of the things people have mentioned already.
No, you can't shuffle yet.
No, don't discard that yet.
No, seriously, don't discard that yet.
You have to put that into play.
No, into play over there.
YOU CAN'T SHUFFLE YET
Wait, come back, I swear this game is so much fun!
I just read this to my wife and she and I both got a good laugh out of it. It is so true. ;D
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Way back when, the first time my friends and I played with Horn of Plenty, we misread it as +$1 per differently named card, not gain a card costing $1 per differently named card. We were big fans of Horn of Plenty for the first couple games until we wondered, hey, how does this thing about trashing itself work...
Most of my friends seem to overlook the discarding with Young Witch. I think they assume the paragraph text is just the Bane stuff.
Another friend felt terrible when he realized he incorrectly top-decked some Treasuries.
I've accidentally trashed some opponents' Silvers after playing Highway and a Knight. (Cost reduction in general is prone to inadvertent rules mess ups.)
I've forgotten to take my player token bonuses when playing a card (only really mattered with +1 Card).
In most of my IRL games, no one else understands lose track rules, so I have prevented some mess ups there.
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People discarding Duration cards at the start of their next turn.
I seen one guy exclaim how awesome Duration cards are, how effects spanning past the turn you play them opens up new strategies, and he's excited to try them again!
He gets a lot of them, but keeps forgetting to leave them "durated"! Me and another player had to keep reminding him, "dude, you're missing out on the best part!"
Playing treasures then playing Watchtower to draw. This happened in a real life tournament. There was no Black Market or Villa. Do not even try to justify this, dude.
Storyteller!
Also, Crown.
I don't believe this counts, as in that case, you're playing Crown as an action card, not Treasure.
Well you're playing it as an Action-Treasure card, as always. The type doesn't change regardless of timing.
I stand corrected then!
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People discarding Duration cards at the start of their next turn.
I seen one guy exclaim how awesome Duration cards are, how effects spanning past the turn you play them opens up new strategies, and he's excited to try them again!
He gets a lot of them, but keeps forgetting to leave them "durated"! Me and another player had to keep reminding him, "dude, you're missing out on the best part!"
Not a rules mess-up, but whenever I play IRL with Scheme I always forget it's there by my cleanup phase, which obviously ruins the whole point.
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A friend of mine played dozens of 2-player games with the 4-player setup (i.e. 12 Provinces, 30 Curses!), and liked it either way.
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A friend of mine played dozens of 2-player games with the 4-player setup (i.e. 12 Provinces, 30 Curses!), and liked it either way.
I played a pair of games where we realized this mid game. The first time I got screwed out of a win, the second time it was my opponent who got hurt, so we figured it was fair :).
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That reminds me, once, in a three-player game, someone saw the 10 Curses that were set aside to not be used in the game and thought it was his discard pile. He didn't realize what happened until after the game was over.
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That reminds me, once, in a three-player game, someone saw the 10 Curses that were set aside to not be used in the game and thought it was his discard pile. He didn't realize what happened until after the game was over.
One of my friends was once sent to the hospital after a panic attack that was triggered by another friend accidentally putting a Ruin in her discard pile instead of the trash. True story.
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I've had opponents replace their discard pile with the trash pile.
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This thread should be renamed "My opponents are scatterbrained morons"
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I've had opponents replace their discard pile with the trash pile.
Yet another reason why the 2nd edition comes with a mat.
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At first I thought the mat was superfluous, seeing how I haw alwast played without it, but after seeing it in action, I do think it's quite a nice addition.
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I was talking about Dominion and my friend said he didn't like it because it was too easy to just generate an infinite action chain and never end your turn. (he was putting his played actions into his discard pile)
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In a 4p game, one person reminded everyone that Ruins get dealt out in turn order from the player who played the Cultist. I told him you guys put out too many Ruins. There's nothing that doesn't dole out exactly 3 Ruins per play, and there are no ways to individually block the Ruins. They were supposed to use only 30, not all 50 of the Ruins.
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Here's one that I think might not have been mentioned that I've seen a lot: people looking through their discards.
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Here's one that I think might not have been mentioned that I've seen a lot: people looking through their discards.
A few cards actually let you do that, which is cool.
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There are a lot of common ones I've seen:
-Thinking "+1 Card" gives you any card you want.
-Returning treausers to the supply when you play them.
-Taking treasures for virtual coins.
But my favorite is when a friend not only tried to convice me Kings Courting a Kings court plays an action 9 times, ut insisted he had looked it up online and it had been confirmed.
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There are a lot of common ones I've seen:
-Thinking "+1 Card" gives you any card you want.
-Returning treausers to the supply when you play them.
-Taking treasures for virtual coins.
But my favorite is when a friend not only tried to convice me Kings Courting a Kings court plays an action 9 times, ut insisted he had looked it up online and it had been confirmed.
Here, in Russia, in one official store there was a confirmation in FAQ that Throne rooming Throne Room allows you play an action 4 times. I contacted them and they fixed it.
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There are a lot of common ones I've seen:
-Thinking "+1 Card" gives you any card you want.
-Returning treausers to the supply when you play them.
-Taking treasures for virtual coins.
But my favorite is when a friend not only tried to convice me Kings Courting a Kings court plays an action 9 times, ut insisted he had looked it up online and it had been confirmed.
Here, in Russia, in one official store there was a confirmation in FAQ that Throne rooming Throne Room allows you play an action 4 times. I contacted them and they fixed it.
Also, in Russia, actions throne you!
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I've dealt with most of the things people have mentioned already.
No, you can't shuffle yet.
No, don't discard that yet.
No, seriously, don't discard that yet.
You have to put that into play.
No, into play over there.
YOU CAN'T SHUFFLE YET
Wait, come back, I swear this game is so much fun!
This.
Some mistakes don't matter much when certain cards aren't in the kingdom (like showing treasures instead of playing them), but it's always fun to specifically use cards where these things matter (mint, bank, bonfire, et cetera). It's the best solution I've found. Then people are like "oooooh, so THAT'S why we're putting that over there at that moment".
AND NO SECRET CHAMBER DOES NOT STOP ATTACKS. Blue means reaction, not stopping attacks.
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There's nothing that doesn't dole out exactly 3 Ruins per play, and there are no ways to individually block the Ruins.
Both of those statements are wrong. Death Cart gains 2 Ruins when you gain it. And Moat, Trader, Lighthouse, and Champion can all individually block Ruins. Um, or did you just mean in that specific game?
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AND NO SECRET CHAMBER DOES NOT STOP ATTACKS. Blue means reaction, not stopping attacks.
Yes, this is why I wish there were a Reaction in the base game other than Moat. Either the main set could have two Reactions or Moat could be in another set, I'm not picky. But this is a really common misconception.