Dominion Strategy Forum
Dominion => Variants and Fan Cards => Topic started by: werothegreat on January 18, 2017, 12:49:29 pm
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I was thinking about non-Supply cards, and was wondering if there would be an interesting way to gain one through an Event, rather than a Kingdom card (like Travellers or Hermit/Urchin). This is what I came up with:
Blood Offering
(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/7/7d/Coin5.png/16px-Coin5.png) - Event
Trash your hand. If you trashed 5 or more cards, gain an Avatar from the Avatar pile.
Avatar
(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/a/ae/Coin0star.png/16px-Coin0star.png) - Action
+2 Cards
+2 Actions
+2 Buys
+(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/3/3d/Coin2.png/16px-Coin2.png)
(This is not in the Supply.)
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This sounds interesting. It will probably play a bit like Donate in terms of having to build up first before you trash although you can obviously go for Donate far earlier as Blood Offering requires an already half-way decently running engine.
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The problem with that condition is that it will be very rare to do it more than once per game. You only start with 7 junk cards. The card itself is just a little better than Grand Market; and Grand Market is only good if you get several of them.
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The problem with that condition is that it will be very rare to do it more than once per game. You only start with 7 junk cards. The card itself is just a little better than Grand Market, and Grand Market is only good if you get several of them.
I agree, but calling this "A little better than Grand Market" is a real stretch, adding another card and another action makes it way better.
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The problem with that condition is that it will be very rare to do it more than once per game. You only start with 7 junk cards. The card itself is just a little better than Grand Market; and Grand Market is only good if you get several of them.
Uhhhh you start off with 10 junk. Have you been playing Dominion wrong all these years?
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The problem with that condition is that it will be very rare to do it more than once per game. You only start with 7 junk cards. The card itself is just a little better than Grand Market, and Grand Market is only good if you get several of them.
I agree, but calling this "A little better than Grand Market" is a real stretch, adding another card and another action makes it way better.
Yeah I missed the extra card part, was thinking it was just the extra buy and extra action.
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The problem with that condition is that it will be very rare to do it more than once per game. You only start with 7 junk cards. The card itself is just a little better than Grand Market; and Grand Market is only good if you get several of them.
Uhhhh you start off with 10 junk. Have you been playing Dominion wrong all these years?
Surely you wouldn't want to get rid of your precious Estates; they're worth points! I mean, yeah, I have no idea why I said 7. Ok, so you start with 10, but it would be really difficult to use this to trash exactly 5 of those each time to do it twice.
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The problem with that condition is that it will be very rare to do it more than once per game. You only start with 7 junk cards. The card itself is just a little better than Grand Market; and Grand Market is only good if you get several of them.
Uhhhh you start off with 10 junk. Have you been playing Dominion wrong all these years?
Surely you wouldn't want to get rid of your precious Estates; they're worth points! I mean, yeah, I have no idea why I said 7. Ok, so you start with 10, but it would be really difficult to use this to trash exactly 5 of those each time to do it twice.
I mean, the point is that they're not supposed to be easy to procure. Maybe it could be fewer cards trashed? I dunno.
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It seems like a cool idea. Would look great mocked up.
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The problem with that condition is that it will be very rare to do it more than once per game. You only start with 7 junk cards. The card itself is just a little better than Grand Market; and Grand Market is only good if you get several of them.
Uhhhh you start off with 10 junk. Have you been playing Dominion wrong all these years?
Surely you wouldn't want to get rid of your precious Estates; they're worth points! I mean, yeah, I have no idea why I said 7. Ok, so you start with 10, but it would be really difficult to use this to trash exactly 5 of those each time to do it twice.
I mean, the point is that they're not supposed to be easy to procure. Maybe it could be fewer cards trashed? I dunno.
I'm just thinking mainly that a card that's hard enough to procure that you'd almost never have more than 2 in your deck, and would not often have more than 1, should have an effect that isn't best when played multiple times. Laboratory and Grand Market want to be played multiple times in a turn, and so would this. But think of things like Prince, Hireling, Forge, Altar, Pillage... things that are good when played just once.
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The problem with that condition is that it will be very rare to do it more than once per game. You only start with 7 junk cards. The card itself is just a little better than Grand Market; and Grand Market is only good if you get several of them.
It is Grand Market plus Lost City. Powerful but as you pointed out, as it will be hard enough to just get one this is just a singular power card in your deck.
I'd also test this with "if you trashed 4 or more cards" to see how difficult it is to actually get one or two.
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The +2 Buys also give you an opportunity to collect more junk to trash.
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The +2 Buys also give you an opportunity to collect more junk to trash.
That might be fine if you weren't forced to trash your whole hand. Once you're past the start of the game, it doesn't matter if you have 5 Junk if you also have a card that you aren't willing to Trash.
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The +2 Buys also give you an opportunity to collect more junk to trash.
That might be fine if you weren't forced to trash your whole hand. Once you're past the start of the game, it doesn't matter if you have 5 Junk if you also have a card that you aren't willing to Trash.
Well, the Event itself is also a great way to just trash junk. I suppose there could be a line on Avatar, say "You may set aside a Victory card from your hand, face up. Discard it at the start of Clean-up this turn."
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I like the idea, but kinda wish the card that you get was less vanilla.
It's a good reason to open Encampment/Death Cart, though.
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The +2 Buys also give you an opportunity to collect more junk to trash.
The card is good but not worthwile to collect 5 junk just for the sake of trashing it and gain another Avatar.
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Well, the Event itself is also a great way to just trash junk. I suppose there could be a line on Avatar, say "You may set aside a Victory card from your hand, face up. Discard it at the start of Clean-up this turn."
Yeah I think the Event is a very limited way to trash Junk. You can't use it early because you have to get to (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/7/7d/Coin5.png/16px-Coin5.png) to buy it. And by the time you've used it once, the next time you have Junk in hand to trash you'll probably also have other non-Junk in hand you don't want to trash.
It might be actually fine if instead of trash your hand it were just trash any number of cards from your hand.
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I think as it is right now, you wouldn't lose much by taking out the Event part:
Avatar
(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/7/7d/Coin5.png/16px-Coin5.png) - Action
+2 Cards
+2 Actions
+2 Buys
+(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/3/3d/Coin2.png/16px-Coin2.png)
When you buy this, trash this or trash five cards from your hand.
But perhaps if instead of just Avatar, you had a small pile of such cards, analogous to the Prize pile? Of varying prices, with Avatar costing $5 and maybe some others costing less. Then...
Blood Offering
(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/5/5d/Coin0.png/16px-Coin0.png) - Event
Pay some amount of (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/6/6d/Coin.png/16px-Coin.png), then trash one card from your hand per (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/6/6d/Coin.png/16px-Coin.png) paid. If you do, gain a Boon (from the Boon pile) costing exactly the amount you paid.
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Mocked up, because why not:
(http://i.imgur.com/gP4oqdL.png) (http://i.imgur.com/662z83j.png)
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I think as it is right now, you wouldn't lose much by taking out the Event part:
Avatar
(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/7/7d/Coin5.png/16px-Coin5.png) - Action
+2 Cards
+2 Actions
+2 Buys
+(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/3/3d/Coin2.png/16px-Coin2.png)
When you gain this, trash your hand. If you trashed less than 5 cards, trash this.
Yeah, I think you should go with this version. It seems cleaner, though it is slightly different.