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Miscellaneous => Forum Games => Mafia Game Threads => Topic started by: ashersky on December 10, 2016, 03:56:54 am
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Welcome to RMM39: Kubo and the Two Strings Mafia by ashersky.
This game will use an Original Role Madness, Semi-Open, Semi-Blitz setup designed by ashersky.
There is no co-mod.
Sign ups are open.
1. LaLight
2. faust - Warden - Killed on Night 1
3. Archetype - Sister, Half-of-All-Trades - Lynched on Day 1
4. gkrieg13
5. Roadrunner7671 - Sister, Half-of-All-Trades - Lynched on Day 2
6. Eevee
7. Axxle - Raiden, the Moon King - Lynched on Day 3
8. Witherweaver
Game State Tracker:
Day 1 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16635.msg661494#msg661494) || Night 1 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16635.msg663574#msg663574)
Day 2 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16635.msg663785#msg663785) || Night 2
Day 3 || Night 3
The Rules:
The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.
The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay. If you are not sure about your paraphrase, ask the mod first.
4. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
5. All night actions must be submitted within 24 hours of day ending.
6. Players must post once every 24 hours.
7. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
8. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
9. Cryptography is not allowed.
10. The time between a lynch being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the lynched player.
11. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except their Role QT. A lynched player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
12. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.
The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may not vote: no lynch.
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone.
6. Lynch rules vary by the number of players alive. With 10 or more players alive, the player with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched. Ties are broken by coin flip. With nine or less players alive, if a majority lynch is not reached by the deadline, no lynch occurs.
The Rest:
1. Bold, maroon text is reserved for the Mod. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via PM or in your Role QT. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. One prod will be issued after 36 hours without posting in the game thread. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod, up to modkill.
Deadlines:
1. Days will last five IRL days.
2. Nights will last one IRL day.
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Setup Information:
Kubo Mafia is a semi-closed setup designed by ashersky, based on the film Kubo and the Two Strings. The following is all publically available information.
Town is denoted by this color and may be known by many names, including, but not limited to, the village, villagers, and Kubo and the forces of good.
The Mafia is denoted by this color and may be known by many names, including, but not limited to, the Moon King, the Sisters, Raiden, and the Moon King and the Sisters.
There are only two factions in this game.
Exactly one town player and all mafia players will have flavor names.
There are no personal QTs provided.
Town's win condition is:
You win when the Moon King and the Sisters have been eliminated and Kubo is still alive.
If Kubo ever dies, town immediately loses.
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Redacted setup information will be posted during Night 0.
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A reminder that this game is classified as advanced. That means that the actions and decisions of a single player can have a greater-than-normal impact on the game.
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/in If I am allowed.
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If the setup information (once filled out) is all that we get to know about the setup, then I'd have some reservations about classifing this as "semi-open".
Anyway /in
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If the setup information (once filled out) is all that we get to know about the setup, then I'd have some reservations about classifing this as "semi-open".
Anyway /in
I've always considered "semi-open" as having "some" public information instead of "no" public information. It's definitely not OPEN for sure. But there will be enough information made public, I think.
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We don't really have a good definition. But I feel like there should be some differentiation between games where we know that it has no SK and nothing else, and something like asher9++.
But that's probably a discussion for another time.
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/confirm
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/tag
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/in
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/tag
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/in
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/in if this doesn't start before Wednesday the 20th.
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/curious
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/curious
Welcome to the forums!
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Can't resist. In.
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/curious
I've read through some of the older games and think I understand the basics of the game, and have played in person previously. If that is sufficient I would like to play, but understand that I may not be eligible due to a lack of experience.
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/curious
I've read through some of the older games and think I understand the basics of the game, and have played in person previously. If that is sufficient I would like to play, but understand that I may not be eligible due to a lack of experience.
I've played in two games hosted by ashersky that were for experienced players, they were both craaaaaazy. Crazy fun. But still crazy.
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/curious
I've read through some of the older games and think I understand the basics of the game, and have played in person previously. If that is sufficient I would like to play, but understand that I may not be eligible due to a lack of experience.
I would honestly find a different game to sign up for when it opens. This game will be a very rough first game.
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We don't really have a good definition. But I feel like there should be some differentiation between games where we know that it has no SK and nothing else, and something like asher9++.
But that's probably a discussion for another time.
Semi-open should be one where we know that the setup is some subset of options.
I'll suggest "semi-closed" to be one where we know that the setup *is not* some subset of options.
So if we know 'there is no SK' i'd classify that as semi-closed.
/in
I need to fill the void that fantasy football will leave
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We don't really have a good definition. But I feel like there should be some differentiation between games where we know that it has no SK and nothing else, and something like asher9++.
But that's probably a discussion for another time.
Semi-open should be one where we know that the setup is some subset of options.
I'll suggest "semi-closed" to be one where we know that the setup *is not* some subset of options.
So if we know 'there is no SK' i'd classify that as semi-closed.
/in
I need to fill the void that fantasy football will leave
Wow, the end of 2016 is generous! Just read Philosophers mafia couple of weeks ago :)
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We don't really have a good definition. But I feel like there should be some differentiation between games where we know that it has no SK and nothing else, and something like asher9++.
But that's probably a discussion for another time.
Semi-open should be one where we know that the setup is some subset of options.
I'll suggest "semi-closed" to be one where we know that the setup *is not* some subset of options.
So if we know 'there is no SK' i'd classify that as semi-closed.
/in
I need to fill the void that fantasy football will leave
Wow, the end of 2016 is generous! Just read Philosophers mafia couple of weeks ago :)
I happened to see that comment and the previous comment earlier today and remembering that game got me craving more, haha.
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I like Semi-Closed.
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/curious
I've read through some of the older games and think I understand the basics of the game, and have played in person previously. If that is sufficient I would like to play, but understand that I may not be eligible due to a lack of experience.
I would honestly find a different game to sign up for when it opens. This game will be a very rough first game.
That is fair. I thought this might be a good one as it is small, I like the idea of it being a small game for it to be easier to keep track of, and wasn't a new player game, that didn't appeal to me as it looked very similar to the in person games I have played before.
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/in I will try to be active but may not post that much very busy right now. I will still read and post though
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/in I will try to be active but may not post that much very busy right now. I will still read and post though
That would be...a bad idea. No offense, but this game, if it's anything like Walking Dead or Dune 3, will barely even be mafia.
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/in I will try to be active but may not post that much very busy right now. I will still read and post though
That would be...a bad idea. No offense, but this game, if it's anything like Walking Dead or Dune 3, will barely even be mafia.
What do you mean?
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/in I will try to be active but may not post that much very busy right now. I will still read and post though
That would be...a bad idea. No offense, but this game, if it's anything like Walking Dead or Dune 3, will barely even be mafia.
+1, but let Ashersky decide.
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/in I will try to be active but may not post that much very busy right now. I will still read and post though
That would be...a bad idea. No offense, but this game, if it's anything like Walking Dead or Dune 3, will barely even be mafia.
What do you mean?
If you join this game, I will ask you to claim right away, as soon as the game begins. If you're scum, we'll know. If you're town, we'll know. ashersky games like this are beyond complicated. But like Lalight said, of course it's up to ashersky.
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I think I can do it but its the mod's choice don't care either way
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/in I will try to be active but may not post that much very busy right now. I will still read and post though
This is also a semi blitz game if you look at the deadlines so being active is kind of important
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/in I will try to be active but may not post that much very busy right now. I will still read and post though
This is also a semi blitz game if you look at the deadlines so being active is kind of important
I will still be active but just may not be posting as much but i think everyone's will be down because the holidays are coming up
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Sorry Jake, you'll need to sit this one out.
For all: it isn't necessarily the complexity of the setup that makes this game advanced; it's the size, deadlines, and opportunities to completely lose the game by yourself for anyone with any given post you make.
No pressure.
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Sorry Jake, you'll need to sit this one out.
For all: it isn't necessarily the complexity of the setup that makes this game advanced; it's the size, deadlines, and opportunities to completely lose the game by yourself for anyone with any given post you make.
No pressure.
It's fine
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Well Axxle is playing so I have to
/in
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And with that, we are full. PMs will go out over the next hour or so. Night 0 will begin then.
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Before this closes - do you already have a plan on how to handle the holidays? Five days might be a bit short if it's over Christmas.
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I had not planned to extend days or night for holidays.
If it looks like a day will run over a holiday that is celebrated by a majority of players, I'll consider a 24-hour extension of that day to cover the holiday.
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Thread locked to all players.
Tagging still allowed.
Any questions or concerns should be PMed to me directly.
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/tag
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/tag
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/tag
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/oh i already did
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Day 1 will begin in ~22 hours.
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/tag
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If you must blink do it now. Pay careful attention to everything you see and hear no matter how unusual it may seem.
Please be warned. If you fidget, look away or forget anything I tell you our hero will truly parish.
In a small village, deep in the rural Japan, a boy told his tale. He played the shamisen, enchanting the villagers. But as night fell, it was clear, a true danger existed within the silvery rays that shone down. What could they do to protect him?
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Day 1 begins now.
Eevee is Kubo.
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Vote Count 1.0:
Not Voting (8 ): LaLight, faust, Archetype, gkrieg13, Roadrunner7671, Eevee, Axxle, Witherweaver
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day One ends on December 19 at 3:10 p.m.
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So we probably start in a weird MYLO situation.
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Wow. Love it. Love it really. That's truly something. More puzzle than Mafia.
If everything goes normal (if it can go so), we have 2 mislynches at max. But I don't think we should risk it.
So, suggestions:
2 Mafia
Kubo is Bulletproof until something happens (or X-shot)
What good/bad can flavor claim give us?
What good/bad can role-claim give us?
Can we skip the RVS completely? :)
PPE: 2
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Hold on. Vote: LaLight
Request vote count
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Hold on. Vote: LaLight
Request vote count
I think 0 is a mistake...
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It could be a mistake, but crazy voting shenanigans isn't something I'd put past ashersky.
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It could be a mistake, but crazy voting shenanigans isn't something I'd put past ashersky.
How did you notice it? Are you scum with extra-voting powers? And now i am lynched?
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It could be a mistake, but crazy voting shenanigans isn't something I'd put past ashersky.
How did you notice it? Are you scum with extra-voting powers? And now i am lynched?
Yeah, I'm scum with extra voting powers who can insta lynch someone. That's balanced!
I noticed because I read the stuff.
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Vote Count 1.1:
LaLight (1): RR
Not Voting (7 ): LaLight, faust, Archetype, gkrieg13, Eevee, Axxle, Witherweaver
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day One ends on December 19 at 3:10 p.m.
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i was right :)
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i was right :)
You were right :P
Unvote I guess. I don't really care whether or not we go into RVS, but I don't want to start it.
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Eh, so I feel I know less about the setup than any of you - no idea what the other roles may be like!
I feel this is going to be very tough. From the amount of players, the natural inclination is that it would be very important to get a correct lynch day 1, but that's very difficult to achieve.
Hoping we'll get some clues already during the day! Like day powers, or some of you being masons, something!
If everyone just has one vote and there is no weirdness, and scum doesn't help us lynch each other, we are going to need four of the five townies (who aren't me) to vote correctly today. That's a tall order.
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Eh, so I feel I know less about the setup than any of you - no idea what the other roles may be like!
I feel this is going to be very tough. From the amount of players, the natural inclination is that it would be very important to get a correct lynch day 1, but that's very difficult to achieve.
Hoping we'll get some clues already during the day! Like day powers, or some of you being masons, something!
If everyone just has one vote and there is no weirdness, and scum doesn't help us lynch each other, we are going to need four of the five townies (who aren't me) to vote correctly today. That's a tall order.
We may consider no-lynch. Idk if it is dangerous or no.
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I didn't realize the whole eevee is kubo thing.
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I can already tell I'm going to love this game though.
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What's up.
So with 8 players with one player's death causing an auto loss for Town, there are probably only like 2 Mafia, I'd think?
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Yeah there have to be 2 Mafia.
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Okay, I'll begin some madness.
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Vote: RR
Vote: gkrieg13
What? Why? Where? When? ?
Non-nativement is killing me sometimes.
This game is short. And will be.
We should have all the chances to win.
[RETURN]
My cat stepped on the keyboard.
What? I don't have any cat.
What will be the start of D2 look like?
we will see after
This plan is impenetrable.
Read carefully.
Unvote
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I like have no idea what that is even supposed to imply
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I like have no idea what that is even supposed to imply
But it looks more like scum signalling to partners than anything else.
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Yeah, if that's a message to town you might want to make sure it's not nonsense.
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nah, no cryptography at all. Well, you may not mind it. But i'd love someone to understand what i meant there.
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Yeah, if that's a message to town you might want to make sure it's not nonsense.
It almost seems like he is marking us or something
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Unless some or all townies have a better chance of deciphering that than the mafia, remember that leaving anything like that ambiguous just means that if only scum solves it, they'll share it at night and only they'll know.
Also, I don't get it!
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Unless some or all townies have a better chance of deciphering that than the mafia, remember that leaving anything like that ambiguous just means that if only scum solves it, they'll share it at night and only they'll know.
Also, I don't get it!
kept that in mind, of course. Town has more chances to.
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I am thoroughly confused.
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Starting this game this: Drunk AMA.
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Starting this game this: Drunk AMA.
Normally I'd be like 'sweet!' but I'm a little apprehensive:
opportunities to completely lose the game by yourself for anyone with any given post you make.
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Starting this game this: Drunk AMA.
Normally I'd be like 'sweet!' but I'm a little apprehensive:
opportunities to completely lose the game by yourself for anyone with any given post you make.
I'm only mildy drunk you know. Typing is difficult, but it's not like I#ll lose the game or something. I'm a German; I can still think under the influence.
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I like have no idea what that is even supposed to imply
But it looks more like scum signalling to partners than anything else.
No.
Vote: gkrieg
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LaLight is pretty much obvtown.
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faust, what's your flavor name?
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faust, what's your flavor name?
A thing. I know nothing of this flavor but for all I know my flavor could be connected to m role and well we wouldn't want scum to know that now would we?
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"Exactly one town player and all mafia players will have flavor names." <- from the rules post.
I feel very dirty for trying a trap like this, but it's all publically available information and ashersky told us to be extra careful..
Does this look very bad for faust? i was assuming i would be the one town player with a flavor name.
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Did not actually look up my PM you know.
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LaLight is speaking in tongues. We're gonna need an old priest and a young priest.
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Does this look very bad for faust?
No, why would you even think that? Let me detail you tomorrow when I'm less tired how this is not a scum tell. In the meantime, it will be fun to see who jumps on this.
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Does this look very bad for faust? i was assuming i would be the one town player with a flavor name.
Maybe? It certainly doesn't look good for Faust.
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(/tag)
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I'll Vote: faust.
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Did not actually look up my PM you know.
Do you at least know your alignment?
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It could be a mistake, but crazy voting shenanigans isn't something I'd put past ashersky.
What did the VC look like before?
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It could be a mistake, but crazy voting shenanigans isn't something I'd put past ashersky.
What did the VC look like before?
Not Voting (0):
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If everyone just has one vote and there is no weirdness, and scum doesn't help us lynch each other, we are going to need four of the five townies (who aren't me) to vote correctly today. That's a tall order.
Having an IC helps
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It could be a mistake, but crazy voting shenanigans isn't something I'd put past ashersky.
What did the VC look like before?
Not Voting (0):
Well good, because I think Not Voting is town this game.
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If everyone just has one vote and there is no weirdness, and scum doesn't help us lynch each other, we are going to need four of the five townies (who aren't me) to vote correctly today. That's a tall order.
Having an IC helps
I don't know, I've heard conflicting reports on this guy.
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Does this look very bad for faust?
No, why would you even think that? Let me detail you tomorrow when I'm less tired how this is not a scum tell. In the meantime, it will be fun to see who jumps on this.
What does "fun" mean in this context?
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Does this look very bad for faust?
No, why would you even think that? Let me detail you tomorrow when I'm less tired how this is not a scum tell. In the meantime, it will be fun to see who jumps on this.
What does "fun" mean in this context?
It means he is the scumzorz.
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Vote Count 1.2:
gkrieg13 (1): faust
faust (1): Archetype
Not Voting (6): LaLight, gkrieg13, Eevee, Axxle, Witherweaver, RR
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day One ends on December 19 at 3:10 p.m.
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I don't know what to think of faust here. Definitely not the obv!scumslip everyone should jump onto though bad. Being town he's like has smth like "you are X" in the pm, and it's hard not to remember that you don't have flavor name regardless the flavor..
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I don't know what to think of faust here. Definitely not the obv!scumslip everyone should jump onto though bad. Being town he's like has smth like "you are X" in the pm, and it's hard not to remember that you don't have flavor name regardless the flavor..
Were the votes in your madness post actual reads or just part of the madness?
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I don't know what to think of faust here. Definitely not the obv!scumslip everyone should jump onto though bad. Being town he's like has smth like "you are X" in the pm, and it's hard not to remember that you don't have flavor name regardless the flavor..
Were the votes in your madness post actual reads or just part of the madness?
Partly both. I don't want to vote yet.
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Actually I'd vote RR. He looks like he isn't into speculating on the setup which is bad and his posts are far from usefulness.
Maybe I have one conf!town here, but I need to think and don't really want to share this, cause it's powerful piece of info.
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I have quite strong gut feelings for some reason I don't know yet.
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So here's what's what:
Everyone who has ever been scum with me - in fact, everyone who has ever read a mafia QT with me in it - knows I always spend N0 analyzing the setup, preparing fakeclaims. In a small game such as this, that would be even more important. There is not a lot of setup information to go around, and you can bet I would have read everything carefully. Meaning that as scum I would be more likely to remember that town does not have flavor names.
The second thing is obviously Eevee had some sort of purpose with his question. Don't you think I'd double-check as scum? Now I know I was mildly drunk and that was why Eevee thought he could slip me up, but does that fit with the scum play that you know from me?
The third thing is ongoing game stuff.
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Actually I'd vote RR. He looks like he isn't into speculating on the setup which is bad
Speculating would be purely speculating. I have no additional information at this time, and I really have no idea what we might see.
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I honestly do t know what to think of this game yet.
I don't think Faust is scummy for not checking g his QT when deciding to not claim when he is drunk
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I honestly do t know what to think of this game yet.
I don't think Faust is scummy for not checking g his QT when deciding to not claim when he is drunk
It's more that he didn't remember from the initial reading that he had no flavor name.
Which is by no means a slam dunk, but I do think it elevates the possibility of him being scum.
As in, at least sometimes townfaust! would have remembered "Hey, I have no flavor name!" when specifically asked for it (it's an unusual request, especially coming from me), either from an earlier readthrough of the role pm or from checking when I asked.
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As in, at least sometimes townfaust! would have remembered "Hey, I have no flavor name!" when specifically asked for it (it's an unusual request, especially coming from me), either from an earlier readthrough of the role pm or from checking when I asked.
I posit that scum!faust would have remembered this in more cases than town!faust.
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I honestly do t know what to think of this game yet.
I don't think Faust is scummy for not checking g his QT when deciding to not claim when he is drunk
It's more that he didn't remember from the initial reading that he had no flavor name.
Which is by no means a slam dunk, but I do think it elevates the possibility of him being scum.
As in, at least sometimes townfaust! would have remembered "Hey, I have no flavor name!" when specifically asked for it (it's an unusual request, especially coming from me), either from an earlier readthrough of the role pm or from checking when I asked.
I guess I'm not sure I would've remembered honestly.
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As in, at least sometimes townfaust! would have remembered "Hey, I have no flavor name!" when specifically asked for it (it's an unusual request, especially coming from me), either from an earlier readthrough of the role pm or from checking when I asked.
I posit that scum!faust would have remembered this in more cases than town!faust.
That's fair. And I get it, it's just that we have so little to go from, got to try something!
If other people have any opinions on this, or anything, speak your piece. We need something to kickstart solving this puzzle. I know as an IC I should lead, but I really have no idea.
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@faust: can you answer my questions?
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As in, at least sometimes townfaust! would have remembered "Hey, I have no flavor name!" when specifically asked for it (it's an unusual request, especially coming from me), either from an earlier readthrough of the role pm or from checking when I asked.
I posit that scum!faust would have remembered this in more cases than town!faust.
That's fair. And I get it, it's just that we have so little to go from, got to try something!
If other people have any opinions on this, or anything, speak your piece. We need something to kickstart solving this puzzle. I know as an IC I should lead, but I really have no idea.
I don't think its too unreasonable to think that scum didn't read the setup/read it quickly, saw that they themselves had a flavor name, and thus thought everyone else did too. The way he answered it also made it appear as if he definitely had a flavor name, but just didn't quite understand it - something a scum who was put on the spot that hadn't devised a fake claim yet would do.
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We don't have much time left.
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We don't have much time left.
Oh thats right. This is semi-blitz.
I don't have too good of reads on anybody yet...towny on Axxle and scummy on faust are really the only hunches Ive gotten.
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I think we should definitely try to lynch someone today. But I think a no lynch isn't too bad either.
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I think we should definitely try to lynch someone today. But I think a no lynch isn't too bad either.
This.
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I also agree we should either lynch or no lynch ::)
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I also agree we should either lynch or no lynch ::)
The point is that we must not think that the lynch is the only possible way.
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Did not actually look up my PM you know.
Do you at least know your alignment?
Yes.
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Does this look very bad for faust?
No, why would you even think that? Let me detail you tomorrow when I'm less tired how this is not a scum tell. In the meantime, it will be fun to see who jumps on this.
What does "fun" mean in this context?
Means we get stuff to analyze.
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@faust: can you answer my questions?
These were the questions, right?
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I'll Vote: faust.
Can you explain this vote?
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So reads. These we need.
LaLight is towny. All that weirdness in the beginning? I don't see that from scum!LaLight.
RR seems townish too. That's more of a gut feel I suppose.
WW is not doing anything, which sucks. I would lynch him for lurking since we can't have that in a semi-blitz.
Axxle is so far the nullest of nulls.
Archetype I'm reserving my judgment until I get a response.
Then there's gkrieg. Well we have this:
I didn't realize the whole eevee is kubo thing.
Which is a (possibly fake) townslip, because for sure scum would have paid attention to this, and certainly their roles are crafted in a way that reflects the special position Eevee has in this game. I dunno, gkrieg doesn't strike me as the type to fake townslips. But then his read on LaLight is very off. Scum signaling to their partners? No way, because that would always be more subtle. I don't see how you would get there.
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Would you prefer I
Vote: Faust ?
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So reads. These we need.
LaLight is towny. All that weirdness in the beginning? I don't see that from scum!LaLight.
RR seems townish too. That's more of a gut feel I suppose.
WW is not doing anything, which sucks. I would lynch him for lurking since we can't have that in a semi-blitz.
Axxle is so far the nullest of nulls.
Archetype I'm reserving my judgment until I get a response.
Then there's gkrieg. Well we have this:
I didn't realize the whole eevee is kubo thing.
Which is a (possibly fake) townslip, because for sure scum would have paid attention to this, and certainly their roles are crafted in a way that reflects the special position Eevee has in this game. I dunno, gkrieg doesn't strike me as the type to fake townslips. But then his read on LaLight is very off. Scum signaling to their partners? No way, because that would always be more subtle. I don't see how you would get there.
Scum is not always subtle by the way. Sometimes being flashy is the easiest way for people to not lynch you. Especially because they potentially just have to get 2lynches through
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Vote: WW
Contribute please...
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Seems like WW is hiding behind his meta actually.
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Seems like WW is hiding behind his meta actually.
He always does this though
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Seems like WW is hiding behind his meta actually.
He always does this though
Yes, but now more than usual. And we really need to speak, we don't have time/enough mislynches.
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Seems like WW is hiding behind his meta actually.
I don't even know what that means.
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Wow. Love it. Love it really. That's truly something. More puzzle than Mafia.
If everything goes normal (if it can go so), we have 2 mislynches at max. But I don't think we should risk it.
So, suggestions:
2 Mafia
Kubo is Bulletproof until something happens (or X-shot)
What good/bad can flavor claim give us?
What good/bad can role-claim give us?
Can we skip the RVS completely? :)
PPE: 2
Isn't suggesting flavor claim kind of odd, in light of that setup that apparently none of us read?
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Wow. Love it. Love it really. That's truly something. More puzzle than Mafia.
If everything goes normal (if it can go so), we have 2 mislynches at max. But I don't think we should risk it.
So, suggestions:
2 Mafia
Kubo is Bulletproof until something happens (or X-shot)
What good/bad can flavor claim give us?
What good/bad can role-claim give us?
Can we skip the RVS completely? :)
PPE: 2
Isn't suggesting flavor claim kind of odd, in light of that setup that apparently none of us read?
Eh, I don't know if you read it at all.
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Also we die if Eevee dies.
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It could be a mistake, but crazy voting shenanigans isn't something I'd put past ashersky.
So what was the point of all this?
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It could be a mistake, but crazy voting shenanigans isn't something I'd put past ashersky.
So what was the point of all this?
So that we knew if we'd be able to vote or not? It's pretty important
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So here's what's what:
Everyone who has ever been scum with me - in fact, everyone who has ever read a mafia QT with me in it - knows I always spend N0 analyzing the setup, preparing fakeclaims. In a small game such as this, that would be even more important. There is not a lot of setup information to go around, and you can bet I would have read everything carefully. Meaning that as scum I would be more likely to remember that town does not have flavor names.
The second thing is obviously Eevee had some sort of purpose with his question. Don't you think I'd double-check as scum? Now I know I was mildly drunk and that was why Eevee thought he could slip me up, but does that fit with the scum play that you know from me?
The third thing is ongoing game stuff.
I think you do all those things as town as well.
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It could be a mistake, but crazy voting shenanigans isn't something I'd put past ashersky.
So what was the point of all this?
So that we knew if we'd be able to vote or not? It's pretty important
I guess originally the names weren't on the vote count?
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It could be a mistake, but crazy voting shenanigans isn't something I'd put past ashersky.
So what was the point of all this?
So that we knew if we'd be able to vote or not? It's pretty important
I guess originally the names weren't on the vote count?
It said:
Not Voting (0): Roadrunner, Witherweaver, Lalight, etc.
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It could be a mistake, but crazy voting shenanigans isn't something I'd put past ashersky.
So what was the point of all this?
So that we knew if we'd be able to vote or not? It's pretty important
I guess originally the names weren't on the vote count?
There were.
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Then there's gkrieg. Well we have this:
I didn't realize the whole eevee is kubo thing.
Which is a (possibly fake) townslip, because for sure scum would have paid attention to this, and certainly their roles are crafted in a way that reflects the special position Eevee has in this game. I dunno, gkrieg doesn't strike me as the type to fake townslips. But then his read on LaLight is very off. Scum signaling to their partners? No way, because that would always be more subtle. I don't see how you would get there.
I thought that he was saying he just missed the post where Ashersky announced Eevee.
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It could be a mistake, but crazy voting shenanigans isn't something I'd put past ashersky.
So what was the point of all this?
So that we knew if we'd be able to vote or not? It's pretty important
I guess originally the names weren't on the vote count?
It said:
Not Voting (0): Roadrunner, Witherweaver, Lalight, etc.
Oh, I see.
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I honestly do t know what to think of this game yet.
I don't think Faust is scummy for not checking g his QT when deciding to not claim when he is drunk
It's more that he didn't remember from the initial reading that he had no flavor name.
Which is by no means a slam dunk, but I do think it elevates the possibility of him being scum.
As in, at least sometimes townfaust! would have remembered "Hey, I have no flavor name!" when specifically asked for it (it's an unusual request, especially coming from me), either from an earlier readthrough of the role pm or from checking when I asked.
I guess I'm not sure I would've remembered honestly.
Would have remembered..... if you didn't have a flavor name?
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I Think I do not want to lynch:
RR
LaLight
I think i would be okay lynching:
Gkrieg
Faust
I think there are other people playing the game as well.
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But those are only Axxle and Archetype. It's nullish there but Archetype > Axxle.
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Would you prefer I
Vote: Faust ?
Well, yes.
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Voting Faust is better than not voting Faust, guys. You heard it here first.
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I Think I do not want to lynch:
RR
LaLight
I think i would be okay lynching:
Gkrieg
Faust
I think there are other people playing the game as well.
Why me?
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Yeah, gkreig seemed weird to be there.
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I Think I do not want to lynch:
RR
LaLight
I think i would be okay lynching:
Gkrieg
Faust
I think there are other people playing the game as well.
Why me?
It's hard to say.. kind of an impression from your posts.
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Actually,
Vote: Gkrieg
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Why me?
It's hard to say.. kind of an impression from your posts.
So... gut?
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GKrieg is town
Don't do that.
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....
Unvote
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actually, Vote: faust
I've reread all this flavor name thing and I find it suspicious. Also, RR is on my radar. And null on Axxle and Arch.
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GKrieg is town
Don't do that.
My hero!
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Although I hope that doesn't mean that I was supposed to understand your confusing post earlier...
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Although I hope that doesn't mean that I was supposed to understand your confusing post earlier...
Eh
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vote: faust
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Is that three? Lynch is five?
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I've reread all this flavor name thing and I find it suspicious.
Why?
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Request vote count
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As far as I can see, nobody was so far able to put into words why I am scummy.
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Words are overrated.
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Words are overrated.
Yours are for sure.
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As far as I can see, nobody was so far able to put into words why I am scummy.
Well, let's see. You got a pm that said "hi man, you're a Vigilante blahblahblah"
You checked it and remembered you are vig. Fine.
Also I expect you to be experienced enough to read the setup and see noone has flavor names.
Then Eevee asks "Hey, what's your flavor name?" And you (being drunk or whatever) said you don't remember? Doesn't match.
Let's see you scum.
You got a pm "hey, man, you're moon king and deathproof, do whatever you want" (that's a joke, just for you understand me correctly). You were like ok, no need to read setup, Mafia is informed faction in this game
You were like "ha cool"
And then Eevee asks you flavor name and you're like "oh man i don't remember any fakeclaims Ash gave me what do i do let's say I'll claim afterwards". Matches.
Sorry for language, now i am a little drunk, but the reasons I gave were made being sober :P
PPE: 1
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As far as I can see, nobody was so far able to put into words why I am scummy.
Well, let's see. You got a pm that said "hi man, you're a Vigilante blahblahblah"
You checked it and remembered you are vig. Fine.
Also I expect you to be experienced enough to read the setup and see noone has flavor names.
Then Eevee asks "Hey, what's your flavor name?" And you (being drunk or whatever) said you don't remember? Doesn't match.
Let's see you scum.
You got a pm "hey, man, you're moon king and deathproof, do whatever you want" (that's a joke, just for you understand me correctly). You were like ok, no need to read setup, Mafia is informed faction in this game
You were like "ha cool"
And then Eevee asks you flavor name and you're like "oh man i don't remember any fakeclaims Ash gave me what do i do let's say I'll claim afterwards". Matches.
Sorry for language, now i am a little drunk, but the reasons I gave were made being sober :P
PPE: 1
Quick question - did you ever see me as scum?
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As far as I can see, nobody was so far able to put into words why I am scummy.
Well, let's see. You got a pm that said "hi man, you're a Vigilante blahblahblah"
You checked it and remembered you are vig. Fine.
Also I expect you to be experienced enough to read the setup and see noone has flavor names.
Then Eevee asks "Hey, what's your flavor name?" And you (being drunk or whatever) said you don't remember? Doesn't match.
Let's see you scum.
You got a pm "hey, man, you're moon king and deathproof, do whatever you want" (that's a joke, just for you understand me correctly). You were like ok, no need to read setup, Mafia is informed faction in this game
You were like "ha cool"
And then Eevee asks you flavor name and you're like "oh man i don't remember any fakeclaims Ash gave me what do i do let's say I'll claim afterwards". Matches.
Sorry for language, now i am a little drunk, but the reasons I gave were made being sober :P
PPE: 1
Quick question - did you ever see me as scum?
Personally no. I reread RMM20 (Dune 1) though.
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Did you also read the scum QT? Look here:
https://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/eesfu4TuKDcb
Then tell me this fits with the play you described above.
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Vote Count 1.3:
gkrieg13 (1): faust
faust (3): Archetype, LaLight, gkrieg13
Not Voting (4): Eevee, Axxle, RR, WW
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day One ends on December 19 at 3:10 p.m.
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unvote
Fine so the towns are me, LaLight, faust, eevee.
vote: Archetype
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unvote
Fine so the towns are me, LaLight, faust, eevee.
vote: Archetype
Why these people? Esp. faust.
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I'll Vote: faust.
Can you explain this vote?
As in, at least sometimes townfaust! would have remembered "Hey, I have no flavor name!" when specifically asked for it (it's an unusual request, especially coming from me), either from an earlier readthrough of the role pm or from checking when I asked.
I posit that scum!faust would have remembered this in more cases than town!faust.
That's fair. And I get it, it's just that we have so little to go from, got to try something!
If other people have any opinions on this, or anything, speak your piece. We need something to kickstart solving this puzzle. I know as an IC I should lead, but I really have no idea.
I don't think its too unreasonable to think that scum didn't read the setup/read it quickly, saw that they themselves had a flavor name, and thus thought everyone else did too. The way he answered it also made it appear as if he definitely had a flavor name, but just didn't quite understand it - something a scum who was put on the spot that hadn't devised a fake claim yet would do.
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I Think I do not want to lynch:
RR
LaLight
I think i would be okay lynching:
Gkrieg
Faust
I think there are other people playing the game as well.
Why would you not want to lynch RR?
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unvote
Fine so the towns are me, LaLight, faust, eevee.
vote: Archetype
Why the vote on me, gkreig? Is it just POE?
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unvote
Fine so the towns are me, LaLight, faust, eevee.
vote: Archetype
Why these people? Esp. faust.
Well faust should really be your only question in that list. Partially because I think that faust is valuable to the town even when he is scum. He is a brutal busser, so I think it is better to leave him alive either way.
The other reason is that he just seems townier with his last few comments. This is the kind of defending of himself that he does as town.
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unvote
Fine so the towns are me, LaLight, faust, eevee.
vote: Archetype
Why the vote on me, gkreig? Is it just POE?
That's the main reason. You just feel scummier than the other 3 people in my POE
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unvote
Fine so the towns are me, LaLight, faust, eevee.
vote: Archetype
Why the vote on me, gkreig? Is it just POE?
That's the main reason. You just feel scummier than the other 3 people in my POE
Okay, I've read faust's QT. My PoE says it's Vote: RoadRunner
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I Think I do not want to lynch:
RR
LaLight
I think i would be okay lynching:
Gkrieg
Faust
I think there are other people playing the game as well.
Why would you not want to lynch RR?
Because he looks like a town RR.
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unvote
Fine so the towns are me, LaLight, faust, eevee.
vote: Archetype
Why the vote on me, gkreig? Is it just POE?
That's the main reason. You just feel scummier than the other 3 people in my POE
Okay, I've read faust's QT. My PoE says it's Vote: RoadRunner
What?
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I don't think there's a reason to think gkreig isn't Town here. I don't think scum tries a gambit like that in a game like this. Disagree that leaving Faust alive if he is scum is a good idea. If you think someone is scum, you should want to lynch them.
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unvote
Fine so the towns are me, LaLight, faust, eevee.
vote: Archetype
Why the vote on me, gkreig? Is it just POE?
That's the main reason. You just feel scummier than the other 3 people in my POE
Okay, I've read faust's QT. My PoE says it's Vote: RoadRunner
What?
PoE:
Eevee > GKrieg >> Witherweaver > faust >> Axxle > Archetype >> RoadRunner
PPE: 1
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But what's the deal with Faust's QT?
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But what's the deal with Faust's QT?
Oh, nvm. I know what you're talking about.
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I don't, and that's what my question was.
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But what's the deal with Faust's QT?
He is much more self-aware when scum than I thought. I really got to understand, I've never quite see him as scum. Scum!Faust wouldn't do such a mistake with flavor names, never.
PPE: Sorry, I've already wrote the message, so i'll post it.
PPE: Read it.
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Oh, the QT to his other game.
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@LaLight: Why is WW towny?
@Everyone: Not saying I think Faust is scummy, but that QT is from over 2 years ago and presumably Faust wasn't drunk when he was in the scum QT. RMM 20 probably isn't the best reference.
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@LaLight: Why is WW towny?
@Everyone: Not saying I think Faust is scummy, but that QT is from over 2 years ago and presumably Faust wasn't drunk when he was in the scum QT. RMM 20 probably isn't the best reference.
hw was null due to meta, then i told him that and he came with much useful stuff.
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Sorry, I have nothing today, just going to sleep.
All this voting is good, we need this. We sort of need credible lynch threats that scum think might push through but that actually don't. This setup is brutal, so very difficult to lynch scum.
re: faust, i don't think an elaborate scum qt is any new information, it is known you are a thinker. Even the smart guys make careless mistakes sometimes, saying what you said is totally safe in 99/100 games. this just happens to be literally the only game I've ever been in where scum has flavor names and town doesn't.
i'll reread the game tomorrow and see if i can find something. i'm practically null on everyone right now, which is terrible (from me).
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Okay, 2 days left. I will be quite fine with lynching people under the radar (Axxle; Arch) or RR.
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Vote: Axxle sounds promising.
I guess I also feel good about lynching WW. I'm just really scared of scum!Axxle.
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Vote: Axxle sounds promising.
I guess I also feel good about lynching WW. I'm just really scared of scum!Axxle.
Sounds promising, right. Vote: Axxle
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Vote: Axxle sounds promising.
I guess I also feel good about lynching WW. I'm just really scared of scum!Axxle.
Why WW?
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Vote: Axxle sounds promising.
I guess I also feel good about lynching WW. I'm just really scared of scum!Axxle.
Why WW?
OMGUS mostly. I don't buy that he would actually think I am scummy for what happened as town.
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Axxle has not posted for >30 hours, so we may see a replacement here.
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Axxle has not posted for >30 hours, so we may see a replacement here.
2 days before deadline... Bad.
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Vote: Axxle sounds promising.
I guess I also feel good about lynching WW. I'm just really scared of scum!Axxle.
Why not RR?
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Vote: Axxle sounds promising.
I guess I also feel good about lynching WW. I'm just really scared of scum!Axxle.
Why not RR?
He seems townie.
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Okay, 2 days left. I will be quite fine with lynching people under the radar (Axxle; Arch) or RR.
I agree with under the radar.
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Prod: Axxle
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Reread a few of you (didn't take long, now is the time if ever!)
From scummiest to towniest:
Roadrunner > Archetype > gkrieg > WW
Axxle, it's hard to say with so little content, but I got a good, relaxed feeling.
I guess I'll reread the rest of the people as well next
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Reread a few of you (didn't take long, now is the time if ever!)
From scummiest to towniest:
Roadrunner > Archetype > gkrieg > WW
Axxle, it's hard to say with so little content, but I got a good, relaxed feeling.
I guess I'll reread the rest of the people as well next
The rest is me/faust?
People how do you feel about lynching RR?
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There is one thing about RR i really don't like but i can't tell now, I need his claim, so i need him at L-1
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There is one thing about RR i really don't like but i can't tell now, I need his claim, so i need him at L-1
Why do you keep gunning after RR?
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LaLight: Seems towniest of all, and would also get a pass just for his activity. Help me find scum, LL!
Faust: Not much, other than the debacle of the flavor that wasn't (or was it?).
I would slot him somewhere on the scummier side because I do think that mishap is more likely to come from scum (however much, maybe not so much), and because I would maybe expect town to panic more about becoming the lynch after that, whereas faust has maintained throughout that he has nothing to worry about because the whole thing is baseless (even if it is in reality, it's perception that matters in the game). That's a reaction I would expect from scum, because that's of course what scum would want everyone to think.
Another benefit for lynching faust, even if it's a semi-random lynch, is that he is like the only player people have taken stances on.
What do we think about a no lynch?
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There is one thing about RR i really don't like but i can't tell now, I need his claim, so i need him at L-1
Why do you keep gunning after RR?
This is interesting indeed.
Who does RR want to lynch?
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Vote Count 1.4:
faust (1): Archetype
Archetype (1): gkrieg13
Axxle (2): faust, LaLight
Not Voting (4): Eevee, Axxle, RR, WW
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day One ends on December 19 at 3:10 p.m.
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There is one thing about RR i really don't like but i can't tell now, I need his claim, so i need him at L-1
Why do you keep gunning after RR?
This is interesting indeed.
Who does RR want to lynch?
Axxele wouldn't be the worst, neither would faust. I'd want to reread WW before taking a stancd on him. I also think a no lynch wouldn't be the end of the world, but I'd prefer a lynch I think
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LaLight do you want to explain your Gkrieg thing?
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LaLight do you want to explain your Gkrieg thing?
Not now, not on D1 I suppose.
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There is one thing about RR i really don't like but i can't tell now, I need his claim, so i need him at L-1
Why do you keep gunning after RR?
The most uninformative posts out of all players (not including Axxle and Arch, they're under the radar), it's not usual for you.
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Reread a few of you (didn't take long, now is the time if ever!)
From scummiest to towniest:
Roadrunner > Archetype > gkrieg > WW
Axxle, it's hard to say with so little content, but I got a good, relaxed feeling.
I guess I'll reread the rest of the people as well next
If you think that LaLight is towniest, you have to think that I'm town as well.
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Reread a few of you (didn't take long, now is the time if ever!)
From scummiest to towniest:
Roadrunner > Archetype > gkrieg > WW
Axxle, it's hard to say with so little content, but I got a good, relaxed feeling.
I guess I'll reread the rest of the people as well next
If you think that LaLight is towniest, you have to think that I'm town as well.
+1
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There is one thing about RR i really don't like but i can't tell now, I need his claim, so i need him at L-1
Why do you keep gunning after RR?
The most uninformative posts out of all players (not including Axxle and Arch, they're under the radar), it's not usual for you.
You think it's unusual for me to mess around and not be the most helpful? ???
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There is one thing about RR i really don't like but i can't tell now, I need his claim, so i need him at L-1
Why do you keep gunning after RR?
The most uninformative posts out of all players (not including Axxle and Arch, they're under the radar), it's not usual for you.
It's unusual for you to mess around and not be helpful at all
FTFY
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Reread a few of you (didn't take long, now is the time if ever!)
From scummiest to towniest:
Roadrunner > Archetype > gkrieg > WW
Axxle, it's hard to say with so little content, but I got a good, relaxed feeling.
I guess I'll reread the rest of the people as well next
If you think that LaLight is towniest, you have to think that I'm town as well.
+1
Yeah! :) I so totally don't get whats going on, but yeah. Who do you think we should lynch?
LaLight, what's your confidence level on this gkrieg read?
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LaLight do you want to explain your Gkrieg thing?
Not now, not on D1 I suppose.
My concern is this: Since scum only need a couple mislynches to win (or maybe even one key one), the 'tying yourself to your partner' gambit has a bigger payoff.
It's not something I think is hugely likely, however.
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Reread a few of you (didn't take long, now is the time if ever!)
From scummiest to towniest:
Roadrunner > Archetype > gkrieg > WW
Axxle, it's hard to say with so little content, but I got a good, relaxed feeling.
I guess I'll reread the rest of the people as well next
If you think that LaLight is towniest, you have to think that I'm town as well.
+1
Yeah! :) I so totally don't get whats going on, but yeah. Who do you think we should lynch?
LaLight, what's your confidence level on this gkrieg read?
Well, 95-99%.
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Reread a few of you (didn't take long, now is the time if ever!)
From scummiest to towniest:
Roadrunner > Archetype > gkrieg > WW
Axxle, it's hard to say with so little content, but I got a good, relaxed feeling.
I guess I'll reread the rest of the people as well next
If you think that LaLight is towniest, you have to think that I'm town as well.
+1
Yeah! :) I so totally don't get whats going on, but yeah. Who do you think we should lynch?
LaLight, what's your confidence level on this gkrieg read?
Well, 95-99%.
About who we should lynch, I've told already. IMO RR is the scummiest, Axxle and Arch are under radar. Axxle is afk, so it's either Arch or RR for me.
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vote: RR
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I much prefer a Faust lynch, but would be OK with RR too. The only thing Faust has really said besides explaining himself is deflecting attention onto Axxle.
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Oh shoot, reading now
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vote: archetype
Also willing to vote Faust. Seems like some classic scumbuddy bussing/deflecting.
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Willing to trust the LaLight/gkrieg townteam.
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I can do a
Vote: Archetype
Deadline is tomorrow?
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Reasons?
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Vote Count 1.5:
faust (1): Archetype
Archetype (3): gkrieg13, Axxle, WW
Axxle (2): faust, LaLight
RR (1): Eevee
Not Voting (1): RR
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day One ends on December 19 at 3:10 p.m.
That's in ~36 hours.
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vote: archetype
Also willing to vote Faust. Seems like some classic scumbuddy bussing/deflecting.
I feel much better about voting for Axxle now.
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Vote: Arch, willing to switch to RE. Dunno about faust, he quite convinced me with that qt.
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Switch to RR
Also L-1
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Vote Count 1.5:
faust (1): Archetype
Archetype (3): gkrieg13, Axxle, WW
Axxle (2): faust, LaLight
RR (1): Eevee
Not Voting (1): RR
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day One ends on December 19 at 3:10 p.m.
That's in ~36 hours.
Also, I'm sure there's two town people on this wagon (me/gkrieg), so if Arch flips town Axxle and WW are on the radars.
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Vote: Arch, willing to switch to RE. Dunno about faust, he quite convinced me with that qt.
Why Arch? What about Axxle?
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Vote: Arch, willing to switch to RE. Dunno about faust, he quite convinced me with that qt.
Why Arch? What about Axxle?
Well, I don't really like voting for Axxle out of the fear he's scum and also he wasn't here for 30 hours and i gave him like d1 pass for now, cause I don't think scum!Axxle is lurky Axxle, too non-professional. Arch and RR are two options left.
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Everyone of you frightens me being scum, thanks god that Eevee is IC.
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Vote: Arch, willing to switch to RE. Dunno about faust, he quite convinced me with that qt.
Why Arch? What about Axxle?
Well, I don't really like voting for Axxle out of the fear he's scum and also he wasn't here for 30 hours and i gave him like d1 pass for now, cause I don't think scum!Axxle is lurky Axxle, too non-professional. Arch and RR are two options left.
Do you think town!Axxle is non-professional?
Axxle is anti-town and voting Arch for little to no reason. WW similarly. I mean Arch has not done a whole lot too, but both WW and Axxle are way way better lynches.
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Vote: Arch, willing to switch to RE. Dunno about faust, he quite convinced me with that qt.
Why Arch? What about Axxle?
Well, I don't really like voting for Axxle out of the fear he's scum and also he wasn't here for 30 hours and i gave him like d1 pass for now, cause I don't think scum!Axxle is lurky Axxle, too non-professional. Arch and RR are two options left.
Do you think town!Axxle is non-professional?
Axxle is anti-town and voting Arch for little to no reason. WW similarly. I mean Arch has not done a whole lot too, but both WW and Axxle are way way better lynches.
Town!Axxle is professional too, that's right. He'd post more, that's right too. Lurky Axxle is not alignment-indicative and lynching him for lurkyness is bad IMO.
Lynching WW = Lynching Arch in this case, but WW looks just more townie to me.
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If lynching WW = lynching Arch, then why did you say earlier that RR and Arch are the only two options?
Also can you explain what makes WW tonwie?
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If lynching WW = lynching Arch, then why did you say earlier that RR and Arch are the only two options?
Also can you explain what makes WW tonwie?
Well, I meant WW got suspicious after joining the wagon "from a little to no reason".
After my asking to contribute in #125 he really did something and all the 6th page belongs to him. That's a good contribution as I see it.
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If lynching WW = lynching Arch, then why did you say earlier that RR and Arch are the only two options?
Also can you explain what makes WW tonwie?
Well, I meant WW got suspicious after joining the wagon "from a little to no reason".
After my asking to contribute in #125 he really did something and all the 6th page belongs to him. That's a good contribution as I see it.
What about these contributions makes you think he's town? That he needed a prod to make them? Because that's usually a scum sign.
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If lynching WW = lynching Arch, then why did you say earlier that RR and Arch are the only two options?
Also can you explain what makes WW tonwie?
Well, I meant WW got suspicious after joining the wagon "from a little to no reason".
After my asking to contribute in #125 he really did something and all the 6th page belongs to him. That's a good contribution as I see it.
What about these contributions makes you think he's town? That he needed a prod to make them? Because that's usually a scum sign.
I just thought that if you're scum, you're perfectly making a madness and doubt in my head.
At least that WAS contribution. Reread Arch.
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I've seen no case on Arch but I also haven't seen him defend himself, which is scummy. I'd vote for him in the last few minutes of the deadline, but we have time.
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I would also vote for arch but I haven't been reading too closely. But I think I'm actually already voting for Arch so never mind
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I would also sheep eevee onto RR
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The one thing I don't like about the Arch lynch is that everyone just voted for him without reasons. That feels like it could be a scum driven wagon, but whatevs.
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The one thing I don't like about the Arch lynch is that everyone just voted for him without reasons. That feels like it could be a scum driven wagon, but whatevs.
But it can't be scum driven. 2of the people on the wagon must be town. So who is scum on the wagon?
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The one thing I don't like about the Arch lynch is that everyone just voted for him without reasons. That feels like it could be a scum driven wagon, but whatevs.
But it can't be scum driven. 2of the people on the wagon must be town. So who is scum on the wagon?
Axxel and WW!
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Well, ok. Let's see where we will come with Vote: WW
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vote: WW
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I'm working under the impression that both of you are town, or at least LaLight is, so this wagon is cool. Should I vote now though? If WW is town, scum could quick lynch, but I don't know if that's a real fear.
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Well, ok. Let's see where we will come with Vote: WW
Only madness lies down that road.
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I'm working under the impression that both of you are town, or at least LaLight is, so this wagon is cool. Should I vote now though? If WW is town, scum could quick lynch, but I don't know if that's a real fear.
Why would they quicklynch on day 1?
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I'm working under the impression that both of you are town, or at least LaLight is, so this wagon is cool. Should I vote now though? If WW is town, scum could quick lynch, but I don't know if that's a real fear.
For what the reason scum will quicklynch? oO
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I'm working under the impression that both of you are town, or at least LaLight is, so this wagon is cool. Should I vote now though? If WW is town, scum could quick lynch, but I don't know if that's a real fear.
Why would they quicklynch on day 1?
Cause then it would be 4 vs. 2 tomorrow and they might have special crazy powers. Weren't we treating this like MyLo?
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Do you have any reason to believe that's the case?
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Do you have any reason to believe that's the case?
I can Vote: WW if that makes you happy :)
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My call for scum team is Arch/Faust.
RR's show of concern about everything is making him seem scummier. Could just be RR, though.
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Do you have any reason to believe that's the case?
I can Vote: WW if that makes you happy :)
That's not an answer.
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My call for scum team is Arch/Faust.
:o ??? ???
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Do you have any reason to believe that's the case?
I can Vote: WW if that makes you happy :)
That's not an answer.
Well, since we're in RMM, I'm assuming that the scum team isn't 2 Mafia Goons. We've also been treating this like MyLo. At MyLo, scum would quick lynch, yes?
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We have not, and that assumption does not do anything by way of answering the question.
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My call for scum team is Arch/Faust.
:o ??? ???
Nothing surprising. I'm keeping an eye on faust too.
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My call for scum team is Arch/Faust.
:o ??? ???
Never mind, I re-remembered that thing where he scum slipped.
PPE-yeah
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If lynching WW = lynching Arch, then why did you say earlier that RR and Arch are the only two options?
Also can you explain what makes WW tonwie?
Well, I meant WW got suspicious after joining the wagon "from a little to no reason".
After my asking to contribute in #125 he really did something and all the 6th page belongs to him. That's a good contribution as I see it.
What about these contributions makes you think he's town? That he needed a prod to make them? Because that's usually a scum sign.
I just thought that if you're scum, you're perfectly making a madness and doubt in my head.
At least that WAS contribution. Reread Arch.
I'd be with you in a larger game, but here I don't think we can afford to lynch purely for lurking.
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Well, ok. Let's see where we will come with Vote: WW
Only madness lies down that road.
I like madness. Vote: WW
This should be L-1.
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Well, to sum up my thoughts:
1) Eevee, me, gkrieg are ICs
2) Arch and WW definitely are not in the same team.
3) one of faust/RR is the partner of Arch/WW
4) Axxle? Eh, too null. Please, come and help us!
PPE: 3
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If lynching WW = lynching Arch, then why did you say earlier that RR and Arch are the only two options?
Also can you explain what makes WW tonwie?
Well, I meant WW got suspicious after joining the wagon "from a little to no reason".
After my asking to contribute in #125 he really did something and all the 6th page belongs to him. That's a good contribution as I see it.
What about these contributions makes you think he's town? That he needed a prod to make them? Because that's usually a scum sign.
I just thought that if you're scum, you're perfectly making a madness and doubt in my head.
At least that WAS contribution. Reread Arch.
I'd be with you in a larger game, but here I don't think we can afford to lynch purely for lurking.
So why do you want to lynch Axxle then?!
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How confident are you about point 3?
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How confident are you about point 3?
More confident than in p.2. Actually this is a good question, wait a sec
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So we probably start in a weird MYLO situation.
THIS! Here's why I thought we were treating the game like MyLo! I knew someone said it! Gkrieg planted the seed and I've been thinking like that ever since! I'm not crazy!
PPE
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Well, to sum up my thoughts:
1) Eevee, me, gkrieg are ICs 97% sure (gkrieg)
2) Arch and WW definitely are not in the same team. 75% sure
3) one of faust/RR is the partner of Arch/WW 80% sure
4) Axxle? Eh, too null. Please, come and help us! ?% sure
PPE: 1
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I'm more sure about faust/RR because both seem more scummy than null, but less sure in Arch and WW because actually they could be both town if we take Axxle into consideration.
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I missed Faust posting twice. So WW is at L-1. I don't think he should claim until someone intends to hammer but that might just be me.
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I don't think I've ever been lynched Day 1 before.
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I'm more sure about faust/RR because both seem more scummy than null, but less sure in Arch and WW because actually they could be both town if we take Axxle into consideration.
hoW hAvE I bEEn sCumMy?
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Hmmm... my loss would be detrimental.
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I'm more sure about faust/RR because both seem more scummy than null, but less sure in Arch and WW because actually they could be both town if we take Axxle into consideration.
hoW hAvE I bEEn sCumMy?
Well, apart of the thing I've said about your non-informativity at all, you're also seeming too eager for lynch and jump to the wagons ultra-quickly.
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1) Eevee, me, gkrieg are ICs 97% sure (gkrieg)
Err... I thought you info was definite? If not, it would be kind of nice if you could deliver more details.
2) Arch and WW definitely are not in the same team. 75% sure
Fair enough, though I'd like to know how you reach this conclusion.
3) one of faust/RR is the partner of Arch/WW 80% sure
I guess this makes sense with your other assumption... the only thing that doesn't make sense is that this has a higher degree of certainty than 2 ;)
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I'm more sure about faust/RR because both seem more scummy than null, but less sure in Arch and WW because actually they could be both town if we take Axxle into consideration.
hoW hAvE I bEEn sCumMy?
Well, apart of the thing I've said about your non-informativity at all, you're also seeming too eager for lynch and jump to the wagons ultra-quickly.
Also, your shiftkey isn't working again.
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I missed Faust posting twice. So WW is at L-1. I don't think he should claim until someone intends to hammer but that might just be me.
I don't think that it might be you considering that are already voting for him.
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1) Eevee, me, gkrieg are ICs 97% sure (gkrieg)
Err... I thought you info was definite? If not, it would be kind of nice if you could deliver more details.
2) Arch and WW definitely are not in the same team. 75% sure
Fair enough, though I'd like to know how you reach this conclusion.
3) one of faust/RR is the partner of Arch/WW 80% sure
I guess this makes sense with your other assumption... the only thing that doesn't make sense is that this has a higher degree of certainty than 2 ;)
1) Well, I haven't seen gkrieg's pm or mod-confirming, so I can't say 100% there, that's all. No details, not now.
2) WW jumping on a wagon. Scum wouldn't bus so blatantly (if this is a word) and therefore they aren't two scums. But both are quite scummy and with a little probability both are town. That's what my conclusion for.
3) I explained that after.
PPE: 1
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Oh I guess we have until tomorrow.
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Gkrieg, does LaLight's statement that you're town indicate to you that he is town, or do you think so from his play besides that?
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I missed Faust posting twice. So WW is at L-1. I don't think he should claim until someone intends to hammer but that might just be me.
I don't intend to hammer someone who's biggest knock against them is agreeing with my reads
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*whose
... I think?
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Catching up.
I'm working under the impression that both of you are town, or at least LaLight is, so this wagon is cool. Should I vote now though? If WW is town, scum could quick lynch, but I don't know if that's a real fear.
Being worried of quicklynches day 1 gives me a bad feeling, even in a game where we can afford less mislynches.
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1) Eevee, me, gkrieg are ICs 97% sure (gkrieg)
Err... I thought you info was definite? If not, it would be kind of nice if you could deliver more details.
Please don't role fish
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Catching up.
I'm working under the impression that both of you are town, or at least LaLight is, so this wagon is cool. Should I vote now though? If WW is town, scum could quick lynch, but I don't know if that's a real fear.
Being worried of quicklynches day 1 gives me a bad feeling, even in a game where we can afford less mislynches.
I'm gonna agree here.
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I'm more sure about faust/RR because both seem more scummy than null, but less sure in Arch and WW because actually they could be both town if we take Axxle into consideration.
hoW hAvE I bEEn sCumMy?
Well, apart of the thing I've said about your non-informativity at all, you're also seeming too eager for lynch and jump to the wagons ultra-quickly.
Sheeping town reads isnt scummy, which is what he seems to be doing. Although being fast with his votes plus being worried about quick lynches is absolutely antitown.
Haven't really read anything that indicates I'm wrong about the Faust/arch scumteam.
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Actually I just quickly looked at RRs post history, he only voted once I think
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Vote Count 1.6:
faust (1): Archetype
Archetype (2): Axxle, WW
RR (1): Eevee
WW (4): LaLight, gkrieg13, RR, faust
Not Voting (0):
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day One ends on December 19 at 3:10 p.m.
That's in ~24 hours.
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Every wagon was super-quick to fill. What does that mean?
Eevee, I need your help here.
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Or gkrieg.
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Axxle and WW on Arch's wagon.
RR and faust on WW's wagon.
Eh. Everyone is like scummy...
No lynch maybe?
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I don't think No Lynch is a good idea.
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I don't think No Lynch is a good idea.
Why?
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I think it's because people are worried about their own behinds, we have so little to go on, I really don't think we can "catch" anyone. Everyone just wants to live, and scum wants to kill anyone townie they can.
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Hmm... maybe a massclaim could be interesting.
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I don't think No Lynch is a good idea.
Why?
Well, it usually is not. Especially Day 1. Info is important, and PoE pool is already small.
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Who'd you be comfortable removing from the consideration for today at least?
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1) Eevee, me, gkrieg are ICs 97% sure (gkrieg)
Err... I thought you info was definite? If not, it would be kind of nice if you could deliver more details.
Please don't role fish
I thought from LaLight's earlier post that gkrieg was mod-confirmed town to him. If that is not the case, then that's highly relevant information. If you call that role fishing, then yes, I will continue to rolefish.
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I assumed LaLight and gkrieg are in a neighborhood and gkrieg claimed his role or something.
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I assumed LaLight and gkrieg are in a neighborhood and gkrieg claimed his role or something.
No, and stop assuming please, I'll tell you all later!
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That is to say: one of you is mod-confirmed to me and I have 95% opinion this is gkrieg. The more the game goes the more I am sure.
vote: faust I don't see why you are continuing pushing on this. The only explanation is that you see me/gkrieg as scums which is strange.
And RR continues doing so too. Argh!
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I assumed LaLight and gkrieg are in a neighborhood and gkrieg claimed his role or something.
If that was the case, I'd say so. There are reasons, reasons, reasons why i don't claim.
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That is to say: one of you is mod-confirmed to me and I have 95% opinion this is gkrieg. The more the game goes the more I am sure.
vote: faust I don't see why you are continuing pushing on this. The only explanation is that you see me/gkrieg as scums which is strange.
And RR continues doing so too. Argh!
I don't think you're scum, but I don't trust your ability to draw the right conclusions from the information given to you (sorry).
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I mean we probably don't need to figure this out right away. But imagine that you would die the following night, and then (prior to your post) we'd all have thought that gkrieg was 100 % IC. That's not good if it is not actually true.
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That is to say: one of you is mod-confirmed to me and I have 95% opinion this is gkrieg. The more the game goes the more I am sure.
vote: faust I don't see why you are continuing pushing on this. The only explanation is that you see me/gkrieg as scums which is strange.
And RR continues doing so too. Argh!
I don't think you're scum, but I don't trust your ability to draw the right conclusions from the information given to you (sorry).
Oh, sure. I can see why you think so. But, please, believe me this time, just put all your belief on me being adequate, attentive, logically-valid. If I will be wrong, I'll say so immediately, and you will agree, you'd make the same thing.
Unvote
I'm very inclined for voting RR for speculations and trying to solve things that townie person says not to solve
PPE: This is considered by me fully.
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Vote: RR, shoot this, I was seeing him as scum the whole D1.
I'm off to bed.
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Earlier you voted for me for not speculating. Now you're voting for me because I speculated
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I'm very inclined for voting RR for speculations and trying to solve things that townie person says not to solve
Scum!RR could just put his theory in the scum QT. I see no reason for why this would make him scummy.
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I'm very inclined for voting RR for speculations and trying to solve things that townie person says not to solve
Scum!RR could just put his theory in the scum QT. I see no reason for why this would make him scummy.
Was that a scumslip?
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My lynch preferences right now are
WW > Axxle >> Arch >> RR >> LaLight > gkrieg
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I'm very inclined for voting RR for speculations and trying to solve things that townie person says not to solve
Scum!RR could just put his theory in the scum QT. I see no reason for why this would make him scummy.
Was that a scumslip?
No?
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I'm pretty sure LaLight is telling the truth. Because of reasons.
If LaLight dies I will tell you guys everything anyway
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Axxle and WW on Arch's wagon.
RR and faust on WW's wagon.
Eh. Everyone is like scummy...
No lynch maybe?
faust didn't gain any traction...
Leave gkreig/LaLight's claim be. No way that they are both scum and I am honestly starting to doubt either of them are. I don't understand the sudden WW votes and am even moreso willing to lynch RR because of his role fishing. Plus, LaLight makes a good point him being fairly eager to jump on wagons.
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Will the five non ICs put together a scum to town list?
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Every wagon was super-quick to fill. What does that mean?
Eevee, I need your help here.
Town is confident and scum are scared.
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I don't think No Lynch is a good idea.
Why?
With strong townreads, it doesn't really make sense unless PRs are superpowered. One of the only things we're certain to get is the kill, and that'd be obvious.
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Hmm... maybe a massclaim could be interesting.
I would not participate in a mass claim Day 1. Seems too dangerous if our objective is to protect Eevee.
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Hmm... maybe a massclaim could be interesting.
I would not participate in a mass claim Day 1. Seems too dangerous if our objective is to protect Eevee.
Well, I have a reason, but I kind of assumed people wouldn't go along with it.
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Will the five non ICs put together a scum to town list?
Scum > town
Faust = Arch >> RR > WW > gkreig > LaLight >>> Espeon
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Will the five non ICs put together a scum to town list?
Scum > town
Faust = Arch >> RR > WW > gkreig > LaLight >>> Espeon
Man. Don't know what to think about exactly aligning with Axxle:
Faust = Arch >> RR > Axxle > gkreig > LaLight
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I'm pretty sure LaLight is telling the truth. Because of reasons.
If LaLight dies I will tell you guys everything anyway
This is exactly why i don't say everything now and not afraid of dying :)
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So, 15 hours left, huh? I like how everyone is quite okay with lynching anyone. I don't know actually. faust is a good variant, Arch too (and RR tbh). I'm okay with giving WW and Axxle d1 pass.
gkrieg, you must be here, what do you think?
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So, 15 hours left, huh? I like how everyone is quite okay with lynching anyone. I don't know actually. faust is a good variant, Arch too (and RR tbh). I'm okay with giving WW and Axxle d1 pass.
gkrieg, you must be here, what do you think?
I kind of want to see everyone's list. Then I'm fine with lynching most anyone.
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So, 15 hours left, huh? I like how everyone is quite okay with lynching anyone. I don't know actually. faust is a good variant, Arch too (and RR tbh). I'm okay with giving WW and Axxle d1 pass.
gkrieg, you must be here, what do you think?
I kind of want to see everyone's list. Then I'm fine with lynching most anyone.
So, Arch and RR left
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Will the five non ICs put together a scum to town list?
Faust > RR >> WW > Axxle >> LaLight >>> gkreig
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Everyone has me on top of their scum list (why?), but nobody wants to vote for me.... curious. Are they afraid of what happens if they do?
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Everyone has me on top of their scum list (why?), but nobody wants to vote for me.... curious. Are they afraid of what happens if they do?
What happens if i do?
vote: faust
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Everyone has me on top of their scum list (why?), but nobody wants to vote for me.... curious. Are they afraid of what happens if they do?
What happens if i do?
vote: faust
Bad things is what will happen.
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Everyone has me on top of their scum list (why?), but nobody wants to vote for me.... curious. Are they afraid of what happens if they do?
What happens if i do?
vote: faust
Bad things is what will happen.
Bad for who? You, Moon King?
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I'm here now, sorry for being away yesterday. Anyone else on yet?
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I'm here now, sorry for being away yesterday. Anyone else on yet?
Yup, I'm here till the deadline with some breaks :) midworkday :]
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I guess I look something like:
WW=Faust > Axxle > Archeype >>>> LaLight = Gkreig
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Noone has a case on me, do they?
For the record, I checked back my role PM, and the role name I have is strongly flavored, so it's no surprise that in my head I felt as though I had a flavor name.
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Noone has a case on me, do they?
For the record, I checked back my role PM, and the role name I have is strongly flavored, so it's no surprise that in my head I felt as though I had a flavor name.
Well, if you are talking about kind of "strong" case, no one has a case on anyone. But somehow everyone put your on the top of their scumread.
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RR not getting any traction yet makes me feel better about that lynch.
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RR not getting any traction yet makes me feel better about that lynch.
You mean RR lynch? What about faust?
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RR not getting any traction yet makes me feel better about that lynch.
You mean RR lynch? What about faust?
Yes.
I don't feel faust has been scummy other than the incident. You think that should be enough?
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RR not getting any traction yet makes me feel better about that lynch.
You mean RR lynch? What about faust?
Yes.
I don't feel faust has been scummy other than the incident. You think that should be enough?
Thing is: RR is always scummy, faust is always townie, not regarding the alignment. We may always lynch RR later, I don't think he did something more scummy than usually on D1 actually. faust scares me more.
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Vote: faust
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Vote Count 1.7:
faust (3): Archetype, LaLight, Eevee
Archetype (2): Axxle, WW
WW (3): gkrieg13, RR, faust
Not Voting (0):
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day One ends on December 19 at 3:10 p.m.
That's in ~7 hours.
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I feel like either me or gkrieg will be the targets for tonight obviously and i really hope that Mafia doesn't have double-kill (for some reason)
PPE: 1
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Not really a fan of the WW wagon just because of the people on it.
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Not really a fan of the WW wagon just because of the people on it.
Huh, I see.
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Noone has a case on me, do they?
For the record, I checked back my role PM, and the role name I have is strongly flavored, so it's no surprise that in my head I felt as though I had a flavor name.
Also this looks like faust rereading/breadcrumbing the fakeclaim...
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Noone has a case on me, do they?
For the record, I checked back my role PM, and the role name I have is strongly flavored, so it's no surprise that in my head I felt as though I had a flavor name.
Didn't you originally say you hadn't checked your PM?
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Did not actually look up my PM you know.
Or I guess you said that you didn't re-check it here.
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Looking back over faust's post this game, I'm even more confident with my vote on him.
I'm very inclined for voting RR for speculations and trying to solve things that townie person says not to solve
Scum!RR could just put his theory in the scum QT. I see no reason for why this would make him scummy.
Was that a scumslip?
No?
I think RR was on to something here. RR could only put that theory in his scum QT if he had Daychat...which Faust seems to think scum does except I reread the setup post and it said nothing about that.
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.. why did he necessarily not mean during the night phase?
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I think I want to lynch axxle if we have the votes.
vote: axxle
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I think I want to lynch axxle if we have the votes.
vote: axxle
Why?
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RR not getting any traction yet makes me feel better about that lynch.
You mean RR lynch? What about faust?
Yes.
I don't feel faust has been scummy other than the incident. You think that should be enough?
Thing is: RR is always scummy, faust is always townie, not regarding the alignment. We may always lynch RR later, I don't think he did something more scummy than usually on D1 actually. faust scares me more.
So I'm always townie with any alignment and we should lynch me because I'm scummy ???
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Looking back over faust's post this game, I'm even more confident with my vote on him.
I'm very inclined for voting RR for speculations and trying to solve things that townie person says not to solve
Scum!RR could just put his theory in the scum QT. I see no reason for why this would make him scummy.
Was that a scumslip?
No?
I think RR was on to something here. RR could only put that theory in his scum QT if he had Daychat...which Faust seems to think scum does except I reread the setup post and it said nothing about that.
Er no, I was thinking he could wait until night start.
Wow it's amazing how much you can scumslip as town.
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So Eevee, at what point do you think I should claim? How long will people be around to change their vote? I think I will be around until like 1 hour before deadline.
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RR not getting any traction yet makes me feel better about that lynch.
You mean RR lynch? What about faust?
Yes.
I don't feel faust has been scummy other than the incident. You think that should be enough?
Thing is: RR is always scummy, faust is always townie, not regarding the alignment. We may always lynch RR later, I don't think he did something more scummy than usually on D1 actually. faust scares me more.
So I'm always townie with any alignment and we should lynch me because I'm scummy ???
You always look townie and even if you do something scummy you then tell things that let you go out of that. But still scummy things are there.
PPE: 1
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You always look townie and even if you do something scummy you then tell things that let you go out of that. But still scummy things are there.
PPE: 1
So I'm on top of everyone's scum list because I'm so towny?
I'm really good at this :)
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You always look townie and even if you do something scummy you then tell things that let you go out of that. But still scummy things are there.
PPE: 1
So I'm on top of everyone's scum list because I'm so towny?
I'm really good at this :)
I don't even want to fight you in this conversation, you're obv. better in this that I am. Sometimes too towny is scummy. Sometimes correcting scummy things and explaining them doesn't make you town. Sometimes gut feel right.
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I'm preferring Arch over Faust.
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I'm preferring Arch over Faust.
Cause he's your scumbuddy?
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I'm preferring Arch over Faust.
Cause he's your scumbuddy?
Exactly.
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I'm preferring Arch over Faust.
Cause he's your scumbuddy?
Exactly.
Well, I used "he" as a little trap (?) here and WW didn't ask me who I mean there... I'd even call this a scumslip, if that wouldn't be WW.
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That's funny, because my initial response was going to be 'which one?', but this response amused me more.
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That's funny, because my initial response was going to be 'which one?', but this response amused me more.
Oh, of course, what else would you say now. Why Arch?
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That's funny, because my initial response was going to be 'which one?', but this response amused me more.
Maybe Arch is your scumbuddy and you're bussing him knowing his lynch won't happen... Or if it will happen you'll look better too.
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That's funny, because my initial response was going to be 'which one?', but this response amused me more.
Oh, of course, what else would you say now. Why Arch?
He's more background, which is how I imagine scum would play this setup. Faust's recent interactions have seemed on the townier side, though with Faust it's difficult.
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That's funny, because my initial response was going to be 'which one?', but this response amused me more.
Maybe Arch is your scumbuddy and you're bussing him knowing his lynch won't happen... Or if it will happen you'll look better too.
Excellent theory. Let's lynch him and find out.
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How bad would it be for you to claim? If it's a role that doesn't get too much weaker, I think you could claim already. Hard to say for me what the downsides could be since i have no idea what the roles are like.
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Also Arch getting 'more confident' of Faust was kind of odd, and the 'slip' thing is... forced.
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Also Arch getting 'more confident' of Faust was kind of odd, and the 'slip' thing is... forced.
Problem is that I've seen Arch town only once... in RMM7. Long, long ago. Then he was SK in RMM35 I've played. And he was I think more active there.
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I want axxle because his wagon picked up the least amount of interest, where all other wagons have had people jump on them pretty quickly
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I want axxle because his wagon picked up the least amount of interest, where all other wagons have had people jump on them pretty quickly
But if we only have two scum, there's only one potential busser, so that effect may not be so great. Though on the other hand that could be mitigated by scum wanting to bus less here.
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Looking back over faust's post this game, I'm even more confident with my vote on him.
I'm very inclined for voting RR for speculations and trying to solve things that townie person says not to solve
Scum!RR could just put his theory in the scum QT. I see no reason for why this would make him scummy.
Was that a scumslip?
No?
I think RR was on to something here. RR could only put that theory in his scum QT if he had Daychat...which Faust seems to think scum does except I reread the setup post and it said nothing about that.
Er no, I was thinking he could wait until night start.
Wow it's amazing how much you can scumslip as town.
Maybe it's just confirmation bias, but it definitely read like you were referring to daychat.
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Also Arch getting 'more confident' of Faust was kind of odd, and the 'slip' thing is... forced.
I'm not sure how it's "forced" when RR is the one who pointed it out. I invite you to reread Faust if you've forgotten how scummy he is like I had.
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This was RR's original post:
I assumed LaLight and gkrieg are in a neighborhood and gkrieg claimed his role or something.
which caused LaLight to vote RR for trying to speculate on roles, to which Faust replied:
I'm very inclined for voting RR for speculations and trying to solve things that townie person says not to solve
Scum!RR could just put his theory in the scum QT. I see no reason for why this would make him scummy.
There's nothing about this that implies daychat. And his position makes sense, too. If scum!RR actually thinks he's figured out LaLight's role, there's no advantage to him sharing this information in thread instead of in his QT (at night). Actually, as scum you're probably more likely to wait and discuss it in the QT.
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Also Arch getting 'more confident' of Faust was kind of odd, and the 'slip' thing is... forced.
I'm not sure how it's "forced" when RR is the one who pointed it out. I invite you to reread Faust if you've forgotten how scummy he is like I had.
Well, I should reread everything before a final decision today.
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Vote Count 1.8:
faust (3): Archetype, LaLight, Eevee
Archetype (2): Axxle, WW
WW (2): RR, faust
Axxle (1): gkrieg13
Not Voting (0):
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day One ends on December 19 at 3:10 p.m.
That's in ~4 hours.
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faust or Arch...
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This game is sparse.
LaLight is pretty much obvtown.
Scum has a tendency to exaggerate their reads, so point against Faust here.
faust, what's your flavor name?
A thing. I know nothing of this flavor but for all I know my flavor could be connected to m role and well we wouldn't want scum to know that now would we?
Faust's reply to Eevee. In Faust's defense, it did not register to me that I did not have a flavor name. In fact, I thought that I had one. I had to go back and check that I did not. I was going to post this earlier, but then I was worried about slipping some kind of information, but I don't think that's really an issue.
That being said, what follows feels a bit like Faust trying to cover up a mistake. First a quick post that he didn't look at his PM when Eevee asked the question, and then the 'it will be fun to see who jumps on this' thing. Though, if you're town here and you made this 'honest' mistake, you're probably going to feel a strong need to clear things up here as well.
I'll Vote: faust.
This would be expected from scum!Arch as scum!Faust's partner. Arch would definitely think that it's a real slip, defending is risky, and this is very early in the game, so a good time to bus. Arch's continued push towards Faust clouds that theory, though.
Also I really liked this opening by me, but everyone ignored it :/
LaLight is speaking in tongues. We're gonna need an old priest and a young priest.
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I honestly do t know what to think of this game yet.
I don't think Faust is scummy for not checking g his QT when deciding to not claim when he is drunk
... QT?
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This is Faust's first sober explanation:
So here's what's what:
Everyone who has ever been scum with me - in fact, everyone who has ever read a mafia QT with me in it - knows I always spend N0 analyzing the setup, preparing fakeclaims. In a small game such as this, that would be even more important. There is not a lot of setup information to go around, and you can bet I would have read everything carefully. Meaning that as scum I would be more likely to remember that town does not have flavor names.
The second thing is obviously Eevee had some sort of purpose with his question. Don't you think I'd double-check as scum? Now I know I was mildly drunk and that was why Eevee thought he could slip me up, but does that fit with the scum play that you know from me?
The third thing is ongoing game stuff.
And this is what he said today:
Noone has a case on me, do they?
For the record, I checked back my role PM, and the role name I have is strongly flavored, so it's no surprise that in my head I felt as though I had a flavor name.
Did you not check your role PM before now? Why didn't you bring this up back then? You didn't imply before this that you felt as though you had a flavor name.
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Fine so the towns are me, LaLight, faust, eevee.
vote: Archetype
Why these people? Esp. faust.
Well faust should really be your only question in that list. Partially because I think that faust is valuable to the town even when he is scum. He is a brutal busser, so I think it is better to leave him alive either way.
The other reason is that he just seems townier with his last few comments. This is the kind of defending of himself that he does as town.
Faust is a brutal busser? I think it's mostly the opposite.
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How bad would it be for you to claim? If it's a role that doesn't get too much weaker, I think you could claim already. Hard to say for me what the downsides could be since i have no idea what the roles are like.
Well I would certainly prefer not to claim, but it won't be the end of the world.
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I don't really feel the RR is town thing any more.
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Did you not check your role PM before now? Why didn't you bring this up back then? You didn't imply before this that you felt as though you had a flavor name.
No, I had my role memorized. Now I scrolled through my inbox for another reason and read it. Then it occured to me that my role name is basically a flavor name, and that maybe that was why I did not think that there are no flavor names.
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Liking WW's effort here, and I agree with gkrieg. Vote: Axxle
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Will be unable to post for about an hour.
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Fine so the towns are me, LaLight, faust, eevee.
vote: Archetype
Why these people? Esp. faust.
Well faust should really be your only question in that list. Partially because I think that faust is valuable to the town even when he is scum. He is a brutal busser, so I think it is better to leave him alive either way.
The other reason is that he just seems townier with his last few comments. This is the kind of defending of himself that he does as town.
Faust is a brutal busser? I think it's mostly the opposite.
I've been brutally bussed by faust, both when he was a traitor, and when he was my partner.
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I wouldn't think scum!Faust would do a lot of bussing in this setup. I could be wrong though.
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Vote: Axxle
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Vote Count 1.9:
faust (3): Archetype, LaLight, Eevee
Archetype (1): Axxle
WW (1): RR
Axxle (3): gkrieg13, faust, WW
Not Voting (0):
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day One ends on December 19 at 3:10 p.m.
That's in ~3 hours.
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I honestly do t know what to think of this game yet.
I don't think Faust is scummy for not checking g his QT when deciding to not claim when he is drunk
... QT?
If gkreig wasn't confirmed Town by LaLight, I'd say this is fairly scummy.
I have work in an hour and will become unavailable then.
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I honestly do t know what to think of this game yet.
I don't think Faust is scummy for not checking g his QT when deciding to not claim when he is drunk
... QT?
If gkreig wasn't confirmed Town by LaLight, I'd say this is fairly scummy.
I have work in an hour and will become unavailable then.
I was phone posting (as is evidenced by the typos), and was responding in other places as well. Either way, roles are often not stated in the scum QT anyway, so in this game, even if I were scum I would have possibly had to check my PM for my rolename anyway.
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I'm not sure what you're saying in the last sentence.
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I'm not sure what you're saying in the last sentence.
Eh it's not really important.
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I've been brutally bussed by faust, both when he was a traitor, and when he was my partner.
It just that you are so bussable!
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Things are not looking that great considering Axxle is still off my wagon, so I'm virtually at L-1. Gotta convince someone to ot vote for me for another lynch to go through.
I am a Jailkeeper.
My actual role is called differently, but the functionality is pretty similar.
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Counterclaims?
I'm at my floorball teams sauna night (how finnish of me), i'm here to move my vote but not much else.
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Counterclaims?
I'm at my floorball teams sauna night (how finnish of me), i'm here to move my vote but not much else.
The only thing i can think of here is that he is scum Jailkeeper.
I'm here apparently till the deadline.
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Things are not looking that great considering Axxle is still off my wagon, so I'm virtually at L-1. Gotta convince someone to ot vote for me for another lynch to go through.
I am a Jailkeeper.
My actual role is called differently, but the functionality is pretty similar.
Why aren't you telling the actual role?
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Faust, any reason not to state your role title?
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Counterclaims?
Uh while I don't think there's a second JK out there, we ma definitely have multiple protective roles and we definitely do not want to out them now.
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Counterclaims?
I'm at my floorball teams sauna night (how finnish of me), i'm here to move my vote but not much else.
The only thing i can think of here is that he is scum Jailkeeper.
I'm here apparently till the deadline.
Scum JKs are fairly uncommon
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Faust, any reason not to state your role title?
Was not 100% sure that it's allowed.
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Counterclaims?
Uh while I don't think there's a second JK out there, we ma definitely have multiple protective roles and we definitely do not want to out them now.
I would imagine that we would have many protective roles, seeing as we lose when the IC dies...
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Faust, any reason not to state your role title?
Was not 100% sure that it's allowed.
I don't see why it wouldn't be.
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Things are not looking that great considering Axxle is still off my wagon, so I'm virtually at L-1. Gotta convince someone to ot vote for me for another lynch to go through.
I am a Jailkeeper.
My actual role is called differently, but the functionality is pretty similar.
Why aren't you telling the actual role?
Why aren't you?
If you look deep into this question, you will also find the answer to yours.
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Faust, any reason not to state your role title?
Was not 100% sure that it's allowed.
I think that part of your QT should definitely be quotable. role names and flavor names are always allowed right? Just not the semantics of the PM language
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Things are not looking that great considering Axxle is still off my wagon, so I'm virtually at L-1. Gotta convince someone to ot vote for me for another lynch to go through.
I am a Jailkeeper.
My actual role is called differently, but the functionality is pretty similar.
Why aren't you telling the actual role?
Why aren't you?
If you look deep into this question, you will also find the answer to yours.
Got it. Vote: Axxle
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That's L-1 I think?
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Faust, any reason not to state your role title?
Was not 100% sure that it's allowed.
I think that part of your QT should definitely be quotable. role names and flavor names are always allowed right? Just not the semantics of the PM language
I think so, but since the name is nonstandard, I wanted to make extra sure. PM to ash is out and I'll let you know once I have the answer.
I don't really see how this is relevant though.
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You will at some point.
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At any rate, we shouldn't lynch Faust.
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Vote: Faust
Should I claim?
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unvote
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Vote Count.LL
faust (2): Archetype, Axxle
WW (1): RR
Axxle (4): gkrieg13, faust, WW, LL
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Vote Count.LL
faust (2): Archetype, Axxle
WW (1): RR
Axxle (4): gkrieg13, faust, WW, LL
Not Voting (1): Eevee
FTFM
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Unvote for the moment
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Vote Count 1.10:
faust (2): Archetype, Axxle
WW (1): RR
Axxle (3): gkrieg13, faust, LaLight
Not Voting (2): Eevee, WW
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day One ends on December 19 at 3:10 p.m.
That's in under 2 hours.
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Unvote for the moment
What moment?
PPE: 1
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I can't think of a good Town flavor from the movie that would be a jail keeper. I can think of a few scum that would be though.
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I can't think of a good Town flavor from the movie that would be a jail keeper. I can think of a few scum that would be though.
Why do you want to think of town flavor?
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I can't think of a good Town flavor from the movie that would be a jail keeper. I can think of a few scum that would be though.
Why do you want to think of town flavor?
I think Fausts claim, if true, is from scum rather than town
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Vote: faust
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I can't think of a good Town flavor from the movie that would be a jail keeper. I can think of a few scum that would be though.
Why do you want to think of town flavor?
I think Fausts claim, if true, is from scum rather than town
That's weak, though. We don't even know that scum's flavor matches their role, and even if it did, there are surely lots of other role-flavor matches to go around.
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Vote: faust
No, I believe this is bad.
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Axxle your line of reasoning suggests you are not counterclaiming Faust.
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Faust, are you here?
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Axxle your line of reasoning suggests you are not counterclaiming Faust.
I am not.
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I do not want to lynch Faust here.
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Faust = Arch >> RR > Axxle > gkreig > LaLight
What changed?
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Things.
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Looks like RR/Arch scumteam as was intended. Also, Arch saying he won't be here... Now we can't lynch him, can we? Without claim? And he's not here to claim?
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Hour left.
Eevee, me, WW, Axxle are online. gkrieg partially? Arch/RR not? faust?
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I DEFINITELY do not want to lynch: Eevee, gkrieg, WW, faust.
I will be okay with lynch: Axxle
I want to lynch: Arch/RR.
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Vote: Archetype
Won't oppose RR. Still want Faust to come back.
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Vote: Archetype
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My role name is Warden. Heard back from ash.
Unfortunately, I don't really have time to be around much :/
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My role name is Warden. Heard back from ash.
Unfortunately, I don't really have time to be around much :/
What about lynching Arch?
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Also I really think Axxle is a much better lynch than Arch or RR.
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Also I really think Axxle is a much better lynch than Arch or RR.
Why is this?
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Vote: Arch
I'm thinking the scumteam could also be Faust/WW since WW got cold feet as soon as fausts lynch was actually possible but this is likely too.
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Vote Count 1.11:
faust (2): Archetype, Eevee
WW (1): RR
Axxle (2): gkrieg13, faust
Archetype (3): WW, LaLight, Axxle
Not Voting (0):
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day One ends on December 19 at 3:10 p.m.
That's in 1 hour.
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Eevee you should move your vote. I think it's Axxle or Arch today.
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I hoped gkrieg would be here also...
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I guess we could all move to RR, but Faust may not be back.
Gkrieg?
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I guess we could all move to RR, but Faust may not be back.
Gkrieg?
Why RR? Why not Arch?
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I guess we could all move to RR, but Faust may not be back.
Gkrieg?
If Faust and gkreig don't come back Faust is the only lynchable player unless I selfhammer
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Assuming rr and Arch don't appear
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I guess we could all move to RR, but Faust may not be back.
Gkrieg?
Why RR? Why not Arch?
This was me following up on saying that it's Arch or Axxle.
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Assuming rr and Arch don't appear
Eevee can come back, too.
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Has it been 24 hours for RR?
Prod: RR
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Axxle, Arch and RR, gkrieg is gkrieg, not gkreig. Third time i see this mistake in the game :)
PPE: 2
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Has it been 24 hours for RR?
Prod: RR
I don't think that'll help much.
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Assuming rr and Arch don't appear
Eevee can come back, too.
It takes 5 to lynch. If only four players (me, you, lalight, eevee) show up in the next hour we only have a few lynchable options
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Assuming rr and Arch don't appear
Eevee can come back, too.
It takes 5 to lynch. If only four players (me, you, lalight, eevee) show up in the next hour we only have a few lynchable options
Like 1?
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Assuming rr and Arch don't appear
Eevee can come back, too.
It takes 5 to lynch. If only four players (me, you, lalight, eevee) show up in the next hour we only have a few lynchable options
Right, but one of those is you without the need of a self hammer.
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I will switch to Axxle at 2.55 FT if no one shows up.
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Assuming rr and Arch don't appear
Eevee can come back, too.
It takes 5 to lynch. If only four players (me, you, lalight, eevee) show up in the next hour we only have a few lynchable options
Right, but one of those is you without the need of a self hammer.
Ah yeah, misread the votes
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Can I just be at school? :P I get out at 3:00
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Faust if no one comes back it's better for you to leave your vote on Arch.
We need Eevee, Gkrieg, Roadrunner.
PPE: RR~
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Can I just be at school? :P I get out at 3:00
You need to choose Archetype or Axxle
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Can I just be at school? :P I get out at 3:00
If you can vote Axxle in the last 10 minutes, it's fine.
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I'm here and will check in before the deadline again, but right now it seems that my vote is in the best place it could be.
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I'm here and will check in before the deadline again, but right now it seems that my vote is in the best place it could be.
Okay, as long as you'll check in.
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You guys are making me nervous.
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Vote Count 1.12:
faust (2): Archetype, Eevee
WW (1): RR
Axxle (2): gkrieg13, faust
Archetype (3): WW, LaLight, Axxle
Not Voting (0):
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day One ends on December 19 at 3:10 p.m.
That's in 32 minutes.
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I have to be somewhere in fifteen minutes. So I'll be around for a bit but then have to leave
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vote: archetype
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I have to be somewhere in fifteen minutes. So I'll be around for a bit but then have to leave
Arch or Axxle?
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I was just about to post this, too:
(http://i.imgur.com/73aFyzc.jpg)
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I would much rather go for axxle but I will hammer if needed
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I would do either. Eevee, is your feeling strong?
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I'll hammer in 5 minutes if people don't switch over to axxle
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Axxle, Arch and RR, gkrieg is gkrieg, not gkreig. Third time i see this mistake in the game :)
PPE: 2
I don't mind it that much. No one ever gets it right IRL either
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I will switch if Eevee and LaLight will.
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I before e except after c
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I before e except after c
Who do you want to lynch?
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Guys you have to vote.
RR you need to answer my question. If you're town why continue to try to lose games?
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Guys you have to vote.
RR you need to answer my question. If you're town why continue to try to lose games?
I will hammer either, but eh
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I haven't really read the thread
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Oh, deadline is 3:10, right? I thought it was 3.
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You have to have some kind of opinion.
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Like, which one is your partner?
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I'm for Arch.
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Vote Count 1.13:
faust (1): Archetype
WW (1): RR
Axxle (2): gkrieg13, faust
Archetype (4): WW, LaLight, Axxle, Eevee
Not Voting (0):
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day One ends on December 19 at 3:10 p.m.
That's in 6 minutes.
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RR or Gkrieg, just hammer Arch.
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GOD'S SAKE HAMMER
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Like now.. you never know there could be a secret nonvoting power or he could be Loved or something.
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argh
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no time to switch, hammer!
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Double vote: Arch
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(http://i.imgur.com/73aFyzc.jpg)
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Jk
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Vote: Archetype
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Jk
Funny.
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Request: Vote Count
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I said I'd be back, didn't I? Why all the worry?
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Jk
Funny.
I thought so
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I said I'd be back, didn't I? Why all the worry?
Who knows. You could say that being scum, not be back explaining it in some way
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I said I'd be back, didn't I? Why all the worry?
You could have lost power, connectivity, got stuck in underground transit. Arch could still be Loved or something.
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Day 1 Final Vote Count:
faust (1): Archetype
WW (1): RR
Axxle (1): gkrieg13
Archetype (5): WW, LaLight, Axxle, Eevee, faust
Not Voting (0):
With 8 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
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I said I'd be back, didn't I? Why all the worry?
You could have lost power, connectivity, got stuck in underground transit. Arch could still be Loved or something.
And still can be!
PPE: no.
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Did you blink? If so, you may have missed something...
The shamisen stopped suddenly, the note only half-plucked. The paper fell to the ground suddenly, just leaves of color again. The story stopped while the sun was setting, with the boy running for safety.
Archetype has been lynched! He was a Sister, a Half-of-All-Trades!
Night 1 begins now and lasts 24 hours.
Thread locked.
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As the sun rose, and the village awakened, there was a heavy feeling in the air. The villagers all came out to the main square to see if the boy was back.
The first strum of the shamisen announced his return. But not without tragedy.
faust died during the night! He was the Warden.
Day 2 begins now.
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Vote Count 2.0:
Not Voting (6): LaLight, gkrieg13, Roadrunner7671, Eevee, Axxle, Witherweaver
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Day 2 ends on December 26 at 3:10 p.m.
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So.
Looks like there's 3 scums. Also, i got a message telling me rr is town-aligned. More after, don't have time now
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Wow. That went pretty great for us.
Good job convincing people and avoiding the lynch, faust. I was starting to feel you were town too!
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Okay, i insist on claiming. Axxle - RR - WW - gkrieg - me.
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Okay, i insist on claiming. Axxle - RR - WW - gkrieg - me.
Claiming already? Isn't that a bad idea, when scum might have a RB, and we might not have that many protective roles?
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Also sorry I wasn't online at the deadline, I totally spaced voting when I was on my way out the door.
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Not full claiming of course. Just approximate role. We still have 3 IC, this is solvable, people.
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Not full claiming of course. Just approximate role. We still have 3 IC, this is solvable, people.
While that is true, the rules for this game complicate things a bit. Even if we find out who scum are, we could still lose
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Not full claiming of course. Just approximate role. We still have 3 IC, this is solvable, people.
While that is true, the rules for this game complicate things a bit. Even if we find out who scum are, we could still lose
Well, true. But still we have 2 oit of three as scums. One today one tomorrow. We need only one protective role.
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You wanna ask if we have such a role? That's what claiming is for.
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RR looked bad from yesterday. If he's really town, it's gotta be Axxle, or LaLight is wrong somewhere.
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I think I should be pretty clearly town based on yesterday.
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You think there are three scum?
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You think there are three scum?
Arch was Sister, Half-joat
Scum tram is moon king and sisters. Looks like it. So it's axxle and rr. Just to make sure, i'd listen gkrieg's claim.
Funny thing that message i got was made the way so if you just see it it looks like mod's confirmation of rrs townieness.
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So.
Looks like there's 3 scums. Also, i got a message telling me rr is town-aligned. More after, don't have time now
Wait, this means that we have 4 ICs, and just 2 other people. Why even claim? Why don't we just have Axxle and WW claim?
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You think there are three scum?
Arch was Sister, Half-joat
Scum tram is moon king and sisters. Looks like it. So it's axxle and rr. Just to make sure, i'd listen gkrieg's claim.
Funny thing that message i got was made the way so if you just see it it looks like mod's confirmation of rrs townieness.
So is RR mod-confirmed to you?
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So.
Looks like there's 3 scums. Also, i got a message telling me rr is town-aligned. More after, don't have time now
Wait, this means that we have 4 ICs, and just 2 other people. Why even claim? Why don't we just have Axxle and WW claim?
Not mod-message! It's more like postman scum role
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It's just i got a message from unknown person
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What did it say? Can you tell us?
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It's just i got a message from unknown person
But who would send you a message that RR is town?
Like, how would they know? Wouldn't they out themselves as sending the message?
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What did it say? Can you tell us?
I don't think i can quote but i will paraphrase
"Now you know that rr is town"
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It's just i got a message from unknown person
But who would send you a message that RR is town?
Like, how would they know? Wouldn't they out themselves as sending the message?
Scum would. My opinion is they thought they will trick me as it is a mod-conf. Look at the text i posted
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And is this the same mechanism by which you were saying Gkrieg was town on D1?
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What did it say? Can you tell us?
I don't think i can quote but i will paraphrase
"Now you know that rr is town"
It is more official. Mod-style.
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And is this the same mechanism by which you were saying Gkrieg was town on D1?
Completely different. No messages N0
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Notably:
*Gkrieg did not want to lynch Archetype
*Axxle pushed for Faust despite insisting on Archetype as scummy all day; when he did go for Archetype at the end, it was the only viable lynch not his own
*RR continually refused to even address the question of who he preferred on Archetype v. Axxle, let alone place a vote.
RR should almost just be policy lynched, but we can't really afford to do that here.
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Notably:
*Gkrieg did not want to lynch Archetype
*Axxle pushed for Faust despite insisting on Archetype as scummy all day; when he did go for Archetype at the end, it was the only viable lynch not his own
*RR continually refused to even address the question of who he preferred on Archetype v. Axxle, let alone place a vote.
RR should almost just be policy lynched, but we can't really afford to do that here.
Why policy?
Gkrieg, if i'm not mistaken you can claim the thing from which i know uou're town? Right?
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It's just i got a message from unknown person
But who would send you a message that RR is town?
Like, how would they know? Wouldn't they out themselves as sending the message?
Scum would. My opinion is they thought they will trick me as it is a mod-conf. Look at the text i posted
It is also WIFOM. Did the scum person send you the message because RR is scum, or because RR is town and knew you would catch that it wasn't really from the mod and so they thought you would insta-lynch them...
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Notably:
*Gkrieg did not want to lynch Archetype
*Axxle pushed for Faust despite insisting on Archetype as scummy all day; when he did go for Archetype at the end, it was the only viable lynch not his own
*RR continually refused to even address the question of who he preferred on Archetype v. Axxle, let alone place a vote.
RR should almost just be policy lynched, but we can't really afford to do that here.
Why policy?
Gkrieg, if i'm not mistaken you can claim the thing from which i know uou're town? Right?
Yes, I would love to, but I don't see the benefit of doing so right now.
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It's just i got a message from unknown person
But who would send you a message that RR is town?
Like, how would they know? Wouldn't they out themselves as sending the message?
Scum would. My opinion is they thought they will trick me as it is a mod-conf. Look at the text i posted
It is also WIFOM. Did the scum person send you the message because RR is scum, or because RR is town and knew you would catch that it wasn't really from the mod and so they thought you would insta-lynch them...
Course. But i'm like not that stupid :)
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Notably:
*Gkrieg did not want to lynch Archetype
*Axxle pushed for Faust despite insisting on Archetype as scummy all day; when he did go for Archetype at the end, it was the only viable lynch not his own
*RR continually refused to even address the question of who he preferred on Archetype v. Axxle, let alone place a vote.
RR should almost just be policy lynched, but we can't really afford to do that here.
Why policy?
Gkrieg, if i'm not mistaken you can claim the thing from which i know uou're town? Right?
Yes, I would love to, but I don't see the benefit of doing so right now.
Ok.
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Notably:
*Gkrieg did not want to lynch Archetype
*Axxle pushed for Faust despite insisting on Archetype as scummy all day; when he did go for Archetype at the end, it was the only viable lynch not his own
*RR continually refused to even address the question of who he preferred on Archetype v. Axxle, let alone place a vote.
RR should almost just be policy lynched, but we can't really afford to do that here.
Why policy?
Gkrieg, if i'm not mistaken you can claim the thing from which i know uou're town? Right?
For refusing to even state a preference on the lynch, which I continually pressed him for for obvious reasons.
For not voting when we were at risk of losing the lynch ON SCUM. I mean Faust came back, but we didn't have that guarantee.
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I didn't send a message to LaLight, or anyone.
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I can claim but I or someone else should reread LaLight and gkriegs interactions just in case
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I can claim but I or someone else should reread LaLight and gkriegs interactions just in case
Fine, will you reread it? :)
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guys, we can't deserve silence.
2 of {WW; Axxle; RR} is mafia. In what way can we know who exactly? I'm like 80% sure about RR, 60% sure about Axxle, 35% sure about WW. What do we do?
@Eevee, @gkrieg?
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I still don't understand how you're sure there are two mafia left.
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I still don't understand how you're sure there are two mafia left.
Erm.
Again: scum-team is Moon King and the SisterS
Arch was A sister - Half of all trades.
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k, let me take this.
Vote: Axxle
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I still don't understand how you're sure there are two mafia left.
Erm.
Again: scum-team is Moon King and the SisterS
Arch was A sister - Half of all trades.
I assumed half of all trades just meant he was half as good as a jack of all trades ::)
I guess that makes some sense, but 3 scum in an 8 player game seems crazy,
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guys, we can't deserve silence.
2 of {WW; Axxle; RR} is mafia. In what way can we know who exactly? I'm like 80% sure about RR, 60% sure about Axxle, 35% sure about WW. What do we do?
@Eevee, @gkrieg?
Sorry for the silence, honestly forgot this game was in the day stage.
I'm good voting for Axxle. I think WW is pretty townie, and I had my doubts of Axxle being townie D1, and I think he is currently scummier than RR, so I'm good with that.
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vote: Axxle
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What do RR and Axxle and WW think?
Could you please rank your lynch order of the other two?
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Assuming there are two scum, I think we have time to lynch them both. I guess I'm slightly in favor of lynching Axxle first.
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What do RR and Axxle and WW think?
Could you please rank your lynch order of the other two?
They're fairly equivalent.. RR over Axxle slightly. I will go back and reread.
You should go check me yesterday, though. My treatment of Arch should make it pretty clear I'm not a partner.
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By the way, three scum is not confirmed. Ash has had the kind of dynamic setup where the number of scum (maybe even number of factions) and number of PRs vary depending on a random outcome. In such a case, the flavor names need not change; it's possible the other sister simply isn't in the setup.
At any rate, it doesn't change much. We lynch scum today, and if the games not over then we lynch scum tomorrow.
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Yeah, I don't think it's 100% we are dealing with three scum, but it's also not particularly relevant to our decisions. I'll reread Axxle, RR and WW now -->
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These were the only times RR talked about Archetype:
I've seen no case on Arch but I also haven't seen him defend himself, which is scummy. I'd vote for him in the last few minutes of the deadline, but we have time.
The one thing I don't like about the Arch lynch is that everyone just voted for him without reasons. That feels like it could be a scum driven wagon, but whatevs.
Seems pretty plausible for a partner, before rereading the others I'd be very comfortable lynching him. Nothing in the other content struck to me as towny either, it's basically a lot of jokes and light-hearted posting. Granted, this game has been pretty light of heavy content this far.
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What do RR and Axxle and WW think?
Could you please rank your lynch order of the other two?
They're fairly equivalent.. RR over Axxle slightly. I will go back and reread.
You should go check me yesterday, though. My treatment of Arch should make it pretty clear I'm not a partner.
hmmmm I thought I had already posted that, but I can't see it.
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vote: archetype
Also willing to vote Faust. Seems like some classic scumbuddy bussing/deflecting.
Will the five non ICs put together a scum to town list?
Scum > town
Faust = Arch >> RR > WW > gkreig > LaLight >>> Espeon
Vote: Arch
I'm thinking the scumteam could also be Faust/WW since WW got cold feet as soon as fausts lynch was actually possible but this is likely too.
Okay, Axxle looks a lot townier to me, of course heavy bussing is possible though. He was pushing for faust somewhat hard, but other than that, I think Axxle looks pretty towny here.
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I Think I do not want to lynch:
RR
LaLight
I think i would be okay lynching:
Gkrieg
Faust
I think there are other people playing the game as well.
Not listing Archetype (or Axxle) offers us some early wifom.
I can do a
Vote: Archetype
Deadline is tomorrow?
My call for scum team is Arch/Faust.
RR's show of concern about everything is making him seem scummier. Could just be RR, though.
Hmm... maybe a massclaim could be interesting.
I would not participate in a mass claim Day 1. Seems too dangerous if our objective is to protect Eevee.
This I think is scummier from Axxle and townier from WW, in RMM I think scum would be pretty hesitant to propose a massclaim not knowing what bad things could happen to them when they lie, but town with a role that doesn't get too much weaker could think about it.
Will the five non ICs put together a scum to town list?
Scum > town
Faust = Arch >> RR > WW > gkreig > LaLight >>> Espeon
Man. Don't know what to think about exactly aligning with Axxle:
Faust = Arch >> RR > Axxle > gkreig > LaLight
Interesting. Noteworthy that if there are three scum, they'd probably be a little more bus-happy, especially if they are a weird kind of scum (could be some weird role thing going with the half-sister).
I'm preferring Arch over Faust.
town points.
Also Arch getting 'more confident' of Faust was kind of odd, and the 'slip' thing is... forced.
actually scumhunting against archetype.
At any rate, we shouldn't lynch Faust.
Vote: Archetype
Won't oppose RR. Still want Faust to come back.
Okay, so I would say from towniest to scummiest of these three it's WW > Axxle > RR, and I'm pretty comfortable with a Vote: RR
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Let's start with the conclusion:
Vote: LaLight
One of the first people to suggest a massclaim
One of the first people to suggest a no lynch.
Posted the coded message right when gkrieg was there to react.
Read faust as scum for a non-tell (the flavor name thing)
Read almost everyone as scum except for gkrieg (minus a small tip of the hat at the very beginning of the game).
Only gives passing scumread of Archetype, lumped him in the same group as me and prefered to lynch me, only going to Archetype when it was clear my lynch wasn't happening.
Claims to know gkrieg is town due to the role but doesn't show a desire to confirm it.
Still pushing on massclaiming today, an awful idea if he genuinely thinks there's two scum left. Roleblock on a healing role loses us the game.
They also claim to get mod confirmation that RR is town, 4 conftown is a broken game.
This is a gkrieg/LaLight gambit.
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Let's start with the conclusion:
Vote: LaLight
One of the first people to suggest a massclaim
Well, thing is that every role here is not as simple as "Doctor". Claiming smartly we could get a good piece of info without giving scum much info.
One of the first people to suggest a no lynch.
Yes, we needed info, if we were wrong in a D1 lynch, there'll be 3-3 now!
Posted the coded message right when gkrieg was there to react.
I didn't see if he was online or something. Yes, I admit it, message was for him only, but he (still) didn't get it and didn't answer me to the question the message contains. Though it's not so relevant now.
Read faust as scum for a non-tell (the flavor name thing)
Well, yes. And Eevee did for example. My role sounds normal, you know, not some strange "Warden" thing. It's hard to read anyone here and faust was a good candidate of being scum back in the d1.
Read almost everyone as scum except for gkrieg (minus a small tip of the hat at the very beginning of the game).
Isn't this a town thing to do? If I were scum, I'd definitely say things like "ey, faust is town for sure" and alike. When I was scum 1st time (m86) that's exactly what I have been doing.
Only gives passing scumread of Archetype, lumped him in the same group as me and prefered to lynch me, only going to Archetype when it was clear my lynch wasn't happening.
No? I was the one telling that you are afk and we need to give you d1 pass! Come on, I really was arguing with faust about you!
Claims to know gkrieg is town due to the role but doesn't show a desire to confirm it.
Why should I?
Still pushing on massclaiming today, an awful idea if he genuinely thinks there's two scum left. Roleblock on a healing role loses us the game.
Right, but see the answer to 1st Q.
They also claim to get mod confirmation that RR is town, 4 conftown is a broken game.
you haven't read it attentively. This was not a mod confirmation, and this is the thing.
This is a gkrieg/LaLight gambit.
That would be cool, but I'm not so good at this game yet.
Oh, and one more, Just look at our exchanges with gkrieg, there are enough breadcrumbs to feed the whole country.
Alright. Comments are bolded.
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Let's start with the conclusion:
Vote: LaLight
One of the first people to suggest a massclaim
Well, thing is that every role here is not as simple as "Doctor". Claiming smartly we could get a good piece of info without giving scum much info.
One of the first people to suggest a no lynch.
Yes, we needed info, if we were wrong in a D1 lynch, there'll be 3-3 now!
Posted the coded message right when gkrieg was there to react.
I didn't see if he was online or something. Yes, I admit it, message was for him only, but he (still) didn't get it and didn't answer me to the question the message contains. Though it's not so relevant now.
Read faust as scum for a non-tell (the flavor name thing)
Well, yes. And Eevee did for example. My role sounds normal, you know, not some strange "Warden" thing. It's hard to read anyone here and faust was a good candidate of being scum back in the d1.
Read almost everyone as scum except for gkrieg (minus a small tip of the hat at the very beginning of the game).
Isn't this a town thing to do? If I were scum, I'd definitely say things like "ey, faust is town for sure" and alike. When I was scum 1st time (m86) that's exactly what I have been doing.
Only gives passing scumread of Archetype, lumped him in the same group as me and prefered to lynch me, only going to Archetype when it was clear my lynch wasn't happening.
No? I was the one telling that you are afk and we need to give you d1 pass! Come on, I really was arguing with faust about you!
Claims to know gkrieg is town due to the role but doesn't show a desire to confirm it.
Why should I?
Still pushing on massclaiming today, an awful idea if he genuinely thinks there's two scum left. Roleblock on a healing role loses us the game.
Right, but see the answer to 1st Q.
They also claim to get mod confirmation that RR is town, 4 conftown is a broken game.
you haven't read it attentively. This was not a mod confirmation, and this is the thing.
This is a gkrieg/LaLight gambit.
That would be cool, but I'm not so good at this game yet.
Oh, and one more, Just look at our exchanges with gkrieg, there are enough breadcrumbs to feed the whole country.
Alright. Comments are bolded.
Something went wrong, fixed.
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LaLight, I think you should definitely be concerned with showing your towniness to us.
Axxle, I think we should lynch RR today, and look closer into LL and others tomorrow. He looks very very very bad based on yesterday - no real content, other than trying to steer us away from a mafia lynch. Kind of surprised people aren't joining in on this - why not?
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Vote Count 2.1:
Axxle (2): LaLight, gkrieg13
RR (1): Eevee
LaLight (1): Axxle
Not Voting (2): Roadrunner7671, Witherweaver
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Day 2 ends on December 26 at 3:10 p.m.
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LL and grkieg, why Axxle over RR?
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LL and grkieg, why Axxle over RR?
Well, some points RR made are typical!RR. But actually I'm okay with lynching both.
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Also ok with either. Axxle feels scummier, and also the only way scum can possibly win is by breaking up LaLight and me.
But I actually think it might be time for us to claim if eevee is wanting us to.
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Also ok with either. Axxle feels scummier, and also the only way scum can possibly win is by breaking up LaLight and me.
But I actually think it might be time for us to claim if eevee is wanting us to.
+1
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Let's at least hear from RR first.
It makes sense to me to lynch from RR/WW/Axxle today, and to me RR just looked leaps and bounds scummiest of them.
(Sorry about the typo on your name gkrieg - I do know how to spell it these days!)
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Let's at least hear from RR first.
It makes sense to me to lynch from RR/WW/Axxle today, and to me RR just looked leaps and bounds scummiest of them.
(Sorry about the typo on your name gkrieg - I do know how to spell it these days!)
To hear what exactly?
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These were the only times RR talked about Archetype:
I've seen no case on Arch but I also haven't seen him defend himself, which is scummy. I'd vote for him in the last few minutes of the deadline, but we have time.
The one thing I don't like about the Arch lynch is that everyone just voted for him without reasons. That feels like it could be a scum driven wagon, but whatevs.
Seems pretty plausible for a partner, before rereading the others I'd be very comfortable lynching him. Nothing in the other content struck to me as towny either, it's basically a lot of jokes and light-hearted posting. Granted, this game has been pretty light of heavy content this far.
This is pretty dang scummy though.
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Let's at least hear from RR first.
It makes sense to me to lynch from RR/WW/Axxle today, and to me RR just looked leaps and bounds scummiest of them.
(Sorry about the typo on your name gkrieg - I do know how to spell it these days!)
To hear what exactly?
A defense. Reads! A claim if others agree he should be our target.
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I say we lynch Axxle today then if he's town look wayyyyyyyyy more close at LaLight/gkreig. If he's scum, we lynch WW and win.
As for a defense, I don't have time to really make one, but I haven't been scummy. This is just bad PoE.
However, it's very possible LaLight made up the entire thing about the message.
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I'll try to reread later on today. I'm on vacation now, but I've been wasting a good amount of time on FFXV.
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Okay, I'm ready to vote: RR at this point. It doesn't really matter him or Axxle, but looks like Eevee wants to lynch RR. Let it be :)
I had a dream tonight that Eevee is in fact scum, that was striking :))
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if we have 2 scums here, we need all the townie votes to get this lynch through. WW, we're waiting for your reads!
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Vote Count 2.2:
Axxle (1): gkrieg13
RR (2): Eevee, LaLight
LaLight (1): Axxle
Not Voting (2): Roadrunner7671, Witherweaver
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Day 2 ends on December 26 at 3:10 p.m.
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I am getting on an airplane shortly and will be unavailable for a good 15-18 hours.
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vote: RR
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I'll read today, promise.
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I'll read today, promise.
Well, you didn't quickhammer, so the game is solved.
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I'm not sure I agree. Setup assumptions can be bad.
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I'm not sure I agree. Setup assumptions can be bad.
Of course. I'm just quite sure you're town now.
@Eevee, do you believe in my and gkrieg's towniness or ahould we softclaim?
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I'm not sure I agree. Setup assumptions can be bad.
Of course. I'm just quite sure you're town now.
@Eevee, do you believe in my and gkrieg's towniness or ahould we softclaim?
I personally think it might just be time to hard claim
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On mobile so won't quote much.
Yeah there have to be 2 Mafia.
Interesting here, though in regards to Axxle. If it is Arch/RR/Axxle, then bussing is much more viable, especially if we all believe there is only two Mafia. RR didn't bring this up, it was actually LaLight.
Continuing, not much early, hedge on Faust flavorgate. Comments kind of on the sidelines about stuff, doesn't do anything definite.
When pressed for reads:
There is one thing about RR i really don't like but i can't tell now, I need his claim, so i need him at L-1
Why do you keep gunning after RR?
This is interesting indeed.
Who does RR want to lynch?
Axxele wouldn't be the worst, neither would faust. I'd want to reread WW before taking a stancd on him. I also think a no lynch wouldn't be the end of the world, but I'd prefer a lynch I think
If RR is scum this strongly implicates Axxle.
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This is Axxle on Arch. Second vote on wagon, I follow. Possible bus with three, pretty risky with two. That factor makes RR the better lynch.
vote: archetype
Also willing to vote Faust. Seems like some classic scumbuddy bussing/deflecting.
The mention of Faust and it's manner makes it look a tad more like a bus. (Setting up moving later.)
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I've seen no case on Arch but I also haven't seen him defend himself, which is scummy. I'd vote for him in the last few minutes of the deadline, but we have time.
RR on Arch.. as mentioned, not good for him.
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Also
The one thing I don't like about the Arch lynch is that everyone just voted for him without reasons. That feels like it could be a scum driven wagon, but whatevs.
He's hesitant to go anywhere, though. Response to my wagon:
I'm working under the impression that both of you are town, or at least LaLight is, so this wagon is cool. Should I vote now though? If WW is town, scum could quick lynch, but I don't know if that's a real fear.
Ah but he gets on it:
Do you have any reason to believe that's the case?
I can Vote: WW if that makes you happy :)
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Well, ok. Let's see where we will come with Vote: WW
Only madness lies down that road.
I like madness. Vote: WW
This should be L-1.
Just quoting this for evidence that Faust is always wrong about me.
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I'm very inclined for voting RR for speculations and trying to solve things that townie person says not to solve
Scum!RR could just put his theory in the scum QT. I see no reason for why this would make him scummy.
Was that a scumslip?
That scumslip thing that was bad :/ First nonpassive thing RR does, and he doesn't actually press it; Arch does.
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And that's basically it.. he's gone until right before lynch where he absolutely refuses to say any that would make him accountable.
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Also I really think Axxle is a much better lynch than Arch or RR.
This would be funny if it really is Arch/Axxle/RR
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Will the five non ICs put together a scum to town list?
Faust > RR >> WW > Axxle >> LaLight >>> gkreig
For reference.
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So Axxle.. comes in pretty standard for him.. questioning things. Maybe town Axxle is more aggressive (votes earlier), but hard to say.
Gone for a lot of d1.. first real thing is that vote on Arch I quoted before.
Doesn't hammer me when I'm at L-1 early, which would look bad if he's scum and would be bad play if he's town, so null there.
Mentions RR has only voted once. Opposes massclaim.
Reads list is Faust=Arch on top. notably consistent throughout day 1.
When he comes back Faust has claimed, Axxle and Faust are biggest wagons.. RR has one vote I think and Arch has none (except Axxle was still on Arch). Axxle votes Faust.... Oh actually it's me that has one vote, not RR. Well. Faust vote is self preservation, so not as scummy as i previous thought.
Oh look, I actually revived the Arch wagon:
Vote: Archetype
Won't oppose RR. Still want Faust to come back.
Everyone had moved off of him. Axxle was at L-1 there. Would be funny if they're both scum.
Axxle jumps on third on the wagon. He sort of has to as either alignment.. Faust is likely not happening.. mentions that it could be me/Faust in his Arch vote post.. scummy there.
And that's basically it. He stays on Arch, though mentions we don't have the votes unless people come back
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I think RR is the better choice.
More on Axxle. He starts today questioning LL/Gkrieg and makes a case:
Let's start with the conclusion:
Vote: LaLight
One of the first people to suggest a massclaim
One of the first people to suggest a no lynch.
Posted the coded message right when gkrieg was there to react.
Read faust as scum for a non-tell (the flavor name thing)
Read almost everyone as scum except for gkrieg (minus a small tip of the hat at the very beginning of the game).
Only gives passing scumread of Archetype, lumped him in the same group as me and prefered to lynch me, only going to Archetype when it was clear my lynch wasn't happening.
Claims to know gkrieg is town due to the role but doesn't show a desire to confirm it.
Still pushing on massclaiming today, an awful idea if he genuinely thinks there's two scum left. Roleblock on a healing role loses us the game.
They also claim to get mod confirmation that RR is town, 4 conftown is a broken game.
This is a gkrieg/LaLight gambit.
This looks a little like scum knowing they have to do something less expected. We'd expect scum!Axxle to push the other targets (me and possible town!RR), so these kinds of moves are seen as townier, and Axxle knows it. Also, if LL and Gkrieg are both town, scum!Axxle has to get them in the long run (I think), because even if he got a mislynch on me today, he'd be PoEd tomorrow. (I think.. maybe scenario is different depending on if it's RR+Axxle or just Axxle.. if it were just Axxle he might be able to win pushing through me and RR.)
LL+Gkrieg team is of course the big thing to worry about. Mislynch on RR then Axxle is a loss with the NKs.. ideally we'd test by lynching one of them, but we can't afford to.
If LL is scum he's played this wonderfully. His D1 is very townie, and his interactions with Arch look good.
We should take LL as town... Really we have to.
Worry then is town LL being confused or misled into conftowning Gkrieg. Well, even if that were the case, lynching outside them is still the right !I've today.
I think it should be RR
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I guess I'm ready to hammer RR when people check in. A full reread of Arch is needed, if I get the chance.
At any rate
Intent to hammer.
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Okay, Arch has very little. No mention of Axxle; RR mentioned quite often, usually in the "would be willing to lynch too" or "maybe scummy" kind of scenario, while his main target was Faust.
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LaLight, I think you should definitely be concerned with showing your towniness to us.
Axxle, I think we should lynch RR today, and look closer into LL and others tomorrow. He looks very very very bad based on yesterday - no real content, other than trying to steer us away from a mafia lynch. Kind of surprised people aren't joining in on this - why not?
I'm just worried that if we mislynch today we lose
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unvote
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RR going to claim?
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Oh well
Vote: Roadrunner
It is inevitable (like the new world order).
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WW's joke game in top form in this game!
Sucks that RR is practically absent, but this seems like the best course of action. Ideally we would want to wait for a claim, but no knowing if he can make it on in time.
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Honestly I don't know if his claim would make any difference. Even if it's the wrong move, it probably has to happen anyway.
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It would still be nice to hear his results/actions from N1, if he had any.
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Day 2 Final Vote Count:
RR (2): Eevee, LaLight, gkrieg13, WW
LaLight (1): Axxle
Not Voting (2): Roadrunner7671, Axxlr
With 6 alive, it took 4 to lynch.
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RR was lynched. He was a Sister, Half-of-All-Trades.
Night 2 starts now.
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Sorry for the short posts and delays. Traveling.
No one died.
Day 3 begins now.
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Vote Count 3.0:
Not Voting (5): Axxle, Eevee, LaLight, gkrieg13, WW
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.
Day 3 ends on December 30 at 7:00 a.m.
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Very well!
Time to massclaim, I think.
I don't think the order matters that much, athis being semi-blitz getting all the claims
in as soon as possible may be a bigger priority?
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Agreed. I'm a lover
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Alright, looks like someone tried to kill Eevee after all. Me and gkrieg are Lovers. When one dies, second dies. We have more powers, but i will leave that to gkrieg just to check if i'm right about him.
Choice is: Axxle or WW and actually i think that's Axxle.
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Alright, looks like someone tried to kill Eevee after all. Me and gkrieg are Lovers. When one dies, second dies. We have more powers, but i will leave that to gkrieg just to check if i'm right about him.
Choice is: Axxle or WW and actually i think that's Axxle.
Yes I do but I don't know what yours are
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And I don't feel there is a reason to claim them
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Also my PM confirms my lover as being town aligned
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Also my PM confirms my lover as being town aligned
+1
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That's excellent!
I agree Axxle's post yesterday about suspecting you two makes sense for scum knowing they
need a miracle. I think it should be Axxle as well, but depending on claims as well of course.
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I'll wait for Axxle.
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I'll wait for Axxle.
Why?
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It probably won't matter, but might as well be safe.
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You guys are absolutely both confirmed town to each other? Because that's a huge deal beyond lovers.
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You guys are absolutely both confirmed town to each other? Because that's a huge deal beyond lovers.
Yes, I even asked the mod.
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It's also in green on my PM
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Well I guess I'll just claim.
I am the Deputy Warden. This is 100% backup to Faust's role; when the Warden (Faust) dies, I inherit his abilities (essentially a Jailkeeper). I targeted Eevee last night.
Hmm... maybe a massclaim could be interesting.
Hmm... maybe a massclaim could be interesting.
I would not participate in a mass claim Day 1. Seems too dangerous if our objective is to protect Eevee.
Well, I have a reason, but I kind of assumed people wouldn't go along with it.
This is after it occurred to me that I can confirm someone else as town by a claim. My role means it's almost certain that Warden is in the setup (I mean I guess it could be a dynamic setup and I would have become a named townie or something.. but with the Eevee mechanic it seemed natural that we had a Warden (and that Warden was town)). Scum would probably claim some kind of protective role. They possibly have the role names for fake claims. If not, I could confirm one town, which with Eevee and tentatively believing LaLight+Gkrieg, would lower the lynch pool significantly.
In retrospect, it probably would have been bad. I didn't take into account Roleblocking and kill.
Hmmm... my loss would be detrimental.
A hint that my role was necessary. (At first I thought it wasn't the worst thing ever, since Warden is primary, but then I realized that there may not be any more protection than Warden + backup.)
So when Faust claims Jailkeeper type I'm pretty sure he's the Warden, which is why I'm pushing for his role name. Because I can confirm he's telling the truth (unless he's counterlcaimed by someone claiming exactly Warden.)
Faust, any reason not to state your role title?
At any rate, we shouldn't lynch Faust.
I assumed Axxle was counterclaiming at first:
Unvote for the moment
But then he confirmed he was not:
Axxle your line of reasoning suggests you are not counterclaiming Faust.
I am not.
And etc., there's more there where I'm waiting for Faust to give his role and making sure we don't lynch him, also trying to not give away my role. Read the whole set of interactions around those few pages.
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vote: Axxle
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Yeah, of course waiting for axxle's claim, but this looks very clear cut. Nice!
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I suppose I'm ready to vote Axxle too. If Gkrieg and LaLight are both mod confirmed to each other, they can't be lying, and both scum means 4 scum in 8, unwinnable.
And, lovers would have been a big swing if one of them were killed.
Will wait for Axxle to check in. I wanted to see if he'd claim doc or RB.
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Ah, alright. WW, if you're scum, you deserve this win 100%. I have never seen you playing this townie. I can see no way Axxle is not scum.
vote: Axxle
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Is that L-1? If so, confirming not scum~
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Is that L-1? If so, confirming not scum~
Well then, hammer i suppose, no way anyone is scum but him.
Also, if you don't hammer, prod: Axxle i suppose
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If by some miracle it's not Axxle, we can afford it anyway? As I'd be killed and we'd still have another day.
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If by some miracle it's not Axxle, we can afford it anyway? As I'd be killed and we'd still have another day.
Sure, but if not Axxle, only Eevee is left :D
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Right.
Vote: Axxle
If I messed up I blame the Christmas drinking.
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YEEEAH YOU ALL ARE SO EASY TO FOOL
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Jk.
Good job, town :)
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And if we win it's a Christmas miracle!
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Day 3 Final Vote Count:
Axxle (3): gkrieg13, LaLight, WW
Not Voting (2): Axxle, Eevee
With 5 alive, it took 3 to lynch.
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Axxle has been lynched! He was Raiden, the Moon King!
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Kubo and the Forces of Good win!
LaLight is the MVP.
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Secret History of Kubo Mafia
As some of the vets may have noticed, this game was related to my prior series of Ender's Game blitz games -- 8 players with 3 mafia and a generally quick win for one side or the other. I started out wanting to design a small game, and it just ended up following those old games's footsteps.
I really wanted to have players die and come back as Monkey and Beetle. Making them lovers made sense flavorwise (especially the fact that they don't know each other) and so that happened. I had everyone with flavor names early on, but that went away quickly when I realized just how closely tied the roles were to the flavor names. It was easy enough to provide fake names for scum, but it was entirely too ICish to have the Bodyguard be Monkey and so on. So the flavor names got reduced.
Until the very late stages of design, The Moon King had the same death clause as Kubo (i.e., if he died, town won immediately). That was partly because Beetle was originally a Captained Vigilante, where Kubo could aim him (but become Macho for the night). Eventually, I had to admit to myself I was being unnecessarily complicated, and unless town knew killing the Moon King meant win, there was no reason for the shots to ever happen.
3 scum in an 8 player game is really, really tough for town. Like, really. And so the win condition for scum had to change to ensure we had two full days. Plus the lovers coming back to life, assuming they could draw the night kill, allowed for basically two more ICs to be made.
When I said this was advanced, I didn't really mean the setup. None of the roles is complicated. Nothing too out of the ordinary, really. Instead, you could see that most roles were written with an optimal strategy in mind, but not guaranteed. The Lovers need to realize early on that they MUST draw the NK. It activates their powers, surely, but it also takes the shot away from the Warden, who is the real important role here (keeping Kubo alive). Given Kubo is named, everyone needs to assume there are ways to protect Kubo, and if you aren't one of those ways, you need to realize you have to keep them from dying. So the Lovers want to be NKed for many reasons.
The Warden (basically JK) and Deputy are there as Kubo protection. The 1-Shot Roleblock that scum has is the lottery ticket for them -- block the right person AND shoot Kubo and win. I think generally the optimal play for scum is to try to win through killing everyone else. If you lynch one Warden and kill the other, well, game over and good luck, and shame on those town players.
The Whisper -- I keep including this ability in my games hoping the player who gets it will really use it well. Still hasn't really happened. When players can open QTs with others, it can often lead to great mafia, but for some reason mailmen aren't as effective.
I want this to be an open set-up. It probably needs a White Flag mechanism in there, or it will be scum-favored, I think. But I think there is potential here to make it a true RMM Open Setup.
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Mod QT: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/2XsNYnZKpJpfh
Mafia QT: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/GD9b7MtVJzTq
Speccy: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/hPwE2cTEGzx4F
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Nice
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Funny how our main D1 choice was between two scum.
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Wow! Thanks for the MVP! I did like the game and I sincerely tried to draw the NK. Thing with faust was sad actually, otherwise scum would kill one of us of course. Haven't read the QTs yet but I think last night killing was desperate from scums, otherwise they'd kill me or gkrieg.
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Vote: RR
Vote: gkrieg13
What? Why? Where? When? ?
Non-nativement is killing me sometimes.
This game is short. And will be.
We should have all the chances to win.
[RETURN]
My cat stepped on the keyboard.
What? I don't have any cat.
What will be the start of D2 look like?
we will see after
This plan is impenetrable.
Read carefully.
Unvote
Well, for those who's interested. Actually I screwed up here, but it worked somehow. The main aim of this message was to get to know if my lover is returnable after kill.
Vote: RR
Vote: gkrieg13
I knew gkrieg's my lover, but didn't want to aim him exactly so used two names.
What? Why? Where? When? ? - This means I have a question.
Non-nativement is killing me sometimes. - I was thinking on this post for freaking 4 hours.
This game is short. And will be. - We need to draw NK
We should have all the chances to win. - If we draw it.
[RETURN] - Will you return if dead?
My cat stepped on the keyboard.
What? I don't have any cat. - To show that [return] line is really important, no coincidence because of any cats.
What will be the start of D2 look like? - if you die?
we will see after - your death
This plan is impenetrable. - No one but Lover can read this. Apparently Lover can't also :D
Read carefully. - means what it means.
Unvote - vote was here to address to gkrieg only.
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Why did you want to draw NK? That's a double kill...
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Though well, only other option was killing Warden or backup.
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Why did you want to draw NK? That's a double kill...
Both of us if killed return to the game immediately, me as 1-shot RB, gkrieg as the Kubo Bodyguard
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Vote: RR
Vote: gkrieg13
What? Why? Where? When? ?
Non-nativement is killing me sometimes.
This game is short. And will be.
We should have all the chances to win.
[RETURN]
My cat stepped on the keyboard.
What? I don't have any cat.
What will be the start of D2 look like?
we will see after
This plan is impenetrable.
Read carefully.
Unvote
Well, for those who's interested. Actually I screwed up here, but it worked somehow. The main aim of this message was to get to know if my lover is returnable after kill.
Vote: RR
Vote: gkrieg13
I knew gkrieg's my lover, but didn't want to aim him exactly so used two names.
What? Why? Where? When? ? - This means I have a question.
Non-nativement is killing me sometimes. - I was thinking on this post for freaking 4 hours.
This game is short. And will be. - We need to draw NK
We should have all the chances to win. - If we draw it.
[RETURN] - Will you return if dead?
My cat stepped on the keyboard.
What? I don't have any cat. - To show that [return] line is really important, no coincidence because of any cats.
What will be the start of D2 look like? - if you die?
we will see after - your death
This plan is impenetrable. - No one but Lover can read this. Apparently Lover can't also :D
Read carefully. - means what it means.
Unvote - vote was here to address to gkrieg only.
I don't think I would have ever gotten it. I was already pretty sure you were my lover at that point though.
I initially didn't want us to die because I thought you wouldn't come back, but having us both come back means that us dying would've been very good.
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Ohh.. I see.. reading the mod QT now.
This setup could have gone wildly differently in many ways. Hitting Arch first was probably huge, as he had Roleblock.
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PoE:
Eevee > GKrieg >> Witherweaver > faust >> Axxle > Archetype >> RoadRunner
Wow, I'm good at it :D
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Nice job Town. And well deserved MVP, LaLight. As you may have noticed in the Mafia QT, LL called the entire team super early. Plus his post was pretty ingenious.
The setup was interesting, though I think a bit town sided. It felt like Mafia had less information than the Town instead of the other way around. Witherweaver and faust can confirm each other and gkreig and LaLight can confirm each other. In a game this small, that's huge and really narrows it down to just the Mafia. I think it would work fine as an Open setup as scum then knows what to counterclaim and can potentially try a gambit claiming lovers. Small setups like these are always swingy (if RR had been lynched instead of me, we could have RB'd faust and killed Eevee for the win), but even with the 3 scum members the POE really hurt. Still a fun game though and it really makes me want to see the movie!
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Even one mislynch of anyone would have been a big swing. Scum going down each day just killed any chances.
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Yay! Thanks for running, ash.
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I just thought that if this would be an open setup, then the good strategy for Warden and Deputy would be to breadcrumb Lovers and try to draw nightkill, scum will be aware of that and never kills them. Though levels and levels.
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It just occurred to me, couldn't scum have just won outright by lynching Axxle Day 1 after Faust claimed? Then Arch could Roleblock Faust and they could kill Eevee. They couldn't guarantee there wasn't a second protector/blocker type, but it would still be worth it. In particular I think if RR came in and decided to lynch Axxle, even if they didn't win outright they would have had a good chance.
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And they also had daychat.
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While it looks like an easy town win, there were many outs for scum.
Blocking Faust and killing Eevee was one of them.
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While it looks like an easy town win, there were many outs for scum.
Blocking Faust and killing Eevee was one of them.
That's why I don't see this setup as Open one.
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While it looks like an easy town win, there were many outs for scum.
Blocking Faust and killing Eevee was one of them.
That's why I don't see this setup as Open one.
Not as is, no. But with small tweaks, run as full blitz, yes.
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It just occurred to me, couldn't scum have just won outright by lynching Axxle Day 1 after Faust claimed? Then Arch could Roleblock Faust and they could kill Eevee. They couldn't guarantee there wasn't a second protector/blocker type, but it would still be worth it. In particular I think if RR came in and decided to lynch Axxle, even if they didn't win outright they would have had a good chance.
Since there was three scum and we had a roleblock, we thought it would be incredibly unlikely that there would be less than two protective roles. That would mean even if Town correctly lynched a player D1 they could still lose N1, which we thought would be too swingy. Definitely a tough game and interesting setup though.