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Dominion => Tournaments and Events => Topic started by: Chris is me on November 18, 2016, 02:55:24 pm
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Hey look here is a simple tournament aiming to explore a part of the Dominion metagame that's often left untouched: single expansion kingdoms.
Basicaly, the premise of this tournament is that you will play one game using one set (or the mini sets) from each of 6 sets. Before playing, each player will veto a set, leaving six sets. The six sets remaining are each played with in 1 game each by the two players. This will test your knowledge of sets in isolation as well as your ability to recognize synergy within a set that isn't necessarily highlighted otherwise.
HERE IS THE BRACKET: http://challonge.com/dominion_monoset
Current Pending Games (Bolded game means someone is waiting on you to continue):
Awaclus vs. The Do-Operator
Official Rules:
- 16 players, double elimination
- 3 starts each; play random starts until someone hits 3, then resign until the other player starts blah blah you've all done this before
- Players will be seeded by Iso rank, in a bracket that starts with 1v16, 2v15... etc.
- Before starting the match, each player, starting with the low seed, will veto a set, leaving six sets. Each of the six games will feature Kingdoms and rule modifiers exclusive to one of the six sets remaining.
- If there are any disputes as to the order of the sets played, the first set played shall be decided randomly, and after each game, the loser of the previous game will pick the next set.
- The sets that players will play from / veto are below.
-- Base Set
-- Intrigue
-- Seaside
-- Prosperity (Platinum / Colony on)
-- Hinterlands
-- Dark Ages (Shelters on)
-- Adventures
-- Cornucopia / Guilds (treat as one set)
(note that Alchemy is not on this list at all - will explain elsewhere)
- In the event of a 3-3 tie, a seventh game will be played, with random start, where the set used is the set the HIGHER seed vetoed.
- If the seventh game ends in a tie according to the Dominion rules, the player who went second advances.
- I'm hoping we don't need strict formal deadlines and can just advance between rounds when ready, but if you don't contact your opponent within a week of your matchup being available you'll be subbed out (early rounds) or forefeit (later rounds). If you are holding the tournament up we'll talk. Don't be a dick. We want this done before ShIT is out.
- When posting results, please also include the sets vetoed, just for curiosity's sake.
You're still welcome to sign up as alternates if you want.
Players:
1. Chris is me
2. jsh357
3. IDontPlayThisGame
4. LaLight
5. singletee
6. drsteelhammer
7. Rabid
8. vsiewnar
9. amoffett11
10. The Do-Operator
11. Micha1980
12. markus
13. 4est
14. Awaclus
15. tufftaeh
16. diedre91
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In
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/in
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Are we calling it ShIT? Because that's hilarious but also mean
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/in
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Are we calling it ShIT? Because that's hilarious but also mean
Think of it less as "what a piece of ShIT" and more "The new Dominion is the ShIT!"
I'm not attached to the acronym if it bothers people, but it's memorable and easy to type.
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Hmmm.. /out
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/in
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/in
I think you should give the lower seed some kind of power though. Either choosing second or getting his set not played, both just seems to tilt it so strongly towards the higher seed in close games.
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I think you should give the lower seed some kind of power though. Either choosing second or getting his set not played, both just seems to tilt it so strongly towards the higher seed in close games.
I'll change it so in game 7 the top seed's veto is played instead.
If this doesn't get to 32 by the middle / end of next week maybe I'll switch it to 16/double elim?
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/in
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/in
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/in
This is not somewhere I ever really look, maybe pushing it on Discord will get a few more interested
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/in
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Sounds interesting. I want to say in, but my schedule is busy right now
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I only own Base, Intrigue, Seaside, Prosperity, Dark Ages, Guilds
and I think one more small expansion (not sure) EDIT: no, just the ones I mentioned by name. Can I join?
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Shoot, I don't own all sets either. Judge!
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I'd say go ahead and join, but if you are paired with someone else missing sets you can only veto sets you both don't have (unless between the two of you, you are missing only one set).
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Do you think we'll make it to 16 or do we just go head and play our first round? (latecomer could play against one of the byes)
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I'll figure this out tonight when I get home. Maybe some kind of wacky double elim format where first round byes go to players who haven't signed up yet. Definitely want to get this started and do double elim though.
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/in
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/in
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/in unless it's not too late
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/in unless it's not too late
Nah, signups don't end until I get home and have time to deal with this thread, at the very least. Probably some mechanism to sign up late will persist.
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So if we count Awaclus, we have 14 here. I am thinking we do 16 person, double elimination, and we leave 2 slots open (the 8th and 9th seeds). If no one takes them, the winner of 1v16 gets a second round bye. If two more people sign up, yay, there's room for them to play!
I'll throw a bracket together tonight, probably. Just gotta get a bunch of Iso ranks.
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Here's the bracket (subject to change if something goes wrong or if someone drops / adds). PMs to remind people this exist go out tomorrow. Good luck in Round 1!
http://challonge.com/dominion_monoset
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What should be the setup for events in adventures: 2 or random?
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I am willing to join if anybody else does.
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What should be the setup for events in adventures: 2 or random?
Random, but the result will almost always be 2 anyway, so basically the same.
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Lalight and I played our match and I won 4-3.
Lalight banned Hinterlands, I banned Dark Ages
We picked the order of the sets since there were no rules about it:
I picked Guilds/Cornucopia and lost.
Lalight picked Base and lost.
I picked Seaside and lost
Lalight picked Intrigue and lost.
I picked Adventures and lost.
Lalight "picked" Prosperity and lost.
Naturally, I had to win DA since it was my ban ;) Ignoring Rebuild and Culist, hooray.
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Lalight and I played our match and I won 4-3.
Lalight banned Hinterlands, I banned Dark Ages
We picked the order of the sets since there were no rules about it:
I picked Guilds/Cornucopia and lost.
Lalight picked Base and lost.
I picked Seaside and lost
Lalight picked Intrigue and lost.
I picked Adventures and lost.
Lalight "picked" Prosperity and lost.
Naturally, I had to win DA since it was my ban ;) Ignoring Rebuild and Culist, hooray.
I love how we lose in every game we picked :)
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Missed that rule, whoops. For now let's say the loser of the previous match picks the next match from here on out, unless both players agree to alternative rules. This lets the existing match stand and offers a guideline for future debates.
I'll update the OP with this, the brackets, matchups, and send out PMs throughout the day. Jobs and shit.
I am willing to join if anybody else does.
If no one else joins by the time everyone gets to round 2, you'll be 8th seed with a first round bye.
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I am willing to join if anybody else does.
If you can play next Saturday (December 3rd), I will join. :)
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I am willing to join if anybody else does.
If you can play next Saturday (December 3rd), I will join. :)
Sure! Saturday is fine by me.
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I am willing to join if anybody else does.
If you can play next Saturday (December 3rd), I will join. :)
Sure! Saturday is fine by me.
Great. So I'm /in as well. Will send you a PM soon...
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Chris, would you please assign seed numbers to diedre91 and me, so we don't do everything the wrong way round? :)
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If I am reading the leaderboard right, tufftaeh is #8 and diedre91 is #9 seed. Will update the bracket to match this.
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amoffett11 vetoes Prosperity
singletee vetoes Dark Ages
a picks Base - s wins
a picks Intrigue - a wins
s picks Cornguilds - a wins
s picks Seaside - a wins
s picks Adventures - s wins
Hinterlands - s wins
Dark ages - s wins
Result singletee 4-3 amoffett11
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Singletee defeats amoffett11 4-3. Prosperity and Dark Ages were vetoed
Singletee wins Base (workshop gardens)
amoffett11 wins Intrigue (Bridges-Duke)
amoffett11 wins Seaside (NV/GS/Wharf/Sea Hag and stuff)
amoffett11 wins Corn/Guilds (Tournament and Herald)
Singletee wins Adventures (Page and every Reserve card)
Singletee wins Hinterlands (embassy tunnel)
Singletee wins Dark Ages (Hermit Market Square)
Edit: Ninja'd. Good games Singletee!
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jsh defeats idontplaythis game 4-0
Vetos: Adventures, Intrigue
jsh wins Base
jsh wins Prosperity
jsh wins Corn/Guilds
jsh wins Hinterlands
Recording:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk1nHO3V5zE
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Vsiewnar defeats The Do-Operator 4-2
Do-Operator vetoes Hinterlands
Vsiewnar vetoes Base
Do-Operator picks Dark Ages, Vsiewnar wins
Vsiewnar picks Adventures, Do-Operator wins
Do-Operator picks Cornucopia/Guilds, Do-Operator wins
Vsiewnar picks Seaside, Vsiewnar wins
Do-Operator picks Intrigue, Vsiewnar wins
Last remaining set is Prosperity, Vsiewnar wins
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vs. The Do-Operator
Game 1: https://youtu.be/Wg_VgVfkvHY (https://youtu.be/Wg_VgVfkvHY)
Mystic Mongers
Game 2: https://youtu.be/E01DgwHYa4g (https://youtu.be/E01DgwHYa4g)
Bridge Trolled
Game 3: https://youtu.be/Si5TBdkNsqg (https://youtu.be/Si5TBdkNsqg)
The King's exhibition
Game 4: https://youtu.be/zZ59r9CsDys (https://youtu.be/zZ59r9CsDys)
Oppression
Game 5: https://youtu.be/S0Oxs6bk3fs (https://youtu.be/S0Oxs6bk3fs)
Swindler strikes
Game 6: https://youtu.be/R0S7YGuR8ao (https://youtu.be/R0S7YGuR8ao)
tl,dr: KC,GM
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Rabid 4 : 4est 3
Set Start Winner
Base Rabid 4est
Intrigue Rabid Rabid
Seaside Rabid Rabid
Prosperity 4est 4est
Hinterlands 4est Veto
Dark Ages 4est 4est
Adventures Rabid Veto
Cornucopia / Guilds 4est Rabid
3 - 3 after 6 games
Neither of us have Adventures, so 4est picked Hinterlands for game 7.
I got first player and won the 7th game.
This format was really fun, good idea Chris is me.
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Chris is me 2 - Awaclus 4
Vetoed Intrigue and Prosperity respectively
Seaside - Chris
Base - Awaclus
Hinterlands - Awaclus
Dark Ages - Chris
Guilds - Awaclus
Adventures - Awaclus
Round 2 matches you're free to start whenever they are available, don't worry about waiting for everyone else. I'll update the OP with the new matchups. Bold matchups mean you're holding up the league and you should hustle.
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diedre91 - tufftaeh 1:4
Vetos: Dark Ages / Base
Intrigue: tufftaeh
Proesperity: tufftaeh
Guilds & Cornucopia: diedre
Adventures: tufftaeh
Seaside: tufftaeh
Hope we are not disqualified for not playing the last game...
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We have a slight scene. I'm to play Awaclus and I think we are missing Cornucopia. What should we do? (I have Alchemy if that matters in any way).
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Do you have any gokoins to get the subscriptions for just cornucopia?
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I'm 16 short for the subscription.
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Flip a coin to decide who has to veto the missing set?
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Round 1: markus 4 - 2 Micha1980
Micha1980 vetoed Adventures, markus vetoed Base.
Set Start Winner
Intrigue Micha1980 markus
Seaside markus markus
Prosperity Micha1980 Micha1980
Hinterlands Micha1980 Micha1980
Dark Ages markus markus
Corn./Guilds markus markus
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jsh 3.5 - 1.5 tufftaeh
Seaside JSH
Prosperity JSH
Hinterlands Tie
Corn/Guilds tufftaeh
Adventures JSH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuEN3-1qSts
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We have a slight scene. I'm to play Awaclus and I think we are missing Cornucopia. What should we do? (I have Alchemy if that matters in any way).
Lets go with, whomever has fewer sets loses their veto. Their veto is effectively the sets you both don't have.
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markus 4 - 2 drsteelhammer
vetoes: Dark Ages (drsteelhammer), Base (markus)
Set Start Winner
Intrigue markus markus
Corn. / Guilds markus markus
Adventures drsteelhammer drsteelhammer
Seaside drsteelhammer drsteelhammer
Prosperity markus markus
Hinterlands drsteelhammer markus
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Awaclus 4 - 3 vsiewnar
I vetoed Base (and vsiewnar vetoed Guilds/Corn because we didn't have Corn)
| Set______________ | Start____________ | Winner__________ |
| Seaside | Awaclus | vsiewnar |
| Intrigue | vsiewnar | Awaclus |
| Adventures | Awaclus | vsiewnar |
| Prosperity | Awaclus | Awaclus |
| Hinterlands | vsiewnar | vsiewnar |
| Dark Ages | vsiewnar | Awaclus |
| Base | vsiewnar | Awaclus |
(disclaimer: the games were played over an hour ago and this is just based on my memory so it might have some minor errors, but at least the result of the match is correct)
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Posting Partial results here in case they're lost:
amoffett11 vs 4est, amoffett leads 2-1, and in starts 2-1
4est vetoed Hinterlands, amoffett vetoed Base
so far played Seaside, Intrigue, Corn/Guilds
Remaining: Dark Ages, Adventures, Prosperity
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Lost 0-4 to Do-op
Vetoed Intrigue, he vetoed Seaside
Random picked Hinterlands
I picked Base
I picked Prosperity
I picked Dark Ages
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By the way if you haven't already I would strongly suggest getting Discord so you can join our chat channel and schedule games while FDs is down
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vs Awaclus
Game 1: https://youtu.be/ejgimGELvFU (https://youtu.be/ejgimGELvFU)
Sea Hag shootout
Game 2: https://youtu.be/htFNLG_k7cM (https://youtu.be/htFNLG_k7cM)
Disappointing Swindler
Game 3: https://youtu.be/gz7fikw2ecY (https://youtu.be/gz7fikw2ecY)
Artificer adventure
Game 4: https://youtu.be/vv-WpaLVvUk (https://youtu.be/vv-WpaLVvUk)
Buys blunder
Game 5: https://youtu.be/ewJli33W_gA (https://youtu.be/ewJli33W_gA)
The lone Cartographer against the Highways
Game 6: https://youtu.be/kQPsVIhmk9c (https://youtu.be/kQPsVIhmk9c)
Don't Count on it
Game 7: https://youtu.be/geS9g_v5cFs (https://youtu.be/geS9g_v5cFs)
Old powerhouse
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LaLight 3 - 4 Micha 1980
Micha vetoed Adventures
LaLight vetoed Hinterlands
Set|Turn|Win
1) Base . | . Micha . | . LaLight
2) Seaside . | . Micha . | . Micha
3) Dark Ages . | . Micha . | . LaLight
4) Corn/Guilds . | . LaLight . | . Micha
5) Intrigue . | . LaLight . | . Micha
6) Prosperity . | . Lalight . | . LaLight
7) Hinterlands . | . ? | . Micha
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vs Awaclus
The intrigue game at 8:25 i would have gotten scout over bridge because your terminal is swindler and scout will help your wishing wells.
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Singletee 2 : 4 Rabid
Set-------------|Turn-----|Win
1) Base Singletee Rabid
2) Intrigue Singletee Singletee
3) Seaside Singletee Singletee
4) Corn/Guilds Rabid Rabid
5) Hinterlands Rabid Rabid
6) Prosperity Rabid Rabid
Veto Singletee DarkAges
Veto Rabid Adventures
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Loser's Bracket: amoffett11 defeats 4est 4-2
Base veto (amoffett11)
Intrigue amoffett11
Seaside 4est
Prosperity amoffett11
CornGuilds amoffett11
Hinterlands veto (4est)
Dark Ages 4est
Adventures amoffett11
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IDontPlayThisGame and I are going to play our match this evening.
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Loser's Bracket: amoffett11 defeats DrSteelHammer 4-0
amoffett11 vetoes Base, DSH vetoes Dark Ages
amoffett11 wins Seaside, CornGuilds, Adventures, Hinterlands
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IDontplayThisGame dropped out, decided just to give diedre91 the win instead of finding a sub. Let's keep this going y'all.
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IDontplayThisGame dropped out, decided just to give diedre91 the win instead of finding a sub. Let's keep this going y'all.
I guess he didn't play this game.
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Awaclus 3 : 4 Rabid
Set-------------|Turn-----|Win
1) Base Awaclus Rabid
2) Intrigue Rabid Rabid
3) Corn/Guilds Rabid Awaclus
4) Seaside Awaclus Rabid
5) Hinterlands Awaclus Awaclus
6) Dark Ages Rabid Awaclus
7) Prosperity Awaclus Rabid
Veto Awacus Prosperity
Veto Rabid Adventures (Not owned)
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jsh 4 - markus 3
Veto: Base, Intrigue
Seaside (markus wins)
CornGuilds (jsh wins)
Adventures (markus wins)
Prosperity (jsh wins
Hinterlands (jsh wins)
Dark Ages (markus wins)
Intrigue (jsh wins)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s42sAxJiEYY
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The Do-Operator 4 - 3 Tufftaeh
Vetoes: Hinterlands (Do-Operator), Seaside (Tufftaeh)
From memory, possibly wrong, list of wins:
Base: Tufftaeh
Dark Ages: Tufftaeh
Adventures: Do-Operator
Intrigue: Do-Operator
Cornucopia/Guilds: Tufftaeh
Prosperity: Do-Operator
Tiebreaker: Seaside, Do-Operator wins
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The Do-Operator 4 - 3 Tufftaeh
Vetoes: Hinterlands (Do-Operator), Seaside (Tufftaeh)
From memory, possibly wrong, list of wins:
Base: Tufftaeh
Dark Ages: Tufftaeh
Adventures: Do-Operator
Intrigue: Do-Operator
Cornucopia/Guilds: Tufftaeh
Prosperity: Do-Operator
Tiebreaker: Seaside, Do-Operator wins
Quite a good memory you have there! :)
And thanks for playing on Shuffle iT, even if we haven't played Empires.
Now I'm free for the rest of the year and can happily betatest! See you all in and on 2017...
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Rabid won 3.5-2.5. Twitch is acting up and won't let me post the video at the moment.
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Micha1980 4-3 singletee
s vetoes base
m vetoes adventures
intrigue - m first - s wins
seaside - s first - s wins
hinterlands - m first - m wins
cornguilds - s first - s wins
prosperity - s first - m wins
dark ages - m first - m wins
base - m first - m wins
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Sorry about the delay this weekend - bracket is up to date. Rabid is currently the winner of the winner's bracket, and whomever wins the losers bracket has to beat Rabid, twice !, to win it all.
Also, someone will always be waiting for every match to finish from here on out in the tournament, so get those last ones done !
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Loser's Bracket: Do-Operator defeats amoffett11 4-1
Vetoes: Seaside (Do-Op), Base (amoffett11)
Do-op wins CornGuilds
amoffett11 wins Intrigue
Do-op wins Dark Ages
Do-op wins Prosperity
Do-op wins Hinterlands
Good games, and good luck to all in the rest of the tournament. This was a good one, and I look forward to 2.0 with Empires, and also decent Base games
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vsiewnar 4 - diedre91 1
Veto: Base (vsiewnar), Dark Ages (diedre91)
Seaside (vsiewnar wins)
CornGuilds (diedre91 wins)
Adventures (vsiewnar wins)
Hinterlands (vsiewnar wins)
Intrigue (vsiewnar wins)
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vs diedre91
Game 1: https://youtu.be/ES3u9eZ_6nA (https://youtu.be/ES3u9eZ_6nA)
Money, money everywhere (Seaside)
Game 2: https://youtu.be/AjY8NPqCkp4 (https://youtu.be/AjY8NPqCkp4)
Fast Doctor (Corn/Guilds)
Game 3: https://youtu.be/FqG5ziJxEYg (https://youtu.be/FqG5ziJxEYg)
Artificer gains, Dungeon cycles (Adventures)
Game 4: https://youtu.be/pbAYbdwnTkA (https://youtu.be/pbAYbdwnTkA)
Silver Surfer (Hinterlands)
Game 5: https://youtu.be/kycBI25MMTw (https://youtu.be/kycBI25MMTw)
The Wishing Well fiasco (Intrigue)
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Hey,
I believe the wishing wells should be gained on this board, otherwise you lose. The thing is that you both chose the wrong card to trash here. Wishing wells work well only when their density in your deck is very high, or when there are 2 cards in the deck. This means that you should clearly prefer the trading post as it gets out of the way 2 cards and always give you the same card. Ideally you end up with wishing wells and silvers here before you green. There are other cards of course to consider here and maybe a late upgrade to turn the post into a gold and the ironworks in a duchy is good, depending on how fast your deck cycles, or in other words on how many wells you have and how well they work. But you should expect that after 3 provinces your deck will not cycle good if you split the wells. With all the wells and just silvers, this should not be a problem though.
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I think in that game I would have opened Silver / IW, get Wishing Wells every time with Ironworks, and either Upgrade or Trading Post. I'm inclined to say Upgrade so you can make Bridge your terminal and double Province with a deck that basically becomes Silver, WW, Bridge by the end of the game.
You don't need a two card deck for Wishing Well to be worth it; it doesn't always have to draw 2 cards to be good. But there is benefit to a more monolithic deck and I don't think there is much to make a more complex engine worth it. Sab isn't a huge deal; Ironworks just gains whatever component you lost during greening.
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vsiewnar 4 - Micha1980 3
Veto: Base (vsiewnar), Adventures (Micha1980)
Hinterlands (Micha1980 wins)
Dark Ages (vsiewnar wins)
Corn/Guilds (Micha1980 wins)
Seaside (vsiewnar wins)
Prosperity (Micha1980 wins)
Intrigue (vsiewnar wins)
Base (vsiewnar wins)
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vsiewnar 3 - 4 markus
Start Win
Intrigue V M
Adventures M M
Dark Ages M V
Seaside V V
Corn/Guilds M M
Prosperity V V
Hinterlands V M
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Awaclus 4 - 2 The Do-Operator
I vetoed Base and The Do-Operator vetoed Intrigue.
| Set______________ | Start____________ | Winner__________ |
| Guilds/Corn | The Do-Operator | Awaclus |
| Dark Ages | Awaclus | The Do-Operator |
| Seaside | The Do-Operator | Awaclus |
| Adventures | Awaclus | The Do-Operator |
| Prosperity | The Do-Operator | Awaclus |
| Hinterlands | Awaclus | Awaclus |
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vs Micha1980
Game 1: https://youtu.be/pFJ9W4PxR-Q (https://youtu.be/pFJ9W4PxR-Q)
Fool's Gold tension
Game 2: https://youtu.be/j3af6Z5clH8 (https://youtu.be/j3af6Z5clH8)
Gaining Gold
Game 3: https://youtu.be/vLt7eE4O-DE (https://youtu.be/vLt7eE4O-DE)
Winning Tournaments
Game 4: https://youtu.be/P8LBM3nccXw (https://youtu.be/P8LBM3nccXw)
Piles running
Game 5: https://youtu.be/L1gS6a6fAOo (https://youtu.be/L1gS6a6fAOo)
Cities among the Curses
Game 6: https://youtu.be/946HJMsadtQ (https://youtu.be/946HJMsadtQ)
Somebody get Roadrunner to watch this please!
Game 7: https://youtu.be/SQsr6WbqWlM (https://youtu.be/SQsr6WbqWlM)
Feast fit for a king
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Markus vs Awaclus is next, but jsh357 has apparently resigned, so the winner of that match goes to the Grand Finals vs Rabid.
In the finals, if Rabid loses the first match, a rematch is played.
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Awaclus 4 - 3 markus
I'm too lazy to do the table thing so I'll just post the notes I was making.
seaside markus start awa win
hinterlands awa start awa win
adventures awa start markus win
prosperity markus start markus win
dark ages markus start markus win
corn awa start awa win
intrigue awa start awa win
EDIT: Oh and I vetoed Base and markus vetoed Intrigue.
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Hey,
I believe the wishing wells should be gained on this board, otherwise you lose. The thing is that you both chose the wrong card to trash here. Wishing wells work well only when their density in your deck is very high, or when there are 2 cards in the deck. This means that you should clearly prefer the trading post as it gets out of the way 2 cards and always give you the same card. Ideally you end up with wishing wells and silvers here before you green. There are other cards of course to consider here and maybe a late upgrade to turn the post into a gold and the ironworks in a duchy is good, depending on how fast your deck cycles, or in other words on how many wells you have and how well they work. But you should expect that after 3 provinces your deck will not cycle good if you split the wells. With all the wells and just silvers, this should not be a problem though.
I agree that wishing well density is crucial to the deck functioning. I like opening Wishing Well/Wishing Well into 2-3 upgrades and piling the wishing wells. After getting thin with upgrades, they can upgrade themselves into gold before greening.
Log:
http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?https://dominion-game-logs.s3.amazonaws.com/game_logs/20161219/log.0.1482183217935.txt
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vs markus
Game 1: https://youtu.be/0krLzQjMwN8 (https://youtu.be/0krLzQjMwN8)
Live by the Swindler, die by the Swindler
Game 2: https://youtu.be/uRnLSdBcGtU (https://youtu.be/uRnLSdBcGtU)
What's that under the Bridge?
Game 3: https://youtu.be/4Ox1IKTJum8 (https://youtu.be/4Ox1IKTJum8)
Rags to riches
Game 4: https://youtu.be/sZ7pv5wxvjQ (https://youtu.be/sZ7pv5wxvjQ)
Ambassador showcase
Game 5: https://youtu.be/xyv4YZGHGog (https://youtu.be/xyv4YZGHGog)
Hunting for Hunting Parties
Game 6: https://youtu.be/51oBGlaTCB4 (https://youtu.be/51oBGlaTCB4)
Vault to victory
Game 7: https://youtu.be/EtUtOuqiRKs (https://youtu.be/EtUtOuqiRKs)
Hinterlands hiccup
Thanks Chris and everyone for the tournament!
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Also, that is very instructive, thanks dan
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Final Awaclus 4 - 1 Rabid
Grand Final: Awaclus 1 - 4 Rabid
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Hey,
I believe the wishing wells should be gained on this board, otherwise you lose. The thing is that you both chose the wrong card to trash here. Wishing wells work well only when their density in your deck is very high, or when there are 2 cards in the deck. This means that you should clearly prefer the trading post as it gets out of the way 2 cards and always give you the same card. Ideally you end up with wishing wells and silvers here before you green. There are other cards of course to consider here and maybe a late upgrade to turn the post into a gold and the ironworks in a duchy is good, depending on how fast your deck cycles, or in other words on how many wells you have and how well they work. But you should expect that after 3 provinces your deck will not cycle good if you split the wells. With all the wells and just silvers, this should not be a problem though.
I agree that wishing well density is crucial to the deck functioning. I like opening Wishing Well/Wishing Well into 2-3 upgrades and piling the wishing wells. After getting thin with upgrades, they can upgrade themselves into gold before greening.
Log:
http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?https://dominion-game-logs.s3.amazonaws.com/game_logs/20161219/log.0.1482183217935.txt
Very nice, thanks for the log :)
The circulation that the wishing wells offer ensure that you play the upgrades often enough!
I was wondering about getting more golds after you double province once though. Is it clear to you that they help the deck? My initial feeling is that by keeping less gold your wishing wells can succeed more often by wishing for them selves and therefore you have better reliability.
Maybe though as you want only 3 golds for a province you buy the golds as finding one of them is 1/3 of your mission, but if you were having silvers in your deck instead of golds you would not buy more and keep their number to the minimum (4), since now finding a silver is only a fourth of your goal, or would you still buy silvers?