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Title: Iso index
Post by: diedre91 on August 11, 2016, 08:26:51 am
Quote from: Deadlock39 on July 09, 2016, 07:07:28 pm
A (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15854.0) (86%)
rankname                                  averagepoints#played2nd3rd     iso      season17?
1.Stef (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=1091)4.321.550.0239.568.2    ?
2.gamesou (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=351)3.112.540.0161.553.8   
3.A Drowned Kernel (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=714)3.0930.0134.049.5   
4.Mic Qsenoch (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=942)2.61353.0164.568.2    ?
4.vsiewnar (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=2946)2.61353.0164.556.0    ?
6.SCSN (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=1561)2.3940.0120.563.0   
Stef - gamesou: 4 - 2
Stef - A Drowned Kernel: 4 - 2
Stef - Mic Qsenoch: 4 - 2
Stef - vsiewnar: 4 - 2
Stef - SCSN: 5.5 - 0.5
gamesou - Mic Qsenoch: 3 - 3
gamesou - vsiewnar: 3 - 3
gamesou - SCSN: 4.5 - 1.5
A Drowned Kernel - Mic Qsenoch: 4 - 2
A Drowned Kernel - vsiewnar: 3 - 3
Mic Qsenoch - vsiewnar: 3 - 3
Mic Qsenoch - SCSN: 3 - 3
vsiewnar - SCSN: 2 - 4
Remaining: gamesou-A Drowned Kernel, A Drowned Kernel-SCSN

B1 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15855.0) (86%)
rankname                                  averagepoints#played2nd3rd     iso      season17?
1.Derg17 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=2969)3.517.550.0212.354.9    ?
2.Dingan (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=2406)3.31340.0173.054.7   
3.singletee (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=1739)3.01240.0169.544.2   
4.MVP (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=453)2.914.550.0176.339.6   Yes
5.Polk5440 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=1234)2.911.540.0146.345.8   
6.gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=3229)2.49.540.0134.845.6   
Derg17 - Dingan: 2 - 4
Derg17 - singletee: 4 - 2
Derg17 - MVP: 4 - 2
Derg17 - Polk5440: 4.5 - 1.5
Derg17 - gkrieg: 3 - 3
Dingan - singletee: 3 - 3
Dingan - MVP: 2 - 4
Dingan - gkrieg: 4 - 2
singletee - MVP: 5 - 1
singletee - Polk5440: 2 - 4
MVP - Polk5440: 3 - 3
MVP - gkrieg: 4.5 - 1.5
Polk5440 - gkrieg: 3 - 3
Remaining: Dingan-Polk5440, singletee-gkrieg

B2 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15856.0) (80%)
rankname                                  averagepoints#played2nd3rd     iso      season17?
1.Qvist (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=477)4.02050.0209.049.6   Yes
2.DG (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=103)3.5720.0112.541.1   
3.Rabid (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=239)2.914.550.0155.854.7   Yes
4.ced (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=4857)2.81144.0144.041.4   
5.Mikey the great (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=3721)2.81142.0145.050.7   
6.Burning Skull (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=2519)2.18.540.0111.344.5   
Qvist - DG: 4 - 2
Qvist - Rabid: 5 - 1
Qvist - ced: 3 - 3
Qvist - Mikey the great: 3 - 3
Qvist - Burning Skull: 5 - 1
DG - Rabid: 5 - 1
Rabid - ced: 5 - 1
Rabid - Mikey the great: 4 - 2
Rabid - Burning Skull: 3.5 - 2.5
ced - Mikey the great: 4 - 2
ced - Burning Skull: 3 - 3
Mikey the great - Burning Skull: 4 - 2
Remaining: DG-ced, DG-Mikey the great, DG-Burning Skull

C1 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15857.0) (86%)
rankname                                  averagepoints#played2nd3rd     iso      season17?
1.Beyond Awesome (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=762)3.61850.0205.542.7   Yes
2.2.71828..... (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=2149)3.51440.0208.550.7   
3.joey12 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=2080)3.413.540.0197.349.2   
4.funkdoc (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=2452)2.914.550.0170.352.1    ?
5.The Do-Operator (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=4866)2.41250.0143.532.8   Yes
6.scotty2hotty (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=3044)2.0630.085.538.2   
Beyond Awesome - 2.71828.....: 2 - 4
Beyond Awesome - joey12: 2 - 4
Beyond Awesome - funkdoc: 5 - 1
Beyond Awesome - The Do-Operator: 4 - 2
Beyond Awesome - scotty2hotty: 5 - 1
2.71828..... - joey12: 1 - 5
2.71828..... - funkdoc: 6 - 0
2.71828..... - The Do-Operator: 3 - 3
joey12 - funkdoc: 0.5 - 5.5
joey12 - The Do-Operator: 4 - 2
funkdoc - The Do-Operator: 5 - 1
funkdoc - scotty2hotty: 3 - 3
The Do-Operator - scotty2hotty: 4 - 2
Remaining: 2.71828.....-scotty2hotty, joey12-scotty2hotty

C2 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15858.0) (80%)
rankname                                  averagepoints#played2nd3rd     iso      season17?
1.Seprix (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=2847)3.51440.0176.545.3   
2.aku chi (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=3425)3.41750.0170.534.7    ?
3.schadd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=2867)3.316.550.0180.850.3   Yes
4.Aleimon Thimble (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=3549)2.81140.0144.542.6   
5.Chris is me (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=2934)2.7830.0128.541.6   
6.Jimmmmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=299)1.85.530.074.830.1   
Seprix - aku chi: 3 - 3
Seprix - schadd: 3 - 3
Seprix - Aleimon Thimble: 4 - 2
Seprix - Chris is me: 4 - 2
aku chi - schadd: 2 - 4
aku chi - Aleimon Thimble: 4 - 2
aku chi - Chris is me: 3 - 3
aku chi - Jimmmmm: 5 - 1
schadd - Aleimon Thimble: 2 - 4
schadd - Chris is me: 3 - 3
schadd - Jimmmmm: 4.5 - 1.5
Aleimon Thimble - Jimmmmm: 3 - 3
Remaining: Seprix-Jimmmmm, Aleimon Thimble-Chris is me, Chris is me-Jimmmmm

C3 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15859.0) (90%)
rankname                                  averagepoints#played2nd3rd     iso      season17?
1.Jean-Michel (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=2417)3.71133.0117.047.3   
1.markus (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=3966)3.71133.0117.052.4   
3.E.Honda (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=4687)3.31340.0131.054.7    ?
4.tufftaeh (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=1328)2.81146.0111.050.2   Yes
5.Haddock (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=3251)2.0840.092.033.1   Yes
Jean-Michel - E.Honda: 4 - 2
Jean-Michel - tufftaeh: 3 - 3
Jean-Michel - Haddock: 4 - 2
markus - E.Honda: 4 - 2
markus - tufftaeh: 3 - 3
markus - Haddock: 4 - 2
E.Honda - tufftaeh: 5 - 1
E.Honda - Haddock: 4 - 2
tufftaeh - Haddock: 4 - 2
Remaining: Jean-Michel-markus

D1 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15860.0) (86%)
rankname                                  averagepoints#played2nd3rd     iso      season17?
1.tracer (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=4770)4.02050.0222.039.0   Yes
2.Horist (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=2628)3.61850.0210.053.3   Yes
3.microman (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=1440)2.911.540.0150.831.3   
4.jamfamsam (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=1597)2.713.550.0164.330.1    ?
5.crlundy (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=2778)2.3730.0116.527.7   
6.MtMagus (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=2673)2.0840.0124.029.8   
tracer - Horist: 3 - 3
tracer - microman: 4 - 2
tracer - jamfamsam: 4 - 2
tracer - crlundy: 4 - 2
tracer - MtMagus: 5 - 1
Horist - microman: 5 - 1
Horist - jamfamsam: 3 - 3
Horist - crlundy: 4 - 2
Horist - MtMagus: 3 - 3
microman - jamfamsam: 4.5 - 1.5
microman - MtMagus: 4 - 2
jamfamsam - crlundy: 3 - 3
jamfamsam - MtMagus: 4 - 2
Remaining: microman-crlundy, crlundy-MtMagus

D2 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15861.0) (86%)
rankname                                  averagepoints#played2nd3rd     iso      season17?
1.SearingSpear92 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=4989)4.01640.0216.048.1   
2.amoffett11 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=4784)3.718.550.0209.345.2   Yes
3.Infthitbox (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=4030)3.01550.0175.043.2   No
4.zporiri (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=1031)2.81140.0155.533.9   
5.Jeb (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=2855)2.7830.0110.538.8   
6.Petrovic (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=3213)1.99.550.0117.328.6    ?
SearingSpear92 - amoffett11: 4 - 2
SearingSpear92 - Infthitbox: 4 - 2
SearingSpear92 - zporiri: 4 - 2
SearingSpear92 - Petrovic: 4 - 2
amoffett11 - Infthitbox: 4 - 2
amoffett11 - zporiri: 3 - 3
amoffett11 - Jeb: 4 - 2
amoffett11 - Petrovic: 5.5 - 0.5
Infthitbox - zporiri: 4 - 2
Infthitbox - Jeb: 3 - 3
Infthitbox - Petrovic: 4 - 2
zporiri - Petrovic: 4 - 2
Jeb - Petrovic: 3 - 3
Remaining: SearingSpear92-Jeb, zporiri-Jeb

D3 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15862.0) (60%)
rankname                                  averagepoints#played2nd3rd     iso      season17?
1.diedre91 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=4855)3.61850.0126.033.4    ?
2.gloures (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=4820)3.31030.0110.045.5   
3.Calamitas (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=3313)2.7836.084.037.7   
4.Harley_Beckett (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=2414)2.7834.080.032.2   
5.Joseph2302 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=590)2.7832.0108.026.1   
6.EgorK (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=1546)2.0210.036.026.4   
diedre91 - gloures: 3 - 3
diedre91 - Calamitas: 4 - 2
diedre91 - Harley_Beckett: 5 - 1
diedre91 - Joseph2302: 2 - 4
diedre91 - EgorK: 4 - 2
gloures - Harley_Beckett: 3 - 3
gloures - Joseph2302: 4 - 2
Calamitas - Harley_Beckett: 2 - 4
Calamitas - Joseph2302: 4 - 2


D4 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15863.0) (40%)
rankname                                  averagepoints#played2nd3rd     iso      season17?
1.Dunduks (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=1981)4.0820.092.041.8   
2.Micha1980 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=2900)3.51440.061.040.2   
3.Sciserr (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=4823)3.31030.079.032.4   
4.Ravi Vasudevan (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=2151)1.5320.038.034.0   
5.Mort (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=4840)1.0110.014.025.4   
6.andrewzom (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=4029)-000.00.032.7   
Dunduks - Micha1980: 3 - 3
Dunduks - Sciserr: 5 - 1
Micha1980 - Sciserr: 2 - 4
Micha1980 - Ravi Vasudevan: 4 - 2
Micha1980 - Mort: 5 - 1
Sciserr - Ravi Vasudevan: 5 - 1


E1 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15865.0) (66%)
rankname                                  averagepoints#played2nd3rd     iso      season17?
1.Orange (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=278)4.5920.048.028.5   
2.Gman (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=4999)4.0410.028.019.9   
3.mail-mi (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=475)2.3730.038.023.9    ?
4.Water Polo DMo (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=4531)2.0420.030.017.7   
Orange - mail-mi: 4 - 2
Orange - Water Polo DMo: 5 - 1
Gman - mail-mi: 4 - 2
mail-mi - Water Polo DMo: 3 - 3
Remaining: Orange-Gman, Gman-Water Polo DMo

E2 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15866.0) (66%)
rankname                                  averagepoints#played2nd3rd     iso      season17?
1.levymealone (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=4910)3.87.520.045.826.9   
2.KkuririnN (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=5001)3.31030.045.519.7    ?
3.ErinJ (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=4916)3.0310.030.0-27.2   
4.maximator (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=5004)1.83.520.031.3-22.7   
levymealone - KkuririnN: 3 - 3
levymealone - maximator: 4.5 - 1.5
KkuririnN - ErinJ: 3 - 3
KkuririnN - maximator: 4 - 2
Remaining: levymealone-ErinJ, ErinJ-maximator

average: average points/match
points = 1st criterium = total number of games won
2nd = number of games won amongst players with equal score
3rd = for each won game, sum opponents score
iso = Isotropish rating (http://gokosalvager.com/leaderboard/), irrelevant for the league
season17? = Please post a message after your last match in the results thread stating whether you'll be back

Does anybody know where I can find/calculate this isotropish rating?
Title: Re: Iso index
Post by: Haddock on August 11, 2016, 08:33:58 am
http://gokosalvager.com/leaderboard/

The value in the columns in your quote is mu - 3 sigma, which is the value by which the leaderboard is sorted.
Title: Re: Iso index
Post by: diedre91 on August 11, 2016, 08:52:48 am
Quote from: Haddock on August 11, 2016, 08:33:58 am
http://gokosalvager.com/leaderboard/

The value in the columns in your quote is mu - 3 sigma, which is the value by which the leaderboard is sorted.

Thanks Haddock, I have not realized yet  :o
Title: Re: Iso index
Post by: Infthitbox on August 11, 2016, 10:00:40 am
Not sure if your question was totally sated by the link to the leaderboard, but I've been wanting to post some of these comments for a while now, so I'll just run them out here.

The isotropish rating is an implementation of the TrueSkill (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrueSkill) rating system by Microsoft. The parameters used are:

μ: 25
σ: 25
β: 25
τ: 0.25
draw probability: 0.05


What I don't actually understand is why we use TrueSkill at all. The purpose of TrueSkill is to provide a rating method for multiplayer (>2) games, which is all well and good because you can play 3 and 4 player rated games online. The thing is, we don't rate multiplayer games. The only games that are used to generate the ratings are 2 player, non-bot games. It would make much more sense to use the Glicko or Glicko2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glicko_rating_system) systems, which TrueSkill is based on, if we're just doing 2-player ratings. Why? Because its simpler to calculate and to understand, and, its not patented by Microsoft.
Title: Re: Iso index
Post by: Chris is me on August 11, 2016, 10:18:05 am
Elo would also work well for a 1v1 game, or maybe whatever Smogon uses for Pokemon (some custom Glicko2 derivative), a game with similar levels of both skill and randomness.
Title: Re: Iso index
Post by: Mic Qsenoch on August 11, 2016, 11:27:53 am
Quote from: Infthitbox on August 11, 2016, 10:00:40 am
What I don't actually understand is why we use TrueSkill at all. The purpose of TrueSkill is to provide a rating method for multiplayer (>2) games, which is all well and good because you can play 3 and 4 player rated games online. The thing is, we don't rate multiplayer games. The only games that are used to generate the ratings are 2 player, non-bot games. It would make much more sense to use the Glicko or Glicko2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glicko_rating_system) systems, which TrueSkill is based on, if we're just doing 2-player ratings. Why? Because its simpler to calculate and to understand, and, its not patented by Microsoft.

There's not like a reason other than that's what dougz chose for isotropic, where I believe it also included multiplayer games. Continuing to use trueskill allowed people to at least believe they could compare current ratings with their past ones. Though nowadays that seems pretty impossible. I've never really understood why after the switch to the MF set of games, the levels of the highest players were suddenly 10-15 higher than we'd seen with the Goko isotropish leaderboard. There was a thread once where this was discussed and yed said the implementation was identical.

If someone made another leaderboard with another rating system I bet people would look at it, and then time would tell whether they kept looking at it in the future.
Title: Re: Iso index
Post by: jsh357 on August 11, 2016, 11:34:40 am
Quote from: Mic Qsenoch on August 11, 2016, 11:27:53 am
I've never really understood why after the switch to the MF set of games, the levels of the highest players were suddenly 10-15 higher than we'd seen with the Goko isotropish leaderboard.

Don't believe Mic's lies. He's in on the inflation scam like all the other cheaters.
Title: Re: Iso index
Post by: Chris is me on August 11, 2016, 11:47:30 am
Quote from: jsh357 on August 11, 2016, 11:34:40 am
Quote from: Mic Qsenoch on August 11, 2016, 11:27:53 am
I've never really understood why after the switch to the MF set of games, the levels of the highest players were suddenly 10-15 higher than we'd seen with the Goko isotropish leaderboard.

Don't believe Mic's lies. He's in on the inflation scam like all the other cheaters.

This inflation seemed to apply to everyone. My theory is that we had a much longer period where matchmaking was terrible, so top players won a greater percentage of games.
Title: Re: Iso index
Post by: Infthitbox on August 11, 2016, 02:07:28 pm
Quote from: Mic Qsenoch on August 11, 2016, 11:27:53 am
Quote from: Infthitbox on August 11, 2016, 10:00:40 am
What I don't actually understand is why we use TrueSkill at all. The purpose of TrueSkill is to provide a rating method for multiplayer (>2) games, which is all well and good because you can play 3 and 4 player rated games online. The thing is, we don't rate multiplayer games. The only games that are used to generate the ratings are 2 player, non-bot games. It would make much more sense to use the Glicko or Glicko2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glicko_rating_system) systems, which TrueSkill is based on, if we're just doing 2-player ratings. Why? Because its simpler to calculate and to understand, and, its not patented by Microsoft.

There's not like a reason other than that's what dougz chose for isotropic, where I believe it also included multiplayer games. Continuing to use trueskill allowed people to at least believe they could compare current ratings with their past ones. Though nowadays that seems pretty impossible. I've never really understood why after the switch to the MF set of games, the levels of the highest players were suddenly 10-15 higher than we'd seen with the Goko isotropish leaderboard. There was a thread once where this was discussed and yed said the implementation was identical.

If someone made another leaderboard with another rating system I bet people would look at it, and then time would tell whether they kept looking at it in the future.

I had contemplated building a whole new goko salvager infrastructure that would offer ranking history and perhaps multiple ranking/leaderboard displays (I think we've reverse engineered the MF rating model? not quite sure) and some other features I was kicking around. But it seems pointless with the new Dominion online in 2017; it could be still relevant but I don't know what they will offer in the way of the features salvager currently provides.
Title: Re: Iso index
Post by: Mic Qsenoch on August 11, 2016, 03:04:23 pm
Quote from: Infthitbox on August 11, 2016, 02:07:28 pm
I had contemplated building a whole new goko salvager infrastructure that would offer ranking history and perhaps multiple ranking/leaderboard displays (I think we've reverse engineered the MF rating model? not quite sure) and some other features I was kicking around. But it seems pointless with the new Dominion online in 2017; it could be still relevant but I don't know what they will offer in the way of the features salvager currently provides.

According to this (https://github.com/aiannacc/Goko-Salvager/wiki/Rating-Systems), the MF rating is also Trueskill, but with an additional daily increase in your rating uncertainty. There are more pieces to the exciting story: here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10869.0) and here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10884.0).
Title: Re: Iso index
Post by: Dingan on August 11, 2016, 04:51:48 pm
Bracket of rating systems, anyone?

If we're tossing up ideas, my go-to is least squares ranking on graphs (https://arxiv.org/abs/1011.1716).  It's objective, easy to implement, and can be used in any 2-player (2-team, 2-opponent, 2-whatever) competitive structure.  But honestly I don't know enough about the other ones mentioned to have any sort of opinion on the matter.
Title: Re: Iso index
Post by: 2.71828..... on August 11, 2016, 08:34:23 pm
Yeah, level 50 used to be a rating that only the very best players achieved. Now anyone can be part of the "level 50 club (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Who%27s_Who)" (bottom of the linked page. Also, note for werothegreat since he is the only one that updates the wiki*: that page needs updating**)

*anyone can actually update the wiki.
**or a complete remodelling of the page to denote various eras of dominion online***
***wow, this post is almost growing into one that should be posted here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?board=37.0)