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Title: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: Seprix on April 18, 2016, 02:55:27 pm
(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/5/5a/Village.jpg)

I think I'm going to do two cards a day. There are just so many blah cards in Dominion on their own, the real fun is with the combos. Take Village and Throne Room for example. Perfectly fine cards, but when discussed in a vacuum, meh.

-Is $3 worth an extra Action?
-Best art in all of Dominion?
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: AdrianHealey on April 18, 2016, 02:59:00 pm
Why doesn't village cost 2?
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: Seprix on April 18, 2016, 03:00:57 pm
Why doesn't village cost 2?

I dunno. Hamlet would then possibly be worth $1?
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: Accatitippi on April 18, 2016, 03:03:15 pm
I really like Village. It's the only drawing village for three. (right? -Shanty doesn't count.) Three vs four might be a small difference, but it happens often that you have a 3c hand after the first shuffle and you need that 4c village and end up buying a questionable Silver and are just left longing for good old vanilla Village.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: Dingan on April 18, 2016, 03:13:04 pm
Omg I just realized Pillage is 1 letter away from Village, and that the village they're pillaging in Pillage is the same village as in Village!

(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/5/5a/Village.jpg) (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/7/74/Pillage.jpg)

Clouds have rolled in though.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: Aleimon Thimble on April 18, 2016, 03:25:05 pm
Why doesn't village cost 2?

It would be too easy for either player to win the Village split by a lot. Costing 3 is probably more balanced.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: AdrianHealey on April 18, 2016, 03:28:56 pm
Why doesn't village cost 2?

I dunno. Hamlet would then possibly be worth $1?

Hamlet is fine at 2$ and not strictly worse than village
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: AdrianHealey on April 18, 2016, 03:29:52 pm
Why doesn't village cost 2?

It would be too easy for either player to win the Village split by a lot. Costing 3 is probably more balanced.

With +buy then?
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: ced on April 18, 2016, 03:41:06 pm
I think I'm going to do two cards a day. There are just so many blah cards in Dominion on their own, the real fun is with the combos. Take Village and Throne Room for example. Perfectly fine cards, but when discussed in a vacuum, meh.

Well there's only 3 more base set cards to go by my count. And I doubt anyone will have anything to say about Woodcutter. Could probably do those all in one day.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: yuma on April 18, 2016, 04:00:28 pm
Stephan of Stefan?
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: Awaclus on April 18, 2016, 04:01:00 pm
Omg I just realized Pillage is 1 letter away from Village, and that the village they're pillaging in Pillage is the same village as in Village!

(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/5/5a/Village.jpg) (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/7/74/Pillage.jpg)

Clouds have rolled in though.

http://www.kongregate.com/games/xgenstudios/pillage-the-village
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: Seprix on April 18, 2016, 04:01:56 pm
Omg I just realized Pillage is 1 letter away from Village, and that the village they're pillaging in Pillage is the same village as in Village!

(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/5/5a/Village.jpg) (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/7/74/Pillage.jpg)

Clouds have rolled in though.

WOW
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: Seprix on April 18, 2016, 04:02:28 pm
I think I'm going to do two cards a day. There are just so many blah cards in Dominion on their own, the real fun is with the combos. Take Village and Throne Room for example. Perfectly fine cards, but when discussed in a vacuum, meh.

Well there's only 3 more base set cards to go by my count. And I doubt anyone will have anything to say about Woodcutter. Could probably do those all in one day.

lol, I probably will then.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: McGarnacle on April 18, 2016, 05:03:21 pm
Village is one of the most iconic cards in Dominion. While it gets overshadowed by other villages which combine nice effects, sometimes all you want is +1 Card, +2 Actions. Also, it is useful for teaching the basics of engine building (Village/Smithy).

I think Hunting Party and Haunted Woods and some other cards have a lot better art, though.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: Donald X. on April 18, 2016, 05:05:12 pm
Omg I just realized Pillage is 1 letter away from Village, and that the village they're pillaging in Pillage is the same village as in Village!
Quick, what other card has the Village art in it?
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: Accatitippi on April 18, 2016, 05:07:34 pm
Omg I just realized Pillage is 1 letter away from Village, and that the village they're pillaging in Pillage is the same village as in Village!
Quick, what other card has the Village art in it?
Scrying pool!
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: Dingan on April 18, 2016, 05:10:08 pm
Omg I just realized Pillage is 1 letter away from Village, and that the village they're pillaging in Pillage is the same village as in Village!
Quick, what other card has the Village art in it?
Scrying pool!

I would have never ever noticed that
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: Accatitippi on April 18, 2016, 05:11:33 pm
Omg I just realized Pillage is 1 letter away from Village, and that the village they're pillaging in Pillage is the same village as in Village!
Quick, what other card has the Village art in it?
Scrying pool!

I would have never ever noticed that

Neither would have I.
I just happen to have read every wiki page multiple times.  ;D
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: McGarnacle on April 18, 2016, 05:14:45 pm
Omg I just realized Pillage is 1 letter away from Village, and that the village they're pillaging in Pillage is the same village as in Village!

(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/5/5a/Village.jpg) (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/7/74/Pillage.jpg)

Clouds have rolled in though.

Where is that red knight when you need him?
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: ConMan on April 18, 2016, 06:38:14 pm
Omg I just realized Pillage is 1 letter away from Village, and that the village they're pillaging in Pillage is the same village as in Village!

(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/5/5a/Village.jpg) (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/7/74/Pillage.jpg)

Clouds have rolled in though.

Where is that red knight when you need him?
He hit another Knight and got trashed :(
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: Beyond Awesome on April 18, 2016, 07:05:54 pm
When I started playing, this was my favorite card. Yes, I was a village idiot for a long time.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on April 18, 2016, 07:46:11 pm
People tell me one of the problems with Scout is that Scout BM is apparently worse than straight BM.


I look at Village then look back at them.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: schadd on April 18, 2016, 08:00:19 pm
this is one of three villages that costs 3. fishing village is clearly super strong but still doesn't draw when you play it; shanty town is not necessarily bad but it sort of falls on its face in the proverbial village-smithy situation. village looks lame but is a powerhouse while not in a vacuum.

village and smithy are both very odd in the sense that they are both on the cheap end of a spectrum. whereas pretty much all of the variants add something not related to the drawing process, village and smithy just bring in as many cards as they're worth. this qualifies them to be aesthetically fitting for the base set, they are still very fit for the expanded universe: whereas something like city/rabble forces one to adapt to a game where greening is more (!) baneful and village is expensive but suddenly becomes better at some variable point in the game, village/smithy puts more emphasis on the not-village-or-smithy, and there are a lot of those things now.

2 villages at $6 +buy is pretty good.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: Accatitippi on April 19, 2016, 05:39:20 am
Omg I just realized Pillage is 1 letter away from Village, and that the village they're pillaging in Pillage is the same village as in Village!

[...]

Clouds have rolled in though.

And the "h" has rolled out of the artist's name. Curious.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: theJester on April 19, 2016, 08:37:01 am
Village is well priced at 3$. In fact, when I need a Village or several, I'm more than willing to pay 4$ for it (such as e.g. Framing Village after I've trashed all the green, Walled Village when I0m sure I'll play 3 or more actions this turn etc.).

People tell me one of the problems with Scout is that Scout BM is apparently worse than straight BM.

I look at Village then look back at them.
Village is cheaper and, unlike Scout, is assured to draw you a card.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on April 19, 2016, 08:42:51 am
Village is well priced at 3$. In fact, when I need a Village or several, I'm more than willing to pay 4$ for it (such as e.g. Framing Village after I've trashed all the green, Walled Village when I0m sure I'll play 3 or more actions this turn etc.).

People tell me one of the problems with Scout is that Scout BM is apparently worse than straight BM.

I look at Village then look back at them.
Village is cheaper and, unlike Scout, is assured to draw you a card.
so it's a good BM enabler?
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: Davio on April 19, 2016, 10:02:54 am
Village is well priced at 3$. In fact, when I need a Village or several, I'm more than willing to pay 4$ for it (such as e.g. Framing Village after I've trashed all the green, Walled Village when I0m sure I'll play 3 or more actions this turn etc.).

People tell me one of the problems with Scout is that Scout BM is apparently worse than straight BM.

I look at Village then look back at them.
Village is cheaper and, unlike Scout, is assured to draw you a card.
The card is actually a pretty big deal. Often, I have either a hand full of Festivals or terminals.
With Village, this is less likely.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: theJester on April 19, 2016, 11:01:38 am
Village is well priced at 3$. In fact, when I need a Village or several, I'm more than willing to pay 4$ for it (such as e.g. Framing Village after I've trashed all the green, Walled Village when I0m sure I'll play 3 or more actions this turn etc.).

People tell me one of the problems with Scout is that Scout BM is apparently worse than straight BM.

I look at Village then look back at them.
Village is cheaper and, unlike Scout, is assured to draw you a card.
so it's a good BM enabler?
No, it's terrible; but it's still better BM enabler than Scout.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: Haddock on April 19, 2016, 11:28:21 am
(such as e.g. Framing Village
Framing Village - $4 Action
+1 Card
+2 Actions
You may slip an incriminating item into another player's pocket without them noticing.  If you do, that player immediately loses.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: Witherweaver on April 19, 2016, 11:47:14 am
Clouds have rolled in though.

There's a storm coming.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: AdrianHealey on April 19, 2016, 11:59:03 am
Village is well priced at 3$. In fact, when I need a Village or several, I'm more than willing to pay 4$ for it (such as e.g. Framing Village after I've trashed all the green, Walled Village when I0m sure I'll play 3 or more actions this turn etc.).

People tell me one of the problems with Scout is that Scout BM is apparently worse than straight BM.

I look at Village then look back at them.
Village is cheaper and, unlike Scout, is assured to draw you a card.
The card is actually a pretty big deal. Often, I have either a hand full of Festivals or terminals.
With Village, this is less likely.

There is an increase of 25% of likelihood that you get a useful card together with your village, so that's cool.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: Marcory on April 19, 2016, 12:38:35 pm
(such as e.g. Framing Village
Framing Village - $4 Action
+1 Card
+2 Actions
You may slip an incriminating item into another player's pocket without them noticing.  If you do, that player immediately loses.

The problem would be the online implementation of this. Framing is great with Windows, but I'm not sure about Linux or iOS.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: Kirian on April 19, 2016, 03:16:50 pm
People tell me one of the problems with Scout is that Scout BM is apparently worse than straight BM.


I look at Village then look back at them.

I have certainly never used that as an example for why Scout (or any other card) is bad.  Forager is an amazing card, but Forager-BM isn't happening.  Similarly Ironmonger at $4, that would be a terrible BM game.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on April 19, 2016, 03:28:28 pm
People tell me one of the problems with Scout is that Scout BM is apparently worse than straight BM.


I look at Village then look back at them.

I have certainly never used that as an example for why Scout (or any other card) is bad.  Forager is an amazing card, but Forager-BM isn't happening.  Similarly Ironmonger at $4, that would be a terrible BM game.
I didn't mention any names! It's 'some people,' not 'Kirian.'
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: Donald X. on April 19, 2016, 05:04:21 pm
And the "h" has rolled out of the artist's name. Curious.
"Stephan" is correct; there have been a few mistakes in artist names over the years.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Base Set Cards: Village
Post by: wachsmuth on April 19, 2016, 05:32:07 pm
People tell me one of the problems with Scout is that Scout BM is apparently worse than straight BM.


I look at Village then look back at them.

I have certainly never used that as an example for why Scout (or any other card) is bad.  Forager is an amazing card, but Forager-BM isn't happening.  Similarly Ironmonger at $4, that would be a terrible BM game.

Ironmonger-BM is much better than Vanilla-BM. Sifting, money and potentially draw makes it a pretty solid and quite spammable BM enabler. It's apparently about as good as Smithy according to the wiki. The reason that Ironmonger-BM is rarely seen is that Ironmonger also enables or helps a lot of other strategies, and they are often going to be better.