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Dominion => Puzzles and Challenges => Topic started by: King Leon on March 28, 2016, 05:23:41 am

Title: Max amount of $ in Treasury-card-only deck.
Post by: King Leon on March 28, 2016, 05:23:41 am
Assuming Philosopher's Stone is neither in the Kingdom nor in the Black Market pile. What is the maximum amount of $ I can play in one turn, when my deck contains only Treasury cards and I start my turn with 5 Treasury cards in my hand?
Title: Re: Max amount of $ in Treasury-card-only deck.
Post by: faust on March 28, 2016, 05:48:32 am
I can get to   80  .

Hand: Counterfeit, Counterfeit, Venture, Bank, Bank.

Play Venture ($1)
  reveal Venture *9 ($9)
  reveal Bank ($11)
Play Counterfeit ($1)
  play Counterfeit *2 ($2)
    play Bank *2 ($28)
    trash Bank
    play Bank *2 ($28)
 trash Counterfeit


EDIT: optimized solution.
Title: Re: Max amount of $ in Treasury-card-only deck.
Post by: Chris is me on March 28, 2016, 07:39:33 am
Well, 10 obviously. You play 10 Treasuries, then you're out of cards in your hand  ::)

(I know what you meant I'm just being an ass)
Title: Re: Max amount of $ in Treasury-card-only deck.
Post by: werothegreat on March 28, 2016, 08:44:44 am
Well, if I've got 10 Hirelings and I've Princed 10 Hunting Groundses (4-player game), then I'm assuming quite a lot.
Title: Re: Max amount of $ in Treasury-card-only deck.
Post by: wachsmuth on March 28, 2016, 08:59:10 am
Within the constraints, there are a couple of ways to get unbounded money.

1. You can Procession-Procession-Champion, then pick the Champion up with Graverobber again to get unlimited Champions into play. Prince some action (say, a Ruined Village). Pick up a Raze to trash away all the non-treasures, then trash the Raze itself. Playing the Princed Ruined Village now gets +1 Action for every Champion in play. Then play Diadem for unbounded money. I think this works, I'm not really sure how Champion and Prince interacts.

2. Prince a Pirate Ship. Attack other players an unbounded amount of time. Since they can pick up treasures from the trash again with Graverobber, this can continue indefinitely. Play the princed Pirate Ship for unbounded money.
Title: Re: Max amount of $ in Treasury-card-only deck.
Post by: gloures on April 02, 2016, 04:47:42 pm
I can get to   80  .

Hand: Counterfeit, Counterfeit, Venture, Bank, Bank.

Play Venture ($1)
  reveal Venture *9 ($9)
  reveal Bank ($11)
Play Counterfeit ($1)
  play Counterfeit *2 ($2)
    play Bank *2 ($28)
    trash Bank
    play Bank *2 ($28)
 trash Counterfeit


EDIT: optimized solution.

I think I can do slightly better, though I have a small rules doubt regarding my solution

Hand: Counterfeit, Venture, Bank, Bank, Bank.

Play Counterfeit ($1)
   Play Venture ($1)
      reveal Venture *9 ($9)
      reveal Counterfeit ($1)
         Play Bank *2 ($26)
         Thrash Bank
  Play Venture ($1)
       reveal Counterfeit ($1)
          Play Bank *2 ($28)
          Thrash Bank
  Thrash Venture
Play Bank ($13)
 
 
For a total of 81

I did have a small rules doubt though, I assumed the Venture should only get trashed after resolving itīs effect twice and not before, am I right? If not faustīs solution is still better.


Title: Re: Max amount of $ in Treasury-card-only deck.
Post by: Mic Qsenoch on April 02, 2016, 05:44:34 pm
I did have a small rules doubt though, I assumed the Venture should only get trashed after resolving itīs effect twice and not before, am I right? If not faustīs solution is still better.

You have it right.
Title: Re: Max amount of $ in Treasury-card-only deck.
Post by: Roadrunner7671 on April 02, 2016, 05:54:13 pm
Well, 10 obviously. You play 10 Treasuries, then you're out of cards in your hand  ::)

(I know what you meant I'm just being an ass)
Play Highway and Inherit Treasuries!
Title: Re: Max amount of $ in Treasury-card-only deck.
Post by: eHalcyon on April 02, 2016, 08:22:53 pm
Well, 10 obviously. You play 10 Treasuries, then you're out of cards in your hand  ::)

(I know what you meant I'm just being an ass)
Play Highway and Inherit Treasuries!

Inherited Estates are still Estates.
Title: Re: Max amount of $ in Treasury-card-only deck.
Post by: gloures on April 02, 2016, 08:26:27 pm
Ok, new solution and more rules trouble...



In the following, would the Ventures be trashed in the moment after I played the Counterfeit, or it would, like I assumed, be trashed after everything is resolved?

Hand: Venture, Venture, Venture, Venture, Bank

Play Venture (1$)
   Reveal Venture *6 (6$)
   Reveal Counterfeit (1$)
      Play Venture (1$)
         Reveal Bank (10$)
      Play Venture (1$)
         Reveal Counterfeit (1$)
              Play Venture (1$)
                  Reveal Bank (13$)
              Play Venture (1$)
                  Reveal Counterfeit (1$)
                       Play Venture (1$)
                             Reveal Bank (16$)
                       Play Venture (1$)
                             Reveal Counterfeit (1$)
                                   Play Bank *2 ($36)
                                   Thrash Bank
                      Thrash Venture
               Thrash Venture
         Thrash Venture     

For a total of $90


Sorry for all the rules trouble, in the other time I was pretty positive I was right, in this one Iīm kinda clueless
Title: Re: Max amount of $ in Treasury-card-only deck.
Post by: King Leon on April 02, 2016, 08:36:47 pm
Ok, new solution and more rules trouble...



In the following, would the Ventures be trashed in the moment after I played the Counterfeit, or it would, like I assumed, be trashed after everything is resolved?

Hand: Venture, Venture, Venture, Venture, Bank

Play Venture (1$)
   Reveal Venture *6 (6$)
   Reveal Counterfeit (1$)
      Play Venture (1$)
         Reveal Bank (10$)
      Play Venture (1$)
         Reveal Counterfeit (1$)
              Play Venture (1$)
                  Reveal Bank (13$)
              Play Venture (1$)
                  Reveal Counterfeit (1$)
                       Play Venture (1$)
                             Reveal Bank (16$)
                       Play Venture (1$)
                             Reveal Counterfeit (1$)
                                   Play Bank *2 ($36)
                                   Thrash Bank
                      Thrash Venture
               Thrash Venture
         Thrash Venture     

For a total of $90


Sorry for all the rules trouble, in the other time I was pretty positive I was right, in this one Iīm kinda clueless

The text of Counterfeit is very clear: First play the Treasury card twice and then - after all on-play effects are resolved - trash it.


That's exactly the solution, I also have found. The key aspect is a chain of Counterfeiting Ventures. I also had a version with Ill-gotten Gains and Bank, but it never hit $90

And yes: Reserve/Duration cards, Prince and inherited Estates are not allowed here.