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Dominion => Dominion General Discussion => Topic started by: AdamH on February 01, 2016, 12:52:29 pm
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I've thought for a long time about this, and I suspect many other people will have a similar issue. With Empires being released, there will no longer be enough room for all Dominion expansions' kingdom cards and a set of supply cards to play with in one box.
Here's my current storage solution (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=5121.msg182090#msg182090)
These boxes are now being sold as Dominion storage solutions, but I use Fantasy Flight sleeves (and I'm not willing to give them up). There just isn't enough room in this box for all the cards. There are plenty of solutions out there that involve multiple boxes, or can accommodate unsleeved cards. Hopefully this thread can help brainstorm some solutions.
Binders:
I've seen some really big binders out there, and they're plenty big enough, strong enough, and elegant enough to hold everything all at once. Sure, getting cards out of these things takes longer than it would with just one big box, but I'd be happy if I could get this to work. The main problem comes in when you require any kind of sleeves.
You can transport these binders and not worry about your cards falling all over the place because the stacks of cards fit tightly enough into the pages to prevent this. With sleeves, not only can I not find pages that will hold a stack of 10 or 12 sleeved cards, but even if I could, I'm not sure they would hold the cards tightly enough for them to stay put while not damaging the sleeves. This might be a dealbreaker but maybe there's something out there that I don't know about yet.
One big box:
The Hobby Lobby Box (http://www.hobbylobby.com/p/5227) has been the standard for this up until now. With some reinforcement and an extra box to cannibalize parts from, I was able to put something together that was strong enough and looked good. I even got to wood-burn a design on the front and it really grabs a lot of attention. No lie: people have sat down with me to learn and play Dominion because of that box.
But it's not big enough anymore, and I haven't seen any sort of case out there that's appropriate for this. I'm not the handiest person in the world, so I don't think I could make something like this from scratch that was strong enough and that looked good. A bigger box would be just fine but I just don't know where to start. I haven't given up, and I'll post anything interesting here, but that's about where I'm at right now.
So if there are any ideas, maybe we can brainstorm here together. Oh yeah, and I'd really like it if this thread didn't get de-railed. Silence would be vastly superior to that in my opinion, so I'll be pressing the "report to moderator" button on every post that deviates from this topic. Please, let's not waste theory's time here. <3
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I just finished transferring all of my cards into the Hobby Lobby box. There isn't a lot of room to spare . . . but I keep all 3 sets of base cards in there and could easily move some of those out to make space. If I got rid of the randomizers as well I could end up fitting 3 more expansions in the box, with the current setup (which includes all mats and tokens, and Mayday sleeves.)
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What kind of dividers do you use? I had to make my own out of PlexiGlas™ since I need to store my cards vertically, they are about as thin as I really think is feasible.
Also I've had some issues with Mayday sleeves -- like sleeves from two different packs being sized differently enough that I can tell the difference easily. Like, I just ordered these sleeves for my latest IRL tournament and now I want to throw away all of my Mayday sleeves and just unsleeved for those games (I inherited a set with several expansions that was sleeved with Maydays).
I'd be happy if there was enough room to store all kingdom cards and just one set of base cards in the box, I already carry around a cardboard box for extra base cards and such.
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I'll post pictures of my storage solution at some point.
It will fit everything including empires (unsleeved) I think as long as I remove the extra set of intrigue Base cards. Just posting here to remind me to actually post this.
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What kind of dividers do you use? I had to make my own out of PlexiGlas™ since I need to store my cards vertically, they are about as thin as I really think is feasible.
I made some out of cardboard. While my wife was watching Making a Murderer in the next room, so in my mind Dominion will forever be associated with Steve Avery.
Have a link. (http://i.imgur.com/bWWtVLt.jpg)
Also I've had some issues with Mayday sleeves -- like sleeves from two different packs being sized differently enough that I can tell the difference easily. Like, I just ordered these sleeves for my latest IRL tournament and now I want to throw away all of my Mayday sleeves and just unsleeved for those games (I inherited a set with several expansions that was sleeved with Maydays).
I've noticed that there's a size difference, but it's only apparent if I'm really looking and if all the cards are perfectly aligned, neither of which condition comes up in games for me.
I'd be happy if there was enough room to store all kingdom cards and just one set of base cards in the box, I already carry around a cardboard box for extra base cards and such.
My ideal would be getting everything (including the instructions) into one container, but that probably won't happen. If I take out one set of base cards I still have 2 which is enough for 6 player games (or 2 4-player games.)
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What kind of dividers do you use? I had to make my own out of PlexiGlas™ since I need to store my cards vertically, they are about as thin as I really think is feasible.
I made some out of cardboard. While my wife was watching Making a Murderer in the next room, so in my mind Dominion will forever be associated with Steve Avery.
Are they rigid? Or are they like thick cardstock? If they aren't rigid, do you have any issues with them? Are they pre-made, like you printed them out?
Maybe I can squeeze in another expansion if I re-do my dividers yet again :-\
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My dividers are on heavy card stock printed from Sumpfork's tab generator
http://domtabs.sandflea.org/
Laminating them (which I haven't done yet) would make them more durable and not take up as much space as the plexiglass, I think.
I will probably have room in my Hobby Lobby box for Empires but my cards aren't sleeved.
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Are they rigid? Or are they like thick cardstock? If they aren't rigid, do you have any issues with them? Are they pre-made, like you printed them out?
Nothing so fancy. I just cut up a cardboard box. The measurements are very crude so there are gaps everywhere but they get the job done. I'm sure someone who knows what they are doing could do a better job.
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I have not used the Hobby Lobby box but I think two of these are the answer. At least then I will have some stress-free room-to-grow.
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I have the Hobby Lobby box with the dividers from Spielgeek. They're a little pricey, but saved a ton of work making them myself.
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We recently switched to the binder which is great (we don't sleeve our cards). Empires will likely fit without an issue but if/when another expansion comes out we are going to need to rethink everything.
I don't think it would be too difficult to make a box that is a little bigger than the Hobby Lobby box. It would be nice if you could put some kind of storage for mats, tokens, et. al. in the lid. Little pockets or something. And when I say it wouldn't be too difficult I mean I will probably ask my friend to enjoys wood working to do it for me. But two Hobby Lobby boxes just seem like too much. Then again we were lugging around all 10 boxes up until this fall :/
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Such is the nature of my obsession that I'm not really concerned about money when it comes to this.
I'll take a closer look at these dividers when I get a chance -- the last time I looked for printable dividers I didn't find any at all that were vertical, which is super-lame.
Nana-king, if you end up contacting this friend, let me know, maybe? I'll be your best friend <3
...I wonder what it's like to have friends...
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I'll take a closer look at these dividers when I get a chance -- the last time I looked for printable dividers I didn't find any at all that were vertical, which is super-lame.
There are plenty of vertical dividers out there - I'll upload a picture of my setup tonight and include a link for what I used.
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I will say this. I used to use the binders, and while a decent storage solution, they can sometimes mess up sleeves. I now use a wooden case and will likely just buy a second wooden case.
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I could probably make Empires fit in my Hobby Lobby box by removing my third set of base cards and/or the mats, but 1) I'd rather keep everything together and 2) if there's ever another expansion after Empires there would just be no way. So I've started looking into a briefcase solution. I envision something about 5 x 2 inches larger with custom cut foam inside. That would give me one more row than the Hobby Lobby box and each row would be a bit longer.
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I'm hoping empires will fit in my hobby lobby box, but I also use Mayday sleeves and the plastic bag method. So that's not much help. I'd love to make custom boxes, but alas, living in an apartment doesn't allow me the woodworking tools I'd like to have. Maybe I could design one and make it when I go home sometime
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The Sumpfork dividers print horizontal or vertical. Mine are vertical.
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Everything for me fits in the Big Box: http://imgur.com/a/dp4BI I think that Empires should still fit as well. I simply used regular paper for the dividers. They are a bit flimsy but still do the trick. I think if you used a bit tougher paper it would still work. I am very careful when carrying that thing around though, not sure how long it will hold up but it has lasted since September fairy well including lugging it to a game night at someone else's place.
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It's not very glamorous, but I have everything except Adventures in a white 5000-card box. Each set of 10 is in a card sleeve. I have foam blocks separating the expansions from each other.
Adventures is not in the box because I need more sleeves. I also do not sleeve my cards individually.
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I previously had kept each set of 10 (or more) in 3x4 inch ziplock bags and everything fit into a single large expansion Dominion Box.
I did the Hobby Lobby box last year after getting Adventures, because things no longer fit. I also got the thicker Mayday Sleeves at that time because my base cards were starting to show quite a bit of wear. I wrapped each Kingdom card in a strip of cardstock to make a rudimentary envelope, and labeled the top of them so I could pack the cards in the box really tightly. That allowed everything to fit with a bit of extra room for all the tokens in the last row. Another 300 card expansion will definitely overflow the box with the thicker sleeves, so at this point I think my plan is to come up with a separate solution for all the basic cards. Removing those will certainly allow Empires to fit.
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Sorry for the delay, I didn't get a chance to look at these until recently.
I made some out of cardboard. While my wife was watching Making a Murderer in the next room, so in my mind Dominion will forever be associated with Steve Avery.
Have a link. (http://i.imgur.com/bWWtVLt.jpg)
This looks pretty spiffy -- it looks like the kingdom cards are packed in pretty tightly on the right side there, yeah? Do you have any trouble getting them out to play with them or closing the box? Or are they just not really all that tight?
My dividers are on heavy card stock printed from Sumpfork's tab generator
http://domtabs.sandflea.org/
This actually looks pretty nice. I will have to do some experimentation on these -- last I saw this generator it didn't support vertical dividers so this solution is something new to me that might work well. I may be able to get away with experimenting with different types of paper to see what's the thinnest thing I like, then trying to calculate how much space that will save me. While I'm reluctant to change my dividers again, it's mostly because I spent a ton of time on the ones I currently have, which isn't actually a good reason. The PlexiGlas isn't perfect and having opaque, tabbed, double-sided dividers might be a good thing.
I'll upload a picture of my setup tonight and include a link for what I used.
I'm still waiting with baited breath :P I think I've seen what you use IRL but I don't really remember the dividers at all.
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I'm pretty sure it's "bated breath"
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I'm pretty sure it's "bated breath"
I'm pretty sure 'baited breath' is grammatically correct. For instance, the breath could be part of some daring conniving plot. I'm less sure that's what Adam intended, but I'm even less sure what the point of the tangent is, so oh well.
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I'd really like it if this thread didn't get de-railed. Silence would be vastly superior to that in my opinion, so I'll be pressing the "report to moderator" button on every post that deviates from this topic. Please, let's not waste theory's time here. <3
Please, let's not get into this.
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I'd really like it if this thread didn't get de-railed. Silence would be vastly superior to that in my opinion, so I'll be pressing the "report to moderator" button on every post that deviates from this topic. Please, let's not waste theory's time here. <3
Please, let's not get into this.
Oh, sorry, I didn't actually read your initial wall of text. Just skimmed.
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I made some out of cardboard. While my wife was watching Making a Murderer in the next room, so in my mind Dominion will forever be associated with Steve Avery.
Have a link. (http://i.imgur.com/bWWtVLt.jpg)
This looks pretty spiffy -- it looks like the kingdom cards are packed in pretty tightly on the right side there, yeah? Do you have any trouble getting them out to play with them or closing the box? Or are they just not really all that tight?
They aren't that tight - the box closes with no issues and there's enough space on the farthest right row to get them out easily, but a little harder for the middle one. The biggest issue is that the dividers are made out of regular printer paper so they tend to get crinkled and folded over (I skimped, I will probably go back later and make some better ones.)
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Here's what I use - three two-rowed baseball card boxes (holds everything including Empires, but no mats [and this is 2 pictures of 1 of the boxes, and not the one with Empires, nice try]). The cards are all in FFG sleeves. On the bottom left are Myke Atkinson's dividers (https://boardgamegeek.com/filepage/64399/simple-clean-black-and-white-dominion-dividers). They're printed on thick paper, with a penny sleeve over top of them for a little added protection against wear. It's very easy to make this setup modular and swap things around, so I can take any three or four expansions to game night in just one box. Base cards are carried in a separate small box.
On the right are my old custom dividers I made back when I had far too much time. I like that everything is larger on them, but they're too short (they were designed back when my cards were unsleeved). I'm slowing replacing them with the Atkinson dividers, which I will eventually color at the top with highlighters.
One of these days I think I'll draw the Dominion logo on top of all the boxes, and ring the box lid with the expansion symbols.
(http://i.imgur.com/iJ5QHtr.jpg?1) (http://i.imgur.com/zC5TqNp.jpg?1)
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Oh dear. You have ordered those by expansion, then name, as opposed to by expansion, then by cost, then by name. This makes me sad. :(
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Oh dear. You have ordered those by expansion, then name, as opposed to by expansion, then by cost, then by name. This makes me sad. :(
Why does it make you sad that I sort things in the way that results in the quickest set-up time?
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Oh dear. You have ordered those by expansion, then name, as opposed to by expansion, then by cost, then by name. This makes me sad. :(
Why does it make you sad that I sort things in the way that results in the quickest set-up time?
It would be quicker if it were by cost before it were by name! That's how they're lined up in my brain! I'm expecting Plaza after Advisor, not Baker!
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You mean you all don't just alphabetize all of them, so you can use a randomizer to find the cards alphabetically?
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You mean you all don't just alphabetize all of them, so you can use a randomizer to find the cards alphabetically?
I used to, when I stored everything in one box. But sorting by expansion lets me bring a nice variety that's still coherent, without lugging way too much weight to game night.
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I have everything sorted by expansion, randomly, without labels.
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With everything in one box, I sort by cost first and then alphabetically. That is how the couple randomizers I use sort them in the results, so it seems good to me.
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...this is how it begins, isn't it. AHEM. Anyways...
On the bottom left are Myke Atkinson's dividers (https://boardgamegeek.com/filepage/64399/simple-clean-black-and-white-dominion-dividers). They're printed on thick paper, with a penny sleeve over top of them for a little added protection against wear.
So one of the issues I had with my first dividers (http://www.adamhorton.com/files/dominionstorage03.jpg) was that that design didn't extend well to vertical dividers -- I just had my randomizer card in a sleeve and used tape and regular paper to make a tab. There were other issues with that as well.
But just sticking a sleeve over the divider, that's a nice idea.
Thing is, one of my IRL friends whose set I borrow for my tournaments uses the same boxes you do, and has similar dividers (they're just index cards that are hand-written, but it's the same idea). I really like having tabbed dividers because you can see a lot more card names that way (my PlexiGlas™ dividers are transparent which serves the same purpose) so I'm a little apprehensive about how a tabbed divider would look with a sleeve over it.
The fact that there are so many different ideas out there for dividers and so many people are going to have room for Empires makes me optimistic that changing dividers will help. I should be able to do a quick study to see how much room I'll save by doing this and whether or not it will be enough. :)
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Here's what I use - three two-rowed baseball card boxes...
This is also the storage solution I use.
I used to store cards alphabetically by expansion, but have changed to just alphabetically. I keep a regular Dominion box for transporting cards that I am going to use for a particular gaming session. This way I do not bring everything and do not overwhelm new-ish players with dozens of cards and accessories we are not even going to touch.
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I just have a small bookshelf with all the expansions that I own.
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My dividers are on heavy card stock printed from Sumpfork's tab generator
http://domtabs.sandflea.org/
This actually looks pretty nice. I will have to do some experimentation on these -- last I saw this generator it didn't support vertical dividers so this solution is something new to me that might work well. I may be able to get away with experimenting with different types of paper to see what's the thinnest thing I like, then trying to calculate how much space that will save me. While I'm reluctant to change my dividers again, it's mostly because I spent a ton of time on the ones I currently have, which isn't actually a good reason. The PlexiGlas isn't perfect and having opaque, tabbed, double-sided dividers might be a good thing.
I use these and absolutely love them. If you have a bit of money to spend, just have them printed on regular paper and then laminated. They hold up well, but aren't too thick. Otherwise, using unlaminated card stock is a good second option. My first set was on card stock and held up fairly well.
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...this is how it begins, isn't it. AHEM. Anyways...
On the bottom left are Myke Atkinson's dividers (https://boardgamegeek.com/filepage/64399/simple-clean-black-and-white-dominion-dividers). They're printed on thick paper, with a penny sleeve over top of them for a little added protection against wear.
So one of the issues I had with my first dividers (http://www.adamhorton.com/files/dominionstorage03.jpg) was that that design didn't extend well to vertical dividers -- I just had my randomizer card in a sleeve and used tape and regular paper to make a tab. There were other issues with that as well.
I certainly don't think tabbed dividers would work well with my system - not sure on a solution there. For tabs, it sounds like what you need is lamination.
(also, not sorry for talking about sorting Dominion in a thread about storing Dominion, an inherently related topic :P)
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I went to the copy shop today and got a couple of sheets of various sizes of cardstock. The "110 lbs" cardstock seemed sturdy enough, though maybe the tabs might wear down after a while, I'm not sure...
In any case, I measured the thickness of these vs. the ones I currently have and found it should give me room for 220 more cards. This is sort of a conservative guess so hopefully it will be a little more in practice, and I may have a little bit of wiggle room.
Over the next couple of weekends I'll get the dividers printed and start the very long process of cutting them out -- I want tabbed dividers so there will have to be a lot of cutting done by hand...
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I went to the copy shop today and got a couple of sheets of various sizes of cardstock. The "110 lbs" cardstock seemed sturdy enough, though maybe the tabs might wear down after a while, I'm not sure...
In any case, I measured the thickness of these vs. the ones I currently have and found it should give me room for 220 more cards. This is sort of a conservative guess so hopefully it will be a little more in practice, and I may have a little bit of wiggle room.
Over the next couple of weekends I'll get the dividers printed and start the very long process of cutting them out -- I want tabbed dividers so there will have to be a lot of cutting done by hand...
Can you laminate them to cut down on wear? Or would that add too much to the thickness? You can buy sheets of laminate paper for pretty cheap. Though being married to a teacher might give you laminater machine privileges.
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I went to the copy shop today and got a couple of sheets of various sizes of cardstock. The "110 lbs" cardstock seemed sturdy enough, though maybe the tabs might wear down after a while, I'm not sure...
In any case, I measured the thickness of these vs. the ones I currently have and found it should give me room for 220 more cards. This is sort of a conservative guess so hopefully it will be a little more in practice, and I may have a little bit of wiggle room.
Over the next couple of weekends I'll get the dividers printed and start the very long process of cutting them out -- I want tabbed dividers so there will have to be a lot of cutting done by hand...
Can you laminate them to cut down on wear? Or would that add too much to the thickness? You can buy sheets of laminate paper for pretty cheap. Though being married to a teacher might give you laminater machine privileges.
These are good questions that I do not know the answers to. I will find out.
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I went to the copy shop today and got a couple of sheets of various sizes of cardstock. The "110 lbs" cardstock seemed sturdy enough, though maybe the tabs might wear down after a while, I'm not sure...
In any case, I measured the thickness of these vs. the ones I currently have and found it should give me room for 220 more cards. This is sort of a conservative guess so hopefully it will be a little more in practice, and I may have a little bit of wiggle room.
Over the next couple of weekends I'll get the dividers printed and start the very long process of cutting them out -- I want tabbed dividers so there will have to be a lot of cutting done by hand...
Can you laminate them to cut down on wear? Or would that add too much to the thickness? You can buy sheets of laminate paper for pretty cheap. Though being married to a teacher might give you laminater machine privileges.
These are good questions that I do not know the answers to. I will find out.
Actually, check out Reply #37, above. I answer both of those questions.
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Over the next couple of weekends I'll get the dividers printed and start the very long process of cutting them out -- I want tabbed dividers so there will have to be a lot of cutting done by hand...
Having cut these out twice now (first group wasn't in color and I didn't care for it), you can do most of the cutting with a sheet cutter. Only the tab cut needs to be done by hand. I think I did the whole set in 2 or 3 hours. I have not laminated. The dividers in the front and back tend to get beat up the worst.
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So here's mine.
Primary view:
(http://i.imgur.com/D3QtBWn.jpg)
It's a Forge Steel toolbox. The main section is all the kingdom cards (not arranged by expansion, though they used to be), to the right are the events and mats etc.
Individual card dividers are BCW card dividers labelled (oh the timesink) with printed-off scans of the labels from the boxes stuck to them.
Separating each column (and lending strength in general) are a grid of interlocking plastic strips, hard to describe and I confess I have no idea where they came from, they were discovered by my wonderful mother:
(http://i.imgur.com/hIk2vBQ.jpg)
Closed views:
(http://i.imgur.com/JmrpEUN.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/vec6Xqt.jpg)
Below the main section, bottom left and bottom right (either side of the handle) are all the non-kingdom cards, Spoils, Ruins, Base. For Provinces you take out the whole bottom left thing (string to lift them all out at once) to get all the relevant base cards and for Colony games you take out the whole bottom right (extra set of Estates/Duchies/Provinces there). You have to pick and choose a bit if you need Potions and Ruins and Colonies or something.
Empires should fit, there's more space remaining in the main section than there looks, but I may also have to take one set of base cards out of one of the sections (who needs two distinct sets!) and use that space for new kingdom cards. Many more cards after Empires, I'm screwed!
The brown thing is a pouch for all the tokens that straps to the handle:
(http://i.imgur.com/I9bvLW7.jpg)
Overall it works pretty well, I'm pretty proud of the construction (hence the showing off), but I'll be sad when inevitably the expansions overflow it! There are bigger variants of the Forge Steel toolbox, but it's heavy enough now that I've torn between making it bigger and just starting a new box. Or maybe I should just stop buying expansions.
Anyway, there you are.
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So here's mine.
That's a pretty big storage solution for just one card.
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So here's mine.
Obligatory mostly-incomprehensible unfunny Awaclus joke.
FTFY.
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So I'm looking for "Forge Steel Toolbox" and I'm not finding anything similar to what you have here... are there some key words I'm missing?
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So here's mine.
Obligatory mostly-incomprehensible unfunny Awaclus joke.
FTFY.
>mostly-incomprehensible
You don't really even have to read the part that I wrote after the quote to tell what the joke is there.
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>mostly-incomprehensible
You don't really even have to read the part that I wrote after the quote to tell what the joke is there.
I can figure out that joke without seeing your post at all.
So, if you think about it, your post is just completely redundant there. You could just sit back and let the word "mine" do its work by itself.
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So I'm looking for "Forge Steel Toolbox" and I'm not finding anything similar to what you have here... are there some key words I'm missing?
My error, apparently it's a "tool organiser". Who knew.
http://www.screwfix.com/p/forge-steel-deep-8-compartment-organiser/96529
I think that's the one, though that one might not be quite the size one that I've got. There are a couple of variants.
So here's mine.
Obligatory mostly-incomprehensible unfunny Awaclus joke.
FTFY.
>mostly-incomprehensible
You don't really even have to read the part that I wrote after the quote to tell what the joke is there.
So, what, you're taking issue with my grammar? My meaning was completely clear from context, and I don't find it funny when you make a joke as forced as that out of a totally clear sentence. Fair enough if there were real ambiguity, but there wasn't.
EDIT. MAAAANNNNNN, I'm slow today. Forget all that. That is mildly funny.
PPE. DXV, I love you man.
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>mostly-incomprehensible
You don't really even have to read the part that I wrote after the quote to tell what the joke is there.
I can figure out that joke without seeing your post at all.
So, if you think about it, your post is just completely redundant there. You could just sit back and let the word "mine" do its work by itself.
The most relevant part of the joke is that someone is making the joke.
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>mostly-incomprehensible
You don't really even have to read the part that I wrote after the quote to tell what the joke is there.
I can figure out that joke without seeing your post at all.
So, if you think about it, your post is just completely redundant there. You could just sit back and let the word "mine" do its work by itself.
ooooh spicy