Dominion Strategy Forum
Dominion => Game Reports => Topic started by: Co0kieL0rd on July 07, 2015, 05:31:46 pm
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Kingdom: Crossroads, Sage, Urchin, Monument, Procession, Remodel, Smithy, Explorer, Market, Possession
Colony board. My opponent gained a Possession in turn 11. At this point, I was already ahead in VP via Monument. He started possessing me anyway and kept buying and playing more Possessions. I forfeited my original plan of going for Possession (or Platinum or Colony) and just kept buying Monuments and discarding my Potions to his Mercenaries to deny him more Possessions. In the end, I ended the game by piling Monument, Procession and Explorer, yes, Explorer!
Obviously my opponent made several huge mistakes, and kept repeating them: playing my Monuments and attacking me with Merc before possessing. My guess is that Possession is just a big trap here, as the Monument "defense" is so effective. Should Possession generally be ignored when the opponent has Monuments?
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I wonder whether your opponent thought he'd get those VP tokens? I'm not too familiar with Goko's interface, so it might be totally not a thing. Also, it's nice to see how you reacted to the situation :)
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I wonder whether your opponent thought he'd get those VP tokens? I'm not too familiar with Goko's interface, so it might be totally not a thing. Also, it's nice to see how you reacted to the situation :)
I wasn't sure either but one should assume the possessing player doesn't get the VP. Anyway he should have noticed after the first play of Monument but he kept doing it :P
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Explorer is also a great Possession counter in a Province game. With colonies, I'm not sure.
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How about KC-Monument as a defense against KC-Possession?
Andrew Iannaccone: turn 12
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Andrew Iannaccone plays King's Court
Andrew Iannaccone plays Possession
Andrew Iannaccone plays Possession
Andrew Iannaccone plays Possession
SheCantSayNo: turn 12 [possessed]
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SheCantSayNo plays King's Court
SheCantSayNo plays Monument
SheCantSayNo receives 1 victory point chips
SheCantSayNo plays Monument
SheCantSayNo receives 1 victory point chips
SheCantSayNo plays Monument
SheCantSayNo receives 1 victory point chips
SheCantSayNo plays King's Court
SheCantSayNo plays Monument
SheCantSayNo receives 1 victory point chips
SheCantSayNo plays Monument
SheCantSayNo receives 1 victory point chips
SheCantSayNo plays Monument
SheCantSayNo receives 1 victory point chips
SheCantSayNo: turn 12 [possessed]
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SheCantSayNo plays King's Court
SheCantSayNo plays Monument
SheCantSayNo receives 1 victory point chips
SheCantSayNo plays Monument
SheCantSayNo receives 1 victory point chips
SheCantSayNo plays Monument
SheCantSayNo receives 1 victory point chips
SheCantSayNo plays King's Court
SheCantSayNo plays Monument
SheCantSayNo receives 1 victory point chips
SheCantSayNo plays Monument
SheCantSayNo receives 1 victory point chips
SheCantSayNo plays Monument
SheCantSayNo receives 1 victory point chips
SheCantSayNo: turn 12 [possessed]
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SheCantSayNo plays King's Court
SheCantSayNo plays Monument
SheCantSayNo receives 1 victory point chips
SheCantSayNo plays Monument
SheCantSayNo receives 1 victory point chips
SheCantSayNo plays Monument
SheCantSayNo receives 1 victory point chips
SheCantSayNo plays King's Court
SheCantSayNo plays Monument
SheCantSayNo receives 1 victory point chips
SheCantSayNo plays Monument
SheCantSayNo receives 1 victory point chips
SheCantSayNo plays Monument
SheCantSayNo receives 1 victory point chips
http://www.gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?20140519/log.5101a6c4e4b02b7235c3860f.1400493620188.txt
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Uh, did you have VP counter disabled and AI was unaware that he would not receive the VP? Even then, you can see that your own score isn't going up on Goko. Was that just a show-off game in which AI was supposed to make you win?
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Uh, did you have VP counter disabled and AI was unaware that he would not receive the VP? Even then, you can see that your own score isn't going up on Goko. Was that just a show-off game in which AI was supposed to make you win?
Neither of those. Good players can misjudge things too...
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So is it ever a good idea to play Possession if your opponent uses mainly Monument? Or, the other way around, is Monument a valid counter against Possession?
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Monument can make Possession turns worse, there's not much more to say about it in the general case. If their deck is pure Monument playing, well it's not a great Possession target, but still not impossible to have situations where you can get more benefit out of it than them. If their deck is more of a mix and you only need to play 1-2 of their Monuments to get something nice with their deck it could still easily be worth it.
I'd say Bishop and Goons are even harder to get good usage out of when Possessing.
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So is it ever a good idea to play Possession if your opponent uses mainly Monument? Or, the other way around, is Monument a valid counter against Possession?
All cards that give vp tokens can be a good counter to possession. There are a number of different ways to play your original kingdom though so you have to judge during play whether your opponent is making a deck that is worth possessing. In short, an opponent will probably be happy to give you one monument vp if they can buy a colony on a possession turn. If you try to get more monuments into play then you'll need a procession engine and the opponent will gain cards during a possession turn.