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Title: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: ChocophileBenj on June 04, 2015, 06:41:35 pm
Do you often BM people ? That means, when you can end game and win, do you do a trolling move sometimes ? And what are your best (or worst) BMs ?

I just swindled an opponent's stables into a Duchy when I was about to buy the last province.
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: Awaclus on June 04, 2015, 06:51:02 pm
I do it when and only when it's faster to make sure I have enough coins, buys, VPs and stuff by overdoing it than double-checking my math.
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: liopoil on June 04, 2015, 07:05:48 pm
I mean, this isn't really bad manners, is it? If I have 13 and two buys and I'm buying the last province for the win, sure I'm going to buy the duchy too even though I don't need it to win. There are more extreme examples, and I don't do those, but I always buy as much VP as I can on the last turn unless it will take a lot more clicks to get more money/buys or if it is risky.
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: LastFootnote on June 04, 2015, 07:14:48 pm
Goddamn Bad Maneer… I hate that guy! Always ruining everybody's fun.  >:(
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: pubby on June 04, 2015, 07:32:59 pm
Is it BM to have a BM while playing a BM strategy using BM?

(Anyway, the only thing that really bothers me is deliberate slow rolling. That's hell.)
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: ChocophileBenj on June 05, 2015, 03:40:49 am
It is BM to have a Black Market in any case.
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: assemble_me on June 05, 2015, 03:28:00 pm
Is it BM to have a BM while playing a BM strategy using BM?
yes.
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: joel88s on June 05, 2015, 05:02:48 pm
Goddamn Bad Maneer… I hate that guy! Always ruining everybody's fun.  >:(

I thought that was an Indian dish.
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: ehunt on June 07, 2015, 04:55:07 pm
I had to pass someone a province the other day with masq to be sure id have enough $ to buy the last province and win the game. But it was a legit play, not a bm play.
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: liopoil on June 07, 2015, 05:09:15 pm
I had to pass someone a province the other day with masq to be sure id have enough $ to buy the last province and win the game. But it was a legit play, not a bm play.
First world dominion problems...
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: theblankman on June 07, 2015, 05:56:01 pm
I had to pass someone a province the other day with masq to be sure id have enough $ to buy the last province and win the game. But it was a legit play, not a bm play.
I don't think anyone would consider that bad manners, any more than tricks like using Ambassador to drain the Province pile.  If you need to do something to end the game with a win, then that thing is an acceptable play. 
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: ehunt on June 07, 2015, 09:34:39 pm
I had to pass someone a province the other day with masq to be sure id have enough $ to buy the last province and win the game. But it was a legit play, not a bm play.
I don't think anyone would consider that bad manners, any more than tricks like using Ambassador to drain the Province pile.  If you need to do something to end the game with a win, then that thing is an acceptable play.

yeah, i felt super awkward though, because i thought my opponent might not know why i was doing it, so i carefully explained it in the  chat. first world dominion problems is right.
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: jamfamsam on June 07, 2015, 10:43:17 pm
I had an opponent who won the game with a bunch of extra buys and then proceeded to use them all to buy curses until he/she had run out of buys. I'm a hard person to offend but I could see how that might bother someone. That type of behavior may come off as bad maneer but it could just have easily been a bad mevrouw.
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: ChocophileBenj on June 08, 2015, 07:49:42 am
I had an opponent who won the game with a bunch of extra buys and then proceeded to use them all to buy curses until he/she had run out of buys. I'm a hard person to offend but I could see how that might bother someone. That type of behavior may come off as bad maneer but it could just have easily been a bad mevrouw.
Nope, this IS what I called bad manneer. You have to make your opponent understand that you mastered that game, have a significant and calculated lead. (passing a province for money, buying one curse to buff Fairgrounds isn't or piledrive curses to 3-pile end isn't at all)
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: theblankman on June 08, 2015, 12:26:29 pm
yeah, i felt super awkward though, because i thought my opponent might not know why i was doing it, so i carefully explained it in the  chat. first world dominion problems is right.
Depends on the opponent I guess.  FWIW if I got passed a Province I'd try to figure out why by looking at the rest of your turn.  If the next thing you do is play barely $8 and win, there's my answer.
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: LastFootnote on June 08, 2015, 02:02:18 pm
While we're talking about Bad Maneer, please don't say "gg" and then leave the game without waiting for the other player to respond, especially if you just won.
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: Eevee on June 08, 2015, 02:31:27 pm
While we're talking about Bad Maneer, please don't say "gg" and then leave the game without waiting for the other player to respond, especially if you just won.
Not this again!
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: ChocophileBenj on June 09, 2015, 09:57:45 am
There are so many people on Dominion Online who don't know what "gl hf" stands for... maybe more than on Board Game Arena or Isotropic.
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: theright555J on June 09, 2015, 11:06:27 am
While we're talking about Bad Maneer, please don't say "gg" and then leave the game without waiting for the other player to respond, especially if you just won.

Or say "gg" before completing your last turn, or say "gg" during my turn when I'm not at all certain I have a forced win...
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: Awaclus on June 09, 2015, 11:19:25 am
say "gg" during my turn when I'm not at all certain I have a forced win...

Unless they resign after saying it.
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: Drab Emordnilap on June 09, 2015, 12:31:58 pm
So, there's been an ongoing debate on these forums about when it is and isn't acceptable to say "good game" (or "gg") to your opponent, near/at the end of the game. There's as many opinions about this as there are people in the discussion. We've had this discussion before, and it wasn't exactly unheated. If we're going to have it again, can we make sure that we have it civilly at least?

Also, this counts as explaining a joke, right?
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: Mic Qsenoch on June 09, 2015, 12:35:35 pm
But if it's civil it's no fun :(
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: Witherweaver on June 09, 2015, 01:05:27 pm
But if it's civil it's no fun :(

You could try "ggah", which as we all know stands for "good game, asshat".
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: Accatitippi on June 09, 2015, 01:11:52 pm
So, there's been an ongoing debate on these forums about when it is and isn't acceptable to say "good game" (or "gg") to your opponent, near/at the end of the game. There's as many opinions about this as there are people in the discussion. We've had this discussion before, and it wasn't exactly unheated. If we're going to have it again, can we make sure that we have it civilly at least?

Also, this counts as explaining a joke, right?
So... ugh, civilly, is there some sort of consensus about it? I usually use it if I think it's been a good game, regardless of whether I'm winning and how open the game still is, but I'd hate to sound snobby, gloating or anything except friendly noob, really.
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: Deadlock39 on June 09, 2015, 02:56:12 pm
This is obviously (from previous discussions here and elsewhere) one that has many different opinions.  Mine is this: Don't be a jerk, and give others the benefit of the doubt as much as possible.

Some people just say "gg" every game because that is what they do.  Some people don't say anything. Sometimes people don't feel like sticking around to converse, or even to wait for a simple response and they just leave.  Perhaps sometimes they are frustrated and just want to rage-close the game.  Whatever the reason is, I try to assume that they aren't attempting to offend me.

I try to say gg when I lose, or in response to my opponent, but sometimes I close the game in disgust at the shuffle luck that I made for myself.

Some people are just jerks and like to tell you how lucky you got.  Those people don't have any doubt to benefit from, so I think saving your anger for them is better than people who don't say gg, or don't wait for you to do so.
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: SCSN on June 09, 2015, 03:24:07 pm
So, there's been an ongoing debate on these forums about when it is and isn't acceptable to say "good game" (or "gg") to your opponent
I usually use it [...] regardless of [...] how open the game still is

Some people don't care at all about when and how you use "gg", but among those who do there's a clear consensus that saying "gg" while the game is still open is terrible. Either wait till the game is actually over or you intend to resign right after saying it.

Edit: obviously if you just want to express what a cool game it is you can say that at any time during the game, but don't use "gg" for this. "gg" has become more like the handshake you give your opponent at the end of a chess game, you don't do that halfway and then just play on.
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: LastFootnote on June 09, 2015, 04:01:04 pm
I guess I find "gg" and "hf gl" to be meaningless at best and rude at worst. If you actually want to express a sentiment, then go through the trouble to type the words. Saying "gg" at the end of a game and then immediately leaving is roughly equivalent to saying "kthxbai".

The worst is when people have an automated greeting message. I feel rude if I don't respond to it, but I feel foolish if I do.
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: Awaclus on June 09, 2015, 04:21:29 pm
The worst is when people have an automated greeting message. I feel rude if I don't respond to it, but I feel foolish if I do.

I have an automated greeting message. I don't think it's rude or foolish to respond or not respond to it.
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: shmeur on June 10, 2015, 06:24:16 am
I do get peeved when people that say "gl" later on start blaming me for "being lucky" or having "dumb luck" or whatever.  I mean, you wished good luck to me, so it's really your fault; be careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: Honkeyfresh on June 12, 2015, 06:24:18 am
There are so many people on Dominion Online who don't know what "gl hf" stands for... maybe more than on Board Game Arena or Isotropic.
for a while I really thought people were saying good luck honkey fresh...
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: ChocophileBenj on June 12, 2015, 06:59:58 am
There are so many people on Dominion Online who don't know what "gl hf" stands for... maybe more than on Board Game Arena or Isotropic.
for a while I really thought people were saying good luck honkey fresh...
Hello ! Are you a truly new member ? Because I'm a bit surprised you choose that trend as to post your first post ever.
Sorry if you're truly new.
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: ChocophileBenj on June 16, 2015, 02:21:07 pm
Owned by backstab :

https://dominion-game-logs.s3.amazonaws.com/game_logs/log.0.1434478635559.txt

He bought 9 markets, I didn't buy a single one (going BM - Big Money !)
Turn 13, he buys 4 gardens and... hey, what happens ?
Also I had lots of $7 turns !

When I saw him ignoring witch for market, I thought to a cool game, but it wasn't when my Chapel missed its 2nd reshuffle (the 3rd, also the 1st one when I could play it - draw phase of turn 6)

EDIT : link with the topic : he could have ended the game for a while if he ended a 3rd pile... Estate for instance.
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: Seprix on June 16, 2015, 02:26:09 pm
Dammit, I have to be polite over the internet!?!?!?!?!?!?
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: pacovf on June 16, 2015, 02:42:20 pm
No. Well, maybe. Actually, yes.
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: Seprix on June 16, 2015, 02:46:01 pm
No. Well, maybe. Actually, yes.

I can always just say I put the 'Prix' in 'Seprix'.
Title: Re: BM (Bad Maneer)
Post by: Burning Skull on June 16, 2015, 06:07:53 pm
You could try "ggah", which as we all know stands for "good game, asshat".

Thank you for updating my vocabulary with this useful and amazing word!