Dominion Strategy Forum
Dominion => Rules Questions => Topic started by: Jeebus on June 01, 2015, 04:23:36 pm
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I just discovered that if you trash an Estate-Fortress, it comes into your hand, but is no longer "yours" per the rules, so it's just a plain old Estate.
Of course it's just an oversight in the rules:
An Estate is yours if either it started in your deck, or you gained it or bought it, or you were passed it with Masquerade. An Estate stops being yours if you trash it, return it to the Supply, pass it with Masquerade, or are stopped from gaining it due to Possession or Trader.
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And the same applies if your Inherited card (whatever it is, for instance an Estate-Smithy) is trashed when you're Possessed. You get it back as a plain Estate.
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We discussed this here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13153.msg488335)!
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I think the best rule for this would be something like:
An Estate is yours when it's in your deck, hand, discard pile or play area. It's also yours when you set it aside or put it on your Tavern mat. An Estate is also yours when you buy it, but stops being yours if you fail to subsequently gain it.
That should cover all the corner cases.
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Nice catch, but the spirit of the rule should surely include a card in your hand or deck as being "yours", even if its manner of entering your possession was not covered explicitly by the FAQ.
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I think the best rule for this would be something like:
An Estate is yours when it's in your deck, hand, discard pile or play area. It's also yours when you set it aside or put it on your Tavern mat. An Estate is also yours when you buy it, but stops being yours if you fail to subsequently gain it.
That should cover all the corner cases.
Probably should be any mat of yours. And I don't think that really covers the Fortress case.
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Probably should be any mat of yours. And I don't think that really covers the Fortress case.
Native Village and Island tells you to set the card aside.
Why doesn't it cover the Fortress case? It's put into your hand.
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Probably should be any mat of yours. And I don't think that really covers the Fortress case.
Native Village and Island tells you to set the card aside.
Why doesn't it cover the Fortress case? It's put into your hand.
Eh, fair enough, but saying "any mat" is clearer and probably better for future-proofing.
And I just realized I was mixing up this topic with the question of how Inherited Fortress still has the on-trash ability when it's technically no longer yours after you trash it.
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I just discovered that if you trash an Estate-Fortress, it comes into your hand, but is no longer "yours" per the rules, so it's just a plain old Estate.
Of course it's just an oversight in the rules:
An Estate is yours if either it started in your deck, or you gained it or bought it, or you were passed it with Masquerade. An Estate stops being yours if you trash it, return it to the Supply, pass it with Masquerade, or are stopped from gaining it due to Possession or Trader.
Correct, Fortress returning to your hand becomes yours again and the Adventures rulebook does not cover this; ditto cards returned with Possession.
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I just discovered that if you trash an Estate-Fortress, it comes into your hand, but is no longer "yours" per the rules, so it's just a plain old Estate.
Of course it's just an oversight in the rules:
An Estate is yours if either it started in your deck, or you gained it or bought it, or you were passed it with Masquerade. An Estate stops being yours if you trash it, return it to the Supply, pass it with Masquerade, or are stopped from gaining it due to Possession or Trader.
Correct, Fortress returning to your hand becomes yours again and the Adventures rulebook does not cover this; ditto cards returned with Possession.
Can we get a clarification for cards bought but not gained also? e.g. Messenger gaining Border Village for both players (w/ Quarry in play), and your opponent choosing the last Messenger before you can gain it?
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I just discovered that if you trash an Estate-Fortress, it comes into your hand, but is no longer "yours" per the rules, so it's just a plain old Estate.
Of course it's just an oversight in the rules:
An Estate is yours if either it started in your deck, or you gained it or bought it, or you were passed it with Masquerade. An Estate stops being yours if you trash it, return it to the Supply, pass it with Masquerade, or are stopped from gaining it due to Possession or Trader.
Correct, Fortress returning to your hand becomes yours again and the Adventures rulebook does not cover this; ditto cards returned with Possession.
Can we get a clarification for cards bought but not gained also? e.g. Messenger gaining Border Village for both players (w/ Quarry in play), and your opponent choosing the last Messenger before you can gain it?
What's the question? If the card is yours? That should be obviously not. The rules do specify that cards stop being yours if you are prevented from gaining them, listing Trader and Possession as examples. Even without rules defining "yours", I don't think anyone would argue that a card sitting in someone else's deck is actually yours because you bought it.
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Even without rules defining "yours", I don't think anyone would argue that a card sitting in someone else's deck is actually yours because you bought it.
Ah, so that was you, that guy that left at the end of our recent game night with a bunch of our cards, believing them to be his rightful property just because we let him play with them for a while.
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The rules do specify that cards stop being yours if you are prevented from gaining them, listing Trader and Possession as examples.
(Well, the rules specify that cards stop being yours if you are prevented from gaining them because of Trader and Possession; it doesn't say they stop being yours if you're prevented from gaining them for other reasons.)
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Can we get a clarification for cards bought but not gained also? e.g. Messenger gaining Border Village for both players (w/ Quarry in play), and your opponent choosing the last Messenger before you can gain it?
Is this for a citation for a wiki or what? Any case where obviously the card is yours, it is. Any case where obviously the card isn't, it isn't.