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M54: Musical Mafia
"Without music, life would be a mistake" - Friedrich Nietzsche
Mod: Archetype
Signups:
1. silverspawn Crushed by an orchestra N1. He was Painters of the Tempest by Ne Obliviscaris a Town Backup
2. chairs
3. Ichimaru Gin
4. Eevee
5. Teproc
6. XerxesPraelor Sang too softly D2. He was Let all Mortal Flesh Keep Silence by John Rutter a Vanilla Townie
7. sudgy Struck a wrong chord D1. He was Brass Goggles by Steam Powered Giraffe a Town JOAT
8. Hydrad
9. Beyond Awesome
10. Witherweaver
11. xxpittip Couldn't hold a tune D3. He was Enter Sandman by Metallica a Vanilla Townie.
12. Hugovj
13. A Drowned Kernel Bashed in the head with a guitar N3. He was Four Color Love Story by The Metasciences a 1-shot Bulletproof Bodyguard.
Taggers: ashersky, mpsprs, AndrewisFTTW, pacovf, Voltaire
Checkpoints:
D1 Start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12052.50)
D2 Start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12052.msg444000#msg444000)
Basic Mafia Ruleset (changes in blue)
The Golden Rule:
Please remember that this is a game and your main objective is to have fun! Be considerate of each other, don’t get personal, and enjoy the game.
Please read The Civility Pledge (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7695.0) before signing up for any mafia game on this site. If you have not /pledged there, you cannot play.
Excessive personal attacks or uncivil behavior may be dealt with by modifiers or modkills.
Game Summary:
Mafia is a social deduction game. There is an "informed minority" (the mafia) and an "uninformed majority" (the town). The mafia know who each other are, and are trying to be the only people left alive. The town doesn't know who anybody else is, and are trying to find and lynch all of the mafia. The mafia, to make sure the town doesn't know who they are, must pretend to be town to win. The mafia usually can kill at night, to help them in being the only ones left alive.
1. General Gameplay and Etiquette:
1. You may not quote information (either real or fabricated) from any source other than the thread you are posting in. This means no quotes from PMs and no quotes from QTs in the main thread or in another QT. Paraphrasing is acceptable. If you are unsure whether a post is legal, please ask the moderator before posting.
2. There is to be NO personal communication outside of the forum postings unless your role PM specifically allows it. Mafia members may communicate at night and during the confirmation stage.
3. If you have a role with a Night action your choices are due to all mods by the posted deadline (generally 48 hours from Night start during the first few Nights; later Nights may have shorter deadlines. I reserve the right to extend or shorten these deadlines depending on the gamestate/RL events.). In case of multiple submissions, the last valid one before the deadline will be used. If your Night action is mandatory, it will be decided randomly.
4. Roles with Night actions will not be able to submit an action on Night 0 (i.e. during the confirmation stage). Unless otherwise noted.
5. Any player with a Night action may instead submit a “No Action” PM to let the Mods know that you do not want to perform your expected action that Night phase. A player who hasn't submitted an action by the Night deadline will default to "No Action".
6. As a general rule you should aim for one post every 24 hours, minimum, to keep the game moving.
2. Voting, Deadlines, and Player Death:
1. A simple majority (rounded up) of all living members must agree on one person for a lynch to occur prior to deadline.
2. Once you have reached a simple majority no further unvoting will change someone’s fate. Further votes will also be ignored.
3. Once a player is lynched the game enters twilight until the mods lock the thread; all players including the one who was lynched may continue to post during twilight.
4. We'll generally be playing with 10 Day day deadlines.
5. If a majority hasn't been reached by deadline, the day will end in a "No Lynch".
6. Please submit votes as: Vote: PlayerName. Votes will NOT be counted if they are not bold or do not follow this syntax! Obvious abbreviations or nicknames will be counted so long as they are unambiguous.
7. Please submit vote revocations as either Unvote: PlayerName or Unvote. Unvotes are not necessary before changing votes.
8. You may Vote: No Lynch - a simple majority of these vote types are required to send the game to Night phase without a lynch.
9. Once you are killed (either via lynch or night kill) you may no longer post in the game or in quicktopics, besides the supplied spectator topic.. This means that you do not even get a “Bah” post. The dead in this game are silent.
10. If the thread is locked, you may not post. Threads can be locked for various reasons, but no matter what the reason, you may not post. The mod may forget to lock the thread, but if they say it is locked, it is still locked.
3. Miscellaneous/Mechanics:
1. Bold, colored text is reserved for the Mods. No invisible/small text is allowed, nor is cryptography.
2. If you have an issue/problem with the game, please PM the Mods privately. Do not post issues/complaints in the game thread. This includes issues with other players and potential /outing.
3. The Mods may make mistakes - please point out any mistakes gently. Mistakes will be corrected where possible, but sometimes mistakes are made that cannot be reversed. These will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game. This includes Vote Counts.
4. Please bold all requests to the Mods so that they don’t get missed.
5. Prods of missing players will be issued upon request after 24 hours of no activity. A prodded player has 48 hours to respond or risks replacement. A player who has been prodded 2 times is subject to replacement under rule 3.10 without further notice.
6. Please do not discuss ongoing games, it can unintentionally affect the other game.
7. Rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, which may include modkill(s) if needed.
8. If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 48-hour period please post a notice to that effect in the thread. Treat this game as a commitment. Be considerate – don’t leave us hanging.
9. Players who discover they are too busy to play in a game or want to leave the game for civility issues are not allowed to officially /out in the thread. A request to /out must only be done via a PM to the moderator. Please do not use this as a manipulation technique. (Note players may continue to threaten to /out or imply that they might as long as it does not include an official request). Requests to /out are final once submitted. There will be no /outing and then /inning back into the game so make sure that when you /out you have thought it through and really want to do it. Players that can't be replaced will simply be mod-killed.
10. If a player wants to /out, they may be replaced by anyone on D1-D3. After this, a player who /outs may not be replaced. It is up to the mod's discretion whether to modkill the player or do something else under these circumstances.
Helpful Links:
Wiki Links:
--Main Wiki Page (http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page)
--Newbie Guide (http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Newbie_Guide)
--Frequently Asked Questions (http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=FAQ)
--Commonly Used Abbreviations (http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Commonly_used_abbreviations)
--Mafia Theory (http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Theory)
Forum Links:
--Vacation/Limited Access announcements (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=3621.0)
--Mafia Lingo/Dictionary (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=5315.0)
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Welcome to M54: Musical Mafia
This is a Closed game. This means that there will be no prior information given regarding which powers/alignments are included in the game. However, I will say that this game is on the simpler side. It's design is much closer to Mean Girls (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=8000.0) than, say, Deep Space Nine (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=6314.0).
Before the game starts, every player who has /inned must PM me some sort of the song (please include the song title and artist). This can be any song you chose, however I do reserve the right to decline a song's inclusion only in certain cases (overtly offensive, unnecessarily vulgar, something I don't consider a "song"). The song you choose will be your Flavor Name and will help in determining which Role you receive. While what roles are included in the game are hidden, rolefishing is allowed when submitting your songs. When a player dies, their flavor name, role, and a link to their song will be posted. So make sure the song you request is one you'd want to hear at your funeral. :)
Sample Vanilla Town Role PM:
Welcome, [Player Name], to M54: Musical Mafia! You are Rockstar by Nickelback, a Vanilla Townie. You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated and at least one Town-aligned player is still alive.
No one likes Nickelback. And despite what your name may say, you're not a Rockstar. You have no powers at all except for your vote. Don't ruin that too.
Thanks for playing. Hope you have fun!
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/first
/in
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is this that setup i looked over for you way back when?
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/in
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is this that setup i looked over for you way back when?
Naw. I couldn't find an elegant way to fix the powers for scum, so I decided to run this instead. Hopefully it'll be just as cool!
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/first
/in
/in
Send me your guys' song choices!
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/in
looks awesome!
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The song you choose will be your Flavor Name and will help in determining which role you receive.
wait, what? does that mean the roles aren't distributed randomly? I thought this was some kind of law.
Not that I think this isn't an amazing concept.
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The song you choose will be your Flavor Name and will help in determining which role you receive.
wait, what? does that mean the roles aren't distributed randomly? I thought this was some kind of law.
Not that I think this isn't an amazing concept.
The song you choose does have some influence on the role you get.
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/in
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/in
Do I also choose a song?
Edit: I see.
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/in
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/tag
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/in
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something I don't consider a "song"
As a reference point how do you feel about John Cage's 4'33?
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something I don't consider a "song"
As a reference point how do you feel about John Cage's 4'33?
You just get to be a tree stump all game
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something I don't consider a "song"
As a reference point how do you feel about John Cage's 4'33?
I feel like it's an interesting way to look at what can/can't be considered a "song", but I won't allow it. Don't be 'that guy' - submit something cool!
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/in
although I'm not the most musical person out there so I don't know many songs. Still looks interesting
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/in
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/in
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/in
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eh I'll just /tag
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As a professional musician, I believe I am obligated to
/tag
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As a professional musician, I believe I am obligated to
/tag
You should feel obligated to play!
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/in
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after seeing the VT PM I feel like I should change my song choice to a nickelback one and might gain IC! bwahahaha.
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Man if I draw Nickelback I'm going to throw this game.
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Yeah Nickleback is outlawed in this game. Not just because it's my example, but it also falls under "overtly offensive".
In semi-related news, we have 1 spot left! This game likely won't start until Dresden Files has entered N1 - D2, but if you haven't submitted your song/would like to change it, make sure you do so!
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For the record, if I were playing, my song would be "For Me This is Heaven" by Jimmy Eat World.
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I'm tempted to in just because this is awesome-to-the-max. But just tempted because I won't have that much time for it.
/tag
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/tag
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Oh whatever, /in
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/tag
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Oh whatever, /in
NOW IT'S TIME TO PLAY MY FAVORITE GAME... MUSICAL (MAFIA) CHAIRS!
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Oh whatever, /in
NOW IT'S TIME TO PLAY MY FAVORITE GAME... MUSICAL (MAFIA) CHAIRS!
Chairs, can you link to a random post of yours that I can upvote?
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And that's it! Signups are full! Feel free to change whatever song you've submitted up until the game starts. We'll start when Dresden Files enters D2, or earlier if people prefer.
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Oh whatever, /in
NOW IT'S TIME TO PLAY MY FAVORITE GAME... MUSICAL (MAFIA) CHAIRS!
Chairs, can you link to a random post of yours that I can upvote?
Uh... http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=8384.msg253428#msg253428 is one, I guess?
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And that's it! Signups are full! Feel free to change whatever song you've submitted up until the game starts. We'll start when Dresden Files enters D2, or earlier if people prefer.
I'm so ready to start more 8)
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I vote to start early.
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I vote to start early.
Me too.
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I vote to start early.
Me too.
me three!
and eevee, sorry for your lynch in Wool mafia. I will make up for it by buddying you in this game.
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I vote to start early.
Me too.
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I vote to start early.
Me too.
me three!
and eevee, sorry for your lynch in Wool mafia. I will make up for it by buddying you in this game.
It's a deal, my good man!
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Vote Count 0.0
Start Early (5): chairs, Ichimaru Gin, Eevee, silverspawn, Teproc
Wait (0):
Not Voting (7): A Drowned Kernel, hugovj, sudgy, XerxesPraelor, Hydrad, Beyond Awesome, xxpittip
With 13 playing, it takes 7 to make a decision.
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Start Meow
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I have a town read on start early but I think his flip will be informative. vote: start early
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Thread Locked.
Don't post, Eevee.
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Vote Count 0.0
Start Early (7): chairs, Ichimaru Gin, Eevee, silverspawn, Teproc, Witherweaver, A Drowned Kernel
Wait (0):
Not Voting (6): hugovj, sudgy, XerxesPraelor, Hydrad, Beyond Awesome, xxpittip
With 13 playing, it takes 7 to make a decision.
Role PMs going out now.
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Alright, all the Roles are out. N0 starts now! D1 will start once everyone has /confirmed + 24 hours.
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Day 1 Start!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zdNdjF-htY
Wake up!
Vote Count 1.0
Not Voting (13): silverspawn, chairs, Ichimaru Gin, Eevee, Teproc, XerxesPraelor, sudgy, Hydrad, Beyond Awesome, Witherweaver, xxpittip, Hugovj, A Drowned Kernel
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. D1 ends Friday, November 28th at 10:30 PM.
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Thread Unlocked!
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first!
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This is the biggest game I've been in awhile. Should we consider song claiming?
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This is the biggest game I've been in awhile. Should we consider song claiming?
I'm fine with song claiming.
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Really? Just like that?
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Really? Just like that?
I don't really think the criteria of how the song impacts role would be that apparent to people (since we have no idea what those criteria are). It doesn't necessarily help us much since scum has a wealth of fakeclaims to choose from--and they might be able to guess PR's from songs--but I think that's unlikely. I don't really see it hurting town--so it might be useful.
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Now that I think about it I'm not actually sure what useful information town would get out of it, though. I mean it's something to talk about, and I'm curious what every submitted, but does it actually progress the game?
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I am here. And I guess I'm ok with song claiming. I don't think I would have any idea of how songs would impact your roles. Unless you picked a song called doctor or something. So then maybe we shouldn't just in case?
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Now that I think about it I'm not actually sure what useful information town would get out of it, though. I mean it's something to talk about, and I'm curious what every submitted, but does it actually progress the game?
Likely not. I'm interested what others have to say once they show up. At the very least, the discussion around claiming could prove useful.
PPE: 1
Also, PR's could always fakeclaim their songs if they seemed to give away their role (yes, I think this is an instance where it's ok to lie as town).
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I'm torn - song claiming offers an interesting situation in that it gives us kind of the opportunity to semi-replace RVS, but role claiming D1 is generally bad for Town.
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Well I feel like this discussion is replacing RVS anyway, so there's that.
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I am not sure how I feel about song claiming. It is possible that PRs might be tied to song names.
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I am not sure how I feel about song claiming. It is possible that PRs might be tied to song names.
It was specifically advised that songs would influence the roles provided.
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Song claiming would be fun to do, but I don't see any possible way we could benefit from it, and it could potentially hurt us.
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And we'll learn the songs when people flip, and that'll be fun too. I vote against song claiming.
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And we'll learn the songs when people flip, and that'll be fun too. I vote against song claiming.
Those are all good points. I agree that I don't think there's anyway to benefit from it, and it would be nicer for it to be a surprise when people die.
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Really? Just like that?
I don't really think the criteria of how the song impacts role would be that apparent to people (since we have no idea what those criteria are). It doesn't necessarily help us much since scum has a wealth of fakeclaims to choose from--and they might be able to guess PR's from songs--but I think that's unlikely. I don't really see it hurting town--so it might be useful.
Vote: Ichi
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vote: Beyond Awesome
oh yeah RVS time!
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Vote: silverspawn
I dont want to be lynched on Day 1 again -.-
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Well, song names are somehow tied to roles (or at least have that chance), since Arch said he'd be using them to determine roles. The link could be obscure, though. I guess if you have a song name that strongly links to your PR you can just claim a different song, as Ichi said.
I don't have much of a problem with it.
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Really? Just like that?
I don't really think the criteria of how the song impacts role would be that apparent to people (since we have no idea what those criteria are). It doesn't necessarily help us much since scum has a wealth of fakeclaims to choose from--and they might be able to guess PR's from songs--but I think that's unlikely. I don't really see it hurting town--so it might be useful.
Vote: Ichi
This doesn't look like RVS.
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That was my sarcasm ;D
Because it might as well be an RVS vote on me.
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Well, song names are somehow tied to roles (or at least have that chance), since Arch said he'd be using them to determine roles. The link could be obscure, though. I guess if you have a song name that strongly links to your PR you can just claim a different song, as Ichi said.
I don't have much of a problem with it.
What could we gain, now or down the road?
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Well, song names are somehow tied to roles (or at least have that chance), since Arch said he'd be using them to determine roles. The link could be obscure, though. I guess if you have a song name that strongly links to your PR you can just claim a different song, as Ichi said.
I don't have much of a problem with it.
What could we gain, now or down the road?
Nothing really, just stuff to talk about. So, yeah.
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I don't think song claiming would help anyone, because there is no way to verify that the claimed song is really the submitted song...
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Oh, it could possibly help verify a claim down the road. If someone claims Cop and it at all makes sense with the song they claimed today, then we might have more reason to believe them. Scum would have to plan ahead a fake roleclaim for that.
Though, it really only works if the link is subtle. We obviously wouldn't want to claim a song name that it strongly correlated to a town PR.
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I don't think song claiming would help anyone, because there is no way to verify that the claimed song is really the submitted song...
No, but if you're listening to, like, Bruno Mars, we can make fun of you.
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Well, song names are somehow tied to roles (or at least have that chance), since Arch said he'd be using them to determine roles. The link could be obscure, though. I guess if you have a song name that strongly links to your PR you can just claim a different song, as Ichi said.
I don't have much of a problem with it.
What could we gain, now or down the road?
Nothing really, just stuff to talk about. So, yeah.
Yeah, stuff that would clutter the thread, could cause town to lie and is otherwise no way indicative of alignments in the game. Still voting no.
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Well, song names are somehow tied to roles (or at least have that chance), since Arch said he'd be using them to determine roles. The link could be obscure, though. I guess if you have a song name that strongly links to your PR you can just claim a different song, as Ichi said.
I don't have much of a problem with it.
What could we gain, now or down the road?
Nothing really, just stuff to talk about. So, yeah.
Yeah, stuff that would clutter the thread, could cause town to lie and is otherwise no way indicative of alignments in the game. Still voting no.
What do you want to talk about instead?
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I don't think song claiming would help anyone, because there is no way to verify that the claimed song is really the submitted song...
No, but if you're listening to, like, Bruno Mars, we can make fun of you.
Don't be ashamed now. You are amazing, you just the way you are.
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Well, song names are somehow tied to roles (or at least have that chance), since Arch said he'd be using them to determine roles. The link could be obscure, though. I guess if you have a song name that strongly links to your PR you can just claim a different song, as Ichi said.
I don't have much of a problem with it.
What could we gain, now or down the road?
Nothing really, just stuff to talk about. So, yeah.
Yeah, stuff that would clutter the thread, could cause town to lie and is otherwise no way indicative of alignments in the game. Still voting no.
What do you want to talk about instead?
I don't know. Do we usually kickstart games by discussing flavor?
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I don't think song claiming would help anyone, because there is no way to verify that the claimed song is really the submitted song...
No, but if you're listening to, like, Bruno Mars, we can make fun of you.
Don't be ashamed now. You are amazing, you just the way you are.
Vote: Eevee for buddying.
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Well, song names are somehow tied to roles (or at least have that chance), since Arch said he'd be using them to determine roles. The link could be obscure, though. I guess if you have a song name that strongly links to your PR you can just claim a different song, as Ichi said.
I don't have much of a problem with it.
What could we gain, now or down the road?
Nothing really, just stuff to talk about. So, yeah.
Yeah, stuff that would clutter the thread, could cause town to lie and is otherwise no way indicative of alignments in the game. Still voting no.
What do you want to talk about instead?
I don't know. Do we usually kickstart games by discussing flavor?
Depends on the game I think. Though we usually kickstart games by discussing whether or not we should be discussing things.
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Well, song names are somehow tied to roles (or at least have that chance), since Arch said he'd be using them to determine roles. The link could be obscure, though. I guess if you have a song name that strongly links to your PR you can just claim a different song, as Ichi said.
I don't have much of a problem with it.
What could we gain, now or down the road?
Nothing really, just stuff to talk about. So, yeah.
Yeah, stuff that would clutter the thread, could cause town to lie and is otherwise no way indicative of alignments in the game. Still voting no.
What do you want to talk about instead?
I don't know. Do we usually kickstart games by discussing flavor?
Depends on the game I think. Though we usually kickstart games by discussing whether or not we should be discussing things.
Yep, and eventually stumble to a lynch, and then really start playing tomorrow by analyzing the wagon and the nightkill. I think that'll work here too.
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Vote: silverspawn for obvious reasons.
I think we should all claim if our songs are noticeably related to our role (VT or otherwise (although, of course claim if you're scum ;))). If everybody says no, maybe we can song claim. My song is not noticeably related to my role.
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Vote: silverspawn for obvious reasons.
I think we should all claim if our songs are noticeably related to our role (VT or otherwise (although, of course claim if you're scum ;))). If everybody says no, maybe we can song claim. My song is not noticeably related to my role.
Uhh.. this sounds suspiciously close to claiming PR/not PR.
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Vote: silverspawn for obvious reasons.
I think we should all claim if our songs are noticeably related to our role (VT or otherwise (although, of course claim if you're scum ;))). If everybody says no, maybe we can song claim. My song is not noticeably related to my role.
Uhh.. this sounds suspiciously close to claiming PR/not PR.
If you're VT, your song could have been some obviously bland song (or song about blandness), and you would say your song is related to your role. If you're a PR, your song could be just completely different from the song. If your role is similar to your song, it doesn't necessarily say if you're a PR or not a PR.
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I have trouble coming up with a song that I would consider related to VT.
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I have trouble coming up with a song that I would consider related to VT.
same
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Pulp - Common people
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Vote: silverspawn for obvious reasons.
I think we should all claim if our songs are noticeably related to our role (VT or otherwise (although, of course claim if you're scum ;))). If everybody says no, maybe we can song claim. My song is not noticeably related to my role.
Uhh.. this sounds suspiciously close to claiming PR/not PR.
Agreed.
Vote: Sudgy for trying to out power roles.
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I don't think song claiming would help anyone, because there is no way to verify that the claimed song is really the submitted song...
No, but if you're listening to, like, Bruno Mars, we can make fun of you.
Don't be ashamed now. You are amazing, you just the way you are.
Vote: Eevee for buddying.
vote: WW for voting Eevee.
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*vote: WW
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and I am very strongly against song claiming, or saying how our songs relate to our role. sudgy, what even gave you the idea to do it before discussing it? vote: sudgy
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I plan to play reasonable this game btw
back to vote: WW for voting for Eevee
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I have trouble coming up with a song that I would consider related to VT.
same
every single pop or hip hop song ever created?
though those are probably scum songs
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I have trouble coming up with a song that I would consider related to VT.
same
every single pop or hip hop song ever created?
though those are probably scum songs
I don't really care for that sort of music either, but I think that's exactly the point. It's up to the Mod's discretion, tastes/standards in deciding how songs relate to roles--and that's information we can't really know for sure. Your example seems like a standard of mainstream music = VT which seems like relatively plausible.
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exactly, so claiming is a bad idea, because it allows scum to snipe PR's.
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It's been said already, but there's very little upside for town in claiming songs for town. Scum has a better idea of how closely related their songs are to their roles since they have several (depending on how any scumteams there are), so opening up that information has a tiny chance of helping them and zero chance of helping us.
Well there is the argument that it would help against fakeclaims, but I think that's a dangerous road to go on because the connection miht be flimsy, could be entirely related to Archetype's personal tastes or whatever, so I don't think we should consider flavor too much while evaluating claims in this game.
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vote: sudgy for the aforementioned soft attempt to root out PRs.
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sudgy, what even gave you the idea to do it before discussing it? vote: sudgy
I thought it would solve the "should we song claim or not" by seeing some pros and cons before we do it. I still don't think it will out any PRs.
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I plan to play reasonable this game btw
back to vote: WW for voting for Eevee
"I plan to play reasonably"
votes three times in three posts
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I have trouble coming up with a song that I would consider related to VT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rog8ou-ZepE
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vote: sudgy for the aforementioned soft attempt to root out PRs.
vote: chairs while I don't think I like any claiming plan, I don't think sudgy's scummy for suggesting it.
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I plan to play reasonable this game btw
back to vote: WW for voting for Eevee
"I plan to play reasonably"
votes three times in three posts
Voting a lot early is good for town, as long as the are serious votes.
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vote: sudgy for the aforementioned soft attempt to root out PRs.
Vote: chairs for trying to start a wagon on me.
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vote: sudgy for the aforementioned soft attempt to root out PRs.
Vote: chairs for trying to start a wagon on me.
Why is that scummy ?
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I plan to play reasonable this game btw
back to vote: WW for voting for Eevee
"I plan to play reasonably"
votes three times in three posts
throwing votes around in the beginning of a game is totally nothing special/impactful/unreasonable. I'm talking about stuff like early claims, refusing to contribute, self votes, etc
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vote: sudgy for the aforementioned soft attempt to root out PRs.
vote: chairs while I don't think I like any claiming plan, I don't think sudgy's scummy for suggesting it.
I also voted for sudgy for that. did you just look for a reason to vote for someone?
vote: ADK
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vote: sudgy for the aforementioned soft attempt to root out PRs.
I don't think scum would actually propose an anti-town plan like that.
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vote: sudgy for the aforementioned soft attempt to root out PRs.
vote: chairs while I don't think I like any claiming plan, I don't think sudgy's scummy for suggesting it.
I also voted for sudgy for that. did you just look for a reason to vote for someone?
vote: ADK
Yes I am looking for reasons to vote for people, it's how this game works? The votes on sudgy seem a little reactionary to me, and chairs looked like he wanted an easy wagon to jump on, so I voted for him.
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vote: sudgy for the aforementioned soft attempt to root out PRs.
I don't think scum would actually propose an anti-town plan like that.
Meh. I think it's slightly townie to propose horrible claims, but it's not a very strong indicator to me.
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vote: sudgy for the aforementioned soft attempt to root out PRs.
vote: chairs while I don't think I like any claiming plan, I don't think sudgy's scummy for suggesting it.
I also voted for sudgy for that. did you just look for a reason to vote for someone?
vote: ADK
For me, chairs' vote was the most scummy because it started getting into wagon territory, while the others were just votes.
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vote: sudgy for the aforementioned soft attempt to root out PRs.
vote: chairs while I don't think I like any claiming plan, I don't think sudgy's scummy for suggesting it.
I also voted for sudgy for that. did you just look for a reason to vote for someone?
vote: ADK
For me, chairs' vote was the most scummy because it started getting into wagon territory, while the others were just votes.
That still doesn't answer my question : why is that (starting/participating in a wagon) scummy ?
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vote: sudgy for the aforementioned soft attempt to root out PRs.
vote: chairs while I don't think I like any claiming plan, I don't think sudgy's scummy for suggesting it.
I also voted for sudgy for that. did you just look for a reason to vote for someone?
vote: ADK
For me, chairs' vote was the most scummy because it started getting into wagon territory, while the others were just votes.
That still doesn't answer my question : why is that (starting/participating in a wagon) scummy ?
Because my wagons are always ridiculous and don't usually go anywhere. If it was somebody else it wouldn't be nearly as scummy.
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Wait, what ?
Voting on a sudgy wagon is inherently scummy is what you're saying ?
What ?
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Wait, what ?
Voting on a sudgy wagon is inherently scummy is what you're saying ?
What ?
At the beginning, yes. As long as you've played with me before, you know that I always get a wagon at the beginning of every game.
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Wait, what ?
Voting on a sudgy wagon is inherently scummy is what you're saying ?
What ?
At the beginning, yes. As long as you've played with me before, you know that I always get a wagon at the beginning of every game.
Even if that is true (I haven't noticed but sure), the conclusion you get from that is that scum always ends up favoring sudgy wagons in every game you're in ?
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Wait, what ?
Voting on a sudgy wagon is inherently scummy is what you're saying ?
What ?
At the beginning, yes. As long as you've played with me before, you know that I always get a wagon at the beginning of every game.
Even if that is true (I haven't noticed but sure), the conclusion you get from that is that scum always ends up favoring sudgy wagons in every game you're in ?
Yes, they don't usually do anything good and scum want things that don't do anything good.
Now, chairs doesn't have to be the mafia, I'm just saying he's more likely than the other players at the moment because of this.
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I still don't think it will out PRs, but we don't have to do it if we don't want to.
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Vote: Xerxes. He still hasn't written anything since the game started.
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I still don't think it will out PRs, but we don't have to do it if we don't want to.
this is kinda what I think also. But I guess I'm against it in the slight chance that it does out PR's
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Wait, what ?
Voting on a sudgy wagon is inherently scummy is what you're saying ?
What ?
At the beginning, yes. As long as you've played with me before, you know that I always get a wagon at the beginning of every game.
vote: sudgy for trying to pull himself out of the lynch pool day1.
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I think there's a chance that it will out PRs, albeit in potentially subtle ways.
Torn between sudgy and XP now since the later is lurking.
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I think there's a chance that it will out PRs, albeit in potentially subtle ways.
Torn between sudgy and XP now since the later is lurking.
This game has been out for like 15 hours. I don't think we can say XP is lurking quite yet.
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I think there's a chance that it will out PRs, albeit in potentially subtle ways.
Torn between sudgy and XP now since the later is lurking.
This game has been out for like 15 hours. I don't think we can say XP is lurking quite yet.
NEIN YOU MOST POST WITHIN FIVE MINUTES OF THE GAME STARTING!
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Okay chair's post count here is higher than in some of the completed games I've been in with him, that does strike me as a little odd.
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And then I look back over the thread and I guess I was misremembering.
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Well, this is a start :)
About the music claim, although almost everything has been said so far: It really could work both ways, and I don't think it will really help us that much either way.
This last discussion between Teproc and Sudgy is pretty interesting though. I think Sudgy behaves pretty strange. Everybody will say a wagon on them is a bad idea, and it is. For them. So, this is not an argument you can use to say anyone who votes for you is suspicious. I see this more as a you-vote-for-me-so-I-vote-for-you-vote. And that's weird. Vote: Sudgy
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This last discussion between Teproc and Sudgy is pretty interesting though. I think Sudgy behaves pretty strange. Everybody will say a wagon on them is a bad idea, and it is. For them. So, this is not an argument you can use to say anyone who votes for you is suspicious. I see this more as a you-vote-for-me-so-I-vote-for-you-vote. And that's weird. Vote: Sudgy
How many games of mine have you seen? It usually starts with everybody voting for me then they either mislynch me or realize it's a mislynch, then we have no interactions to go off of and we mislynch someone else because my wagon has been the only thing on town's mind the whole day.
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Vote: Hugovj
Looks like classic newbie scum jumping on the Sudgy wagon.
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Hoguvj, how many and which games have you been in?
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I concur with WW here.
vote: Hugo
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His first game is ongoing.
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His first game is ongoing.
Oh, I thought he was around longer because of Telephone Pictionary, which he's in.
Anyway, I actually think his stance is believable because I don't think he's ever played with me before.
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His first game is ongoing.
Oh, I thought he was around longer because of Telephone Pictionary, which he's in.
Anyway, I actually think his stance is believable because I don't think he's ever played with me before.
Doesn't that make it less believable, not more?
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His first game is ongoing.
Oh, I thought he was around longer because of Telephone Pictionary, which he's in.
Anyway, I actually think his stance is believable because I don't think he's ever played with me before.
Doesn't that make it less believable, not more?
It means he knows nothing of sudgy wagons. He doesn't know what happens to them.
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His first game is ongoing.
Oh, I thought he was around longer because of Telephone Pictionary, which he's in.
Anyway, I actually think his stance is believable because I don't think he's ever played with me before.
Doesn't that make it less believable, not more?
It means he knows nothing of sudgy wagons. He doesn't know what happens to them.
To be fair, SK!Sudgy made basically this same argument D1 before.
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I guess what I'm trying to say is that at your best, town!sudgy and scum!sudgy sound basically identical.. and so that tends to encourage your early lynch, because in later Days you don't get much easier to read.
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His first game is ongoing.
Oh, I thought he was around longer because of Telephone Pictionary, which he's in.
Anyway, I actually think his stance is believable because I don't think he's ever played with me before.
Doesn't that make it less believable, not more?
It means he knows nothing of sudgy wagons. He doesn't know what happens to them.
To be fair, SK!Sudgy made basically this same argument D1 before.
And it's still just as valid. I didn't get lynched for that, but for reacting too strongly to my lynch.
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His first game is ongoing.
Oh, I thought he was around longer because of Telephone Pictionary, which he's in.
Anyway, I actually think his stance is believable because I don't think he's ever played with me before.
Doesn't that make it less believable, not more?
It means he knows nothing of sudgy wagons. He doesn't know what happens to them.
To be fair, SK!Sudgy made basically this same argument D1 before.
And it's still just as valid. I didn't get lynched for that, but for reacting too strongly to my lynch.
No it's not a valid argument. "I get wagonned all the time and generally scum is on it" is not a valid argument to say that people voting for you are scummy (or hat one person is scummy for voting for you). It baffles me that you are seriously making this argument. It simply doesn't make any sense, regardless of your alignement or which alignments you've used it before.
As for Hugovj... I find it interesting that he formulated the idea of OMGUS without using the acronym. That to me suggests he hasn't been coached, so I don't think I want to go there.
vote : WW for jumping on an easy newbie mislynch (not that he'll be lynched right now, but you get what I mean).
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I think that in all games I am town, the normal sudgywagon is a serious detriment to town more so than others, because of the way it always works out. Of course, scum want that.
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What do you mean by "the way it always works out" ?
What makes a sudgy wagon worse than any other wagon on town (supposedly) ?
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What do you mean by "the way it always works out" ?
What makes a sudgy wagon worse than any other wagon on town (supposedly) ?
They always last a lot longer and usually until near the end of the day, and it takes up most of the discussion.
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What do you mean by "the way it always works out" ?
What makes a sudgy wagon worse than any other wagon on town (supposedly) ?
They always last a lot longer and usually until near the end of the day, and it takes up most of the discussion.
Why is that, do you think ?
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What do you mean by "the way it always works out" ?
What makes a sudgy wagon worse than any other wagon on town (supposedly) ?
They always last a lot longer and usually until near the end of the day, and it takes up most of the discussion.
Why is that, do you think ?
I don't know, it's probably in the end my fault but that's just how I play.
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Well, this is a start :)
About the music claim, although almost everything has been said so far: It really could work both ways, and I don't think it will really help us that much either way.
This last discussion between Teproc and Sudgy is pretty interesting though. I think Sudgy behaves pretty strange. Everybody will say a wagon on them is a bad idea, and it is. For them. So, this is not an argument you can use to say anyone who votes for you is suspicious. I see this more as a you-vote-for-me-so-I-vote-for-you-vote. And that's weird. Vote: Sudgy
I like the case!
I don't think sudgy-wagons are inherently different from other wagons.
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I just don't think there is an inevitable sudgy wagon that somehow paralyzes the game and needs to be stopped, and I am starting to agree with silverspawn that this seems like you're trying to put yourself out of the lynch pool for day 1.
Basically you're saying that voting for you is scummy and/or anti-town. That's a problem.
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Actually vote : sudgy. The more you explain yourself, the less confident I am that this is just misguided town.
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I just don't think there is an inevitable sudgy wagon that somehow paralyzes the game and needs to be stopped, and I am starting to agree with silverspawn that this seems like you're trying to put yourself out of the lynch pool for day 1.
Basically you're saying that voting for you is scummy and/or anti-town. That's a problem.
Yeah, he is threatening people away from voting him. Not a good look.
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I just don't think there is an inevitable sudgy wagon that somehow paralyzes the game and needs to be stopped, and I am starting to agree with silverspawn that this seems like you're trying to put yourself out of the lynch pool for day 1.
Basically you're saying that voting for you is scummy and/or anti-town. That's a problem.
I'm saying under certain circumstances (for other players too) voting is scummy and/or anti-town. At this point, I would say it slightly is, and that's enough for a vote at the beginning.
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Actually vote : sudgy. The more you explain yourself, the less confident I am that this is just misguided town.
explaining yourself is scummy after all
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Actually vote : sudgy. The more you explain yourself, the less confident I am that this is just misguided town.
explaining yourself is scummy after all
It is ?
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the specific way in which sudgy is explaining his chairs vote is scummy.
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Actually vote : sudgy. The more you explain yourself, the less confident I am that this is just misguided town.
explaining yourself is scummy after all
It is ?
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the specific way in which sudgy is explaining his chairs vote is scummy.
i was trying to do a "everything is scummy according to WW" joke
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Actually vote : sudgy. The more you explain yourself, the less confident I am that this is just misguided town.
explaining yourself is scummy after all
It is ?
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the specific way in which sudgy is explaining his chairs vote is scummy.
i was trying to do a "everything is scummy according to WW" joke
I must have missed the game this is referring to because I don't get it, but ok.
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vote count please and thank you.
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If you're worried about the sudgy wagon, I believe he's at L-2 right now.
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I'm glad I'm catching on.
Don't like the Sudgy wagon.
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I'm glad I'm catching on.
Don't like the Sudgy wagon.
Care to elaborate ?
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Okay, quick thoughts. I'll read thoroughly later.
Don't like flavor claim.
Sudgy's scummy for suggesting something that could actually work that's anti-town.
Whoever started the sudgy wagon is scummy because sudgy tends to get lynched when people make cases on him.
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I'm glad I'm catching on.
Don't like the Sudgy wagon.
Care to elaborate ?
Elaboration is scummy!
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Inside jokes I'm not part of are scummier.
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Whoever started the sudgy wagon is scummy because sudgy tends to get lynched when people make cases on him.
Uh, what?
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I could jump on the sudgy wagon, especially because there seems to be a lot of resistance to it. What L is he at?
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phone posting. This is a super busy day for me. I should be able to post a bit before I go to sleep though. so approx. 8-9 hours from now.
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I could jump on the sudgy wagon, especially because there seems to be a lot of resistance to it. What L is he at?
L-2 (Beyond Awesome, silverspawn, chairs, Hugovj, myself).
Honestly I would rather we wait a bit before putting hi to L-1, if only because I'm not sure how serious BA's vote was. Also people being put at L-1 super early tends to make everyone go a little crazy (see Zelda Mafia, Legend of)
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My defense for the claiming is that I still don't think it will out PRs, and my defense for Teproc's vote is that I was just trying to explain my vote.
I'm not going to mention the wagon any more.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijhQ2GJp57g
Vote Count 1.1
Beyond Awesome (1): Ichimaru Gin
Hugovj (2): Witherweaver, A Drowned Kernel
sudgy (5): Beyond Awesome, chairs, silverspawn, hugovj, Teproc
chairs (1): sudgy
XerxesPraelor (1): xxpittip
Not Voting (3): Eevee, XerxesPraelor, Hydrad
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. D1 ends Friday, November 28th at 10:30 PM.
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Arch, I'm voting for sudgy.
Actually vote : sudgy. The more you explain yourself, the less confident I am that this is just misguided town.
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Oh pit is in this game, vote: pit
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Town read on ADK because I'd normally find that scummy.
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Oh wow, that's... just really bad, to miss that lack of content. vote: xxpittip
PPE: 1
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Whoever started the sudgy wagon is scummy because sudgy tends to get lynched when people make cases on him.
Uh, what?
I'm thinking of the game where SK!sudgy got lynched D1.
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Man, i'm really paying my decision not to read games I'm not playing anymore...
Did xxpittip already participate in a finished game ?
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Whoever started the sudgy wagon is scummy because sudgy tends to get lynched when people make cases on him.
Uh, what?
I'm thinking of the game where SK!sudgy got lynched D1.
To be fair, that's a very old reference at this point (Dynasty Warriors right ?). I wasn't even playing back then !
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Man, i'm really paying my decision not to read games I'm not playing anymore...
Did xxpittip already participate in a finished game ?
I'm pretty sure first game is the ongoing newbie one.
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Whoever started the sudgy wagon is scummy because sudgy tends to get lynched when people make cases on him.
Uh, what?
I'm thinking of the game where SK!sudgy got lynched D1.
To be fair, that's a very old reference at this point (Dynasty Warriors right ?). I wasn't even playing back then !
OH GOD IS THAT OLD? OH GOD I AM OLD
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@Teproc: It's more "pit is in this game and has posted next to nothing"
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Here for a bit.
I haven't played with sudgy much (I think 1 game) so can't really attest to his meta. I don't really see scum being so obvious/attracting so much attention to themself though.
Chairs level of participation is of interest. I'm pretty sure he's been more active in recent games though--so not sure if it really speaks to his alignment.
I'm gonna vote: xxpittip for lurking. And I don't really like his vote on XP--since he's usually an easy mislynch.
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I'm gonna vote: xxpittip for lurking. And I don't really like his vote on XP--since he's usually an easy mislynch.
he has no way of knowing that though
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I'm gonna vote: xxpittip for lurking. And I don't really like his vote on XP--since he's usually an easy mislynch.
he has no way of knowing that though
He does if he has a more experienced partner(s).
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whoa. Just saying this sudden pit wagon feels wrong. I have a town read on pit right now just because I really think this wagon is too weird and I don't like it at all. Its starting way to fast.
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whoa. Just saying this sudden pit wagon feels wrong. I have a town read on pit right now just because I really think this wagon is too weird and I don't like it at all. Its starting way to fast.
He has like 3 votes on him--and he needs to post more, so I think the wagon is good.
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whoa. Just saying this sudden pit wagon feels wrong. I have a town read on pit right now just because I really think this wagon is too weird and I don't like it at all. Its starting way to fast.
He has like 3 votes on him--and he needs to post more, so I think the wagon is good.
I guess its not as bad as I thought. I thought he had a earlier vote on him somewhere also so I thought he was at 4. Plus I'm not used to 7 being the lynch amount.
I still don't like it though but I do agree that I would like to see more input from him.
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I can understand that. There have been a lot of smaller setups lately, so yeah I'm used to less votes for a lynch as well.
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I'm just bummed because I had a specific PR in mind with my song and didn't get what I was shooting for.
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I'm just bummed because I had a specific PR in mind with my song and didn't get what I was shooting for.
So this makes me not want to song claim at all now.
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whoa. Just saying this sudden pit wagon feels wrong. I have a town read on pit right now just because I really think this wagon is too weird and I don't like it at all. Its starting way to fast.
Okay how about vote: Hydrad
Seriously, people need to stop being so afraid of quickly growing wagons, they're pretty awesome and people's reactions are usually pretty telling.
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TBH, one of us is going to get lynched D1, and it's probably going to be Town, and that's okay, because that's how we build reads for the next Day, where we have more info.
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whoa. Just saying this sudden pit wagon feels wrong. I have a town read on pit right now just because I really think this wagon is too weird and I don't like it at all. Its starting way to fast.
Okay how about vote: Hydrad
Seriously, people need to stop being so afraid of quickly growing wagons, they're pretty awesome and people's reactions are usually pretty telling.
I'm fine with wagons and i do think they are good for reactions and things. I'm just stating though the pit one I didn't like at all. I think the sudgy one was great for info.
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The thing I hate is I'd offer to give myself up as a D1 lynch so Town can get this party rockin', but self-suggested D1 lynches provide less information.
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The thing I hate is I'd offer to give myself up as a D1 lynch so Town can get this party rockin', but self-suggested D1 lynches provide less information.
That is a... interesting thing to post. I think we are actually doing pretty good day1 this game. people are taking sides and reactions are happening pretty well.
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Maybe. I just feel like it's "WAGON THIS GUY! WAIT NO! WAGON THIS OTHER GUY! WAGONS? WHY ARE WE ON WAGONS? WHAT KIND OF PICTURE ARE WE SHOOTING HERE ANYWAY?" a little bit.
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I like this chairs. previous chairs lurked alot and I couldn't read. this one uses caps. I like caps
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Previous chairs cared more about trying to cold/calculated win than about having some goddamn fun.
I like this chairs more too :)
Obligatory ;D in memory of the robz emote rule.
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whoa. Just saying this sudden pit wagon feels wrong. I have a town read on pit right now just because I really think this wagon is too weird and I don't like it at all. Its starting way to fast.
Okay how about vote: Hydrad
Seriously, people need to stop being so afraid of quickly growing wagons, they're pretty awesome and people's reactions are usually pretty telling.
Vote: Hydrad Plus, white knighting.
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whoa. Just saying this sudden pit wagon feels wrong. I have a town read on pit right now just because I really think this wagon is too weird and I don't like it at all. Its starting way to fast.
Okay how about vote: Hydrad
Seriously, people need to stop being so afraid of quickly growing wagons, they're pretty awesome and people's reactions are usually pretty telling.
Vote: Hydrad Plus, white knighting.
how is that one white knighting?
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whoa. Just saying this sudden pit wagon feels wrong. I have a town read on pit right now just because I really think this wagon is too weird and I don't like it at all. Its starting way to fast.
Okay how about vote: Hydrad
Seriously, people need to stop being so afraid of quickly growing wagons, they're pretty awesome and people's reactions are usually pretty telling.
Vote: Hydrad Plus, white knighting.
how is that one white knighting?
Okay it's only one defense, but it's still defending. I'm pretty sure you did that in Wool mafia, too.
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Provide concrete example of scum white knighting to good effect, or even better, of scum!Hydrad white knighting.
This is another one of those things that are considered scum but are mostly done by town. Defending someone that gets a lot of suspicion is something I do all the time as town.
I actually get a solid town read on Hydrad from this, I have no idea why scum!Hydrad would freak out over a nothing wagon like that. Even if hey're partners I think he'd try to be more subtle.
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whoa. Just saying this sudden pit wagon feels wrong. I have a town read on pit right now just because I really think this wagon is too weird and I don't like it at all. Its starting way to fast.
Okay how about vote: Hydrad
Seriously, people need to stop being so afraid of quickly growing wagons, they're pretty awesome and people's reactions are usually pretty telling.
Vote: Hydrad Plus, white knighting.
how is that one white knighting?
Okay it's only one defense, but it's still defending. I'm pretty sure you did that in Wool mafia, too.
ya I think it was on ichi. who I actually thought was town and ended up being the traitor. But there I defended ichi like 8 times in 1 day so I think that one is white knighting. I don't think you can call my pit defense white knighting.
PPE:1
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Provide concrete example of scum white knighting to good effect, or even better, of scum!Hydrad white knighting.
This is another one of those things that are considered scum but are mostly done by town. Defending someone that gets a lot of suspicion is something I do all the time as town.
I actually get a solid town read on Hydrad from this, I have no idea why scum!Hydrad would freak out over a nothing wagon like that. Even if hey're partners I think he'd try to be more subtle.
oh uh. see above post. I'll agree that I did white knight in that game.
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Provide concrete example of scum white knighting to good effect, or even better, of scum!Hydrad white knighting.
This is another one of those things that are considered scum but are mostly done by town. Defending someone that gets a lot of suspicion is something I do all the time as town.
I actually get a solid town read on Hydrad from this, I have no idea why scum!Hydrad would freak out over a nothing wagon like that. Even if hey're partners I think he'd try to be more subtle.
I'm pretty sure it, like, just happened in Hydrad's last scum game.
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Yeah, I checked back. He did it in Wool mafia early Day 1 against Ichi; strong town read from not a lot of data.
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I'll also vote: Hydrad
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TBH, one of us is going to get lynched D1, and it's probably going to be Town, and that's okay, because that's how we build reads for the next Day, where we have more info.
I absolutely don't agree with this. Remember that wagon analysis only provides information if scum fears the wagons, otherwise, they can just vote for the most convenient target possible. so, I think it's very important to hunt scum and to pressure wagons that are scum at some point.
plus it's always possible to lynch scum day1, which would be great. PPS was lynched day1 in ASOIAF, and we basically lost the game right there.
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I'm just bummed because I had a specific PR in mind with my song and didn't get what I was shooting for.
...Mafia/Vigilante? ;)
whoa. Just saying this sudden pit wagon feels wrong. I have a town read on pit right now just because I really think this wagon is too weird and I don't like it at all. Its starting way to fast.
Okay how about vote: Hydrad
Seriously, people need to stop being so afraid of quickly growing wagons, they're pretty awesome and people's reactions are usually pretty telling.
Agreed with most reasons here. Vote: Hydrad
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TBH, one of us is going to get lynched D1, and it's probably going to be Town, and that's okay, because that's how we build reads for the next Day, where we have more info.
I absolutely don't agree with this. Remember that wagon analysis only provides information if scum fears the wagons, otherwise, they can just vote for the most convenient target possible. so, I think it's very important to hunt scum and to pressure wagons that are scum at some point.
plus it's always possible to lynch scum day1, which would be great. PPS was lynched day1 in ASOIAF, and we basically lost the game right there.
I agree with your disagreement on this.
also ya I think games that scum is caught day1 makes it super hard for scum to win. So just giving up and assuming we hot town or get lucky is the wrong mindset I think
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dang the tables turned fast there. Now I'm the biggest wagon. ah well I'm still liking how this day is going so far.
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I'm not saying we shouldn't shoot for scum.
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Yeah, vote: hydrad looks good. Payback time! ;)
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Upon reread, sudgy actually does look quite scummy for reasons I can't talk about. I'd be okay lynching him too.
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Upon reread, sudgy actually does look quite scummy for reasons I can't talk about. I'd be okay lynching him too.
Vote: XerxesPraelor cases based on hidden information are never, I repeat never, good.
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Um, that's quite OMGUS. You probably know what I'm talking about - I don't want to spill it out now, but I will tomorrow depending on circumstances. It's not hidden information, per se, just something I don't want to talk about yet.
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And I didn't even vote you.
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Of course, I realize you tend to react strongly to cases you think are bad, so no scumpoints for your reaction, don't worry. It's not strong evidence either, just something.
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If your case rests on ongoing games, just don't talk about it. Invent something else, be creative. Go for the good old "gut feeling" explanation, but don't mention that it's "something you can't talk about", because everyone knows what that means and it makes the rule of not talking about ongoing games pointless.
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Well I have a hunch about ALL OF YOU but I can't talk about it.
::)
What's that on hydrad now, l-2? l-1?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtOpP4QJa9k
Vote Count 1.2
sudgy (3): Beyond Awesome, hugovj, Teproc
XerxesPraelor (2): xxpittip, sudgy
xxpittip (2): chairs, Ichimaru Gin
Hydrad (4): A Drowned Kernel, Witherweaver, silverspawn, XerxesPraelor
Not Voting (2): Eevee, Hydrad
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. D1 ends Friday, November 28th at 10:30 PM.
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People are sheeping me pretty heavy on the Hydrad thing, that's... well, interestingtm.
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People are sheeping me pretty heavy on the Hydrad thing, that's... well, interestingTM.
FTFY. ;)
On a more serious note, I don't really see Hydrad reacting this way to suspicion on his partner. Also, it's been pointed out rightly that he has a history of so-called "white-knighting" as town I think.
Man there's lots of OMGUS going around. I'm inclined to think that's a bad thing.
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Man, i'm really paying my decision not to read games I'm not playing anymore...
Did xxpittip already participate in a finished game ?
Nope. This is my second game and in my first game (Newbie mafia 7: fish mafia) i was lynched on day 1
Unvote because he finally showed up.
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Man, i'm really paying my decision not to read games I'm not playing anymore...
Did xxpittip already participate in a finished game ?
Nope. This is my second game and in my first game (Newbie mafia 7: fish mafia) i was lynched on day 1
Unvote because he finally showed up.
this is not a big deal, but it's a rule on f.ds (this forum) not to reference ongoing games, at all. just pretend as though they aren't there. as soon as they are over, you can talk about them.
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there's also a non-explicit policy to lynch all lurkers, so you should post more
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there's also a non-explicit policy to lynch all lurkers, so you should post more
We never seem to actually use that policy though.
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there's also a non-explicit policy to lynch all lurkers, so you should post more
We never seem to actually use that policy though.
we should though. I support lurker lynches.
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People are sheeping me pretty heavy on the Hydrad thing, that's... well, interestingTM.
FTFY. ;)
On a more serious note, I don't really see Hydrad reacting this way to suspicion on his partner. Also, it's been pointed out rightly that he has a history of so-called "white-knighting" as town I think.
Man there's lots of OMGUS going around. I'm inclined to think that's a bad thing.
When did he do it as town?
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Hoguvj, how many and which games have you been in?
I haven't been in that many games yet. If you're lynched every game, I can understand that's no fun. However, if you do defend yourself like you did in this game, I can hardly blame other people for lynching you.
By the way, what's a white knight? I get it's a type of tactic, but what exactly is it?
Also, where are all those Hydrad votes coming from? I can't seem to find that much suspicious things about Hydrad?
Fun fact: WW and ADK voted twice right after each other on the same person.
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Hydrad is another guy who has a tendency of drawing a lot of votes. Of course, the one time I defended him heavily (as town), he was scum, so I don't claim to be an expert on him. I'm not getting a particularly scummy vibe though, maybe someone could explain the case once more?
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Hydrad is another guy who has a tendency of drawing a lot of votes. Of course, the one time I defended him heavily (as town), he was scum, so I don't claim to be an expert on him. I'm not getting a particularly scummy vibe though, maybe someone could explain the case once more?
For me, it was just the aversion to a quickish wagon and him claiming a town read.
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Well more like defense than aversion.
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Now I feel like I need to go through my games and get examples of me doing this other times as town. I usually feel this way on wagons and when they build fast I get towny reads on them. One example off the top of my head was in village mafia when it was between WW and Jimmm when WW had the bigger wagon I was really sure it was Jimm that was scum.
I've done this before and I'm not really sure why this time its being brought up as whiteknighting. Unless your just looking out for it because of my recent scum game and thinking its a scumtell.
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Now I feel like I need to go through my games and get examples of me doing this other times as town. I usually feel this way on wagons and when they build fast I get towny reads on them. One example off the top of my head was in village mafia when it was between WW and Jimmm when WW had the bigger wagon I was really sure it was Jimm that was scum.
I've done this before and I'm not really sure why this time its being brought up as whiteknighting. Unless your just looking out for it because of my recent scum game and thinking its a scumtell.
Well I don't really remember the town ones. Honestly in Village Mafia I wasn't paying all that much attention to everyone else's arguments since I knew I was lying there. I was only noting whether or not they were in my camp or Jimmm's.
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Ok, well if Hydrad has a history of doing this as scum that's a reasonable case though.
I still like the sudgy lynch much better. He reached L-2 and then... discussion moved elsewhere. Hat's not what usually happens when people get a quick wagon on them : usually it becomes all about that wagon.
I was following Wool mafia early but then stopped, did Ichi turn out to be scum there ? I'm too lazy to check. Because if he was maybe my argument doesn't hold much water, but otherwise that would be too cases (the other being Hydrad in Legend of Zelda) where super early wagons on town lead to a massive freakout, and this is not what happened here with sudgy.
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Ichi was scum in Wool, yeah.
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Ok, well if Hydrad has a history of doing this as scum that's a reasonable case though.
I still like the sudgy lynch much better. He reached L-2 and then... discussion moved elsewhere. Hat's not what usually happens when people get a quick wagon on them : usually it becomes all about that wagon.
I was following Wool mafia early but then stopped, did Ichi turn out to be scum there ? I'm too lazy to check. Because if he was maybe my argument doesn't hold much water, but otherwise that would be too cases (the other being Hydrad in Legend of Zelda) where super early wagons on town lead to a massive freakout, and this is not what happened here with sudgy.
Wait, what happened in Legend of Zelda?
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Hydrad (who was town) got to L-1 super early, there was a whole fight about it (ash was the one to put him there) which ended up dominating day 1.
But if Ichi was scum my point holds much less water so whatever.
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I believe in legend of zelda I also said ash was town when his wagon built up that game too. I do it in most games it looks like I don't know why I'm being called out this time.
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I think my wagon didn't cause as much freak out because it's not much to freak out at.
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also I don't know if this is good or bad if I say this but in that game even though ichi was scum I thought he was town as he was a traitor so I didn't know I was defending scum.
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Fun fact: WW and ADK voted twice right after each other on the same person.
I mean, I was explicitly agreeing with WW in my post.
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also I don't know if this is good or bad if I say this but in that game even though ichi was scum I thought he was town as he was a traitor so I didn't know I was defending scum.
Right but the more important thing is that you were defending him while you were scum, ie this is something you do when you're scum.
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Yes you were ADK, twice. That's remarkable. Not directly suspicious, but it caught my eye.
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I like to let myself be convinced sometimes, it leads to interesting places.
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Yes you were ADK, twice. That's remarkable. Not directly suspicious, but it caught my eye.
Yeah, that's definitely worth pointing out. Makes ADK feel scummier and WW feel townier to me.
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Fun fact: WW and ADK voted twice right after each other on the same person.
I mean, I was explicitly agreeing with WW in my post.
I agree with this.
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So let's just lynch, uh...
Hydrad? I think Hydrad. Where's my vote at anyway?
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Okay it's on the newbie and I'm not derphammering. vote: hydrad.
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Okay it's on the newbie and I'm not derphammering. vote: hydrad.
What does that first part mean ?
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So let's just lynch, uh...
Hydrad? I think Hydrad. Where's my vote at anyway?
hmm well seeing as we have over a week to lynch and I would prefer to hit scum today it would be nice if we don't rush the lynch. Especially if its on me.
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How many votes is that on Hydrad?
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How many votes is that on Hydrad?
5 to many!
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Okay it's on the newbie and I'm not derphammering. vote: hydrad.
What does that first part mean ?
My vote was on pit the newbie.
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there's also a non-explicit policy to lynch all lurkers, so you should post more
We never seem to actually use that policy though.
we should though. I support lurker lynches.
Sorry for "lurking" again, but i didn't have anytime the whole day... I will be more active tomorrow and the rest of the weekend
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I was excited to see a Hydrad lynch get going and then realized I was already voting for him. Well, doublevote: Hydrad, I guess.
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I was excited to see a Hydrad lynch get going and then realized I was already voting for him. Well, doublevote: Hydrad, I guess.
Why do you want to see me lynched? You seemed to vote me with no real reason at first and looked more like a RVS vote almost. Unless I'm missing something.
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eh, I don't actually feel scum!hydrad here to be honest.
unvote
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I was excited to see a Hydrad lynch get going and then realized I was already voting for him. Well, doublevote: Hydrad, I guess.
You feel that strongly about Hydrad?
Please tell me, please tell me whyyyyyyyyyyyy-ee-yiyyy-ee-yiyyy
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I'm actually not sure I remember. Let me go look at what I said when I originally voted.
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Oh because he was getting kerfuffled over the pit wagon growing quickly, when quick wagons on day one are good for town. Yep, 100% obvscum.
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Oh because he was getting kerfuffled over the pit wagon growing quickly, when quick wagons on day one are good for town. Yep, 100% obvscum.
I'm assuming you are joking about the 100% obv scum but since its hard to detect sarcasm over the internet I have to ask. Are you serious about me being obv scum for that?
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Well one good thing about wagons on me is it gives me lots of info and see if there is scum on my wagon or not.
Honestly I think there might be and I think its ADK.
He started out jumping on pit and when I opposed it jumped on me without a reason. This looks like a kinda jokey vote from my eyes at first but its also a test to see if anyone will follow.
When the wagon starts getting attention he then gives a reason to make it seem like it was a serious vote and that he wasn't searching for a wagon to catch on.
Thats how it looks like from my eyes so I'm going to
Vote: ADK
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Man that's just OMGUS. But your reaction isn't necessarily the important one to a fast-moving wagon.
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It's more than omgus. He gave pretty rational reasons.
Of course, me and hugo sort of enabled that read by posting concerns about you earlier, which would make scumhydrad more likely to go after you (if you are town).
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But I did have a reason for voting for him, it was that he freaked out a little over a wagon that wasn't his, simply because it was fast moving. It was a serious vote from the start.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpIvgdmjuOw
Vote Count 1.3
sudgy (3): Beyond Awesome, hugovj, Teproc
XerxesPraelor (1): sudgy
xxpittip (1): Ichimaru Gin
Hydrad (5): A Drowned Kernel, Witherweaver, silverspawn, XerxesPraelor, chairs
A Drowned Kernel (1):Hydrad
Not Voting (2): Eevee,xxpittip
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. D1 ends Friday, November 28th at 10:30 PM.
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I think SS unvoted me so I'm one less person from dying!
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suddenly silence
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Hello f.ds my old friend
I've come to vote with you again
Because a gut read softly creeping
Reared its head while I was sleeping
And the voting that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence
With restless voting here alone
Mafia hiding on the morn
'Neath the cover of lurky days
I turn my breath to reads and plays
When my mind was stabbed by the flash of a gut read bright
That maybe might
Lynch Mafia in silence
And in the silver light I saw
A vote: sudgy from a core
Of Town talking and reads speaking
Of Town hearing and votes leaking
Of Town making arguments never heard
And no one word
Could break this sound of silence
tl;dr vote: sudgy.
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Eh let's see what happens.
vote: sudgy
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Hello f.ds my old friend
I've come to vote with you again
Because a gut read softly creeping
Reared its head while I was sleeping
And the voting that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence
With restless voting here alone
Mafia hiding on the morn
'Neath the cover of lurky days
I turn my breath to reads and plays
When my mind was stabbed by the flash of a gut read bright
That maybe might
Lynch Mafia in silence
And in the silver light I saw
A vote: sudgy from a core
Of Town talking and reads speaking
Of Town hearing and votes leaking
Of Town making arguments never heard
And no one word
Could break this sound of silence
tl;dr vote: sudgy.
Uh, can you explain yourself not in poem form please?
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Hello f.ds my old friend
I've come to vote with you again
Because a gut read softly creeping
Reared its head while I was sleeping
And the voting that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence
With restless voting here alone
Mafia hiding on the morn
'Neath the cover of lurky days
I turn my breath to reads and plays
When my mind was stabbed by the flash of a gut read bright
That maybe might
Lynch Mafia in silence
And in the silver light I saw
A vote: sudgy from a core
Of Town talking and reads speaking
Of Town hearing and votes leaking
Of Town making arguments never heard
And no one word
Could break this sound of silence
tl;dr vote: sudgy.
Uh, can you explain yourself not in poem form please?
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He wrote gut read multiple times... I suppose he doesn't have any "rational" reasons
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Eh let's see what happens.
I thought the Sudgy wagon was so very suspicious? As you voted for me for "jumping on it"? So, why the sudden shift?
Vote: A Drowned Kernel
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Man, that was ages ago, and something needs to get this game going.
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Hello f.ds my old friend
I've come to vote with you again
Because a gut read softly creeping
Reared its head while I was sleeping
And the voting that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence
With restless voting here alone
Mafia hiding on the morn
'Neath the cover of lurky days
I turn my breath to reads and plays
When my mind was stabbed by the flash of a gut read bright
That maybe might
Lynch Mafia in silence
And in the silver light I saw
A vote: sudgy from a core
Of Town talking and reads speaking
Of Town hearing and votes leaking
Of Town making arguments never heard
And no one word
Could break this sound of silence
tl;dr vote: sudgy.
Uh, can you explain yourself not in poem form please?
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Suddenly sudgy
Is standing beside you
You don't need no trick vote
Don't have to pretend
Suddenly sudgy
Is here to provide you
Sweet understanding
sudgy's your friend
vote: A Drowned Kernel has activated my trap card!
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Nope, try again.
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Are you saying "Sorry, chairsio, but your D1 Mafia lynch is in another castle"?
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You have such a way with words. And yes.
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+1 that is awesome.
Seriously though, ADK's right. Something needs to happen to get this game going. I'm gonna unvote for the moment and probably do a reread later today.
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+1 that is awesome.
Seriously though, ADK's right. Something needs to happen to get this game going. I'm gonna unvote for the moment and probably do a reread later today.
Yeah, I got a little antsy and I wanted to see who would respond to it with "whatever I'm voting this thing".
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"Something needs to happen" ?
While I agree with the sentiment, this game seems to be going alone pretty well so far, I see no particular urgency, we've had a few meaningful wagons already.
That being said, I don't really see scum!ADK radically change his mind on sudgy, scum often likes to be consistent.
chairs... I have no idea, he doesn't play usually like this, but that doesn't mean he's scum, and I like this a lot more than lurker!chairs, so I'm willing to let it go.
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I'd actually go so far as to say I have a town read on chairs.
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"Something needs to happen" ?
While I agree with the sentiment, this game seems to be going alone pretty well so far, I see no particular urgency, we've had a few meaningful wagons already.
That being said, I don't really see scum!ADK radically change his mind on sudgy, scum often likes to be consistent.
chairs... I have no idea, he doesn't play usually like this, but that doesn't mean he's scum, and I like this a lot more than lurker!chairs, so I'm willing to let it go.
yeah. chairs claim wasn't really ideal, but it definitely constitutes a concrete event to help base reads off of. There seem to be a lot of low activity people though, so that doesn't really help things progress as quickly.
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"Something needs to happen" ?
While I agree with the sentiment, this game seems to be going alone pretty well so far, I see no particular urgency, we've had a few meaningful wagons already.
That being said, I don't really see scum!ADK radically change his mind on sudgy, scum often likes to be consistent.
chairs... I have no idea, he doesn't play usually like this, but that doesn't mean he's scum, and I like this a lot more than lurker!chairs, so I'm willing to let it go.
yeah. chairs claim wasn't really ideal, but it definitely constitutes a concrete event to help base reads off of. There seem to be a lot of low activity people though, so that doesn't really help things progress as quickly.
Huh?
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Wrong game?
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god, sorry. I got my games mixed up again.
Blah, this shouldn't happen again. Sorry guys. :-[
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Ok. talking about this game now.
I think the discussion around song claiming was good. I find it of note (ha ha) that although there was suspicion on some people for being pro-claim, I don't recall anyone being suspicious of ADK for bringing it up first thing. To be clear, I didn't really think it was related to alignment, but some people did, and that suspicion didn't seem to be spread evenly.
There are a lot of people (XP, Hydrad, ADK) who I see as easy mislynches. I know it's not really rational, but I tend to not want to lynch those guys since I see them as scummy most of the time anyway. So I don't really buy the weak cases on them right now since that's the way things normally are.
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I never saw ADK as an easy mislynch, he's more in the "active rational townie" category for me.
I do think it makes sense to have more reticence to lynch someone who gets mislynched all the time, that's just taking their meta into account. You can't lynch mail-mi for lurking for example, that'd be like lynching ash for doing something crazy or lynch Eevee for buddying;
As for this game, I still find sudgy scummy. He kinda disappeared once discussion moved away from his wagon, that's a tendency I know I have as scum when getting pressure (hoping people kinda forget I exist).
Also, Beyond Awesome hasn't posted since he voted for sudgy for rolefishing. That was way too long ago.
Request a prod on Beyond Awesome.
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vote: Beyond Awesome
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Huh I didn't even realize BA was in this game. Hes usually a much bigger poster. Actually has he been scum yet?
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I never saw ADK as an easy mislynch, he's more in the "active rational townie" category for me.
I do think it makes sense to have more reticence to lynch someone who gets mislynched all the time, that's just taking their meta into account. You can't lynch mail-mi for lurking for example, that'd be like lynching ash for doing something crazy or lynch Eevee for buddying;
As for this game, I still find sudgy scummy. He kinda disappeared once discussion moved away from his wagon, that's a tendency I know I have as scum when getting pressure (hoping people kinda forget I exist).
Also, Beyond Awesome hasn't posted since he voted for sudgy for rolefishing. That was way too long ago.
Request a prod on Beyond Awesome.
Yeah. Maybe it's moreso that just I see him as scummy a lot of the time so it's something to watch for. For sure, I have definitely done that as scum (disappear to try and avoid suspicion). And it's pretty marked that once the focus shifted elsewhere, sudgy's barely posted at all.
@Hydrad yeah I didn't think BA was in this game either. From what I remember of his play, he is usually a very active player who posts a lot. So this is more than a little suspicious. He's not VLA is he?
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I don't remember BA being in this game. The new players are quiet, too, as is the Eevee.
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I probably should have mentioned I was gone for a while...
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Eevee being quiet on day 1 is pretty normal, I don't think I've played with Beyond Awesome yet... maybe the Greater Idea Mafia ?
ADK, why did you change your mind on sudgy ?
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Yeah, I'm reading but day 1s are what they are. I'll reread the bigger wagons and give an opinion, though.
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Wait, people are saying that ADK switched his opinion on me, but he's still voting... ADK, do you still want to be voting me?
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Wait, people are saying that ADK switched his opinion on me, but he's still voting... ADK, do you still want to be voting me?
He was criticizing the wagon on you and then changed his mind and voted for you, not the contrary.
Nice try though.
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Eevee being quiet on day 1 is pretty normal, I don't think I've played with Beyond Awesome yet... maybe the Greater Idea Mafia ?
ADK, why did you change your mind on sudgy ?
chairs convinced me with the magic of poetry.
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Eevee being quiet on day 1 is pretty normal, I don't think I've played with Beyond Awesome yet... maybe the Greater Idea Mafia ?
ADK, why did you change your mind on sudgy ?
chairs convinced me with the magic of poetry.
Vote: ADK We have plenty to go off of already, you need more than RVS reasons to vote.
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Hey guys,
Sorry for not posting much. I've been swamped right now. Lots of work, and I am in another game at the moment that is further along, so I have been giving that my attention, and really have not had a chance to peek at this game. I'm sorry about that. I am not a fan of lurkers and players that don't contribute, so I am going to put more effort into this game going forward. I Promise.
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Anyway, some reads and thoughts.
I have not played any games with sudgy, so I don't know anything about sudgy wagons. This is the first time I have heard about that. The whole argument that he shouldn't get lynched because he always gets lynched is WIFOM and seems to be an attempt on sudgy's part to make other players look scummy for thinking sudgy seems scummy. I still don't like the way he opens the game with what to me essentially is asking who does and does not have a PR. If anyone player feels scummy to me this game, it's sudgy.
Ichi comes out and says he is fine with song claiming. He immediately suggests it in his opening post. The mod makes it clear that songs can be linked to roles, so I see this as a subtle attempt at role fishing on his part. He later on states that he doesn't think scum can't guess PRs from song claims which I think is a silly thing to say, especially for players that may have gone with very obvious songs. However, it is also possible ichi just threw this out there to see how other players would react. He then votes for pit who seems to be a pretty new player. He is like the third player to vote for pit, so I find this quite scummy, maybe even scummier than sudgy's claim suggestion earlier.
Hydrad--null
Teproc--null
XP--null
WW--null
pit--umm, don't really know much about this player. Never played with him, and his posts are null as they come.
hugo--don't know much about this player and not many posts from him either. Null.
adk--he seems to try to get a wagon against hugo who is a newbie from what I can gather. I'm not a fan of that. So, slight scum points for me there. I will keep a close eye on adk for sure.
silverspawn seems nullish to me so far.
chairs: oh man, I can't say how much I love chairs play style this game. I love his poetry and posts. It's unique and so much better than the lurker! chairs I played with in the past. This doesn't mean he's townie or anything but he's definitely getting a D1 pass from me.
eevee is against song claiming at first. Other than that, I am pretty null on him.
Overall, impressions, no one strikes me as really towny. So many players are null for me. :( sudgy does seem a bit scummy at first. But, I really find ichi the scummiest of all the players. I am surprised on one else is voting for him.
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Vote: Ichi
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Eevee being quiet on day 1 is pretty normal, I don't think I've played with Beyond Awesome yet... maybe the Greater Idea Mafia ?
ADK, why did you change your mind on sudgy ?
chairs convinced me with the magic of poetry.
1. If this is a lie: That definitely looks like scum to me (why would town lie about their reasons to think someone is scummy?)
2. If this the truth: If someone (potential scum) can convince him so easily to follow his / her vote, scum could abuse this to get wagons on town people. (I think 2 is less likely since he is one of the more experienced players)
Vote: ADK
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I'n standing in the queue to board a plane for an impromptu holiday, so no long post, just letting you know I won't be on today. Good news is I'm coming to an american timezone, which should make participating in conversations when they happen easier. I'm not sure where my vote is at right now, but I'll vote: sudgy for pre-emptively painting anyone who dares join his wagon as opportunistic scum.
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Eevee being quiet on day 1 is pretty normal, I don't think I've played with Beyond Awesome yet... maybe the Greater Idea Mafia ?
ADK, why did you change your mind on sudgy ?
chairs convinced me with the magic of poetry.
1. If this is a lie: That definitely looks like scum to me (why would town lie about their reasons to think someone is scummy?)
2. If this the truth: If someone (potential scum) can convince him so easily to follow his / her vote, scum could abuse this to get wagons on town people. (I think 2 is less likely since he is one of the more experienced players)
Vote: ADK
And this is L-2 (meaning 2 votes are left to hammer (assuming chairs vote counts (you should announce this kind of stuff for L-X if X <= 2)))
vote: ADK. This is L-1
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Uh now it looks like I'm deflecting from ADK.
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Uh now it looks like I'm deflecting from ADK.
Why is this a problem? Only looks bad for you if ADK is scum, and if you think that is the case, why aren't you voting for him?
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I'm not sure why town!Eevee would be worried that it looks like he's deflecting, but I'm not sure why scum!Eevee would mention it so whatever.
I'm going to try to get a vote count together because this is a little muddy right now.
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Um yeah so I forgot I had started doing a votecount but ADK is only at L-2, silverspawn must have forgotten that chairs voted BA.
This is wher we're at :
A Drowned Kernel (5) : Hydrad, Hugovj, sudg, xxpittip, silverspawn
Hydrad (2) : Witherweaver, XerxesPraelor
sudgy (2) : Teproc, A Drowned Kernel
Beyond Awesome (1) : chairs
Ichimaru Gin (1) : Beyond Awesome
Not Voting (4) : Eevee, xxpittip, silverspawn, Ichimaru Gin
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Looks like I missed Eevee's vote on sudgy.
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If I'm voting for ADK, I'm not not voting.
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I don't have much time to vote but for real, the fact that the sudgy wagon has stalled so much makes me like it a lot better. People (including me, I know) are switching votes around a lot, we need a real wagon. This game is lower priority to me right now than the other games but I'd be willing ot vote BA for lurkiness, Hydrad for Hydradness, and sudgy because the wagon stalled.
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I could get behind a ADK lynch, he's been uncharacteristically sheepy this game, but I'd much rather lynch sudgy or Ichimaru. I don't quite have a case on Ichi, but I remember feeling bad about him, I'll investigate that.
PPE : Right, that vote count was a mess, here's a fixed version :
A Drowned Kernel (5) : Hydrad, Hugovj, sudg, xxpittip, silverspawn
sudgy (3) : Teproc, A Drowned Kernel, Eevee
Hydrad (2) : Witherweaver, XerxesPraelor
Beyond Awesome (1) : chairs
Ichimaru Gin (1) : Beyond Awesome
Not Voting (2) : xxpittip, Ichimaru Gin
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And xxpittip is still listed twice... only Ichi is not voting actually.
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Boo, no, you're one of the few people I think is towny.
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Yeah, Ichi has been reasonably active but has very litte content. His only vote outside of RVS was a lurker vote on xxpittip, it's particularly notable to me that he didn't vote for anyone when he caught up recently.
He's been talking a lot about flavor, about claiming, not committing to a lot of reads, and I think I remember scum!Ichi playing much like that in Legend of Zelda.
I might like his lynch better than sudgy's actually. vote : Ichimaru Gin
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Boo, no, you're one of the few people I think is towny.
Well, convince me then.
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I wasn't in Legend of Zelda.
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I wasn't in Legend of Zelda.
Right. I dont' remember the name of the game, but the one you won by lislynching Andrew at lylo after I caught WW as the Goon Cop.
Stack the Deck rerun, that's what it was.
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I usually don't vote for that many people. Honestly your read on me is mystifying. I see no way or purpose to defend myself against such an argument. It makes me think you are scum.
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Is this fabricated just to get a reaction out of me?
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No... besides there's no need in crafting an argument to get a reaction on you, you always react the same way to anyone calling you scum.
I'm not sure what's so mystifying about my read though.
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Do you mean I always react the same way as town and scum?
I can understand this given my play in Stack the Deck. I didn't really get any suspicion in that game, which really helped me I think. This is gonna suck if my scumplay in that game ends up ruining my town meta.
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Do you mean I always react the same way as town and scum?
I can understand this given my play in Stack the Deck. I didn't really get any suspicion in that game, which really helped me I think. This is gonna suck if my scumplay in that game ends up ruining my town meta.
Yes, the better you do as scum the harder it is do convince people you're town. In Stack the Deck, I thought you were town most of the game because you were playing close to our town meta, so now it's a lot harder for me to see you as town if you're just doing the usual stuff.
As far as OMGUSing when people accuse you, that's a good question actually, I'll have to look that up. You definitely do it all the time as town.
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Off the top of my head, I remember accusing you in DWII (you were scum, you probably remember that but I'm noting it for other people) and getting a similar reaction.
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I could get behind a ADK lynch, he's been uncharacteristically sheepy this game, but I'd much rather lynch sudgy or Ichimaru. I don't quite have a case on Ichi, but I remember feeling bad about him, I'll investigate that.
PPE : Right, that vote count was a mess, here's a fixed version :
A Drowned Kernel (5) : Hydrad, Hugovj, sudg, xxpittip, silverspawn
sudgy (3) : Teproc, A Drowned Kernel, Eevee
Hydrad (2) : Witherweaver, XerxesPraelor
Beyond Awesome (1) : chairs
Ichimaru Gin (1) : Beyond Awesome
Not Voting (2) : xxpittip, Ichimaru Gin
I don't find Sheepy all that scummy, really, especially from ADK.
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Do you mean I always react the same way as town and scum?
I can understand this given my play in Stack the Deck. I didn't really get any suspicion in that game, which really helped me I think. This is gonna suck if my scumplay in that game ends up ruining my town meta.
The OMGUS is more of your overall meta rather than town or scum meta. Didn't we talk specifically about emulating it in Stack the Deck?
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I usually don't vote for that many people. Honestly your read on me is mystifying. I see no way or purpose to defend myself against such an argument. It makes me think you are scum.
Is it true you haven't placed a non RVS vote? I don't think that's a bad argument at all by Teproc.
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Do you mean I always react the same way as town and scum?
I can understand this given my play in Stack the Deck. I didn't really get any suspicion in that game, which really helped me I think. This is gonna suck if my scumplay in that game ends up ruining my town meta.
I think thats kinda normal. Like if I wanted I could have a almost perfect town meta if I just played and every time I was scum I would tell everyone. after a few games of this I would almost become a IC in games.
Now this is a super exaggerated example but generally the better your scum play the less trusting people will be if you are town.
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I usually don't vote for that many people. Honestly your read on me is mystifying. I see no way or purpose to defend myself against such an argument. It makes me think you are scum.
Is it true you haven't placed a non RVS vote? I don't think that's a bad argument at all by Teproc.
Technically he has, though it was a lurker vote on xxpittip.
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I'm not going to make the argument, "those are valid points, but I'm not scum". (but I actually will).
There's barely anything that's happened in this game. I haven't found any cases sufficiently compelling to get my vote--except sudgy perhaps. I haven't finished rereading either. And honestly, I haven't been paying that much attention to this game so far. Earlier, I was just responding to one or two recent posts asking me questions and stuff.
Apply the same rigor you do for my analyzing my votes to others and you will find that I am by no means the lowest in activity or content. I'm here, I'm doing my best to participate and that makes me more of a target than those on the extreme ends of lurking--who are more easily forgotten.
silver and Hydrad are my strongest townreads at this point. After skimming the thread I can see I missed some of the discussion surrounding XP--he looks relatively scummy to me. There really isn't anything for me to argue against. The facts you state are relatively true, it's just the conclusion you draw from them isn't.
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Just a point of clarification, I was saying I don't think it's good to make a wagon on me right from the get go. After a little bit (even the latter half of D1, say), I don't think it's as bad.
Also, I didn't vote ADK for jumping on my wagon, I did it because he had no reason.
Now, more recent stuff, I'm not seeing the Ichi case. I don't know his meta though, so people can convince me on that if they want to.
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I'm not going to make the argument, "those are valid points, but I'm not scum". (but I actually will).
There's barely anything that's happened in this game. I haven't found any cases sufficiently compelling to get my vote--except sudgy perhaps. I haven't finished rereading either. And honestly, I haven't been paying that much attention to this game so far. Earlier, I was just responding to one or two recent posts asking me questions and stuff.
Apply the same rigor you do for my analyzing my votes to others and you will find that I am by no means the lowest in activity or content. I'm here, I'm doing my best to participate and that makes me more of a target than those on the extreme ends of lurking--who are more easily forgotten.
silver and Hydrad are my strongest townreads at this point. After skimming the thread I can see I missed some of the discussion surrounding XP--he looks relatively scummy to me. There really isn't anything for me to argue against. The facts you state are relatively true, it's just the conclusion you draw from them isn't.
I'm not saying you're the person who has contributed the least (that would probably be xxpittip), I'm saying you're the scummiest player for having been active but having not contributed a lot up to this point. Basically acti-lurking, which i view as much scummier than actual lurking.
I mean let's do it, let's look at other players level of activity and wether or not they're scummy :
silverspawn : Active, lots of votes. Looks very townie to me.
chairs : Active, very sheepy. Hey, you're actually right on this, chairs does looks scummy to me now, I don't think he has a particularly sheepy meta.
Eevee : Lurking, which is what he does on D1.
XP : Not very active, but posted relevant stuff when he did.
sudgy : Very active
Hydrad : Interesting case in that he's mostly been defending himself and generally been playing defensively. It feels like town!Hydrad to me though, not entirely sure why.
Beyond Awesome : lurking, though he has now caught up
Witherweaver : Active
xxpittip : Lurking.
Hugovj : Lurking, but first to jump on ADK for his chairs vote (ie not sheepy).
A Drowned Kernel : Active
So really chairs is the only player that I could accuse of actilurking here, besides you. There are some lurkers, but their content to post ratio is generally higher, or they haven't been particularly sheepy.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5C1Bt4k-iA
Vote Count 1.4
sudgy (3): Teproc, A Drowned Kernel, Eevee
Hydrad (2): Witherweaver, XerxesPraelor
Beyond Awesome (1): chairs
Ichimaru Gin (1): Beyond Awesome
A Drowned Kernel (5): Hydrad, hugovj, sudgy, xxpititp, silverspawn
Not Voting (1): Ichimaru Gin
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. D1 ends Friday, November 28th at 10:30 PM.
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Actually Arch I'm voting for Ichi and chairs is only voting for BA.
Where did everyone go ?
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Actually Arch I'm voting for Ichi and chairs is only voting for BA.
Where did everyone go ?
I didn't count your vote because it was the incorrect syntax.
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Huh ? There's no space before the ":" ? I though ou always had a space before that normally but ok.
vote: Ichimaru
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Just FYI, I was extremely busy with Archeage over the weekend (our castle got sieged... by our alt guild) but I will be expecting to read over the weekend's posts today, probably at lunch.
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I got sick during this day. Hurray.
My thoughts will have to come later.
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Bump. Come on guys, we've had a good, productive day 1 so far, let's not let it die off.
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I have pretty much no motivation to post as of now. I'll just wait for something to happen, since my participation is apparently more scummy than lurking.
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I have pretty much no motivation to post as of now. I'll just wait for something to happen, since my participation is apparently more scummy than lurking.
Right, just choose to ignore m arguments and twist them in a way that makes it look as if I'm putting you in an impossible position, that's just great.
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This is seriously infuriating. It's basically equivalent to self-voting in level of trolling. Town!Ichi isn't that unhelpful.
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vote: ADK
THIS IS L-1.
I still don't particularly care for his "I like chairs' argument on sudgy" when I literally made none and just wrapped an empty vote in the sound of silence.
And for those of you who are missing my dope beats, don't worry, I'll bring more soon :)
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This is seriously infuriating. It's basically equivalent to self-voting in level of trolling. Town!Ichi isn't that unhelpful.
You're right that my comment was in poor taste, but this is the way I feel. Your further tunneling of me makes me even more sure that you are scum--or are trying some new playstyle.
Your arguments are fair--I have not had a lot of content this game. However, your conclusion that I am scum is incorrect. Town!me gets tunneled a lot, but that doesn't make it any less annoying.
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I'm no scum or trying some new playstyle, I'm just pushing the person who I feel is by far the most likel to flip scum. You have nothing to offer other than "stop tunneling me, you scummy scum !" and "well I'll just stop posting then".
If you're town, you have to see that you need to do more than that.
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I'm no scum or trying some new playstyle, I'm just pushing the person who I feel is by far the most likel to flip scum. You have nothing to offer other than "stop tunneling me, you scummy scum !" and "well I'll just stop posting then".
If you're town, you have to see that you need to do more than that.
I can agree that I haven't been the most helpful this game, but why I am the only one expected to churn out useful content? Why not pressure the lurkers instead? I understand the content/post count ratio, but I think total content is more important.
This is circular. You are now saying you find me scummy because all I am doing is defending myself against the argument that you think I'm scummy because?? I wasn't defending myself before you said I was scummy. I can't stand suspicion on me as town, it's probably the biggest part of my entire meta. If me making low-content posts makes you think I'm scum and there isn't really much to talk about since so many people are lurking, where does that leave me?
At the very least, this argument right now is somewhat productive. It's something happening, which is always good.
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Grr, the Internet eat my response.
Basically it's not circular logic : I think you're scum, and you're not doing anything to make me think you're town, which means my opinion isn't changing. But my initial opinion is here for a reason (decent activity but low content + sheeping).
Also, I'm finding it a little hard to believe that ADK is scum and that his partners are just letting this game srift into his lynch like that. Admittedly I have the benefit of knowing I'm not scum so this argument probably doesn't hold much water for you guys, but I'm not feeling as good about this lynch as I was earlier.
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vote: ADK
THIS IS L-1.
I still don't particularly care for his "I like chairs' argument on sudgy" when I literally made none and just wrapped an empty vote in the sound of silence.
And for those of you who are missing my dope beats, don't worry, I'll bring more soon :)
It's more "I like a wagon and want to see where it will lead."
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I agree on ADK--although I think scum may also not defend their partner and just hope his lynch doesn't go through. Stalling the game is an effective tactic.
Nearly all of his posts are very short, and I don't even recall the case on him. A quick reread of all his posts didn't reveal anything that looked overtly scummy to me either. ADK's thoughts on the sudgy wagon are good I think.
We need more participation from the lurkers though!
PPE: 1
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Here's a question.
Ichi, you keep saying I'm scummy. Why are you not voting ?
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Maybe "keep saying" is an overstatement, but you get my point.
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I have pretty much no motivation to post as of now. I'll just wait for something to happen, since my participation is apparently more scummy than lurking.
Sorry, I don't buy this as legitimate.
Vote: Ichi
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Because I am feeling less certain that you are scum. I've OMGUS-voted much in the past, but over time realized it's not the most effective way to catch scum. I've had my share of town vs. town fights, so have come to realize that those suspecting me can be town as well. (Yes, it was quite the revelation for me).
Honestly, I'm still mystified at your scum read on me--since I consider you one of the better people at reading me.
I almost feel like claiming now, although not sure that it would be terribly productive.
Obviously I didn't mean what I said that I wouldn't post. Really though, deep down you know I'm town and I just haven't had a lot of content so far. What has actually happened? The discussion surrounding song-claiming and a few weak wagons. I gave some strong opinions about song claiming and eventually changed my mind based upon what others said.
If my responses to these questions are just supporting your read on me, then I guess I give up. We all have to be mislynched sometime right? Although it peeves me because of course I'm responsible for my own mislynch, which harms town.
PPE: 1
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I agree on ADK--although I think scum may also not defend their partner and just hope his lynch doesn't go through. Stalling the game is an effective tactic.
Nearly all of his posts are very short, and I don't even recall the case on him. A quick reread of all his posts didn't reveal anything that looked overtly scummy to me either. ADK's thoughts on the sudgy wagon are good I think.
We need more participation from the lurkers though!
PPE: 1
Never mind, reading the rest of Ichi makes me want to
Unvote
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Vote: Beyond Awesome
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Ichi's latest seems very towny to me as far as defenses go. I don't agree with lynching ADK, whenever someone is universally suspected for something small, they are usually town. The stalling also implies scum likes the current game state. I still like lynching sudgy, I think his early play was very scummy and he hasn't done anything to convince me otherwise still.
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ADK, are you seriously still RVS voting me?
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I don't get the ADK wagon. Can someone please explain why you guys think ADK is scum? I think I have only played with him in Greater Idea which was the first game I ever played, and I had no idea what was going on? Someone brought up the argument that scum might try to defend him or stop him from getting lynched. The fact the game has stalled with ADK a vote away from a lynch is interesting. ADK has not posted much to make me think he's not scum. I mean, when you are so close to being lynched, you would try to defend yourself a bit if you were town, I think. I don't get it. This actually makes me think it very much is possible that ADK is scum.
Intent to hammer.
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Well even though I like a ADK lynch we still have till friday. So don't feel forced to lynch right now unless nothing seems to happen and this game keeps slowing down.
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I'd wager that you hammering right now would be a pretty scummy move. Better to wait. At least give him a chance to claim, right?
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vote: ADK
THIS IS L-1.
I still don't particularly care for his "I like chairs' argument on sudgy" when I literally made none and just wrapped an empty vote in the sound of silence.
And for those of you who are missing my dope beats, don't worry, I'll bring more soon :)
It's more "I like a wagon and want to see where it will lead."
The wagon has multiple legitimate reasons and you haven't done much to defend yourself. Why should we not vote for you?
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I'd wager that you hammering right now would be a pretty scummy move. Better to wait. At least give him a chance to claim, right?
Agreed, we have enough time to wait. No need to do anything too rushed.
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Actually. I take it back. I usually tend to support longer days being better for town and giving people chances, but this game has stalled a fair amount. It seems like people have been hitting scum D1 a lot more often. Town quickhammers could be a thing...
PPE 1: for sure. The existence of PR's means we should least give him a claiming chance. Unless ADK flips scum, hammering without a claim is bad, bad, bad.
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vote: ADK
THIS IS L-1.
I still don't particularly care for his "I like chairs' argument on sudgy" when I literally made none and just wrapped an empty vote in the sound of silence.
And for those of you who are missing my dope beats, don't worry, I'll bring more soon :)
It's more "I like a wagon and want to see where it will lead."
The wagon has multiple legitimate reasons and you haven't done much to defend yourself. Why should we not vote for you?
What exactly are those again?
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ADK, are you seriously still RVS voting me?
Other people are calling it RVS, not me.
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The wagon has multiple legitimate reasons and you haven't done much to defend yourself. Why should we not vote for you?
What exactly are those again?
Sudgy:
Eevee being quiet on day 1 is pretty normal, I don't think I've played with Beyond Awesome yet... maybe the Greater Idea Mafia ?
ADK, why did you change your mind on sudgy ?
chairs convinced me with the magic of poetry.
Vote: ADK We have plenty to go off of already, you need more than RVS reasons to vote.
chairs:
vote: ADK
THIS IS L-1.
I still don't particularly care for his "I like chairs' argument on sudgy" when I literally made none and just wrapped an empty vote in the sound of silence.
beyond awesome:
I don't get the ADK wagon. Can someone please explain why you guys think ADK is scum? I think I have only played with him in Greater Idea which was the first game I ever played, and I had no idea what was going on? Someone brought up the argument that scum might try to defend him or stop him from getting lynched. The fact the game has stalled with ADK a vote away from a lynch is interesting. ADK has not posted much to make me think he's not scum. I mean, when you are so close to being lynched, you would try to defend yourself a bit if you were town, I think. I don't get it. This actually makes me think it very much is possible that ADK is scum.
Intent to hammer.
pit:
chairs convinced me with the magic of poetry.
1. If this is a lie: That definitely looks like scum to me (why would town lie about their reasons to think someone is scummy?)
2. If this the truth: If someone (potential scum) can convince him so easily to follow his / her vote, scum could abuse this to get wagons on town people. (I think 2 is less likely since he is one of the more experienced players)
Vote: ADK
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The wagon has multiple legitimate reasons and you haven't done much to defend yourself. Why should we not vote for you?
What exactly are those again?
Sudgy:
Eevee being quiet on day 1 is pretty normal, I don't think I've played with Beyond Awesome yet... maybe the Greater Idea Mafia ?
ADK, why did you change your mind on sudgy ?
chairs convinced me with the magic of poetry.
Vote: ADK We have plenty to go off of already, you need more than RVS reasons to vote.
chairs:
vote: ADK
THIS IS L-1.
I still don't particularly care for his "I like chairs' argument on sudgy" when I literally made none and just wrapped an empty vote in the sound of silence.
beyond awesome:
I don't get the ADK wagon. Can someone please explain why you guys think ADK is scum? I think I have only played with him in Greater Idea which was the first game I ever played, and I had no idea what was going on? Someone brought up the argument that scum might try to defend him or stop him from getting lynched. The fact the game has stalled with ADK a vote away from a lynch is interesting. ADK has not posted much to make me think he's not scum. I mean, when you are so close to being lynched, you would try to defend yourself a bit if you were town, I think. I don't get it. This actually makes me think it very much is possible that ADK is scum.
Intent to hammer.
pit:
chairs convinced me with the magic of poetry.
1. If this is a lie: That definitely looks like scum to me (why would town lie about their reasons to think someone is scummy?)
2. If this the truth: If someone (potential scum) can convince him so easily to follow his / her vote, scum could abuse this to get wagons on town people. (I think 2 is less likely since he is one of the more experienced players)
Vote: ADK
So what it basically comes down to is that people don't like that I voted for sudgy and then was flippant about it. I don't have a lot to go on, since this game hasn't had much happening yet, and I haven't been as engaged as I have in other games. Which, to be fair, is on me. But it's certainly not a reason to lynch me, and I think that there's almost certainly scum on my wagon trying to push my lynch through. I'm getting a scummy vibe from sudgy and so I'm voting for him, I'm sorry I can't give you a more detailed analysis than that.
If people seriously want my claim then I'll give it, otherwise put your votes somewhere more sensible.
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I think that's a fair assessment of the case on you. You made a joke; I don't really find that scummy. I think people are making more out of it than it really is. That's why I'm not voting you, and I think we should look elsewhere for our lynch today.
Though I don't think I have the best record of reading you. I recall my second game, House of Cards where I mislynched Nik. I even remember which class I was waiting for when we lynched him. I remember, but I'm not voting for you now cause I think (fingers crossed) you're town.
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I mean, upon reading chairs's poem, my first instinct was "that's so awesome it deserves to be sheeped", so I definitely sympathize with ADK. The wagon seems to be making a mountain out of a molehill.
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It's noteworthy that the wagon was started and pushed by someone who was in trouble themselves, sudgy. That people find this better than him is very suspicions to me.
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I've been kind of demoralized, but since I only have this game now, I ought to be able to devote my whole attention to it. From gut, I think sudgy is a better lynch than ADK, but we really need info.
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Because I am feeling less certain that you are scum. I've OMGUS-voted much in the past, but over time realized it's not the most effective way to catch scum. I've had my share of town vs. town fights, so have come to realize that those suspecting me can be town as well. (Yes, it was quite the revelation for me).
Honestly, I'm still mystified at your scum read on me--since I consider you one of the better people at reading me.
I almost feel like claiming now, although not sure that it would be terribly productive.
Obviously I didn't mean what I said that I wouldn't post. Really though, deep down you know I'm town and I just haven't had a lot of content so far. What has actually happened? The discussion surrounding song-claiming and a few weak wagons. I gave some strong opinions about song claiming and eventually changed my mind based upon what others said.
If my responses to these questions are just supporting your read on me, then I guess I give up. We all have to be mislynched sometime right? Although it peeves me because of course I'm responsible for my own mislynch, which harms town.
PPE: 1
Theere we go, this is a townie sounding post.
vote: sudgy
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What happened to silver? Only 2 short posts in almost 5 days... I'm not sure if that's scummy or just weird
there's also a non-explicit policy to lynch all lurkers, so you should post more
We never seem to actually use that policy though.
we should though. I support lurker lynches.
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What happened to silver? Only 2 short posts in almost 5 days... I'm not sure if that's scummy or just weird
there's also a non-explicit policy to lynch all lurkers, so you should post more
We never seem to actually use that policy though.
we should though. I support lurker lynches.
Fish mafia just ended and I was super active there and scum; Guilds mafia just ended and I more or less refused to contribute there and was town. I'm not sure if being active now is the best thing to do, although I am town here.
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What happened to silver? Only 2 short posts in almost 5 days... I'm not sure if that's scummy or just weird
there's also a non-explicit policy to lynch all lurkers, so you should post more
We never seem to actually use that policy though.
we should though. I support lurker lynches.
Fish mafia just ended and I was super active there and scum; Guilds mafia just ended and I more or less refused to contribute there and was town. I'm not sure if being active now is the best thing to do, although I am town here.
Such self-conscious analysis of your meta shows us that you're deliberating over how your play style should be. For you, that's a null tell, though in a vacuum I'd say it's a scummy thing. You really need to spend a lot more time thinking about the best way to play and appear when you're scum. When you're town, all you have to do is figure out who is scum. Plus, your town behavior in the past is kind of setting you up for a defense like this for your scum games.
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I like what Eevee is saying. I like what Teproc is doing. ADK is probably not a great lynch choice. Being flippant about voting is not a scummy thing; it's scum that feels the pressure to justify every vote or opinion, not town.
My preference would be someone primarily hanging back.. BA (hey I'm voting for him), Silver, hugo.. Eevee is lurky.. Chairs' activity seemed to drop after he sparked up some action... Hydrad looks a bit under the radar after the wagon lost steam.
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What happened to silver? Only 2 short posts in almost 5 days... I'm not sure if that's scummy or just weird
there's also a non-explicit policy to lynch all lurkers, so you should post more
We never seem to actually use that policy though.
we should though. I support lurker lynches.
Fish mafia just ended and I was super active there and scum; Guilds mafia just ended and I more or less refused to contribute there and was town. I'm not sure if being active now is the best thing to do, although I am town here.
Such self-conscious analysis of your meta shows us that you're deliberating over how your play style should be. For you, that's a null tell, though in a vacuum I'd say it's a scummy thing. You really need to spend a lot more time thinking about the best way to play and appear when you're scum. When you're town, all you have to do is figure out who is scum. Plus, your town behavior in the past is kind of setting you up for a defense like this for your scum games.
Thanks for the advice, I will not take it in consideration.
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It's not really advice.
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You really need to spend a lot more time thinking about the best way to play and appear when you're scum. When you're town, all you have to do is figure out who is scum.
it really sounds a lot like it
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I think that's a fair assessment of the case on you. You made a joke; I don't really find that scummy. I think people are making more out of it than it really is. That's why I'm not voting you, and I think we should look elsewhere for our lynch today.
Though I don't think I have the best record of reading you. I recall my second game, House of Cards where I mislynched Nik. I even remember which class I was waiting for when we lynched him. I remember, but I'm not voting for you now cause I think (fingers crossed) you're town.
I don't know if you remember this, but if it's any consolation the only reason I wasn't lynched in that game was that Shraeye decided not to counter my fake cop claim.
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I guess it's not advice if "you" didn't mean "me" here.
But anyway, I know it's silly to just say "hey look being active is a scum tell for me so I will be lurking this game, GIF ME IC STATUS NOW", so I won't do that. Right now I find ADK scummy so I'll probably reread him. But not now.
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You really need to spend a lot more time thinking about the best way to play and appear when you're scum. When you're town, all you have to do is figure out who is scum.
it really sounds a lot like it
Oh, I see. I meant a generic "you". As in, "this is the mindset a scum/town player has to be in".
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I feel like we are walking around in circles walk around in circles walk around in..
Anyway I think scum is happy seeing us spin right round baby right round on these wagons
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I feel like we are walking around in circles walk around in circles walk around in..
Anyway I think scum is happy seeing us spin right round baby right round on these wagons
what makes you think sudgy isn't scum?
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What happened to silver? Only 2 short posts in almost 5 days... I'm not sure if that's scummy or just weird
there's also a non-explicit policy to lynch all lurkers, so you should post more
We never seem to actually use that policy though.
we should though. I support lurker lynches.
Fish mafia just ended and I was super active there and scum; Guilds mafia just ended and I more or less refused to contribute there and was town. I'm not sure if being active now is the best thing to do, although I am town here.
I find intentionally muddying up your playstyle very anti-town. How am I supposed to realize you are town if you are deliberately trying to appear towny? That's what scum does!
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I feel like we are walking around in circles walk around in circles walk around in..
Anyway I think scum is happy seeing us spin right round baby right round on these wagons
what makes you think sudgy isn't scum?
Nothing right now has sold me either way.
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I feel like we are walking around in circles walk around in circles walk around in..
Anyway I think scum is happy seeing us spin right round baby right round on these wagons
what makes you think sudgy isn't scum?
Nothing right now has sold me either way.
are you one of the scum happy watching us spin round round round?
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I feel like we are walking around in circles walk around in circles walk around in..
Anyway I think scum is happy seeing us spin right round baby right round on these wagons
what makes you think sudgy isn't scum?
Nothing right now has sold me either way.
are you one of the scum happy watching us spin round round round?
No.
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I find intentionally muddying up your playstyle very anti-town. How am I supposed to realize you are town if you are deliberately trying to appear towny? That's what scum does!
aww, I like you too.
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What I'm saying is, town needs to be genuine for other town to be able to read and trust them. Intentionally lurking to appear towny is not genuine.
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What I'm saying is, town needs to be genuine for other town to be able to read and trust them. Intentionally lurking to appear towny is not genuine.
I disagree with that first part. Being town is not just saying whatever goes through our mind because that's being honest. As town you need to think about how your posts are gong to be perceived, because you should be trying not to get mislynched.
Now intentionally lurking is just bad bad bad because lurking is very anti-town, but trying to appear townie is good.
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What I'm saying is, town needs to be genuine for other town to be able to read and trust them. Intentionally lurking to appear towny is not genuine.
I know what you meant, but I decided not to take it seriously, because if I did, it would mean that I can't play mafia without being anti-town. It is impossible for me not to think about my playstyle when playing mafia, no matter if I'm town or scum.
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You can of course think about it, but intentionally doing antitown things you think others will perceive towny is not going to help you score town points (from
me, anyways).
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I think that's a fair assessment of the case on you. You made a joke; I don't really find that scummy. I think people are making more out of it than it really is. That's why I'm not voting you, and I think we should look elsewhere for our lynch today.
Though I don't think I have the best record of reading you. I recall my second game, House of Cards where I mislynched Nik. I even remember which class I was waiting for when we lynched him. I remember, but I'm not voting for you now cause I think (fingers crossed) you're town.
I don't know if you remember this, but if it's any consolation the only reason I wasn't lynched in that game was that Shraeye decided not to counter my fake cop claim.
I forgot that detail ;D
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Ah, yes, this game, it existed too.
Sorry for the lurking. I notice I really have some trouble saying interesting things here. Especially with more players, it's also more information to process.
I feel like we've had a good day, discussion-wise. I do feel it's dieing a bit down now.
I don't know whether I agree with the way Chairs' has 'gathered' information by posting an empty vote, and ADK sheeping him. I must say I found the reaction very suspicious, but still. It does seem like something someone town would come up with.
I must say I do find the way some people base their arguments of other people there style. I know this can be useful, but still, it's really confusing for me to read: Ichi is very suspicious, because he played like this in Zelda mafia, or whatever. I haven't read all games, nor do I plan to do so. I think there should be enough to base your case on besides these previous experiences. What is so scummy about that game, etc.
I still like my vote where it stands, so I'll keep it there.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlYihXTm7zU
Vote Count 1.5
sudgy (3): A Drowned Kernel, Eevee, Teproc
Hydrad (1): XerxesPraelor
Beyond Awesome (1): Witherweaver
Ichimaru Gin (1): Beyond Awesome
A Drowned Kernel (6): Hydrad, hugovj, sudgy, xxpititp, silverspawn, chairs
Not Voting (1): Ichimaru Gin
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. D1 ends Friday, November 28th at 10:30 PM.
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I understand how meta arguments can be annoying because you're new to the community, but the really are the best kind of arguments on day 1. After day 1, you have actually concrete data (aka flips + possibly claims) but before that, anything goes.
More specifically, you can never say that "something is scummy" in a vacuum. I mean you can, especially if you're talking about someone you haven't played with, but if I were to make a case on silverspawn for being self-aware for example, that wouldn't make sense because that's just how he plays. The reverse is true though : if you notice a pattern in the way someone plays as scum, that's a valid reason to vote. For example there was a time where Robz would lurk on day 1 as town and be active as scum : so voting for Robz on day 1 because he was active was a very valid reason.
Again, later days are a different matter because you have hard data, but on day 1 meta arguments are actually one of the better ways to catch scum, if only by PoE (eg : Hydrad is playing to his town meta here so I don't want to lynch him, same for Eevee or silverspawn).
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I understand how meta arguments can be annoying because you're new to the community, but the really are the best kind of arguments on day 1. After day 1, you have actually concrete data (aka flips + possibly claims) but before that, anything goes.
More specifically, you can never say that "something is scummy" in a vacuum. I mean you can, especially if you're talking about someone you haven't played with, but if I were to make a case on silverspawn for being self-aware for example, that wouldn't make sense because that's just how he plays. The reverse is true though : if you notice a pattern in the way someone plays as scum, that's a valid reason to vote. For example there was a time where Robz would lurk on day 1 as town and be active as scum : so voting for Robz on day 1 because he was active was a very valid reason.
Again, later days are a different matter because you have hard data, but on day 1 meta arguments are actually one of the better ways to catch scum, if only by PoE (eg : Hydrad is playing to his town meta here so I don't want to lynch him, same for Eevee or silverspawn).
A more fun example is ashersky not self-voting on D1 is a scumtell.
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Hmm my view on sudgy is I would lynch him above most people but not above ADK. Right now I still see ADK as the scummiest but sudgy is top 3 I would say.
Just wondering though is most peoples view on him being scummy because he suggested the song claim?
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I don't really think that's scummy. The discussion was bound to come up anyway--so why would scum be the first to bring it up? I was originally in favor of claiming, but later changed my mind--and didn't get any heat for it.
Honestly, I'm not even really sure what the case on ADK is. Is there even a post summarizing it?
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The wagon has multiple legitimate reasons and you haven't done much to defend yourself. Why should we not vote for you?
What exactly are those again?
Sudgy:
Eevee being quiet on day 1 is pretty normal, I don't think I've played with Beyond Awesome yet... maybe the Greater Idea Mafia ?
ADK, why did you change your mind on sudgy ?
chairs convinced me with the magic of poetry.
Vote: ADK We have plenty to go off of already, you need more than RVS reasons to vote.
chairs:
vote: ADK
THIS IS L-1.
I still don't particularly care for his "I like chairs' argument on sudgy" when I literally made none and just wrapped an empty vote in the sound of silence.
beyond awesome:
I don't get the ADK wagon. Can someone please explain why you guys think ADK is scum? I think I have only played with him in Greater Idea which was the first game I ever played, and I had no idea what was going on? Someone brought up the argument that scum might try to defend him or stop him from getting lynched. The fact the game has stalled with ADK a vote away from a lynch is interesting. ADK has not posted much to make me think he's not scum. I mean, when you are so close to being lynched, you would try to defend yourself a bit if you were town, I think. I don't get it. This actually makes me think it very much is possible that ADK is scum.
Intent to hammer.
pit:
chairs convinced me with the magic of poetry.
1. If this is a lie: That definitely looks like scum to me (why would town lie about their reasons to think someone is scummy?)
2. If this the truth: If someone (potential scum) can convince him so easily to follow his / her vote, scum could abuse this to get wagons on town people. (I think 2 is less likely since he is one of the more experienced players)
Vote: ADK
Yes. pit posted this earlier.
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I don't really think that's scummy. The discussion was bound to come up anyway--so why would scum be the first to bring it up? I was originally in favor of claiming, but later changed my mind--and didn't get any heat for it.
Honestly, I'm not even really sure what the case on ADK is. Is there even a post summarizing it?
Theory/setup stuff is generally the easiest thing to talk about. Scum may want to avoid bringing up a plan that could be anti-town, but then again they may do it for the WIFOM of that.
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Hmm my view on sudgy is I would lynch him above most people but not above ADK. Right now I still see ADK as the scummiest but sudgy is top 3 I would say.
Just wondering though is most peoples view on him being scummy because he suggested the song claim?
ADK is scummy.. why?
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Because I made a joke, basically.
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I don't get the ADK wagon. Can someone please explain why you guys think ADK is scum? I think I have only played with him in Greater Idea which was the first game I ever played, and I had no idea what was going on? Someone brought up the argument that scum might try to defend him or stop him from getting lynched. The fact the game has stalled with ADK a vote away from a lynch is interesting. ADK has not posted much to make me think he's not scum. I mean, when you are so close to being lynched, you would try to defend yourself a bit if you were town, I think. I don't get it. This actually makes me think it very much is possible that ADK is scum.
Intent to hammer.
This rambling post does give me a town read on BA, as much as I want to OMGUS him.
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Hmm my view on sudgy is I would lynch him above most people but not above ADK. Right now I still see ADK as the scummiest but sudgy is top 3 I would say.
Just wondering though is most peoples view on him being scummy because he suggested the song claim?
ADK is scummy.. why?
Well one good thing about wagons on me is it gives me lots of info and see if there is scum on my wagon or not.
Honestly I think there might be and I think its ADK.
He started out jumping on pit and when I opposed it jumped on me without a reason. This looks like a kinda jokey vote from my eyes at first but its also a test to see if anyone will follow.
When the wagon starts getting attention he then gives a reason to make it seem like it was a serious vote and that he wasn't searching for a wagon to catch on.
Thats how it looks like from my eyes so I'm going to
Vote: ADK
basically I felt like his vote on me was the scummiest one. And also don't like his voting history
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Is anyone out there?
Guess I'd better vote.
vote: the lurkers who are stalling this game
C'mon guys. Deadline is in like two days.
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Still okay with my vote.
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I'd be willing to hammer whoever's at L-1.
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I'd be willing to hammer whoever's at L-1.
That's just great, thank you for being so deeply invested in this game XP.
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I prefer Sudgy over ADK.
Vote: Sudgy
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I prefer Sudgy over ADK.
Vote: Sudgy
Same. vote: sudgy for reasons I've previously outlined.
I believe this is L-2.
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If you guys want to lynch me, make sure you get ready before deadline happens so you can lynch someone else.
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Okay, ADK
suggests song claiming with the first post in the game (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12052.msg440438#msg440438), but then backs off (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12052.msg440443#msg440443) one post later.
On the one hand that's scummy; on the other hand, why would scum post itself into a corner like that. Towns make more mistakes, don't they?
vote: sudgy for the aforementioned soft attempt to root out PRs.
vote: chairs while I don't think I like any claiming plan, I don't think sudgy's scummy for suggesting it.
Explaining votes is scummy. Plus, you suggested it first.
seems a little bit unsecure (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12052.msg440581#msg440581) when I criticize him. Aren't you a vet and I'm a noobie? Why the lack of confidence?
Then follow a bunch of votes for reasons.
explains his vote with "I wanted to get the game going" puff puff (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12052.msg441609#msg441609). That's bad, right?
Says we need a real wagon when he is at L-1 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12052.msg442062#msg442062). That's same confidence. But it's kinda too late.
So what it basically comes down to is that people don't like that I voted for sudgy and then was flippant about it. I don't have a lot to go on, since this game hasn't had much happening yet, and I haven't been as engaged as I have in other games. Which, to be fair, is on me. But it's certainly not a reason to lynch me, and I think that there's almost certainly scum on my wagon trying to push my lynch through. I'm getting a scummy vibe from sudgy and so I'm voting for him, I'm sorry I can't give you a more detailed analysis than that.
If people seriously want my claim then I'll give it, otherwise put your votes somewhere more sensible.
the problem here is that I see ADK as a confident town, and not as a player who feels pressured to explain all of his votes. I'm looking at fish mafia, and I see another player. Also he votes much less there.
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The thing that is better about the sudgy wagon is that it needed more time to go somewhere. But it's possible that many of the people voting for ADK didn't think it would amount to this much.
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And sudgy, well he has all this talk about how sudgy wagons are basically anti town which is not a very good argument, but it's not a very good argument for either alignment.
I kinda feel like scum could easily be someone who has been completely overlooked this entire game.
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Skimmed over Hugovj, he's lurky but not scummy at all. He says he has been sick, I see no reason not to believe that. Bad choice. Maybe someone else? WW?
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WW is better, but not great either. Kinda blending in, but not really trying to. Reasonable number of votes. But I've never seen scum!WW (even though I heard he used to be scum all the time).
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Let's see
2. chairs: oh, he was the guy with the poems, right? scum points for those. look at this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhyme-as-reason_effect)
3 - 6 Ichimaru Gin, Eevee, Teproc, XerxesPraelor: uh, null?
7. sudgy: oh he also pre-emtively claimed that his song was not closely related to his role. at least slightly scummy here.
9. Beyond Awesome: eh, I know nothing about his meta.
10. Witherweaver: null to slight slight scum
11. xxpittip: I can't lynch him twice on his first day. That's a policy argument, but yeah.
12. Hugovj - towny.
13. A Drowned Kernel - scummy.
so my vote on ADK is fine. I'm usually not so much with mainstream, but well sometimes people have to be right too.
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If you guys want to lynch me, make sure you get ready before deadline happens so you can lynch someone else.
Hate softclaims. How does this help town, other than scaring people away from
voting you?
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Let's see
2. chairs: oh, he was the guy with the poems, right? scum points for those. look at this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhyme-as-reason_effect)
3 - 6 Ichimaru Gin, Eevee, Teproc, XerxesPraelor: uh, null?
7. sudgy: oh he also pre-emtively claimed that his song was not closely related to his role. at least slightly scummy here.
9. Beyond Awesome: eh, I know nothing about his meta.
10. Witherweaver: null to slight slight scum
11. xxpittip: I can't lynch him twice on his first day. That's a policy argument, but yeah.
12. Hugovj - towny.
13. A Drowned Kernel - scummy.
so my vote on ADK is fine. I'm usually not so much with mainstream, but well sometimes people have to be right too.
I feel like your counting abilities need work :D
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If you guys want to lynch me, make sure you get ready before deadline happens so you can lynch someone else.
vote: sudgy
vote: sudgy
vote: sudgy
vote: sudgy
This is the second time this game that sudg has tried to intimidate us into not lynching him. He's a an experienced player, he knows that softclaiming like that is awful, awful for town, because if he really is a PR, he won't live to see D2. I understand there's WIFOM because doctors and stuff, but this is a closed setup, this is not a risk townPR!sudgy takes.
The way I see it, sudgy is planning to claim some kind of PR at L-1 and knows that people will panic because that's what people do.
First of all sudgy, at this point you should claim. As you pointed out, the closer to deadline you claim the more dangerous it gets for town, and you've already outed yourself as a PR (or tried to anyway) so might as well let us evaluate your claim now. Most likely though, I think we should lynch you through that claim, because I don't see you being this anti-town unintentionally.
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yeah, the soft claiming was not good.
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Yeah, while being too comfortable about not getting lynched fits a pr narrative somewhat, I really hate the intimidation tactics.
I agree he should claim, but unless it's something verifiable I also think we should lynch him.
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How much do you think we can lose if he claims though. I'm a bit scared to force him to claim as sometimes its better for him to just say hes a PR and claim tomorrow?
I know I tried this same tactic when I was a 1shot BP in fish and tried to PR claim and hope scum would shoot me but ended up having to claim and it hurting town.
Is it better if he just claims PR/no PR but doesn't say what he is? Or can scum take advantage of that.
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How much do you think we can lose if he claims though. I'm a bit scared to force him to claim as sometimes its better for him to just say hes a PR and claim tomorrow?
I know I tried this same tactic when I was a 1shot BP in fish and tried to PR claim and hope scum would shoot me but ended up having to claim and it hurting town.
Is it better if he just claims PR/no PR but doesn't say what he is? Or can scum take advantage of that.
In your case claiming was bad for town because a) it was one of the few roles that didn't make you an IC anyway and b) it was the only role that made you a worse target for scum as supposed to a good one. a) doesn't apply for closed setups and b) is very unlikely. it's not very useful to draw any sort of general conclusion from one case.
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And yeah, scum can abuse claimed!PR!sudgy by shooting him. Though it's probaly smarter for them to keep him alive, one because of the threat of a doctor and two because we might mislynch him tomorrow.
I'm not horribly opposed to a day1 lynch though. In that case he needs to fullclaim first.
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I'm only here for a moment but let's lynch sudgy. Everyone switch your votes. Do it now.
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currently on the sudgy wagon: ADK, WW, Teproc, IG, Eevee. L-2
I don't think I want to just lynch him, but i'll
vote: sudgy
and say he should full-claim. Do not hammer until sudgy has a chance to claim.
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I'm only here for a moment but let's lynch sudgy. Everyone switch your votes. Do it now.
As silver said, let's make him claim. Then let's lynch him (most likely).
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deadline is in 24 hours + 10 minutes
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Seems like ADK will survive for now. I don't think i can convince enough people without any further information...
Vote: Sudgy
L-1 !
Btw we should think about lynching Xerxes soon. He could be trying to get us to ignore him, while he is actually scum and even if he is town he is not really helpful.
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Wait, was that a derphammer ?
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Yep, just checked and that was a hammer.
xxpittip, did you seriously not see that silverspawn announced L-1 when he voted ?
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I guess he didn't quiet say "L-1" but still.
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Yep, just checked and that was a hammer.
xxpittip, did you seriously not see that silverspawn announced L-1 when he voted ?
He wrote L-2... I didn't see that that was excluding his own vote :/ I'm really sorry, if i just lynched any PR / town
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I mean I think there's a good chance sudgy flip scum so there's that but please, please be careful in the future. I think I would have wanted to lynch sudgy through most PR claims anway, but some would have been verifiably enough to grant him one day.
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Come on Arch, you were online 39 minutes ago !
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30*
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Congratulations on lynching a JoaT.
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currently on the sudgy wagon: ADK, WW, Teproc, IG, Eevee. L-2
I don't think I want to just lynch him, but i'll
vote: sudgy
and say he should full-claim. Do not hammer until sudgy has a chance to claim.
come on, this post is not misleading. I said it's L-2 now and then put him at L-1. And I even said "do not hammer".
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look at these stats though
pit games: 2
games that include derphammers: 2/2
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If you guys want to lynch me, make sure you get ready before deadline happens so you can lynch someone else.
vote: sudgy
vote: sudgy
vote: sudgy
vote: sudgy
This is the second time this game that sudg has tried to intimidate us into not lynching him. He's a an experienced player, he knows that softclaiming like that is awful, awful for town, because if he really is a PR, he won't live to see D2. I understand there's WIFOM because doctors and stuff, but this is a closed setup, this is not a risk townPR!sudgy takes.
The way I see it, sudgy is planning to claim some kind of PR at L-1 and knows that people will panic because that's what people do.
First of all sudgy, at this point you should claim. As you pointed out, the closer to deadline you claim the more dangerous it gets for town, and you've already outed yourself as a PR (or tried to anyway) so might as well let us evaluate your claim now. Most likely though, I think we should lynch you through that claim, because I don't see you being this anti-town unintentionally.
So this.
...And sudgy's already been hammered. I feel pretty ok about this.
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yeah, it's by far not as bad as in fish mafia. even if sudgy is really a JOAT, i doubt we would have let him live because of that claim. Scum can pretty much claim anything here.
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well it's worse than fish mafia because I was scum there, but it's not as bad for town
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any last words sudgy besides the "bah" post? any reads? which person should we focus on day 2?
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yeah, it's by far not as bad as in fish mafia. even if sudgy is really a JOAT, i doubt we would have let him live because of that claim. Scum can pretty much claim anything here.
Exactly. From the second he started hinting about him being a PR, it just cemented my read on him. I just hope he actually flips scum here. Regardless, the amount of attention his play attracted to himself just seems strange. Why would he do this as either alignment?
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he went afk. I hope that means his scum equity increases.
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I guess. I hope. JOAT is traditionally a scum role too.
silver, did you xxpittip also derphammered in another game ? Or just that a derphammer happened in his other game, but not by him ?
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mafia joat would be incredible. flip please!
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The thing that is better about the sudgy wagon is that it needed more time to go somewhere. But it's possible that many of the people voting for ADK didn't think it would amount to this much.
What do you mean by this?
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Okay, well, I guess Sudgy was derphammered.
What was the fallout of the derphammer in Fish Mafia?
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I wanted to hammer. :(
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At least we'll now have information.
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I guess. I hope. JOAT is traditionally a scum role too.
silver, did you xxpittip also derphammered in another game ? Or just that a derphammer happened in his other game, but not by him ?
someone else did
The thing that is better about the sudgy wagon is that it needed more time to go somewhere. But it's possible that many of the people voting for ADK didn't think it would amount to this much.
What do you mean by this?
well maybe scum thought they could buss without actually going somewhere, because he was not going to be hammered anyway. That's what I was trying to say with the quote, anyway.
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I guess. I hope. JOAT is traditionally a scum role too.
silver, did you xxpittip also derphammered in another game ? Or just that a derphammer happened in his other game, but not by him ?
someone else did
The thing that is better about the sudgy wagon is that it needed more time to go somewhere. But it's possible that many of the people voting for ADK didn't think it would amount to this much.
What do you mean by this?
well maybe scum thought they could buss without actually going somewhere, because he was not going to be hammered anyway. That's what I was trying to say with the quote, anyway.
If that's the case it would be someone early on the ADK wagon, like 1-3.
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Which were Hydrad, Hugo, Sudgy.
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Thread Locked
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Vote Count 1.FINAL
sudgy (7): A Drowned Kernel, Eevee, Teproc, Witherweaver, Ichimaru Gin, silverspawn, xxpittip
Hydrad (1): XerxesPraelor
Ichimaru Gin (1): Beyond Awesome
A Drowned Kernel (4): Hydrad, hugovj, sudgy, chairs
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. D1 ends Friday, November 28th at 10:30 PM.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=F2gFEO19NJ0
Sudgy, who was Brass Goggles by Steam Powered Giraffe the Town JOAT has been lynched!
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N1 start! Deadline has been extended for Thanksgiving weekend. Please get your actions in and check in with me ASAP.
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Night 1 deadline will be November 30th at 2am. Make sure you get all night actions in and check in with me. If you don't, you run the risk of replacement.
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Overnight, silverspawn was crushed by an orchestra. It sounded pretty, but some screams could be heard amongst the chorus.
Silverspawn, who was Painters of the Tempest by Ne Oblivicaris the Town Backup has been killed!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=OTiX-xAgBi8
Day 2 start!
Not Voting (11): xxpittip, Witherweaver, Hugovj, chairs, Eevee, Beyond Awesome, Ichimaru Gin, Teproc, A Drowned Kernel, Hydrad, XerxesPraelor
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, December 10th at 10 PM.
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Thread Unlocked!
(Will be back at a desktop computer on Sunday and will update yesterday's vote count then. I apologize for the delay!)
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I made a resolution to listen to every single song, since I'll be so excited when I die and my song gets to play.
This is a wonderful song for silver's eulogy.
I don't think I've seen the role in a game before, but checking the wiki, it seems he would have inherited the powers of a town PR if they were to die. I'm guessing he was a universal backup here. So not the worst loss, but I think scum would be in a worse situation if they killed another PR and then they might not know that silver would inherit the role.
We should definitely take a look at silver's reads. Although I guess his death could also be PR hunting. I'm not normally one to catch those hints, so did anyone else notice anything?
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Reread of silver post-flip. Picking out posts I think are the most important.
#94 comes out strongly against song claiming. Kinda makes sense since we know he was a PR now. I don't exactly see how his song is connected to his role though.
#304 puts ADK to L-1
#381 fights with WW over his meta and playstyle
#414 His case on ADK. Says he could possibly see him as confident town.
#419 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12052.msg443312#msg443312) His reads list. Probably one of his most important posts. Has ADK as the scummiest.
#429 Votes sudgy, but says he doesn't really want to lynch him
So overall, not a ton that I managed to pull out. Assuming scum lynched him because of his reads, I think that scum!ADK is by far the most likely given the pressure that silver put on him. I also think that if silver were alive now, he would definitely feel scummy on ADK.
At the same time, I think ADK is also usually an easy mislynch. Likewise, it makes it difficult when someone has such a meta, because I think it can assist them when they are scum, since they are mislynched so often. I'm not ready to vote ADK yet, but I'm considering it.
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*assuming scum shot him because of his reads.
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Reread of silver post-flip. Picking out posts I think are the most important.
#94 comes out strongly against song claiming. Kinda makes sense since we know he was a PR now. I don't exactly see how his song is connected to his role though.
#304 puts ADK to L-1
#381 fights with WW over his meta and playstyle
#414 His case on ADK. Says he could possibly see him as confident town.
#419 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12052.msg443312#msg443312) His reads list. Probably one of his most important posts. Has ADK as the scummiest.
#429 Votes sudgy, but says he doesn't really want to lynch him
So overall, not a ton that I managed to pull out. Assuming scum lynched him because of his reads, I think that scum!ADK is by far the most likely given the pressure that silver put on him. I also think that if silver were alive now, he would definitely feel scummy on ADK.
At the same time, I think ADK is also usually an easy mislynch. Likewise, it makes it difficult when someone has such a meta, because I think it can assist them when they are scum, since they are mislynched so often. I'm not ready to vote ADK yet, but I'm considering it.
Vote: ADK still my #1 scum
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vote: adk
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Nope, still wrong.
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I think I do like vote: Ichi for "ADK is scummy but I"m not going to vote for him."
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I think I do like vote: Ichi for "ADK is scummy but I"m not going to vote for him."
You know this is a bad vote. I don't see town!ADK doing this at all.
vote: ADK
I'm coming to realize that quick wagons aren't always perpetuated by scum. Sometimes, people are just scummy and they flip scum.
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Why is this a bad vote?
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I should have hammered when I could.
vote: ADK
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Why is this a bad vote?
Look. I made a case on you and explicitly stated that I was going to wait to vote for you. There is a world of difference between that and what you paint me as doing. That's why your vote is bad.
PPE: 1
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L-1 I think
PPE: Sounds right
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Why is this a bad vote?
Look. I made a case on you and explicitly stated that I was going to wait to vote for you. There is a world of difference between that and what you paint me as doing. That's why your vote is bad.
PPE: 1
Why did you want to wait to vote for ADK?
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I plan to play reasonable this game btw
back to vote: WW for voting for Eevee
"I plan to play reasonably"
votes three times in three posts
throwing votes around in the beginning of a game is totally nothing special/impactful/unreasonable. I'm talking about stuff like early claims, refusing to contribute, self votes, etc
This is an early reference to his own play style. Given that he did the VT/PR thing last game, scum could have read into a PR from this.
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I'm at L-1 already, awesome.
@WW: I don't think that Silver being the NK has much to do with him having a PR, I'm getting the impression that most players have some sort of a PR here. It probably has either to do with his reads or mafia thinking he was unlikely to be protected.
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Why is this a bad vote?
Look. I made a case on you and explicitly stated that I was going to wait to vote for you. There is a world of difference between that and what you paint me as doing. That's why your vote is bad.
PPE: 1
Why did you want to wait to vote for ADK?
Reasons.
I'm at L-1 already, awesome.
@WW: I don't think that Silver being the NK has much to do with him having a PR, I'm getting the impression that most players have some sort of a PR here. It probably has either to do with his reads or mafia thinking he was unlikely to be protected.
This sounds like frustrated scum to me. I'm not sure why he wouldn't be targeted for protection compared to others though.
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Yeah, no one stuck out to me as quite obviously town.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp5YWm5VHwQ
Vote Count 2.1
A Drowned Kernel (4): xxpittip, chairs, Ichimaru Gin, XerxesPraelor
Ichimaru Gin (1): A Drowned Kernel
Not Voting (4): Teproc, Witherweaver, Hugovj, Eevee
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, December 10th at 10 PM.
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I was surprised at how eagerly everyone voted for ADK and I'm
still surprised today.
Of course I was wrong about sudgy. I know you are reading this, sorry buddy!
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I'm at L-1 already, awesome.
@WW: I don't think that Silver being the NK has much to do with him having a PR, I'm getting the impression that most players have some sort of a PR here. It probably has either to do with his reads or mafia thinking he was unlikely to be protected.
This sounds like frustrated scum to me. I'm not sure why he wouldn't be targeted for protection compared to others though.
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Don't give me that, how often have you been frustrated as town by people jumping on you?
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That's fair. Although it is probably the #1 most recognizable part of my meta. Darn it, I can see where you're coming from if you're town. I really do think you get mislynched a lot too. No one's mentioned it so far, but scum can kill to make exactly this sort of kill for the WIFOM.
You weren't silver's only scumread either...
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That was oddly phrased.
What I mean is that scum can make a kill because they can guess pretty well the conclusions that town will come to--which can help them mislynch someone.
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That was oddly phrased.
What I mean is that scum can make a kill because they can guess pretty well the conclusions that town will come to--which can help them mislynch someone.
I had written up something on this, but then my computer crashed. Basically, in my experience this type of WIFOM-guessing is the last thing to influence night kills. I would say night-kill choice is dominated by:
1) PR
2) Consensus town read/mislynch potential
3) Target's likelihood to vote for scum
4) WIFOM on (2) or (3)
The probelm with (4) is that it relies on town thinking a certain way.. and they might, or they might not, or they might and then take it one step further. I tried (4) once in MU, where I killed ADK who had given a strong scum read on Andrew right before the day ended. It ended up not working at all.. Andrew actually jumped on me immediately using the same argument (I was ADK's top scum read early on Day 1). This could have been used to argue against Andrew (claiming he was trying to frame me), but I couldn't really drive the argument, as I would look scummy. (Ironically, there was still a big argument between us on somewhat different issues, though likely as a partial consequence of him voting for me.) In the end, Andrew didn't get lynched and I got shot by SK the next night~
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In a PR-heavy setup like this, I'd say that above your 1) is making sure that the kill goes through at all, i.e. not targeting someone likely to be protected.
Also, why is it so quiet today? Where is everyone?
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Just got back from V/LA and ADK is already at L-1, what ?
Will catch up/give thoughts later today.
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Probably just the usual weekend lull. What I'm more worried about is that ADK is the only player talked about.
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PERHAPS WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT EEVEE AND HIS AVATAR'S SLY WINK
j/k I don't think there's really anything to talk about right now other than ADK. If you have an opinion otherwise you should be voicing it.
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j/k I don't think there's really anything to talk about right now other than ADK. If you have an opinion otherwise you should be voicing it.
That's insane. There's at least a mislynch and a NK, ie two flips, to talk about. Now people already discussed the NK a bit, but I'm surprised how little people care about the actual lynch, and how they're all focused on ADK.
For reference, this the final vote count for day 1 :
sudgy (7): A Drowned Kernel, Eevee, Teproc, Witherweaver, Ichimaru Gin, silverspawn, xxpittip
Hydrad (1): XerxesPraelor
Ichimaru Gin (1): Beyond Awesome
A Drowned Kernel (4): Hydrad, hugovj, sudgy, chairs
Probably the most relevant thing to note about the sudgy lynch is that there were several wagons on sudgy taht stalled before he eventually got lynched. There are several ways to see this :
- sudgy posted some really scummy stuff towards the end of the day (his premature softclaim especially) that made people who weren't convinced earlier want to lynch him
- people who didn't really like the available wagons (ADK and Hydrad) went for sudgy instead even if they had other preferred lynches
- ADK is scum and his partners deflected to sudgy.
Deflecting is an actual thing that scum does, though it's a litle risky so they tend to be subtle. Probably the first step before starting to accuse ADK would be to look back at day 1 and see if you can see people doing that. And by deflecting I don't mean "I don't like the ADK lynch, let's do sudgy instead" because I think scum is scared of saying that if ADK is their partner. Even if it works, ADK can flip at some point and then they look really bad. I would probably look at people saying "Well, maybe ADK is scum, but sudgy is so much scummier, look !"
As far as the silverspawn NK goes, I'm a little surprised by it, as silverspawn tends to be a controversial player which means he can get mislynched without as much difficulty as someone like WW for example. Going back to the "what makes scum NK people discussion", I more or less agree with WW's list, in that scum is mostly trying to prevent PoE from getting to them, so they want to kill the towniest people. PR hunting can be a tiebreaker, but is generally a mistake because you can always just get it wrong (see Chocolate Factory Mafia).
In this game though, no one was particularly townie. I would honestly struggle to find who the most townie player was on day 1. Actually my answer might have been silverspawn, or maybe Hydrad but those are just my reads, Hydrad did get a wagon on him so scum wouldn't be scared of him becoming IC-ish any time soon. What I'm saying is that they probably did kill for other reasons than "this person is too townie", since no one was getting really that many townreads off the top of my head. Which means they were either PR-hunting or scared of silverspawn catching them.
If it's that second option though, it doesn't necessarily means that silverspawn's top scum read is scum, more likely that he had multiple scum in his scumreads, maybe even all of them if we're talking about a single scum team here (that does seem te most likely since there's only one kill but you never know I guess).
Basically I'd say silverspawn's scum reads get a little scummier as a result of his kill given the circumstances, but not hugely so.
There's also the "on-wagon/off-wagon" approach, which would indicate that scum is mostly off-wagon here since they killed on-wagon, but I don't think non-ash scum actually thinks much about that on day 1, so I would not put any weight in that.
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That was a little too long, sorry.
Now let's reread to see if there really were people deflecting from ADK to sudgy.
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I'm just realizing now that I said I agreed with WW's NK list but I don't, since I would put PR at 3) after "consensus town read" and "likelihood to vote for scum".
P.S. : I really enjoyed the intro to silveespawn's song. The rest is not really my thing, but that was nice.
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That was a little too long, sorry.
Now let's reread to see if there really were people deflecting from ADK to sudgy.
Good post. I don't think it's fruitful to analyze the wagon from the perspective that ADK is scum though. Even if you have a scum read on him, it has to be more probable he is town, so more than likely your analysis would just be smoke and mirrors.
Actually it's sort of scummy you are going down that road. You are just assuming ADK is scum and going for partners already before the flip? I would see this if there was a result or something, but it's just a flimsy d1 case for crying out loud. Even if you are right and ADK is scum, why worry about partners today?
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I'm not assuming ADK is scum. I'm saying that if people were subtly deflecting away from ADK to sudgy, there is a greater chance that ADK is scum.
Because if he is scum, his partners must have done something to prevent him from being lynched right ? If no one did anything, then he's probably town.
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I'n standing in the queue to board a plane for an impromptu holiday, so no long post, just letting you know I won't be on today. Good news is I'm coming to an american timezone, which should make participating in conversations when they happen easier. I'm not sure where my vote is at right now, but I'll vote: sudgy for pre-emptively painting anyone who dares join his wagon as opportunistic scum.
ADK is at 4 relatively quick votes at this point. This vote from Eevee puts sudgy at 3 votes. Possible deflecting, hard to say since he doesn't mention ADK at all.
Oh, interesting, right after that vote, silver puts ADK at L-2 (though he announces it as L-1) and Eevee posts this :
Uh now it looks like I'm deflecting from ADK.
This struck me as a little strange at the time, and even more now. So Eevee is a possible parter for ADK.
Ichi is also defending ADK a bit while he's at L-1 but not really going for anyone else instead so that doesn't really fit, I think a partner would be more worried about proposing an alternative.
Eevee then continues to defend ADK
I mean, upon reading chairs's poem, my first instinct was "that's so awesome it deserves to be sheeped", so I definitely sympathize with ADK. The wagon seems to be making a mountain out of a molehill.
It's noteworthy that the wagon was started and pushed by someone who was in trouble themselves, sudgy. That people find this better than him is very suspicions to me.
Oh and then we have WW doing something that very much looks like deflecting, casting a fairly wide net actually :
I like what Eevee is saying. I like what Teproc is doing. ADK is probably not a great lynch choice. Being flippant about voting is not a scummy thing; it's scum that feels the pressure to justify every vote or opinion, not town.
My preference would be someone primarily hanging back.. BA (hey I'm voting for him), Silver, hugo.. Eevee is lurky.. Chairs' activity seemed to drop after he sparked up some action... Hydrad looks a bit under the radar after the wagon lost steam.
Hmm my view on sudgy is I would lynch him above most people but not above ADK. Right now I still see ADK as the scummiest but sudgy is top 3 I would say.
Just wondering though is most peoples view on him being scummy because he suggested the song claim?
ADK is scummy.. why?
I prefer Sudgy over ADK.
Vote: Sudgy
This bring Ichi over as well :
I prefer Sudgy over ADK.
Vote: Sudgy
Same. vote: sudgy for reasons I've previously outlined.
I believe this is L-2.
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Eh, how do you differentiate between not wanting to lynch ADK because he didn't seem very scummy and "deflecting" from his lynch?
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While I quoted three people here, the ony one I really see doing what I would expect ADK's partner to do here is Eevee. WW is being too obvious about it and Ichi doesn't look like ADK's partner based on today.
I know what I'm doing looks a lot like calling scumteams before any scum flip, which isn't a good scumhunting strategy. It's not really that though. What I was going for here was the other way around : I expected to find no credible partner for ADK and convince myself of hiw towniness. Which is not exaclty what I accomplished, but I do think if ADK has to be scum, Eevee probably has to be as well. Given that I think ADK alone is somewhat townie and Eevee is null, I'm not liking this wagon.
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Eh, how do you differentiate between not wanting to lynch ADK because he didn't seem very scummy and "deflecting" from his lynch?
I don't, basically my thought process was :
1) If ADK is scum, someone must have deflected from him
2) If no one deflected, ADK is town.
As I said, I don't really think your post I quoted looks like what I'd expect ADK's partners to do, it's a little too dangerous if it doesn't work out (or if ADK is lynched later), but I thought it was still worth quoting for feedback.
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I don't think partners say things like "Uh now it looks like I'm deflecting from my partner."
This feels like a very round-about way of scumhunting to me.
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This reread brought me back to thinking Ichi is scum by the way, but there's something else that jumped at me :
BA said he would be active in his big catch-up post, and then he has three posts. Apparently he has been pretty active in previous games, so what's up with that ?
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I don't think partners say things like "Uh now it looks like I'm deflecting from my partner."
This feels like a very round-about way of scumhunting to me.
I wasn't really scumhunting, I was trying to see if I could make ADK a pseudo-IC. Which is a round-about way of scumhunting, sure, but PoE is always good.
Basically if someone doesn't see any of the posts I quoted as deflecting, they probably shouldn't be voting ADK.
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Actually.
vote : WW
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Actually.
vote : WW
Wrong for your, like, 20th time in a row!
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What can I say, I just like voting for you. Maybe I'll figure out you're town later, but you've been really... in the background this game. That's not normal.
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I'm in the background? What about, uh.. the people I can't even remember in this game because they're barely posting? Newbie_001, Newbie_002, Eevee, Hydrad, Beyond Awesome, Chairs...
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Can't say that about chairs, and even if you could, it's a question of context. You're usually one of the people driving the game, all these people aren't (that or I don't know them, BA might fit the bill as well but I don't think I've played with him so it's hard to say).
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Confirming I am a background
pony poster.
I've had family stuff, I'll check in this evening hopefully.
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And I'm back again! rereading whats happened since day started
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huh so everyone jumped on ADK. thats fine with me as hes still my top suspect for being scum but I'm a bit surprised at how many people jumped on him right away and that worries me a bit. Unless scum thought he was going down and just decided to bus him for cred? That makes a bit more sense in my eyes if hes scum.
I also don't feel the best about Hugo. He felt more active in the newbie game so I'm wondering if this is him being scum and not sure what to say?
The only thing is if ADK is scum then I think Hugo is a bit more townie as he was on ADK's wagon. so my top 2 suspects are Hugo and ADK right now but I don't think they are a team.
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Ah still preferring ADK though. I guess i didn't specify that.
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Um I just realized I don't think I was in the last vote count? And I've been hearing ADK is at L-1 even though I think the vote count says L-2?
I'm going to hold off voting until I make sure I'm not accidentally hammering him.
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I agree the super quick ramp up of ADK's wagon is a little cautionary. I don't believe he's claimed yet--and I'm not sure that he should claim now. Although he definitely should before we lynch him.
I'm not so sure that his theoretical partner(s?) would be on his wagon though. The argument of "Oh, this wagon grew too quickly, so he's probably town" is exactly the useful argument they would probably employ.
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What I'm getting from this is that I was right to have a town read on Teproc day one. Now that this is the only game I'm alive in I can give it more attention.
Lurkers still be lurking. I like vote: XP, he's reminding me of him in that game that just ended where we were scum together, and I can say that now, woohoo!
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Huh its weird for some reason this game I don't have a strong urge to lynch XP yet.
Is there anything specific that is reminding you of the game that you were scum together?
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XP is in this game?
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His lurkiness, mostly. I mean that's a typical XP trait but I think it's pronounced when he's scum. And there's more players to blend in with here so I'm warier of lurkers.
PPE: I know right?
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Vote: Hugovj
Vote: XP
Vote: xxpittip
Vote: Beyond Awesome
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Hell, that could be the scumteam.
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I hope its not a 4 man scum team. That means we are almost in lylo already.
How many scum is there usually in a 13 player game?
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I hope its not a 4 man scum team. That means we are almost in lylo already.
How many scum is there usually in a 13 player game?
Vote: Hydrad
"Hey I don't know how many scum there are ."
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Not to mention bad grammar.
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I hope its not a 4 man scum team. That means we are almost in lylo already.
How many scum is there usually in a 13 player game?
Vote: Hydrad
"Hey I don't know how many scum there are ."
:/
do you have a guess of how many there are? as it was a real question.
PPE: I'm sorry English was my worst subject...
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Sorry, I'm an asshole and forget sometimes that not everyone on here speaks English as a first language. /sincerity mode
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Sorry, I'm an asshole and forget sometimes that not everyone on here speaks English as a first language. /sincerity mode
uhh well I kinda only can speak English. So i don't really have an excuse. I'm just terrible at English anyways :D
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His lurkiness, mostly. I mean that's a typical XP trait but I think it's pronounced when he's scum. And there's more players to blend in with here so I'm warier of lurkers.
PPE: I know right?
You're actually right that I tend to lurk more when I'm scum. The thing is, though, I also lurk more when I have big projects due coming up. That's what's happening here. Try re-reading what I did post though, it shouldn't be scummy. I'd give evidence, but WIFOM and all that.
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Vote: Hugovj
Vote: XP
Vote: xxpittip
Vote: Beyond Awesome
Vote: Hugovj
I haven't posted too much myself, but 7 posts are definitely not enough.
I will post more later today (propably in about 8h, maybe earlier)
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Realtalk I am not being lured into "can we cuddle for a few minutes" tonight, because cuddles literally end my night because they make me sleepy.
Going to try to read on lunch.
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Just reread XP, Hugo and BA. None of their posts seems particularly scummy, but that is not really meanigful when they have only 25 posts altogether. The problem with lynching one of them is that we don't get any information when they flip town / scum, since we can't analyse posts that don't exist.
Vote: ADK
1. I still think of him as the scummiest player.
2. If he gets lynched we get tons of information from all the posts by him (since he is one of the most active players) and all the posts mentioning him and the two wagons he had on him so far.
3. I don't want to wait for an answer from Hugo, since he didn't post anything for almost 7 days now.
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Is that the hammer?
Or yet another fake one?
I'm on mobile, so can't really check.
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Was that another derphammer ?
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Is that the hammer?
Or yet another fake one?
I'm on mobile, so can't really check.
No I just revoted him after unvoting earlier today and i think he is currently at L-2
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7? Okay, this is 8 then. And counting.
I know I haven't said much, but yeah, I don't really feel like putting little posts all over the place just to signal that I'm still reading.
Last post was that I was sick and would post later and then it became night. Oh dear, I was sick like a week ago, it has been quite long O.o (note to self: Make a post a day from now on. Really do)
Anyhow, let's get to it.
About the derphammering in Fish Mafia: it was me :-[ And we lost, not exactly because of that, but it wasn't good for town.
The quick wagon on ADK is to say the least remarkable. I still do believe ADK is scum, but whoah, this is really fast on L-2. That's a bit fishy, although, let's not forget ADK got many votes during the previous day, so basically these people are saying he's still suspicious, and that is logical. Fun fact: Only chairs had his vote on ADK when the previous day ended. Pit had his vote on him before he hammered. Ichi and Xerxes have not voted for ADK (correct me if I'm wrong). Both aren't the most active either, Ichi has voted Sudgy. So, Ichi doesn't look good here.
Teproc has made a nice post about the previous vote. However, it's not really helpful finding someone to lynch now. If you'd voted ADK, I think it's reasonable to search for teams, but it isn't really useful until one of these people flips scum, and they haven't yet.
Also, why WW, if you say this before that:
While I quoted three people here, the ony one I really see doing what I would expect ADK's partner to do here is Eevee. WW is being too obvious about it and Ichi doesn't look like ADK's partner based on today.
From which I conclude you don't suspect WW?
Let's vote: Ichi for now and see what happens.
Also, no hammer yet, because Pit first voted for me and then for ADK. Also, we need 6, not 5 if I'm correct?
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It's not,pit was voting ADK initially.
Also ADK was never at L-1 actually, only L-2 (which is still where we're at now).
PPE : what pit said.
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I think Xerxes was wrong about his vote being L-1.
PPE: What Teproc said~
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Just reread XP, Hugo and BA. None of their posts seems particularly scummy, but that is not really meanigful when they have only 25 posts altogether. The problem with lynching one of them is that we don't get any information when they flip town / scum, since we can't analyse posts that don't exist.
Vote: ADK
1. I still think of him as the scummiest player.
2. If he gets lynched we get tons of information from all the posts by him (since he is one of the most active players) and all the posts mentioning him and the two wagons he had on him so far.
3. I don't want to wait for an answer from Hugo, since he didn't post anything for almost 7 days now.
Vote: xxpittip
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@Hugovj
OK, I get that my big post was a little confusing, but what I was trying to do was to see if there were credible partners for ADK, because if there weren't any, he's probably town.
I arrived at Eevee being a possible partner, and that was about it, my comment above was about WW's posts not being the kind of deflection I would expect from ADK's scumpartner.
It wasn't above WW's alignment in general, it was just about his alignement assuming ADK is scum (which I don't think is true, it was just a mental exercise if you will).
Basically I think ADK is unlikely to be scum because there's onlyone player who deflected in the way that I would expect his partners to do if he were scum, and that's Eevee. Based on his posts, I have a town read on ADK and a null read on Eevee, so I don't really want to lynch ADK since I think the only scenario in which he's scum is one where Eevee is as well. THis might be a bit of an overstatement, maybe his partners were just lurking or bussing, but I doubt they both were (assuming only one scumteam since there was only one kill).
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1. I still think of him as the scummiest player.
2. If he gets lynched we get tons of information from all the posts by him (since he is one of the most active players) and all the posts mentioning him and the two wagons he had on him so far.
3. I don't want to wait for an answer from Hugo, since he didn't post anything for almost 7 days now.
Uhm, yeah.
1. Is okay, but why vote for me previously?
2. Uhm, no. That's a weird argument. Lynching a PR, just to get info, is not a winning strategy. Also, this is a discussion game, voting out the most notable active player isn't helping to get more discussion, thus is bad for town.
3. <3
I'm not saying you shouldn't vote for him, but these reasons are just bad.
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I meant PR as hypothetical PR, not as ADK=PR.
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Ichi and Xerxes have not voted for ADK (correct me if I'm wrong). Both aren't the most active either, Ichi has voted Sudgy. So, Ichi doesn't look good here.
I have 50 posts in this game, Xerxes has 15. I don't think I've been anywhere near low activity.
There were also six other people that voted sudgy besides me--and I stand by the fact that he looked incredibly scummy; it's easy to judge post-flip and of course unfortunate that we lost a PR. I'm also voting ADK right now.
PPE: too many to count
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Hugo, what's up with thinking that ADK is scum but voting for Ichi?
vote: hugo
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Hugo, what's up with thinking that ADK is scum but voting for Ichi?
Thinking Ichi is more scum than ADK?
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@Hugovj
OK, I get that my big post was a little confusing, but what I was trying to do was to see if there were credible partners for ADK, because if there weren't any, he's probably town.
I arrived at Eevee being a possible partner, and that was about it, my comment above was about WW's posts not being the kind of deflection I would expect from ADK's scumpartner.
It wasn't above WW's alignment in general, it was just about his alignement assuming ADK is scum (which I don't think is true, it was just a mental exercise if you will).
Basically I think ADK is unlikely to be scum because there's onlyone player who deflected in the way that I would expect his partners to do if he were scum, and that's Eevee. Based on his posts, I have a town read on ADK and a null read on Eevee, so I don't really want to lynch ADK since I think the only scenario in which he's scum is one where Eevee is as well. THis might be a bit of an overstatement, maybe his partners were just lurking or bussing, but I doubt they both were (assuming only one scumteam since there was only one kill).
But what if, you know, the wagon just didn't lead to a lynch without scum deflecting it? Both Sudgy and Hydrad had wagons earlier in the day that died down. Why do scum wagons need a partner to diffuse them but town wagons die down naturally?
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Hugo, what's up with thinking that ADK is scum but voting for Ichi?
vote: hugo
This is right. Didn't something like this happen in game a little bit back? Big long post explaining how you think X is scum, but voting X right now is just too scummy so you vote Y instead.
Vote: Hugo
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This is right. Didn't something like this happen in game a little bit back? Big long post explaining how you think X is scum, but voting X right now is just too scummy so you vote Y instead.
Well, where am I making a long post saying I think ADK is scum? Please tell me, because I don't see it.
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7? Okay, this is 8 then. And counting.
I know I haven't said much, but yeah, I don't really feel like putting little posts all over the place just to signal that I'm still reading.
Last post was that I was sick and would post later and then it became night. Oh dear, I was sick like a week ago, it has been quite long O.o (note to self: Make a post a day from now on. Really do)
Anyhow, let's get to it.
About the derphammering in Fish Mafia: it was me :-[ And we lost, not exactly because of that, but it wasn't good for town.
The quick wagon on ADK is to say the least remarkable. I still do believe ADK is scum, but whoah, this is really fast on L-2. That's a bit fishy, although, let's not forget ADK got many votes during the previous day, so basically these people are saying he's still suspicious, and that is logical. Fun fact: Only chairs had his vote on ADK when the previous day ended. Pit had his vote on him before he hammered. Ichi and Xerxes have not voted for ADK (correct me if I'm wrong). Both aren't the most active either, Ichi has voted Sudgy. So, Ichi doesn't look good here.
Teproc has made a nice post about the previous vote. However, it's not really helpful finding someone to lynch now. If you'd voted ADK, I think it's reasonable to search for teams, but it isn't really useful until one of these people flips scum, and they haven't yet.
Also, why WW, if you say this before that:
While I quoted three people here, the ony one I really see doing what I would expect ADK's partner to do here is Eevee. WW is being too obvious about it and Ichi doesn't look like ADK's partner based on today.
From which I conclude you don't suspect WW?
Let's vote: Ichi for now and see what happens.
Also, no hammer yet, because Pit first voted for me and then for ADK. Also, we need 6, not 5 if I'm correct?
The primary (and quite hedgy) paragraph on ADK, then brief Teproc and Vote Ichi.
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"Ichi and Xerxes have not voted for ADK (correct me if I'm wrong). Both aren't the most active either, Ichi has voted Sudgy. So, Ichi doesn't look good here."
Where's ADK? I'm using the ADK-wagon to find a suspect, and I find one. So, where am I saying ADK is scum?
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The quick wagon on ADK is to say the least remarkable. I still do believe ADK is scum, but whoah, this is really fast on L-2. That's a bit fishy, although, let's not forget ADK got many votes during the previous day, so basically these people are saying he's still suspicious, and that is logical.
I'll translate for you:
"I think ADK is scum. But maybe he's not. But maybe he is. I'm going to vote for someone else now. But when it comes time to lynch, remember that I thought he was scum earlier so I can go ahead and vote for him without looking scummy because I thought he was scum now."
I did this kind of thing a lot in my early scum games.
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But what if, you know, the wagon just didn't lead to a lynch without scum deflecting it? Both Sudgy and Hydrad had wagons earlier in the day that died down. Why do scum wagons need a partner to diffuse them but town wagons die down naturally?
You've been scum three billion thimes, so you must have had situations where you had partners at L-1. Was your reaction to this "wait it out and hope it goes away" ?
I think in these situatinos you have a choice to bus or to deflect, doing noting isn't really a viable option.
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Hugovj, why exactly did you vote Ichi ?
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huh so everyone jumped on ADK. thats fine with me as hes still my top suspect for being scum but I'm a bit surprised at how many people jumped on him right away and that worries me a bit. Unless scum thought he was going down and just decided to bus him for cred? That makes a bit more sense in my eyes if hes scum.
WW, tell me how this is different from my reaction. Then explain why you haven't commented on this.
I've voted for Ichi because:
-As I recall, he was lurking in the beginning (not very strong)
-He voted Sudgy before, who's flipped town. Also, he had a bit of a strange role in that vote.
-He hasn't voted ADK before, but seems to be jumping on the wagon anyway to quicklynch a town player
That last one contradicts ADK being scum, but yeah, I think it's very possible for Ichi to be scum.
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But what if, you know, the wagon just didn't lead to a lynch without scum deflecting it? Both Sudgy and Hydrad had wagons earlier in the day that died down. Why do scum wagons need a partner to diffuse them but town wagons die down naturally?
You've been scum three billion thimes, so you must have had situations where you had partners at L-1. Was your reaction to this "wait it out and hope it goes away" ?
I think in these situatinos you have a choice to bus or to deflect, doing noting isn't really a viable option.
Depends on the kind of player (experience and boldness). Bus would be the bold play; new player would not do it. Deflecting is too obvious, new player would be scared.. experienced player would just deflect and use the "I wouldn't be so obvious about it" defense, blatantly defend and use the "I wouldn't just straight up defend my scum partner" defense, or if they're very good, subtly deflect. New player is likely to be hedgey.. "well, maybe he's scum, but it's too early in the day..." or some other reason not to vote, but give them a chance to vote later for cred if they have to and hope it dies down in the mean time. I don't recall exactly, but I'm guessing my behavior was closer to this.
Any of those players could, though, simply not post at all. I think that is a perfectly viable option. The new player is more likely to do this than the experienced player.
Also, scum partner(s) could have gotten onto the wagon early (not expecting it to take off, maybe), and then couldn't really get away without looking bad.
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huh so everyone jumped on ADK. thats fine with me as hes still my top suspect for being scum but I'm a bit surprised at how many people jumped on him right away and that worries me a bit. Unless scum thought he was going down and just decided to bus him for cred? That makes a bit more sense in my eyes if hes scum.
WW, tell me how this is different from my reaction. Then explain why you haven't commented on this.
I've voted for Ichi because:
-As I recall, he was lurking in the beginning (not very strong)
-He voted Sudgy before, who's flipped town. Also, he had a bit of a strange role in that vote.
-He hasn't voted ADK before, but seems to be jumping on the wagon anyway to quicklynch a town player
That last one contradicts ADK being scum, but yeah, I think it's very possible for Ichi to be scum.
I missed that post, but it does sound quite a bit like your post. Hey it's from scummy Hydrad! Go figure!
What do you mean about Ichi having a strange role in the Sudgy vote?
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-He voted Sudgy before, who's flipped town. Also, he had a bit of a strange role in that vote.
Could you elaborate on that ? What was strange about Ichi's sudgy vote ?
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I feel scum often stays silent when their partner is in trouble. They don't want to say anything, because if they agree with the wagon, they help getting their partner lynched, and if they disagree with it, they look bad when he flips scum. Choosing not to post is a natural and usual reaction, definitely something I've done, especially when I was newer and or under scrutiny myself.
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huh so everyone jumped on ADK. thats fine with me as hes still my top suspect for being scum but I'm a bit surprised at how many people jumped on him right away and that worries me a bit. Unless scum thought he was going down and just decided to bus him for cred? That makes a bit more sense in my eyes if hes scum.
WW, tell me how this is different from my reaction. Then explain why you haven't commented on this.
I've voted for Ichi because:
-As I recall, he was lurking in the beginning (not very strong)
-He voted Sudgy before, who's flipped town. Also, he had a bit of a strange role in that vote.
-He hasn't voted ADK before, but seems to be jumping on the wagon anyway to quicklynch a town player
That last one contradicts ADK being scum, but yeah, I think it's very possible for Ichi to be scum.
I missed that post, but it does sound quite a bit like your post. Hey it's from scummy Hydrad! Go figure!
What do you mean about Ichi having a strange role in the Sudgy vote?
hmm so does this mean I always still seem scummy but people are just ignoring it now? I hadn't heard someone call me super scummy for a few games and thought I was getting better.
Also in my post I still said I'm willing to vote ADK I was just afraid to because of the possible derphammer as some people were saying he was at L-1.
and right now I really don't know where all the votes are. Can we get a votecount?
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Awaclus has replaced Beyond Awesome.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X8B4Iv3IWE
Vote Count 2.2
A Drowned Kernel (4): chairs, Ichimaru Gin, XerxesPraelor, xxpittip
XerxesPraelor (1): A Drowned Kernel
Ichimaru Gin (1): Hugovj
Hugovj (2): Eevee, Witherweaver
Not Voting (3): Teproc, Hydrad, Awaclus
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, December 10th at 10 PM.
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Ok, that makes sense. Thanks for replacing Awaclus ! You've played a game before right, the latest newbie game ?
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Ok, that makes sense. Thanks for replacing Awaclus ! You've played a game before right, the latest newbie game ?
Yeah.
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Come on Arch, i'm pretty sure I've used that syntax in all my previous mafia games... it's the correct one in French, maybe it works differently in English but man, it's annoying me.
vote: WW
@Awaclus : Have you been reading along and if so do you have any thoughts yet ?
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I'd like to lynch Hugo now I think. vote: Hugo nuff said.
Also, welcome Awaclus!
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Come on Arch, i'm pretty sure I've used that syntax in all my previous mafia games... it's the correct one in French, maybe it works differently in English but man, it's annoying me.
vote: WW
@Awaclus : Have you been reading along and if so do you have any thoughts yet ?
He was simply correcting your obvious mistake of voting for me.
And by the way, it's standard to not preface colons by a space: see this contained example.
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I just checked and yeah, it apparently is in English. In French, any ponctuation symbol with two parts (such as : ! ? or ;) must have a space before and after.
I understand there's a whole thing where scum can manipulate ponctuation to make it appear as f they're voting (the Galzria thing) but I'm pretty sure I've always voted that way, since that's the way most natural to me, and this is the first game where it's been a problem.
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I guess I shouldn't be posting about it here though, sorry for the digression.
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Don't be!
I noticed it once when I was doing a search for all "vote:" and noticed you using the different syntax. So it's definitely not a scum manipulation.
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Back to the actual game : chairs, why the drop in activity ? You were present on day 1, why go back to lurking ?
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Vote; Teproc for using French punctuation standards in English writing!
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Back to the actual game : chairs, why the drop in activity ? You were present on day 1, why go back to lurking ?
Thanksgiving
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Right, that's a thing. But it's done now, and you said you would check in at some point and then didn't. So now seems like a good time to do that.
Mostly I want more people to talk because I don't know what to do with the Hugovj wagon. It's a decent case, but I'm not completely convinced by it and have no meta to go by.
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@Awaclus : Have you been reading along and if so do you have any thoughts yet ?
Every now and then I've opened the thread, but not actively, and I don't really have any thoughts worth mentioning. I'll start reading from the beginning now and post my thoughts later.
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Hi awaclus!
I kind of like the Hugo wagon because his read on me, and his reads in general, seem a tad fabricated, like "I have to have a scum read on someone but I know everyone's town, shit I have to make something up". I know that's something I struggle with as scum.
Also, some town points to Ichi because he actually engaged with me on the whole emotionality thing and changed his mind, changing your mind is hard to fake and therefore towny.
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every single pop or hip hop song ever created?
Man, you need to widen your musical tastes. There are plenty of great pop and hip hop artists out there.
Finished reading, and it's very hard to form any reads that I'm really comfortable with. I think ADK has been the scummiest, Pit has been scummy, Hydrad's Pit defense was scummy and I don't think these three are scum together. Also, I think that ADK's playing style makes it super easy for me to find him scummy even when he's town, so for the time being I don't want to lynch him.
Hugo could be seen as scummy too I guess with his lurking and all, and he could fit into the Hydrad/Pit narrative as well.
Teproc is giving me a towny feel, chairs slightly less so, others I can't really read.
I'll vote: Pit now.
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I'm still suspicious of ADK, but Hugo looks scummy too. I do remember finding him scummy in the newbie game though, so I'm sticking with my vote.
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huh both my top suspects Hugo/ADK are the big wagons... Now I have to decide whos scummier.
Vote: Hugo for now I think.
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We have a week til the deadline, but that's no reason to let things stall. I think the Hugo wagon is good, but I'd like to hear what he has to say. Him disappearing again after the wagon on him makes me feel even better about my vote.
Also, I think Dresden Files (now that it's ended) is a good example that sometimes quick wagons are on scum. I don't think that argument will hold the same weight to me anymore. So the fact that Hugo's wagon has grown quickly (likewise with ADK's this game) is not a very good reason to oppose it.
Also, as to Hugo's argument about me lurking in the beginning. I was quite active for about the first 5 pages--and then dropped off a bit because I was busy with school (Finals are next week for me). Hugo only has 13 posts for this entire game. His play reads as strong newbie scum to me.
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We have a week til the deadline, but that's no reason to let things stall. I think the Hugo wagon is good, but I'd like to hear what he has to say. Him disappearing again after the wagon on him makes me feel even better about my vote.
Also, I think Dresden Files (now that it's ended) is a good example that sometimes quick wagons are on scum. I don't think that argument will hold the same weight to me anymore. So the fact that Hugo's wagon has grown quickly (likewise with ADK's this game) is not a very good reason to oppose it.
Also, as to Hugo's argument about me lurking in the beginning. I was quite active for about the first 5 pages--and then dropped off a bit because I was busy with school (Finals are next week for me). Hugo only has 13 posts for this entire game. His play reads as strong newbie scum to me.
Do you still think ADK is scum?
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We have a week til the deadline, but that's no reason to let things stall. I think the Hugo wagon is good, but I'd like to hear what he has to say. Him disappearing again after the wagon on him makes me feel even better about my vote.
Also, I think Dresden Files (now that it's ended) is a good example that sometimes quick wagons are on scum. I don't think that argument will hold the same weight to me anymore. So the fact that Hugo's wagon has grown quickly (likewise with ADK's this game) is not a very good reason to oppose it.
Also, as to Hugo's argument about me lurking in the beginning. I was quite active for about the first 5 pages--and then dropped off a bit because I was busy with school (Finals are next week for me). Hugo only has 13 posts for this entire game. His play reads as strong newbie scum to me.
Do you still think ADK is scum?
I'd rather lynch Hugo at this point. His lurking, combined with some of his posts e.g. "I don't have much to say, so I'm not going to post" are really scummy to me. It's much harder for scum to generate content and keep interested in the game when they don't have suspicion on them (and in general). He's enjoyed little suspicion so far, and I think that comes through in his posts.
I'm aware that I'm the one who made the initial case on ADK this day and all, but I'm just not feeling it so much any more. He's one of the more active players, and I'm not sure that he's playing to his scum meta either.
What do you think about the main wagons of D1 in general? Does the fact that ADK was the main alternative to town!sudgy and didn't get lynched make you feel scummier about him?
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We have a week til the deadline, but that's no reason to let things stall. I think the Hugo wagon is good, but I'd like to hear what he has to say. Him disappearing again after the wagon on him makes me feel even better about my vote.
Also, I think Dresden Files (now that it's ended) is a good example that sometimes quick wagons are on scum. I don't think that argument will hold the same weight to me anymore. So the fact that Hugo's wagon has grown quickly (likewise with ADK's this game) is not a very good reason to oppose it.
Also, as to Hugo's argument about me lurking in the beginning. I was quite active for about the first 5 pages--and then dropped off a bit because I was busy with school (Finals are next week for me). Hugo only has 13 posts for this entire game. His play reads as strong newbie scum to me.
Do you still think ADK is scum?
I'd rather lynch Hugo at this point. His lurking, combined with some of his posts e.g. "I don't have much to say, so I'm not going to post" are really scummy to me. It's much harder for scum to generate content and keep interested in the game when they don't have suspicion on them (and in general). He's enjoyed little suspicion so far, and I think that comes through in his posts.
I'm aware that I'm the one who made the initial case on ADK this day and all, but I'm just not feeling it so much any more. He's one of the more active players, and I'm not sure that he's playing to his scum meta either.
What do you think about the main wagons of D1 in general? Does the fact that ADK was the main alternative to town!sudgy and didn't get lynched make you feel scummier about him?
It's a point against him, but I don't have any kind of scum read against him based on his actual play. Things like:
Hi awaclus!
I kind of like the Hugo wagon because his read on me, and his reads in general, seem a tad fabricated, like "I have to have a scum read on someone but I know everyone's town, shit I have to make something up". I know that's something I struggle with as scum.
Also, some town points to Ichi because he actually engaged with me on the whole emotionality thing and changed his mind, changing your mind is hard to fake and therefore towny.
make me think he's town.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuEkp-i35Bc
Vote Count 2.3
A Drowned Kernel (3): chairs, XerxesPraelor, xxpittip
XerxesPraelor (1): A Drowned Kernel
Ichimaru Gin (1): Hugovj
Hugovj (4): Eevee, Witherweaver, Ichimaru Gin, Hydrad
Witherweaver (1): Teproc
xxpittip (1): Awaclus
Not Voting (0):
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, December 10th at 10 PM.
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unvote.
This new Hugovj argument is interesting, but I haven't had the time to read it.
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Let's lynch someone, guys. Hugo's close and does in fact look scummy. vote: Hugo
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ote : XP
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vote: XP
Town!XP isn't this uninvolved. Reminds me a lot of he played Death Note Mafia here.
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Let's lynch someone, guys. Hugo's close and does in fact look scummy. vote: Hugo
There's still time. While it's true that we don't want to make hasty decisions late, and that's why we shouldn't wait until the last moment to start discussing things seriously, but it doesn't help anything if we make the hasty decisions now.
I'm not against a Hugo lynch, but I'd rather lynch Pit. Now I'm also suspecting XP, but I would have to reread him and right now I don't have enough time for that.
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We have a week til the deadline, but that's no reason to let things stall. I think the Hugo wagon is good, but I'd like to hear what he has to say. Him disappearing again after the wagon on him makes me feel even better about my vote.
Thanks for the drama: I was of doing better things with my life than sitting behind a computer (probably watching television, but hey). Cute to hear you say this is an argument.
Also, this whole thing makes it pretty clear the next time I shouldn't try to become more active, as I'll get lynched a.s.a.p. Great to know that.
About the previous vote, I did a quick reread, and I thought I remembered something scummy from Ichi. Well, now I rereread, and I haven't found the particular thing. Sorry for that. Also, unvote for that matter.
Let's lynch someone, guys. Hugo's close and does in fact look scummy. vote: Hugo
Oh, come on.. This is just sheeping. Don't make things so easy for yourself and try to form an own opinion. Vote: Xerxes
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Thanks for the drama: I was of doing better things with my life than sitting behind a computer (probably watching television, but hey). Cute to hear you say this is an argument.
Also, this whole thing makes it pretty clear the next time I shouldn't try to become more active, as I'll get lynched a.s.a.p. Great to know that.
Don't. Just don't.
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Also, Xerxes, the previous page you say this:
I'm still suspicious of ADK, but Hugo looks scummy too. I do remember finding him scummy in the newbie game though, so I'm sticking with my vote.
This was what, 40 hours ago? Why the haste all of the sudden?
PPE: Just letting of my steam a bit. No harm intended ;)
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We have a week til the deadline, but that's no reason to let things stall. I think the Hugo wagon is good, but I'd like to hear what he has to say. Him disappearing again after the wagon on him makes me feel even better about my vote.
Thanks for the drama: I was of doing better things with my life than sitting behind a computer (probably watching television, but hey). Cute to hear you say this is an argument.
Also, this whole thing makes it pretty clear the next time I shouldn't try to become more active, as I'll get lynched a.s.a.p. Great to know that.
About the previous vote, I did a quick reread, and I thought I remembered something scummy from Ichi. Well, now I rereread, and I haven't found the particular thing. Sorry for that. Also, unvote for that matter.
Let's lynch someone, guys. Hugo's close and does in fact look scummy. vote: Hugo
Oh, come on.. This is just sheeping. Don't make things so easy for yourself and try to form an own opinion. Vote: Xerxes
Polan can into forum drama!
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Awaclus, as someone who replaced in I think a full reads list from you would be pretty helpful.
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Awaclus, as someone who replaced in I think a full reads list from you would be pretty helpful.
chairs - towny
Ichimaru Gin - don't know
Eevee - don't know
Teproc - towny
XerxesPraelor - possibly scummy
Hydrad - scummy
Beyond Awesome - towny :P
Witherweaver - don't know
xxpittip - scummy
Hugovj - possibly scummy
A Drowned Kernel - scummy but probably town
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So, I have a problem. Lately, I've had so much trouble getting into these mafia games, and subsequently I can't remember the last time anyone had a town read on me, it's been an endless string of "null", "lurky scum" or "PoE scum". I don't know what to do to change this! I'm clearly not playing very well right now, probably not signing up for any games for a while,
As for the game, I'm surprised Hugo reacted to his wagon so emotionally. I'd definitely call it an overreaction which usually come from town, so it makes me like lynching him a little less.
I still don't like lynching ADK, so I'm going to vote: xp. Lurkiness case is the best I see right now, although I'm very much a moving voter still.
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Easy solution Eevee : start caring about day 1. You always say day 1 is boring and end up lurking your way through it, so people don't really form an opinion on you.
Basically it seems you only start playing when you get a wagon lately (not entirely true this game to be honest you've been doing some stuff).
As for XP, it's not just about lurkiness, because we have other lurkers; It's about lurkiness and voting on big wagons, which is exactl how XP played in Death Note Mafia as scum. Town!XP tends to be more controversial and follow his own reads I think.
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Easy solution Eevee : start caring about day 1. You always say day 1 is boring and end up lurking your way through it, so people don't really form an opinion on you.
Basically it seems you only start playing when you get a wagon lately (not entirely true this game to be honest you've been doing some stuff).
As for XP, it's not just about lurkiness, because we have other lurkers; It's about lurkiness and voting on big wagons, which is exactl how XP played in Death Note Mafia as scum. Town!XP tends to be more controversial and follow his own reads I think.
I agree about Town!XP being controversial and following his own reads. A little more argumentative, as well. I had thought there was some evidence of this on Day 1, but I don't really remember now.
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See : WW's signature.
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I agree with most of your list, awaclus, except that I am finding Eevee a little towny here. But:
scummy but probably town
what exactly does this mean?
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Easy solution Eevee : start caring about day 1. You always say day 1 is boring and end up lurking your way through it, so people don't really form an opinion on you.
Basically it seems you only start playing when you get a wagon lately (not entirely true this game to be honest you've been doing some stuff).
As for XP, it's not just about lurkiness, because we have other lurkers; It's about lurkiness and voting on big wagons, which is exactl how XP played in Death Note Mafia as scum. Town!XP tends to be more controversial and follow his own reads I think.
Seconded (or thirded, with regards to Teproc).
I agree about Town!XP being controversial and following his own reads. A little more argumentative, as well. I had thought there was some evidence of this on Day 1, but I don't really remember now.
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Quote fail. "Seconded (or thirded, with regards to Teproc)." was my sentiment.
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Agree about XP, just couldn't word it so eloquently.
Teproc, it's not that I don't care, it's that I find everything that happens is more or less static noise with very little information value. I find it hard to form worthwhile reads, and I end up treating the early game as an exercise of not getting myself lynche and having my vote somewhere that's productive and not bad. Which of course makes me extremely suspect for scum manipulation and a weak player.
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Agree about XP, just couldn't word it so eloquently.
When you say stuff like that, I get nightmares about the Walrus lynch in GoT Mafia...
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Eh?
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Eh?
Teproc's laying foundation for his future vote on me.
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Eevee is town here I think, as is ADK and Teproc. Ichi I don't have much of an opinion on. Chairs either. Probably slight town on them. Hugo is scummy, Hydrad is extremely scummy or extremely townie, Awaclus is null, but BA was scummy, xxpit is null to slight scum, XP maybe scum.
PPE: That bastard.
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Eh?
It was my first game, I replaced some VT (chairs I think) on day 2 and ended up arguing for a Walrus lych based on some arguments scum!Eevee had put forward on day 1. Eevee said something similar to what he did right here and we ended up lynching Walrus (the one shot-BP) and mafia won the game flawlessly the next day.
PPE : However you want to frame it I guess.
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Hydrad is extremely scummy or extremely townie
Aren't you supposed to be good at reading him ? I've defaulted on him being town unless he does something very strange because I've been wrong too many times, but you caught him as scum before right ?
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Hydrad is extremely scummy or extremely townie
Aren't you supposed to be good at reading him ? I've defaulted on him being town unless he does something very strange because I've been wrong too many times, but you caught him as scum before right ?
The town part was a joke.
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Hydrad is extremely scummy or extremely townie
Aren't you supposed to be good at reading him ? I've defaulted on him being town unless he does something very strange because I've been wrong too many times, but you caught him as scum before right ?
The town part was a joke.
You think he's extremely scummy ? Why aren't you voting for him then ?
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As for the game, I'm surprised Hugo reacted to his wagon so emotionally. I'd definitely call it an overreaction which usually come from town, so it makes me like lynching him a little less.
I don't think that particular response is an alignment tell either way. And if it were, I certainly don't read it as townie.
More importantly, XP's wagon jumping is incredible here. He also said that he's busy with projects (school definitely does take up time), so there's that. I concur that his town self is normally much more controversial though. I am 100% fine with lynching XP today; however, it would be nice if he showed up.
PPE: 2
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Hydrad is extremely scummy or extremely townie
Aren't you supposed to be good at reading him ? I've defaulted on him being town unless he does something very strange because I've been wrong too many times, but you caught him as scum before right ?
The town part was a joke.
You think he's extremely scummy ? Why aren't you voting for him then ?
Because I'm voting for Hugo. Who tried to deflect his case onto Hydrad, interestingly enough.
Which probably means they aren't partners.
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Hydrad is extremely scummy or extremely townie
Aren't you supposed to be good at reading him ? I've defaulted on him being town unless he does something very strange because I've been wrong too many times, but you caught him as scum before right ?
The town part was a joke.
You think he's extremely scummy ? Why aren't you voting for him then ?
Because I'm voting for Hugo. Who tried to deflect his case onto Hydrad, interestingly enough.
Which probably means they aren't partners.
This makes no sense. You just said Hydrad was "extremely scummy". Why would you vote for anyone else ?
Back to vote : WW I guess.
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vote: WW*
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Scum!WW scares me, but I have a ton of scum reads this game--like too many. I'd be fine lynching one of Hugo, XP, Hydrad today. There's also pit. I don't think I want to lynch ADK anymore though. My read on him was much more based on silver's death and the D1 wagons than him actually doing scummy stuff.
I'd still like to lynch Hugo today though. Although it's interesting how people are distracting from each other's wagons. It went ADK -> Hugo -> XP -> now WW?
It's good to see this game moving again at least.
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I agree with most of your list, awaclus, except that I am finding Eevee a little towny here. But:
scummy but probably town
what exactly does this mean?
Well, the way you're posting would normally make me think you're scummy, but it's not much different from your style in the Newbie Mafia where you were town, and there was some other reason as well but I forgot what it was.
Because I'm voting for Hugo. Who tried to deflect his case onto Hydrad, interestingly enough.
Which probably means they aren't partners.
I think this is something that they might actually do if they are partners. There is little pressure on Hydrad right now, so he isn't really in huge danger anyway. Hydrad voting for Hugo now is somewhat strange if we assume that they're partners, but I suppose Hugo isn't going to get lynched immediately anyway, and there's enough time left for Hydrad to "change his mind" without appearing too suspicious.
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Speculating about scum partners is useless before people flip scum anyway.
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Hydrad is extremely scummy or extremely townie
Aren't you supposed to be good at reading him ? I've defaulted on him being town unless he does something very strange because I've been wrong too many times, but you caught him as scum before right ?
The town part was a joke.
You think he's extremely scummy ? Why aren't you voting for him then ?
Because I'm voting for Hugo. Who tried to deflect his case onto Hydrad, interestingly enough.
Which probably means they aren't partners.
This makes no sense. You just said Hydrad was "extremely scummy". Why would you vote for anyone else ?
Back to vote : WW I guess.
I think you're getting caught up in semantics. The joke with Hydrad was that he's always scummy, even when he's town.
I can see your confusion, though. I'm not as confident in scum!Hydrad as I was in Wool mafia.
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So what's your actual read on Hydrad ?
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I agree with most of your list, awaclus, except that I am finding Eevee a little towny here. But:
scummy but probably town
what exactly does this mean?
Well, the way you're posting would normally make me think you're scummy, but it's not much different from your style in the Newbie Mafia where you were town, and there was some other reason as well but I forgot what it was.
Because I'm voting for Hugo. Who tried to deflect his case onto Hydrad, interestingly enough.
Which probably means they aren't partners.
I think this is something that they might actually do if they are partners. There is little pressure on Hydrad right now, so he isn't really in huge danger anyway. Hydrad voting for Hugo now is somewhat strange if we assume that they're partners, but I suppose Hugo isn't going to get lynched immediately anyway, and there's enough time left for Hydrad to "change his mind" without appearing too suspicious.
Maybe, but I'm inclined to think not.
PPE: Scum, in the lynch pool.
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As for the game, I'm surprised Hugo reacted to his wagon so emotionally. I'd definitely call it an overreaction which usually come from town, so it makes me like lynching him a little less.
I don't think that particular response is an alignment tell either way. And if it were, I certainly don't read it as townie.
More importantly, XP's wagon jumping is incredible here. He also said that he's busy with projects (school definitely does take up time), so there's that. I concur that his town self is normally much more controversial though. I am 100% fine with lynching XP today; however, it would be nice if he showed up.
PPE: 2
Scum gets emotional when they feel they are suspected for wrong reasons. Hugo was frustrated he was suspected, period. I think that's more often town.
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We disagree on that I guess. I think what you say generally holds true, but I'm not seeing it in this instance.
It'd be nice to hear from Hydrad and pit...
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We disagree on that I guess. I think what you say generally holds true, but I'm not seeing it in this instance.
It'd be nice to hear from Hydrad and pit...
ah I'm here!
all of the fun lately has been happening in the mornings when I'm asleep.
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I think you're getting caught up in semantics. The joke with Hydrad was that he's always scummy, even when he's town.
I can see your confusion, though. I'm not as confident in scum!Hydrad as I was in Wool mafia.
Well hopefully this can change. Usually my games seem to go people think I'm scummy days 1-2. around days 3-4 suddenly people have a big town read on me. So I don't know why that keeps happening but I'm hoping its a trend that will continue.
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Hmm theres a XP wagon. It feels like I should jump on it because I love voting XP but I would still rather a Hugo/ADK lynch today.
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Hmm theres a XP wagon. It feels like I should jump on it because I love voting XP but I would still rather a Hugo/ADK lynch today.
this sounds triggerhappy. anyone you don't want to lynch?
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Reread of Hugo. I'll cover every post since there's only like 15.
#129 Hedges on the song claiming. Votes sudgy (I think this is a good vote).
#227 Answers sudgy's question about his mafia experience. Says he doesn't suspect Hydrad and is confused as to why others do. Also notes this Fun fact: WW and ADK voted twice right after each other on the same person.
#242 More on that point.
#272 Votes ADK for voting sudgy. Basically accuses ADK of being a hypocrite since ADK was originally against the sudgy wagon and found Hugo suspicious for jumping it. ADK points out this was very early in the game.
#338 Announces that he is sick and will post his thoughts later.
#395 A very strange post. Apologizes for lurking and says he doesn't have much to say. scumtell much?
Says he finds me "very suspicious" based on an earlier post made by Teproc? citing my play in (Stack the Deck) which he had confused with Zelda. So basically sheeping a read based on a prior game he hasn't even looked at. Finishes with saying he still likes his vote where it is though, despite me being "very suspicious".
#533 Another odd post. Basically saying that he feels no need to be townie by posting "little posts" which he believes the only purpose of which is to make people think you're town. It seems he forgot he posted in the interim after he had said he was sick. He states that he was the one that derphammered in Fish Mafia. Says he still thinks ADK is scum but the quickness of his wagon makes him wary. He believes that neither XP or I are voting ADK (although I am voting ADK at this point). Says that my vote on sudgy makes me look bad for some unknown (read: nonexistent) reason and then votes me to "see what happens".
#538 Responding to xxpittip's short case on ADK. Takes issue with the fact that xxpittip voted him previously. He disagree's with xxpittip's assessment that ADK's flip will give town a lot of information. Makes an interesting point about not voting active players. Concludes by saying he thinks the reasons xxpittip gives for voting ADK are bad.
#539 Correcting his prior statement that ADK was a PR, possible scumslip (But I don't really believe in those anyways).
#542 Responding to Eevee's vote on him and questioning why Hugo voted me. His response obviously gives no information or supporting statements.
#545 Disagrees with WW that his post indicated that he thought ADK was scum.
#547 Quotes a small portion of his #533 and tries to use it as evidence showing he didn't really think ADK was scum?
#551 Better response to people questioning why he voted me. He cites these reasons: I've voted for Ichi because:
-As I recall, he was lurking in the beginning (not very strong)
-He voted Sudgy before, who's flipped town. Also, he had a bit of a strange role in that vote.
-He hasn't voted ADK before, but seems to be jumping on the wagon anyway to quicklynch a town player
That last one contradicts ADK being scum, but yeah, I think it's very possible for Ichi to be scum.
I'll let you make of them what you will, obviously I'm biased, but I think they're terrible.
#586 Ooh. My favorite. Accuses me of starting "drama". I won't address the rest of the first and second paragraphs. Backtracks his vote on me because obviously there was nothing against me to begin with. Puts a good vote on XP for being opportunistic (this is also OMGUS).
#588 A small addition to his vote on XP questioning why he voted him.
I'm too tired to provide a big final conclusion or interpretation right now. Short story: I think Hugo is newbie scum.
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Hmm theres a XP wagon. It feels like I should jump on it because I love voting XP but I would still rather a Hugo/ADK lynch today.
this sounds triggerhappy. anyone you don't want to lynch?
Hmm I would say teproc, awaclus, eevee and maybe IG also. I think those 4 are the towniest right now.
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Man, this case feels constructed. It actually completely convinced me that Hugovj is town and leaning scum on Ichi.
Hugovj is town because of post #227 which Ichi quoted here :
Fun fact: WW and ADK voted twice right after each other on the same person.
Maybe I'm exaggerationg, but I don't see newbie scum saying that. Maaaaybe if these are his partners, but then he'd probably be scared of pointing that out. It's just such a weird thing to note, the kind of stuff that strikes me as typical newbie town trying to catch scumteams on day 1.
The case has some merits, but I'm really not a fan of the way Ichi presents it here. As usual, he completely discredits the idea that anyone voting for him would ever have the slightest chance of having a good reason for it/being town and then there's this :
#539 Correcting his prior statement that ADK was a PR, possible scumslip (But I don't really believe in those anyways).
What ? How is that a scumslip in any way shape or form ? Did Hugovj rolecop ADK in that scenario or something ?
This to le is an indicator that Ichi had already made up his mind before rereading. Now sure, town sometimes does that, but I know when I do targeted rereads as scum, it's always with a clear objective in mind, and this looks to me like what Ichi is doing here.
vote: Ichi
I'd still be up for lynching WW or XP, but this is stronger than anything they've done.
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I was accused of doing exactly the same thing to faust in Dice Mafia. I had hoped that I had put enough qualifiers in my reread (note, reread, not case). But apparently they either didn't come through, or you are not town.
And look. I know my meta ok--and you are horribly misconstruing it. I can freely admit that people have good votes on me. Where did this idea come from? You had some good votes on me earlier this game. Both you and WW voted me when I made my post about not wanting to post--those were good votes.
I think if you are being objective, you can recant the statement that I find all votes one me to be unfounded no matter who makes them or what circumstances, because this is obviously false.
vote: Teproc OMGUS and are obviously Hugo's partner if he is scum
I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Maybe I should just respond flippantly to everything or give up trying to contribute (because hey, everyone agrees that means you're town!).
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Both you and WW voted me when I made my post about not wanting to post--those were good votes.
What ? Do I really need to bring out the quotes ? When I voted for you in day 1 you immediately started saying I was town and my case was unthinkably bad.
I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Maybe I should just respond flippantly to everything or give up trying to contribute (because hey, everyone agrees that means you're town!).
Also the second time you've said that this game. Incredibly manipulative anti-town. As I said when Hugovj said basically the same thing : just don't.
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Quote fail, this was the intended post :
Both you and WW voted me when I made my post about not wanting to post--those were good votes.
What ? Do I really need to bring out the quotes ? When I voted for you in day 1 you immediately started saying I was town and my case was unthinkably bad.
I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Maybe I should just respond flippantly to everything or give up trying to contribute (because hey, everyone agrees that means you're town!).
Also the second time you've said that this game. Incredibly manipulative anti-town. As I said when Hugovj said basically the same thing : just don't.
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For the record, those were your reaction to my first case (and a small wagon) on you on day 1.
I usually don't vote for that many people. Honestly your read on me is mystifying. I see no way or purpose to defend myself against such an argument. It makes me think you are scum.
Is this fabricated just to get a reaction out of me?
I have pretty much no motivation to post as of now. I'll just wait for something to happen, since my participation is apparently more scummy than lurking.
As for it not being your usual meta, I could dig up quotes from ASoIaF mafia if you want, but you generally don't like being voted for. Which is fine, if a little annoying, that's not really part of my case.
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If I were scum, don't you think I would have lurked my way out of suspicion by now?
I was much lurkier in Stack the Deck--and it worked greatly in my favor.
I'm beginning to think that Hugo's post was a little more rational than before. What do you expect when you find people scummy for posting and then anti-town for not wanting to post?
We've played a lot of games together. I had thought you were pretty good at reading me. I think you are scum--and have barely gotten any suspicion this entire game.
PPE: You end with a quote from the post that I made, after which you voted me and I responded more rationally.
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This is seriously infuriating. It's basically equivalent to self-voting in level of trolling. Town!Ichi isn't that unhelpful.
You're right that my comment was in poor taste, but this is the way I feel. Your further tunneling of me makes me even more sure that you are scum--or are trying some new playstyle.
Your arguments are fair--I have not had a lot of content this game. However, your conclusion that I am scum is incorrect. Town!me gets tunneled a lot, but that doesn't make it any less annoying.
This is what I was referring to. Yes, I say I think you are scum. I also concede that your argument is good and my post was not.
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I love how you guys are saying that people find you scummy for posting. That could be said of basically any case. It's so crazy to defend yourself in that way, it's baffling to me.
No one thinks you're scummy for posting, you're scumy for WHAT you're posting.
PPE : Right, you ended up giving a calmer response, but your initial response was still basically OMGUS. And now again.
Also, I'm not good at reading you, as was demonstrated by my hand-waving of valid cases against you in Stack the Deck.
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I understand what you mean. Obviously most good cases will be based off of something one has posted. However, I think this is generally said as a statement relative to the people who are lurking. e.g. "How can you find me scummy when I'm participating (and possibly posting things that people find scummy) and these people aren't posting?"
I'm not saying this is a very good argument--but we shouldn't let the lurkers get away with lurking like they have been.
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Also. I'm going to change my vote to vote: XP
because I really think he's the best lynch today. It's entirely possible I can't be very objective about Hugo at this point given obvious reasons.
Could you also point me to a game that you were scum in? Because for some reason, I can't recall any games I've played where you've been scum.
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I'll asume this is directed to me ?
Hmmm, let's think. I don't think you were ever in a game were I was scum, but off the top of my head :
- Mafia and the Chocolate Factory (my glorious, and only, scum win, mostly because I was still a newbie and I got away with stuff because of it)
- Star Wars Mafia (flawless town victory !)
- Monsters University
Those are the only normal ones I think ? In RMM there's Dune Mafia and in Blitz there's Hangman.
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Thanks, yeah it was directed to you. Sorry if that was unclear.
I'm just afraid of you being scum since (and you seem to confirm this) I've never seen you as scum before. I'll probably skim MU now.
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Teproc and I were scum together in MU. Im fairly sure this is not scum Teproc here, despite him voting for all the wrong people (like, you know, me ~).
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Teproc and I were scum together in MU. Im fairly sure this is not scum Teproc here, despite him voting for all the wrong people (like, you know, me ~).
You think Ichi is town ?
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What I don't like about the Hugo lynch is that it seems like pretty much everyone has expressed a willingness to vote for him. Obviously scum can bus their partners but the whole thing seems a little too easy.
Awaclus so far seems towny, but I would like more from him. I realize I've already asked and been responded to, but you are behind, so to speak, so keep talking!
Ichi and WW seem a tad scummy to me lately, but I have a hard time reading both of them.
I could lynch XP, it's a fine lynch, in fact if I remember right that's where I'm voting.
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Teproc and I were scum together in MU. Im fairly sure this is not scum Teproc here, despite him voting for all the wrong people (like, you know, me ~).
You think Ichi is town ?
I'm starting to go that way.
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Thanks scumbud. I owe ya one ;D
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Seriously though. We need to lynch XP.
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Thanks scumbud. I owe ya one ;D
Any time.
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Seriously though. We need to lynch XP.
But didn't you write up a good case on Hugo?
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Seriously though. We need to lynch XP.
But didn't you write up a good case on Hugo?
Maybe (probably) I give up too easily. Teproc seemed to think my case was BS--but there are other people in this game. I am fine lynching Hugo today as well obviously. He and XP are my most preferred lynches today.
It would be easier if they would each actually respond to their wagons.
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Hugo did respond to his wagon, in a way. He got annoyed, which in a vacuum is kind of towny (scum doesn't want to make waves), but is certainly different than how he reacted to suspicion on him when he was in the newbie game, which was to be apologetic. A new player's meta is going evolve more rapidly than a vet's, so I'm not saying it's a cut-and-dry case, but it's something to consider.
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Hmm theres a XP wagon. It feels like I should jump on it because I love voting XP but I would still rather a Hugo/ADK lynch today.
this sounds triggerhappy. anyone you don't want to lynch?
Hmm I would say teproc, awaclus, eevee and maybe IG also. I think those 4 are the towniest right now.
so pretty much all the or ople no one else wants to lynch either? this is scumlike.
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I'm worried at how quiet pit has been today also. I feel like we have a decent amount of lurkers this game which is making it hard to keep conversations going.
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Hmm theres a XP wagon. It feels like I should jump on it because I love voting XP but I would still rather a Hugo/ADK lynch today.
this sounds triggerhappy. anyone you don't want to lynch?
Hmm I would say teproc, awaclus, eevee and maybe IG also. I think those 4 are the towniest right now.
so pretty much all the or ople no one else wants to lynch either? this is scumlike.
Well I've made it pretty clear on who I've wanted to vote. I think I was one of the first to say Hugo is someone i suspect as scum. Both of my biggest scum reads became wagons. I guess the one that just recently started on XP I have a null read on.
So unless I said XP, Hugo or ADK would it still be scumlike?
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Hmm theres a XP wagon. It feels like I should jump on it because I love voting XP but I would still rather a Hugo/ADK lynch today.
this sounds triggerhappy. anyone you don't want to lynch?
Hmm I would say teproc, awaclus, eevee and maybe IG also. I think those 4 are the towniest right now.
so pretty much all the or ople no one else wants to lynch either? this is scumlike.
Well I've made it pretty clear on who I've wanted to vote. I think I was one of the first to say Hugo is someone i suspect as scum. Both of my biggest scum reads became wagons. I guess the one that just recently started on XP I have a null read on.
So unless I said XP, Hugo or ADK would it still be scumlike?
Hmm I don't think I worded that well.
Basically i'm wondering if I needed to have a town read on one of those 3 for it not to seem scummy to you.
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this is scumlike.
Does it create a closed scumlike curve?
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this is scumlike.
Does it create a closed scumlike curve?
Would that separate the space into scum and nonscum subsets?
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Back to vote: Hugo.
I feel very confident about this lynch.
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this is scumlike.
Does it create a closed scumlike curve?
math jokes are lost on me. :(
hydrad, I'm just noting it's convenient for scum to agree with the town consensus on all counts.
Teproc seems very towny to me.
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Could we get the first post updated with silver's flip? Thanks.
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Awaclus so far seems towny, but I would like more from him. I realize I've already asked and been responded to, but you are behind, so to speak, so keep talking!
I don't know what to say, I think I've said pretty much everything I know and is worth saying at this point. Is there anything in particular you have in mind?
I'll reread to form an opinion especially about XP, but I'm going to sleep now, and I might not have enough time for that tomorrow.
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Awaclus so far seems towny, but I would like more from him. I realize I've already asked and been responded to, but you are behind, so to speak, so keep talking!
I don't know what to say, I think I've said pretty much everything I know and is worth saying at this point. Is there anything in particular you have in mind?
I'll reread to form an opinion especially about XP, but I'm going to sleep now, and I might not have enough time for that tomorrow.
I always just say the first thing that comes to my mind! although people usually get a scummy vibe from me so maybe its not the best advice.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_2JjIUKEu4
Vote Count 2.4
A Drowned Kernel (1): xxpittip
XerxesPraelor (1): A Drowned Kernel
Hugovj (4): Witherweaver, Hydrad, XerxesPrealor, Ichimaru Gin
xxpittip (1): Awaclus
XerxesPrealor (2): Hugovj, Eevee
Ichimaru Gin (1): Teproc
Not Voting (1): chairs
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, December 10th at 10 PM.
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whoa hugos at L-1? was anyone else aware he was this close to being lynched?
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whoa hugos at L-1? was anyone else aware he was this close to being lynched?
A derphammer wouldn't be that bad here--except he hasn't had a chance to claim.
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I'm listed twice, and my vote on Hugo is the phantom vote. So he is at L-2?
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I kind of want to vote for Ichi for saying that a derphammer wouldn't be that bad. I'd like an explanation for that.
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I kind of want to vote for Ichi for saying that a derphammer wouldn't be that bad. I'd like an explanation for that.
It's actually related to something I fake found joth scummy for in Silo mafia. I was really mad because I thought I had been derphammered (as scum) and he made a case that derphammering can sometimes be helpful to town. It's easy for scum to play (seemingly) more cautiously and in so doing attempt to diffuse wagons on their partners and such. Sure, I'm generally against it, because lynching someone without a chance to claim is normally a really bad idea. But I get the feeling Hugo isn't going to respond much to the wagon on him. He's already been lurking a ton. Drawing stuff out like that can be a pretty useful scum tactic since you can somewhat hold your life ransom as long as you aren't around to claim.
At least in that game, a derphammer would have been great for town. Surprise hammers don't give scum the chance to argue people off of their lynch--and I subsequently managed to live that day.
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I kind of want to vote for Ichi for saying that a derphammer wouldn't be that bad. I'd like an explanation for that.
It's actually related to something I fake found joth scummy for in Silo mafia. I was really mad because I thought I had been derphammered (as scum) and he made a case that derphammering can sometimes be helpful to town. It's easy for scum to play (seemingly) more cautiously and in so doing attempt to diffuse wagons on their partners and such. Sure, I'm generally against it, because lynching someone without a chance to claim is normally a really bad idea. But I get the feeling Hugo isn't going to respond much to the wagon on him. He's already been lurking a ton. Drawing stuff out like that can be a pretty useful scum tactic since you can somewhat hold your life ransom as long as you aren't around to claim.
At least in that game, a derphammer would have been great for town. Surprise hammers don't give scum the chance to argue people off of their lynch--and I subsequently managed to live that day.
while you might catch scum. You also can lose town without them being able to argue.
This just happened in the newbie mafia game where Qvist got derphammered and ended up being the jailkeeper but couldn't claim before he got killed. That derphammer definitely hurt town. So I am on the side that derphammers are dangerous.
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For sure. Derphammers are normally pretty bad. I just don't think they're always bad. They're random though, so it's not really something that can be controlled aside from pushing awareness of how many votes people have on them.
If I wasn't already voting Hugo, I'd be contemplating a quickhammer about now. This day hasn't gone on for that long, but there's been a huge amount of wagons already. Hugo's was like the 2nd one of today--and the earlier wagons often dissipate before we finally get a lynch. That's exactly what I don't want to happen here.
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Unvote. The last few days ADK didn't feel as scummy to me as before (that doesn't mean that i think he is town - he is just less scummy) and i think the hugo wagon is justified. I'm not completely sure if i want to vote for him just now, but if he doesn't show up soon and convince me he is town i will propably vote for him.
Teproc feels kind of scummy too, but that is more of a gut feeling, so i won't vote for him unless future posts confirm my feeling to be more reasonable.
I don't agree with the XP wagon (he is listed twice in the vote count -> "XerxesPraelor (1): A Drowned Kernel" and "XerxesPrealor (2): Hugovj, Eevee" , so he is actually at (3)). None of his posts seem that suspicious to me. The only thing that might be scummy is his lurking, but i shouldn't be judging him for that.
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Note to everyone:
"Having someone at L-1 isn't dangerous because everyone knows not to quickhammer without
a reason" isn't true anymore.
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Very scummy post from xxpittip. Unvoting from a wagon that had lost it's traction while keeping the door open so you can go back to it later and point out how you always thought he was scum, and preparing yourself for voting for the competing wagon.
Guys, if you are town and see others are voting for someone, you should really be thinking why that's happening instead of joining in because that's where the momentum is.
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Teproc's being pretty convincing. I'll look at IG (I have thought "They're punishing me for being active" in some of my other scum games)
unvote
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Very scummy post from xxpittip. Unvoting from a wagon that had lost it's traction while keeping the door open so you can go back to it later and point out how you always thought he was scum, and preparing yourself for voting for the competing wagon.
I agree.
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vote: eevee for now.
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vote: eevee for now.
???
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Note to everyone:
"Having someone at L-1 isn't dangerous because everyone knows not to quickhammer without
a reason" isn't true anymore.
Take that, Ash!
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I'm much more likely to drop in activity if I'm close to being lynched as scum than as town. As town I don't really have any worries, I can just tell people that they're wrong or make cases that I know are genuine. When I'm scum, I'm worried that everything I say will end up being evidence against me or my partners. It's hard for me to imagine me saying things as scum to suddenly make people think I'm townie when they're all voting for me, because I know I'm not. I also worry about giving my partners away.
I still like Hugo.
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vote: eevee for now.
Huh? Is this an attempt at meta emulation?
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vote: eevee for now.
Huh? Is this an attempt at meta emulation?
I criticized Hydrad for having reads equal to down consensus, maybe this is XP's way of swimming against the stream.
Or maybe he has reasons he chose not to divulge to us.
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vote: eevee for now.
Huh? Is this an attempt at meta emulation?
I criticized Hydrad for having reads equal to down consensus, maybe this is XP's way of swimming against the stream.
Or maybe he has reasons he chose not to divulge to us.
Well that was my thought, and it was explicitly pointed out that XP had not had his usual controversial stances.
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That reminds me, we haven't had an ashersky moment in this game, so vote: chairs.
Seriously, though, I want to know - Eevee, why not vote for pit if you feel like his post is scummy? Still feeling better about the location of your current vote, or just trying to stir the pot to get others to roll onto him and keep the wifom up? VOTE EARLY VOTE OFTEN CITIZEN!
vote: eevee until I GET THE TRUTH
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My vote is on XP, which I see as the stronger target. Not much else to it, pit would be my second choice.
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That's a scummy post from pit but the problem I'm having throughout this game is that I'm having a hard time distinguishing between "scummy play" and "newbie play". I would vote for pit, but I feel more confident in my vote on XP, since I at least have some experience with him.
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hmm so ADK and eevee, you're both in the "XP and pit both feel scummy, but I'm more confident about XP" camp?
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Yeah, that's what it looks like. What camp are you in?
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Idk I think this chairs guy is pretty iffy ;)
But yeah, I can see the argument for both. I think, however, that if you or eevee flip scum, the other is probably scum.... but the obvious way you've connected (to me) makes me feel much townier on the both of you.
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Idk I think this chairs guy is pretty iffy ;)
But yeah, I can see the argument for both. I think, however, that if you or eevee flip scum, the other is probably scum.... but the obvious way you've connected (to me) makes me feel much townier on the both of you.
They're more likely scum together because they have the same reads on a couple people?
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I can easily see XP's recent posts as emulation of his town meta. Interesting that he doesn't start having more unique and controversial reads until multiple people point it out. Also interesting that he finds me scummy and then votes Eevee because?..
pit looks pretty scummy here as well, but I still want to lynch Hugo. How many scum are in this game? 3 possibly 4?
In order from strongest to weakest reads.
My townreads are: WW, Eevee, chairs, Hydrad
Scum: Hugo, XP, pit,
Nullish: Awaclus, Teproc, ADK
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I can easily see XP's recent posts as emulation of his town meta. Interesting that he doesn't start having more unique and controversial reads until multiple people point it out. Also interesting that he finds me scummy and then votes Eevee because?..
You really are Mr. Interesting. I guess it's fine because you list XP as scum afterwards so the meaning is pretty clear, but still.
As far as the number of scum goes, 3-4 would be my guess yes, leaning towards 3 since there was only one kill and I don't think a 4-man scumteam is very realistic.
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I'll probably have you as a townread now.
You aren't voting for Hugo are you?
I think someone should hammer him.
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I'd assume a 3-person team and no SK until proven otherwise, but I don't see how that helps us.
If an XP lynch isn't happening (it should be) then I think I would open to lynching WW. It's not that I think he's super scummy, but he's doing a very good job of blending into the background and not attracting a lot of attention, and that worries me.
PPE: he's not at L-1?
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L-2, calm yourself.
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Oh yeah. I think you're right. XP's voting Eevee now and was hugo never at L-1 to begin with?
PPE: Ok ;D
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He's not at L-1, nor should he be.
Part of it is that this seems like a typical newbie town post to me :
Fun fact: WW and ADK voted twice right after each other on the same person.
I don't think scum is all that likely to notice this, unless maybe he's partners with both WW and ADK.
I'm also not that convinced by the case besides that, he just reads as newbie scum to me, and there are actually scummy people in this game, so.
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I'd assume a 3-person team and no SK until proven otherwise, but I don't see how that helps us.
If an XP lynch isn't happening (it should be) then I think I would open to lynching WW. It's not that I think he's super scummy, but he's doing a very good job of blending into the background and not attracting a lot of attention, and that worries me.
PPE: he's not at L-1?
Listen to this man !
Wait, you all think he's scum. But you're wrong, look at how much he agrees with me ! How could he be scum ?
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I'd assume a 3-person team and no SK until proven otherwise, but I don't see how that helps us.
If an XP lynch isn't happening (it should be) then I think I would open to lynching WW. It's not that I think he's super scummy, but he's doing a very good job of blending into the background and not attracting a lot of attention, and that worries me.
PPE: he's not at L-1?
Not a fan of a WW lynch.
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I can easily see XP's recent posts as emulation of his town meta. Interesting that he doesn't start having more unique and controversial reads until multiple people point it out. Also interesting that he finds me scummy and then votes Eevee because?..
pit looks pretty scummy here as well, but I still want to lynch Hugo. How many scum are in this game? 3 possibly 4?
In order from strongest to weakest reads.
My townreads are: WW, Eevee, chairs, Hydrad
Scum: Hugo, XP, pit,
Nullish: Awaclus, Teproc, ADK
I'm quite sure that there are no more than 3 scum players, since 4 would be almost impossible to beat for town.
I won't be able to write anything in the next ~48h, so i will post a short reads-list:
Town <----------------------->Null<---------------------------> Scum
Eevee, chairs, Hydrad, WW, IG, Awaclus, XP, Teproc, Hugo, ADK
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He's not at L-1, nor should he be.
Part of it is that this seems like a typical newbie town post to me :
Fun fact: WW and ADK voted twice right after each other on the same person.
I don't think scum is all that likely to notice this, unless maybe he's partners with both WW and ADK.
I'm also not that convinced by the case besides that, he just reads as newbie scum to me, and there are actually scummy people in this game, so.
I assume you meant newbie town here? Hmm, I'm not so sure. I feel like he's lurking on purpose for whatever reason--and I don't think that's good. I mean, obviously he was sick and all, but before and after that, he's been very low activity and I know he's been around.
PPE: I am a virtually perfect null read, guess that's not terrible.
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I'm quite sure that there are no more than 3 scum players, since 4 would be almost impossible to beat for town.
4 in one team, yeah. But it's possible that we're facing two scum teams, or a scum team and a SK. Unlikely because only one person died, but possible.
PPE : I did mean newbie town, yes.
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I voted Eevee basically OMGUS, as you could tell by my saying "for now".
I don't emulate my meta, as town or scum. I've been sheeping because I've been paying less attention, and if you actually look, you'll probably find that that's part of my "meta". This is all distracting from my actual reread.
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Nice reason.
I like lynching hugo less and less, the reasons not to are just so much better. Meanwhile XP isn't exactly seeming towny, so I encourage more people to join that wagon.
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Nice reason.
I like lynching hugo less and less, the reasons not to are just so much better. Meanwhile XP isn't exactly seeming towny, so I encourage more people to join that wagon.
Why shouldn't we lynch Hugo?
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Why shouldn't we lynch Hugo?
Because!
Okay, let's see, you wanted my response to your case.
Reread of Hugo. I'll cover every post since there's only like 15.
#129 Hedges on the song claiming. Votes sudgy (I think this is a good vote).
#227 Answers sudgy's question about his mafia experience. Says he doesn't suspect Hydrad and is confused as to why others do. Also notes this Fun fact: WW and ADK voted twice right after each other on the same person.
#242 More on that point.
#272 Votes ADK for voting sudgy. Basically accuses ADK of being a hypocrite since ADK was originally against the sudgy wagon and found Hugo suspicious for jumping it. ADK points out this was very early in the game.
#338 Announces that he is sick and will post his thoughts later.
Well, so far so good. Also, I feel like you wanted to mention my ADK/WW-thing, but didn't want to go to deep into it. A bit confirmation BIASed if you ask me.
#395 A very strange post. Apologizes for lurking and says he doesn't have much to say. scumtell much?
Says he finds me "very suspicious" based on an earlier post made by Teproc? citing my play in (Stack the Deck) which he had confused with Zelda. So basically sheeping a read based on a prior game he hasn't even looked at. Finishes with saying he still likes his vote where it is though, despite me being "very suspicious".
This is quoting out of context. What I literally said was: "I must say I do find the way some people base their arguments of other people there style. I know this can be useful, but still, it's really confusing for me to read: Ichi is very suspicious, because he played like this in Zelda mafia, or whatever. I haven't read all games, nor do I plan to do so."
So, while mentioning your name and Teprocs argument, I try to say I can't make up my mind about these arguments, because I don't have any experience with your playstyle.
#533 Another odd post. Basically saying that he feels no need to be townie by posting "little posts" which he believes the only purpose of which is to make people think you're town. It seems he forgot he posted in the interim after he had said he was sick. He states that he was the one that derphammered in Fish Mafia. Says he still thinks ADK is scum but the quickness of his wagon makes him wary. He believes that neither XP or I are voting ADK (although I am voting ADK at this point). Says that my vote on sudgy makes me look bad for some unknown (read: nonexistent) reason and then votes me to "see what happens".
Well, honestly, I didn't remember that post. Don't know what I was thinking. Probably a bit the same as with the vote on Sudgy, I really wasn't reading properly. "See what happens" was purely because I was very interested in what would happen, hoping it would give more insight. Well, it does.
#538 Responding to xxpittip's short case on ADK. Takes issue with the fact that xxpittip voted him previously. He disagree's with xxpittip's assessment that ADK's flip will give town a lot of information. Makes an interesting point about not voting active players. Concludes by saying he thinks the reasons xxpittip gives for voting ADK are bad.
No comments needed
#539 Correcting his prior statement that ADK was a PR, possible scumslip (But I don't really believe in those anyways).
Er... No. I was giving an example and here I'm repeating again it was an example.
#542 Responding to Eevee's vote on him and questioning why Hugo voted me. His response obviously gives no information or supporting statements.
#545 Disagrees with WW that his post indicated that he thought ADK was scum.
#547 Quotes a small portion of his #533 and tries to use it as evidence showing he didn't really think ADK was scum?
No, again. What I'm trying to prove to WW is the fact I don't say I think ADK is surely scum. I think he very well might be, but I explain why I don't vote for him. WW accused me of making a case, and I quote myself to prove I didn't.
#551 Better response to people questioning why he voted me. He cites these reasons: I've voted for Ichi because:
-As I recall, he was lurking in the beginning (not very strong)
-He voted Sudgy before, who's flipped town. Also, he had a bit of a strange role in that vote.
-He hasn't voted ADK before, but seems to be jumping on the wagon anyway to quicklynch a town player
That last one contradicts ADK being scum, but yeah, I think it's very possible for Ichi to be scum.
I'll let you make of them what you will, obviously I'm biased, but I think they're terrible.
Well, I unvoted, didn't I? Okay, later, but yeah.
#586 Ooh. My favorite. Accuses me of starting "drama". I won't address the rest of the first and second paragraphs. Backtracks his vote on me because obviously there was nothing against me to begin with. Puts a good vote on XP for being opportunistic (this is also OMGUS).
I don't accuse you of starting drama. What I meant was that it was a bit dramatic to say I 'disappeared' after I was gone for about an hour or so. No comments on the emotions, those things happen.
I like the fact this is the third time you liked something I've done but you still are sure I'm scum.
Also, is OMGUS not every vote that is based JUST on the fact someone voted for you? Otherwise, yeah, most votes from me will be OMGUS, I have the most votes, so that's just some plain statistics.
#588 A small addition to his vote on XP questioning why he voted him.
I'm too tired to provide a big final conclusion or interpretation right now. Short story: I think Hugo is newbie scum.
Well, I'll conclude this:
You've reread me with a Hugo-is-scum-feeling and have therefore (I assume by accident) misunderstood some things of what I've said/not read carefully. I think, the only argument that still stands is my bad reread in post #533. That's a decent argument. I think there are more compelling cases though, but if you disagree, please response to this, so I can see where the confusion lies.
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Vote: WW
Everyone do it, quick!
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This is nice to hear. It makes me feel townier on you. Honestly, one of the major reasons why I felt so scummy about you was your overreaction earlier. This feels much more rational and less reactive.
and yeah OMGUS is voting someone just because they voted you.
PPE: Sorry, I'm gonna vote: XP instead
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Vote: WW
Everyone do it, quick!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mojL3wAfuCA
Vote Count 2.5
Hugovj (2): Witherweaver, Hydrad
xxpittip (1): Awaclus
XerxesPrealor (3): Hugovj, Eevee, Ichimaru Gin
Ichimaru Gin (1): Teproc
Eevee (2): XerxesPraelor, chairs
Witherweaver (1): A Drowned Kernel
Not Voting (1): xxpittip
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, December 10th at 10 PM.
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What is the case on WW? Him avoiding suspicion?
There is a part of me concerned about his scumplay--since he can be pretty devious and has obviously had ample experience ;D. But I'm not really feeling scum!WW right now.
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vote: WW
Do I get a cookie, or something? Does this give us some great insight into the unknown?
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I'm also interested in ADK's sudden WW vote.
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By "interested" you mean "interested in switching your vote," right?
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By "interested" you mean "interested in switching your vote," right?
If you give a good reason maybe. I don't think I'm going to switch it with just a "Everyone do it quick" though.
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This is bad and you should feel bad.
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Interesting (a) : an all purpose word that is likely the most useful devised in the English language. It can be used as a means of conveying true interest in a subject and also sarcastically in order to impart the opposite. Additionally, its utility is nearly unbounded given the range of emotions and meaning that can be applied to it after-the-fact. However, there are also those that see a dark side to the power of this divine word. They focus on it's lack of direct meaning and some of its more nefarious applications that are a direct result of its surprising versatility. Although this expression has since been legally secured, there are still those that would use it as an expression of ultimate defiance.
PPEs: ;)
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Also. We are not lynching WW today.
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Also. We are not lynching WW today.
Thanks partner.
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Also. We are not lynching WW today.
Thanks partner.
No probs.
If we keep things this obvious, they'll never suspect that we're really the scumteam.
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Oh god.
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Man, we can't not lynch WW now.
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Man, we can't not lynch WW now.
Thanks partner.
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Seriously, being overly jokey about being scum, especially later in the game, is legitimately a scumtell. And I think this is the second time that WW and Ichi have joked about being partners. I really, really like a WW lynch now.
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Seriously, being overly jokey about being scum, especially later in the game, is legitimately a scumtell. And I think this is the second time that WW and Ichi have joked about being partners. I really, really like a WW lynch now.
Okay, well, you're wrong.
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Seriously, being overly jokey about being scum, especially later in the game, is legitimately a scumtell. And I think this is the second time that WW and Ichi have joked about being partners. I really, really like a WW lynch now.
Seriously?
No one answered my question earlier. But what was the original case on WW anyway? Just him not getting suspicion?
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Seriously, being overly jokey about being scum, especially later in the game, is legitimately a scumtell. And I think this is the second time that WW and Ichi have joked about being partners. I really, really like a WW lynch now.
Seriously?
No one answered my question earlier. But what was the original case on WW anyway? Just him not getting suspicion?
Seriously.
And yes, looking at someone blending in and not attracting suspicion is an underrated way to find scum. It worked on me in Greater Idea.
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Seriously, being overly jokey about being scum, especially later in the game, is legitimately a scumtell. And I think this is the second time that WW and Ichi have joked about being partners. I really, really like a WW lynch now.
Seriously?
No one answered my question earlier. But what was the original case on WW anyway? Just him not getting suspicion?
Seriously.
And yes, looking at someone blending in and not attracting suspicion is an underrated way to find scum. It worked on me in Greater Idea.
Oh thats a interesting way of trying to find scum. But what made you think of WW? I feel like other people are coasting through a bit without suspicion. Eevee, chairs, Teproc all kinda come to my mind. Is there something different about WW's coasting or did you just randomly pick him.
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Seriously, being overly jokey about being scum, especially later in the game, is legitimately a scumtell. And I think this is the second time that WW and Ichi have joked about being partners. I really, really like a WW lynch now.
Seriously?
No one answered my question earlier. But what was the original case on WW anyway? Just him not getting suspicion?
Seriously.
And yes, looking at someone blending in and not attracting suspicion is an underrated way to find scum. It worked on me in Greater Idea.
I don't really think I've been blending in here.
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Seriously, being overly jokey about being scum, especially later in the game, is legitimately a scumtell. And I think this is the second time that WW and Ichi have joked about being partners. I really, really like a WW lynch now.
Seriously?
No one answered my question earlier. But what was the original case on WW anyway? Just him not getting suspicion?
Seriously.
And yes, looking at someone blending in and not attracting suspicion is an underrated way to find scum. It worked on me in Greater Idea.
Oh thats a interesting way of trying to find scum. But what made you think of WW? I feel like other people are coasting through a bit without suspicion. Eevee, chairs, Teproc all kinda come to my mind. Is there something different about WW's coasting or did you just randomly pick him.
I'll admit that it has a bit to do with my own reads. Teproc and chairs read as very active and towny, pushing discussion (in chair's case, especially relative to his usual play), whereas WW seems just active enough that he's avoiding being called out for lurkiness, without being too controversial.
And don't you mean that it's InterestingTM?
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I think ww is just like that. Null for that stuff.
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Seriously, being overly jokey about being scum, especially later in the game, is legitimately a scumtell. And I think this is the second time that WW and Ichi have joked about being partners. I really, really like a WW lynch now.
Seriously?
No one answered my question earlier. But what was the original case on WW anyway? Just him not getting suspicion?
Seriously.
And yes, looking at someone blending in and not attracting suspicion is an underrated way to find scum. It worked on me in Greater Idea.
I don't really think I've been blending in here.
You have!
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Seriously, being overly jokey about being scum, especially later in the game, is legitimately a scumtell. And I think this is the second time that WW and Ichi have joked about being partners. I really, really like a WW lynch now.
Seriously?
No one answered my question earlier. But what was the original case on WW anyway? Just him not getting suspicion?
Seriously.
And yes, looking at someone blending in and not attracting suspicion is an underrated way to find scum. It worked on me in Greater Idea.
I don't really think I've been blending in here.
But you have!
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And ADK seems more and more towny.
I don't oppose the WW lynch, the case is solid. Just not my first option yet.
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Also, wine is good.
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was the double post intended?
PPE: oh wine...
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This WW case is interesting!
Vote: WW
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I can see Eevee's frustration with D1. As it is, I have a hard time when we don't have a scum flip yet. Cause at this point, I'm wary of how everyone is defending everyone else. Technically, I think XP's defense of WW is townie--but I'm also afraid they're partners.
I'm not really a fan of the Hugo lynch anymore either. Hmm...
We should probably just lynch XP.
PPE: Hydrad joining the WW wagon.
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interesting!
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Vote: Hydrad
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I can see Eevee's frustration with D1. As it is, I have a hard time when we don't have a scum flip yet. Cause at this point, I'm wary of how everyone is defending everyone else. Technically, I think XP's defense of WW is townie--but I'm also afraid they're partners.
I'm not really a fan of the Hugo lynch anymore either. Hmm...
We should probably just lynch XP.
PPE: Hydrad joining the WW wagon.
Well, for the most part the game gets more interesting after a Very Meaninful Event, which is usually a scum flip. Day 1s never have those.
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I agree. Maybe VME's should be a thing now. I'm kinda liking it.
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We still have like 5 days before the deadline, but I think we should lynch earlier than that. There's been more than one good wagon today. Hydrad is probably worth taking a look at. Though he's another person I'm prone to mislynching.
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We still have like 5 days before the deadline, but I think we should lynch earlier than that. There's been more than one good wagon today. Hydrad is probably worth taking a look at. Though he's another person I'm prone to mislynching.
But can't you see how super towny I always am?
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interesting!
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I have a urge to use it in every post now :D
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Vote: Hydrad
Do I get an explanation?
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Vote: Hydrad
Do I get an explanation?
You're scum.
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Vote: Hydrad
Do I get an explanation?
You're scum.
Ah i didn't realize that. so is it you me and IG then? or do we have more partners
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I can understand how joking is scummy now.
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I can understand how joking is scummy now.
So you wouldn't mind voting for WW, then?
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I can understand how joking is scummy now.
So you wouldn't mind voting for WW, then?
Ehh. I did kind of start the joking thing. I was moreso thinking in a general context, it's probably not helpful for town to act scummy as a joke.
Has anyone done a reread of him? I'd like to see one. Or are there any particular posts that he's made that people think are scummy? Cause at this point, I kind of agree with XP's opinion on WW.
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Ichi's not happening so :
vote: WW
This is L-1. I'd appreciate it if we waited until Monday before lynching though, I'll have limitd access this week-end.
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Ichi's not happening so :
vote: WW
This is L-1. I'd appreciate it if we waited until Monday before lynching though, I'll have limitd access this week-end.
I could of counted wrong but I think its L-2. ADK chairs me teproc.
Unless I missed a vote
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Am I the only one who wants to lynch Pit?
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I finished rereading XP, he could be scum. I don't want to lynch him over Pit or Hydrad though.
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I don't really like a WW lynch, but I feel like Teproc's going to lynch me tomorrow unless I join the wagon...
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I don't really like a WW lynch, but I feel like Teproc's going to lynch me tomorrow unless I join the wagon...
Wouldn't that happen only if he flips scum? If you think he's going to flip scum, why dislike lynching him?
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I don't really like a WW lynch, but I feel like Teproc's going to lynch me tomorrow unless I join the wagon...
Wouldn't that happen only if he flips scum? If you think he's going to flip scum, why dislike lynching him?
I think either way WW flips, Teproc is probably going to want to lynch me. If he flips scum, and I'm off wagon, I guess I might be a likely partner choice--though that would be pretty insane to be so open about being partners for realz. Otherwise, Teproc wants to lynch me for other reasons I guess, so WW flipping town would make it more likely for me to be scum.
I could do one of XP/pit/Hydrad today though. In about that order of preference.
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We could also just lynch Hydrad, because he's actually scummy. Or Hugo. Or even Pitt. Still not sold on XP.
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Okay, so after that long post of mine, some stuff happened. Mainly this though:
Vote: WW
Everyone do it, quick!
Where did that come from? Also, why do you explain your vote only afterwards, and not directly? I'm really confused...
I don't really like a WW lynch, but I feel like Teproc's going to lynch me tomorrow unless I join the wagon...
I thought you should vote for the one who you suspect the most, not the one which will help you survive most.. That is more something scum would do.
WW, why still me? Any extra reasons for that? I've reacted to most of them, it'd be nice if you could respond so I can defend myself properly.
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Vote: Hydrad
Yeah, I'm apparently the only one who wanted to lynch Pit. I'd still rather lynch Pit if it starts looking like others agree with me, but I'm totally fine with a Hydrad lynch too.
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Okay, so after that long post of mine, some stuff happened. Mainly this though:
Vote: WW
Everyone do it, quick!
Where did that come from? Also, why do you explain your vote only afterwards, and not directly? I'm really confused...
I don't really like a WW lynch, but I feel like Teproc's going to lynch me tomorrow unless I join the wagon...
I thought you should vote for the one who you suspect the most, not the one which will help you survive most.. That is more something scum would do.
WW, why still me? Any extra reasons for that? I've reacted to most of them, it'd be nice if you could respond so I can defend myself properly.
You're correct that a focus on survivability is probably more of a scumtell. I feel strongly that Teproc is setting me up for a mislynch tomorrow though--so just wanted to call attention to it.
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Still not sold on XP.
Why not?
He's been lurking and wagon jumping like crazy.
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Okay, so after that long post of mine, some stuff happened. Mainly this though:
Vote: WW
Everyone do it, quick!
Where did that come from? Also, why do you explain your vote only afterwards, and not directly? I'm really confused...
My original thought was, WW was blending in, he might be scum. The "everyone do it quick thing" was an attempt to get a fast wagon going, 'cuz I like those. And then both WW and Ichi reacted really scummily to the whole thing.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63zPCyKdtEs
Vote Count 2.6
XerxesPrealor (3): Hugovj, Eevee, Ichimaru Gin
Eevee (1): XerxesPraelor
Witherweaver (4): A Drowned Kernel, chairs, Hydrad, Teproc
Hydrad (2): Witherweaver, Awaclus
Not Voting (1): xxpittip
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, December 10th at 10 PM.
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Okay, so after that long post of mine, some stuff happened. Mainly this though:
Vote: WW
Everyone do it, quick!
Where did that come from? Also, why do you explain your vote only afterwards, and not directly? I'm really confused...
I don't really like a WW lynch, but I feel like Teproc's going to lynch me tomorrow unless I join the wagon...
I thought you should vote for the one who you suspect the most, not the one which will help you survive most.. That is more something scum would do.
WW, why still me? Any extra reasons for that? I've reacted to most of them, it'd be nice if you could respond so I can defend myself properly.
Well, I said you said something which seemed pretty direct to me, you claim you didn't, it still looks like you did to me. I don't think much back and forth is going to do much there.
Nothing in that reaction post gives me any kind of a town feel, and it's basically the only thing you've said since your wagon ramped up in the first place. I've already said how I find that suspect. That wagon, by the way, has since stalled and dissipated, which everyone was was talking about being so scummy before~
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Okay, so after that long post of mine, some stuff happened. Mainly this though:
Vote: WW
Everyone do it, quick!
Where did that come from? Also, why do you explain your vote only afterwards, and not directly? I'm really confused...
My original thought was, WW was blending in, he might be scum. The "everyone do it quick thing" was an attempt to get a fast wagon going, 'cuz I like those. And then both WW and Ichi reacted really scummily to the whole thing.
Joking isn't scummy.
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You were in that blitz game with e. Repeated joking about being scum is totally a scumtell.
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You were in that blitz game with e. Repeated joking about being scum is totally a scumtell.
I don't remember that, and it certainly wasnt from me. Weren't you also just in a game with me where I was joking about it as town?
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You were in that blitz game with e. Repeated joking about being scum is totally a scumtell.
I don't remember that, and it certainly wasnt from me. Weren't you also just in a game with me where I was joking about it as town?
You were an IC in that game. e was the one repeatedly joking about being scum, as scum, and he got caught by it.
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Lynch all lurkers!
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You were in that blitz game with e. Repeated joking about being scum is totally a scumtell.
I don't remember that, and it certainly wasnt from me. Weren't you also just in a game with me where I was joking about it as town?
You were an IC in that game. e was the one repeatedly joking about being scum, as scum, and he got caught by it.
I didn't remember the joking at all; it wasn't what made me think e was scum in that game. I actually went back and reread and really didn't get that impression, though at the end of the game e did say he went overboard with it.
I think Ichi has joked about being scum in, like, every one of his recent town games.
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You were in that blitz game with e. Repeated joking about being scum is totally a scumtell.
I don't remember that, and it certainly wasnt from me. Weren't you also just in a game with me where I was joking about it as town?
You were an IC in that game. e was the one repeatedly joking about being scum, as scum, and he got caught by it.
I didn't remember the joking at all; it wasn't what made me think e was scum in that game. I actually went back and reread and really didn't get that impression, though at the end of the game e did say he went overboard with it.
I think Ichi has joked about being scum in, like, every one of his recent town games.
Including this one!
I agree I don't think it's a very good reason to lynch someone. Obviously, I'm not on your wagon. We still have 3 days to lynch someone else--like maybe pit.
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Or Hydrad.
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Or XP.
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Or Ichi.
WW is right about the joking thing, I'll give him that. I thought he was weirdly jokey and off-the-cuff in Death Note, but he was town there, don't think that's a scum tell for him.
I need to catch-up, I'll do that later tonight.
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Or Ichi.
WW is right about the joking thing, I'll give him that. I thought he was weirdly jokey and off-the-cuff in Death Note, but he was town there, don't think that's a scum tell for him.
I need to catch-up, I'll do that later tonight.
Why are you tunneling me?
I won't let myself be mislynched with no case--if you guys really want to kill me today (does anyone else want to?) then I'd like to see a case. I'll claim if I have to, though I don't think it will be especially helpful.
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Or Ichi.
WW is right about the joking thing, I'll give him that. I thought he was weirdly jokey and off-the-cuff in Death Note, but he was town there, don't think that's a scum tell for him.
I need to catch-up, I'll do that later tonight.
Why are you tunneling me?
I won't let myself be mislynched with no case--if you guys really want to kill me today (does anyone else want to?) then I'd like to see a case. I'll claim if I have to, though I don't think it will be especially helpful.
Who is "you guys" ? Isn't there pretty much only me (sadly) ?
What is this talk of claiming ? You're at L-6...
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Or Ichi.
WW is right about the joking thing, I'll give him that. I thought he was weirdly jokey and off-the-cuff in Death Note, but he was town there, don't think that's a scum tell for him.
I need to catch-up, I'll do that later tonight.
Why are you tunneling me?
I won't let myself be mislynched with no case--if you guys really want to kill me today (does anyone else want to?) then I'd like to see a case. I'll claim if I have to, though I don't think it will be especially helpful.
Who is "you guys" ? Isn't there pretty much only me (sadly) ?
What is this talk of claiming ? You're at L-6...
I don't know. There's been a ton of crazy wagons this game that ramp up super quickly oftentimes (to me) without a lot of evidence. With how much shifting that's gone on today, I think it's possible for people to jump on my wagon for whatever reason.
I'm not talking about claiming now, just premptively announcing that I will claim if pushed.
I can admit that my reread of Hugo was biased--and I obviously noted that in the reread itself, so I'm not really sure why that's such a huge scumtell to you. I'll reiterate how I did something similar as town in Dice Mafia after I felt tunneled by town!faust. People also found that reread super scummy and it nearly got me killed.
Why don't you want to lynch out of XP/pit/Hydrad? They've all lurked to one degree or another and XP's wagon jumping has been pretty crazy. I think a lurker lynch is great here. At best, the lurkers are stalling the game and denying information for reads on themselves--and at worst, actively anti-town.
pit hasn't posted in like 2 days and before that for 3 days.
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Teproc, what do you think of Ichi's "we're not lynching WW today" comment?
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Teproc, what do you think of Ichi's "we're not lynching WW today" comment?
Meh. I mean yeah, they could be partners, but that's not particularly useful right now. Other than that, it shows me that Ichi is a little out-of-step with this game, or at least out of step with my perception of this game, and also contradicts himself a little bit since he's now saying that anything could happen at any point.
But really I'm not reading that much into it, that one will only be useful if one of them flips scum.
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Well that's kind of why I want to lynch one of them today.
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That's a pretty fair assessment. I can admit to feeling a little strangely about this game. I'm not really diametrically opposed to WW's lynch so much as think there are a several alternatives that are much, much scummier to me.
I also don't feel that trustworthy of most of the people suspecting him--so there's that too. The fact that you're trying to drive a lynch on me and I know for a fact that you're wrong also makes me feel that WW's townier.
I have always been a supporter of lurker lynches--and I don't think it's good for the game that so many people are lurking. Except no one really seems on board with calling them out on it and actually following through with a lynch. I'd understand a more reads/intuition lynch if we had a scum flip at this point, but we don't. It seems pretty clear to me that you've dismissed lurker lynches out of hand today for some reason.
The XP wagon like died as soon as it began--and he's like not posted at all since then.
I'm gonna do a post count now I think.
PPE: 1
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I think I'm back to Ichi. I actually disagree with ADK's assesment that WW and Ichi reacted scummilly to the WW quickwagon, WW's reaction reminded me a lot of his play in Death Note, kinda assuming his wagon will just go away.
Meanwhile I've reread the couple of pages and Ichi is too scummy for me to ignore.
I feel strongly that Teproc is setting me up for a mislynch tomorrow though--so just wanted to call attention to it.
This is a huge red flag to me. I'm the only player really interesting in lynching him and he's obsessed with it. Why ? It would make some sense if he thought I was doing it because I'm scum, but he was actually getting a null to townie read on me around the same time. Yet he's using scum language about me, because only scum wants to "set up mislynches". Even if you take the "mis" out of there, that's not something town does, ever. So Ichi is saying I'm scum, but doesn't want to fully commit to it because he doesn't see a lot of support there.
Honestly, one of the major reasons why I felt so scummy about you was your overreaction earlier.
This is adressed to Hugovj, but that's not what matters here. What matters is that it's exactly what Ichi has been doing all game (overreacting to pressure), and I do think it is generally a scum trait to suspect people for things you're doing. When you're town, you see people doing the same thing you're doing, you tend to think they're townie for it, because hey, you're doing it as town ! When you're scum the reverse is true, now you might argue that you probably don't want to act on this because it might bring suspicion to you, but it can be an unconscious thing too. I've certainly find myself going for cases that I realized could be applied to me as scum without even realizing it.
Ichi is also arguing that derphammers can be good for town, which I don't even. Things might have gone differently on day 1 if sudgy's claim had been verifiable somehow (which it might have depending on what his JOAT powers were). I guess that's not scummy as much as it's just wrong, so whatever.
Then there's the fact that he was going strongly after Hugovj, saying stuff like
Back to vote: Hugo.
I feel very confident about this lynch.
and
You aren't voting for Hugo are you?
I think someone should hammer him.
But then once it turns out he's not at L-1 and people aren't too fond of his lynch (Eevee and me were both arguing against it), and then he switches to XP, someone who was already a popular target beforehand (had 2 votes on him at this point), and now pit, another "easy" lynch that you can't really blame him for after because hey, pit was a lurker.
It seems to me that Ichi is really trying to manufacture his position into something that will carry a lynch through, and that just can't be town play.
vote : Ichi
PPE : 2
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I have always been a supporter of lurker lynches--and I don't think it's good for the game that so many people are lurking. Except no one really seems on board with calling them out on it and actually following through with a lynch. I'd understand a more reads/intuition lynch if we had a scum flip at this point, but we don't. It seems pretty clear to me that you've dismissed lurker lynches out of hand today for some reason.
Lurker lynches are less likely to lead to a scum flip than reads-based lynches. So just lynching lurkers until one of them flips scum and you can do better lynches doesn't really work.
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Well that's kind of why I want to lynch one of them today.
I don't love that. If whoever you lynch flips town then what was that for ? Obviously if one of them flips scum that's great, but then lynching scum is great anyway, so you should just ignore that kind of stuff and focus on lynching whoever's most likely to be scum.
Of course in this case I think they're both good lynches, I'm just saying that reasoning isn't part of it at all for me.
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I guess we don't have to agree on why, we just have to agree.
vote: Ichi
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Post Count 1.0
Note: this does not include pre-game posts.
Teproc: 121
Witherweaver: 101
Ichimaru Gin: 99
A Drowned Kernel: 78
Hydrad: 62
Eevee: 52
chairs: 45
XerxesPraelor: 21
Beyond Awesome+Awaclus: 8+13=21
xxpittip: 19
Hugovj: 17
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ADK was my top scumread at the start of today--I think he's pretty townie now.
Teproc, I accuse you of reading what you want to see when it comes to your case on me. Also "don't worry, your lynch isn't going to happen today even though I'm pushing it super hard. Oh wait, now it's happening!"
I disagree completely when it comes to lurker lynches. I think in a vacuum, lurkers are more likely to be scum and should thus be preferred lynches over non-lurkers. Obviously, that strategy is working to their advantage since they haven't gotten much heat except from me.
I can hope that my wagon will die off like the 4 others we've had today, but the closer we get to deadline, wagons are more likely to go through than earlier ones--which completely sucks.
If you're town, hopefully you can read me better next time and not tunnel me. Obviously I've gotten a lot of suspicion over time for being overly reactive. I've done it as both town and scum and people generally respond poorly to it. Yet now, for someone aside from me, it's suddenly a town tell! And I am so scummy for thinking otherwise. Really. Reactiveness is a huge part of my meta, but I've never made it out to be a town tell for everyone. And it's not even a town tell for me anymore either.
Well, since I've actually been participating in this game. When/if you guys lynch me, you'll at least have that info. That's actually a good argument to not lynch lurkers I guess.
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Also. I'm a VT. So another good reason to lynch me I guess.
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Also. I'm a VT. So another good reason to lynch me I guess.
Why did you feel like you needed to claim so early?
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Also. I'm a VT. So another good reason to lynch me I guess.
Why did you feel like you needed to claim so early?
I'd talked about it for awhile. I'm incredibly annoyed that people are trying to focus attention on me when there are so many people getting away with obv scum play.
I don't really want to get bogged down in some pointless discussion about my meta or the stupid case on me. So I figure this is the next best thing. I'm a VT, you guys won't lose a ton if you lynch me. I'm not going to fakeclaim a PR or anything like they probably expected me to. Also, everyone seems to think that like everyone's a PR in this setup, but I'm at least not. So maybe there are less PR's than people think.
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Out of the lurkers, who would you like to lynch most?
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Also, what was your song?
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Out of the lurkers, who would you like to lynch most?
At this point--definitely XP with xxpittip as a semi-close second.
XP's defense to the accusation against him was like "Nope. You're wrong." And then he just continued on his merry lurking and sheeping way. Also, it looks like he and WW have each other's backs (I guess the same could be said of me). Also, his wagon dying so quickly is also suspicious to me.
There's also Awaclus who I like forgot was in this game.
PPE: 1
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Also, what was your song?
I'm not going to claim my song, since I want it to be a surprise when I flip.
I will say that the connection between it and me being a VT is pretty logical. I picked my song based purely on the fact that I liked it and the specific youtube video accompanying the version I selected. In hindsight, if I was thinking about it more, I guess I could have maybe anticipated being a VT.
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Also, what was your song?
I'm not going to claim my song, since I want it to be a surprise when I flip.
I will say that the connection between it and me being a VT is pretty logical. I picked my song based purely on the fact that I liked it and the specific youtube video accompanying the version I selected. In hindsight, if I was thinking about it more, I guess I could have maybe anticipated being a VT.
What's the advantage of having it be a surprise? If it connects you to VT, wouldn't it be good to let us know now?
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Also: what scum claims VT in a RMM game?
Well, okay, you have some WIFOM there.
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Eh. I guess it can't hurt--and the version you'll get when/if I flip should be fun. I won't quote directly from my PM since that's not allowed but I'll paraphrase it.
I am "Leave Out All The Rest" by Linkin Park.
Basically my PM noted that the song title is like leaving stuff out so I was left out of getting powers and have nothing left but being a VT. Something like that.
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Man Linkin Park is lame :(
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Man Linkin Park is lame :(
Thanks? :P
When it comes to music, there's not any particular group/artist that I like much or most of what they do or have any loyalty to. Although there are definitely some that I hate everything they produce.
I listen to individual songs and don't really care who does them so long as I like them. Honestly, there's not a single other song by them I can name, but I like this one. Yeah it's mainstream, what can I say? I listen to all types of music and don't really care about genre or relative popularity all so long as I like listening to that individual song.
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I do appreciate you keeping it real though. There were several other much less well known songs I was considering, but I decided on this one for a good reason I think.
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There's also Awaclus who I like forgot was in this game.
He replaced BA, who was very inactive. He's been pretty lurky since then, which isn't doing him any favors in terms of towniness.
Also: what scum claims VT in a RMM game?
Well, okay, you have some WIFOM there.
This isn't RMM? But yeah, I think scum makes something up to claim, so unvote
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Oh, huh, weird, I had thought this was RMM. But closed setup, I guess, so freedom for fakeclaims.
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I do appreciate you keeping it real though. There were several other much less well known songs I was considering, but I decided on this one for a good reason I think.
This doesn't mean you didn't hurt my feelings though :'(
I swear I don't normally listen to mainstream music. You have to believe me!
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He replaced BA, who was very inactive. He's been pretty lurky since then, which isn't doing him any favors in terms of towniness.
I don't think there's anything I can really say. I don't know what to think of Ichi and WW, and I've already said that I want to lynch Pit or Hydrad, which is still true.
I swear I don't normally listen to mainstream music. You have to believe me!
Mainstream music isn't necessarily lame, just Linking Park. :P
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Why?
I mean, I don't really follow them (or any group for that matter) at all, so don't really know what sort of music they normally produce. I also think it's a little closed minded to say that every song that a particular artist has ever made sucks/is bad. There are certainly some musicians like that out there, but I don't think this group is one of them. Unless there's some huge thing I'm unaware of that makes everyone secretly hate every song they have ever made.
I'm aware this isn't directly related to the game, but then again I didn't start this discussion either. And it is music mafia
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Can I only receive euphonious musical support when I die and go to speccy-heaven?
Surely someone(s) there have to not hate my song choice.
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Fine.
I'm going to sleep soon and going to vote: XP if I wasn't already.
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Can I only receive euphonious musical support when I die and go to speccy-heaven?
Surely someone(s) there have to not hate my song choice.
I'm largely indifferent to Linkin Park. I think people hate it because it's popular.
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I didn't know they were popular. I just remember hearing some of their songs on the radio back in the late 90s or so, and I found them obnoxious.
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Man Linkin Park is lame :(
What? Wrong!
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IG is getting very worked up for a VT not that close to being lynched, but I wouldn't expect scum to ever claim VT here. Not feeling the Ichi lynch, the case has valid
points but I'm calling scummy town here.
Also what the heck, Linkin Park is awesome. Hybrid Theory was the second album I ever bought, and it's still probably in top 10.
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That being said, I haven't heard any of the new stuff or Ichi's song.
Still, don't listen to the haters Ichi! In general telling someone music they likes sucks is just about the lamest thing one can do.
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You're the best Eevee! :)
I really hope you're town here. I feel pretty confident that you are.
Also, I hope people are taking a look at my post count to see just how insane some people's lurking is.
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Lurking aside, I think that I'm back at vote: WW for now.
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The WW case is lackluster.
Like, I agree with it, but also think it needs more meat to go through today, with how scummy XP (or pit) is being.
ADK, why not xp?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a90iFWZqZR4
Vote Count 2.7
XerxesPrealor (3): Hugovj, Eevee, Ichimaru Gin
Eevee (1): XerxesPraelor
Witherweaver (3): chairs, Hydrad, A Drowned Kernel
Hydrad (2): Witherweaver, Awaclus
Ichimaru Gin (1): Teproc
Not Voting (1): xxpittip
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, December 10th at 10 PM.
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The WW case is lackluster.
Like, I agree with it, but also think it needs more meat to go through today, with how scummy XP (or pit) is being.
ADK, why not xp?
I could go for XP. For some reason I thought WW had more people voting for him, but apparently with me on WW they're even. I want to hear all these lurkers say something, though.
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pit hasn't posted in like 2 days and before that for 3 days.
I announced that i wouldn't have time to post... I just read what happened in that time (and reread a few days) and i think XP is the best person to lynch right now. He didn't really seem scummy to me until recently but there are some things that i think look scummy:
1. He doesn't give any reasons for his opinions, when he posts about someone / votes for someone.
2. He doesn't react to anyone voting for him.
3. sheeping at first, then voting for the person that was propably the least suspected by anyone (eevee).
4. I agree that lurking might be an attractive strategy for scum and i don't really have an excuse for lurking myself.
Vote: XP
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Reread IG half; don't see much content, and what I do see fits into a scum narrative, I know he talks more later, though, so no vote yet.
Pit, if I followed your advice I'd be voting you.
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I prefer Pit to XP.
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Reread IG half; don't see much content, and what I do see fits into a scum narrative, I know he talks more later, though, so no vote yet.
Pit, if I followed your advice I'd be voting you.
How ironic and...expected I guess?
double OMGUS is your defense?
XP is a significantly better wagon than pit. I don't see why anyone thinks otherwise unless they're trying to protect their partner.
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pit hasn't posted in like 2 days and before that for 3 days.
I announced that i wouldn't have time to post... I just read what happened in that time (and reread a few days) and i think XP is the best person to lynch right now. He didn't really seem scummy to me until recently but there are some things that i think look scummy:
1. He doesn't give any reasons for his opinions, when he posts about someone / votes for someone.
2. He doesn't react to anyone voting for him.
3. sheeping at first, then voting for the person that was propably the least suspected by anyone (eevee).
4. I agree that lurking might be an attractive strategy for scum and i don't really have an excuse for lurking myself.
Vote: XP
This makes me want to vote for XP a lot less.
XP is a significantly better wagon than pit. I don't see why anyone thinks otherwise unless they're trying to protect their partner.
This makes me want to vote for Ichi a lot more.
It looks like the Hydrad thing isn't going anywhere either, so I'll just go back to voting for Pit. vote: Pit
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All this irrational opposition to XP's lynch based only on other people attacking him makes me want to vote XP even more. What has he done that's actually townie?
I feel confident that he is scum and should be today's lynch. The sheer number of people stepping in and trying to deflect the suspicion on him makes me very suspicious.
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pit hasn't posted in like 2 days and before that for 3 days.
I announced that i wouldn't have time to post... I just read what happened in that time (and reread a few days) and i think XP is the best person to lynch right now. He didn't really seem scummy to me until recently but there are some things that i think look scummy:
1. He doesn't give any reasons for his opinions, when he posts about someone / votes for someone.
2. He doesn't react to anyone voting for him.
3. sheeping at first, then voting for the person that was propably the least suspected by anyone (eevee).
4. I agree that lurking might be an attractive strategy for scum and i don't really have an excuse for lurking myself.
Vote: XP
This makes me want to vote for XP a lot less.
XP is a significantly better wagon than pit. I don't see why anyone thinks otherwise unless they're trying to protect their partner.
This makes me want to vote for Ichi a lot more.
It looks like the Hydrad thing isn't going anywhere either, so I'll just go back to voting for Pit. vote: Pit
Why are you so 100% sure XP is town? / Why are so sure about me being scum?
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XP's at L-2 now. Just two more votes...
Join us!
Also, I love how many people are finding people scummy for voting XP. It's ludicrous. I really, really hope he flips scum--because I think his partners are defending him super obviously.
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Also. Where are Hydrad, chairs, and Hugo?
The lurkers are like trading off now.
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I feel confident that he is scum and should be today's lynch. The sheer number of people stepping in and trying to deflect the suspicion on him makes me very suspicious.
Yeah, all six of us who aren't XP himself or voting for him are totally his scum partners.
Why are you so 100% sure XP is town? / Why are so sure about me being scum?
I'm not 100% sure XP is town. But I'm pretty sure you're scum, and I don't think you would join a wagon on your partner in this situation. And why, well, you've been lurking a lot and having peculiar interactions with people.
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I feel confident that he is scum and should be today's lynch. The sheer number of people stepping in and trying to deflect the suspicion on him makes me very suspicious.
Yeah, all six of us who aren't XP himself or voting for him are totally his scum partners.
Why are you so 100% sure XP is town? / Why are so sure about me being scum?
I'm not 100% sure XP is town. But I'm pretty sure you're scum, and I don't think you would join a wagon on your partner in this situation. And why, well, you've been lurking a lot and having peculiar interactions with people.
"having peculiar interactions with people" is it even possible to be less specific than that? And if i were XP's scum partner i'd have no problem with voting or even hammering him just to get people to trust me.
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I feel confident that he is scum and should be today's lynch. The sheer number of people stepping in and trying to deflect the suspicion on him makes me very suspicious.
Yeah, all six of us who aren't XP himself or voting for him are totally his scum partners.
Why are you so 100% sure XP is town? / Why are so sure about me being scum?
I'm not 100% sure XP is town. But I'm pretty sure you're scum, and I don't think you would join a wagon on your partner in this situation. And why, well, you've been lurking a lot and having peculiar interactions with people.
Ha. No, but those of you (yourself and WW are mainly coming to mind) who are defending XP for such poor reasons and so vehemently are more likely I think.
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I don't think I'm defending XP for poor reasons; I just don't get a scum feeling from him, and no one has been very convincing in their arguments.
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Also. The way you twist my words to say something obviously different (everyone who isn't voting XP is a likely partner) vs. "Those defending XP right now are more likely his partners if he flips scum". Is pretty scummy. Sure, it's always possible for scum to bus, although you don't seem to think that they would bus here--which makes this statement even more strange.
PPE: Yeah you're right. You're moreso hedging against his wagon than defending him.
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Well, I guess hedging and being unsure look a lot the same. I think I have a pretty good track record of finding scum!XP, though, and this doesn't seem all that much like his scum game.
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Well, I guess hedging and being unsure look a lot the same. I think I have a pretty good track record of finding scum!XP, though, and this doesn't seem all that much like his scum game.
How so? I'm not the best at reading XP, but he seems really scummy to me here.
How is his play in this game different from how he normally plays scum?
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vote: XP.
I'll buy it.
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I feel confident that he is scum and should be today's lynch. The sheer number of people stepping in and trying to deflect the suspicion on him makes me very suspicious.
Yeah, all six of us who aren't XP himself or voting for him are totally his scum partners.
Why are you so 100% sure XP is town? / Why are so sure about me being scum?
I'm not 100% sure XP is town. But I'm pretty sure you're scum, and I don't think you would join a wagon on your partner in this situation. And why, well, you've been lurking a lot and having peculiar interactions with people.
Ha. No, but those of you (yourself and WW are mainly coming to mind) who are defending XP for such poor reasons and so vehemently are more likely I think.
I'm not defending XP, I'm attacking Pit. XP could be scum if Pit is voting for his partner, but I wouldn't make that play if I was in the same place. We're not yet in the situation where an XP lynch is inevitable anyway -> better vote for your partner there to make yourself look less scummy, but it's already late enough that it's going to be super awkward to leave the wagon later if it starts looking like we might actually lynch XP unless you do something about it. So you're basically just making your partners death this much more likely by voting for him now, and then there will be a scum flip and one less scum player in the game, and the only thing you achieve is being on the wagon in a towny place yourself. It doesn't sound like a good play to me, but well, maybe it is.
You, on the other hand, sound like you're defending Pit. As soon as people started saying that they want to lynch Pit, you were like "NO WE MUST LYNCH XP".
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Well, I guess hedging and being unsure look a lot the same. I think I have a pretty good track record of finding scum!XP, though, and this doesn't seem all that much like his scum game.
How so? I'm not the best at reading XP, but he seems really scummy to me here.
How is his play in this game different from how he normally plays scum?
I don't even know if I can explain it..
Okay maybe I can.
Okay, quick thoughts. I'll read thoroughly later.
Don't like flavor claim.
Sudgy's scummy for suggesting something that could actually work that's anti-town.
Whoever started the sudgy wagon is scummy because sudgy tends to get lynched when people make cases on him.
Right off the bat, this is a town XP thing to say.. just, like, unfettered thoughts, no real care to how people react to what he says. Scum XP is more constructed.
Town read on ADK because I'd normally find that scummy.
Yeah, vote: hydrad looks good. Payback time! ;)
Upon reread, sudgy actually does look quite scummy for reasons I can't talk about. I'd be okay lynching him too.
Um, that's quite OMGUS. You probably know what I'm talking about - I don't want to spill it out now, but I will tomorrow depending on circumstances. It's not hidden information, per se, just something I don't want to talk about yet.
Of course, I realize you tend to react strongly to cases you think are bad, so no scumpoints for your reaction, don't worry. It's not strong evidence either, just something.
I've been kind of demoralized, but since I only have this game now, I ought to be able to devote my whole attention to it. From gut, I think sudgy is a better lynch than ADK, but we really need info.
I'd be willing to hammer whoever's at L-1.
More of the same.
Man, reading back, I'm feeling town stronger and stronger. Whomever said XP wasn't being his usual controversial self wasn't correct. He is his usual (town) self here. "I'd be willing to hammer whoever's at L-1" isn't something scum says too often. The only thing is that he's been lurkier than usual, and so we haven't seen that much interaction with him.
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Okay, now I guess I am defending XP. Shields up, captain.
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I figure if we lynch XP, it gives us some pretty sweet data on who might be scum, so I'm willing to go for the potential mislynch just to see the flip what with all the strong, strong reactions.
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I figure if we lynch XP, it gives us some pretty sweet data on who might be scum, so I'm willing to go for the potential mislynch just to see the flip what with all the strong, strong reactions.
So, this is a good idea, right?
I intend to hammer
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Phone posting.
I agree with chairs.
@Awaclus, but why is pit scummier than XP?
@WW thanks for the reply. I'll respond to it when I can get back to a computer.
PPE: 1
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Are we lynching XP? I'm ride-by posting but I can hammer later tonight.
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Why everyone isn't voting chi this game is just beyond me.
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We have been letting VT claims off the hook recently (Robz in Stack the Deck, chairs in Homeland, I think there was another one), also why oh why would town!Ichi claim at L-4 ? That makes no sense at all. Survivability isn't scummy, but we are forgetting how freaking anti-town a VT claim is here : it is awful for town. It's worse than a PR randomly claiming out of nowhere.
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Because Chi is obv. town.
did you reread?
ppe:1
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Yeah, i'm tunneling. Whatever. Tunneling is fine when it's on scum.
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Yeah i'm caught up, we're apparently lynching XP. That's... fine I guess ? The fact that you're all for it is worrying me but hey, maybe I'm completely wrong about you, that can always happen.
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I like this better than you being so incredibly sure I'm scum. Wanna hammer?
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Also. I think there's a good chance I'll die tonight.
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I like this better than you being so incredibly sure I'm scum. Wanna hammer?
I'm saying I'm intellectually able to recognize the possibility you're not scum. I fonly because the last time I said stuff like "you're definitely scum", I was wrong.
PPE : lol
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I'm not super interested in hammering no. I mean XP is better than no lynch for sure, he's reasonably scummy, and I'd do it if we were closer to deadline, but there's still a hope we'll lynch you instead.
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Actually no, since Awaclus stated intent to hammer. We're waiting for XP's claim then.
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When I flip town, how will that affect your reads?
ppe:1
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When I flip town, how will that affect your reads?
ppe:1
Hard to say. I'd have to reread. One of the things I'd be looking for is who encouraged me to tunnel you but that's exactly no one at the moment (ADK briefly I guess).
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I'd still rather a WW/Hugo vote at this point. I think they are more scummy then XP.
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I'd still rather a WW/Hugo vote at this point. I think they are more scummy then XP.
Do you have an opinion on Ichi ?
Also, could you elaborate on those things above while you're at it ?
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I'd still rather a WW/Hugo vote at this point. I think they are more scummy then XP.
Right, because you're XP's partner.
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Yes!
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Oh and WW : I was the one who said XP wasn't being controversial. He's been super-sheepy this game. I don't see anything town!XP-like in what you quoted in your reread post.
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I'd still rather a WW/Hugo vote at this point. I think they are more scummy then XP.
Do you have an opinion on Ichi ?
Also, could you elaborate on those things above while you're at it ?
Well Hugo is my top scum read right now. I don't know why everyone just stopped voting him. I don't think he really did to much to seem towny it more feels like people forgot about him and just built other cases. WW is up there also but if a Hugo wagon got going I would rather go on that one again.
On Ichi hes still townyish for me and don't really want to lynch him. Although its weird for town to claim VT that early I think its even weirder for scum to claim that early.
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Yes!
or he could be my partner too I guess
ppe: 2
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I'd still rather a WW/Hugo vote at this point. I think they are more scummy then XP.
Right, because you're XP's partner.
We're all XP's partner. This is a closed setup after all, so who knows, maybe XP's a cult and has recruited everyone N1 except Ichi.
So we win if we lynch Ichi, great !
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Why everyone isn't voting chi this game is just beyond me.
Man, what has been scummy about Ichi? Have you ever played with him before?
Is this like reverse Mafia where we only vote for the people who are least likely to be scum?
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Oh and WW : I was the one who said XP wasn't being controversial. He's been super-sheepy this game. I don't see anything town!XP-like in what you quoted in your reread post.
But it's all town!XP-like!
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Why everyone isn't voting chi this game is just beyond me.
Man, what has been scummy about Ichi? Have you ever played with him before?
Is this like reverse Mafia where we only vote for the people who are least likely to be scum?
I have, and I don't usually feel like he's screaming "I'M SCUM LYNCH ME" every post.
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We have been letting VT claims off the hook recently (Robz in Stack the Deck, chairs in Homeland, I think there was another one), also why oh why would town!Ichi claim at L-4 ? That makes no sense at all. Survivability isn't scummy, but we are forgetting how freaking anti-town a VT claim is here : it is awful for town. It's worse than a PR randomly claiming out of nowhere.
Wasn't Robz town in Stack the Deck?
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Yes. My point isn't that scum does that, it's that we have recently let claimed VTs live on the assumption that scum won't claim VT. That was correct in those cases, but now that we've established it, scum will manipulate it.
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Yes. My point isn't that scum does that, it's that we have recently let claimed VTs live on the assumption that scum won't claim VT. That was correct in those cases, but now that we've established it, scum will manipulate it.
Ah, okay. It also depends on who is doing it, though. I'm a lot more suspicious of it coming from a Robz or Ash then from Ichi.
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I wouldn't be too suspicious of it either if it hadn't come at L-4 or whatever. Ichi's been around long enough to understand how bad claiming VT is for town, I don't think he'd do it for no reason like he did here. The only reason for doing it here was survival, which is scummy when it's taken to that extreme.
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And to avoid too much time wasted trying to mislynch me. I indicated for a long time I would claim.
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Um, I never took your indications as "I will claim as soon as I get two votes". I took it as laying the ground for a fakeclaim, but one that would come at L-1, possibly with intent to hammer.
Town doesn't want to claim. Especially VT.
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This is a bit adversarial, but in any case, I didn't even consider the possiblity that you would claim with two votes on you, because no.
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Okay, I was starting to believe Ichi was town, but that claim is kind of weird.. He was on what, L-4? I think just one player tunneling isn't a great reason to claim already. So, yeah, I don't know what to think about that. I don't like it, that's for sure, but I'm not sure whether it makes Ichi scummier.
In the meantime, XP has posted another, basically empty post, making me like my vote more where it is.
I'd still rather a WW/Hugo vote at this point. I think they are more scummy then XP.
Do you have an opinion on Ichi ?
Also, could you elaborate on those things above while you're at it ?
Well Hugo is my top scum read right now. I don't know why everyone just stopped voting him. I don't think he really did to much to seem towny it more feels like people forgot about him and just built other cases. WW is up there also but if a Hugo wagon got going I would rather go on that one again.
On Ichi hes still townyish for me and don't really want to lynch him. Although its weird for town to claim VT that early I think its even weirder for scum to claim that early.
Mmm.. Great case? I tried to defend myself and then people apparently believed me. Just saying I'm your scum read doesn't make it more sensible, it seems like it comes down to more of a gut feel. Which is fine, but not something I'd say is a reason to make me your top priority to lynch, there has been other stuff happening.
I must say I can see a scum team Hydrad/XP, but yeah, still too early to talk about that.
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XP's at L-2 now. Just two more votes...
Join us!
Also, I love how many people are finding people scummy for voting XP. It's ludicrous. I really, really hope he flips scum--because I think his partners are defending him super obviously.
When I flip, IG will say "But I wouldn't be so bold about it scum, now would I?" That's a bad defense.
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XP, there's an intent to hammer on you, you should claim (or refuse to claim I guess, just amking sure you're aware of Awaclus' intent to hammer).
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I'm here and also intenting to hammer.
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XP's at L-2 now. Just two more votes...
Join us!
Also, I love how many people are finding people scummy for voting XP. It's ludicrous. I really, really hope he flips scum--because I think his partners are defending him super obviously.
When I flip, IG will say "But I wouldn't be so bold about it scum, now would I?" That's a bad defense.
Well, then give us a reason to prevent that form happening, please.. Also, foreshadowing isn't really useful now. It might be later, but you can't predict how other people will react and react to that before they reacted to the thing.
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I hadn't cotton to that yet. I'm VT; my gguess at the scum team is IG/Hydrad/Teproc. I think ww's thing could be white-knighting, but then again, the way he does it (building a case) makes it feel better. It's easier to do that sort of things for gut reasons. Ignore my sudgy thing. Lynch lurkers. Bye.
PPE: J can't make that argument when I'm dead, so I have to make it now.
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So the scumteam is 3 of the 4 most active people in this game (Hydrad surprisingly being 4th on Ichi's post count), but we should lynch lurkers ?
Right.
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This does mean my song will get to play, but getting lynched all the time is really annoying.
What makes me suspicious of IG is that he said D1 that I'm an easy mislynch (showing that he knows that) and then later tries to get me mislynchef.
PPE: I guess swap Hydrad to Awalcus maybe? Or pit?
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Stealing the hammer from Awaclus and ADK : vote: XP
Ichi, the good news for you is that if XP flips scum, you might get townier to me, beucase I don't think you're realistic partners, at least on first glance. Which is why I'd rather lynch you than XP, but well...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S94ohyErSw
PPE : Why are Ichi and I scum ? Actually leave out the Ichi part I already got that one, but I'm curious why you think i'm bussing him if you're town.
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Busses aren't a big deal - hammering without warning is scummy even if other people would do it.
My guesses won't be followed anyways, so you don't need to worry. I'm just posting publicly to trace how good my gut reads are.
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I managed to get 2/3 even that time I was so wrong about Eevee, and I want to see if I can match or better that.
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Busses aren't a big deal - hammering without warning is scummy even if other people would do it.
My guesses won't be followed anyways, so you don't need to worry. I'm just posting publicly to trace how good my gut reads are.
I don't... if you're town, why don't you explain those reads ? Maybe they won't be followed (I'm hoping half of them will), but what's the downside ?
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I mean if you're scum I understand that you don't want to put the effort of putting a fake case forward, but if you're town you should do it while we're in twilight.
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I explained one above, my reasons for you is mainly gut, and I think at least one scum is semi-lurking, and of the lurkers I agree with the general town consensus.
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I mean if you're scum I understand that you don't want to put the effort of putting a fake case forward, but if you're town you should do it while we're in twilight.
If I were scum I wouldn't be posting, out of fear of giving my partners away. Not even this way, because it would make some connection between us.
I know I'm bad at making cases - the times I try end up doing nothing, what's the point.
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I can point out particular things like that Awalcus looks more whiteknighty than ww, or the way IG treated me D1 shows that he thinks of me (correctly) as an easy mislynch, but I already said that.
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I don't think chairs is scummy for putting me to L-1.
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The number of people who want me lynched (L+2) really should have shown you guys that I wasn't scum. That's another reason that hammer was scummy. You really think all but two people want to lynch someone who's done almost nothing scummy? That's basically every single scum bussing!
Said enough yet?
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Scum busses all the time. You just said so.
I'm feeling very good with my hammer right now actually.
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But all of them?
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Scum busses all the time. You just said so.
I'm feeling very good with my hammer right now actually.
Why? I'm town.
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I like your way of approaching Mafia, but I really don't see why you find me so scummy.
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Flip please?
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You only have two partners. My guess is one of them is bussing (not sure which, haven't looked at your interactions with Ichi), then the other one is off-wagon, WW for example.
PPE : I find you scummy because I really disagree with WW's assesment from a fewposts ago. You've been sheepy, reminded me a lot of your play in Death note. Maybe I'm wrong, but your post-lynch WIFOMing is making me feel better about it. Maybe Ichi is town after all ?
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I'm sheepy all the time. If I see a post I agree with, I vote for the same person. I'm not afraid to for someone else's reason. I do aggressively join wagons as scum (that BM game was super fun) but sheeping is a mull tell for me. What you're doing right now is the real WIFOM, and I urge town to not believe it.
My interactions with IG is what I find him scummy for. This is going nowhere, though. Anyone else here I can talk to? I do want to be useful.
Also, I don't do this as scum. At all. It's basically pointless, because people will just ignore everything I say as soon as I flip, and I risk clearing townies or implicating my scumbuddies.
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teproc, it looks very much like xp is town.
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teproc, it looks very much like xp is town.
Meh, I've been surprised by how much scum talks in twilight before (silverspawn in ASOIAF comes to mind). I still think he's scum, not entirely sure what he's trying to accomplish though.
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I'm not silverspawn. I get annoyed by WIFOM instead of revelling in it the way silverspawn does
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I don't think chairs is scummy for putting me to L-1.
Well thanks! I do think your flip will be informative as all get out.
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I'm seeing Pitt become scummier, Teproc .. well, I don't get why he was so certain about XP. Possible scum. Chairs no read.. IG still probably town.. who else was on the XP wagon? Hugo and Hydrad are my other top scum reads.. did they say anything about XP?
Was Eevee on XP?
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I was, second on the wagon iirc.
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Wow. A lot happened. I agree with Teproc's hammer--though I won't say it didn't surprise me. He made the right call imo.
I think XP's gonna flip scum.
The number of people who want me lynched (L+2) really should have shown you guys that I wasn't scum. That's another reason that hammer was scummy. You really think all but two people want to lynch someone who's done almost nothing scummy? That's basically every single scum bussing!
Said enough yet?
What about all the people that didn't want to lynch you? Teproc really didn't seem to for a while, neither did WW or Awaclus. There was more than a little opposition to your lynch--though most of it not by you.
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Also. Isn't that kind of the definition of a lynch? More people wanting to lynch you than not?
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Sorry for triple post. Just this argument makes so little sense to me. Basically, it's so scummy that we lynched you because there were enough people that wanted to vote for you. Why are you painting it as if WW and Awaclus weren't defending you? Also, Hydrad never really seemed to like your wagon either.
Also. It should be noted that threatening to hammer isn't the same thing as hammering. The fact that Teproc actually hammered makes him much townier than ADK or Awaclus to me. If you flip scum, they can always say "Oh, I meant to hammer, look I even said it right there! But I didn't because x".
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Thread Locked.
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Vote Count 2.FINAL
XerxesPrealor (6): Hugovj, Eevee, Ichimaru Gin, xxpittip, chairs, Teproc
Eevee (1): XerxesPraelor
Witherweaver (2): Hydrad, A Drowned Kernel
Hydrad (1): Witherweaver
xxpittip (1): Awaclus
Not Voting (0):
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, December 10th at 10 PM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpPm1cxy2B0
XerxesPrealor, who was Let all Mortal Flesh Keep Silence by John Rutter a Vanilla Townie has been lynched!
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N2 start! Please submit any and all night actions to me by Wednesday, December 10th at 8 PM. Players who haven't 'checked in' with me by that time risk replacement.
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Everyone awakes and listens as the chorus dies down. The trumpets stop blaring, the guitar strings stop plucking, and the drums stop pounding. All is quiet...maybe a little TOO quiet.
No one died.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOhGevqqA1I
Day 2 start!
Not Voting (10): xxpittip, Witherweaver, Hugovj, chairs, Eevee, Beyond Awesome, Ichimaru Gin, Teproc, A Drowned Kernel, Hydrad
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 3 ends Saturday, December 20th at 11 PM.
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Thread Unlocked!
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Whoo! Still alive. Interesting there was no nightkill--we can use that for sure!
Also completely sucks that we mislynched again :(
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yay always nice to wake up in the morning to see that none of my friends have been brutally murdered in their sleep.
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Also. Just a heads up. I'll be awake for maybe another hour. I have a final early tomorrow morning and then other projects to work on, so will likely be low activity tomorrow.
So you guys better not mislynch me while I'm gone.
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Also. Just a heads up. I'll be awake for maybe another hour. I have a final early tomorrow morning and then other projects to work on, so will likely be low activity tomorrow.
So you guys better not mislynch me while I'm gone.
Pshh finals. those aren't important.
Good luck!!!
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Okay, so Pit is super scummy now. I don't remember if I thought Teproc was towny before, but now I'm pretty sure he's town.
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....interesting.
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....interesting.
Anything in particular?
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Okay, so Pit is super scummy now.
vote: Awaclus
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Okay, so Pit is super scummy now. I don't remember if I thought Teproc was towny before, but now I'm pretty sure he's town.
Reasons?
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Okay, so Pit is super scummy now. I don't remember if I thought Teproc was towny before, but now I'm pretty sure he's town.
Reasons?
Pit has been super scummy for the entire game. I think that joining the XP wagon at that time is also something that scum might do. I don't think that hammering when other people could have hammered is something that scum would do, so that's why I think Teproc is probably town.
Also, I should probably vote too. vote: Pit
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Okay, so Pit is super scummy now.
vote: Awaclus
I don't get it. And, I agree with Awaclus.
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I need to reread, I've been way wrong twice in a row now, I'm missing something this game.
Awaclus, WW : why pit ?
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I need to reread, I've been way wrong twice in a row now, I'm missing something this game.
Awaclus, WW : why pit ?
Scummy position on the XP wagon, scummy voting history in general*, not many posts, but every vote post carefully outlines the reasons for the vote.
*Okay I need to actually check this, but I recall a lot of sliding onto wagons in the middle without attracting a lot of attention.
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Scummy position on the XP wagon, scummy voting history in general*, not many posts, but every vote post carefully outlines the reasons for the vote.
*Okay I need to actually check this, but I recall a lot of sliding onto wagons in the middle without attracting a lot of attention.
Uhm, could you explain the last part? It doesn't sound particularly scummy to me? Explaining your votes seems a good way to streamline thoughts and share them with others?
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So the idea is this. When you're scum, you think that everything you do needs to be carefully thought out, because you're worrying that it has to come under scrutiny. Therefore, if you vote for someone you have to have a good reason, and you feel pressure to make sure that every vote is completely justified. Because in your head you know you're "wrong", so you have to have a defense prepared ahead of time. This naturally makes you explain (and overexplain) everything you do. This is why Yuma shot me in my very first scum game, and it's been a good indication in the past.
When you're town, you tend to just follow your gut more. Obviously you can still explain things as town, but you don't have that extra need to have all your bases checked.
Plus, sometimes there are advantages to not explaining things. Take ADK's vote up there. If I'm scum!Awaclus, I'm pretty perturbed by that vote. It tells me "Shit, ADK really caught me there." I don't know ADK's thought process, so I don't know things like how confident he is in his vote, whether it's for a good reason (that others can catch on to) or not, and with this lack of information I'm sweating under my clothes a bit. And scum knowing less is good; bigger chance they will slip up and betray some indication that they're thinking as a scum player and not a town player. If the vote were explained, scum!Awaclus would at least have something to argue against and may have an indication of what kind of discussion could divert votes against him.
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it's why i'm so obnoxious for scum as town, but so godawful at scum. I'm all about the gut read sometimes to the frustration of other Town members, but it's damnably hard to have a "gut read" that sounds genuine but is totally fake which is where I break down as scum.
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....interesting.
Anything in particular?
Was surprised at the lack of a kill. 1-shot BP? Doc? Jailkeeper? Roleblocker? uh... hider? Lots of interesting possibilities here, and at least some of them could potentially lead to providing a confirmed scum if claimed (roleblocker/jailkeeper come to mind here), so there's the possibility we could actually have a claim or two happen today. Obviously only if someone thinks it will benefit Town more than scum.
and I see the argument re: pit, so vote: pit.
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Also. Just a heads up. I'll be awake for maybe another hour. I have a final early tomorrow morning and then other projects to work on, so will likely be low activity tomorrow.
So you guys better not mislynch me while I'm gone.
Just saw this. Paranoid much? Day just started.
Also, I think we should consider a massclaim.
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Also. Just a heads up. I'll be awake for maybe another hour. I have a final early tomorrow morning and then other projects to work on, so will likely be low activity tomorrow.
So you guys better not mislynch me while I'm gone.
Just saw this. Paranoid much? Day just started.
Also, I think we should consider a massclaim.
Yes. That is a paranoid statement. Town (including myself) hasn't exactly had good reads this game. Also, I'm not too sure how to feel about you.
Where does everything think scum would be on the wagon yesterday, on or off? Odds are, it was probably a mix, but there's definitely some WIFOM in people saying "scum wouldn't be bold enough to hammer on a mislynch". Scum is in a relatively solid position so far, but we still have quite a few days until lylo.
No nightkill definitely helps us and pretty much assures the idea that there's only one scumteam we're dealing with.
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Also. Just a heads up. I'll be awake for maybe another hour. I have a final early tomorrow morning and then other projects to work on, so will likely be low activity tomorrow.
So you guys better not mislynch me while I'm gone.
Just saw this. Paranoid much? Day just started.
Also, I think we should consider a massclaim.
Yes. That is a paranoid statement. Town (including myself) hasn't exactly had good reads this game. Also, I'm not too sure how to feel about you.
Where does everything think scum would be on the wagon yesterday, on or off? Odds are, it was probably a mix, but there's definitely some WIFOM in people saying "scum wouldn't be bold enough to hammer on a mislynch". Scum is in a relatively solid position so far, but we still have quite a few days until lylo.
No nightkill definitely helps us and pretty much assures the idea that there's only one scumteam we're dealing with.
If we mislynch today and scum gets a kill in tonight, we're at MYLO tomorrow. I agree that there's probably a mix of on wagon and off. What do you think of a massclaim?
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I wrote up a big long post, but I think it ended up being too WIFOM sounding and would just end up hurting Town due to confusion.
ultimate answer: I believe I am against a massclaim.
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I think I'm against claiming. We still have 10 people in the game. I think we can comfortably give our PR's an extra day to get more info.
Unless someone has like a cop result on scum. claiming that I'm ok with.
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I oppose a massclaim.
Worth noting that ADK has been the one to start both major claiming suggestions/conversations this game. What do you think of a massclaim ADK?
I think it's easy for scum to appear townie by generating questions to ask and refraining to provide their own opinions until others have weighed in.
Also, yeah my math must have been off earlier. I actually just got up from a nap and am feeling much clearer headed. Sucks that we're at MYLO if the conditions you named are fulfilled. Let's hit scum today!
After all these mislynches though, I've been on them both times. I'm really not entirely sure who to trust at this point. I may have time for a reread later, but for right now, I'm not feeling too good about ADK.
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I oppose a massclaim.
Worth noting that ADK has been the one to start both major claiming suggestions/conversations this game. What do you think of a massclaim ADK?
I think it's easy for scum to appear townie by generating questions to ask and refraining to provide their own opinions until others have weighed in.
Also, yeah my math must have been off earlier. I actually just got up from a nap and am feeling much clearer headed. Sucks that we're at MYLO if the conditions you named are fulfilled. Let's hit scum today!
After all these mislynches though, I've been on them both times. I'm really not entirely sure who to trust at this point. I may have time for a reread later, but for right now, I'm not feeling too good about ADK.
I am in favor of a massclaim. I plan on claiming regardless, as I have what I believe is useful information, but that information would be more useful with a massclaim.
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This changes things. You being a PR is a good reason for your behavior, and I was wondering if you would claim given the leanings of your post. I'm optimistic.
We could definitely use some theoretically solid information at this point. Though I'm preemptively inclined to believe your claim I think.
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Oh if you think you have good info to find scum then I am more ok with claiming. How impotent is it if other people claim though. Do you think we can protect them but still use your info to catch scum? or do they need to claim for your info to be valuable. I'd still rather us protect our other PRs if possible.
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I guess I'll trust your judgement for now though. Do you still think mass claim is the way to go?
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I don't think we're going to get anywhere with me beating around the bush.
I am a 1-shot Bulletproof Bodyguard. I think that it's very likely that either I or my target was the nightkill last night, which is what prevented the nightkill, but it would be impossible to say for sure without a massclaim. I still think that it's fine for me to claim this, since if I'm right, the next time I successfully protect someone or am targeted by mafia I'll be dead anyway. I'm going to hold off on revealing who I protected until more people have a chance to weigh in.
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oh nice. That could definitely explain the missed kill.
One thing I might have not figured out yet is what does a mass claim do to help your power? Just to see if anyone else has a way of stopping kills I guess?
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Well that clears that up. I wonder if the kill was you or your target. I'd wager your target, as I feel like you've been on the scummy side.
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Yeah, I think there's a decent chance your target is town.
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Yeah, I think there's a decent chance your target is town.
I agree. I don't think ADK is a high priority NK for scum, so the one he protected is very likely town, if his claim is true. On the other hand scum could be trying to trick us by not killing anyone to give ADK the possibility to make this claim (I don't think this is very likely at this point, where every town kill helps scum so much, but we shouldn't treat ADK like he is 100% town now).
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Yeah, I think there's a decent chance your target is town.
I agree. I don't think ADK is a high priority NK for scum, so the one he protected is very likely town, if his claim is true. On the other hand scum could be trying to trick us by not killing anyone to give ADK the possibility to make this claim (I don't think this is very likely at this point, where every town kill helps scum so much, but we shouldn't treat ADK like he is 100% town now).
I don't know, 1-shot BP Bodyguard seems like a pretty... hmm.. bold fakeclaim.
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Yeah, I think there's a decent chance your target is town.
I agree. I don't think ADK is a high priority NK for scum, so the one he protected is very likely town, if his claim is true. On the other hand scum could be trying to trick us by not killing anyone to give ADK the possibility to make this claim (I don't think this is very likely at this point, where every town kill helps scum so much, but we shouldn't treat ADK like he is 100% town now).
I don't know, 1-shot BP Bodyguard seems like a pretty... hmm.. bold fakeclaim.
I didn't even think about the possibility that we could have a real bodyguard, that would reveal the fakeclaim... In that case we can be almost 100% sure that ADK is town, which is pretty nice for us.
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I tend to believe ADK's claim, assuming no one else has an explanation for the no kill (I don't).
It also makes sense for ADk's perspective to want a massclaim : bodyguard's main use is to protect claimed PRs. Now that he's outed ADK is almost sure to die anyway, and if some other PR claims, ADK lets them live for one more day after this one. I would be in favor of a PR with any kind of useful information claiming. But I'm not necessarily a fan of a massclaim.
Still plan to reread this week-end. The pit wagon seems a bit random to me, if someone could actually look at his voting history that'd be useful.
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Oh and "scum no killed to trick us" is not a valid explanation. Scum just never does that.
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Agreed.
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Oh and "scum no killed to trick us" is not a valid explanation. Scum just never does that.
well unless its 1 scum and 4 people. then they sometimes don't kill. but thats completely different.
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Oh and "scum no killed to trick us" is not a valid explanation. Scum just never does that.
well unless its 1 scum and 4 people. then they sometimes don't kill. but thats completely different.
Good input. Way to pad that post count.
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Oh and "scum no killed to trick us" is not a valid explanation. Scum just never does that.
well unless its 1 scum and 4 people. then they sometimes don't kill. but thats completely different.
Good input. Way to pad that post count.
Sorry. But i feel like a post with almost no info is better then no post at all. and even if it has no info sometimes it can kinda bump the game into movement! kinda like now!
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Agreed. ;)
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I feel like in this game every day chairs personality has changed.
day one was super excited
day 2 was normal ish chairs
now its agreeing chairs
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Checking in. Still pretty swamped with a few finals left.
I don't think Awaclus has posted in like a long time. So it'd be nice to hear his thoughts on things. Oh, I see he did make a few posts today about pit. I'm not really feeling a pit wagon right now. I might rather lynch Awaclus today. He won his other scum game, and he has gotten virtually zero suspicion so far, so that makes me a little concerned.
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I feel like in this game every day chairs personality has changed.
day one was super excited
day 2 was normal ish chairs
now its agreeing chairs
To be transparent, I had a pretty traumatic RL event last night and am likely to be phoning this Day in. Also I will be limited access over the weekend (I will pos in V/LA).
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I feel like in this game every day chairs personality has changed.
day one was super excited
day 2 was normal ish chairs
now its agreeing chairs
To be transparent, I had a pretty traumatic RL event last night and am likely to be phoning this Day in. Also I will be limited access over the weekend (I will pos in V/LA).
Well I hope everything is well with you. Take care.
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I feel like in this game every day chairs personality has changed.
day one was super excited
day 2 was normal ish chairs
now its agreeing chairs
To be transparent, I had a pretty traumatic RL event last night and am likely to be phoning this Day in. Also I will be limited access over the weekend (I will pos in V/LA).
Oh no :(. hope everything is ok!
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Checking in. Still pretty swamped with a few finals left.
I don't think Awaclus has posted in like a long time. So it'd be nice to hear his thoughts on things. Oh, I see he did make a few posts today about pit. I'm not really feeling a pit wagon right now. I might rather lynch Awaclus today. He won his other scum game, and he has gotten virtually zero suspicion so far, so that makes me a little concerned.
Why aren't you really feeling a pit wagon right now? D2 it sounded like you wanted to lynch someone not Pit ASAP when more people started liking the Pit lynch (and surprisingly enough, XP was town), and now it still sounds like you're trying to protect Pit.
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Checking in. Still pretty swamped with a few finals left.
I don't think Awaclus has posted in like a long time. So it'd be nice to hear his thoughts on things. Oh, I see he did make a few posts today about pit. I'm not really feeling a pit wagon right now. I might rather lynch Awaclus today. He won his other scum game, and he has gotten virtually zero suspicion so far, so that makes me a little concerned.
Why aren't you really feeling a pit wagon right now? D2 it sounded like you wanted to lynch someone not Pit ASAP when more people started liking the Pit lynch (and surprisingly enough, XP was town), and now it still sounds like you're trying to protect Pit.
What is the case against him? He's one of many lurkers--and he has been "over-explaining" his votes or whatever. Yeah, I guess I am kind of defending him; I just don't really get much of a scum vibe from him at this point. Then again, it's not like my intuition has really been that good this game, so maybe we should lynch him. I'm fine with being marked as defending pit though. I think scum actually tends to actively defend their partners in situations like this (and in general), so I can kind of see the partner insinuation you make.
I'm pretty busy around now, but who knows, I may join his wagon at some point today. It would be nice to see him respond to the votes on him at least.
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What is the case against him?
I re-read Pit to properly answer this question.
Lurking, derphammering, jumping on wagons when they're growing and jumping off when they're dying, and having teammate-y interactions with Hydrad and now you. Also, he hasn't really paid any attention to the posts where he has been called scummy, which is something that I did as newbie scum because I thought that town shouldn't feel much pressure about cases against them, so I think that's also scummy.
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Also, you (IG) were making this exact case against Pit D1-2 until other people started to want lynch him, which is when you suddenly decided out of nowhere that XP is a much better lynch and anyone who disagrees is XP's scum partner protecting him.
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Hmm. I had forgotten about his D1 derphammer. That's actually a pretty scummy list you have there. I did point out how he seems to be ignoring the suspicion that's on him today--and I guess earlier as well. That's probably the scummiest thing for me. I (at least for me) tend to think town should actively fight their lynches and participate in discussion surrounding any cases on them. With enough people in the game, ignoring suspicion is actually a really effective tactic as suspicion will often shift to those who actually respond to the accusations against them.
I'm down for a vote: Pit
Yeah, he even showed up pretty recently but just ignored the two votes that were on him.
PPE: I was? I'll have to reread myself. Pretty sure I preferred XP at the time because of the opposition to his wagon. I'm beginning to doubt how useful those sorts of arguments are though.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFmeABfvpt0
Vote Count 1.0
xxpittip (3): Awaclus, chairs, Ichimaru Gin
Awaclus (1): A Drowned Kernel
Not Voting (6): xxpittip, Witherweaver, Hugovj, Eevee, Teproc, Hydrad
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 3 ends Saturday, December 20th at 11 PM.
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What is the case against him?
I re-read Pit to properly answer this question.
Lurking, derphammering, jumping on wagons when they're growing and jumping off when they're dying, and having teammate-y interactions with Hydrad and now you. Also, he hasn't really paid any attention to the posts where he has been called scummy, which is something that I did as newbie scum because I thought that town shouldn't feel much pressure about cases against them, so I think that's also scummy.
Lurking, derphammering, jumping on growing wagons are all true. Jumping off when they're dying is only logical (i think i'm not active or convincing enough to restart a dying wagon).
"having teammate-y interactions with Hydrad" I reread all my posts and i didn't have any interactions with him at all.
"he hasn't really paid attention [...]" This posts is the first one where you actually tell me the reason why you think i'm scum. The last time i asked you said "peculiar interactions with people". I can't really give an answer to that unless i would quote every single one of my posts and explain them...
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"having teammate-y interactions with Hydrad" I reread all my posts and i didn't have any interactions with him at all.
Reread his posts too then.
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"Having teammate-y interactions" is a horrible reason to lynch someone.
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"Having teammate-y interactions" is a horrible reason to lynch someone.
There are plenty of good reasons to lynch Pit.
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"Having teammate-y interactions" is a horrible reason to lynch someone.
There are plenty of good reasons to lynch Pit.
Fine, but it seems that people are putting a lot of weight in "X is defending Y, they must be scum together !" which is a very, very bad argument. Interactions are only worth looking at once someone flips scum, before that it's basically worthless to try and see scumteams.
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It looks like everyone but Eevee has posted since I claimed, so I think that now it's alright to reveal that that's who I protected.
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Hi guys, just a heads up I'm fairly limited access this weekend due to various stuff going on.
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"Having teammate-y interactions" is a horrible reason to lynch someone.
There are plenty of good reasons to lynch Pit.
Fine, but it seems that people are putting a lot of weight in "X is defending Y, they must be scum together !" which is a very, very bad argument. Interactions are only worth looking at once someone flips scum, before that it's basically worthless to try and see scumteams.
Yes, I agree. However, X defending Y can be good indication that X is scum. Moreover, Y is more likely town. Scum is much more quick to defend someone than town is, and scum partners generally shy away from protecting each other.
This generally holds better early on (especially day 1) than late in the game, though, because later on you can actually have decent reads and good reason to defend. Scum is quicker to judge someone as obviously town because they actually know that player is town.
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It looks like everyone but Eevee has posted since I claimed, so I think that now it's alright to reveal that that's who I protected.
Considering the amount of activity going on, I think that's a good idea.
I'm starting my vacation tomorrow so will be somewhat low activity til the end of the month . I should still be able post a few times a day though.
PPE: 1
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It looks like everyone but Eevee has posted since I claimed, so I think that now it's alright to reveal that that's who I protected.
Just to clarify, you protected me?
If so, thanks!
Not having internet at home is really annoying. I agree with teproc teammate-like interactions before a flip is dumb, but I found pit scummy yesterday and being suspected for bad reasons doesn't make you town.
I need to reread to form a more informed opinion, but I need to fix this internet horribleness to be able to so that.
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Oh. I somehow missed that last part. So ADK targeted Eevee then. Assuming that scum did in fact try to kill Eevee (which seems likely), barring PR hunting, then scum probably doesn't like his reads. Or, people did think he was pretty townie, so that's another possible reason. He was probably near the top of most people's townreads going into N2.
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Also, regarding pit, I never really saw "partnerish" interactions between him and Hydrad. I'm voting him because I though Awaclus' other points were good. I had forgotten why I had voted pit yesterday but was reminded of it.
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To be absolutely clear, I did protect Eevee. And if we want to consider the possibility that I was actually the NK, then to me that definitely points to WW being scum. I need to do a reread to try and figure who would most likely want to kill Eevee, and weekends just aren't a good time for mafia for me.
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I was getting townreads left and right yesterday,I think I make sense for a night kill.
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Phone posting. C'mon guys!
it's been like 2 days.
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Phone posting. C'mon guys!
it's been like 2 days.
I have no idea what to write about...
I think awaclus was voting for me in Newbie Mafia 7, where he was scum and i was town...
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I think awaclus was voting for me in Newbie Mafia 7, where he was scum and i was town...
But that has nothing to do with this game.
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I'm... mostly back. The g/f's aunt died Sunday morning, so I'm not sure how much helping with that is going to eat out of my time, but I'll at least keep up-to-date on posts.
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I think awaclus was voting for me in Newbie Mafia 7, where he was scum and i was town...
But that has nothing to do with this game.
It was the best thing, that came to my mind... i just wanted to post something
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Hmm ok well I'll say I think its interesting eevee was picked to be protected in the night. Honestly I was kinda expecting ADK to be killed in the night as he definitely made it sound like he had a power role with his comments in day 2.
I'm at L-1 already, awesome.
@WW: I don't think that Silver being the NK has much to do with him having a PR, I'm getting the impression that most players have some sort of a PR here. It probably has either to do with his reads or mafia thinking he was unlikely to be protected.
So I feel like ADK may have been targeted for the night kill.
Also is this game going slow because of how close it is to christmas maybe?
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So I feel like ADK may have been targeted for the night kill.
Yeah, "feel like".
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Hydrad makes a good point actually. I hadn't noticed it at the time but ADK seriously breadcrumbed there, so if he's town he could easily have been the NK target.
I said I'd reread this week-end but... I have exams this week, and then starting friday I'll be V/LA for a week (skiing !)... I'll try to get to it.
In the meantime, something needs to happen in this game, and I know I've been wrong about everything this game, but I just can't shake the felling : vote: Ichi
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Hmm ok well I'll say I think its interesting eevee was picked to be protected in the night. Honestly I was kinda expecting ADK to be killed in the night as he definitely made it sound like he had a power role with his comments in day 2.
Then why did you want to lynch him?
Also, I just re-read Eevee and this makes a lot of sense: Eevee found Hydrad and Pit scummy multiple times, but he also had considered other people and been generally towny, so killing him is super great for scum!Hydrad and scum!Pit because then they would get rid of Eevee's opinions and a towny player at the same time, while it wouldn't be even obvious that Eevee's reads were a part of the reason. And now scum!Hydrad wants us to think that Eevee wasn't targeted for the NK.
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I was going to mention that my re-read of Eevee was very quick, but then I forgot.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNbTg0Li36k
Vote Count 1.1
xxpittip (3): Awaclus, chairs, Ichimaru Gin
Awaclus (1): A Drowned Kernel
Ichimaru Gin (1): Teproc
Not Voting (5): xxpittip, Witherweaver, Hugovj, Eevee, Hydrad
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 3 ends Saturday, December 20th at 11 PM.
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Hmm ok well I'll say I think its interesting eevee was picked to be protected in the night. Honestly I was kinda expecting ADK to be killed in the night as he definitely made it sound like he had a power role with his comments in day 2.
Then why did you want to lynch him?
Also, I just re-read Eevee and this makes a lot of sense: Eevee found Hydrad and Pit scummy multiple times, but he also had considered other people and been generally towny, so killing him is super great for scum!Hydrad and scum!Pit because then they would get rid of Eevee's opinions and a towny player at the same time, while it wouldn't be even obvious that Eevee's reads were a part of the reason. And now scum!Hydrad wants us to think that Eevee wasn't targeted for the NK.
Because at the time even with that small breadcrumb it he still felt really scummy. Sometimes you can think you see breadcrumbs but your just looking to much into it so I was going with my gut. Near the end of the day though you should nitice I didn't have ADK as high on my kill list. At this point though I think hes pretty much IC for me though.
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Near the end of the day though you should nitice I didn't have ADK as high on my kill list.
On your what list?
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Also, it's not really noticeable. You were voting for him when others were voting for him, then others were voting for WW and you joined the WW wagon.
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vote: Hydrad
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Well that's a pretty strong argument. vote: hydrad
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Near the end of the day though you should nitice I didn't have ADK as high on my kill list.
On your what list?
kill list. should I have said lynch? They are like the same thing as who your voting for is most likely who you want to kill.
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Also, it's not really noticeable. You were voting for him when others were voting for him, then others were voting for WW and you joined the WW wagon.
Umm also unless I missed something I don't think I voted ADK once in day 2. I was on Hugo for most of it then to WW.
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Also, it's not really noticeable. You were voting for him when others were voting for him, then others were voting for WW and you joined the WW wagon.
Umm also unless I missed something I don't think I voted ADK once in day 2. I was on Hugo for most of it then to WW.
Oh, that's true. You just wanted to lynch him.
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Also, it's not really noticeable. You were voting for him when others were voting for him, then others were voting for WW and you joined the WW wagon.
Umm also unless I missed something I don't think I voted ADK once in day 2. I was on Hugo for most of it then to WW.
Oh, that's true. You just wanted to lynch him.
Ya for a while it was Hugo/ADK i wanted but I voted Hugo as I think hes scummier. then it moved to Hugo/WW.
Speaking of which. Vote: Hugo
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Near the end of the day though you should nitice I didn't have ADK as high on my kill list.
On your what list?
kill list. should I have said lynch? They are like the same thing as who your voting for is most likely who you want to kill.
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but you probably should have said lynch, because kill usually refers to the night kill and now it looks like a Freudian slip.
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Near the end of the day though you should nitice I didn't have ADK as high on my kill list.
On your what list?
kill list. should I have said lynch? They are like the same thing as who your voting for is most likely who you want to kill.
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but you probably should have said lynch, because kill usually refers to the night kill and now it looks like a Freudian slip.
Ya I guess lynch is more technically correct. But this has happened to me in other games where I'll say a random thing that I think makes sense and then it gets called a scum slip. (unfortunately I don't remember the exact posts to reference).
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So, WW and Hugo have both posted in the V/LA thread. Teproc has said a while ago he was doing a reread, how's that coming?
I'm feeling so so about my vote on Hydrad, but I'm gonna keep it there for a while. Also of note that Awaclus hasn't voted for him--though I think he's voting pit--which is pretty good.
Pit's defense is strange--but it seems much more like one that newbie town would make instead of scum.
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Also of note that Awaclus hasn't voted for him--though I think he's voting pit--which is pretty good.
I don't really care who we lynch out of Hydrad and Pit. I'm pretty sure they're both scum.
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Does anyone want to lynch WW?
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Does anyone want to lynch WW?
Not today. I think that he might be scum too, but I'm much less sure about that.
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I don't want to lynch WW today, or any day. I still like Hydrad and Pit just as much as before. I remember thinking them being partners is unlikely, though. I still have not gone back and reread.
When does today end?
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When does today end?
The 20th at 11PM. So we have a little over three days. Not a ton of time. I'm ok with Hydrad or Pit as well-but it would be nice to hear from everyone about what they think of them. I still think pit is more likely just newbie play, but there's also a good chance he's scum. I'll back whichever wagon looks like it has better chances of going through.
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When does today end?
The 20th at 11PM. So we have a little over three days. Not a ton of time. I'm ok with Hydrad or Pit as well-but it would be nice to hear from everyone about what they think of them. I still think pit is more likely just newbie play, but there's also a good chance he's scum. I'll back whichever wagon looks like it has better chances of going through.
Damn. I'm really not going to be able to provide much today.
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vote: pit
"I'm pretty sure both are scum" is an interesting statement. I'm inclined to feel towny on it, just because scum might want to be careful about going on record with such crazy confidence.
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I'll bite.
vote: pit
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Hydrad makes a good point actually. I hadn't noticed it at the time but ADK seriously breadcrumbed there, so if he's town he could easily have been the NK target.
I said I'd reread this week-end but... I have exams this week, and then starting friday I'll be V/LA for a week (skiing !)... I'll try to get to it.
In the meantime, something needs to happen in this game, and I know I've been wrong about everything this game, but I just can't shake the felling : vote: Ichi
Somehow I missed this post. So he's somewhat VLA I guess.
Man, this tunneling is getting annoying though. You're wrong about me too, just saying. I'm guessing you can't shake the feeling that I'm scum?
And that's 3 votes on xxpittip. I'll vote: pit as well. I don't like how many people are lurking.
This is L-2 on pit I believe.
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Yeah. I know. It's bad. Well I don't know if the tunneling is bad, but the fact that I still haven't reread is.
Let's reread pit, I do have the time for that. I can't remember anything besides him being one of the possible lurker lynches on day 2.
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DAY 1
pit's first real vote is on XP for not participating, which seems fine. He doesn't anything else though, and gets two votes on him for lurking. He then unvotes and promises to participate more.
He comments on chairs poem/vote and votes ADK :
Eevee being quiet on day 1 is pretty normal, I don't think I've played with Beyond Awesome yet... maybe the Greater Idea Mafia ?
ADK, why did you change your mind on sudgy ?
chairs convinced me with the magic of poetry.
1. If this is a lie: That definitely looks like scum to me (why would town lie about their reasons to think someone is scummy?)
2. If this the truth: If someone (potential scum) can convince him so easily to follow his / her vote, scum could abuse this to get wagons on town people. (I think 2 is less likely since he is one of the more experienced players)
Vote: ADK
Fairly opportunistic vote (it's the 4th vote on ADK), but the mention of the "ADK is a bad townie" possibility seems townie to me. Only town wants to lynch townies for being bad townies, scum wants the actually good townies to be lynched.
He later prompts ADK to defend himself, does a recap post of the ADK wagon when ADK asks why people are voting for him.
He notes silver is lurking, and then comes back and derphammers sudgy.
Seems like ADK will survive for now. I don't think i can convince enough people without any further information...
Vote: Sudgy
L-1 !
Btw we should think about lynching Xerxes soon. He could be trying to get us to ignore him, while he is actually scum and even if he is town he is not really helpful.
Let's consider that this is a L-1 vote, since I do believe pit was sincere there, even if he was scum. This is a pretty scummy vote : he never mentions finding sudgy before (in fact the ADK vote he found scummy was on sudgy), AND he casts suspicion on XP while not saying anything about why sudgy is scummy.
DAY 2
Immediately votes ADK (quoting an Ichi post voicing suspicion of ADK).
He's called out for lurking by WW (along with a few others) and briefly votes Hugo before going back to ADK after having reread the other lurkers called out by WW and finding nothing :
Vote: ADK
1. I still think of him as the scummiest player.
2. If he gets lynched we get tons of information from all the posts by him (since he is one of the most active players) and all the posts mentioning him and the two wagons he had on him so far.
3. I don't want to wait for an answer from Hugo, since he didn't post anything for almost 7 days now.
I don't like this, at all. Admittedly this could be lazy town but there's no actual reason to lynch ADK in there. It's starting to seem like pit just jumped on a scummy ing that happened (ADK sheeping chairs' poem) after other people called it as scummy, and then decided ADK would be his default lynch. This is how scum!tunelling looks.
He later unvotes, but at that point he's the last vote still standing on ADK. The main wagon at that point is hugo, and pit says th wagon is "justified" and says he'll join it if hugo doesn't stop lurking. He also says I'm scummy and XP is not, but that's about it.
Yeah, I'm seeing the pit case now. This is extremely opportunistic voting, which I think is a strong scum trait among newbies, because they live in fear of them or their partners being lynched, so they always want the current wagon to go through if it's not on scum. Here he doesn't join the hugo wagon immediately, but it seems inevitable he will.
He doesn't though. When he posts again, he votes for XP, which is one of the two leading wagons (along with WW). He does acknowledge that XP only became scummy recently to him, but still, inceredibly opportunistic.
He then only has two posts defending himself a bit.
DAY 3
Not much. Some observations on ADK's claim, some defending himself and trying to come up with things to say.
Ok, there definitely is a decent case here. I want to reread Ichi to check myself before doing anything though. But it won't be tonight, it's late enough already. Hopefully I'll find the time tomorrow.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEwYMic512M
Vote Count 1.2
xxpittip (4): Awaclus, Eevee, A Drowned Kernel, Ichimaru Gin
Ichimaru Gin (1): Teproc
Hydrad (1): chairs
Not Voting (4): xxpittip, Witherweaver, Hugovj, Hydrad
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 3 ends Saturday, December 20th at 11 PM.
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I'm not voting pit?
vote: xxpittip
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I'm not voting pit?
vote: xxpittip
That's L-1, right?
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Yes. I thought since I voted literally right after a vote count it'd be pretty obvious, but just in case...
PIT AT L-1
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Well i don't know anything i could say to convince you that i'm actually town... I guess claiming is everything i can do now:
Vanilla Towny, Song: Metallica - Enter Sandman
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Well i don't know anything i could say to convince you that i'm actually town... I guess claiming is everything i can do now:
Vanilla Towny, Song: Metallica - Enter Sandman
Hmm. I feel like town fights harder here. I've seen scum pretend to give up like this numerous times.
I'd like to wait for Teproc to come back with his reread of me though. I feel confident that the true townie nature of my play will shine through! Even after that, I would still like everyone to weigh in on pit one way or the other.
Those who don't want to lynch pit, why?
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I'll go to sleep soon, since i don't expect to live when i wake up, my final reads list:
Town <-------------------------------------------------------> Scum
ADK, Eevee, IG, Hugo, WW, Teproc, Hydrad, chairs, Awaclus
If you want to know anything else from me, ask in the next ~20min (or don't lynch me :D)
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I'll go to sleep soon, since i don't expect to live when i wake up, my final reads list:
Town <-------------------------------------------------------> Scum
ADK, Eevee, IG, Hugo, WW, Teproc, Hydrad, chairs, Awaclus
If you want to know anything else from me, ask in the next ~20min (or don't lynch me :D)
Any reasons for the reads?
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I'm here but my Internet is super crappy, don't think I'll be able to reread Ichi tonight. I'll try though.
The pit lynch is still decent, I don't think his claim changes much. Ichi's VT claim turned out pretty well for him after all, and I would think inexperienced scum are the least likely to fakeclaim. I'm not super confident though, hopefully we can do better.
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I'll go to sleep soon, since i don't expect to live when i wake up, my final reads list:
Town <-------------------------------------------------------> Scum
ADK, Eevee, IG, Hugo, WW, Teproc, Hydrad, chairs, Awaclus
If you want to know anything else from me, ask in the next ~20min (or don't lynch me :D)
Any reasons for the reads?
ADK and Eevee should be obvious
IG: I don't remember anything scummy about him, i'd have to reread to confirm it, but i'm pretty sure there is not much to be found in his posts
Hugo: Might actually need a higher scum rank... he isn't active at all when is isn't in danger so i kinda forgot about him
WW: Mostly gut read
Teproc: I actually felt more scummy about him before he made the case against me. It doesn't look like it's written by scum.
Hydrad: 50% gut read, 50% because i read some valid posts for him being scum (can't remember exactly what they were about).
Chairs: Mostly gut read, but considering my success with reads so far that is propably not too meaningful...
Awaclus: Mostly the way he tried to get me lynched. Unless some miracle happens and i survive you will see that i'm actually not scum and that he didn't give any reasons for voting me at the beginning (while he seemed like he was 100% sure about it), propably because he is scum himself and didn't find anything that is convincing enough.
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Ok, Internet a bit better, I'm going to make this a full, post-by-post thing because I have to either get past my tunnel or get you guys to see what I see.
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DAY 1
#52 : First !
#54 : Fine with song claiming
#56 : Elaborates on #54, doesn't think the relation between PR and songs will be obvious
#59 : Thinks the claiming might not be useful, but the discussion around it will + PR could fakeclaim their songs
#66 : Agrees with Eevee that learning the song when people flip is nicer, reiterates that he doesn't see much benefit in song claiming
Right, so that's all on the scummy side of null : artificial participation by talking about theory talk without saying anything. Nothing big though.
#68 Votes Beyond Awesome, just after BA votes for him quoting #56. Says « RVS time » implying BA's unexplained vote was RVS.
#72 : Clarifies #68
#89 : Agrees with WW that he doesn't see what song would mean VT
#97 : Says it's hard to know because it depends on the mod's taste, but that mainstream = VT is plausible
#165 : Says it's a busy day, he'll post in 8-9 hours
About #165, I do think scum worries more about their perceived level of activity than town. Nothing big again, but that puts Ichi on the scummy side on things so far for me.
#179 : Comments on sudgy (who is at L-2 at this point), saying he doesn't think scum would attract this much attention, hedges by saying he hasn't played with sudgy. Says chairs is more active, doesn't draw anything from it. Votes pit for lurking and voting for XP who Ichi thinks is an easy mislynch.
This is a pretty classic town!Ichi post. It's hedgy and doesn't say all that much. I've given passes to Ichi before for that, but he can replicate it as scum (Stack the Deck Rerun), but still, this is worth some town points.
#181 : Says pit could know about XP being an easy mislynch via partners (in response to silver)
#183 : Responding to Hydrad freaking out about the pit wagon, saying it only has 3 votes and pit needs to post more anyway
#185 : Says he understands Hydrad's overreaction to the wagon because of small setups
#220 : Doesn't see Hydrad reacting this strongly if pit is his partner, and Hydrad is a white knight as town too. Comments on there being a lot of OMGUS.
#250 : Ask how many votes are on Hydrad
#278 : Likes chairs' poem, unvotes and says he'll reread
#282 : Confuses this game with another one.
#285 : Apologizes for #282
#286 : Some observations about the claiming discussion and about people (XP, Hydrad and ADK) being easy mislynches, so he doesn't like the cases on them.
His observations in #286 are what I'm talking about when I say « acti-lurking », by the way. He's commenting on something without actually giving an opinion on anything relevant to anyone's alignment, which means it's basically pointless. This particular post does have some content though.
#290 : Responds to me about ADK being an easy mislynch, agrees with me that it's notable that sudgy stopped posting (but doesn't say if it's scummy, classic Mr. Interesting). Says BA's lack of activity is suspicious because it's unusual.
#317 : Corrects me when I talk about him in Legend of Zelda (he wasn't in it)
#319 : Is « mystified » by my read on him, makes him think I'm scum.
#320 : Asks if my case is fabricated to get a reaction
So... why doesn't he vote for me here ? He's not actually voting for anyone here, so I don't really get that at all. To remind people : at this point I just made a case on him for being active but without content (what I said about acti-lurking above).
#322 : Says his play in Stack theDeck (where he successfully imitated his town meta) will hurt him, and he gets that particular point.
#330 : Says barely anything has happened this game and he hasn't been paying much attention, that I should look at other people in this game who don't have any more content than him. Also says silver and Hydrad are townreads and XP is scummy. Says there's not much to argue against in my case
#340 : Says he'll just lurk now since his participation is seen as scummy (by me)
So, this is a huge, huge overreaction. Null for Ichi though, he's done it as both alignments.
#344 : Says #340 was in poor taste, thta he thinks I'm scum or trying something new... but also that my arguments are fair though my conclusion is incorrect.
Again, I don't really get his read on me there. He thinks I'm « trying something new » or am sum but at the same time he understands my arguments ? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Not particularly scummy though, just strange.
#346 : Continues defending himself, says my logic is circular, but the argument is productive because something's happening.
#349 : Agrees with me that if ADK (who is sitting at L-1 or 2 at this point) were scum, his partners would be doing something... but that stalling the game is an effective tactic for scum. Basically hedging on ADK. Null.
#353 : Explains he's not voting for me because he's not sure, and knows OMGUS is not a good way to catch scum. Says he almost feels like claiming, generally seems to be completely overestimating his likelihood of being lynched (I believe I'm the only one voting for him there).
Again with the overreaction, and threatening to claim. To put some context, this post comes just after chairs puts ADK to L-1. Ichi has the grand total of two votes on him. We'll get back to that I suppose, but I don't understand the business of a VT being so scared of being lynched that he threatens to claim at L-a billion. And this is where Ichi seems like scum to me, because I dont' see Ichi as a bad town player.
VT's should never claim basically, except at L-1. VT claiming is awful for town because it lets scum PoE PR. This is a huge point, and yet no one seems to care about Ichi's apparent enthusiasm about claiming VT in this game.
#360 : Asks BA to give ADK time to claim (after BA states intent to hammer). Could read like he's coaching BA, could be relevant later.
#363 : Changes his mind, says this game has stalled and it could be good to bend it quickly, then PPEs agreeing with pit who says the reverse
This is so town!Ichi though. Not hard to replicate, but very well done if he's scum.
#368 : Agrees with ADK that the case on him is weak
#394 : Had forgotten about shraeye's non-claim in HoC Mafia.
#400 : Doesn't think ADK bringing up song claiming is scummy, is surprised ADK is specifically getting heat for it when he isn't.
#407 : Says lurkers need to stop stalling.
Here's another problem I have with Ichi in this whole sequence : why isn't he voting ? It really seems to me like he's scum who want the day to end by ADK being hammered, but can't do it himself because he feels commited to his ADK read. Otherwise I'm not sure why town!Ichi isn't pushing some other case.
#412 : votes sudgy, putting him at L-2 evoking « previous reasons ».
Hey, this is where this « post-by-post thing pays out, because Ichi really hasn't talked about sudgy much actually. The only thing he's found scummy about sudgy so far is that he stopped posting when he was under a lot of pressure.
#443 : Agrees with my agressive reaction to sudgy's softclaim, feels ok about the derphammer
#447 : Says sudgy's softclaim cemented his read on him, but reiterates a point he ade early that scum:sudgy wouldn't want to attract so much attention.
And that's it for day 1. I'm regretting this post by post thing, but I think I need it. I'm leaning towards Ichi being scum still, but his sudgy vote actually seems townie to me. I think town is more likely to forget they haven't actually written about their suspicions of someone. Yeah. Crap, I'm still not sure.
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Wow. This is an incredibly thorough reread. I agree with pretty much every point you make. It's definitely worth it if you come out of this having a townread on me though, because the game is somewhat close at this point.
Regarding my early claim, I am 100% someone who focuses on winning the current game at hand and not manipulating my meta. However, I am very proud of the fact that I have never been mislynched, and it is a record that I would like to keep as long as possible. I'm pretty sure I made some similar reference in Stack the Deck--but I still meant it. And even before I was more concerned about never being mislynched--it's not preferable to lynch town anyway--so I try to fight my lynches very hard.
It probably wasn't ideal for me to claim there by any means, and I am sorry that my actions have likely led to better scum POE. At any rate, that's my explanation for my early claim--yes I was focused on my own survival and really did not want to be mislynched. Unfortunately, my claim wasn't very pro-town and was more trying to protect my stupid personal record. As a secondary component, it also sounded to me like people were overestimating the amount of PR's in the setup--because I at least wasn't one. So I wasn't sure if thinking/knowing there were less PR's might be helpful for town--likely not I guess.
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Wow. This is an incredibly thorough reread. I agree with pretty much every point you make. It's definitely worth it if you come out of this having a townread on me though, because the game is somewhat close at this point.
I find this interesting. teproc is still kinda saying your scummy but you agree with his points?
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DAY 2
#464 : First to post again, says we should look at silver's reads, but hedges on it.
#465 : Rereads silver. Says ADK looks scummiest from silver's reads, but reiterates that ADK is an easy mislynch... ends up « considering » voting ADK.
#466 : Small correction for #465
So this is pretty bad, and I think Ichi does get some pressure from ADK on this. Just vote or don't, but don't go « I'm close to voting, but I don't know, maybe later ». This is a very comfortable position for scum, let's them join the wagon if it's popular, but forget about it if there's not support.
#471 : votes ADK, after he votes for him for the reasons I just outlined, calling it a « bad vote ». Says that sometimes quick wagons turn out to be right (ADK has three votes at this point I think).
#474 : Elaborates on the « bad vote » comment, saying ADK is misrepresenting him.
#479 : When asked why he wanted to wait to vote for ADK, just says « reasons ». Says ADK sounds like frustrated scum.
#484 : Hedges on ADK after he notes that Ichi gets frustrated when he's wagonned too.
#485 : Clarifies a point about scum framing people with their kills in #484
#513 : Wary of the quickness of ADK's wagon.
Loooots of hedging. Lots. Probably townie. I mean, if he's scum, he's doing this consciously and it's pretty impressive.
#530 : asks if pit just derphammered
#540 : When Hugovj qualifies him as « not the most active », he disagrees (rightly so). Stands by the sudgy lynch.
#562 : votes Hugo Third vote on the wagon.
This is pretty opportunistic. But I guess Hugov did commit the mortal sin of voicing suspicion of him, so it checks out.
#566 : Comments about the voting syntax thing.
#576 : Hugo disappearing makes him feel good about the vote. Says Dresden Files shows that quick wagons can be good, so the argument against them (see #513) is bad. Reiterates that Hugo is a lurker and he is not.
The fact that he comes back to Hugo accusing him of lurking is relatively townie. It reads as Ichi being pissed at Hugo for saying that, which, granted, he could be as scum too, but town is more emotional as a rule.
#578 : WW asks if he still thinks ADK is scum, he says he prefers lynching Hugo and says he « not feeling it » and that ADK is one of the more active players. He does ask if WW thinks that ADK is scummy for being an alternative to sudgy on day 1.
Several ways to read this, one would be to say that he's making arguments for ADK's lynch while staying away from it. It's a valid interpretation of this particular post, but doesn't seem to fit Ichi's overall posts as he has just changed his mind on ADK pretty much every other post.
#608 : Doesn't think Hugo's reponse to the wagon is townie, says he's fine with lynching XP for opportunistic voting.
#612 : Too many scum reads, wants to lynch in {Hugo, XP, Hydrad}, though he also mentions pit. Doesn't want to lynch ADK anymore, says he based too much of his reads on the silver NK. Still prefers the Hugo lynch.
#619 : Disagrees with Eevee about Hugo's response to the wagon again. Prods (figuratively) Hydrad and pit.
#624 : Hugo reread.
People should go back and read #624 and my response to it. This is a very disingenuous reread, it still readsas bad to me as it did before. It feels like Ichi wants to puch the Hugo wagon and doesa reread with that specific goal in mind.
#627 : Reacts to my response to #624 by saying I'm misconstruing his meta, votes for me saying I'm « obviously Hugo's partner ». Also says « I don't know what I'm doing wrong », and again implies that he should lurk to get town reads.
I hate this. So much. I think it is destructive, counterproductive, anti-town. But most people aren't more aggressive when they're scum, and they aren't more emotional. I hate to say this is townie because it is horrible and no one should ever post like that, but still, this is probably a sign of being town.
Man, I do not like how you've played this game Ichi. I really don't. If you're town, that is, because if you're scum, great job of making me completely blind to anything else.
#631/632 : More escalation with me.
Rereading it, I see a stronger « town!Ichi is pissed at Teproc » narrative than « scum!Ichi is scared of Teproc » because I've accused him multiples times at this point, and never gotten any traction. Why would scum!Ichi be worried ?
#634 : Agrees with me that the whole « I'd better be lurking » thing is bad, but says we shouldn't let lurkers get away with it.
Again, there is this pattern in our fights in this game : I accuse him, he gets outraged and does AtE, then he calms down and sees some of my points (though he insists I'm scum here).
#635 : votes XP Also asks about my scum games
Never mind, this is really the exact same fight we had on day 1.
#637 : Afraid of me being scum because he hasn't played with scum!me
#642 : Jokes about WW being his partners for defendinghim
#643 : Says we need to lynch XP.
#646 : Responds to WW asking why he gave up on Hugo, saying he gives up too easily but is still fine lynching Hugo.
#654 : votes Hugo, feels very confident.
#656 : Mod question
#661 : Says a derphammer wouldn't be bad except hugo hasn't claimed. Nonsensical, but whatever I guess.
#664 : Elaborates on derphammer not being bad because of silo mafia. Basically his argument is that derphammers are good when on scum. Thanks, Ichi (yes, this is a little disingenuous).
#666 : Post of the beast ! More talk about deprhammers not being that bad.
#686 : Says XP could be imitating his town meta, thinkgs pit is scummy too but wants to lynch Hugo still.
#688 : Has a townread on me, prompts me to hammer hugo (kinda)
#691 : vote count stuff
#696 : Disagrees with my defense of hugo
#700 : Asks Eevee why he likes the hugo lynch less and less
#703 : Feels townier about Hugo after he defends himself, votes XP
#706 : Asks what the case on WW is (ADK just voted gor him), reiterates his concern about a scum!WW
#712 : Interesting (TM)
#713 : Declares we're not lynching WW ;
This striked (stroke?) me as weird at the time, but really it's because Ichi really wants to lynch lurkers.
#715 : More jokes about WW being his partner
#721 : Disbelief when ADK says being jokey is a scumtell, asks what the case on WW is.
#733 : Starts being wary of people defending other people, reiterates his desire to lynch XP.
#734 : Smileyface. If Robz was here...
#737 : Agrees on some theorytalk by Eevee
#738 : Urges people to lynch before deadline, hedges on Hydrad.
#744 : After Hydrad jokes about being partners with IG, says he see how joking can be scummy
#746 : Still not a fan of voting XP and wonders what the case against him is
#751 : Doesn't like a WW lynch, but says I'll lynch him if he doesn't join the wagon (which, what?)
#753 : Clarifies his #751, though it still doesn't make sense to me
#757 : Agrees that survivability is a scumtell, but wants to point out that I'm setting up his mislynch.
This is crazy because « setting up a mislynch » is different from « vocally calling for someone's lynch », but it still fits in the narrative of emotional!town!Ichi unfortunately
#758 : Prompts WW to lynch XP
#766 : LAL, ie Ichi's slogan this game.
#768 : Agrees with WW that being jokey is not a good reason to lynch. Floats the idea of a pit lynch
#772 : Discredits me for tunneling and wanting to « kill » him (and being alone in that). Reiterates his willingness to claim
Grrmph. This is much more manipulative than the earlier stuff, as it's actually being active in discrediting me, rather than screaming at the top of his lungs that lynching him would be ridiculous. Less annoying, but less townie.
#774 : Says he's scared because wagons have been going up and down like crazy, admits that his Hugo reread was bad, tries to redirect me to lurkers. Notes that pit is lurking.
Man, every time I grab onto a good narrative for Ichi it falls apart. This is not crazytown!Ichi anymore. This sounds a lot like manipulative scum, trying to guilt me into lynching lurkers and scaring me away with a claim threat.
There's also this weird subtheme of mentioning pit's lurking which keeps coming back. THIS is what « setting up a mislynch » looks like, in case you were wondering.
#778 : Still doesn't like the WW wagon, and regrets the death of the XP wagon.
#783 : Post count. He really is obsessed with lurkers this game.
#784 : Makes the point again that lynhcing active people (like, say, him) is bad, and lynching lurkers is good. Ends by saying the reverse, probably sarcastically
#785 : Claims VT
I mean... I'm back to scum!Ichi. This is sooooooo manipulative, and so set up, most of all ! He planned this, and he keeps making the same point about not lynching active people. I think Ichi is scum with active partners (WW seems a good candidate).
#787 : Asked about the claim, says he's tired of the stupid case on him, that he won't fakeclaim like « you guys expected me to ».
This is important. Ichi is very self-conscious here. If he's scum, he knew a fakeclaim was expected, and this is why he does this.
#790 : Wants to lynch XP and pit, also mentions he forgot Awaclus was in the game.
#791 : Refuses to claim his song
#794 : Is convinced to claim the song.
#796/797/800/802/803 : Music talk with WW and Ichi. Today's episode : Linkin Park
#804 : votes XP
#810 : Appreciates Eevee's support on Linkin Park
#818 : Calls XP's defense double OMGUS.
#820 : Says opposition to XP's lynch is irrational and makes him want to lynch XP more.
#822 : More prompting of lynching XP, plays up the opposition to the XP wagon
#823 : Calls out Hydrad chairs and Hugo for lurking
#826 : Responds to Awaclus on the « people defending XP are his partners » thing.
#828 : Says Awaclus is twisting his words
#830 : Asks WW why he's not enthusiastic about the XP lynch.
#837 : Agrees with chairs on the XP lynch being informational, asks awaclus why pit>XP
#841 : Jokingly answers one my posts that he's obvtown
#844 : Prompts me to hammer XP
#845 : Says he's likely to die tonight
This is really a big theme in this game. Ichi is making himself out of this game. Wether this is because he's town who genuinely thinks he's a martyr and everyone is mean to him or because he's manipulative scum is unclear. I'd like to get other people's thoughts on this at some point, because it feels like I'm the only person who has been interested in anything Ichi's done this game, and I don't get that, as his play has been... you guessed it, interesting.
#849 : Asks how my reads would be affeted by him flipping town
#854 : Jokes with Awaclus about Hydrad being XP's partner
#857 : Jokes about Hydrad being his partner
#866 : Says he claimed to avoid wasting time on him.
#900 : Agrees with my hammer but is surprised by it, thinks XP will flip scum.
#901 : Disagrees with XP abouts stuff
#902 : See 901 + thinks I'm townie for actually hammering
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Ok, so here's the TL;DR :
Ichi's play has been incredibly strange this game, everyone should read him.
There are two narratives here :
1) Ichi is town and just very paranoid about his lynch. This is why he reacted so poorly to any kind of pressure, claimed early and voted opportunistically
2) Ichi is scum and has active partners. He has systematically made this game about lynching lurkers, and has succesfully intimidated town out of lynching him by using AtE (Appeal to Emotion) constantly and discrediting anyone opposed to him (at some points me, then notably Awaclus).
Both narratives are possible, both have a flaw :
1) If Ichi is town, why is he sos sytematic and manipulative on day 2 (see above) ? I mean seriously, he is methodically discrediting people left and right, jumping on a bunch of successive popular wagons, and pushes the XP lynch like crazy.
2) If Ichi is scum, why did he get so emotional, multiple times. Shouldn't he want to avoid attention ?
I think I've come up with an answer to 2. Ichi doesn't mind the attention here, because his whole gameplan is to lynch lurkers. This is probably a reaction to recent games where lurking has been out of control (Death Note comes to mind, but not only) and to the success of players with a pretty explosive playstyle (ash and silver).
I'm not very interested in what Ichi has to say about this. This has been my big mistake this game I think : talking to the people you think is scum is not the good way to approach this game. I want people to take a stance on this, because I feel like I've been talking about Ichi all game and getting very few responses (WW and ADK aside, a couple of times). What am I missing here ?
I think the pit lynch is an easy lynch. It could be right, if Ichi is town. But I just don't believe that.
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that's... an incredibly good point, and frankly I feel like pit rolled over and called himself out as a vt too easily for a scum player.
vote: ichi
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Man, I do not like how you've played this game Ichi. I really don't. If you're town, that is, because if you're scum, great job of making me completely blind to anything else.
I understand you not wanting to engage with me. I fully agree that that can be counterproductive if you really think that someone is scum. Hmm. I really thought I was doing well in this game. I haven't been the most helpful townie, but I've participated and tried to get something out of the lurkers. Also, given that you are nearly the only person who thinks that I am so scummy, I'd question your interpretation of my play given most others seem to find me pretty townie. You make a huge number of different points here--both for and against me being scum. I mostly agree with your interpretations and you seem to offer both possibilities pretty consistently--so it really isn't a biased read.
You won't lose a ton by lynching me--especially if you think my townplay is so bad this game. Honestly, the only thing that would really piss me off is if you were scum here. I'm not going to rail against my wagon though. It's up to everyone else to make up their minds and hopefully see the truth. I am sorry that for whatever different number of reasons my play has led you to this false impression of my alignment. Hopefully this will help me next time I'm town and people won't read soooooo much into Stack the Deck. I don't even know exactly how I won that game--but I usually bus as scum, so that probably had something to do with it.
Sure, your probably won't respond to this, and that's fine given your convictions. Some of your statements sound mildly paranoid that I am trying to blind you or covertly distract you from my theoretical partners. I guess I should take that as a compliment in some ways, but it doesn't help me help town win this game.
PPE: So it begins... I find it distasteful that chairs finds pit townie for something I did first. Whatever. Other people can respond to this post if they want.
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Yeah, the pit lynch is too easy here. I'll consider the Ichi case when I have some time tomorrow. For now, unvote
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Wow. This is an incredibly thorough reread. I agree with pretty much every point you make. It's definitely worth it if you come out of this having a townread on me though, because the game is somewhat close at this point.
I find this interesting. teproc is still kinda saying your scummy but you agree with his points?
It is ;D
I didn't think that it was a foregone conclusion at this point. My posts in this game are factual information that can be interpreted in more than one way. What I am saying is that I think Teproc's interpretation and subsequent conclusion is not really irrational in the sense that he makes any obvious errors or purposeful misinterpretations. It is wrong in the sense that I am town and he thinks otherwise. I thought this was already finished, but apparently not. Nearly every time he shows up, he tries to revive my wagon.
At this point, I think pit is a perfectly good lynch--that others are obviously trying to distract from. ADK's argument of it being "too easy" is a bad one imo. Dresden Files showed me that sometimes town just lynches scum quickly and easily. Just because a wagon grows quickly, doesn't mean it is necessarily invalid or a wagon on town.
I don't really think I'm going to get lynched today--as I have confidence that others can read me better.
Also, Teproc (disclaimer: I understand you may likely choose to not respond). If you really are set on lynching me today and continue tunneling me--I am not really a fan of how you've played this game either. You yourself called your reads into question this game yet seem compelled to continue pushing my lynch since very early in this game. If you're town, I guess this isn't terrible, though mislynching me and a NK leaves town in a pretty bad spot. You doing this as scum would be very, very annoying though.
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I still think that it's unlikely that Teproc is scum.
I don't hate the case on Ichi, but I'm not sure if he's scum. I'd like to have more information before lynching him, at least, and I'm still in favor of lynching either Hydrad or Pit today.
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Actually lynching Hydrad is probably better.
Vote: Hydrad
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That was my a fun reread due to all of the music.
Also, it definitely convinced me to vote: Ichi
I would still also lynch WW.
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That was my a fun reread due to all of the music.
Also, it definitely convinced me to vote: Ichi
I would still also lynch WW.
Nice. Another sheeping vote on my wagon and a hedge to lynch WW. What do you think of pit and Hydrad?
With your claim and all, I think you're town. Honestly, another mislynch here sucks--and I don't see a lot of people taking this game seriously with such low levels of participation.
Where are Hugo and Eevee? Were they VLA or something?
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Pit's scummier than Hydrad. You and WW are scummier than either of them.
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Vote all the Hydrads!
Vote: Hydrad
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vote: Hydrad
I'd still rather lynch Awaclus / chairs but i don't think starting a wagon on them right now will lead to anything and i'm not really sure about the ichi case. He is not someone i would want to lynch right now.
Btw how much time is left until the day ends?
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Vote all the Hydrads!
Vote: Hydrad
Why ? What do you think of Ichi ?
Also, could someone summarize the case on Hydrad ?
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Where are Hugo and Eevee? Were they VLA or something?
Yep, I was.
Now, I really need to do a reread fast, but hey, it's 2 AM here, so maybe not right now. First thing tomorrow. Both Pit and Ichi cases look pretty convincing, but also a bit contradictory, so yeah, I'll reread them both. Coming soon.
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Deadline's tonight, guys. Did we want to lynch someone or something?
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I believe we have three wagons at 3 votes right now : Ichi, pit, and Hydrad.
I don't think Hydrad should be lynched here. It seems to me that he's being wagonned for the same reasons that led to his mislynches in the past, and I don't really see any compelling argument for him being scum. Not that he's incredibly townie, but it feels like the path of least resistance.
pit... maybe ? I don't like it, but it's probably better than no lynch.
Bu obviously I think Ichi should be the lynch. WW and Awaclus I would also be fine with, but I won't be there to change my vote (this might be my last post before deadline), so yeah, lynch Ichi.
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Ichi has been pretty townie, Hydrad and Pit very much not so. I'm away most of the day, but I'll try to come back before deadline.
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Deadline's tonight, guys. Did we want to lynch someone or something?
Dang. Yeah that is coming up pretty quickly. Eh, I'm not even too sure about Pit anymore. I mean, he could have easily sheeped my wagon like others have, but he hasn't.
I'd actually consider a Teproc lynch around now. Though that's probably just my OMGUS senses speaking. I just feel really, really bad about his explicit and relentless tunneling of me--especially when many others find me townie.
I think it's notable that Teproc thinks Hydrad is the easiest lynch for today--because I'm pretty sure he has less votes than me or Pit on him. Chairs has also been fairly sheepy today--which I really don't like. I'd say the people in my lynch pool for today are
chairs
Hydrad
xxpittip
Hugovj
Organized loosely from scummier to townier.
Are there any reasons why people think chairs is town or why he hasn't gotten much suspicion?
PPE: 1
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Hmm. I somehow must have missed all of these recent votes on Hydrad. I can see more of what Teproc is talking about now.
I'm gonna vote: chairs his arguments seem inconsistently applied, and he's been sheeping a lot. What does his scumplay normally look like?
eh. Actually unvote. His sheepy votes on me do look a little better considering he normally finds me scummy. I can't recall my recent games with him, but isn't his town play normally kind of like this?
I guess I'm back to vote: Pit. There has been a fair amount of opposition to my wagon, and Hydrad probably has a better chance of getting lynched today. So Pit is likely on the easiest alternative wagon to himself.
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Is tunneling a scum! Teproc thing? I seem to remember scum!Teproc being less committal on things.
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So, let's see what Pit has said, as he hasn't posted much (although, still more than me (shame, shame)).
So, his first post is about the song claiming, saying 'song claiming wouldn't help anyone' as there's no way to verify whether everybody speaks the truth. This is a good point, but this doesn't read town nor scum.
Then, he votes for XP, saying that he hasn't said anything since the start of the game.
Then, after loads of discussion, he shows up again and says that this is his second game and unvotes, because XP has said something. A bit weird is the fact that he apparently has no opinion on the whole Sudgy-wagon discussion. That's more scummy than town to me.
Post about having no time.
Then, a reaction to make the rhyming of chairs a little more comprehensible. Still nothing extremely towny or scummy to me.
He then joins the ADK-wagon, and this is interesting, as ADK already has some votes. Pit doesn't cite really new reasons, both reasons he gives have been used before. So, a little bit sheeping on a wagon that already is pretty big. That's kind of scummy.
He than continues to attack ADK, saying he hasn't defended himself yet. This is a bit more town to me, because it makes his vote feel less sheepish to me. He seems to really believe in the wagon.
Again more pressure on ADK, citing all people who voted for him. Funnily enough, he forgets my vote? But overall, this isn't a very interesting post.
He thén points out Silver has been a bit quiet for some time. That's pretty towny to me, or at least not very sheep-scumlike.
And then, the scummiest moment for now, he derpshammers Sudgy. He hasn't said anything about Sudgy being scummy so far, so where did that vote come from? It really seems like someone trying to end the day, a.s.a.p., even if he had miscounted the votes. Putting someone on L-1 without citing any reasons is very sheepscum-stuff.
Next day: He starts again voting ADK. Then, why the Sudgy vote the day before? That starts to make less and less sense to me.
Then, he switches. While ADK was superscum at the beginning of the day and there has been not much movement on that front, he decides to vote for a lurker now (namely, me).
THEN, he goes back to vote ADK. Citing this:
The problem with lynching one of them is that we don't get any information when they flip town / scum, since we can't analyse posts that don't exist.
(..)
1. I still think of him as the scummiest player.
2. If he gets lynched we get tons of information from all the posts by him (since he is one of the most active players) and all the posts mentioning him and the two wagons he had on him so far.
3. I don't want to wait for an answer from Hugo, since he didn't post anything for almost 7 days now.
Besides the sudden shift, again, which I think is plausible for a town player, the second reason is very strange. I've pointed this out before, but this is a ridiculously weak reason to vote for someone. Also, if point 1 is true, then why did he vote for me before? Just to poke a lurker? If that's true, than point 3 is again weird. I get a really scummy vibe from this post.
Unvote. The last few days ADK didn't feel as scummy to me as before (that doesn't mean that i think he is town - he is just less scummy) and i think the hugo wagon is justified. I'm not completely sure if i want to vote for him just now, but if he doesn't show up soon and convince me he is town i will propably vote for him.
Mmm.. So, back again? This is some weird voting behavior..
Thén, funnily enough he names all people in order of scummyness, saying that ADK is his top scum and me his second. So, why not vote ADK?
Also, after that he votes for XP (who has the most votes by now) who was 4th on that list of people.
Then, this day, he claims VT after being on L-1. I think VT is an easy claim for newbie scum, as it doesn't really need extra information to support the claim.
Let's vote: xxpittip here. I'm pretty convinced this is the right call.
About Ichi, I can see the case. I really don't like the early claim and his post about me is a very strange one (also, because he was swayed pretty easily, maybe he didn't want to make a fuss about it?). So, yeah, I think he might very well be scum. But I think the pit case is a little more compelling right now, so I'll stick there.
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Honestly, your reaction to my argument about you lurking really irked me at the time. So I definitely responded more emotionally in my reread. I did something similar when I felt tunneled by faust in Dice Mafia--and I got a lot of suspicion for that as well. I think my rereads are much better when they aren't motivated by OMGUS.
I appreciate you posting your reasoning behind voting xxpittip. There's been a lot of vote-slinging going on lately, so this will be something good to refer back to depending on who we lynch today.
Also @WW. If Teproc tunneling people is normally a towntell for him, it's something that's pretty easy to replicate.
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Also, I don't know that I really like some of the arguments being made against my wagon. A lot of them sound very hedgy and most don't sound super compelling either. There's gotta be better reasons not to vote me--like WW's post about my meta.
I just see these as hedging for scum to have a failsafe and switch to my wagon if another doesn't work out. Like "oh yeah, the only reason I wasn't voting ichi was this super poor strawman reason and now for some reason wagon x isn't as compelling, so I'm going to switch now".
Also, pretty sure we only have like 8 hours until the deadline. And we're probably going to need some votes from people who haven't posted in a while. Is Eevee still VLA?
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I just got back! sorry for not being super active the past bit. Going to quickly reread whats happened in the last day or so.
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Whats the vote count at right now?
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Whats the vote count at right now?
I don't recall how many people have shifted their vote from/to pit--but he may be at L-1. So probably don't vote him for now to be safe or until someone can verify how many votes he has.
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ok so at the moment I'm leaning towards pit over ichi. I still have a bad feeling about Hugo but it looks like hes kinda off the table for today.
I have to go for a bit but should easily be back to vote before deadline even if its just a post from my phone.
I'm not voting quite yet because I was to lazy to keep track of all the vote swapping and don't wanna accidentally hammer.
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I am nearly positive Pit only has 3 votes on him now: Me, Eevee, and Hugo. So it's safe to vote him. Most of the people on his wagon changed their votes to either me or Hydrad (ADK, chairs, and Awaclus all moved off his wagon). This makes me feel better that so many people abandoned his wagon after he was close to being lynched.
So it's safe to vote him.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj28soFeGl8
Vote Count 2.3
xxpittip (3): Eevee, Ichimaru Gin, Hugovj
Ichimaru Gin (3): Teproc, chairs, A Drowned Kernel
Hydrad (3): Awaclus, Witherweaver, xxpittip
Not Voting (1): Hydrad
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 3 ends Saturday, December 20th at 11 PM (~6 hours).
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Ok, let's lynch Pit then. Vote: Pit
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Why not Ichi?
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Guys. We have like 3 and 1/2 hours left before the deadline. Time to lynch someone--and that person is not me!
There's really not much time left for arguments--we need votes.
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Pit is at L-2 btw. (and the best wagon today).
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I will be around until deadline but I am extremely disappointed that people seem to not want to lynch Ichi. He is by far my most preferred lynch today.
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Vote: pit
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Also he's at l1 sorry on phone
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I will be around until deadline but I am extremely disappointed that people seem to not want to lynch Ichi. He is by far my most preferred lynch today.
Dude. Deal with it. I'm town ok. You may (obviously) not believe that. But my lynch is terrible here. I promise this will not be like Stack the Deck. Trust me.
PPE: 2
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Hydrad hammer?
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That's L-1. I'll hammer later, unless people show up and are willing to lynch WW or Ichi.
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So we have like an hour and 15 minutes to the deadline.
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I do plan on holding on hope until the last minute.
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I do plan on holding on hope until the last minute.
ok. no probs ;D
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I'm here.
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I'm here.
Awesome. Your lynch choice is likely between me and Pit. Pit is at L-1, and my wagon is not only bad, but also unlikely to go through.
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I'm here.
Awesome. Your lynch choice is likely between me and Pit. Pit is at L-1, and my wagon is not only bad, but also unlikely to go through.
Ye of little faith!
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But yeah we'd need three people to log on and vote for Ichi and that's probably not going to happen.
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My vote's on pit already, and I like it there.
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I'm not for Ichi. Hydrad or Pit.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWuQVpBeqLs
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Intent to hammer Pit
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Go for it.
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HAMMA TIME!!
Vote: Pit
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If I get NK'd (which I think is pretty likely) you guys should probably lynch WW tomorrow. Just my opinion.
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Vote Count 2.FINAL
xxpittip (6): Eevee, Ichimaru Gin, Hugovj, Awaclus, Hydrad, Witherweaver
Ichimaru Gin (3): Teproc, chairs, A Drowned Kernel
Hydrad (1): xxpittip
Not Voting (0):
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 3 ends Saturday, December 20th at 11 PM.
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xxpittip, who was Enter Sandman by Metallica, a Vanilla Townie, has been lynched!
Night 3 start!
Day 4 will begin Monday, December 22 at 10:30 PM. Please submit all night actions/check-in with me by that time.
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A Drowned Kernel the street musician was counting the meager money in his guitar case late at night when a man emerged from the shadows. In the blink of an eye, he picked up ADK's guitar and bashed him over the head - instantly killing him. He then scooped up the remaining bills and coins and shuffled back into the darkness.
While it seems that ADK could hardly ever garner a crowd, this man really knocked 'em dead.
A Drowned Kernel, who was Four Color Love Story by The Metasciences, a 1-shot Bulletproof Bodyguard, has been killed!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmSVKr-utlc
Day 4 start!
Not Voting ( 8 ): Eevee, Ichimaru Gin, Hugovj, Awaclus, Hydrad, Witherweaver, chairs, Teproc
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 4 ends Friday, January 2nd at 11PM (deadline extended 2 days because of holidays).
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Meh. vote: WW
This sucks, but I think we still have a shot at things.
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vote: Ichi
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If I get NK'd (which I think is pretty likely) you guys should probably lynch WW tomorrow. Just my opinion.
*ahem*
Seriously man. You better be WW's partner, cause otherwise your vote on me is terrible.
We're at lylo now I believe. 5 town to a supposed 3 scum. One mislynch and scum's nightkill costs us the game.
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If I get NK'd (which I think is pretty likely) you guys should probably lynch WW tomorrow. Just my opinion.
*ahem*
Seriously man. You better be WW's partner, cause otherwise your vote on me is terrible.
We're at lylo now I believe. 5 town to a supposed 3 scum. One mislynch and scum's nightkill costs us the game.
We could vote for no lynch today if we want, but that's probably not a good idea, because then someone obvtown gets killed and we won't learn anything from that.
In any case, I don't think my vote on you is terrible. If I assume that my town reads (Eevee, Teproc, chairs) are correct, that leaves me with me and 4 other players, out of which probably 3 are scum. I have a scum read on you and Hydrad and a null read on Hugovj and WW. For that reason alone, I'd rather lynch you or Hydrad than WW, and the fact that you're voting for WW makes me want to lynch him a lot less.
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Who here are obvtown, and why?
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Who here are obvtown, and why?
It was an exaggeration.
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If I get NK'd (which I think is pretty likely) you guys should probably lynch WW tomorrow. Just my opinion.
*ahem*
Seriously man. You better be WW's partner, cause otherwise your vote on me is terrible.
We're at lylo now I believe. 5 town to a supposed 3 scum. One mislynch and scum's nightkill costs us the game.
We could vote for no lynch today if we want, but that's probably not a good idea, because then someone obvtown gets killed and we won't learn anything from that.
In any case, I don't think my vote on you is terrible. If I assume that my town reads (Eevee, Teproc, chairs) are correct, that leaves me with me and 4 other players, out of which probably 3 are scum. I have a scum read on you and Hydrad and a null read on Hugovj and WW. For that reason alone, I'd rather lynch you or Hydrad than WW, and the fact that you're voting for WW makes me want to lynch him a lot less.
This additional explanation makes more sense. Except for the part about me voting WW. Seriously, those were ADK's dying words--and I think they deserve some consideration. Although town does still get things wrong, for example XP wanted you guys to lynch me iirc. I defended WW pretty heavily earlier--but I feel much more confident that he is scum now. I can understand your vote on me, but from my perspective--I know this will cost town the game (assuming scum's NK goes through tonight). So that makes it terrible.
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Also, I mostly agree with your townreads--perhaps with the exception of chairs.
I know it's coming up on the holiday and all--but it would be nice for more people to show up.
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I'm clearly obvtown and I'm disappointed that anybody would paint me otherwise.
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I'm clearly obvtown and I'm disappointed that anybody would paint me otherwise.
Dude. I'm not "painting" you as anything. You're someone that is very difficult for me to read and I also can't recall any games I've played with with you being scum. That being said, it's not like you're close to being in my lynch pool or anything--though it seems like you're working to misinterpret what I said. I still don't find you as townie as say Eevee though.
reads.
want to lynch: WW, Hydrad
would lynch: Awaclus, Hugojv,
would not lynch: Eevee, Chairs,
And Teproc I have no idea about. I really, really hate his tunneling of me---and acting as if I am purposefully trying to cloud his vision or something. Also, I think it's worth noting how he obviously deflected the lynch away from Hydrad yesterday--though of course we have no flips to confirm anything. He's still out of my lynch pool today I think.
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If I get NK'd (which I think is pretty likely) you guys should probably lynch WW tomorrow. Just my opinion.
*ahem*
Seriously man. You better be WW's partner, cause otherwise your vote on me is terrible.
We're at lylo now I believe. 5 town to a supposed 3 scum. One mislynch and scum's nightkill costs us the game.
Huh? Why do you think ADK is correct?
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I'm not understanding this turnaround from Ichi at all.
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I'm clearly obvtown and I'm disappointed that anybody would paint me otherwise.
Why?
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I'm clearly obvtown and I'm disappointed that anybody would paint me otherwise.
Redundancy is a scum tell!
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I'm not understanding this turnaround from Ichi at all.
Dah. I'm like really paranoid right now. Town's dying reads are often wrong. At the same time, you're a strong scum player which kind of freaks me out. I was fine buddying you earlier, but now I feel like you are aware that I am susceptible to that and have been using it to keep me from suspecting you.
My reads are all over the place right now. I really want to trust Teproc, but his play this game is really weirding me out. In particular, I really don't get his stance on choosing not to lynch lurkers. Likewise, there are still some people alive that could be considered easy mislynches e.g. Hydrad but play somewhat similarly as scum. Also, there have been a lot of lurkers this game--many of which are still alive and could just be scum coasting through the game.
Chairs response seems overly defensive to me--and not in a townie way. He may be in my lynch pool today after all.
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Chairs response seems overly defensive to me
Regards, the guy who claimed at L-128475692765858.
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Chairs response seems overly defensive to me
Regards, the guy who claimed at L-128475692765858.
Dude. These are completely different responses--and it's also important to take into account a player's meta. If anything, my early claim was an admission that I feared myself being lynched and was trying to survive. Chairs' response, on the other hand, was apparent indignation that anyone would find him anything but obvtown.
I can see that you are making a joke here--but it's by no means as parallel as you make it out to be. It's also irrelevant considering difference in player metas and different responses to suspicion. These are two unique (and very different) responses to having people suspect you.
I don't like this post at all--and it gives me a bad feeling about you.
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Ichi is being so scummy today it's starting to look very towny.
I guess I'm feeling slightly towny on Awaclus as well.
Means I want to lynch WW, Hydrad or chairs, I guess.
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I'm not sure why Ichi wasn't town in the first place. But his out-of-the-gate voting for me I really don't like.
Our lynch pool should be:
You have chosen correctly: {Hydrad, Hugo}
I see you prefer the path less traveled: {Chairs, Awaclus, Teproc}
As your lawyer, I have to advise you against this: {Ichi}
Seriously, wtf are you thinking bro: {Eevee, Witherweaver}
I think Eevee is almost confirmed here.. he's only scum if scum shot ADK over him on Night 2. I guess that's only likely if ADK dropped any PR hints. I didn't pick up on any, but I never do. But regardless, Eevee is out of contention.
Hydrad has looked bad all game, and somehow avoided being lynched. Though, he put Pit at L-1. I can't decide if this is something scum!Hydrad would feel comfortable doing or not. Hugo was on the wagon, too, in L-3, which is a bit of a more comfortable position to be at.
Anyone pick up on any hints on who ADK would have protected? He may have done Eevee again, but it was probably better not to, because he could have cleared another townie player if his target was shot. Who else was on ADK's town list? Of course, he could have just been shot himself. I'm not sure which is more likely.
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I like Hugo/Ichi the most right now.
Ichi has been a important part to almost every lynch this game and Hugo is a gut feeling and seems like hes just lurking under the radar right now since no one is suspecting him.
Vote: Hugo for now.
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Thinking about it more I would also be fine with a WW lynch.
awaclus is next scummiest
Teproc is null/townie
chairs is townie
eevee is towniest.
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Thinking about it more I would also be fine with a WW lynch.
So, why did you vote for Hugo? It's not like anyone's going to believe that you two aren't partners if, immediately after the vote, you say that you will join the most likely mislynch wagon if it ever starts to grow.
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Meh. vote: WW
This sucks, but I think we still have a shot at things.
If I get NK'd (which I think is pretty likely) you guys should probably lynch WW tomorrow. Just my opinion.
*ahem*
Seriously man. You better be WW's partner, cause otherwise your vote on me is terrible.
We're at lylo now I believe. 5 town to a supposed 3 scum. One mislynch and scum's nightkill costs us the game.
Right, so voting WW out of the gate is fine, but voting for you is bad... aside from "I'm town, I promise !" what's the reason for that ?
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Chairs response seems overly defensive to me
Regards, the guy who claimed at L-128475692765858.
Dude. These are completely different responses--and it's also important to take into account a player's meta. If anything, my early claim was an admission that I feared myself being lynched and was trying to survive.
How is this a post town!Ichi makes ? Ichi is not silverspawn, he's not ash. He's not hyper self-aware.
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Ichi is being so scummy today it's starting to look very towny.
Remember Dynasty Warriors ? That's exactly how he survived the early game : too scummy to be scum.
It's also kinda how he won Stack the Deck : established scummy meta, so I never got the cases on him (an often argued against them) because I thought it was too easy.
We need to stop lynching random lurkers because they're not there to defend themselves and to shout whenever they get accused. That's just lazy.
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By the way Ichi, I'm not against lynching lurkers, I'm against lurking as an argument for lynching. Lurking, as it has been proven time and time again, is null. Scum does it, town does it, whatever.
The pit case was bad, and you should feel bad. But here you are, just keep on trucking. ADK gave you a mislynch opportunity, and there you are, working it, relentlessly. NO acknowledgment at all that you've been wrong three times in a row.
And that's for a very simple reason : you haven't been wrong, you've done exactly what you aimed to do.
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If we're going to do NK analysis by the way, I'm not sure why WW would be any more suspect than you. AFAIK,ADK was pretty much the only townie to consistently agree with me on your case. Now you don't want to kill me because you can say "Teproc is just tunneling, ignore him guys" without actually trying to make a move on me, but ADK you can kill and say WW looks scummy because of ADK's twilight WIFOM.
Here's the thing : ADK was very close to an IC. Granted, Eevee was/is too, but Eevee hasn't been super active so ADK was a natural kill choice. ADK dying is indicative of scum playing correctly, not of scum being scared of ADK's reads. I can't think of a scumteam in this game that wouldn't have killed ADK there.
I'm not sure why I'm not voting. I guess maybe someone can expalin to me how this game makes any kind of sense if Ichi isn't scum. Eevee, wanna wake up and start caring about this game ?
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Because at this point, I just can't see anything else. I see a case on WW, but Ichi is pushing it, and that invalidates it.
Which, normally, would be horrible. I know. So talk me out of it guys, explain to me why Ichi's not the lynch. Because I don't get it.
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Good. Teproc's here.
I don't know if you're still following your non-engagment policy with me, but I'll just respond regardless.
Look, I get it. I've been pretty gun-ho on every single mislynch this game--and authentically felt that we were going to catch scum with them. I'm having difficulty thinking who the scumteam is--mostly because we don't have a single scum flip to help us out yet.
I also take issue with your statement that me being on a wagon invalidates it. I mean, I guess given my record of hitting scum this game maybe that does make sense. But I think it's important to look at what the actual case or reasons for voting someone are beyond "person x whom I have a scumread on is voting them, therefore I will not". That's like using negation in order to choose a lynch--which strikes me as somewhat odd.
I don't think that lurking is a null-tell, although you are certainly right that people of all alignments do it. Moreso, I see it as an anti-town behavior that is exhibited by people of both alignments. Sure, town does it as well as scum, but either way, it hurts our ability to read those low activity people.
I gotta go soon and will be back in an hour or so. I would like to have complete faith that you are town--because that would make the game a lot easier for me. But your tunneling of me really gives me pause in that regard.
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I'm having difficulty thinking who the scumteam is--mostly because we don't have that many players who could possibly be scum and most of them are my partners so I don't want to lynch them.
FTFY
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In hindsight, I probably just should have let you guys lynch me earlier to prevent a situation like this.
it sucks, cause now when it matters most, scum has the perfect mislynch candidate in me. Apologies to every other townie I heartily mislynched this game. I know how you feel now.
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Thinking about it more I would also be fine with a WW lynch.
So, why did you vote for Hugo? It's not like anyone's going to believe that you two aren't partners if, immediately after the vote, you say that you will join the most likely mislynch wagon if it ever starts to grow.
I still like Hugo more. I'm just saying WW is also up there so I still like my Hugo vote. I thought it would be good to give my reads on everyone at this point in the game so thats what my second post is there for.
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Thinking about it more I would also be fine with a WW lynch.
So, why did you vote for Hugo? It's not like anyone's going to believe that you two aren't partners if, immediately after the vote, you say that you will join the most likely mislynch wagon if it ever starts to grow.
I still like Hugo more. I'm just saying WW is also up there so I still like my Hugo vote. I thought it would be good to give my reads on everyone at this point in the game so thats what my second post is there for.
Yeah, as long as he isn't in danger and WW doesn't really have a wagon on him.
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So what I'm hearing is top lynch candidates today are:
Hugo
Ichimaru Gin
chairs
Is that accurate?
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@Ichi : I don't want to completely ignore you either (that's just not nice at all), what I was saying earlier is that I don't want to get in big arguments with you, as it is unhelpful to argue with people you're convinced are scum.
As far as your being on a wagon invalidating it, that's not a good argument on my part, and I acknowledged it as such, but it's where I am with this game right now. Which is why I'm asking the people who believe you're town to explain why I'm wrong, to see what I'm missing.
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So what I'm hearing is top lynch candidates today are:
Hugo
Ichimaru Gin
chairs
Is that accurate?
There are no "top lynch candidates". This is mylo. If I somehow get convicned that Eevee is our best shot at lynching scum, I'll lynch Eevee.
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What I mean is that if you have a favorite lynch taht isn't part of those three, it should by no means be considered as "non-viable". This is important, everyone should carefully think before voting (I'm currently not voting because quickhammers are a thing) because we can easily lose the game right here.
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Sidenote : still on vacation until sunday, I'll check in when I can.
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In the interests of saving us having to argue about it later, I should go ahead and claim.
I am a Beloved Prince. If I am lynched, we skip the next Day.
Since we're now at mylo area, I feel like this is important to go ahead and get out there.
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Err... wait, mylo means it wouldn't matter since we wouldn't.. well, anyway, whatever.
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Ok. Interesting (TM). So it doesn't change anything, since mislynching is a loss anyway. It only matters if there's a protective role out there, which is looking unlikely.
I think this makes chairs townie. I don't really know why scum claims that. Obviously my reaction right here would be why, but it's a very specific claim, don't really think it's fake. Worth reconsidering later in the game once we get some scum flips, but for now I think chairs should be out of the lynchpool.
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@Ichi : I don't want to completely ignore you either (that's just not nice at all), what I was saying earlier is that I don't want to get in big arguments with you, as it is unhelpful to argue with people you're convinced are scum.
As far as your being on a wagon invalidating it, that's not a good argument on my part, and I acknowledged it as such, but it's where I am with this game right now. Which is why I'm asking the people who believe you're town to explain why I'm wrong, to see what I'm missing.
I appreciate this. And it makes me feel much townier on you that you aren't 100% convinced I am scum and are willing to listen to other's arguments. I also concur that large arguments with someone who you feel confident is scum are not productive.
I also agree with you concerning chairs claim. So basically, if we lynch him, scum gets two nights in a row to kill people (and I guess town PR's with night actions also get two of them). I am losing my scumread on WW. so unvote.
I mean, if WW was scum, he could have easily joined my wagon and probably get me lynched today. He might get a little heat for changing his mind on me, but it'd probably go through. And then he and his partners would win the game. I voted him partially for this reason--to test if he would turn on me. His response makes me feel relatively sure that he is town. Probably even enough to out him from my personal lynch pool for today.
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So what I'm hearing is top lynch candidates today are:
Hugo
Ichimaru Gin
chairs
Is that accurate?
How is Hydrad getting a pass?
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In the interests of saving us having to argue about it later, I should go ahead and claim.
I am a Beloved Prince. If I am lynched, we skip the next Day.
Since we're now at mylo area, I feel like this is important to go ahead and get out there.
Wow. What was your song?
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Man, making that claim helps not at all at mylo, unless you are scum in which case it's awfully convenient. Did you breadcrumb at all or anything? People with a negative utility role usually can't help at least mentioning falling on their sword for common good in day 1.
If truthful, chairs's claim implies we have less scum or some really strong town roles somewhere.
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How is it convenient for scum to make that claim ? It changes nothing to the lynching math.
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How is it convenient for scum to make that claim ? It changes nothing to the lynching math.
How does it help if you are town? You should be trying to draw the nightkill, arguably should have much been for quite some time now. Town learns nothing from the claims but scum now knows not to kill him.
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scum now knows not to kill him.
Which is why usefulPR!chairs might want to post it. And the possibility of that is a reason why scum might want to kill him after all. Which is why telling-the-truth!chairs might want to post it too.
I don't think it's a good idea for scum!chairs to lie about it. It's a risky move for a possible small benefit, and scum!chairs wouldn't need to take the risk there: he is high on nobody's scum reads list.
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I would say "this isn't what I would do as scum" and link something, but frankly I can't think of a game I was scum that had me last more than a few posts without breaking down and dying xD
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zcd1Cx2x5lk
Vote Count 4.1
Ichimaru Gin (1): Awaclus
Hugovj (1): Hydrad
Not Voting (6): Ichimaru Gin, chairs, Eevee, Witherweaver, Teproc, Hugovj
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 4 ends Friday, January 2nd at 11PM
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Ugh, so this is looking very bad.
I'm running out of ideas for scum (and I am very busy with Christmas (will there be a time when I won't be busy?)).. Let's run by everybody who's alive today..
Awaclus - Seems to be an active player. Keeping Newbie Mafia in mind, where he was an excellent scum player, I don't trust him completely. He seems to agree a lot with WW and Ichi lately.
Hydrad - Keeps on bugging me with his vote, has made some weird comments, but besides that... I really don't know.
Ichi - Claims VT, at a very weird moment (!). In my opinion the one with the most suspicious behavior.. But I really do not like the link with Awa and WW, which makes me think that the scum are playing out in the open at this crucial stage.
Chairs - Claims Prince. No reason not to believe him I think. I don't really see him as suspicious.
Eevee - I trust Eevee, and I have seen no reason to believe otherwise.
WW - Again, the link with Ichi in particular is pretty suspicious.
Teproc - I trusted him in the beginning of this game, but the previous day and the whole Ichi-situation makes me think that either him is scum or Ichi. And I have no idea who is what.
So, overall: No idea who is scum.. I'll have to do a more intensive reread, but that will probably come on Boxing day or maybe later, because Christmas.
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Ugh, so this is looking very bad.
I'm running out of ideas for scum (and I am very busy with Christmas (will there be a time when I won't be busy?)).. Let's run by everybody who's alive today..
Awaclus - Seems to be an active player. Keeping Newbie Mafia in mind, where he was an excellent scum player, I don't trust him completely. He seems to agree a lot with WW and Ichi lately.
Hydrad - Keeps on bugging me with his vote, has made some weird comments, but besides that... I really don't know.
Ichi - Claims VT, at a very weird moment (!). In my opinion the one with the most suspicious behavior.. But I really do not like the link with Awa and WW, which makes me think that the scum are playing out in the open at this crucial stage.
Chairs - Claims Prince. No reason not to believe him I think. I don't really see him as suspicious.
Eevee - I trust Eevee, and I have seen no reason to believe otherwise.
WW - Again, the link with Ichi in particular is pretty suspicious.
Teproc - I trusted him in the beginning of this game, but the previous day and the whole Ichi-situation makes me think that either him is scum or Ichi. And I have no idea who is what.
So, overall: No idea who is scum.. I'll have to do a more intensive reread, but that will probably come on Boxing day or maybe later, because Christmas.
Yep, this pretty much confirms it. The scum team is Ichi, Hugo, Hydrad.
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Lynch my "partners" first then. I think Hugo's reads post is quite hedgy on nearly everyone. He seems to think me and WW are pretty scummy though. Him not voting would normally look somewhat scummy, but quickhammers are a concern.
If we're going to guess scumteams, my bet is on Hugo/Hydrad/Teproc just cause I think he makes the most sense as their partner. He's defended both of them pretty heavily and deflected wagons against them. Especially with how this game is going, I can easily see scum blatantly defending their partners--as that happens a lot even when scum doesn't have the advantage.
Without a single scumflip though, guessing the team isn't that productive.
I don't really like Hydrad's silence. There is the holiday and all, but he's played this game pretty carefully. I should probably do a reread of him.
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Well, then, lynch Hydrad first. Looks fine to me, as you both seem to agree he is scum.
Anyway, I could claim. Would that be useful to you? (As it'll probably be 'bad for town', but hey, let's not try to lynch a townie today)
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All in favor of lynching Hydrad?
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All in favor of lynching Hydrad?
I'm doubting myself after Ichi and Hugo were suggesting that we should lynch Hydrad. Actually the fact that you're pushing the Hydrad lynch like this too makes me this much less sure about my town read on you as well. So, I think that the following group of people has 3 scum and 2 town players: chairs, Ichi, Hugo, Hydrad, WW. If four of those players want to lynch Hydrad, that means that either scum agreed to push a Hydrad lynch last night to make themselves look townier or Hydrad is actually town and scum is trying to set him up for a mislynch. It's hard for me to imagine it being beneficial for scum to do the former, and that's why despite my strong scum read on Hydrad, I don't want to lynch him.
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All in favor of lynching Hydrad?
I'm doubting myself after Ichi and Hugo were suggesting that we should lynch Hydrad. Actually the fact that you're pushing the Hydrad lynch like this too makes me this much less sure about my town read on you as well. So, I think that the following group of people has 3 scum and 2 town players: chairs, Ichi, Hugo, Hydrad, WW. If four of those players want to lynch Hydrad, that means that either scum agreed to push a Hydrad lynch last night to make themselves look townier or Hydrad is actually town and scum is trying to set him up for a mislynch. It's hard for me to imagine it being beneficial for scum to do the former, and that's why despite my strong scum read on Hydrad, I don't want to lynch him.
I agree with this statement--and it makes me feel townier on you. Unfortunately, it's likely that whoever we lynch today will have the support of at least some of those players you listed--and some of them have to be town. With how much people are vocally supporting the Hydrad lynch, it does make me feel less good about it.
However, it could also be that scum might verbally offer support of their partner's lynch, but no one is really voting right now.
It's strange though. Because I would feel wary of any lynch that seemed too easy today. However, it stands to reason that whatever lynch actually ends up going through is the "easiest" one since it will be the one that actually goes through. Though other lynches could be considered easier, I think they will be opposed (at least by town) for that very reason.
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Vote: Hydrad
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I'm here! sorry I was more VLA that anticipated.
hmm so chairs claimed. I've never heard of a role like that before so I doubt scum would come up with a role like that to fakeclaim. So right now chairs is off the table for me.
I still think it might be Hugo though. Although its mostly gut feeling I'll try and make a case on him soon.
Also since we might be in mylo in my opinion I think if your a PR with any information this would be the time to share it.
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I stll don't know what the case on Hydrad is. He's playing according to his town meta, which is admittedly scummy, but I've mislynched him twice for doing exactly what he's doing here. I'm going to need more than that for him to be a serious consideration here. We can catch him after lynching his partners if he's scum.
I'll try to reread him (or, even better, the whole game) once I get a home in a few days.
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I stll don't know what the case on Hydrad is. He's playing according to his town meta, which is admittedly scummy, but I've mislynched him twice for doing exactly what he's doing here. I'm going to need more than that for him to be a serious consideration here. We can catch him after lynching his partners if he's scum.
I'll try to reread him (or, even better, the whole game) once I get a home in a few days.
iirc I just mislynched him in Dresden Files and felt that there was even a very strong case against him then--much stronger than this game. So yeah, it's somewhat dangerous to lynch him today given his meta. We still have like 6 days until the deadline right?
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Bumpity bump.
I'm pretty sure no-lynch here sucks, so let's get to it!
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Bumpity bump.
I'm pretty sure no-lynch here sucks, so let's get to it!
Will you do Hugo?
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Bumpity bump.
I'm pretty sure no-lynch here sucks, so let's get to it!
Will you do Hugo?
He's in my lynch pool for today. So Yes.
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I'm back home, so I'll be more present in the next few days.
If we can't lynch Ichi, off the top of my head my leading candidates would be WW and Awaclus.
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I'm back home, so I'll be more present in the next few days.
If we can't lynch Ichi, off the top of my head my leading candidates would be WW and Awaclus.
In that case I think we can lynch Ichi. :P
No wait, actually I think we can lynch Ichi anyway.
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I could do Hugo too, and maaaaaaybe WW or chairs, but I'd rather lynch Hugo or Ichi first.
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I'll switch to Hugo. I don't want to go anyone other than Hugo or Hydrad today. I haven't gotten a scum feel from Ichi, Awaclus or Teproc all game.
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Well, I feel there isn't much to be said anymore. Claiming probably won't help anyway..
I want to lynch either Hydrad or Ichi. Actually, the only one I really wouldn't want to see lynched is Eevee..
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So we're not doing Ichi today? Fine, let's do Hugo then. vote: Hugo
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I would vote Hugo; however, I would like to know how many votes he has on him first. I don't know if there's value in using more of this day--since that sometimes gives scum more time to manipulate things. But I definitely don't want things to end with a scum quickhammer.
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I would vote Hugo; however, I would like to know how many votes he has on him first. I don't know if there's value in using more of this day--since that sometimes gives scum more time to manipulate things. But I definitely don't want things to end with a scum quickhammer.
Scum doesn't get quickhammered :P It looks like he has 2 votes on him.
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Why the change of heart Awaclus ?
PPE : Yeah, Hydrad and Awaclus are voting Hugo right now. If they're both town as well as Hugo, we could be in quickhammer territory.
Actually Ichi could be placing the first quickhammer vote here for his partners WW and... who does that leave, chairs ?
I'll reread Hugo... let's say tomorrow, I'm too tired today. I didn't think anything there last time I did this, but who knows I guess, gotta consider it.
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I guess if the quickhammer includes chairs, I'm not too scared by the possibility.
I really do not like the idea of lynching someone else than Ichi today though. I'm not seeing scumteams that don't include him.
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I was going to vote Hugo, but not after Teproc's post.
There's still time, and I'm not gonna put him at L-2 right now. And yes, of course scum doesn't get quickhammered, but I'd like to be pretty sure about things before I take that chance. Otherwise it's like "welp, he got quickhammered, guess he wasn't scum" and it's over.
PPE: Then again, vote: Hugo. I'm not feeling so great about Teproc right now, but it could just be he has wrong reads and isn't scum tunneling me. It's not worth it given the chance of me being mislynched, which will almost surely lose the game.
In case of a quickhammer, I want it down in the record that I feel very, very suspicious of Teproc's play this game. You wanted to lynch WW earlier, why not now? If you can't lynch me, odds are I will be voting for whoever gets lynched today. So why does that stop you from voting for WW but not others?
And I'm actually going to unvote. Scum has obviously done a good job manipulating town this game--the Hugo lynch feels to easy and too soon for this day. I don't like Awaclus and WW pushing the wagon and Teproc continuing to tunnel me either.
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So why does that stop you from voting for WW but not others?
What ? We're talking about Hugo, not WW... WW would be a fine lynch, but I'm not ready to make compromises yet. This is mylo, I want us to lynch our best shot. No lynch is also not a very big deal, so I don't feel any need to switch my vote.
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So why does that stop you from voting for WW but not others?
What ? We're talking about Hugo, not WW... WW would be a fine lynch, but I'm not ready to make compromises yet. This is mylo, I want us to lynch our best shot. No lynch is also not a very big deal, so I don't feel any need to switch my vote.
Considering your read on me since pretty much D1 this game, I don't really expect you to change your vote.
It just seemed like you dropped your read on WW in a way I found a little suspicious.
For the sake of conjecture, let's say there's no chance of my lynch going through today. You're saying your read on me is so strong that you'd rather no-lynch than lynch someone other than me today?
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Well no-lynch isn't too big a deal here since we're at mylo. No lynch would just mean that Eevee dies I think.
So for this particular day, sure.
Now the next day, that's of course different, since no lynch means we lose the game. In that case, if I'm really convinced you can't be lynched (which I'm far from being at this point), I'll vote someone else, probably WW or Awaclus.
Then of course there's the fact that I'm going to do some rereading in the next few days, maybe I'll discover you're town and Eevee is scum while doing that, who knows.
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Allright, claiming time.
My song was 'Pink Fluffy Unicorns Dancing On Rainbows' by Andrew Huang, and my role is Weak Visitor, so I could check whether people were town or not, if they were not, I'd die.
So, I didn't check anyone N1, I checked Eevee N2 and ADK N3. Both are town, as I'm still alive.
Please believe me, I'm really not the one you're looking for.
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unvote
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Sorry, I thought that I'd be the only one voting for Hugo after my vote, it was not my intention to enable a quickhammer there. Well, a quickhammer didn't happen, so one or more of the following statements has to be true (assuming 3 scum players): Hydrad is scum; Hugo is scum; chairs is scum and not online. Which doesn't really tell me anything I didn't already suspect, but at least it's consistent.
Also, I'm losing a lot of confidence in almost all of my conclusions lately and now I don't want to lynch anyone but Ichi today. vote: Ichi
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Well. Assuming you and Teproc are both town, scum hasn't quickhammered me yet, so I must be town!
/Sarcasm
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Well. Assuming you and Teproc are both town, scum hasn't quickhammered me yet, so I must be town!
/Sarcasm
This is more nonsensical than I meant it to be, but whatever.
Is chairs there? What about Eevee? You (Awaclus) believe Hugo's claim--but I'd be interested to hear what others think of it. I'm unsure at the moment. I didn't really see him in imminent danger of being lynched right now, so it seems somewhat premature to me (oh, but I can't say anything about that without being called out as a hypocrite).
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Why the change of heart Awaclus ?
What are you referring to?
Well. Assuming you and Teproc are both town, scum hasn't quickhammered me yet, so I must be town!
/Sarcasm
Alternative theory: Teproc isn't actually voting.
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Is chairs there? What about Eevee? You (Awaclus) believe Hugo's claim--but I'd be interested to hear what others think of it. I'm unsure at the moment. I didn't really see him in imminent danger of being lynched right now, so it seems somewhat premature to me (oh, but I can't say anything about that without being called out as a hypocrite).
I'm not sure if I believe it, but somehow it sounds genuine. And he was in imminent danger of being lynched if he was town, because a single townie voting for him would enable a quickhammer if exactly 2 scum were online and not voting.
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Alternative theory: Teproc isn't actually voting.
;D
Is chairs there? What about Eevee? You (Awaclus) believe Hugo's claim--but I'd be interested to hear what others think of it. I'm unsure at the moment. I didn't really see him in imminent danger of being lynched right now, so it seems somewhat premature to me (oh, but I can't say anything about that without being called out as a hypocrite).
I'm not sure if I believe it, but somehow it sounds genuine. And he was in imminent danger of being lynched if he was town, because a single townie voting for him would enable a quickhammer if exactly 2 scum were online and not voting.
He had 2 votes on him--which could theoretically be any combination of town or scum. I'm pretty sure he would need 2 town votes on him and then all 3 scum would have to be online and vote him to quickhammer him.
Or are you saying you were taking that as a baseline and then one additional townie vote on him + 2 scum online would result in a quicklynch? I still don't see how Hugo was in any danger of being quickhammered unless both Awaclus and Hydrad are town and all of the (likely) 3 scum were online at once--and decided to try and quicklynch him. He was perhaps in danger of being in danger of being quicklynched.
Also, without daychat, those are a little more difficult to pull off than people think. Unless scum agreed about a time they would all be online ahead of time, odds are they wouldn't try a quicklynch in the traditional way given we've only had a maximum of 2 votes on any person all of today.
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Or are you saying you were taking that as a baseline and then one additional townie vote on him + 2 scum online would result in a quicklynch? I still don't see how Hugo was in any danger of being quickhammered unless both Awaclus and Hydrad are town and all of the (likely) 3 scum were online at once--and decided to try and quicklynch him. He was perhaps in danger of being in danger of being quicklynched.
Yes. And it doesn't sound at all unlikely that there could have been 2 scum online at a time at some point after another townie voted for Hugo, regardless of Hydrad's alignment.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TsOPjZEF6E
Vote Count 4.2
Ichimaru Gin (1): Awaclus
Hugovj (1): Hydrad
Hydrad (1): Witherweaver
Not Voting (5): Ichimaru Gin, chairs, Eevee, Teproc, Hugovj
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 4 ends Friday, January 3rd at 11PM (I will be gone on the 2nd, so I've extended the deadline to the 3rd).
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Allright, claiming time.
My song was 'Pink Fluffy Unicorns Dancing On Rainbows' by Andrew Huang, and my role is Weak Visitor, so I could check whether people were town or not, if they were not, I'd die.
So, I didn't check anyone N1, I checked Eevee N2 and ADK N3. Both are town, as I'm still alive.
Please believe me, I'm really not the one you're looking for.
I'm sorry Hugo but this doesn't make me think your town from just this.
Its a claim that looks like its helping but really isn't giving that much information at all. checking ADK is weird because he had a pretty high chance of getting killed last night as his claim made him really towny.
The eevee one is one that is already off the table for mylo at this point.
It just kinda feels like a claim to try and live for a day to lynch a town member.
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I got my internet back. Planning on doing a rereading at least to some extent before voting. Will do that later today.
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Allright, claiming time.
My song was 'Pink Fluffy Unicorns Dancing On Rainbows' by Andrew Huang, and my role is Weak Visitor, so I could check whether people were town or not, if they were not, I'd die.
So, I didn't check anyone N1, I checked Eevee N2 and ADK N3. Both are town, as I'm still alive.
Please believe me, I'm really not the one you're looking for.
I'm sorry Hugo but this doesn't make me think your town from just this.
Its a claim that looks like its helping but really isn't giving that much information at all. checking ADK is weird because he had a pretty high chance of getting killed last night as his claim made him really towny.
The eevee one is one that is already off the table for mylo at this point.
It just kinda feels like a claim to try and live for a day to lynch a town member.
I mean, he could have chosen his fake claim specifically for this purpose, but a weak Visitor probably wants to target people who are likely town (or if not, at least if I can make that wrong assumption, Hugo can too). So it's not super informative, but his night actions make sense.
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This is a pretty convenient claim since it clears a dead person and someone we already think is town... but that's probably what I would expect Hugo to do with that role. There are basically two ways he could have used it :
- only checking kinda obvtown people to make them actual ICs
- claiming (or heavily breadcrumbing) and using it as an investigative power.
Actually. Hugo, did you breadcrumb your targets at all ?
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Actually. Hugo, did you breadcrumb your targets at all ?
Uhm, not really? I was thinking about saying I trusted Eevee or something like that, but every time I tried to write something like that, I couldn't phrase it the way I wanted it: not really a soft claim, but more casual. Time after time I decided I shouldn't do it. Also because I already was being watched, so a soft claim could have made matters worse for me.
Also, Hydrad, you'd have chosen the people you suspected the most? That's an odd way of playing I think. I mean, if you lived, you'd know someone who is suspicious is town, but that is just such a risk to take.
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That's kind of a creative fake claim for a relatively new player, though.
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Meh, could've been coached.
I buy his response to my question though, it reads natural. I don't think we should lych Hugo today.
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It would be a creative claim to make for an expert as well. The role makes sense but we've never seen it before. I'm inclined to believe it, especially coming from a newer player I already thought was town before.
I don't think scum is trying a quickhammer this early, not with how strong their position is. I mean, sure if the opportunity arises, but lining all 3 is just so difficult.
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Eevee, since you're here : thoughts on Ichi ?
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I'm unsure, it's so difficult until we get our first scum flip. Pretty good likelihood either you or him are scum, though. I guess I trust you more, but your insistence on him makes more sense for scum, I think.
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I'm unsure, it's so difficult until we get our first scum flip. Pretty good likelihood either you or him are scum, though. I guess I trust you more, but your insistence on him makes more sense for scum, I think.
Yeah, I get that. That's why I'm asking you, really, because I do feel like I'm being blinded by it. But it's so tough for me to consider lynching other people now that we're at mylo.
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Well, I still want Hydrad.
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Well, I don't. And I don't think you should want Hydrad either unless 1) you're scum 2) you believe that both of Hydrad's teammates were suggesting that he should be lynched 3) you believe that Eevee or Teproc is scum. And unless you've changed your mind lately, 3 isn't true for you, so why do you think that scum would (pretend to) want to lynch one of their own?
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Part of the reason I still am ok with Hugo is that if hugo is town that means eevee is town. I also think chairs is town.
So I'm left with ichi WW awa and teproc to find all the scum.
I'm fine with ichi and WW being in there. But I think hugo is much more likely then awa or teproc right now if theres another scum.
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Pretty good likelihood either you or him are scum, though.
I don't like this. I'm not saying I necessarily disagree. I understand that you guys can't know my alignment, but this makes me feel much worse about Teproc. It seems pretty obvious he's tunneled me since D1 and all of his theories about scumteams and this game are dependent on me being scum. I really have no idea why he has focused his attention on me this game--it has certainly not been my intention to "blind" him or dominate his attention for some scum reason. I would want to lynch WW here, but again, I think if he was scum, he could easily support my wagon and probably win the game for his team that way.
Is chairs VLA? Because it would be nice to hear from him--even though he'll probably support my wagon.
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I would want to lynch WW here, but he's my partner so I don't
FTFY
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I would want to lynch WW here, but he's my partner so I don't
FTFY
From your point of view, I guess our mutual defense of each other does look that way...
I bus people though.
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Then again, scum is doing so well here, if I was scum, I probably wouldn't feel the need to bus any of my partners. Not when the scumteam have a good chance of getting a perfect win. And me as a pretty viable candidate for the winning mislynch.
Did you end up doing a reread Teproc? I'd be interested if you found anything that changed your mind about me. You seem to be open minded regarding my alignment, but continue to stubbornly tunnel me. Unfortunately, if you are town, I can see why you don't want to give up now. I at least feel like your read on me is sincere, so that's something.
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Well, I don't. And I don't think you should want Hydrad either unless 1) you're scum 2) you believe that both of Hydrad's teammates were suggesting that he should be lynched 3) you believe that Eevee or Teproc is scum. And unless you've changed your mind lately, 3 isn't true for you, so why do you think that scum would (pretend to) want to lynch one of their own?
I'm not thinking in terms of teams/partners, just on who has been the most scummy. The first is a trap in closed setups; look what it did in Monster's U. We don't even know there is a 3-man scum team here. There could be traitors or other non-Mafia factions. I think it's better to lynch whomever is the scummiest, and not try to figure out teams before we've even had a scum flip.
And what do you mean by both of Hydrad's teammates? You didn't vote for Hydrad today; in fact you pulled the focus off of him onto Hugo.
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Pretty good likelihood either you or him are scum, though.
I don't like this. I'm not saying I necessarily disagree. I understand that you guys can't know my alignment, but this makes me feel much worse about Teproc. It seems pretty obvious he's tunneled me since D1 and all of his theories about scumteams and this game are dependent on me being scum. I really have no idea why he has focused his attention on me this game--it has certainly not been my intention to "blind" him or dominate his attention for some scum reason. I would want to lynch WW here, but again, I think if he was scum, he could easily support my wagon and probably win the game for his team that way.
Is chairs VLA? Because it would be nice to hear from him--even though he'll probably support my wagon.
Why me?
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Pretty good likelihood either you or him are scum, though.
I don't like this. I'm not saying I necessarily disagree. I understand that you guys can't know my alignment, but this makes me feel much worse about Teproc. It seems pretty obvious he's tunneled me since D1 and all of his theories about scumteams and this game are dependent on me being scum. I really have no idea why he has focused his attention on me this game--it has certainly not been my intention to "blind" him or dominate his attention for some scum reason. I would want to lynch WW here, but again, I think if he was scum, he could easily support my wagon and probably win the game for his team that way.
Is chairs VLA? Because it would be nice to hear from him--even though he'll probably support my wagon.
Why me?
I even less so want to lynch you now. And didn't want to much in the first place. Just your play in general this game makes me a bit nervous--and I'm pretty sure I don't have a very good track record of catching you as scum. It's probably just my paranoia.
I'm warming up a bit to an Awaclus lynch myself.
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And what do you mean by both of Hydrad's teammates? You didn't vote for Hydrad today; in fact you pulled the focus off of him onto Hugo.
No, but I was willing to do it until everyone else was willing to do it too.
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I re-read D1 (going to re-read the rest as well, but it was a bigger project than I thought so I'm taking a break here). I'm talking about Beyond Awesome when I'm referring to myself here. I'm not describing posts by myself, Eevee and dead people unless they're relevant for drawing conclusions about the other posts.
ADK suggests song claiming
Ichi: fine with song claiming, says that it won't help town because scum can fake claim and might be able to guess PRs, but "it might be useful"
Hydrad: posts, says he's fine with song claiming and in the same post he says that we shouldn't song claim
chairs: thinks that role claiming D1 is generally bad for town, but is "torn" because it would offer an interesting situation to replace RVS
Ichi: thinks Eevee's points against song claiming are good
I apparently find Ichi scummy for this and vote for him.
Ichi: OMGUSes me and makes it sound like both votes are RVS.
WW: doesn't have a problem with song claiming because PRs can fake clam too, doesn't think my vote was RVS
Ichi: says that the RVS thing was sarcasm, "because it might as well be an RVS vote". Uh, what?
Sudgy softclaims and silverspawn votes for him
chairs: votes sudgy, doesn't say anything relevant
WW: defends sudgy
Teproc: thinks it's slightly townie, but not a strong indicator
Teproc: doesn't think sudgy's reasoning for finding chairs scummy is good
chairs: wants to lynch sudgy and XP
Hydrad: defends XP
Hugo: votes sudgy
WW: votes Hugo for voting sudgy
chairs: wants to keep pushing the sudgy wagon
Teproc: still doesn't think sudgy's arguments are good, doesn't think Hugo has been coached, votes WW
Teproc: votes sudgy
WW: doesn't like the sudgy wagon
Teproc: wants WW to elaborate
WW: doesn't want to elaborate
chairs: votes Pit
Ichi: votes Pit
Ichi: says Pit could know that XP is an easy mislynch if he was coached (in response to silverspawn)
Hydrad: doesn't like the fast-growing Pit wagon
Ichi: likes the fast-growing Pit wagon
Hydrad: agrees that it's not as bad as he thought, but still doesn't like it
Ichi: understands that, but still likes it
Hydrad: has a useless conversation with chairs
chairs: has a useless conversation with Hydrad
WW: votes Hydrad (who already had ADK's vote on him) for white knighting
Hydrad: doesn't think it was white knighting
WW: says it's only one defense, but still defending
Teproc: thinks Hydrad is town for this
WW: points out that Hydrad did it in his last scum game as well
Ichi: thinks Hydrad is town
Hugo: doesn't think Hydrad is suspicious
Teproc: now thinks the Hydrad case is reasonable, but still likes the sudgy lynch
chairs: wants to lynch Hydrad
chairs: posts a poem and votes sudgy
Hugo: votes ADK for joining the sudgy wagon
Ichi: doesn't want to lynch XP, Hydrad or ADK because they are easy mislynches
WW: doesn't think ADK is scum
chairs: votes ADK (this actually happened after some of the Teproc/Ichi interactions, but I put it here because I think it's easier to make sense of things that way)
Hydrad: wants to lynch ADK (this too)
chairs: votes me for lurking
Ichi: finds me suspicious for lurking
Teproc: could lynch ADK but he'd much rather lynch sudgy or Ichi
Ichi: says that Teproc's case against him is mystifying
Teproc: Reads list, finds chairs and Ichi scummy and Hydrad towny
Teproc: votes Ichi
Ichi: doesn't have motivation to post because his "participation is apparently more scummy than lurking"
WW: votes Ichi
Ichi: defends himself
Teproc: finds Ichi's post towny and votes sudgy
sudgy gets lynched
Conclusions: I wonder where my town read on chairs came from, maybe it's something on D2. He looks pretty scummy here. WW's posts didn't feel scummy at all, but his actions are much less towny. I don't see Hydrad or Hugo as scummy here, Teproc is pretty towny, Ichi is slightly scummy.
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I was going to correct you about who my "might as well be an RVS vote" was directed to but then remembered you subbed in for BA. I thought your/BA's vote there was extremely contrived--still do. I find this reread pretty townie though.
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request prod on chairs. It's been 5 days since he last posted.
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A lot less organized this time, sorry. Also, towards the end I had to do this in a hurry so there might be posts missing, I'll make sure there's nothing important I didn't notice a bit later. D2:
Ichi: suggests the possibility of ADK being scum because of the silverspawn kill
chairs: votes ADK
Ichi: votes ADK
WW: Asks why Ichi wanted to wait before voting for ADK, thinks that scum could have read into silverspawn being a PR
Ichi: Replies to WW with "Reasons" and says that ADK sounds like frustrated scum
WW: Says that nobody was obvtown
Ichi: Kind of takes back some of his arguments against ADK, but doesn't stop voting for him
WW: doesn't think WIFOM is a likely reason for the nightkill
Teproc: Surprised that ADK is at L-1
chairs: joking, then says that there's nothing to talk about other than ADK
Teproc: points out that there are two flips to talk about, then proceeds to talk about them
Teproc: re-reads for the possibility of finding people deflecting away from ADK, quotes Eevee, WW and Ichi
WW: Asks how Teproc tells the difference between deflecting and actually thinking ADK is town
Teproc: explains that Eevee's quote is the only one that would make sense as ADK's partner, and that he doesn't like that wagon
Teproc: now he thinks Ichi is scum again
Teproc: thinks that you shouldn't vote for ADK if you don't think anyone was deflecting, and then votes for WW for this reason
Hydrad: Finds ADK his top suspect, but still surprised at the big wagon on him, also suspects Hugo but doesn't think they are a team
Ichi: Thinks that the quick ramp up of ADK's wagon is cautionary, but that that's the argument ADK's theoretical partners would use
Hydrad: Doesn't really want to lynch XP
WW: Didn't remember that XP was in the game
WW: votes all lurkers in the same post
WW: Votes Hydrad for not knowing how many scum there are
Hugo: Still believes ADK is scum, but points out that the fast L-2 is a bit fishy, and votes Ichi
WW: votes Pit
Teproc: still thinks ADK is town
Hugo: finds Pit's reasons for voting ADK bad
Ichi: defends himself against Hugo's, uh, case on him even though it wasn't even a case really
WW: doesn't think ADK is necessarily town
WW: votes Hugo, who already has WW's vote on him
Hugo: doesn't see the post where he said he thinks ADK is scum
Teproc: Doesn't know what to do with the Hugovj wagon
And then I say that chairs is slightly towny. Yeah, there was absolutely no reason for that at all.
Hydrad: votes Hugo
Ichi: thinks the Hugo wagon is good, says that its quick growth isn't a good reason to oppose it
WW: Asks if Ichi still thinks ADK is scum
Ichi: Says that he'd rather lynch Hugo
Teproc: votes XP
Hugo: reacts rather strongly to being accused by Ichi, votes XP
WW: agrees that XP is usually more controversial
Teproc: says "See : WW's signature" which is funny now
WW: Says Eevee, ADK and Teproc are town, doesn't have an opinion about Ichi or chairs other than maybe slightly town, thinks that Hugo is scummy, Hydrad is either super scummy or super towny, I'm null, pit is null to slight scum and XP maybe scum.
WW: says the town part about Hydrad was a joke
Teproc: wonders why WW doesn't vote for Hydrad then
Ichi: doesn't think that Hugo's emotional response to his wagon was towny
WW: Says that he doesn't vote for Hydrad because he's voting for Hugo
Teproc: votes WW
Ichi: mentions scum!WW, but something and then he wants to lynch Hugo, XP or Hydrad. Or pit.
Hydrad: wants to lynch everyone
Ichi: makes a big case on Hugo and concludes that he's newbie scum.
Hydrad: Doesn't want to lynch Teproc, me, Eevee or IG
Teproc: Thinks that Ichi's case on Hugo is constructed and is convinced that Hugo is town, votes for Ichi
Ichi: OMGUSes Teproc
Ichi: votes XP
WW: says Teproc votes for wrong people
WW: thinks that Ichi is town
Ichi: jokes with WW about being partners
WW: jokes with Ichi about being partners
Ichi: wants to lynch Hugo or XP
Hydrad: worried about how quiet pit has been
Ichi: votes Hugo
Ichi: says that a Hugo derphammer wouldn't be bad
chairs: joins the Eevee "wagon" that XP started
chairs: thinks that ADK and Eevee are likely scum together or town together
WW: thinks that chairs's statement about ADK and Eevee is weird
Ichi: Thinks that XP is emulating his town meta and that pit looks pretty scummy too, but still wants to lynch Hugo.
Teproc: thinks that Ichi is interesting
Ichi: thinks someone should hammer Hugo
Teproc: thinks that Hugo's post seems like a typical newbie town post
Ichi: Asks Eevee why Hugo shouldn't be lynched
Ichi: joins the XP wagon
Ichi: Asks what's the case against WW
chairs: votes WW
Hydrad: also interested in ADK's sudden WW vote
Ichi: says that we're not lynching WW
WW: jokes with Ichi about being partners
Ichi: jokes with WW about being partners
Hydrad: thinks the WW case is interesting and votes WW
Ichi: not a huge fan of a Hugo lynch anymore, wants to lynch XP
WW: votes Hydrad
Ichi: thinks that an early lynch is good, and that Hydrad is worth paying more attention to
Ichi: Understands that joking is scummy, but would rather not vote for WW
WW: wants to lynch Hydrad, Hugo or Pit
Ichi: thinks that Teproc is setting him up for a mislynch, thinks that WW should want to lynch XP
Ichi: Isn't "diametrically opposed" to lynching WW, but would rather lynch other people
Teproc: makes a case on Ichi, votes Ichi
Ichi: thinks we should lynch lurkers
Ichi: claims VT
Hydrad: wonders why Ichi wanted to claim this early
chairs: joins the XP wagon
WW: Defends XP
Hydrad: would rather a Hugo/WW lynch
Teproc: hammers XP
Conclusions: Ichi is scum, WW is scum, chairs is scum. Everyone else is most likely town.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-V-3c5DiFQ
Vote Count 4.3
Ichimaru Gin (1): Awaclus
Hugovj (1): Hydrad
Hydrad (1): Witherweaver
Not Voting (5): Ichimaru Gin, chairs, Eevee, Teproc, Hugovj
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 4 ends Friday, January 3rd at 11PM (I will be gone on the 2nd, so I've extended the deadline to the 3rd).
request prod on chairs. It's been 5 days since he last posted.
Prod sent.
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Sorry, I've been trying to access the forum but have been getting SQL timeout errors every time I did until today. I'd be able to read, but not post.
Awaclus has some really good data there, but as I'm clearly not scum it's unfortunately reached a flawed conclusion.
I'm fine with vote: witherweaver.
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Here's my problem. Let's imagine that Ichi is town and I'm completely off-base. If that's true, I'd expect scum to encourage me in my Ichi case hoping to get their final mislynch through. Obviously Awaclus fits that bill, but who are his partners ? Maybe WW and Hugo or something ? He's gotta be bussing someone in his called scumteam there, if he's scum, and I'm not sure who.
Actually WW is looking like a pretty good lynch here. I can see him as a partner for both Ichi and Awaclus.
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In case we no lynch, which wouldn't be a big deal since we're at mylo, just putting it out there : Hugo, do not use your power, because if you target scum we lose.
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I just feel like if we managed to lynch scum here I'd feel more comfortable than a no-lynch.
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I'm going to do the rest of the re-read tomorrow, if I can.
I don't think we should no-lynch. I mean, if we don't lynch anyone, we just lose Eevee, and that's not the end of the world but I'd much rather not have that happen. So we should try to decide on a lynch, and only go for the no-lynch if it's inevitable. Right now I like an Ichi lynch the most, and I'm very much fine with WW too. Or chairs if things go that way, but that's probably not relevant and I'd rather lynch the other two first anyway. I prefer a no-lynch over any of the remaining 5, though.
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I feel like Awaclus is town though. Or he's scum bussing. Becase who are his partners if he's scum not bussing ? I think Eevee, Hugo and chairs are probably town, that only leaves Hydrad, WW and Ichi. Maaaaybe chairs is scum but based on play I still don't think an Awaclus/Hydrad/chairs team is all that likely.
Maybe there's only two scum (Ichi and WW for example) and they have really good roles ? I'm having trouble seeing 3-man scumteams here, and we do have a negative utility PR in chairs, along with a questionable utility PR in Hugo (assuming those claims are even true). We don't know what sudgy's JOAT was, maybe it wasn't that good ?
Either that or I'm wrong about the claims. Or scum is bussing, but I'm not sure I entirely get why scum!Awaclus would bus so heavily at mylo.
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Deadline's in 2 days I think?
I think I've said pretty much all that I want to. There's not a ton of time left, but I don't really want a no lynch here. I will most likely still be alive tomorrow if that happens--and then it'll be the same dilemma, though we'll probably have lost Eevee. At the same time, it would suck to lose things by mislynching someone. My reads have been pretty horrid this game, so I don't feel all that confident in them at this point.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeo3an2M_Lo
Vote Count 4.4
Ichimaru Gin (1): Awaclus
Hugovj (1): Hydrad
Hydrad (1): Witherweaver
Witherweaver (1): chairs
Not Voting (4): Ichimaru Gin, Eevee, Teproc, Hugovj
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 4 ends Saturday, January 3rd at 11PM.
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Friday is Jan 2nd, right? Does it end Friday or Saturday?
I don't really know who I want if Hydrad isn't happening. I'm going to try to get a reread in tomorrow.
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My mistake. It ends Saturday the 3rd.
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vote: WW
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Lame.
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WW lynch is fine but I like no lynching here. It's not like we have an actual IC here, and having Eevee actually flip town is actually helpful for PoE. I suppose we'll probably lynch WW tomorrow anyway, but we'll also have to no lynch at some point too.
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I'm willing to lynch WW, IG, Hugo. If its not one of them I'd much rather nolynch.
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Why are people changing their minds about WW? Is it because I'm not voting for him?
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Why are people changing their minds about WW? Is it because I'm not voting for him?
Because he's scummy.
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D3:
Ichi: doesn't want to get mislynched when he's gone
ww: agrees with my case on Pit
Teproc: asks me and WW why Pit
WW: explains why Pit
Hugo: doesn't think explaining votes is scummy
WW: explains why explaining votes is a scum tell
chairs: discusses his scum meta, surprised at the lack of a kill
Ichi: says that there's WIFOM in people saying that Teproc is towny
chairs: against massclaim
Hydrad: against massclaim
Ichi: against massclaim, thinks that ADK is scummy for asking questions
Ichi: says that ADK being a PR changes things
Hydrad: wants to protect our other PRs
chairs: thinks that it was probably ADK's target who got targeted
WW: thinks ADK's claim would be bold if it was a fakeclaim
Teproc: believes ADK's claim
Hydrad: posts and says nothing relevant
WW: calls Hydrad out on that
Hydrad: says that he thinks it's better than not posting at all
chairs: agrees with everything
Hydrad: thinks that chairs's personality changes every day
Ichi: doesn't think I've posted in a long time (which was true)
Ichi: votes Pit after I explain the case on him
Teproc: doesn't think that being defended is a good reason to get lynched
WW: agrees, but points out that defending someone is a good reason to get lynched
Ichi: thinks that scum tried to kill Eevee for his reads
Ichi: doesn't think that Hydrad and Pit had partnerish interactions, but my other points were good
Hydrad: thinks ADK might have been the target for the NK because of his post that made it sound like he had a PR
Hydrad: says that he didn't have ADK high on his "kill list"
Ichi: votes Hydrad after I point that out
chairs: votes Hydrad
WW: wants to lynch Hydrad or Pit
Ichi: says that Pit is most likely newbie town and not scum, but wants to lynch Hydrad or Pit anyway
Ichi: thinks Teproc's tunneling is annoying
Teproc: re-reads Pit, wants to re-read Ichi too before doing anything
chairs: votes Pit, doesn't announce L-1
chairs: says that he thought it was obvious because it was right after a vote count
Teproc: re-reads Ichi's day 1, still thinks Ichi is scum
Ichi: agrees with everything Teproc says
Hydrad: finds that interesting
Teproc: Finishes the Ichi re-read, still thinks Ichi is scum, and thinks that the pit lynch is easy
chairs: votes Ichi
Ichi: defends himself, but doesn't really address any of Teproc's points, and says that Teproc is the only one who thinks Ichi is scummy (which was not true)
Ichi: thinks that Pit is a good lynch and that others are obviously trying to distract from it
Ichi: calls ADK out on a sheeping vote on his wagon
WW: votes Hydrad
Hugo: thinks that the cases on Pit and Ichi look convincing, but contradictory
Deadline approaches
Teproc: doesn't think that Hydrad should be lynched, thinks that Pit is better than no lynch but doesn't like it, wants to lynch Ichi, fine with WW and me
WW: says that Ichi has been pretty townie, and that Hydrad and Pit very much not so
Ichi: not sure about Pit, considers a Teproc lynch, says that the people in his lynch pool are chairs, Hydrad, pit and Hugo
Ichi: votes chairs, unvotes chairs, and votes Pit in the same post
WW: doesn't think that scum!Teproc tunnels
Hugo: re-reads Pit, votes Pit
Ichi: says that someone's reaction to his argument irked him, not sure who he's talking about, maybe Hugo?
Ichi: doesn't like the arguments against his wagon, because it's easy for scum to switch wagons when their arguments against voting for someone are bad. Mentions that WW's argument, however, was good.
Hydrad: leaning towards Pit over Ichi, still has a bad feeling about Hugo
Ichi: says that we have to lynch someone (and when he says "someone", he means Pit)
WW: Hammers Pit
Yeah, still looks like Ichi and WW for sure. And probably chairs, but now I'm a little bit less sure about that as Hydrad was scummy there as well.
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vote: ichimaru gin
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vote: ichimaru gin
Why not WW?
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I mean, Ichi would be the best lynch of course, but WW is more likely to happen I think.
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Yep. My lynch will be amazing. Just like every other town lynch this game.
I'm somewhat more partial to Teproc's idea for a no-lynch, but we'll still have the same problems tomorrow. I will live the night and then you'll mislynch me and throw the game.
From your point of view, this probably just sounds like scum scare tactics or whatever. Please. I know a lot of you have already made up your minds about my alignment to a large degree and nearly everything I do will be taken as confirmation for that belief. I really am baffled to a degree at this game as I feel like people normally find me townie when I'm town. I really feel ok about a WW lynch here--if only because it seems that's the alternative to my own wagon which I know is terrible.
Hugo posted in the VLA thread, so I don't know if there's a possibility of him being around at the deadline.
Of the people who are on my wagon, I feel fairly sure that Teproc and chairs are town. They usually both suspect me a fair amount anyway. I feel less good about Awaclus though. I didn't follow Fish Mafia that closely, but from what I gather his scumplay in that game was pretty impressive. I might do a reread of him if I have time. I fear that scum continues to drive the wagons this game though. I don't like the feeling that scum might even have two mislynch candidates in me and WW and we're each a winning mislynch alternative to the other.
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And I know Teproc isn't voting, but he may as well be. I've been his #1 lynch candidate for practically this entire game.
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I don't like the feeling that scum might even have two mislynch candidates in me and WW and we're each a winning mislynch alternative to the other.
I don't like the feeling that you're overemphasizing being town in every post of yours.
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Why are people changing their minds about WW? Is it because I'm not voting for him?
Because he's scummy.
I don't get this. All I see is you paraphrase what's been going on with me, but I don't understand at all why you think it's scummy.
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I don't like the feeling that scum might even have two mislynch candidates in me and WW and we're each a winning mislynch alternative to the other.
I don't like the feeling that you're overemphasizing being town in every post of yours.
I had a longish reply to this, but decided to not post it, since it probably wouldn't be helpful. You seem to have a way of twisting my words or having jokey responses to my posts instead of addressing what I actually say.
I'm caring less and less about this game. I haven't played that great here, but town in general hasn't either. Assuming a 3 man scum team, I don't think we can afford a single mislynch from this point on. Regardless, if I don't get lynched today, and scum haven't won, people will want to lynch me tomorrow. I think there's a very good chance you're scum and so that's where I'm putting my vote. vote: Awaclus. You've managed to stay mostly in the background without a lot of suspicion on you, and you're driving wagons against me and someone I think is town.
PPE: 1
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WW lynch is fine but I like no lynching here. It's not like we have an actual IC here, and having Eevee actually flip town is actually helpful for PoE. I suppose we'll probably lynch WW tomorrow anyway, but we'll also have to no lynch at some point too.
WW lynch is losing, which is not fine. I always have a hard time believing no lynch is a good idea.
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I don't like the feeling that scum might even have two mislynch candidates in me and WW and we're each a winning mislynch alternative to the other.
I don't like the feeling that you're overemphasizing being town in every post of yours.
I had a longish reply to this, but decided to not post it, since it probably wouldn't be helpful. You seem to have a way of quoting me accurately and having serious responses to my posts.
I'm caring less and less about this game. I haven't played that great here, but town in general hasn't either. Assuming a 3 man scum team, I don't think we can afford a single mislynch from this point on. Regardless, if I don't get lynched today, and scum haven't won, people will want to lynch me tomorrow. I think there's a very good chance you're scum and so that's where I'm putting my vote. vote: Awaclus. You've managed to stay mostly in the background without a lot of suspicion on you, and you're driving wagons against me and my scum partner.
I don't think there's a very good chance I'm scum. Actually, I'd say that the chance is, let's see, approximately 0. Are you seriously suggesting that the scum team is me, Hugo and Hydrad?
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Teproc had a pretty believable theory that the scumteam is only 2 players. I see that as pretty likely at this point. I mean, from what we've seen, town doesn't seem like it's had any strong PR's--and a possible negative utility role in chairs (I think I believe his claim). It kinda makes sense that the scumteam would be smaller to balance it out.
So the question is, why do you immediately act as if I am calling out a scumteam of you, Hugo, and Hydrad (which I'm not)? You again, twist my words and make assumptions that I am not even hinting at.
You've had a lot of theories today about possible scumteams, but the thing is without a single scum flip to go off of, those are mostly fluff. I think the odds are good that the scumteam is only 2 players--which would mean we're not actually in mylo. It's not something I want to bet the game on, and I'm not going to guess who your possible partner (partners?) is/are; however, I do have an increasing scumread on you.
I don't even understand how your post is even a defense. You're not scum because...one iteration of a theoretical scumteam with you in it doesn't look very likely at this point?
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I don't like the feeling that scum might even have two mislynch candidates in me and WW and we're each a winning mislynch alternative to the other.
I don't like the feeling that you're overemphasizing being town in every post of yours.
I had a longish reply to this, but decided to not post it, since it probably wouldn't be helpful. You seem to have a way of quoting me accurately and having serious responses to my posts.
I'm caring less and less about this game. I haven't played that great here, but town in general hasn't either. Assuming a 3 man scum team, I don't think we can afford a single mislynch from this point on. Regardless, if I don't get lynched today, and scum haven't won, people will want to lynch me tomorrow. I think there's a very good chance you're scum and so that's where I'm putting my vote. vote: Awaclus. You've managed to stay mostly in the background without a lot of suspicion on you, and you're driving wagons against me and my scum partner.
I don't think there's a very good chance I'm scum. Actually, I'd say that the chance is, let's see, approximately 0. Are you seriously suggesting that the scum team is me, Hugo and Hydrad?
I don't see how that's all that unlikely. The thing that makes it most unlikely is Hugo's claim. But maybe it could have been talked about in scum QT. Teproc could be on a team as well. Chairs probably not, but maybe; Eevee very probably not.
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Teproc had a pretty believable theory that the scumteam is only 2 players. I see that as pretty likely at this point. I mean, from what we've seen, town doesn't seem like it's had any strong PR's--and a possible negative utility role in chairs (I think I believe his claim). It kinda makes sense that the scumteam would be smaller to balance it out.
So the question is, why do you immediately act as if I am calling out a scumteam of you, Hugo, and Hydrad (which I'm not)? You again, twist my words
I don't know about that. Let's see:
Assuming a 3 man scum team,
I feel fairly sure that Teproc and chairs are town.
you're driving wagons against me and someone I think is town.
I don't really want a no lynch here. I will most likely still be alive tomorrow if that happens--and then it'll be the same dilemma, though we'll probably have lost Eevee.
You literally said all of this. On this page, even. If there are 3 scum, Teproc is town, chairs is town, WW is town, Eevee is town and you're town, all of the remaining three players have to be scum, therefore if you believe everything you have claimed to believe recently, you also necessarily have to believe that the scum team is me, Hugo and Hydrad.
You've had a lot of theories today about possible scumteams, but the thing is without a single scum flip to go off of, those are mostly fluff. I think the odds are good that the scumteam is only 2 players--which would mean we're not actually in mylo. It's not something I want to bet the game on, and I'm not going to guess who your possible partner (partners?) is/are; however, I do have an increasing scumread on you.
Well, I've never played town before and it didn't say on the article I read that trying to examine scum teams is a bad idea.
I don't even understand how your post is even a defense. You're not scum because...one iteration of a theoretical scumteam with you in it doesn't look very likely at this point?
It wasn't supposed to be a defense, and neither is this one.
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I had missed Teproc's post earlier. I changed my mind about the likely size of the scumteam. I feel like that's pretty apparent. People are allowed to change their minds. Like right now, I'm not guessing who you're partner(s) would be--I think you're scummy, so I want to lynch you.
Trying to analyze scum teams is not a bad idea. However, doing so without a single scum flip is normally pretty pointless--and an easy way for scum to seemingly contribute without actually offering anything useful. I also feel like that qualifying statement was pretty clear in my other post, so I feel like you're working a bit to misinterpret what I am saying.
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gah I hate being in these mylo situations. Its too stressful to try and figure out who is the scum.
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I had missed Teproc's post earlier. I changed my mind about the likely size of the scumteam. I feel like that's pretty apparent. People are allowed to change their minds. Like right now, I'm not guessing who you're partner(s) would be--I think you're scummy, so I want to lynch you.
Trying to analyze scum teams is not a bad idea. However, doing so without a single scum flip is normally pretty pointless--and an easy way for scum to seemingly contribute without actually offering anything useful. I also feel like that qualifying statement was pretty clear in my other post, so I feel like you're working a bit to misinterpret what I am saying.
It was certainly not apparent when I said that you were suggesting a me/Hugo/Hydrad team, because that was when I was replying to the post where you assumed a 3 man scum team. You are allowed to change your mind, of course, but it's unreasonable to demand that people somehow just know that you've changed your mind when they're replying to your newest post you wrote 30 minutes ago.
Yes, that qualifying statement was pretty clear in your other post. You wrote pretty much that exact same thing in your previous post. And that's what I was talking about: I don't think that it's a bad idea to analyze scum teams before flips when we're at MyLo, because there isn't a huge number of different possibilities so it's actually possible to look at all of them individually, and if you find someone who appears in all of the likely scum teams, then he's probably scum and if you find someone who doesn't appear in a single likely scum team, then he's probably not scum. I could be wrong — like I said, this is my first town game so I don't have any experience about it, but intuitively, it feels super right to me. Besides, Teproc was doing the same thing a bit earlier and you think he's town (and correctly so, if I'm not mistaken).
Interestingly, I feel like you're working a bit to make me misinterpret what you're saying.
I don't see how that's all that unlikely. The thing that makes it most unlikely is Hugo's claim.
For starters, I know for sure that I'm town. That alone makes me/Hugo/Hydrad a pretty unlikely scum team. :P But seriously, the case against me is apparently this:
- I haven't gotten a lot of attention
- I played the Fish Mafia well
- I want to lynch the scummiest player and the player who the scummiest player finds towny
I mean, that's not really even a case.
I don't get this. All I see is you paraphrase what's been going on with me, but I don't understand at all why you think it's scummy.
I think Ichi is scum and you being scum would fit into that picture pretty much perfectly. Also, you've been whiteknighting a lot of people who then got killed or lynched and were proven town, while you have also been super consistent with your scum reads for the entirety of the game, both of which are things that are very likely to happen under the circumstances of knowing for sure that everyone is town and having to fabricate your scum reads. Also, there is nothing that would make me think you're town. And then there are the reasons why others have found you scummy in the past days.
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Could we just lynch somebody already? I want to see a fleeepppp.
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Whatever. vote: ichi
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Oh today's last day right? I'm ok with ichi lynch and I might not be here for the rest of the day so I'm going to
Vote: ichi
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This is it. Please see that scum is going to try and lynch me now. All those who are true town, please unvote!
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I don't like Ichi. Not participating in that.
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Still prefer no lynching today.
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Still prefer no lynching today.
I understand a nolynch if your target isn't the one being voted. But why do you want a no lynch if ichi is the one that might be lynched. Unless you think he's townie now.
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I actually like the WW lynch better right now, it covers more possible scumteams, specifically one with Awaclus.
Though I guess I'll lynch Ichi sooner or later, even if WW does flip scum. Alright, might as well do it now, but we should absolutely no lynch at some point.
vote: Ichi
This is L-1. I'm really sorry if Ichi is tow because I massively screwed up this whole game then, but I can't make sense of this game if Ichi is town.
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We all have to go sometime I guess. I'm at least excited my song will get to play--as that should be fun, but this is probably it for town. Unless there's only 2 scum, or the NK doesn't go through for some reason.
I didn't play this game optimally, but neither did town in general I think.
Finalish reads are that I feel suspicious of Hydrad and Awaclus.
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Vote: Ichi
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Haha. Nice job WW if you're scum. No one seemed to care about my reads, but I felt like they were pretty good today.
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Ichimaru Gin has been lynched! He was "Leave out all the Rest" by Linkin Park, a Vanilla Townie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shaoE95xVIA
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Since nothing can prevent the Mafia's nightkill, as long as they don't miss the deadline, they can kill anyone and win. So, I'll just call it here.
MAFIA TEAM OF TEPROC, WITHERWEAVER, AND HYDRAD WINS!!!
Mod QT: http://quicktopic.com/50/H/YwNemVJXX2f
Mafia QT: http://quicktopic.com/50/H/U8GwHyRSWM7pT
Speccy QT: http://quicktopic.com/50/H/cBy3RuK9JHz
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Hugovj:
Welcome, Hugovj, to M54: Musical Mafia! You are "Pink Fluffy Unicorns Dancing on Rainbows" by Andrew Huang, a Weak Visitor. You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated and at least one Town-aligned player is still alive.
Each night, you may target one player. Nothing will happen. However, if you target a Mafia-aligned player, you will die.
chairs:
Welcome, chairs, to M54: Musical Mafia! You are "Down Rodeo" by Rage Against the Machine, a Supersaint. You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated and at least one Town-aligned player is still alive.
When you are lynched, you will passively kill whoever placed the hammering vote.
A Drowned Kernel:
Welcome, A Drowned Kernel, to M54: Musical Mafia! You are "Four Colored Love Story" by The Metasciences, a 1-shot Bulletproof Bodyguard. You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated and at least one Town-aligned player is still alive.
Each night you may target one player. Any kills that target that player that night and the following day will instead target you. As long as you successfully target someone, you will be immune to the first nightkill to target you. You will not be notified when this has been used up.
silverspawn:
Welcome, silverspawn, to M54: Musical Mafia! You are "Painters of the Tempest" by Ne Obliviscaris, a Town Backup. You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated and at least one Town-aligned player is still alive.
You will inherit the powers of the first Town PR to die.
sudgy:
Welcome, sudgy, to M54: Musical Mafia! You are "Brass Goggles" by Steam Powered Giraffe, a JOAT. You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated and at least one Town-aligned player is still alive.
You have four 1-shot powers at your disposal. Each night, you may choose one to use.
1-shot Tracker: Target one player. You will be told the name(s) of any players they targeted that night. You will receive "No Result" if your action was blocked or they didn't target anyone.
1-shot Roleblocker: Target one player. Any actions they complete that night will fail.
1-shot Doctor: Target one player. They will be protected from one nightkill.
1-shot Vanilla Cop: Target one player. You will be told their Role in the form of Vanilla/Not Vanilla.
xxpittip:
Welcome, xxpittip, to M54: Musical Mafia! You are "Enter Sandman" by Metallica, a Vanilla Townie. You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated and at least one Town-aligned player is still alive.
You better sleep with one eye open and grip your pillow tight, because you have no powers. Use your vote wisely!
Beyond Awesome/Awaclus:
Welcome, Beyond Awesome, to M54: Musical Mafia! You are "All Along the Watchtower" by Jimi Hindrix, a Vanilla Townie. You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated and at least one Town-aligned player is still alive.
No reason to get excited, you're just a VT. But you can still use your vote!
XerxesPraelor:
Welcome, XerxesPraelor, to M54: Musical Mafia! You are "Let all mortal flesh keep silence" by John Rutter, a Vanilla Townie. You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated and at least one Town-aligned player is still alive.
You have no powers, but that shouldn't make you keep silent! Vote!
Ichimaru Gin:
Welcome, Ichimaru Gin, to M54: Musical Mafia! You are "Leave out all the Rest" by Linkin Park, a Vanilla Townie. You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated and at least one Town-aligned player is still alive.
I had more to say, but I decided to leave out all the rest. So, you're just a VT.
Eevee:
Welcome, Eevee, to M54: Musical Mafia! You are Da Vinci by Weezer, a Vanilla Townie. You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated and at least one Town-aligned player is still alive.
Besides your vote, you have no powers. Lame! I know that you're probably at a loss for words, but don't worry - everything will be alright in the end.
Witherweaver:
Welcome, Witherweaver, to M54: Musical Mafia! You are "March of the Black Queen" by Queen, a Mafia Goon. You win when the number of Mafia-aligned players is greater than or equal to the number of Town playres or nothing can prevent that from occurring.
You have no powers, but you can talk to your fellow Mafia players here (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/U8GwHyRSWM7pT). Each night, one of you must complete the factional kill in your QT or via PM.
Hydrad:
Welcome, Hydrad, to M54: Musical Mafia! You are "Radioactive" by Imagine Dragons, a Mafia Rolestopper. You win when the number of Mafia-aligned players is greater than or equal to the number of Town players or nothing can prevent that from occurring.
Each night, you may target one player (including yourself). Any actions (besides kills) that target your target will fail. You can talk to your fellow mafia players here (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/U8GwHyRSWM7pT). Each night, one of you must complete the factional kill in your QT or via PM. You cannot both Rolestop and kill in the same night.
Teproc:
Welcome, Teproc, to M54: Musical Mafia! You are "Time" by Pink Floyd, a Mafia Backup. You win when the number of Mafia-aligned players is greater than or equal to the number of Town players or nothing can prevent that from occurring.
You inherit the power of the first Mafia PR to die. You can talk to your fellow Mafia players here (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/U8GwHyRSWM7pT). Each night, one of you must complete the factional kill in your QT or via PM.
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Hoora.
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Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood. I so knew it.
Nice job guys.
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I won a scum game! Nice work guys
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Boooooooooooooooooooo.
Well, sorry about that Ichi. Sorry I'm not sorry for advocating your lynch multiple times again, WW.
And damn, I've got to stop being fooled by Teproc.
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Boooooooooooooooooooo.
Well, sorry about that Ichi. Sorry I'm not sorry for advocating your lynch multiple times again, WW.
And damn, I've got to stop being fooled by Teproc.
Well if you advocate lynching me every game, you're going to be right every time I'm scum :P
Also, everyone see Chairs' role pm? That was a cool gambit by him.
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I hope people watch my death song, cause I was really looking forward to it. Man, I thought my reads were really good, but I let people talk me out of them, again.
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Of course, barring the fact I was on like every single town lynch this game...
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ow.
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Also ww I was worried you weren't going to get here in time to hammer.
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MVP goes to Teproc, of course. Not only because he succesfully lead the Town into lynching all the lurkers, but because he garnered almost no suspicion doing so.
Hope people liked the setup! I thought it was fairly balance with a bit more power in Town's hands. But I think Town should be slightly more powerful in closed games because scum can really easily fakeclaim (and turns out Town can too!). What really killed them this game was the amount of lurking. It was basically just lynching lurkers until D4 were scum had controlled the Town enough to solidify a mislynch. I think this game is a good example of how scum can easily win if they are able to take control of the Town and lead it's lynches. Especially if they don't get much flak for doing so and can hide behind the excuse of "well, they were lurkers".
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right, so stop lurking in future games.
and stop lynching pit.
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in terms of reads this game was a complete trainwreck.
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Also, I told Teproc I'd talk about this after the game had finished, so here we go: How lenient should mods be with vote syntax? I didn't realize that a space before the colon was common outside of the United States (or maybe it's a European thing?), but if someone tells me before the game starts that it's easier for them to have "Vote : Archetype" count for Vote Counts, I'm totally ok with letting that count. My issue was allowing it mid game as a mod action like that could influence someone's read on him. Probably just being over-concerned, but I don't like to make rules changes once the game has begun based on someone's request.
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I don't like playing scum. But, it's fun when you win.
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I'd say, count vote: playername, vote:playername, vote : playername and vote:obviousNickForPlayerName
don't count vote playername, vote: playername, vot: playername, vote:: playername, votte: playername, or really anything that isn't the stuff above.
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right, so stop lurking in future games.
and stop lynching pit.
says the guy that was a huge part of lynching pit on day 1 in his first game :P.
But ya thats really why i dislike lynching newer players as I don't want them to feel discouraged and quit.
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Man, I really like hugo's role. So simple and interesting. We should use that role in future games.
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Man, Teproc had me fooled.
Up until the flip I was just as "convinced" that Ichi was scum. Huh.
I didn't realize that a space before the colon was common outside of the United States (or maybe it's a European thing?)
Only in France, as far as I know. I think the voting syntax should ignore spaces and capitalization (as long as you don't write something ridiculous, like VoTe : Whoe vEr)
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right, so stop lurking in future games.
and stop lynching pit.
says the guy that was a huge part of lynching pit on day 1 in his first game :P.
But ya thats really why i dislike lynching newer players as I don't want them to feel discouraged and quit.
I was scum there... that doesn't count.
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I'd say, count vote: playername, vote:playername, vote : playername and vote:obviousNickForPlayerName
don't count vote playername, vote: playername, vot: playername, vote:: playername, votte: playername, or really anything that isn't the stuff above.
What about vpte:?
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Vote: Witgerweaver and Vote: WW are both illegal.
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I mean Vote: Witherweaver
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Yay, we won !
Also yay, first MVP in a normal game !
Also, sorry Ichi. My case was mostly genuine, though I didn't try very hard to look elsewhere (though I pretended to).
Glad to have fooled the speccy too :D
Thanks to Arch, that was an interesting setup. We got very, very lucky with sudgy and silver, JOAT was probably the strongest town asset in the game. The Bodyguard variant ADK had was pretty cool too.
Oh, and chairs : what exactly were you trying to achieve with your fakeclaim ? Basically I'm assuming you were trying to get lynched with scum hammering, but Beloved Princess didn't change anything to the lynch math since we were at mylo, so why ?
As far as votecounts go, it looks like it's a French-only thing, which means it's a me-only thing here, so I'd say stick to the strict syntax. It annoyed me briefly, but I pay more attention now to it and it's just fine.
Final note : this game is a textbook example for why lurking is antitown, yet lynching lurkers isn't that great either. Ichi did a post count in day 2, and the three scum were in top 4 posters I think.
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I actually didn't think Ichi seemed scummy at all.. I mean, hard to say if I would have thought differently as town, but I thought he seemed normal here.
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Oh yeah, funny thing too. I was going to claim 1-shot bullet proof, and I had the perfect song claim with it. ("The Luckiest Guy on the Lower East Side" by Magnetic Fields.. one of my favorite bands (I love Queen too), and I've posted a lot of their stuff... and luck => dodge a bullet.) Then ADK has to come out with 1-shot bulletproof bodyguard, and no one was going to believe me~.
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Also, sorry Ichi. My case was mostly genuine, though I didn't try very hard to look elsewhere (though I pretended to).
That's ok. I definitely suspected you, but you did a good job of talking me out of it. I'm just so used to you being town in every game. No more of course. I never should have given up on my OMGUSness. I'll probably have trust issues forever now ;D.
And congrats on the MVP!
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I hadn't cotton to that yet. I'm VT; my gguess at the scum team is IG/Hydrad/Teproc. I think ww's thing could be white-knighting, but then again, the way he does it (building a case) makes it feel better. It's easier to do that sort of things for gut reasons. Ignore my sudgy thing. Lynch lurkers. Bye.
PPE: J can't make that argument when I'm dead, so I have to make it now.
Third town game in a row where I got 2/3 of the scum team. Sorry, IG. (And it looks like I got fooled by ww's buddying)
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Boooooooooooooooooooo.
Well, sorry about that Ichi. Sorry I'm not sorry for advocating your lynch multiple times again, WW.
And damn, I've got to stop being fooled by Teproc.
Well if you advocate lynching me every game, you're going to be right every time I'm scum :P
Also, everyone see Chairs' role pm? That was a cool gambit by him.
Thanks.
Yay, we won !
Also yay, first MVP in a normal game !
Also, sorry Ichi. My case was mostly genuine, though I didn't try very hard to look elsewhere (though I pretended to).
Glad to have fooled the speccy too :D
Thanks to Arch, that was an interesting setup. We got very, very lucky with sudgy and silver, JOAT was probably the strongest town asset in the game. The Bodyguard variant ADK had was pretty cool too.
Oh, and chairs : what exactly were you trying to achieve with your fakeclaim ? Basically I'm assuming you were trying to get lynched with scum hammering, but Beloved Princess didn't change anything to the lynch math since we were at mylo, so why ?
As far as votecounts go, it looks like it's a French-only thing, which means it's a me-only thing here, so I'd say stick to the strict syntax. It annoyed me briefly, but I pay more attention now to it and it's just fine.
Final note : this game is a textbook example for why lurking is antitown, yet lynching lurkers isn't that great either. Ichi did a post count in day 2, and the three scum were in top 4 posters I think.
I was kind of hoping that at least one Town member would be like "this sounds like bullshit" and jump on it, giving you guys (whoever you were) a great excuse to jump on my wagon and get dunked.
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It could have worked.. some town members were considering voting for you, and certainly if any of us had the chance to quickhammer you we would have, which would have bought an extra day, and possibly made the other scum on wagon look bad.
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I hadn't cotton to that yet. I'm VT; my gguess at the scum team is IG/Hydrad/Teproc. I think ww's thing could be white-knighting, but then again, the way he does it (building a case) makes it feel better. It's easier to do that sort of things for gut reasons. Ignore my sudgy thing. Lynch lurkers. Bye.
PPE: J can't make that argument when I'm dead, so I have to make it now.
Third town game in a row where I got 2/3 of the scum team. Sorry, IG. (And it looks like I got fooled by ww's buddying)
Watch out when WW wants to be your buddy!