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Dominion => Rules Questions => Topic started by: sudgy on November 10, 2014, 06:18:36 pm

Title: Embargo + On Buy
Post by: sudgy on November 10, 2014, 06:18:36 pm
When buying an Embargoed card with an on-buy effect, do you choose which happens first of the gaining a Curse, and the on buy effect?  I would think so, even though it most of the time doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Embargo + On Buy
Post by: sudgy on November 10, 2014, 06:21:33 pm
And, is there any case where you don't want to gain the Curse first?
Title: Re: Embargo + On Buy
Post by: Drab Emordnilap on November 10, 2014, 06:44:58 pm
And, is there any case where you don't want to gain the Curse first?

I played Outpost. I want my three card outpost hand to be X/X/Y and the top card of my deck to be Curse, for whatever reason. X is Embargoed and costs 4, Y costs 5. I have Talisman in play and Watchtower in hand, $9 and two buys. To get my hand and deck I want, I need to buy X first, triggering Talisman and Embargo on buy effects, and have Embargo happen first so I can topdeck the Curse underneath the talismaned X, the bought X, and the Y I buy in a second.

EDIT: Just realized I did the opposite of what you asked. Pretend I said you want your Outpost turn to be X/Y/Curse, and X on top of the deck.
Title: Re: Embargo + On Buy
Post by: AJD on November 10, 2014, 06:51:03 pm
When buying an Embargoed card with an on-buy effect, do you choose which happens first of the gaining a Curse, and the on buy effect?  I would think so, even though it most of the time doesn't matter.

Right, Embargo's on-buy effect and e.g. Farmland's on-buy effect happen at the same time (i.e., on buy).
Title: Re: Embargo + On Buy
Post by: sudgy on November 10, 2014, 10:46:41 pm
And, is there any case where you don't want to gain the Curse first?

I played Outpost. I want my three card outpost hand to be X/X/Y and the top card of my deck to be Curse, for whatever reason. X is Embargoed and costs 4, Y costs 5. I have Talisman in play and Watchtower in hand, $9 and two buys. To get my hand and deck I want, I need to buy X first, triggering Talisman and Embargo on buy effects, and have Embargo happen first so I can topdeck the Curse underneath the talismaned X, the bought X, and the Y I buy in a second.

EDIT: Just realized I did the opposite of what you asked. Pretend I said you want your Outpost turn to be X/Y/Curse, and X on top of the deck.

Nooooo now I have to make it in my program.....
Title: Re: Embargo + On Buy
Post by: blueblimp on November 10, 2014, 10:48:03 pm
And, is there any case where you don't want to gain the Curse first?
1 curse in supply, Haggler in play, Gold is embargoed. Buy Gold gaining IGG from Haggler.
Title: Re: Embargo + On Buy
Post by: qmech on November 11, 2014, 03:01:33 am
And, is there any case where you don't want to gain the Curse first?

I played Outpost. I want my three card outpost hand to be X/X/Y and the top card of my deck to be Curse, for whatever reason. X is Embargoed and costs 4, Y costs 5. I have Talisman in play and Watchtower in hand, $9 and two buys. To get my hand and deck I want, I need to buy X first, triggering Talisman and Embargo on buy effects, and have Embargo happen first so I can topdeck the Curse underneath the talismaned X, the bought X, and the Y I buy in a second.

EDIT: Just realized I did the opposite of what you asked. Pretend I said you want your Outpost turn to be X/Y/Curse, and X on top of the deck.

Nooooo now I have to make it in my program.....

You're recoding Isotropic?
Title: Re: Embargo + On Buy
Post by: sudgy on November 11, 2014, 01:58:06 pm
And, is there any case where you don't want to gain the Curse first?

I played Outpost. I want my three card outpost hand to be X/X/Y and the top card of my deck to be Curse, for whatever reason. X is Embargoed and costs 4, Y costs 5. I have Talisman in play and Watchtower in hand, $9 and two buys. To get my hand and deck I want, I need to buy X first, triggering Talisman and Embargo on buy effects, and have Embargo happen first so I can topdeck the Curse underneath the talismaned X, the bought X, and the Y I buy in a second.

EDIT: Just realized I did the opposite of what you asked. Pretend I said you want your Outpost turn to be X/Y/Curse, and X on top of the deck.

Nooooo now I have to make it in my program.....

You're recoding Isotropic?

Nope.