Dominion Strategy Forum
Archive => Archive => LCG General Discussion => Topic started by: Davio on April 14, 2014, 02:54:05 am
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As I understand we have dedicated sites for Dominion, Twilight Struggle and a board for Power Grid.
I'm looking for a site dedicated to LCGs and struggling to find a good one. CarboardDb has some forums, there are some personal blogs, but I can't find anything community driven like DS.com or TSS.com, so maybe we can start with a forum board?
I'm especially interested in sharing The Lord of the Rings: The Card Game strategies and experiences, but I'm fine with hosting any and all of the others there as well (Star Wars, Game of Thrones, Android: Netrunner, Ctulhu, some others I forgot).
Are any of you interested in building up a site and/or forum board for these kinds of games? I think the leap from Dominion to LCG's is not a big one. The problem of "you have more powerful cards than I do" is a bit less of an issue with LCGs (though it exists of course) and that's why I can still enjoy them.
I can mostly speak for LOTR and with that one, after a lot of expansions, it seems that most of the cards in players' decks still originate from the Core set and that is a big plus for me. I like how expansions are mostly bought for the new scenarios and less so for the new powerful cards in them. I don't know if this is the same with other LCGs. I also like LOTR the best because it is Coop and so the whole "power creep" issue doesn't exist.
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Lot of new cards being used in A:NR at least. But there's also a lot from Core being used as well.
I don't have super much experience of A:NR but I'd like to think I could be of some help.
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Well, the thing about community sites is this: Even if you're wrong, it's sure to be pointed out by someone else who thinks he knows better. So overall, posting anything, even wrong, is better than posting nothing.
I think it would just be fun to get something started and see where it can grow from there.
It's not like I'm a super active and knowledgeable (not at all) LCG player, but if we can get something off the ground, maybe the ones who are will move here and help us. :)
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Netrunner has stimhack.com and a lot of strategy discussion happens at Netrunner section on BoardGameGeek. There's also a Netrunner subreddit, but I don't read this so I don't know how good it is.
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Well, the thing about community sites is this: Even if you're wrong, it's sure to be pointed out by someone else who thinks he knows better. So overall, posting anything, even wrong, is better than posting nothing.
This is very true.
Netrunner has stimhack.com and a lot of strategy discussion happens at Netrunner section on BoardGameGeek. There's also a Netrunner subreddit, but I don't read this so I don't know how good it is.
I've read some stuff on BGG, but there are not so many opinions as "facts", which annoys me. I have no idea of the stimhack or reddit community.
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Well, the thing about community sites is this: Even if you're wrong, it's sure to be pointed out by someone else who thinks he knows better. So overall, posting anything, even wrong, is better than posting nothing.
This is very true.
You're wrong!
Wait.... That means you are right...., damn.....
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Well, the thing about community sites is this: Even if you're wrong, it's sure to be pointed out by someone else who thinks he knows better. So overall, posting anything, even wrong, is better than posting nothing.
This is very true.
You're wrong!
Wait.... That means you are right...., damn.....
And logic disappeared in a puff of Ozle.
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What really got DS going was that I could sit in Isotropic and advertise freely. To my understanding, the same is not really true of say, Catan or other games, which makes the process of taking off a bit more difficult.
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I'd like this. A board would probably be better than a whole new site, though.
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I only discovered this site through looking for something beyond the very basic BGG forums. And I found Isotropic through this site. I was playing on Brettspielwelt with the card images back then!
So I wanted to make a forum for those people looking beyond the more generic BGG forums.
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If anybody can create an LCG Subforum (and make me a mod for it), that would be great.
Ideally, I would like to have a setup like this:
Other Board Games
- LCG Forums
-- General
-- The Lord of the Rings: The Card Game
--- Articles
--- General
-- Android: Netrunner
--- Articles
--- General
And we can add boards like Game Reports as they are needed.
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Who's able to create a board? Maybe none of the mods look at this thread.
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Theory can, and he's already looked in this thread.
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I think it makes sense to create an LCG subforum. I hesitate about splitting it further below that, because I worry it will hurt conversation to have it so fragmented.
What other games count as LCG? Sentinels? Hearthstone?
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From my understanding, Sentinels lacks the deck-building aspect of *CGs, and Hearthstone is a CCG because cards have rarities. But it's not a crime to include any card games you want in this subforum (just change the name -- to what I don't know)
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Other LCGs include Star Wars: The Card Game, A Game of Thrones, Call of Cthulu, and Warhammer: Invasion The Card Game (not sure how popular this one is). Also announced for the future is Warhammer: Conquest.
Some of these could represent a good place to start, although I don't know what the community for these games looks like. Other games, like Hearthstone, aren't exactly LCGs but might be good choices for the subforum just due to how many people we have represented here already.
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Ok, so seeing that you've made this subforum already, what should our strategy be for getting word of this out there? I'm not talking to anyone in particular here. The Netrunner community, at least, is extremely active primarily on the BGG forums, but that whole site's just really not ideal. There is a big head start there and people are used to it, but I really think this forum has potential to become the top place on the internet for quality _______ discussion. If we can't get at least some people to make the switch, though, that'll never happen.
So what should our strategy be? Theory could sit in the Iso lobby for free advertising, but we don't really have that (unless there's something similar for OCTGN? I have a mac so I can't play on there). Should we work on developing content first and then letting people know? Blitz the BGG forums telling people there is a better option? Something else?
Edit: also wondering why respect is disabled for this forum?
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I think we'd need something similar to what happened for Dominion - quality articles from a top player drawing people in, and a community building organically from there, for anything to actually work. Like, what other games are on this site? Innovation and Twilight Struggle. TS was theory's brainchild, and that has it's own separate forum which I haven't visited in forever now but I know it exists. Innovation was the result of it appearing on Isotropic and a bunch of us giving it a go/knowing it already and playing it, not really (m)any new people from that.
Trying to get people to come here when there's nothing here but a community for another game is a bad move. And most of those top players who can create content are already doing it, on their own blogs. What do we have to give them incentive to do it here instead?
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Trying to get people to come here when there's nothing here but a community for another game is a bad move. And most of those top players who can create content are already doing it, on their own blogs. What do we have to give them incentive to do it here instead?
We have a single location where ideas can be shared, critiqued, and molded. If it weren't for DS, I wouldn't be surprised if the WanderingWinders and others of the Dominion world had something like their own corner of the internet where they could share strategy thoughts. Anything is better than the BGG forums. But even better than that is one place where people can come and discuss their favorite game with others who are just as passionate. Even the biggest Netrunner/LCG blogs are going to be niche relative to the whole competitive community, and they're usually not super rife with discussion in my experience.
Right now the Netrunner community seems pretty fragmented across blogs, podcasts, and the BGG forums (where the aforementioned blogs and podcasts may receive brief mentions). I think that this forum has the potential to become a unifying factor for LCG fans, at least to the extent that f.DS has unified Dominion fans.
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To become a top place for competitive Netrunner discussion the bare minimum is to be better than stimhack.com, and this won't be that easy. That site's best feature is a huge database of tournament winning decks. They also have some strategy articles and a forum frequented by many knowledgeable players. Their downside, at least in my opinion, is forum engine, I can't figure out how to follow it effectively, they're using some strange forum layout.
The main question is: do we have people to get started with content that will bring new people here? I think I could contribute (I feel way better writing about Netrunner than about Dominion), recently I thought about starting a BGG blog on Netrunner, so I may post articles here instead. I think to start we'd need at least 4-5 competitive Netrunner players here willing to contribute.
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It's a community effort. So just writing some articles, even if you think you suck, is a good place to start.
I will mostly be focusing on starting up The Lord of the Rings, since I play that often enough and couldn't find any other place that was potentially as helpful.
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I've also been thinking about writing some articles for Netrunner on card evaluation and maybe some other stuff too. Right now I have lots of schoolwork, but I'll post them in a bit. If you link to the articles on Reddit, people will come.
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All of my gaming friends became obsessed with the Game of Thrones LCG. As a result, I can't really play games with my friends anymore, because they just want to play GoT. And I hate the GoT LCG. It features:
- errata flowing out of every orifice. That CONSTANTLY CHANGES because (see below)
- not so much "power creep" as "power explosion" that requires constant re-balancing (see above)
- an insane amount of politics (but I know this is working-as-designed)
- a strong "I spent more money on cards" component, despite being an LCG (this is due to certain Houses/deck styles containing "must-have" combos split across different packs)
- far-too complex cards (if you're seeing something for the first time, you'll be constantly leaning across to look at your opponent's cards, learning about 75% of what they do, then walking into horrible traps/mistakes because you forgot that other clause on the card. And there's so many cards this happens all the time. All. The. Time. Even if you've played a lot.)
I admit it is (under some definitions of the term) a well-made game. I might be bitter I have lost all my gaming friends to a LCG.
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Oh, and cards that amount to "punch your opponent in the face." By which I mean, at any point, your opponent might be sitting on a card that not simply cancels what you did, but kills tons of your characters because of what you did. It encourages either un-fun, hyper-conservative gameplay or reckless strategically-empty non-sense. I mean I'm all for disincentives and complex strategic decisions but this is NOT HOW TO IMPLEMENT THEM IN A GAME.
*deep breath*