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Title: An Attempt at Transmute
Post by: shark_bait on March 17, 2014, 04:21:02 pm
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Transmute, Candlestick Maker, Stonemason, Lookout, Oracle, Storeroom, Cache, Duke, Venture, Farmland
So I go for Duchy/Duke this game using a Stonemason overpay strategy to amass Transmute and other actions followed by Storeroom/Silver/Candlestick maker to facilitate buying Dukes since Transmute can't gain them.

I'm wondering where I went wrong here.  Should my first few Transmute plays have been on Copper to gain more Transmutes?  I know Shelters weaken Transmute a bit as you can only get a single Gold as opposed to 3 which hurts the ability to purchase Dukes mid/endgame.  In the end I lost, but it was a loss on turns and by no means a blowout.

There really aren't too many strategies that make Transmute a key card but this was a game where I thought it could be done.  Any thoughts as to the viability of this strategy in this game.  I certainly think it can beat BM a good portion of the time, the question is how much.  Alternatively, would a money based Duchy/Duke strategy been better using Storeroom/Cache/Silver?

Title: Re: An Attempt at Transmute
Post by: Smartie on March 17, 2014, 09:00:55 pm
Perhaps i may be wrong, but seems like the addition of lookout in your deck could potentially increase your chances in getting your transmute to be more useful? Didn't think you want other action cards than the transmute if you are going full fledge  ;)
Title: Re: An Attempt at Transmute
Post by: SCSN on March 18, 2014, 07:42:54 am
I've never tried it but Transmute sounds awfully slow for a Duke strategy. I think Oracle/Silver into two Caches and another Oracle is both faster and more reliable in getting Duchies, and, as a bonus, is also quite adept at getting Dukes.
Title: Re: An Attempt at Transmute
Post by: WanderingWinder on March 18, 2014, 08:07:36 am
Quote from: SheCantSayNo on March 18, 2014, 07:42:54 am
I've never tried it but Transmute sounds awfully slow for a Duke strategy. I think Oracle/Silver into two Caches and another Oracle is both faster and more reliable in getting Duchies, and, as a bonus, is also quite adept at getting Dukes.
I dunno if you wait for two caches, but something like this seems right.

Transmute ONLY gets you duchies, really, and while it does that okay... I have a really hard time thinking it'll be fast enough to win the duchy split, and even if you don't lose it, splitting 4-4 is awful for the transmute player because (s)he has a much more difficult time getting dukes OR provinces.