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Title: You'd think with 8 Fool's Golds in your deck they'd collide all the time
Post by: Trogdor the Burninator on March 16, 2014, 08:40:17 pm
http://www.gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?/20140316/log.508ae4c20cf264ac914cc446.1395015913624.txt

I had 8 Fool's Golds and he had none so I thought I had it made. Apparently not. Any ideas as to what I could've done wrong here?

(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/5/50/Death_Cart.jpg) (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Death Cart) (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/c/c1/Herald.jpg) (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Herald) (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/1/13/Graverobber.jpg) (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Graverobber) (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/8/89/Mountebank.jpg) (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Mountebank) (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/e/ea/Farmland.jpg) (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Farmland)
(http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/e/ed/Fool's_Gold.jpg) (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Fool's Gold) (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/7/79/Scrying_Pool.jpg) (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Scrying Pool) (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/9/95/Great_Hall.jpg) (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Great Hall) (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/f/f1/Market_Square.jpg) (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Market Square) (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/7/7d/Cutpurse.jpg) (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Cutpurse)
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Fool's Gold, Scrying Pool, Great Hall, Market Square, Cutpurse, Death Cart, Herald, Graverobber, Mountebank, Farmland
Title: Re: You'd think with 8 Fool's Golds in your deck they'd collide all the time
Post by: SirPeebles on March 16, 2014, 08:45:15 pm
You can't trash down, there is no real way of drawing Fool's Gold into your hand, and your opponent can junk your deck with Mountebank.  This doesn't look like a particularly promising Fool's Gold board to me.
Title: Re: You'd think with 8 Fool's Golds in your deck they'd collide all the time
Post by: ashersky on March 16, 2014, 09:00:30 pm
I feel like I'd go Potion/MS here, even if it's wrong.
Title: Re: You'd think with 8 Fool's Golds in your deck they'd collide all the time
Post by: TrojH on March 16, 2014, 09:29:12 pm
There are no cards on the board that can trash Coppers or Curses. So, Mountebank looks like the key card here. With all the junk flying around, Fool's Golds look pretty bad; they won't collide very often. I also don't see much hope in a Scrying Pool/Herald engine (but I'm sure SheCantSayNo would disagree with me ;) ).

I'd open Silver/Cutpurse (or Mountebank/nothing on 5-2). I'd get a couple of Mountebanks ASAP, and then I'd play BM the rest of the way. Am I being naive here?
Title: Re: You'd think with 8 Fool's Golds in your deck they'd collide all the time
Post by: ashersky on March 16, 2014, 09:47:42 pm
Quote from: TrojH on March 16, 2014, 09:29:12 pm
There are no cards on the board that can trash Coppers or Curses. So, Mountebank looks like the key card here. With all the junk flying around, Fool's Golds look pretty bad; they won't collide very often. I also don't see much hope in a Scrying Pool/Herald engine (but I'm sure SheCantSayNo would disagree with me ;) ).

I'd open Silver/Cutpurse (or Mountebank/nothing on 5-2). I'd get a couple of Mountebanks ASAP, and then I'd play BM the rest of the way. Am I being naive here?

Probably not, but I feel like someone awesomer than me can come up with some sort of SP-driven engine that draws everything, Graverobs stuff into other stuff, then draws it, then uses it, eventually just graverobbing the same Mountebank into 7 provinces on turn 11 while destroying all known universes.
Title: Re: You'd think with 8 Fool's Golds in your deck they'd collide all the time
Post by: SirPeebles on March 16, 2014, 10:01:35 pm
Quote from: ashersky on March 16, 2014, 09:47:42 pm
I feel like someone awesomer than me can come up with some sort of SP-driven engine that draws everything

Yeah.  Maybe there is some crazy engine here, but to me it looks like a Mountebank slog that is going to three pile without many Provinces being purchased.
Title: Re: You'd think with 8 Fool's Golds in your deck they'd collide all the time
Post by: DG on March 16, 2014, 10:09:28 pm
Farmland can be support for fool's gold but it is going to be far too weak against a mountebank. The junk will prevent all the clever tricks with market square too.
Title: Re: You'd think with 8 Fool's Golds in your deck they'd collide all the time
Post by: BadAssMutha on March 16, 2014, 10:18:36 pm
It's been said, but the extra junk and no way to get rid of it kills you. With 8 Fool's Gold in even a 20 card deck, you should only expect to get 2 FG in a hand of 5 cards. With 8 FG in a 40+ card deck (like you wind up with), you should definitely not expect them to collide "all the time".
Title: Re: You'd think with 8 Fool's Golds in your deck they'd collide all the time
Post by: Davio on March 17, 2014, 02:09:56 am
Quote from: SirPeebles on March 16, 2014, 10:01:35 pm
Quote from: ashersky on March 16, 2014, 09:47:42 pm
I feel like someone awesomer than me can come up with some sort of SP-driven engine that draws everything

Yeah.  Maybe there is some crazy engine here, but to me it looks like a Mountebank slog that is going to three pile without many Provinces being purchased.
There's no crazy engine here, but because it's a slog, you may have time to try and build one with Scrying Pool.
That's what I'd do probably, get to Mountebank and then start building against the junk. Death Cart could be crucial to give you the money you need for some Provinces.

This could 3-pile with Curses gone, so I'd be looking to grab some Great Halls just to grab a lead looking at a 3rd pile (Duchy or Herald or something).