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Dominion => Dominion General Discussion => Topic started by: WNxTyr4el on January 09, 2014, 08:55:22 pm
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Hey everyone! I've recently started playing on Goko and REALLY love the game. I need all the tips I can get though. So can anyone give me some new player tips in terms of strategy? I only have the base set!
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Have you checked the front page of dominionstrategy.com and the wiki?
Since you are new to the game, I recommend playing with all the expansions and getting a feel for all the shiny new cards before really delving in to strategy so much. I would hate to take away the feeling of discovery from a new player. Ask questions here in the Game Reports forum and such if you have them.
If you have the time/interest, WanderingWinder's youtube videos are quite good for helping understand how a really good player approaches the game.
Here are some general tips I'll give you:
- Try to think of cards in terms of what they do, not what they cost. Sometimes Silver is more valuable than a $5 action to you. Not usually, but still.
- Don't forget you can always buy money and you don't need a copy of every card in the available Kingdom.
- On the other hand, don't spend all of your buys on Gold--you have to start getting points eventually.
- Trashing your starting Copper and Estates is the key to building really powerful decks (engines).
- If you're playing somebody who's highly ranked (5500+) don't be too shy about asking for advice as long as they speak your language. Most of us are happy to discuss strategy, but don't take up too much time on it. I for one would prefer to help someone improve at the game rather than just stomp them. If someone doesn't respond, they may be playing on a tablet and can't. If you have really general questions, post the game log on the forums and ask here.
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Since you are new to the game, I recommend playing with all the expansions and getting a feel for all the shiny new cards before really delving in to strategy so much.
I know when I was new to the game I wasn't even considering buying expansions - it seemed like the base set would be plenty to keep it fun forever. And it was fun, for a while. If I had bought expansions right away I don't think I would have enjoyed dominion any more just then. I think sticking with the base set for now is a good idea. Getting a grasp on all the basic strategies and facets of the game lets you appreciate how cool the expansion cards are a lot more.
I agree though, there's lots of great info for new players on the main page and wiki already, and all of jsh's general tips are good.
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Since you are new to the game, I recommend playing with all the expansions and getting a feel for all the shiny new cards before really delving in to strategy so much.
I know when I was new to the game I wasn't even considering buying expansions - it seemed like the base set would be plenty to keep it fun forever. And it was fun, for a while. If I had bought expansions right away I don't think I would have enjoyed dominion any more just then. I think sticking with the base set for now is a good idea. Getting a grasp on all the basic strategies and facets of the game lets you appreciate how cool the expansion cards are a lot more.
I agree though, there's lots of great info for new players on the main page and wiki already, and all of jsh's general tips are good.
I am different in that I started playing with everything at once and was immediately aware of the extent of Dominion's variety. As a guy who enjoys variety in games, it was a huge factor in getting in to the game. So I guess the moral for the new player is: if you want to take it slow, stick to base and slowly add expansions; if you want crazy and random and confusion, just go all out from the start.
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Have you checked the front page of dominionstrategy.com and the wiki?
Since you are new to the game, I recommend playing with all the expansions and getting a feel for all the shiny new cards before really delving in to strategy so much. I would hate to take away the feeling of discovery from a new player. Ask questions here in the Game Reports forum and such if you have them.
If you have the time/interest, WanderingWinder's youtube videos are quite good for helping understand how a really good player approaches the game.
Here are some general tips I'll give you:
- Try to think of cards in terms of what they do, not what they cost. Sometimes Silver is more valuable than a $5 action to you. Not usually, but still.
- Don't forget you can always buy money and you don't need a copy of every card in the available Kingdom.
- On the other hand, don't spend all of your buys on Gold--you have to start getting points eventually.
- Trashing your starting Copper and Estates is the key to building really powerful decks (engines).
- If you're playing somebody who's highly ranked (5500+) don't be too shy about asking for advice as long as they speak your language. Most of us are happy to discuss strategy, but don't take up too much time on it. I for one would prefer to help someone improve at the game rather than just stomp them. If someone doesn't respond, they may be playing on a tablet and can't. If you have really general questions, post the game log on the forums and ask here.
I have looked at the dominionstrategy front page and wiki and gotten a good idea about the strategies. My problem is...I keep losing several times during the campaign missions. It's really quite sad. I don't know when to pick certain cards, when to pick gold, and what cards to pick (even when going with a certain strategy). That's really what I need help with.
I'll be sticking to the base game too btw.
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Generally: the campaign mode is not going to make you improve at Dominion. It's a variant, and if anything it will make you understand the game less. Also, bear in mind Goko said over a year ago they were going to edit the campaign and make it more balanced/interesting but they still have not. That said, if you want to go through it and get the shields for promos and such, the best strategy is almost always to zap copper into silver and go for a Big Money strategy: http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Big_money
Silver is more important than extra points from zaps. You should probably reduce any provinces the AI has down to at least Duchies, though. To get more coins for zaps, you'll have to play multiplayer or "Play Bots."
PS: If you want to get all 5 promos, you should only buy Envoy, Governor and Walled Village with shields. It's possible to purchase the other two with Gokoins. No idea why they still haven't made it work both ways yet.
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Welcome to the forums!
Note that in the campaign your opponents might start with better decks than you. If you have enough zaps, I'd advise to zap both decks to the standard 7 Copper + 3 Estates and then play a fair game. In that way you'll learn the most.
Two suggestions if you want to improve faster.
* Read the articles about the 5 different types of decks (http://dominionstrategy.com/2013/01/21/the-five-fundamental-deck-types-introduction/). Those were quite the eye-opener for me
* Go to the Help! Forum (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?board=18.0) and post one of your games where you lost but where you couldn't find big mistakes in your gameplay. Probably veteran players will find more mistakes in your gameplay than you can ever dream of, which is a very good way to learn.
EDIT: Out of curiosity; did you discover Goko / Dominion via TotalBiscuit's video's?
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Welcome to the forums!
Note that in the campaign your opponents might start with better decks than you. If you have enough zaps, I'd advise to zap both decks to the standard 7 Copper + 3 Estates and then play a fair game. In that way you'll learn the most.
Two suggestions if you want to improve faster.
* Read the articles about the 5 different types of decks (http://dominionstrategy.com/2013/01/21/the-five-fundamental-deck-types-introduction/). Those were quite the eye-opener for me
* Go to the Help! Forum (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?board=18.0) and post one of your games where you lost but where you couldn't find big mistakes in your gameplay. Probably veteran players will find more mistakes in your gameplay than you can ever dream of, which is a very good way to learn.
EDIT: Out of curiosity; did you discover Goko / Dominion via TotalBiscuit's video's?
Thank you, I'll have to do that! And yes, I did lol. Why do you ask?
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Welcome to the forums!
Note that in the campaign your opponents might start with better decks than you. If you have enough zaps, I'd advise to zap both decks to the standard 7 Copper + 3 Estates and then play a fair game. In that way you'll learn the most.
Two suggestions if you want to improve faster.
* Read the articles about the 5 different types of decks (http://dominionstrategy.com/2013/01/21/the-five-fundamental-deck-types-introduction/). Those were quite the eye-opener for me
* Go to the Help! Forum (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?board=18.0) and post one of your games where you lost but where you couldn't find big mistakes in your gameplay. Probably veteran players will find more mistakes in your gameplay than you can ever dream of, which is a very good way to learn.
EDIT: Out of curiosity; did you discover Goko / Dominion via TotalBiscuit's video's?
Thank you, I'll have to do that! And yes, I did lol. Why do you ask?
Because of this thread (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10149.0) probably
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Welcome to the forums!
Note that in the campaign your opponents might start with better decks than you. If you have enough zaps, I'd advise to zap both decks to the standard 7 Copper + 3 Estates and then play a fair game. In that way you'll learn the most.
Two suggestions if you want to improve faster.
* Read the articles about the 5 different types of decks (http://dominionstrategy.com/2013/01/21/the-five-fundamental-deck-types-introduction/). Those were quite the eye-opener for me
* Go to the Help! Forum (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?board=18.0) and post one of your games where you lost but where you couldn't find big mistakes in your gameplay. Probably veteran players will find more mistakes in your gameplay than you can ever dream of, which is a very good way to learn.
EDIT: Out of curiosity; did you discover Goko / Dominion via TotalBiscuit's video's?
Thank you, I'll have to do that! And yes, I did lol. Why do you ask?
Because of this thread (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10149.0) probably
Oh god, that thread. Don't worry WNxTyr4el, not every thread here is like that.
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I think sticking with the base set for now is a good idea. Getting a grasp on all the basic strategies and facets of the game lets you appreciate how cool the expansion cards are a lot more.
I'm pretty sure he can still buy Intrigue though. It has several thematic cards and terminal actions with character, that will make him know when to buy terminals and which terminal actions are strong.
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I think sticking with the base set for now is a good idea. Getting a grasp on all the basic strategies and facets of the game lets you appreciate how cool the expansion cards are a lot more.
I'm pretty sure he can still buy Intrigue though. It has several thematic cards and terminal actions with character, that will make him know when to buy terminals and which terminal actions are strong.
I've been thinking of buying Intrigue or Prosperity to start. I'll probably go with Intrigue. I've actually read all those articles and understand how the strategies work (i.e. big money goes for as much money as possible to rush provinces and engine uses other cards to really fuel another, etc.). My main problem though is knowing how many of each card to buy, when to buy that card, and when to not. Also when to buy situational cards or money even. Do I buy a copper each turn if I can or do I end my turn even if I have a buy left (with not enough money to buy anything else). These are the types of questions and problems I've been facing. If I understand these, I may be able to understand how to play better.
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generally Copper is a bad card to have and buy. As a beginners rule should be" never Buy a copper unless you have a good reason for it" (e.g gardens, counting house, duke,seahag or Ill-Gotten-gains games where a copper is better than the curses and green cards you have.)
also you should not buy villages if you dont have any action cards to play with. so you start with the terminals to build an engine and add villages when you have 2 or 3 terminals(smithy/witch/militia)
of course every of those beginners rules can be edge cased and im not asking for you to do that
also as for what expansion to get as a beginner i like seaside a lot. ;) but thats on yourself to decide ;)
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generally Copper is a bad card to have and buy. As a beginners rule should be" never Buy a copper unless you have a good reason for it" (e.g gardens, counting house, duke,seahag or Ill-Gotten-gains games where a copper is better than the curses and green cards you have.)
also you should not buy villages if you dont have any action cards to play with. so you start with the terminals to build an engine and add villages when you have 2 or 3 terminals(smithy/witch/militia)
of course every of those beginners rules can be edge cased and im not asking for you to do that
Sorry, but you used a few terms I'm not familiar with: "terminals" and "edge cased." I have no clue what those mean :P. But thanks for the tip!
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terminal action card are action cards that dont give you at least +1action
edge cases are exceptions to the rules. i guess if you continue reading the forum you will get familiar with them
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terminal action card are action cards that dont give you at least +1action
edge cases are exceptions to the rules. i guess if you continue reading the forum you will get familiar with them
Ahh, okay got it. Thanks. Now I can understand the articles and people here a little better.
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When I started playing on Goko my experience was a few IRL games using Base + Intrigue. I played Base only for 2-3 days, then bought Intrigue+Prosperity+Seaside (they were selling it in a one cheap pack back then) and stayed with this for a while. After I got used to those I started buying everything as soon as Goko coded it.
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When I started playing on Goko my experience was a few IRL games using Base + Intrigue. I played Base only for 2-3 days, then bought Intrigue+Prosperity+Seaside (they were selling it in a one cheap pack back then) and stayed with this for a while. After I got used to those I started buying everything as soon as Goko coded it.
That's another option I've been considering. I've been thinking of buying the Super Pack 1 for $20. In comparison to the paper game that's really cheap lol.
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Start with the forum FAQ:
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=1994.0
The "getting better at dominion" link takes you to the strategy page of the wiki, too, which orders some of the articles from beginner to advanced.
Welcome!
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also for you to understand articles better:
Cantrips: Cards that have at least +1card and +1action on them so you can play them everytime without loosing anything(handsize/actions)
Villages: often cards that give you +2 actions or more. most of them even draw you a card or do something els for you.
terminal silver: a actioncard that gives you + 2$ but is terminal so it needs an action to be played where as silver does not.
terminal draw: best example : Smithy
Draw to X: cards that fill up your handsize to a exact amount of cards (like Library 7 cards)
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Start with the forum FAQ:
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=1994.0
The "getting better at dominion" link takes you to the strategy page of the wiki, too, which orders some of the articles from beginner to advanced.
Welcome!
Very helpful, I'll check that out throughout the day today! Thanks!
also for you to understand articles better:
Cantrips: Cards that have at least +1card and +1action on them so you can play them everytime without loosing anything(handsize/actions)
Villages: often cards that give you +2 actions or more. most of them even draw you a card or do something els for you.
terminal silver: a actioncard that gives you + 2$ but is terminal so it needs an action to be played where as silver does not.
terminal draw: best example : Smithy
Draw to X: cards that fill up your handsize to a exact amount of cards (like Library 7 cards)
Also very helpful terms, thank you again! Any other general tips any veterans can give? Like anything on what I had asked before about the total number of one card you should have in your deck at any time? I'm sure there's some math involved, but without slowing the game down to do math is there a quick and dirty rule for that?
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a quick rule in dominion : It depends on the board (Kingdomcards)
so the total number of a card you want in your deck depends on the board and on the card. there are some cards you want as many as possible like Laboratorium.
but if you have 8$ you might not want to buy a Labo but a Provinc instead.
Then there are cards you usually want just once like chapel
for an engine you should have at least as many villages as you want to play terminal actions.
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a quick rule in dominion : It depends on the board (Kingdomcards)
so the total number of a card you want in your deck depends on the board and on the card. there are some cards you want as many as possible like Laboratorium.
but if you have 8$ you might not want to buy a Labo but a Provinc instead.
Then there are cards you usually want just once like chapel
for an engine you should have at least as many villages as you want to play terminal actions.
I got it. Now what about money cards like Silver and Golds? Is there an ideal number or is it just as many as possible when nothing else is a better buy?
I also keep violating the PPR in my campaign because I can't keep track of how many stupid provinces the AI has taken lol.
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also as for what expansion to get as a beginner i like seaside a lot. ;) but thats on yourself to decide ;)
In my opinion, Seaside is not very good for beginners. It has some concepts that are rather difficult to understand when you don't have general experience of the game.
(Remembering myself, that didn't quite like Tactician and Haven when I first saw them, kinda thought that duration cards were not good for engine -what a hilarious mistake there! :P- and that Treasure Map and Embargo are for extremely rare cases. Also Native Village is generally quite hard to handle.)
I would recommend buying sets in the following order, starting from the Set that includes cards that are easier to understand and more fun to play with, and moving to Sets that include cards that are not so easy to understand and handle and can create some more complex strategies:
Dominion (Base), Intrigue, Prosperity, Hinterlands, Alchemy, Seaside, Cornucopia, Dark Ages, Guilds.
(Alchemy could possibly be any slot between Intrigue and Seaside on the list above. I remember that i liked very much, after trying out Base and Intrigue. I really liked the Potion theme. But, some of the cards are not so easy to play with, so i put it after Hinterlands on this list. But, this is generally the right order in terms of going from simplicity to complexity.)
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generally yes silver and golds are pretty good cards ;) if you want provinces for colonies(prosperity expansion) silver isnt that hot anymore except for the start.
when there is nothing better to get getting a silver or a gold is almost allways good. sometimes even getting a silver for 5$ can be right if there are no 5$ you need.
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also as for what expansion to get as a beginner i like seaside a lot. ;) but thats on yourself to decide ;)
In my opinion, Seaside is not very good for beginners. It has some concepts that are rather difficult to understand when you don't have general experience of the game.
(Remembering myself, that didn't quite like Tactician and Haven when I first saw them, kinda thought that duration cards were not good for engine -what a hilarious mistake there! :P- and that Treasure Map and Embargo are for extremely rare cases. Also Native Village is generally quite hard to handle.)
I would recommend buying sets in the following order, starting from the Set that includes cards that are easier to understand and more fun to play with, and moving to Sets that include cards that are not so easy to understand and handle and can create some more complex strategies:
Dominion (Base), Intrigue, Prosperity, Hinterlands, Alchemy, Seaside, Cornucopia, Dark Ages, Guilds.
Awesome, that was pretty much the order I was going to go in! Thanks!
I actually thought of another question. Since your 10 cards that you build for your kingdom are being used by both you and any other player(s), if you build your kingdom cards according to a certain strategy, doesn't the other player have to use that same strategy? I feel that kind of takes away from the...strategy of it lol. I hope that makes sense.
And for the expansions that add extra VP cards (like colony) and Platinum, how often are those played in games? Or do most people stick to the base set VP and Money cards and add in expansion cards to the kingdom cards?
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I actually thought of another question. Since your 10 cards that you build for your kingdom are being used by both you and any other player(s), if you build your kingdom cards according to a certain strategy, doesn't the other player have to use that same strategy? I feel that kind of takes away from the...strategy of it lol. I hope that makes sense.
There are some strategies that are simply super dominant and both players will go for that strategy. When this occurs it is called a mirror. For example, one of the Dark Ages cards, Rebuild, often becomes a game where both players play the same strategy, and there is even an article written on the Rebuild Mirror (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=8398.msg253810#msg253810). However, in a large number of games the strategic value of one strategy over another is minimal. Or one strategy might be a "long game" strategy that would win, but it loses to (or defeats) a player using a rush strategy. The best thing to do is to analyze the board at the beginning and look for various things that will indicate a certain strategy. Is there good trashing? Are there a lot of terminals or cantrips (is an engine viable?)? Once you think about these things you develop your strategy. But of course, this takes playing a lot of games to get a feel for it and even after playing thousands of games myself I am still very much prone to not evaluating the board correctly and choosing a strategy that results in a loss. AdamH does a good job in his youtube videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/AdamHorton01) analyzing the kingdom, you might want to check those out.
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And for the expansions that add extra VP cards (like colony) and Platinum, how often are those played in games? Or do most people stick to the base set VP and Money cards and add in expansion cards to the kingdom cards?
When you have randomized your 10 kingdom cards, you take one of them at random and if it's from the Prosperity expansion, you use Colonies and Platinums.
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And for the expansions that add extra VP cards (like colony) and Platinum, how often are those played in games? Or do most people stick to the base set VP and Money cards and add in expansion cards to the kingdom cards?
When you have randomized your 10 kingdom cards, you take one of them at random and if it's from the Prosperity expansion, you use Colonies and Platinums.
And if they aren't random? :D
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And for the expansions that add extra VP cards (like colony) and Platinum, how often are those played in games? Or do most people stick to the base set VP and Money cards and add in expansion cards to the kingdom cards?
When you have randomized your 10 kingdom cards, you take one of them at random and if it's from the Prosperity expansion, you use Colonies and Platinums.
And if they aren't random? :D
Then you can decide whether or not you want to use Colonies and Platinums. I recommend playing with randomized kingdoms though, that way it's much more interesting.
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And for the expansions that add extra VP cards (like colony) and Platinum, how often are those played in games? Or do most people stick to the base set VP and Money cards and add in expansion cards to the kingdom cards?
When you have randomized your 10 kingdom cards, you take one of them at random and if it's from the Prosperity expansion, you use Colonies and Platinums.
And if they aren't random? :D
Then you can decide whether or not you want to use Colonies and Platinums. I recommend playing with randomized kingdoms though, that way it's much more interesting.
That's true lol. Though I like the kingdom building ability on Goko.
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I recommend playing with randomized kingdoms though, that way it's much more interesting.
False. It is easier online, though, and uniform random across everything you own is better than trying to pick your own interesting kingdoms when you are just starting out, because when you are just starting out, you don't really know what to look for. Random forces you to find cool interactions in the cards rather than going for ones you know are there; however, you are likely to get some pretty boring games, too.
However, if you can, play through the recommended sets in the instructions several times. Also check out additional recommended sets on the wiki if you want to maximize interestingness of your first 50-100 games. Especially if you are learning with friends and family in person.
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Personally, I have a HTML page that randomizes games by picking two expansions and then picking half the cards from each. So it creates sets like the recommended sets of 10, but random. It's a good way to learn the cards from a new set while still playing random games. It would also allow you to buy all the cards at once, saving money, but still ease yourself into random games without including everything at once.
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I recommend playing with randomized kingdoms though, that way it's much more interesting.
False. It is easier online, though, and uniform random across everything you own is better than trying to pick your own interesting kingdoms when you are just starting out, because when you are just starting out, you don't really know what to look for. Random forces you to find cool interactions in the cards rather than going for ones you know are there; however, you are likely to get some pretty boring games, too.
However, if you can, play through the recommended sets in the instructions several times. Also check out additional recommended sets on the wiki if you want to maximize interestingness of your first 50-100 games. Especially if you are learning with friends and family in person.
I was definitely going to play with the recommended sets in the instructions once I played through the base campaign. I'd probably just play against bots. Where are the recommended sets on the wiki though? I couldn't find them.
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I recommend playing with randomized kingdoms though, that way it's much more interesting.
False. It is easier online, though, and uniform random across everything you own is better than trying to pick your own interesting kingdoms when you are just starting out, because when you are just starting out, you don't really know what to look for. Random forces you to find cool interactions in the cards rather than going for ones you know are there; however, you are likely to get some pretty boring games, too.
However, if you can, play through the recommended sets in the instructions several times. Also check out additional recommended sets on the wiki if you want to maximize interestingness of your first 50-100 games. Especially if you are learning with friends and family in person.
I was definitely going to play with the recommended sets in the instructions once I played through the base campaign. I'd probably just play against bots. Where are the recommended sets on the wiki though? I couldn't find them.
The ones in the wiki are also the ones in the instructions, I believe. They're just consolidated there.
http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Recommended_Kingdoms
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I recommend playing with randomized kingdoms though, that way it's much more interesting.
False. It is easier online, though, and uniform random across everything you own is better than trying to pick your own interesting kingdoms when you are just starting out, because when you are just starting out, you don't really know what to look for. Random forces you to find cool interactions in the cards rather than going for ones you know are there; however, you are likely to get some pretty boring games, too.
However, if you can, play through the recommended sets in the instructions several times. Also check out additional recommended sets on the wiki if you want to maximize interestingness of your first 50-100 games. Especially if you are learning with friends and family in person.
I was definitely going to play with the recommended sets in the instructions once I played through the base campaign. I'd probably just play against bots. Where are the recommended sets on the wiki though? I couldn't find them.
The ones in the wiki are also the ones in the instructions, I believe. They're just consolidated there.
http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Recommended_Kingdoms
The wiki also has Donald X designed ones for past competitions and the past kingdom design contest winners.
This site also does the randomization by expansion (http://dominionsetgenerator.com/) (just uncheck boxes; it breaks up expansions like Goko, too). If you want uniform random, select that option, too.
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I recommend playing with randomized kingdoms though, that way it's much more interesting.
False. It is easier online, though, and uniform random across everything you own is better than trying to pick your own interesting kingdoms when you are just starting out, because when you are just starting out, you don't really know what to look for. Random forces you to find cool interactions in the cards rather than going for ones you know are there; however, you are likely to get some pretty boring games, too.
However, if you can, play through the recommended sets in the instructions several times. Also check out additional recommended sets on the wiki if you want to maximize interestingness of your first 50-100 games. Especially if you are learning with friends and family in person.
I was definitely going to play with the recommended sets in the instructions once I played through the base campaign. I'd probably just play against bots. Where are the recommended sets on the wiki though? I couldn't find them.
The ones in the wiki are also the ones in the instructions, I believe. They're just consolidated there.
http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Recommended_Kingdoms
The wiki also has Donald X designed ones for past competitions and the past kingdom design contest winners.
This site also does the randomization by expansion (http://dominionsetgenerator.com/) (just uncheck boxes; it breaks up expansions like Goko, too). If you want uniform random, select that option, too.
So do most people play with randomized kingdoms or do they make their own?
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This site also does the randomization by expansion (http://dominionsetgenerator.com/) (just uncheck boxes; it breaks up expansions like Goko, too). If you want uniform random, select that option, too.
Ugh, that's right. That site still exists. Full disclosure, that randomizer was created in an attempt to generate "interesting" Kingdoms. Of course the problem is that what's interesting to the guy who wrote it may or may not be interesting to you. Personally I'm not a fan of it.
Also, if you don't use the "Generate a Uniform Set!" button, some cards will show up more often than others, sometimes dramatically so.
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So do most people play with randomized kingdoms or do they make their own?
People nearly always play with randomized kingdoms.
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So do most people play with randomized kingdoms or do they make their own?
People nearly always play with randomized kingdoms.
Gatcha. That's how I'll get used to playing then. I keep losing on 15 of the base campaign. The AI plays witches and I'm trying to flat out ignore them and go for a Village/Smithy/Laboratory combo to get my provinces but he always gets lucky shuffles and draws and will draw like all his coins in one hand and then the next one and next one. Idk what I'm doing wrong.
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So do most people play with randomized kingdoms or do they make their own?
People nearly always play with randomized kingdoms.
Gatcha. That's how I'll get used to playing then. I keep losing on 15 of the base campaign. The AI plays witches and I'm trying to flat out ignore them and go for a Village/Smithy/Laboratory combo to get my provinces but he always gets lucky shuffles and draws and will draw like all his coins in one hand and then the next one and next one. Idk what I'm doing wrong.
In a 2-player game, especially with just the Base Set, you really can't ignore Witch almost ever. My advice is to buy your own Witch(es).
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Have you ever played Bridge or Spades or Hearts? It is kind of like that. Analogize the initial deal to the kingdom -- sometimes a random deal can be somewhat boring, and you can see the appeal of in certain situations creating "custom" deals that are fun/instructive. But the "pure" Dominion experience is completely random sets.
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So do most people play with randomized kingdoms or do they make their own?
People nearly always play with randomized kingdoms.
Gatcha. That's how I'll get used to playing then. I keep losing on 15 of the base campaign. The AI plays witches and I'm trying to flat out ignore them and go for a Village/Smithy/Laboratory combo to get my provinces but he always gets lucky shuffles and draws and will draw like all his coins in one hand and then the next one and next one. Idk what I'm doing wrong.
In a 2-player game, especially with just the Base Set, you really can't ignore Witch almost ever. My advice is to buy your own Witch(es).
The witches aren't the problem. This time around he only got 3 off. The problem is the BS hands he keeps getting. Three hands in a row were pure money. Then like 2 more after that were all +Action/+Card draws which gave him more money to get more provinces. Witches aren't the problem lol.
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So do most people play with randomized kingdoms or do they make their own?
People nearly always play with randomized kingdoms.
Gatcha. That's how I'll get used to playing then. I keep losing on 15 of the base campaign. The AI plays witches and I'm trying to flat out ignore them and go for a Village/Smithy/Laboratory combo to get my provinces but he always gets lucky shuffles and draws and will draw like all his coins in one hand and then the next one and next one. Idk what I'm doing wrong.
In a 2-player game, especially with just the Base Set, you really can't ignore Witch almost ever. My advice is to buy your own Witch(es).
The witches aren't the problem. This time around he only got 3 off. The problem is the BS hands he keeps getting. Three hands in a row were pure money. Then like 2 more after that were all +Action/+Card draws which gave him more money to get more provinces. Witches aren't the problem lol.
Witches are at least part of the problem. One of the reasons you're not getting hands full of money is the Curses in your deck.
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So do most people play with randomized kingdoms or do they make their own?
People nearly always play with randomized kingdoms.
Gatcha. That's how I'll get used to playing then. I keep losing on 15 of the base campaign. The AI plays witches and I'm trying to flat out ignore them and go for a Village/Smithy/Laboratory combo to get my provinces but he always gets lucky shuffles and draws and will draw like all his coins in one hand and then the next one and next one. Idk what I'm doing wrong.
In a 2-player game, especially with just the Base Set, you really can't ignore Witch almost ever. My advice is to buy your own Witch(es).
The witches aren't the problem. This time around he only got 3 off. The problem is the BS hands he keeps getting. Three hands in a row were pure money. Then like 2 more after that were all +Action/+Card draws which gave him more money to get more provinces. Witches aren't the problem lol.
Witches are at least part of the problem. One of the reasons you're not getting hands full of money is the Curses in your deck.
That's true...I'll try matching his Witches with Moats 1:1
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Let us know how that goes. As a hint, though, I think you will have more success fighting fire with fire, instead of fighting fire with a fire extinguisher that only works if you happen to be holding it while the fire is breaking out.
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Let us know how that goes. As a hint, though, I think you will have more success fighting fire with fire, instead of fighting fire with a fire extinguisher that only works if you happen to be holding it while the fire is breaking out.
...attempt #4 or 5 - lost. He keeps getting such BS hands. I'll try your idea though of getting Witches too.
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Note also that the Witch includes +2 cards, which means he's running with 6 card hands when he draws the Witches, which makes him more likely to have enough money to buy, first Gold, then Provinces. The extra draw also lets him shuffle faster, so he's seeing those Witches and money faster.
Edit: In other words, they're not BS hands, even though they feel like they are. I know exactly how it feels.
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Note also that the Witch includes +2 cards, which means he's running with 6 card hands when he draws the Witches, which makes him more likely to have enough money to buy, first Gold, then Provinces. The extra draw also lets him shuffle faster, so he's seeing those Witches and money faster.
Edit: In other words, they're not BS hands, even though they feel like they are. I know exactly how it feels.
Didn't think of it that way, thanks!
EDIT: It went...better...but still didn't win. And by BS hands I mean his entire hand is money and not VP.
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Are you implying that you have hands full of "VP"? Have you purchased any Estates/Duchies other than your starting three Estates?
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Are you implying that you have hands full of "VP"? Have you purchased any Estates/Duchies other than your starting three Estates?
Some Duchy's to catch up to his Province lead when he leads by more than 1 Province, yeah.
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To agree with and expand on what Witherweaver said, I believe Dominion is a game where you create your own luck. There is an element of luck in every game (opening 5/2 vs 4/3 and shuffle luck throughout) but in general most games can be crafted in such a way that the cards you buy reduce the "luck" associated with any given hand. Buying witches increases the "luck" that you will have good cards in your hand and decreases the "luck" that your opponent will have good cards in his hand. That is why trashing is such a big deal. If I trash down to only having 5 cards in my deck, I will get perfectly "lucky" to draw those 5 cards my next hand.
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To agree with and expand on what Witherweaver said, I believe Dominion is a game where you create your own luck. There is an element of luck in every game (opening 5/2 vs 4/3 and shuffle luck throughout) but in general most games can be crafted in such a way that the cards you buy reduce the "luck" associated with any given hand. Buying witches increases the "luck" that you will have good cards in your hand and decreases the "luck" that your opponent will have good cards in his hand. That is why trashing is such a big deal. If I trash down to only having 5 cards in my deck, I will get perfectly "lucky" to draw those 5 cards my next hand.
I agree trashing plays with the odds and probability quite a bit so it's really good. I just won the game finally lol. 38-34. I was ahead by one province so I would have lost had he gotten another.
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Are you implying that you have hands full of "VP"? Have you purchased any Estates/Duchies other than your starting three Estates?
Some Duchy's to catch up to his Province lead when he leads by more than 1 Province, yeah.
Every green card you buy decreases your average buying power (think of each card as bringing a certain buying power to your deck. green cards bring zero).
Try to only buy duchies in the 'end game' (when the provinces are running low or you are close to a three pile ending).
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Are you implying that you have hands full of "VP"? Have you purchased any Estates/Duchies other than your starting three Estates?
Some Duchy's to catch up to his Province lead when he leads by more than 1 Province, yeah.
Every green card you buy decreases your average buying power (think of each card as bringing a certain buying power to your deck. green cards bring zero).
Try to only buy duchies in the 'end game' (when the provinces are running low or you are close to a three pile ending).
That makes sense, but I shouldn't buy them to even close the gap between our VP scores? I feel that would make sense.
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Are you implying that you have hands full of "VP"? Have you purchased any Estates/Duchies other than your starting three Estates?
Some Duchy's to catch up to his Province lead when he leads by more than 1 Province, yeah.
Every green card you buy decreases your average buying power (think of each card as bringing a certain buying power to your deck. green cards bring zero).
Try to only buy duchies in the 'end game' (when the provinces are running low or you are close to a three pile ending).
That makes sense, but I shouldn't buy them to even close the gap between our VP scores? I feel that would make sense.
Not if it's going to destroy your deck's ability to function. As you play more games, you'll get a feel for when to buy Victory cards depending on your and your opponents' decks.
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Are you implying that you have hands full of "VP"? Have you purchased any Estates/Duchies other than your starting three Estates?
Some Duchy's to catch up to his Province lead when he leads by more than 1 Province, yeah.
So just something that comes with time, eh? Shucks, lol. I'll keep practicing then :D
Every green card you buy decreases your average buying power (think of each card as bringing a certain buying power to your deck. green cards bring zero).
Try to only buy duchies in the 'end game' (when the provinces are running low or you are close to a three pile ending).
That makes sense, but I shouldn't buy them to even close the gap between our VP scores? I feel that would make sense.
Not if it's going to destroy your deck's ability to function. As you play more games, you'll get a feel for when to buy Victory cards depending on your and your opponents' decks.
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Are you implying that you have hands full of "VP"? Have you purchased any Estates/Duchies other than your starting three Estates?
Some Duchy's to catch up to his Province lead when he leads by more than 1 Province, yeah.
Every green card you buy decreases your average buying power (think of each card as bringing a certain buying power to your deck. green cards bring zero).
Try to only buy duchies in the 'end game' (when the provinces are running low or you are close to a three pile ending).
That makes sense, but I shouldn't buy them to even close the gap between our VP scores? I feel that would make sense.
You need twice as many Duchies as he has Provinces to close the gap: twice as many purchases that could have been spent on something that improves your deck but were spent on dead cards instead. If you keep improving your deck, you can possibly catch up with Provinces later, but if you keep buying Duchies, you might end up never getting a single Province. If you're playing Big Money, typically you can start buying Duchies when half of the Provinces have been bought, but that might vary depending on your opponent's strategy.
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Some good tips here, and I'll add my two cents.
Balance your terminal actions (ones with no +actions) with your villages (cards with +2 actions, and possibly more). Oftentimes, I see new players buying a bunch of terminals that they wind up drawing together and can't play, or on the other end, buy a bunch of villages when they have no use for the extra actions. Villages and terminals should be around 1:1 in your deck, with a couple extra villages perhaps if they're terminals that draw cards (drawing dead is a waste of both a card in your hand, as well as that action play for the shuffle you're in).
Opportunity cost is a huge factor. Think about what you're NOT buying this turn, and why your purchase is a better option. Silver can be a good choice if you find yourself with too many terminals and no way to line up an engine.
Watch out for when you shuffle. Anything you've bought in the past few turns doesn't usually come into play until after your next shuffle, so sometimes it can be good to get to the bottom of the deck quicker. Conversely, if you have all your good cards in play, it may be better to hold off shuffling your deck of junk and ruing your bad "luck" for the next few turns.
You'll get a feel for when to buy VP cards as you learn the game. Usually, you want to wait until half the Provinces are gone before going for the Duchies, but this can depend on how resilient you think your deck is. If you know you have a good deck with a few Golds, and are at the top of your shuffle, you can pick up a few extra VP here and there without it affecting you too much. But sometimes, even if you're down by a Province, you need to fix the problem that made you down in the first place, rather than making your deck worse with small VP cards.
Finally, have an idea of what your opponent's deck is capable of. Is it better than mine, or comparable, and why? Were those back-to-back Province turns lucky draws, or can he sustain that pace? It can really help you to not panic when you see your opponent get a few good turns in a row, if you know that the rest of his deck is therefore full of crap. This is also important in terms of knowing how many buys your opponent can muster for a 3-pile ending, as well as knowing if you really do need to go after those Duchies.
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I'm compiling my tips for someone who is playing base-only and is on their first few games.
What do you guys think?
- if Chapel is on the board, buy it in one of your first few turns. Trash all coppers, estates, curses that you can.
- if Witch is on the board, buy it the first time you have $5+. Play it every chance you have until the curse pile is run out
- if Village is on the board, do not buy it your first two turns. wait until you have multiple terminal actions (terminal actions are actions that do not have +1 action) already in your deck
- do not buy copper (later you will learn to buy copper in a few instances, mostly if you just care about getting to $5 a turn instead of $8, or if you are aiming for Gardens)
- if you have $6 or $7, buy a Gold.
- if you have $8+, buy a Province (later you will learn that you might prefer to wait on Provinces until your deck is robust enough... but when you're first starting? keep it simple)
- when in doubt, buy money
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Balance your terminal actions (ones with no +actions) with your villages (cards with +2 actions, and possibly more). Oftentimes, I see new players buying a bunch of terminals that they wind up drawing together and can't play, or on the other end, buy a bunch of villages when they have no use for the extra actions. Villages and terminals should be around 1:1 in your deck, with a couple extra villages perhaps if they're terminals that draw cards (drawing dead is a waste of both a card in your hand, as well as that action play for the shuffle you're in).
I can't agree with this advice. Except in the vaguest sense of "balance your deck composition". It is almost always better to have a deck with too many terminals, than too few. So one should aim for a couple extra terminals, not a couple extra villages. In a treasure+terminals kind of deck, you should not be afraid of some terminal collision, you should be afraid of having a turn where you don't play your terminal.
I think the worst trap that new players tend to fall into is too many nonterminal actions. Which are generally much weaker than terminals, but feel safer and allow the "chaining" of actions that can feel quite nice, but is often just spinning wheels. But this mistake happens to all players at all levels, and most people could improve their overall game by buying more terminals.
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this advice would certainly improve the play of most beginners, but it might also make the game really boring in turning it into a pure algorithm.
I prefer to think of it in terms of maxims that improve your play, which offer the decision to the player:
* Don't buy too many terminals.
* Villages help with this, but often silver is better than more actions.
* Estates and copper are bad. Getting rid of them is good.
* The game can be roughly divided into a building phase and a greening phase. Greening too early makes it hard to buy provinces, whereas building late won't help your score.
* There are exceptions to each of these rules depending on what's on the board and what's happening in the game. Figuring out the exceptions is really fun.
edit: due to Mic Qsenoch
* playing lots of non-terminals is fun but doesn't always help you buy provinces.
* (slightly more advanced) Terminals are generally stronger than non-terminals and collisions aren't the end of the world.
Card specific notes:
* Each curse you give to other players is one less curse that will end up in your deck, which means that playing witch is a much better defense against witch than moat is.
* Militia and Witch are much stronger attacks than spy or Bureaucrat.
* Chapel is da bomz.
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These are amazing tips! I'll be sure to use them in my next games! Thanks so much!
More tips are appreciated!
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Becoming really good at Dominion is really easy; there's just 2 things you have to do:
1. Play, play play. The good players on this forum have played thousands of games. Play against those who are better than you; take note of the things they do.
2. Read every article on this forum.
Enjoy! ;D
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The good players on this forum have played thousands of games.
So have a lot of us bad players!
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earlier there was some confusion as to terminology. this glossary might help: http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Glossary
It's kind of dense to read by itself, but it does give a feel for how we dominion nerds think.
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Shameless Plug (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4cEdhY37Ww&list=PLHV1uVDYN5Y8E-wtJY3xef9xk4XVXKo_w&index=1)
I know the tutorial is sort of old and a little outdated (the fifth video still talks about isotropic because the two times I've attempted to make a video to update it, Goko wasn't working), but I've been getting some positive feedback recently about it so maybe this would be helpful.
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Shameless Plug (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4cEdhY37Ww&list=PLHV1uVDYN5Y8E-wtJY3xef9xk4XVXKo_w&index=1)
I know the tutorial is sort of old and a little outdated (the fifth video still talks about isotropic because the two times I've attempted to make a video to update it, Goko wasn't working), but I've been getting some positive feedback recently about it so maybe this would be helpful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weO-3cWqV0A
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Shameless Plug (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4cEdhY37Ww&list=PLHV1uVDYN5Y8E-wtJY3xef9xk4XVXKo_w&index=1)
I know the tutorial is sort of old and a little outdated (the fifth video still talks about isotropic because the two times I've attempted to make a video to update it, Goko wasn't working), but I've been getting some positive feedback recently about it so maybe this would be helpful.
Thanks, I'll be sure to give that a watch.
@Gendo: I watched that video and found it not very helpful. Simply buying only Villages is not going to help you win. Ben I believe is his name actually plays the better strategy as a "bad player"
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Shameless Plug (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4cEdhY37Ww&list=PLHV1uVDYN5Y8E-wtJY3xef9xk4XVXKo_w&index=1)
I know the tutorial is sort of old and a little outdated (the fifth video still talks about isotropic because the two times I've attempted to make a video to update it, Goko wasn't working), but I've been getting some positive feedback recently about it so maybe this would be helpful.
Thanks, I'll be sure to give that a watch.
@Gendo: I watched that video and found it not very helpful. Simply buying only Villages is not going to help you win. Ben I believe is his name actually plays the better strategy as a "bad player"
Hope I didn't cause any confusion; that video is meant to be a joke; though it does help showcase a common beginners mistake; buying too many villages and not enough money.
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Shameless Plug (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4cEdhY37Ww&list=PLHV1uVDYN5Y8E-wtJY3xef9xk4XVXKo_w&index=1)
I know the tutorial is sort of old and a little outdated (the fifth video still talks about isotropic because the two times I've attempted to make a video to update it, Goko wasn't working), but I've been getting some positive feedback recently about it so maybe this would be helpful.
Thanks, I'll be sure to give that a watch.
@Gendo: I watched that video and found it not very helpful. Simply buying only Villages is not going to help you win. Ben I believe is his name actually plays the better strategy as a "bad player"
Hope I didn't cause any confusion; that video is meant to be a joke; though it does help showcase a common beginners mistake; buying too many villages and not enough money.
Ha, no you didnt. I watched it last night and realized it was horrible. Yet it has so many up-votes...I'll never understand why lol. I was actually laughing while I watched.
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it has so many up-votes...I'll never understand why lol.
I was actually laughing while I watched.
Looks like you understood why.
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it has so many up-votes...I'll never understand why lol.
I was actually laughing while I watched.
Looks like you understood why.
I had played at least enough games and read enough to realize that it was a really foolish move on his part to only take Villages :P. I did beat the 4th or 5th boss on the base campaign and the one afterwards in one shot though this time. So that's improvement :D
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- Make sure you only pick up cards from your deck with your left hand.
- Make sure to announce the value of the treasures as you put them down (e.g....I will play Copper, Copper Copper)
- Moats are awful
- If playing online Multiplayer, make sure you check the underneath of the cards to see what colour you are supposed to be playing, a lot of people forget this. One time I thought I was blue and I played a massive Smithy chain and then watch my opponent pick up all the provinces.
- Feel free to challenge me on Goko anytime, my username is Eevee
- Wear Sunscreen
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- Make sure you only pick up cards from your deck with your left hand.
- Make sure to announce the value of the treasures as you put them down (e.g....I will play Copper, Copper Copper)
- Moats are awful
- If playing online Multiplayer, make sure you check the underneath of the cards to see what colour you are supposed to be playing, a lot of people forget this. One time I thought I was blue and I played a massive Smithy chain and then watch my opponent pick up all the provinces.
- Feel free to challenge me on Goko anytime, my username is Eevee
- Wear Sunscreen
Thanks, I'll have to play against you sometime! I don't understand that 4th tip though. I only played against a friend twice online but didn't see any such thing.
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- Make sure you only pick up cards from your deck with your left hand.
- Make sure to announce the value of the treasures as you put them down (e.g....I will play Copper, Copper Copper)
- Moats are awful
- If playing online Multiplayer, make sure you check the underneath of the cards to see what colour you are supposed to be playing, a lot of people forget this. One time I thought I was blue and I played a massive Smithy chain and then watch my opponent pick up all the provinces.
- Feel free to challenge me on Goko anytime, my username is Eevee
- Wear Sunscreen
Thanks, I'll have to play against you sometime! I don't understand that 4th tip though. I only played against a friend twice online but didn't see any such thing.
• Don't take most things Ozle says seriously.
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- Make sure you only pick up cards from your deck with your left hand.
- Make sure to announce the value of the treasures as you put them down (e.g....I will play Copper, Copper Copper)
- Moats are awful
- If playing online Multiplayer, make sure you check the underneath of the cards to see what colour you are supposed to be playing, a lot of people forget this. One time I thought I was blue and I played a massive Smithy chain and then watch my opponent pick up all the provinces.
- Feel free to challenge me on Goko anytime, my username is Eevee
- Wear Sunscreen
Thanks, I'll have to play against you sometime! I don't understand that 4th tip though. I only played against a friend twice online but didn't see any such thing.
• Don't take most things Ozle says seriously.
Is he like, the forum troll or something?
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- Make sure you only pick up cards from your deck with your left hand.
- Make sure to announce the value of the treasures as you put them down (e.g....I will play Copper, Copper Copper)
- Moats are awful
- If playing online Multiplayer, make sure you check the underneath of the cards to see what colour you are supposed to be playing, a lot of people forget this. One time I thought I was blue and I played a massive Smithy chain and then watch my opponent pick up all the provinces.
- Feel free to challenge me on Goko anytime, my username is Eevee
- Wear Sunscreen
Thanks, I'll have to play against you sometime! I don't understand that 4th tip though. I only played against a friend twice online but didn't see any such thing.
Happy with the sunscreen advice though?
If I could offer you only one tip for the future, sunscreen would be it.
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- Make sure you only pick up cards from your deck with your left hand.
- Make sure to announce the value of the treasures as you put them down (e.g....I will play Copper, Copper Copper)
- Moats are awful
- If playing online Multiplayer, make sure you check the underneath of the cards to see what colour you are supposed to be playing, a lot of people forget this. One time I thought I was blue and I played a massive Smithy chain and then watch my opponent pick up all the provinces.
- Feel free to challenge me on Goko anytime, my username is Eevee
- Wear Sunscreen
Thanks, I'll have to play against you sometime! I don't understand that 4th tip though. I only played against a friend twice online but didn't see any such thing.
• Don't take most things Ozle says seriously.
Is he like, the forum troll or something?
Troll?!
Such a harsh word!
I prefer racially different fairae creature with a personality disorder and penchant for grunting, including a statuesque style nose
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- Make sure you only pick up cards from your deck with your left hand.
- Make sure to announce the value of the treasures as you put them down (e.g....I will play Copper, Copper Copper)
- Moats are awful
- If playing online Multiplayer, make sure you check the underneath of the cards to see what colour you are supposed to be playing, a lot of people forget this. One time I thought I was blue and I played a massive Smithy chain and then watch my opponent pick up all the provinces.
- Feel free to challenge me on Goko anytime, my username is Eevee
- Wear Sunscreen
Thanks, I'll have to play against you sometime! I don't understand that 4th tip though. I only played against a friend twice online but didn't see any such thing.
• Don't take most things Ozle says seriously.
Is he like, the forum troll or something?
Troll?!
Such a harsh word!
I prefer racially different fairae creature with a personality disorder and penchant for grunting, including a statuesque style nose
Lol fair enough. Thank you for the tips, sir :D
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Balance your terminal actions (ones with no +actions) with your villages (cards with +2 actions, and possibly more). Oftentimes, I see new players buying a bunch of terminals that they wind up drawing together and can't play, or on the other end, buy a bunch of villages when they have no use for the extra actions. Villages and terminals should be around 1:1 in your deck, with a couple extra villages perhaps if they're terminals that draw cards (drawing dead is a waste of both a card in your hand, as well as that action play for the shuffle you're in).
I can't agree with this advice. Except in the vaguest sense of "balance your deck composition". It is almost always better to have a deck with too many terminals, than too few. So one should aim for a couple extra terminals, not a couple extra villages. In a treasure+terminals kind of deck, you should not be afraid of some terminal collision, you should be afraid of having a turn where you don't play your terminal.
I think the worst trap that new players tend to fall into is too many nonterminal actions. Which are generally much weaker than terminals, but feel safer and allow the "chaining" of actions that can feel quite nice, but is often just spinning wheels. But this mistake happens to all players at all levels, and most people could improve their overall game by buying more terminals.
Expanding on this a bit:
When villages are on the board, you need to ask "How important is it to play more than 1 terminal a turn?".
Sometimes your strategy will require that you play lots of terminals each turn, for example when you want to draw your entire deck with Smithies. Given that these sorts of decks take time to build, you want to be sure that you have a large enough source of +actions to draw the cards you need to be able to have awesome turns (perhaps one where you buy multiple Provinces to catch up against a player buying mostly money and VP cards).
But sometimes, you might play game where the maybe the only terminals are Chancellor, Militia, and Moneylender. None of those cards really need to be played more than once a turn. It is good, however, to be able to play one of those cards every turn (specifically, the Militia). If you can't draw most of your cards with Laboratory or something, then you should consider "Over terminal"ing a bit to ensure that a powerful card is played almost every turn (do expect collisions though). If you need to space those cards out a bit, then just buy some Silver or Gold.
If you can draw pretty much your whole deck with cards that give +action +cards like Laboratory, then you don't need more than a couple of copies of the terminal you want to play every turn. The extra copy is for when your deck starts to get clogged with VP cards.
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- Make sure you only pick up cards from your deck with your left hand.
- Make sure to announce the value of the treasures as you put them down (e.g....I will play Copper, Copper Copper)
- Moats are awful
- If playing online Multiplayer, make sure you check the underneath of the cards to see what colour you are supposed to be playing, a lot of people forget this. One time I thought I was blue and I played a massive Smithy chain and then watch my opponent pick up all the provinces.
- Feel free to challenge me on Goko anytime, my username is Eevee
- Wear Sunscreen
Thanks, I'll have to play against you sometime! I don't understand that 4th tip though. I only played against a friend twice online but didn't see any such thing.
• Don't take most things Ozle says seriously.
Only most?
Im wounded Mr Footnote! Wounded!
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- Just don't try to cross Ozle's bridge and you'll be fine.
- If you must cross the bridge, try using a carrot to lure a nearby goat to your aid.
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Balance your terminal actions (ones with no +actions) with your villages (cards with +2 actions, and possibly more). Oftentimes, I see new players buying a bunch of terminals that they wind up drawing together and can't play, or on the other end, buy a bunch of villages when they have no use for the extra actions. Villages and terminals should be around 1:1 in your deck, with a couple extra villages perhaps if they're terminals that draw cards (drawing dead is a waste of both a card in your hand, as well as that action play for the shuffle you're in).
I can't agree with this advice. Except in the vaguest sense of "balance your deck composition". It is almost always better to have a deck with too many terminals, than too few. So one should aim for a couple extra terminals, not a couple extra villages. In a treasure+terminals kind of deck, you should not be afraid of some terminal collision, you should be afraid of having a turn where you don't play your terminal.
I think the worst trap that new players tend to fall into is too many nonterminal actions. Which are generally much weaker than terminals, but feel safer and allow the "chaining" of actions that can feel quite nice, but is often just spinning wheels. But this mistake happens to all players at all levels, and most people could improve their overall game by buying more terminals.
Expanding on this a bit:
When villages are on the board, you need to ask "How important is it to play more than 1 terminal a turn?".
Sometimes your strategy will require that you play lots of terminals each turn, for example when you want to draw your entire deck with Smithies. Given that these sorts of decks take time to build, you want to be sure that you have a large enough source of +actions to draw the cards you need to be able to have awesome turns (perhaps one where you buy multiple Provinces to catch up against a player buying mostly money and VP cards).
But sometimes, you might play game where the maybe the only terminals are Chancellor, Militia, and Moneylender. None of those cards really need to be played more than once a turn. It is good, however, to be able to play one of those cards every turn (specifically, the Militia). If you can't draw most of your cards with Laboratory or something, then you should consider "Over terminal"ing a bit to ensure that a powerful card is played almost every turn (do expect collisions though). If you need to space those cards out a bit, then just buy some Silver or Gold.
If you can draw pretty much your whole deck with cards that give +action +cards like Laboratory, then you don't need more than a couple of copies of the terminal you want to play every turn. The extra copy is for when your deck starts to get clogged with VP cards.
So on a point you made: is it possible to buy more than 1 province a turn? That would require 16 gold and 2 buys! That's quite a hand if you could get it. Is it possible? What are collisions though?
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Well, if you bought a witch, then his hands wouldn't be full of money anymore.
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Balance your terminal actions (ones with no +actions) with your villages (cards with +2 actions, and possibly more). Oftentimes, I see new players buying a bunch of terminals that they wind up drawing together and can't play, or on the other end, buy a bunch of villages when they have no use for the extra actions. Villages and terminals should be around 1:1 in your deck, with a couple extra villages perhaps if they're terminals that draw cards (drawing dead is a waste of both a card in your hand, as well as that action play for the shuffle you're in).
I can't agree with this advice. Except in the vaguest sense of "balance your deck composition". It is almost always better to have a deck with too many terminals, than too few. So one should aim for a couple extra terminals, not a couple extra villages. In a treasure+terminals kind of deck, you should not be afraid of some terminal collision, you should be afraid of having a turn where you don't play your terminal.
I think the worst trap that new players tend to fall into is too many nonterminal actions. Which are generally much weaker than terminals, but feel safer and allow the "chaining" of actions that can feel quite nice, but is often just spinning wheels. But this mistake happens to all players at all levels, and most people could improve their overall game by buying more terminals.
Expanding on this a bit:
When villages are on the board, you need to ask "How important is it to play more than 1 terminal a turn?".
Sometimes your strategy will require that you play lots of terminals each turn, for example when you want to draw your entire deck with Smithies. Given that these sorts of decks take time to build, you want to be sure that you have a large enough source of +actions to draw the cards you need to be able to have awesome turns (perhaps one where you buy multiple Provinces to catch up against a player buying mostly money and VP cards).
But sometimes, you might play game where the maybe the only terminals are Chancellor, Militia, and Moneylender. None of those cards really need to be played more than once a turn. It is good, however, to be able to play one of those cards every turn (specifically, the Militia). If you can't draw most of your cards with Laboratory or something, then you should consider "Over terminal"ing a bit to ensure that a powerful card is played almost every turn (do expect collisions though). If you need to space those cards out a bit, then just buy some Silver or Gold.
If you can draw pretty much your whole deck with cards that give +action +cards like Laboratory, then you don't need more than a couple of copies of the terminal you want to play every turn. The extra copy is for when your deck starts to get clogged with VP cards.
So on a point you made: is it possible to buy more than 1 province a turn? That would require 16 gold and 2 buys! That's quite a hand if you could get it. Is it possible? What are collisions though?
Collisions are, in a broad sense, when you have multiple action cards in the same hand. Often, we really mean "terminal Collision" (what I meant to say). Have two actions that you'd like to play but can only play one due to lack of available actions? Terminal collision. Ex: 2 Militia's in the same hand with no way to play both.
There are, however, certain cards you want to "Collide". Treasure Map from Seaside is an example of a card you want to collide with itself.
Now, is it possible to buy 2 Provinces in a single turn? Yes it is, but it's not all that common using only cards in the base set. It's possible with the "First Game" set in the instructions, and there's a great article about how you can do that.
Can someone link the "Building the first game engine" article. It's awkward for me to do with the mobile I'm using right now.
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Balance your terminal actions (ones with no +actions) with your villages (cards with +2 actions, and possibly more). Oftentimes, I see new players buying a bunch of terminals that they wind up drawing together and can't play, or on the other end, buy a bunch of villages when they have no use for the extra actions. Villages and terminals should be around 1:1 in your deck, with a couple extra villages perhaps if they're terminals that draw cards (drawing dead is a waste of both a card in your hand, as well as that action play for the shuffle you're in).
I can't agree with this advice. Except in the vaguest sense of "balance your deck composition". It is almost always better to have a deck with too many terminals, than too few. So one should aim for a couple extra terminals, not a couple extra villages. In a treasure+terminals kind of deck, you should not be afraid of some terminal collision, you should be afraid of having a turn where you don't play your terminal.
I think the worst trap that new players tend to fall into is too many nonterminal actions. Which are generally much weaker than terminals, but feel safer and allow the "chaining" of actions that can feel quite nice, but is often just spinning wheels. But this mistake happens to all players at all levels, and most people could improve their overall game by buying more terminals.
Expanding on this a bit:
When villages are on the board, you need to ask "How important is it to play more than 1 terminal a turn?".
Sometimes your strategy will require that you play lots of terminals each turn, for example when you want to draw your entire deck with Smithies. Given that these sorts of decks take time to build, you want to be sure that you have a large enough source of +actions to draw the cards you need to be able to have awesome turns (perhaps one where you buy multiple Provinces to catch up against a player buying mostly money and VP cards).
But sometimes, you might play game where the maybe the only terminals are Chancellor, Militia, and Moneylender. None of those cards really need to be played more than once a turn. It is good, however, to be able to play one of those cards every turn (specifically, the Militia). If you can't draw most of your cards with Laboratory or something, then you should consider "Over terminal"ing a bit to ensure that a powerful card is played almost every turn (do expect collisions though). If you need to space those cards out a bit, then just buy some Silver or Gold.
If you can draw pretty much your whole deck with cards that give +action +cards like Laboratory, then you don't need more than a couple of copies of the terminal you want to play every turn. The extra copy is for when your deck starts to get clogged with VP cards.
So on a point you made: is it possible to buy more than 1 province a turn? That would require 16 gold and 2 buys! That's quite a hand if you could get it. Is it possible? What are collisions though?
Collisions are, in a broad sense, when you have multiple action cards in the same hand. Often, we really mean "terminal Collision" (what I meant to say). Have two actions that you'd like to play but can only play one due to lack of available actions? Terminal collision. Ex: 2 Militia's in the same hand with no way to play both.
There are, however, certain cards you want to "Collide". Treasure Map from Seaside is an example of a card you want to collide with itself.
Now, is it possible to buy 2 Provinces in a single turn? Yes it is, but it's not all that common using only cards in the base set. It's possible with the "First Game" set in the instructions, and there's a great article about how you can do that.
Can someone link the "Building the first game engine" article. It's awkward for me to do with the mobile I'm using right now.
Oh, I see what you mean! That article is on the DominionStrategy page, right? I can get it :)
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Is he like, the forum troll or something?
If trolling is a art, Ozle is someone who makes it an high art.
So on a point you made: is it possible to buy more than 1 province a turn? That would require 16 gold and 2 buys! That's quite a hand if you could get it. Is it possible? What are collisions though?
Yes, $16 and two buys isn't at all difficult to get; you just need five Festivals and enough Smithies to draw your entire deck if you haven't trashed your initial Coppers, and if you have trashed your initial Coppers, getting $16 is even easier. Also, the expansions make it a lot more likely to happen. EDIT: Though, while it's not difficult to do, oftentimes it's better to build a deck that just buys a Province and another cheaper card every turn, because it doesn't take that long to build a deck like that.
here's the article requested: http://dominionstrategy.com/2012/07/30/building-the-first-game-engine/
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So on a point you made: is it possible to buy more than 1 province a turn? That would require 16 gold coins and 2 buys! That's quite a hand if you could get it. Is it possible?
Oh, you are going to enjoy Dominion.
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So on a point you made: is it possible to buy more than 1 province a turn? That would require 16 gold coins and 2 buys! That's quite a hand if you could get it. Is it possible?
Oh, you are going to enjoy Dominion.
Lol, why do you say that?
And whoever fixed my post, lol thanks. I meant to say coins and not gold.
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It's sometimes possible to buy all of the Provinces in one turn.
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It's sometimes possible to buy all of the Provinces in one turn.
Blasphemy! Prove it, sir!
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Take a couple minutes and look at this. :)
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=6855.msg197272#msg197272
Edit: Most of that would be unFamiliar to you as they are mostly expansion cards. But there is a simpler way. In Intrigue there is a card called Bridge which gives +$1 and +1 Buy and makes all cards cost $1 less but not less than 0. Playing 7 Bridges by drawing your deck and Throne Room can be easily done and isn't too complicated.
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It's sometimes possible to buy all of the Provinces in one turn.
Blasphemy! Prove it, sir!
There are many possibilities. The simplest would be a card in the first expansion, Intrigue, called "Bridge". Bridge gives you an extra buy, a coin, and it reduces the cost of all cards by 1. So, if you manage to play 7 Bridges in a turn, then all Provinces will cost just $1; and you will have 8 buys.
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It's sometimes possible to buy all of the Provinces in one turn.
Blasphemy! Prove it, sir!
There are many possibilities. The simplest would be a card in the first expansion, Intrigue, called "Bridge". Bridge gives you an extra buy, a coin, and it reduces the cost of all cards by 1. So, if you manage to play 7 Bridges in a turn, then all Provinces will cost just $1; and you will have 8 buys.
That's crazy! I definitely gotta try that expansion out.
Take a couple minutes and look at this. :)
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=6855.msg197272#msg197272
Edit: Most of that would be unFamiliar to you as they are mostly expansion cards. But there is a simpler way. In Intrigue there is a card called Bridge which gives +$1 and +1 Buy and makes all cards cost $1 less but not less than 0. Playing 7 Bridges by drawing your deck and Throne Room can be easily done and isn't too complicated.
I have no words...I don't understand the abbreviations but I can see the recap at the end of the amount of coin and buys he had and what he could buy with it all. I just...have no words for how epic that is lol.
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Here is a game I played the other day where I bought all of the Provinces and a few Colonies in one turn (probably not optimal, just an example):
http://dom.retrobox.eu/?/20140109/log.505c6645a2e6c78ad2ed5ad3.1389285394553.txt
There are many ways to do it, but it's much easier in the expansions than the base game.
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This is quite possibly the best thread this forum has had in a while. You can expect some conflicting advice, but that's part of Dominion... the same advice is not always applicable to all situations.
• Don't take most things Ozle says seriously.
Is he like, the forum troll or something?
Ozle is... more like the "class clown" than a troll. Trolls intend to infuriate. Ozle intends only to be silly, which is infinitely more interesting and useful than trolling.
That said, when Ozle writes something that seems to have no jokes in it at any point... you know shit just got real.
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It's sometimes possible to buy all of the Provinces in one turn.
Blasphemy! Prove it, sir!
There are many possibilities. The simplest would be a card in the first expansion, Intrigue, called "Bridge". Bridge gives you an extra buy, a coin, and it reduces the cost of all cards by 1. So, if you manage to play 7 Bridges in a turn, then all Provinces will cost just $1; and you will have 8 buys.
That's crazy! I definitely gotta try that expansion out.
Take a couple minutes and look at this. :)
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=6855.msg197272#msg197272
Edit: Most of that would be unFamiliar to you as they are mostly expansion cards. But there is a simpler way. In Intrigue there is a card called Bridge which gives +$1 and +1 Buy and makes all cards cost $1 less but not less than 0. Playing 7 Bridges by drawing your deck and Throne Room can be easily done and isn't too complicated.
I have no words...I don't understand the abbreviations but I can see the recap at the end of the amount of coin and buys he had and what he could buy with it all. I just...have no words for how epic that is lol.
The things you can do with certain cards is unreal. Oh, you are going to have fun...
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It's sometimes possible to buy all of the Provinces in one turn.
Blasphemy! Prove it, sir!
There are many possibilities. The simplest would be a card in the first expansion, Intrigue, called "Bridge". Bridge gives you an extra buy, a coin, and it reduces the cost of all cards by 1. So, if you manage to play 7 Bridges in a turn, then all Provinces will cost just $1; and you will have 8 buys.
That's crazy! I definitely gotta try that expansion out.
Take a couple minutes and look at this. :)
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=6855.msg197272#msg197272
Edit: Most of that would be unFamiliar to you as they are mostly expansion cards. But there is a simpler way. In Intrigue there is a card called Bridge which gives +$1 and +1 Buy and makes all cards cost $1 less but not less than 0. Playing 7 Bridges by drawing your deck and Throne Room can be easily done and isn't too complicated.
I have no words...I don't understand the abbreviations but I can see the recap at the end of the amount of coin and buys he had and what he could buy with it all. I just...have no words for how epic that is lol.
The things you can do with certain cards is unreal. Oh, you are going to have fun...
I'm having fun just reading all this, lol. I assume these plays are totally random depending on what cards get picked for the kingdom cards? But yeah still ridiculous lol. I'll have to get Intrigue just for Bridge lol.
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It's sometimes possible to buy all of the Provinces in one turn.
Blasphemy! Prove it, sir!
There are many possibilities. The simplest would be a card in the first expansion, Intrigue, called "Bridge". Bridge gives you an extra buy, a coin, and it reduces the cost of all cards by 1. So, if you manage to play 7 Bridges in a turn, then all Provinces will cost just $1; and you will have 8 buys.
That's crazy! I definitely gotta try that expansion out.
Take a couple minutes and look at this. :)
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=6855.msg197272#msg197272
Edit: Most of that would be unFamiliar to you as they are mostly expansion cards. But there is a simpler way. In Intrigue there is a card called Bridge which gives +$1 and +1 Buy and makes all cards cost $1 less but not less than 0. Playing 7 Bridges by drawing your deck and Throne Room can be easily done and isn't too complicated.
I have no words...I don't understand the abbreviations but I can see the recap at the end of the amount of coin and buys he had and what he could buy with it all. I just...have no words for how epic that is lol.
The things you can do with certain cards is unreal. Oh, you are going to have fun...
I'm having fun just reading all this, lol. I assume these plays are totally random depending on what cards get picked for the kingdom cards? But yeah still ridiculous lol. I'll have to get Intrigue just for Bridge lol.
Yeah the game really explodes in terms of what you can do once you start picking up expansions. With the base set only, you could buy all Provinces in one turn, but only if you were either playing solitaire, or playing an opponent who was letting you do it. For example, if you just bought lots of Festivals, Libraries, Council Rooms, Golds, and Villages; it wouldn't be all that hard to draw most or all of your deck in one turn, and have over $64 to spend and 8 buys. But it wouldn't even happen in a normal game of base set only.
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It's sometimes possible to buy all of the Provinces in one turn.
Blasphemy! Prove it, sir!
There are many possibilities. The simplest would be a card in the first expansion, Intrigue, called "Bridge". Bridge gives you an extra buy, a coin, and it reduces the cost of all cards by 1. So, if you manage to play 7 Bridges in a turn, then all Provinces will cost just $1; and you will have 8 buys.
That's crazy! I definitely gotta try that expansion out.
Take a couple minutes and look at this. :)
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=6855.msg197272#msg197272
Edit: Most of that would be unFamiliar to you as they are mostly expansion cards. But there is a simpler way. In Intrigue there is a card called Bridge which gives +$1 and +1 Buy and makes all cards cost $1 less but not less than 0. Playing 7 Bridges by drawing your deck and Throne Room can be easily done and isn't too complicated.
I have no words...I don't understand the abbreviations but I can see the recap at the end of the amount of coin and buys he had and what he could buy with it all. I just...have no words for how epic that is lol.
The things you can do with certain cards is unreal. Oh, you are going to have fun...
I'm having fun just reading all this, lol. I assume these plays are totally random depending on what cards get picked for the kingdom cards? But yeah still ridiculous lol. I'll have to get Intrigue just for Bridge lol.
Yeah the game really explodes in terms of what you can do once you start picking up expansions. With the base set only, you could buy all Provinces in one turn, but only if you were either playing solitaire, or playing an opponent who was letting you do it. For example, if you just bought lots of Festivals, Libraries, Council Rooms, Golds, and Villages; it wouldn't be all that hard to draw most or all of your deck in one turn, and have over $64 to spend and 8 buys. But it wouldn't even happen in a normal game of base set only.
Yeah I think you'd have a hard time with just the base set. I've been close to getting two provinces in one turn but haven't gotten it yet. Not enough buy, and only like a few coins off from the right amount.
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This is quite possibly the best thread this forum has had in a while. You can expect some conflicting advice, but that's part of Dominion... the same advice is not always applicable to all situations.
• Don't take most things Ozle says seriously.
Is he like, the forum troll or something?
Ozle is... more like the "class clown" than a troll. Trolls intend to infuriate. Ozle intends only to be silly, which is infinitely more interesting and useful than trolling.
That said, when Ozle writes something that seems to have no jokes in it at any point... you know shit just got real.
The ones that don't appear to have any jokes in them...... They are the ones with the really subtle jokes...
Someone has to make the attempt at light relief to water down the über nerds at times! Plus at times the conversations on here are so high level that it can make some readers feel stupid, I give them the output of 'well at least I'm smarter than Ozle'
When I need that output I go and read the BGG forums
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So, when are we explaining all the Possession edge cases? ;)
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This is quite possibly the best thread this forum has had in a while. You can expect some conflicting advice, but that's part of Dominion... the same advice is not always applicable to all situations.
• Don't take most things Ozle says seriously.
Is he like, the forum troll or something?
Ozle is... more like the "class clown" than a troll. Trolls intend to infuriate. Ozle intends only to be silly, which is infinitely more interesting and useful than trolling.
That said, when Ozle writes something that seems to have no jokes in it at any point... you know shit just got real.
The ones that don't appear to have any jokes in them...... They are the ones with the really subtle jokes...
Someone has to make the attempt at light relief to water down the über nerds at times! Plus at times the conversations on here are so high level that it can make some readers feel stupid, I give them the output of 'well at least I'm smarter than Ozle'
When I need that output I go and read the BGG forums
Haha well thanks for that then Ozle!
EDIT: Possession edge cases? Also, my friend doesn't believe that emptying the supply in 4 turns is legit, lol. Can anyone give me anything to prove that its true?
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This is quite possibly the best thread this forum has had in a while. You can expect some conflicting advice, but that's part of Dominion... the same advice is not always applicable to all situations.
• Don't take most things Ozle says seriously.
Is he like, the forum troll or something?
Ozle is... more like the "class clown" than a troll. Trolls intend to infuriate. Ozle intends only to be silly, which is infinitely more interesting and useful than trolling.
That said, when Ozle writes something that seems to have no jokes in it at any point... you know shit just got real.
The ones that don't appear to have any jokes in them...... They are the ones with the really subtle jokes...
Someone has to make the attempt at light relief to water down the über nerds at times! Plus at times the conversations on here are so high level that it can make some readers feel stupid, I give them the output of 'well at least I'm smarter than Ozle'
When I need that output I go and read the BGG forums
Haha well thanks for that then Ozle!
EDIT: Possession edge cases? Also, my friend doesn't believe that emptying the supply in 4 turns is legit, lol. Can anyone give me anything to prove that its true?
Just tell him to work through CC's solution by hand. I haven't done so, but I'm inclined to believe it.
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This is quite possibly the best thread this forum has had in a while. You can expect some conflicting advice, but that's part of Dominion... the same advice is not always applicable to all situations.
• Don't take most things Ozle says seriously.
Is he like, the forum troll or something?
Ozle is... more like the "class clown" than a troll. Trolls intend to infuriate. Ozle intends only to be silly, which is infinitely more interesting and useful than trolling.
That said, when Ozle writes something that seems to have no jokes in it at any point... you know shit just got real.
The ones that don't appear to have any jokes in them...... They are the ones with the really subtle jokes...
Someone has to make the attempt at light relief to water down the über nerds at times! Plus at times the conversations on here are so high level that it can make some readers feel stupid, I give them the output of 'well at least I'm smarter than Ozle'
When I need that output I go and read the BGG forums
Haha well thanks for that then Ozle!
EDIT: Possession edge cases? Also, my friend doesn't believe that emptying the supply in 4 turns is legit, lol. Can anyone give me anything to prove that its true?
Possession is a card from the Alchemy expansion, and it's the card that causes the most rules questions as well as being an exception to almost all rules.
When the 4-turn thing was first posted, my wife and I went through step by step and actually played out the solution given. We found a minor mistake, which I reported, and the author updated/corrected it. I didn't do it again since then, but I'm sure there's other people that have carefully gone through it.
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This is quite possibly the best thread this forum has had in a while. You can expect some conflicting advice, but that's part of Dominion... the same advice is not always applicable to all situations.
• Don't take most things Ozle says seriously.
Is he like, the forum troll or something?
Ozle is... more like the "class clown" than a troll. Trolls intend to infuriate. Ozle intends only to be silly, which is infinitely more interesting and useful than trolling.
That said, when Ozle writes something that seems to have no jokes in it at any point... you know shit just got real.
The ones that don't appear to have any jokes in them...... They are the ones with the really subtle jokes...
Someone has to make the attempt at light relief to water down the über nerds at times! Plus at times the conversations on here are so high level that it can make some readers feel stupid, I give them the output of 'well at least I'm smarter than Ozle'
When I need that output I go and read the BGG forums
Haha well thanks for that then Ozle!
EDIT: Possession edge cases? Also, my friend doesn't believe that emptying the supply in 4 turns is legit, lol. Can anyone give me anything to prove that its true?
Just tell him to work through CC's solution by hand. I haven't done so, but I'm inclined to believe it.
I am too. My friend is going through the cards one by one and reading their descriptions haha.
What 4 turn thing? Sorry for not knowing all these terms :)
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This is quite possibly the best thread this forum has had in a while. You can expect some conflicting advice, but that's part of Dominion... the same advice is not always applicable to all situations.
• Don't take most things Ozle says seriously.
Is he like, the forum troll or something?
Ozle is... more like the "class clown" than a troll. Trolls intend to infuriate. Ozle intends only to be silly, which is infinitely more interesting and useful than trolling.
That said, when Ozle writes something that seems to have no jokes in it at any point... you know shit just got real.
The ones that don't appear to have any jokes in them...... They are the ones with the really subtle jokes...
Someone has to make the attempt at light relief to water down the über nerds at times! Plus at times the conversations on here are so high level that it can make some readers feel stupid, I give them the output of 'well at least I'm smarter than Ozle'
When I need that output I go and read the BGG forums
Haha well thanks for that then Ozle!
EDIT: Possession edge cases? Also, my friend doesn't believe that emptying the supply in 4 turns is legit, lol. Can anyone give me anything to prove that its true?
Just tell him to work through CC's solution by hand. I haven't done so, but I'm inclined to believe it.
I am too. My friend is going through the cards one by one and reading their descriptions haha.
What 4 turn thing? Sorry for not knowing all these terms :)
By "the 4 turn thing" I meant the thing you are talking about; the emptying the supply in 4 turns.
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• Don't take most things Ozle says seriously.
Is he like, the forum troll or something?
I agree with Kirian that "troll" is not a word I would have used to describe Ozle. Although I'm seriously re-thinking that since he just made what I assume is a Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie reference:
If I could offer you only one tip for the future, sunscreen would be it.
EDIT: Ah, looks like that itself is a reference to another work. So, nevermind.
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Only most?
Im wounded Mr Footnote! Wounded!
That's MISTER Mr Footnote to you!
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Emptying the supply in 4 turns requires perfect shuffle luck. That is, you can't do it every game. The thread shows that it's possible IF you have the right kingdom cards and IF everything goes perfectly. It was a solution to a puzzle.
Do not take it as strategy advice.
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Emptying the supply in 4 turns requires perfect shuffle luck. That is, you can't do it every game. The thread shows that it's possible IF you have the right kingdom cards and IF everything goes perfectly. It was a solution to a puzzle.
Do not take it as strategy advice.
I figured as much, lol. Definitely did not read that thinking it was absolutely 100% possible every time. That'd just be broken.
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Emptying the supply in 4 turns requires perfect shuffle luck. That is, you can't do it every game. The thread shows that it's possible IF you have the right kingdom cards and IF everything goes perfectly. It was a solution to a puzzle.
Do not take it as strategy advice.
To say "you can't do it every game" implies that it can happen from time to time. I don't know if it's ever been calculated, but I'm pretty sure the odds of the shuffling coming up the way you need are so small as to be negligible.
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Since I'll be getting Intrigue soon does anyone have any Intrigue related tips?
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Don't buy Saboteur.*
*Except in extremely rare circumstances which are too complicated to describe simply.
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Don't buy Saboteur.*
*Except in extremely rare circumstances which are too complicated to describe simply.
Lol any other tips?
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make your choices wisely*
*intrigue is choice themed expansion
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make your choices wisely*
*intrigue is choice themed expansion
So there's no general tips like taking certain cards over others like in the base game? Or are those just found on the wiki/ card description page on dominionstrategy?
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Check out Qvist's rankings of cards. It's a community tier list of cards based on this forums collective knowledge. Obviously everything isn't right but there's a lot of good stuff in there. They are sorted by card cost. I've linked Qvist's profile. The links for the various pages are in his signature.
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=profile;u=477
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Don't buy Saboteur.*
*Except in extremely rare circumstances which are too complicated to describe simply.
Lol any other tips?
Don't buy Scout?
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make your choices wisely*
*intrigue is choice themed expansion
So there's no general tips like taking certain cards over others like in the base game? Or are those just found on the wiki/ card description page on dominionstrategy?
Really it's that the same general tips apply, for the most part. For instance, the principle of "don't buy villages if you don't expect to frequently have multiple terminals in your hand in one turn that you want to play" applies just as well when the villages are called Shanty Town and Mining Village as it does when they're called Village and Festival.
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make your choices wisely*
*intrigue is choice themed expansion
So there's no general tips like taking certain cards over others like in the base game? Or are those just found on the wiki/ card description page on dominionstrategy?
Fair enough. When I used my GoCoins on Intrigue Complete it kept displaying the "waiting" circle and then it'd go back to the store and show it as not purchased, but it shows up in my adventures now and my "My Cards" section. Did the transaction go through? It seems it did. Also, it's not just Intrigue, it's Intrigue "Peasants and Aristocrats" and something else. Lol why did they do it that way?
Really it's that the same general tips apply, for the most part. For instance, the principle of "don't buy villages if you don't expect to frequently have multiple terminals in your hand in one turn that you want to play" applies just as well when the villages are called Shanty Town and Mining Village as it does when they're called Village and Festival.
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Fair enough. When I used my GoCoins on Intrigue Complete it kept displaying the "waiting" circle and then it'd go back to the store and show it as not purchased, but it shows up in my adventures now and my "My Cards" section. Did the transaction go through? It seems it did. Also, it's not just Intrigue, it's Intrigue "Peasants and Aristocrats" and something else. Lol why did they do it that way?
They've split up Intrigue (and all other large expansions) into 2 (or 3) smaller sets. Make sure you have Intrigue completely, and not just half of it.
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Fair enough. When I used my GoCoins on Intrigue Complete it kept displaying the "waiting" circle and then it'd go back to the store and show it as not purchased, but it shows up in my adventures now and my "My Cards" section. Did the transaction go through? It seems it did. Also, it's not just Intrigue, it's Intrigue "Peasants and Aristocrats" and something else. Lol why did they do it that way?
They've split up Intrigue (and all other large expansions) into 2 (or 3) smaller sets. Make sure you have Intrigue completely, and not just half of it.
What would I have if I had the whole thing? Underlings and Peasants and Aristocrats right?
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In general, if you go into a Dominion game with a predetermined mindset like "Silver and Gold is the key to victory", or "Militia is a strong attack", or even "You should buy Provinces to win the game", you will lose terribly when those maxims no longer hold true. Some cards are better than others more often, but in general getting better at Dominion (and having fun at it!) is recognizing which cards are best in each particular situation. This is something you can't possibly memorize, just something you learn by playing a bunch.
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What would I have if I had the whole thing? Underlings and Peasants and Aristocrats right?
Yeah, if you got both of those, then you've got all of Intrigue.
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What would I have if I had the whole thing? Underlings and Peasants and Aristocrats right?
Yeah, if you got both of those, then you've got all of Intrigue.
I got em both!
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Base and Intrigue is a great combination; it's what the person who introduced me to the game had, and kept our group going for a long time. Whenever I've since played Base only it's felt very limited, but that never happened for Base and Intrigue.
Doubling the number of cards available does a lot to stop Kingdoms being dominated by the same few powerful cards. You start to get variations on themes too, which teaches you about subtle differences between cards: Village and Shanty Town can look quite similar at first, but turn out to play rather differently, and deciding which is more useful in any given situation is an extra level of strategic depth.
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Base and Intrigue is a great combination; it's what the person who introduced me to the game had, and kept our group going for a long time. Whenever I've since played Base only it's felt very limited, but that never happened for Base and Intrigue.
Doubling the number of cards available does a lot to stop Kingdoms being dominated by the same few powerful cards. You start to get variations on themes too, which teaches you about subtle differences between cards: Village and Shanty Town can look quite similar at first, but turn out to play rather differently, and deciding which is more useful in any given situation is an extra level of strategic depth.
Yeah I've realized there's a lot more strategy with intrigue and base. However there are some cards I gotta learn. Or I should just read up on the different Intrigue combos. That would probably help
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Yeah I've realized there's a lot more strategy with intrigue and base. However there are some cards I gotta learn. Or I should just read up on the different Intrigue combos. That would probably help
Please, do yourself the favor and don't read anything about combos and such. It takes away part of the fun of discovering the game by yourself. Try out the cards by yourself first, then, if you really feel like you want to look up for something more complex and "professional", then go check it out. And i need to warn you about one thing: Most strategies on this site refer about games being played in a 2-player game. When 3 or more players are in the game, things can be totally different.
There is also the danger that you may not be able to pull off a strategy that you read, because you will not have the experience to do it in the right way.
You may also not want to be more aknowledged than your friends are about this game, unless you want to be a teacher or something :P. It's more fun for all the players to have the same level of knowledge about a game. That is only my opinion, of course. You can do whatever you want.
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Only most?
Im wounded Mr Footnote! Wounded!
That's MISTER Mr Footnote to you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq7VgZAhk28
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http://www.rd.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/neuro/wiss/pi/hatt.html.en
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Hahaha that made me laugh.
Thanks for all the advice! I'll be sure to just play the game and learn that way. I think that's a better way to learn the combos too.
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You may also not want to be more aknowledged than your friends are about this game, unless you want to be a teacher or something :P. It's more fun for all the players to have the same level of knowledge about a game. That is only my opinion, of course. You can do whatever you want.
Yeah, but it is really fun to pull of a little NV/bridge combo on your friends when they aren't expecting it.
Hahaha that made me laugh.
Thanks for all the advice! I'll be sure to just play the game and learn that way. I think that's a better way to learn the combos too.
I disagree (to some extent). Playing a lot with friends is the most fun way to learn, but combos like NV/bridge are not necessarily obvious, and while it might be fun to stumble into it, I dont think that there is any problem at all learning about it by reading about it. In fact, I would strongly recommend reading through all of the "combos of the day (http://dominionstrategy.com/category/general-strategy/combo-of-the-day/)" on that are on the blog. (NV/Bridge is #27 (http://dominionstrategy.com/2012/01/02/combo-of-the-day-27-native-villagebridge/))
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You may also not want to be more aknowledged than your friends are about this game, unless you want to be a teacher or something :P. It's more fun for all the players to have the same level of knowledge about a game. That is only my opinion, of course. You can do whatever you want.
Yeah, but it is really fun to pull of a little NV/bridge combo on your friends when they aren't expecting it.
Hahaha that made me laugh.
Thanks for all the advice! I'll be sure to just play the game and learn that way. I think that's a better way to learn the combos too.
I disagree (to some extent). Playing a lot with friends is the most fun way to learn, but combos like NV/bridge are not necessarily obvious, and while it might be fun to stumble into it, I dont think that there is any problem at all learning about it by reading about it. In fact, I would strongly recommend reading through all of the "combos of the day (http://dominionstrategy.com/category/general-strategy/combo-of-the-day/)" on that are on the blog. (NV/Bridge is #27 (http://dominionstrategy.com/2012/01/02/combo-of-the-day-27-native-villagebridge/))
Yes, combos like this are not obvious. But, getting into the procedure of checking them out means that you want to move to the next level. When you are new to the game, seeing these articles may create some confusion in the way you see things in Dominion generally, because most of these articles take for granted things that new players are not even aware of.
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I would say you probably want to play a bit first to get a feel for things, and then move on to studying more. But if you don't have much of a feel for how games play out, you're just jumping too far ahead, and specific articles like combos won't do just tons of good anyway.
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I would say you probably want to play a bit first to get a feel for things, and then move on to studying more. But if you don't have much of a feel for how games play out, you're just jumping too far ahead, and specific articles like combos won't do just tons of good anyway.
Not only that. The new player may get some wrong messages. For example, combos encourage you to play with some specific kingdom cards, while, at most, ignoring the presence of other cards. But this is not the right play. In fact, it's rarely the right play, because there may be some kingdom cards that can enchance the efficiency of your combo and if you don't see that while your opponent does, it will mean that you will lose the game.
In the Native Village/Bridge example given above, this combo is certainly enchanced by the presence of Workshop/Ironworks/Armory. This is not specified in the article, that says "buy nothing but Native Villages and Bridges". So the new player may ignore the presence of such cards, which is obviously not the right play.
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Yeah I've played a few games against the AI and in figuring things out but I don't think it would hurt a lot to just keep an open mind while I read and obviously take your advice and just take the article with a grain of salt and try not to get too stuck on what it's saying. I definitely think that would help
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Yeah I've played a few games against the AI and in figuring things out but I don't think it would hurt a lot to just keep an open mind while I read and obviously take your advice and just take the article with a grain of salt and try not to get too stuck on what it's saying. I definitely think that would help
Yeah, that's good. If you can do that, it's definitely good.
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Yeah I've played a few games against the AI and in figuring things out but I don't think it would hurt a lot to just keep an open mind while I read and obviously take your advice and just take the article with a grain of salt and try not to get too stuck on what it's saying. I definitely think that would help
Yeah, that's good. If you can do that, it's definitely good.
Yeah now to just find the Intrigue articles lol
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If playing a random kingdom set and you get Prosperity as a few of the cards, do people always play with Colony and Platinum? Or is it more rare to see those types of games? Is there a preference among the general community?
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If playing a random kingdom set and you get Prosperity as a few of the cards, do people always play with Colony and Platinum? Or is it more rare to see those types of games? Is there a preference among the general community?
The suggested rule in the rulebook is that you are more likely to use Platinum and Colony the more Prosperity cards are in your game. If 4 of the cards are from Prosperity, you have a 40% chance to use Platinum/Colony. Pro games on Goko use this rule.
When creating Kingdoms, I've lately just been including them whenever I play with Prosperity, because if I'm playing with Prosperity it means I'm using half or all Prosperity cards. But that's just me.
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If playing a random kingdom set and you get Prosperity as a few of the cards, do people always play with Colony and Platinum? Or is it more rare to see those types of games? Is there a preference among the general community?
The suggested rule in the rulebook is that you are more likely to use Platinum and Colony the more Prosperity cards are in your game. If 4 of the cards are from Prosperity, you have a 40% chance to use Platinum/Colony. Pro games on Goko use this rule.
When creating Kingdoms, I've lately just been including them whenever I play with Prosperity, because if I'm playing with Prosperity it means I'm using half or all Prosperity cards. But that's just me.
Oh okay, so it's just best to use them because the Prosperity cards make use of them?
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Oh okay, so it's just best to use them because the Prosperity cards make use of them?
You can use Platinum and Colony whether you are playing with Prosperity cards or not. There is nothing to stop you from that. The rules don't forbid it. But, it's usually more optimal to use them if some Prosperity cards are included. Because Prosperity cards are generally designed to produce more economy. If you use the Platinum/Colony in a game that doesn't include Prosperity cards, you will see that it's kinda hard to hit $11 for a Colony. You can still use them in a non-Prosperity game, though; it's not bad. Sometimes, you will just want to go for Provinces with a little Colony support.
Also, Shelters and Dark Ages is a similar case.
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It's not so much that the Prosperity cards need Colonies or Platinums, but there's a strong synergy - the broad theme of Prosperity is "big and expensive", so if you've got a lot of cards from Prosperity then you're going to need some big money (like Platinum), but once you buy the cards they're really good at helping you get even more money, which will let you buy Colonies. Not that you should always go for Colonies when they're out, but if you see them, you should keep them in mind.
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Oh okay, so it's just best to use them because the Prosperity cards make use of them?
You can use Platinum and Colony whether you are playing with Prosperity cards or not. There is nothing to stop you from that. The rules don't forbid it. But, it's usually more optimal to use them if some Prosperity cards are included. Because Prosperity cards are generally designed to produce more economy. If you use them in a game that doesn't include Prosperity cards, you will see that it's kinda hard to hit $11 for a Colony. You can still use them in a non-Prosperity game, though; it's not bad. Sometimes, you will just want to go for Provinces with a little Colony support.
Also, Shelters and Dark Ages is a similar case.
Oh okay, I didnt know they could be used whenever. But I guess the simple way to put it is to use them when playing Prosperity or at least some Prosperity kingdom cards.
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Oh okay, so it's just best to use them because the Prosperity cards make use of them?
You can use Platinum and Colony whether you are playing with Prosperity cards or not. There is nothing to stop you from that. The rules don't forbid it. But, it's usually more optimal to use them if some Prosperity cards are included. Because Prosperity cards are generally designed to produce more economy. If you use them in a game that doesn't include Prosperity cards, you will see that it's kinda hard to hit $11 for a Colony. You can still use them in a non-Prosperity game, though; it's not bad. Sometimes, you will just want to go for Provinces with a little Colony support.
Also, Shelters and Dark Ages is a similar case.
Oh okay, I didnt know they could be used whenever. But I guess the simple way to put it is to use them when playing Prosperity or at least some Prosperity kingdom cards.
Yep, that's exactly the case.
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Oh okay, so it's just best to use them because the Prosperity cards make use of them?
You can use Platinum and Colony whether you are playing with Prosperity cards or not. There is nothing to stop you from that. The rules don't forbid it. But, it's usually more optimal to use them if some Prosperity cards are included. Because Prosperity cards are generally designed to produce more economy. If you use them in a game that doesn't include Prosperity cards, you will see that it's kinda hard to hit $11 for a Colony. You can still use them in a non-Prosperity game, though; it's not bad. Sometimes, you will just want to go for Provinces with a little Colony support.
Also, Shelters and Dark Ages is a similar case.
Oh okay, I didnt know they could be used whenever. But I guess the simple way to put it is to use them when playing Prosperity or at least some Prosperity kingdom cards.
Yep, that's exavtly the case.
Works for me. Now if only PlaySpan would take my stupid money :P
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The funny thing is, even though the suggested algorithm for using Platinum/Colony is as I described, Donald has since revealed that the idea was not necessarily to put them together with Prosperity cards, but simply to see Colony and Platinum about as often as you see Prosperity cards in general. So if you own all the cards, you'd just include Platinum and Colony about 1/8 of the time, regardless of how many Prosperity cards may be in your game.
However, this is one of the few points where I disagree with Donald. From what I can gather, Prosperity was almost exclusively tested using Platinum and Colony, and it shows. I don't think cards like Contraband and Counting House would have made the cut if they were tested mostly in non-Colony games. Likewise, many of the very expensive cards that the set is known for (Expand, Forge, Bank, etc.) are much more worthwhile in a Colony game than a Province game. I have found that pairing Platinum/Colony with more Prosperity cards makes for more enjoyable games. That's just my 2¢.
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I caved :P. I got Prosperity, Hinterlands and Alchemy now to go along with Intrigue.
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enjoy! Dominion is the bomz!
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enjoy! Dominion is the bomz!
True that! Bought 'em this morning but have yet been able to play. Lots of work to do, lol.