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Dominion => Dominion General Discussion => Topic started by: brokoli on June 09, 2013, 08:28:49 am
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I'm interested to know if in dark ages there are good terminal silvers that combo with Hunting party : Scavenger ? Mystic ? Counterfeit ? Dame Silvia ?
Can someone run some simulations ?
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My thoughts:
Scavenger should be good, leave a Hunting Party on top that you didn't use this turn, and if somehow your Hunting Parties didn't leave everything in your discard pile, your Scavenger does that too.
Mystic would be bad, since it triggers a reshuffle of all your Hunting Party rejects.
Counterfeit isn't great, there's probably a better source of +buy, and your Hunting Parties ignore all that Copper anyway.
Dame Sylvia has a chance to hit your opponent's Hunting Parties, which is nice. If she's the top Knight, I'd say go for it - I doubt any other Knight combos with Hunting Party quite as well, and your opponent doesn't want more than one Knight because Hunting Party will trip over all of them.
All three of Counterfeit/Mystic/Dame Sylvia do have the problem of costing $5, which means you didn't buy a Hunting Party that turn.
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Sir Discard is going to also be bad for HP stacks - discard attacks hurt them a fair bit. Also, relying on any knights with an HP stack is going to be a bit dodgy, as not only are you going to have your knight trashed reasonably often, but their knights are going to trash your stuff.
Mystic should be fine - you just use it *before* you play all your HPs - pretty much as soon as you can - and the potential card draw helps, though I'm not sure how big a deal it is.
Counterfeit should be fine, or good even, but it doesn't really have synergy here. It's biggest problem is not so much that it's weak, but that it is going to promote other strategies more.
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Thinking of it, there are other possibilities :
- HP + Beggar : probably rather bad, but beggar is cheap and HP can draw skipping coppers.
- HP + Storeroom : if you have an estate and a province in hand that you discard with storeroom, you'll have at least $8 (Gold + Silver + Copper + $2), and a +buy...
And aside from the standard HP+X, I'm thinking : is Hunting party + Graverobber a thing ?
The idea is to trash a hunting party with graverobber, gain a province and buy either another hunting party or another province if you have enough.
(Otherwise gain a hunting party from trash and topdeck it)
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HP + Bandit Camp might also work (or HP+ Marauder if your opponent doesn't buy marauders)
There's also HP + Rogue, which will probably be good if your opponent goes for HPs as well.
HP + Counterfeit is quite good I think. You usually have spare coppers, and I disagree with Warfreak on another +buy being usually available (how is that gonna fit in your deck). A double HP turn might be very useful. Also, you don't need spare coppers for the last 2 provinces. Gold+counterfeited silver+copper, and counterfeited gold+copper both are enough for a province.
HP + Graverobber sounds good, the problem is the Graverobber doesn't do anything early.
In that vein HP + Butcher sounds awesome. Early on, you can build up cointokens and use them occasionally to get from $4 to $5 for a HP, but usually you can just save them, in order to later butcher HP->Province.
HP + Baker also doesn't look bad on first sight.
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In that vein HP + Butcher sounds awesome. Early on, you can build up cointokens and use them occasionally to get from $4 to $5 for a HP, but usually you can just save them, in order to later butcher HP->Province.
Butchering Shelters or Estates (and maybe also Curses and Ruins) would also be great. At worst you can turn them into Coppers, which would make Butcher one of the HP-friendliest terminal silvers in the game. At best it might turn out that other options are even stronger, such as turning them into Silver, HP, or a good $2.
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Counterfeit isn't great, there's probably a better source of +buy, and your Hunting Parties ignore all that Copper anyway.
- HP + Beggar : probably rather bad, but beggar is cheap and HP can draw skipping coppers.
While HP is a bit more resilient to Copper than most cards, they are still hurt by Copper. It's really important to start with a HP in hand and to keep the chain going. Copper can get in the way, costing you a turn.
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Sir Discard
I am glad I am not the only one who calls them Sir Cantrip, Sir Militia, Dame Village, Dame Chapel, Dame Nobles, Sir Moat, Dame Workshop, Sir Market Square... Sir Market, and Dame Silver.
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Count is not bad. You can potentially trash your 3 Estates or Shelters to get rid of this unique cards. It gives +$3, which is great, and lets you save a spare HP. In the late game, it heavily improves your ability to Duchy dance of your need to.
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I think any Woodcutter variant is going to be easier to pick up, at $3/$4 it's an early-game buy that will help you for the whole game, and it helps you get to the Hunting Parties. The main problem I have with Counterfeit is that it costs $5. Count does sound potentially very good because of putting a Hunting Party back, and the Duchy gaining, but you would pick it up after the Hunting Parties are gone, in which case you aren't going to get a chance to trash your Estates with it. If you go for Count trashing first, you are going to lose the Hunting Party split - it's just so unlikely to draw it with all three Estates.
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HP and Rogue is pretty awesome when it is a mirror match (and terribly awful when it isn't)
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Sir Discard
I like this notation for Knights and think we should use it more often.
Sir Discard
Sir Trash
Sir Cantrip
Sir Cards
Sir Actions
Sir Money
Sir Buys
Sir Gain
Sir Victory
Sir Gold
e: I see Warfreak has a different notation that I also like.
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Some of those dudes are ladies though.
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Some of those dudes are ladies though.
Yes, but if I can't remember which name goes with which function, remembering which gender seems like an equally pointless exercise.
I think the coins, gain, actions, and victory are ladies?
e: Also I personally have no problem with referring to women as "Sir".
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I think HP + Knights is not just a nombo but a bad idea. If you're grabbing HP while your opponent builds up Knights, your HPs aren't going to last very long and you're going to lose the Knight split. Better to go after Knights first.
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Some of those dudes are ladies though.
Yes, but if I can't remember which name goes with which function, remembering which gender seems like an equally pointless exercise.
I think the coins, gain, actions, and victory are ladies?
Trasher too, I believe.
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I think HP + Knights is not just a nombo but a bad idea. If you're grabbing HP while your opponent builds up Knights, your HPs aren't going to last very long and you're going to lose the Knight split. Better to go after Knights first.
If you go after Knights before picking up the tools to draw them every turn, you're going to go nowhere with them. The HP deck won't do much trashing, so you're trying to trash 3-4 HPs in a ~20-card deck. Your hit rate is not going to be very good. You have to start HP and then pick up some Knights.
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Sir Discard Jerkface
Sir Trash
Sir Cantrip
Sir Cards
Sir Actions
Sir Money
Sir Buys
Sir Gain
Sir Victory
Sir Gold
FTFY
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sir victory? I'll take that one for sure!
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Sir Discard
I like this notation for Knights and think we should use it more often.
Sir Discard
Sir Trash
Sir Cantrip
Sir Cards
Sir Actions
Sir Money
Sir Buys
Sir Gain
Sir Victory
Sir Gold
e: I see Warfreak has a different notation that I also like.
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I don't like that you made them all male. That's not cool.
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sir victory? I'll take that one for sure!
That's Dame Victory to you, sir.
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Sir Discard
I like this notation for Knights and think we should use it more often.
Sir Discard
Sir Trash
Sir Cantrip
Sir Cards
Sir Actions
Sir Money
Sir Buys
Sir Gain
Sir Victory
Sir Gold
e: I see Warfreak has a different notation that I also like.
:(
I don't like that you made them all male. That's not cool.
As I noted previously, that only makes them all male if you decide it does. You can refer to women as Sir.
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Sir Discard
I like this notation for Knights and think we should use it more often.
Sir Discard
Sir Trash
Sir Cantrip
Sir Cards
Sir Actions
Sir Money
Sir Buys
Sir Gain
Sir Victory
Sir Gold
e: I see Warfreak has a different notation that I also like.
:(
I don't like that you made them all male. That's not cool.
As I noted previously, that only makes them all male if you decide it does. You can refer to women as Shirley.
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Shirley and 8 other Knights sat at the table. The only one missing was Sir Cantrip, who had a bad habit of arriving later. Since the game could not start unless all Knights were present, there was nothing to do but to wait.
After a long period of silence, Shirley said, "I do believe these meetings would go much smoother, if Sir Cantrip would stop tripping over his doorstep every day." To which there was much quiet laughter. "Oh Shirley, you jest!"
sorry that sounded better in my head
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At least where I'm from, it's quite rude to call a woman Sir.
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You know you play too much Dominion when you know each Knight's function by its name...
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The only one I remember is the only one worth remembering, Sir Martin. I do like the rest of the suggested names.
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For me it's more "Sir I-don't-care-cause-I-need-a-Knight-anyway".
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Off the top of my head...
Anna: trashing
Josephine: VP
Molly: actions
Sylvia: coins
female, name starts with a D?: gain card up to $3
Martin: buys
Bailey: cantrip
Vander: Gold on trash
Destry: cards
Michael?: discard attack
And checking now... Michael was correct, but the gainer was Natalie.
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I think of sir martin as the cheap knight, not the one that gives buys. (it's both)
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He's Sir Market, because Markets give +buy, and Martin sounds a little bit like Market. Dame Sylvia is +$2 so obviously she is going to be Dame Silver.
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female, name starts with a D?
Yup, all the Dames start with a D.
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At least where I'm from, it's quite rude to call a woman Sir.
Counterpoint: military
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At least where I'm from, it's quite rude to call a woman Sir.
Counterpoint: military
Depends on the military.
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He's Sir Market, because Markets give +buy, and Martin sounds a little bit like Market. Dame Sylvia is +$2 so obviously she is going to be Dame Silver.
Huh, I wonder if that was intentional on Donald's part.
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At least where I'm from, it's quite rude to call a woman Sir.
Counterpoint: military
I don't see a contradiction here.