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Dominion => Game Reports => Help! => Topic started by: zahlman on January 14, 2013, 03:52:55 pm

Title: WTF, I thought transmute was less than impressive?
Post by: zahlman on January 14, 2013, 03:52:55 pm
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201301/14/game-20130114-124839-7044d599.html

Yeah, yeah, I picked up Masq and didn't have a way to get rid of it on a Possession board... I thought he'd get one too and I'd pass it at some point. But that didn't even come into play... he just bought a few Labs and the one Transmute, and lined it up to get Gold rather quickly... and then I wasn't able to do anything with his deck in return. Wat? Never minding that he was able to hit 8 with my anemic deck while I couldn't with his Gold-filled one - it looks as though without Possession involved, he would have pegged similar results. But I thought Transmute wasn't capable of anything like this - 6 Provs in 16 turns? How? And this guy is 0 rank, too, so that really hurts. He even commented before the game that he "doesn't know most of these cards". Sigh.
Title: Re: WTF, I thought transmute was less than impressive?
Post by: KingsSkort on January 14, 2013, 04:46:55 pm
I don't think your opponent's play/luck are particularly relevant in analyzing this game. Your deck was simply too slow. Masq-BM should smoke a potion opening. Even if your goal is a possession deck, you probably prefer 2 masqs to 1 to trash faster and send the second over. Your IWs don't seem to be playing a useful role in your deck, since the silvers are not all that helpful and you have way more hamlets than you could ever need.
Title: Re: WTF, I thought transmute was less than impressive?
Post by: Kirian on January 14, 2013, 05:05:45 pm
Transmute is terrible... depending on the board.  Lab is a card that combos well with it, because it can link up Transmute and Estate.  Here's the thing, though: Ironworks isn't great here, and you just don't need all those Hamlets.  You have six in your deck, but only used them 5 times for any more than a cantrip.  The IW plays would have been much better as Silver gains, and I don't think you want more than one here.  You also bought no Gold, despite a couple chances, and you would have had more chances with more Silvers in your deck.  Now, that would have left you more vulnerable to Possession, certainly... but he only plays Possession once.

I'll grant he got lucky with draws, and was therefore able to play Transmute perfectly, and you had a few unlucky draws.  But those early Hamlets gave you nothing (Hamlet increases your deck's buying power by jack and squat).  And if you had skipped the Potion buy, ignoring Possession, and bought Provinces the turns you got Possession, you would have likely won, forcing him into a Duchy dance; you were in a position to ignore PPR.

In other words, he got lucky and played very well; you got unlucky and played poorly for the board.
Title: Re: WTF, I thought transmute was less than impressive?
Post by: dondon151 on January 14, 2013, 05:20:35 pm
I think the more important question is, against a less experienced opponent, why would you veto Goons?
Title: Re: WTF, I thought transmute was less than impressive?
Post by: hsiale on January 15, 2013, 04:57:11 am
He might be vetoing random. BTW it would be nice if Iso logs told if each player vetoed random or not.
Title: Re: WTF, I thought transmute was less than impressive?
Post by: CopperrCopper on January 15, 2013, 12:10:08 pm
confession - i always say i veto random even though i rarely do. 
Title: Re: WTF, I thought transmute was less than impressive?
Post by: Ozle on January 15, 2013, 12:11:03 pm
confession - i always say i veto random even though i rarely do.

You sir, have destroyed my faith in humanity!
Title: Re: WTF, I thought transmute was less than impressive?
Post by: Polk5440 on January 15, 2013, 02:10:46 pm
confession - i always say i veto random even though i rarely do.

You sir, have destroyed my faith in humanity!

Your faith must have been hanging by merely a thread....
Title: Re: WTF, I thought transmute was less than impressive?
Post by: Ozle on January 15, 2013, 02:11:53 pm
confession - i always say i veto random even though i rarely do.

You sir, have destroyed my faith in humanity!

Your faith must have been hanging by merely a thread....

Oh it was, it was. A veritable Sword of Damocles trying to hold back a wave of mixed metaphors

Title: Re: WTF, I thought transmute was less than impressive?
Post by: sudgy on January 15, 2013, 05:15:26 pm
confession - i always say i veto random even though i rarely do.

You sir, have destroyed my faith in humanity!

Your faith must have been hanging by merely a thread....

By this thread?
Title: Re: WTF, I thought transmute was less than impressive?
Post by: Polk5440 on January 15, 2013, 05:55:57 pm
confession - i always say i veto random even though i rarely do.

You sir, have destroyed my faith in humanity!

Your faith must have been hanging by merely a thread....

By this thread?

That was the intended pun.  :D