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Dominion => Puzzles and Challenges => Topic started by: AJD on September 02, 2012, 12:44:30 am
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Another Dominion card memory quiz, like the recent "maximum +$" quiz (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=4374.0).
By my count, there are 16 words* that appear in the names of three or more Dominion cards. Your task: from memory, name as many of these 16 words as you can, and state the number of cards they appear in the names of. (This is list 1).
There are also at least 21 words that appear in the names of exactly two cards. For bonus points, name as many of these as you can too. (List 2.)
Again, don't look anything up!
Scoring:
For each word on list 1 that appears on 2 or more cards, you'll score 10 points minus the difference between the number of cards it appears in the name of and the number of cards you say it appears in the name of, to a minimum of 1 point. (For instance, if you guess that "Brush" appears in 5 card names, and it actually appears in 3, you'll score 8 points.)
For each word on list 2 that appears on 2 or more cards, you'll score 1 point.
Scores so far:
Chester: 133
Grujah: 125
Schneau: 117
Jonts26: 114
GendoIkari: 60
*Fine print about "words":
When I say "word", I actually mean 'free morpheme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morpheme)'. A morpheme is the smallest building block that contributes to the meaning of a word it appears in. A free morpheme is one that is capable of standing alone as a word. For instance, "Remodel" contains two morphemes, re-, which means 'again', and model; but model is the only one that's a free morpheme, which is what this challenge is concerned with. So for example, if there were cards called Washing Machine and Washerwoman, they would count as sharing the same "word" wash: wash is a free morpheme and can stand on its own as a word, even though it doesn't happen to be doing so in either of those card names. Note that the same morpheme can sometimes be spelled and pronounced slightly differently in different words (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morpheme#Allomorphs); cards called Receiving Line and Reception both would count as sharing the word receive, even though the pronunciation of the morpheme changes in the word reception. And on the other hand, it's possible for two different morphemes, or parts thereof, to have the same spelling or pronunciation: if there were cards called Cornstalk and Stalker, or Nickel and Pumpernickel, they would not count as having a word in common; you can tell that the two different stalks are separate and unrelated words that just coincidentally happen to sound the same, because their meanings have nothing to do with each other.
Now updated for Guilds!
Here are my lists of the correct answers.
Words in the names of three or more cards:
Dame (5: Anna, Josephine, Molly, Natalie, Sylvia)
Duke (3: Duke, Duchess, Duchy)
Gold (3: Gold, Bag of Gold, Fool's Gold)
House (4: Counting, Poor, Lighthouse, Warehouse)
Of (4: Band Misfits, Jack All Trades, Horn Plenty, Bag Gold)
Man (3: Journey-, Mad-, Tax-)
Market (5: Market, Black, Grand, Square, Ruined)
Merchant (3: Guild, Spice, Ship)
Mine (3: Mine, Mining Village, Abandoned Mine)
Room (3: Throne Room, Council Room, Storeroom)
Ruin (3: -ed Library, -ed Market, -ed Village)
Ship (3: Pirate Ship, Ghost Ship, Merchant Ship)
Sir (5: Bailey, Destry, Martin, Michael, Vander)
Trade (5: -er, -ing Post, Route, Jack of all, Horse Traders)
Village (9: V, Mng, Ntv, Fish, Wkr, Frm, Wal, Bord, Ruin)
Work (3: Workshop, Ironworks, Worker's Village)
Words in the names of 2 cards:
Camp (Nomad, Bandit)
Copper (Copper, -smith)
Court (-yard, King's)
Cut (-purse, Woodcutter)
Estate (Estate, Overgrown)
Farm (-ing Village, -land)
Ground (Fair-, Hunting)
Hunt (-ing Party, -ing Grounds)
Iron (-works, -monger)
Library (Library, Ruined)
Make (Candlestick, Re-)
Noble (-s, Brigand)
Out (Look-, -post)
Post (Out-, Trading)
Road (Cross-, Silk)
Stone (Philosopher's, -mason)
Smith (-y, Copper-)
Treasure (-y, Map)
Venture (Venture, Adventurer)
Witch (Witch, Young)
Yard (Court-, Vine-)
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No where near all of them, but here's what I got.
1. Market - 4
2. Ship- 3
3. Village - 8
4. Trade - 5
5. Gold - 3
1. Copper
2. Noble
3. Witch
4. Hunting
5. Estate
6. Court
7. Mine
8. Library
9. Venture
10. House
11. Treasure
12. Room
Assuming band and count don't count...
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Are pen and paper allowed?
Also, I got more than 15 in List 2. I might be doing something wrong!
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List 1:
Village (9, Fishing, Regular, Native, Worker's, Mining, Farming, Walled, Border, Ruined)
Sir (5)
Dame (5)
Market (5, Regular, Square, Black, Grand, Ruined)
Trade (4, Route, Post, Trader, Horse)
House (4, Poor, Were, Light, Counting)
Mine (3, Regular, Village, Abandoned)
Ship (3, Ghost, Merchant, Pirate)
Merchant (3, Ship, Spice, Mercenary) .. Kinda a strch.
Work (3, Iron, Shop, Village)
Duchy (3, Regular, Duke, Duchess)
Band (3, Camp, Misfits, Contra)
List 2:
Estate (Regular, Overgrown)
Post (Out, Trading)
Embassy (Regular, Ambassador)
Cut (Purse, Wood)
Iron (Works, Monger)
Road (Cross, Silk)
Noble (Brigand, Nobles)
Room (Store, Throne)
Court (Yard, King's)
Witch (Regular, Young)
Library (Regular and Ruined)
Hunt (Party and Grounds)
Venture (Adventure, Venture)
Ground (Fair, Hunting)
Farm (Village, Lands)
Gold (Regular, Fool's)
Copper (Regular, Smith)
Smith (Smithy, Copper)
Does NOT count:
Count (Regular, House)
Grave (Mar, Robber, Count!)
Loan (Regular, Money)
Bank (Regular, Monte)
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Also, I got more than 15 in List 2. I might be doing something wrong!
No, I missed some in my original count! Nice catch.
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Here's my list. I only got 10 on list 1, but 21 on list 2. Some may be cheats, or ones that belong on list 1 but I couldn't think of a third.
List 1
9 Village (Village, Mining Village, Native Village, Fishing Village, Worker's Village, Farming Village, Border Village, Ruined Village, Walled Village)
5 Market (Market, Grand Market, Black Market, Ruined Market, Market Square)
5 Sir (5 Knights)
5 Dame (5 Knights)
4 House (Counting House, Poor House, Lighthouse, Warehouse)
4 Trade (Trade Route, Trader, Jack of all Trades, Trading Post)
3 Mine (Mine, Abandonded Mine, Mining Village)
3 Room (Throne Room, Council Room, Storeroom)
3 Ship (Ghost Ship, Pirate Ship, Merchant Ship)
3 Ruin (Ruined Village, Ruined Market, Ruined Library
List 2
2 Estate (Estate, Overgrown Estate)
2 Bank (Bank, Mountebank)
2 Merchant (Merchant Ship, Spice Merchant)
2 Copper (Coppersmith, Copper)
2 Smith (Smithy, Coppersmith)
2 Hunting (Hunting Party, Hunting Grounds)
2 Library (Library, Ruined Library)
2 Iron (Ironworks, Ironmonger)
2 Camp (Bandit Camp, Nomad Camp)
2 Count (Count, Counting House)
2 Of (Band of Misfits, Jack of all Trades)
2 Venture (Adventurer, Venture)
2 Witch (Witch, Young Witch)
2 Feast (Feast, Festival)
2 Court (King's Court, Courtyard)
2 Work (Worker's Village, Workshop)
2 Post (Outpost, Trading Post)
2 Farm (Farming Village, Farmland)
2 Road (Crossroads, Silk Road)
2 Noble (Nobles, Noble Brigand)
2 Gold (Fool's Gold, Gold)
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For each word on list 1 that appears on 2 or more cards, you'll score 10 points minus the difference between the number of cards it appears in the name of and the number of cards you say it appears in the name of, to a minimum of 1 point. [...]
For each word on list 2 that appears on 2 or more cards, you'll score 1 point.
I beat the hiscore by emptying my list 2, putting the cards there on list 1 with the guess "3" instead. :-)
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For each word on list 1 that appears on 2 or more cards, you'll score 10 points minus the difference between the number of cards it appears in the name of and the number of cards you say it appears in the name of, to a minimum of 1 point. [...]
For each word on list 2 that appears on 2 or more cards, you'll score 1 point.
I beat the hiscore by emptying my list 2, putting the cards there on list 1 with the guess "3" instead. :-)
You... make an interesting point, there. I guess we'd best put a limit of 14 guesses on list 1.
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I'm not going to bother guessing how many times each word appears, but...
A
I
Out
Room
Court
Count
Village
Age
And
Band
Of
To
Ion
Yard
An
Ship
At
In
Cur
Is
Cop
Copper
Per
Work
Works
Estate
Ate
Market
Are
Rat
Venture
Vent
Hip
Old
Gold
Witch
Wit
Car
Mar
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So I'm not sure how you score it if you put something in the 2 list but it's actually in the 3+ list but I have House and Room wrong. Also I had something in the 3+ list that you had in the 2 list. Of: Band of Misfist, Jack of all Trades, Horn of Plenty, Bag of Gold. And one question about a pair of cards: Feast and Fest-ival are the same, right? Or they at least derive from the same word so not sure if it counts.
Anyway, my lists:
List 1
Market x5
Village x9
of x4
Trade x5
Sir x5
Dame x5
Work x3
Ruined x3
Gold x3
Mine x3
Ship x3
List 2
Court
Camp
Library
Witch
Room
Feast (Festival)
Copper
Noble
Hunting
Farm
Estate
House
Iron
Ground
Smith
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Counting free morphemes is going a bit too far on the crazy scale, I think. How about actual words as printed?
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Also I had something in the 3+ list that you had in the 2 list. Of: Band of Misfist, Jack of all Trades, Horn of Plenty, Bag of Gold.
Oh man, you're right. I shouldn't have counted up my original list in the middle of the night.
And one question about a pair of cards: Feast and Fest-ival are the same, right? Or they at least derive from the same word so not sure if it counts.
Nah, shared etymology doesn't mean they're the same morpheme in the contemporary language.
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2 list- band (contraband, band of misfits)
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Counting free morphemes is going a bit too far on the crazy scale, I think. How about actual words as printed?
But then we'd have to use a model which doesn't count Farmland and Farming Village or Trading Post and Trade Route as sharing a word, and that seems really counterintuitive to me.
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2 list- band (contraband, band of misfits)
No, that's a Pumpernickel/Nickel situation.
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2 list- band (contraband, band of misfits)
No, that's a Pumpernickel/Nickel situation.
You sure?
As you can see, here:
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=contraband&searchmode=none
Bandit and contraband have same etymology roots.
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2 list- band (contraband, band of misfits)
No, that's a Pumpernickel/Nickel situation.
You sure?
As you can see, here:
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=contraband&searchmode=none
Bandit and contraband have same etymology roots.
...No they don't. As it says, the -band part of contraband comes from ban, which is from Indo-European *bha-, whereas band is related to bind, which it says is from Indo-European *bendh- (which is probably a typo for *bhendh-).
Any anyway, even if they did, as I said above, shared etymology wouldn't mean they're the same morpheme in the contemporary language.
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One questionable one that I came up with that's not on the list:
Land (Farm, Isle)
And I managed to go too high on three guesses.
Village (*, Mining, Fishing, Farming, Workers, Border, Walled, Ruined, Mining, Native) (-1) (I like mining villages).
Sir (x6) (-1) (oh, there's only 5? :-()
Dame (x6) (-1)
Trade (Trading Post, Trader, Horse, Route) (-1)
Market(*, Grand, Square, Ruined, Black)
Ship (Pirate, Ghost, Merchant)
Duke (*, Duchy, Duchess)
Gold (*, Bag of, Fool's)
Ruin (Market, Library, Village)
Room (Throne, Council, storage)
House (Counting, Light, Ware) (-1)
Mine (*, Abandoned, Village)
Land (Isle, farm) (?) Treasure (Treasury, Map) Farm (Village, land) Noble (*, Brigand) Out (Lookout, Outpost) Library(*, Ruined)
Court(Yard, King's) Yard (Court, Vine) Witch (*, Young) Iron (Works, Monger) Of (BagGold, BandMisfits) Loan (Moneylender, Loan) (0)
Copper (*, smith) Smith (*, copper) Estate (*, Overgrown) Venture (*, Adventurer) Hunting (Party, Grounds) Post (Out, Trading)
Grounds (Hunting, Fair)
115 + 17 = 132
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One questionable one that I came up with that's not on the list:
Land (Farm, Isle)
Yeah, I'm not sure about that. I guess the existence of the word isle makes it more likely that island contains the morpheme land; I didn't put it on the list because I thought it was kind of ambiguous, but it's certainly reasonable.
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Counting free morphemes is going a bit too far on the crazy scale, I think. How about actual words as printed?
There is no "too far" on the crazy scale.
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it?
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Counting free morphemes is going a bit too far on the crazy scale, I think. How about actual words as printed?
There is no "too far" on the crazy scale.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rNfXdHJ6Knc#t=35s