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Dominion => Rules Questions => Topic started by: theory on June 08, 2012, 09:51:03 am

Title: Discarding 1 card to an opponent's Vault
Post by: theory on June 08, 2012, 09:51:03 am
Here is a truly stupid rules question, appropriately enough inspired by a Puzzles and Challenges post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=2826.msg47989#msg47989).

Vault says: "Each other player may discard 2 cards. If he does, he draws a card." 

Suppose I have only 1 card in hand, and my opponent plays Vault.  May I discard just 1 card?  If so, would I not draw a card?

I suspect the answer is yes and yes, and it is a very interesting interaction between the "you may" and "if you do" clauses.
Title: Re: Discarding 1 card to an opponent's Vault
Post by: Thisisnotasmile on June 08, 2012, 09:55:29 am
I also suspect yes and yes. I would suggest trying it on Iso and seeing what happens there, but as it's not working I had to result to normal cards. I discarded one and then I had to check the rules to find out if I should draw a card. I got bored of paper and cardboard and gave up. Stupid lack of IRL algorithms telling me what to do :(
Title: Re: Discarding 1 card to an opponent's Vault
Post by: Thisisnotasmile on June 08, 2012, 09:59:05 am
And now I actually have checked the Prosperity rulebook, the Vault FAQ clears this up:

Quote
If one of the other players has just one card, he can
choose to discard it, but will not draw a card.

So there you go.
Title: Re: Discarding 1 card to an opponent's Vault
Post by: Kahryl on June 08, 2012, 11:22:29 am
This is consistent with Trading Post's rules too (other than the "may" part)
Title: Re: Discarding 1 card to an opponent's Vault
Post by: Nakamura on June 11, 2012, 07:13:10 pm
Great, so if he plays Vault after he tortured me twice, I can discard the one victory card left in my hand (I don't know why I kept the victory card in my hand) before my opponent plays his Bureaucrat.
Title: Re: Discarding 1 card to an opponent's Vault
Post by: Grujah on June 11, 2012, 08:25:13 pm
Great, so if he plays Vault after he tortured me twice, I can discard the one victory card left in my hand (I don't know why I kept the victory card in my hand) before my opponent plays his Bureaucrat.

You had only Victory Cards!
Or, you had an Estate and 4 copper and he played 4 Cutpurses!
Title: Re: Discarding 1 card to an opponent's Vault
Post by: Markov Chain on June 12, 2012, 09:21:53 pm
Great, so if he plays Vault after he tortured me twice, I can discard the one victory card left in my hand (I don't know why I kept the victory card in my hand) before my opponent plays his Bureaucrat.

Or, more important, before someone else plays a Masquerade, forcing you to pass your Province to someone else...
Title: Re: Discarding 1 card to an opponent's Vault
Post by: randomdragoon on June 18, 2012, 12:57:26 am
If a player has only one card in hand, and chooses to discard 2 cards, he does as much as possible (discard 1 card). Then the game asks, "Did he discard 2 cards?" The answer is no, so he doesn't get to draw a card.

The main point is that the phrase "If you do" means "If you performed the action" not "If you made the choice to perform the action"
Title: Re: Discarding 1 card to an opponent's Vault
Post by: Jorbles on June 19, 2012, 06:16:25 pm
Great, so if he plays Vault after he tortured me twice, I can discard the one victory card left in my hand (I don't know why I kept the victory card in my hand) before my opponent plays his Bureaucrat.

Especially great if you start your hand with 5 Tunnels.