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Miscellaneous => Forum Games => Mafia Game Threads => Topic started by: Archetype on November 09, 2015, 06:21:24 pm
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RMM29: Board Game Mafia
Mods: Archetype, XerxesPraelor
Signups:
1. gkrieg13
2. pingpongsam
3. Awaclus Killed N1. He was Acquire, the Thieving Component Cop
4. Iguanaiguana A Drowned Kernel Lynched D3. He was Scrabble, the Encrypting Jack of All Trades
5. RoadRunner7671 Killed N2. He was 7 Wonders, the Amnesiac Watcher
6. Witherweaver Lynched D2. He was Settlers of Catan, the Diverting Priest/Trading Traitor
7. chairs SirMartin
8. Hydrad
9. silverspawn
10. EgorK
11. Teproc
12. ashersky
13. Haddock Killed N3. He was Clue, the Obfuscating 3-shot Bookie
14. Ghacob Lynched D1. He was Dead of Winter, the Sidekick Miller.
Tag-ers
Scotty, 2.7, Joseph, faust
Checkpoints:
The Golden Rule:
Please remember that this is a game and your main objective is to have fun! Be considerate of each other, don’t get personal, and enjoy the game.
Please read The Civility Pledge (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7695.0) before signing up for any mafia game on this site. If you have not /pledged there, you cannot play.
Excessive personal attacks or uncivil behavior may be dealt with by modifiers or modkills.
Game Summary:
Mafia is a social deduction game. There is an "informed minority" (the mafia) and an "uninformed majority" (the town). The mafia know who each other are, and are trying to be the only people left alive. The town doesn't know who anybody else is, and are trying to find and lynch all of the mafia. The mafia, to make sure the town doesn't know who they are, must pretend to be town to win. The mafia usually can kill at night, to help them in being the only ones left alive.
1. General Gameplay and Etiquette:
1. You may not quote information (either real or fabricated) from any source other than the thread you are posting in. This means no quotes from PMs and no quotes from QTs in the main thread or in another QT. Paraphrasing is acceptable. If you are unsure whether a post is legal, please ask the moderator before posting.
2. There is to be NO personal communication outside of the forum postings unless your role PM specifically allows it. Mafia members may communicate at night and during the confirmation stage.
3. If you have a role with a Night action your choices are due to all mods by the posted deadline (generally 48 hours from Night start during the first few Nights; later Nights may have shorter deadlines. I reserve the right to extend or shorten these deadlines depending on the gamestate/RL events.). In case of multiple submissions, the last valid one before the deadline will be used. If your Night action is mandatory, it will be decided randomly.
4. Roles with Night actions will not be able to submit an action on Night 0 (i.e. during the confirmation stage). Unless otherwise noted.
5. Any player with a Night action may instead submit a “No Action” PM to let the Mods know that you do not want to perform your expected action that Night phase. A player who hasn't submitted an action by the Night deadline will default to "No Action" or a random target if their action is compulsory.
6. As a general rule you should aim for one post every 24 hours, minimum, to keep the game moving.
2. Voting, Deadlines, and Player Death:
1. A simple majority (rounded up) of all living members must agree on one person for a lynch to occur prior to deadline.
2. Once you have reached a simple majority no further unvoting will change someone’s fate. Further votes will also be ignored.
3. Once a player is lynched the game enters twilight until the mods lock the thread; all players including the one who was lynched may continue to post during twilight.
4. This game will have "bankable deadlines." See http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bankable_deadline. The rules for calculating deadlines are as follows:
- All Days are guaranteed to be at least three days and at most twenty-four days long.
- Day 1 is set to last for twenty-four days.
- Day 2 and each subsequent day will last for:
--- three days, PLUS
--- all unused days left over at the end of the previous Day;
--- up to a maximum of twenty-four days.
5. If a majority hasn't been reached by deadline, the day will end in a "No Lynch".
6. Please submit votes as: Vote: PlayerName. Votes will NOT be counted if they are not bold or do not follow this syntax! Obvious abbreviations or nicknames will be counted so long as they are unambiguous.
7. Please submit vote revocations as either Unvote: PlayerName or Unvote. Unvotes are not necessary before changing votes.
8. You may Vote: No Lynch - a simple majority of these vote types are required to send the game to Night phase without a lynch.
9. Once you are killed (either via lynch or night kill) you may no longer post in the game or in quicktopics, besides the supplied spectator topic or your Role QT.. This means that you do not even get a “Bah” post. The dead in this game are silent.
10. If the thread is locked, you may not post. Threads can be locked for various reasons, but no matter what the reason, you may not post. The mod may forget to lock the thread, but if they say it is locked, it is still locked.
11. All self-votes will not be counted.
3. Miscellaneous/Mechanics:
1. Bold, colored text is reserved for the Mods. No invisible/small text is allowed, nor is cryptography.
2. If you have an issue/problem with the game, please PM the Mods privately. Do not post issues/complaints in the game thread. This includes issues with other players and potential /outing.
3. The Mods may make mistakes - please point out any mistakes gently. Mistakes will be corrected where possible, but sometimes mistakes are made that cannot be reversed. These will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game. This includes Vote Counts.
4. Please bold all requests to the Mods so that they don’t get missed.
5. Prods of missing players will be issued upon request after 24 hours of no activity. A prodded player has 48 hours to respond or risks replacement. A player who has been prodded 2 times is subject to replacement under rule 3.10 without further notice.
6. Please do not discuss ongoing games, it can unintentionally affect the other game.
7. Rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, which may include modkill(s) if needed.
8. If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 48-hour period please post a notice to that effect in the thread. Treat this game as a commitment. Be considerate – don’t leave us hanging.
9. Players who discover they are too busy to play in a game or want to leave the game for civility issues are not allowed to officially /out in the thread. A request to /out must only be done via a PM to the moderator. Please do not use this as a manipulation technique. (Note players may continue to threaten to /out or imply that they might as long as it does not include an official request). Requests to /out are final once submitted. There will be no /outing and then /inning back into the game so make sure that when you /out you have thought it through and really want to do it. Players that can't be replaced will simply be mod-killed.
10. If a player wants to /out, they may be replaced by anyone. If a replacement is not found, It is up to the mod's discretion whether to modkill the player or do something else under these circumstances.
Helpful Links:
Wiki Links:
--Main Wiki Page (http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page)
--Newbie Guide (http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Newbie_Guide)
--Frequently Asked Questions (http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=FAQ)
--Commonly Used Abbreviations (http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Commonly_used_abbreviations)
--Mafia Theory (http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Theory)
Forum Links:
--Vacation/Limited Access announcements (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=3621.0)
--Mafia Lingo/Dictionary (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=5315.0)
Setup Information
This is a Board Game Themed Mafia game.
A certain number of players will be Mass Market[/color] games. They have the following factional ability:
Guess Who?: Each night, one Mass Market game may target one player and name an Alignment. If they are that Alignmenr, they will be killed. Otherwise, they will take one less vote to be lynched the following day.
A certain number of players will be Ameritrash[/color] games. Their Win Con is as follows:
You win if, when all Mass Market games have been eliminated, a Euro game is not holding the Wooden Meeple component.
A certain number of players will be Euro[/color] games. Their Win Con is as follows:
You win if, when all Mass Market games have been eliminated, an Ameritrash game is not holding the Pair of Dice component.
There may or may not be additional alignments.
There are a number of Components in this game. These have a specific effect or power given to the person who holds them. When a player dies, all Components they hold will be given to the player who either hammered them (in the case of a lynch) or killed them (in the case of any other form of death). Additionally, Components can be given to other players during the day by posting Give: [Component Name] : [Player Name] within the first 72 hours of each day. Once those first three days have elapsed or a player is lynched, whichever occurs first, those Components will be sent out.
For night action resolution, the GOLDEN RULE will be followed:
Apply actions which modify other actions before the actions they modify.
In the case of a conflict, the Natural Action Resolution Chain will be followed.
1. Copy
2. Hide
3. Bus
4. Block
5. Redirect
6. Protect
7. Miscellaneous
8. Kill
9. Recruit
10. Investigate
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/in!
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What's with all the ambitiously large RMM games?
/in
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/in
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What's with all the ambitiously large RMM games?
/in
21 players is ambitiously large. 16 is mildly optimistic. And mine was only 14!
14! is a lot of players.
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What's with all the ambitiously large RMM games?
/in
21 players is ambitiously large. 16 is mildly optimistic. And mine was only 14!
14! is a lot of players.
Not another one of these posts.
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What's with all the ambitiously large RMM games?
/in
21 players is ambitiously large. 16 is mildly optimistic. And mine was only 14!
14! is a lot of players.
Not another one of these posts.
Would you have preferred a Mine joke?
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What's with all the ambitiously large RMM games?
/in
21 players is ambitiously large. 16 is mildly optimistic. And mine was only 14!
14! is a lot of players.
Not another one of these posts.
Would you have preferred a Mine joke?
Maybe a post that says we all otter be ww or we will be in a moat
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/in
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/in
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Always
/in
for Archetype games!
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Always
/in
for Archetype games!
The only way you would know this was an Archetype game is if you read something!
I know where my vote is going...
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Always
/in
for Archetype games!
The only way you would know this was an Archetype game is if you read something!
I know where my vote is going...
Setup is in the second post; nice try.
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/tag
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/tag. I have some serious V/LA coming up in January, and not really sure how long this game will take to fill. Might be able to play if it starts early enough.
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/in
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/in
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/in
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Tag for now
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/in
if my presence in the game prevents more than 1 other person from desiring to play I will gladly bow out so that this game can more easily be filled.
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/in
if my presence in the game prevents more than 1 other person from desiring to play I will gladly bow out so that this game can more easily be filled.
I don't think anyone dislikes you.
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/out
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/in
if my presence in the game prevents more than 1 other person from desiring to play I will gladly bow out so that this game can more easily be filled.
I don't think anyone dislikes you.
It's not something I wish to burden anyone with publicly.
For anyone concerned with my presence please let me know in PM and I will remove myself from this sign-up.
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/in
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/out
To those who would prefer not interact with me any further:
Whole i do regret having said the things I did, at this point that regret is simply for the unforeseen negative effect it has had on some people exposed to the thread who prior to that point, were amicable and mutually enjoyable forum members.
I don't perceive these persons to be punishing me because I believe they really do feel uncomfortable. In fact, I am fairly certain it directly affected my last game. As such it really isn't fair to other players or even myself to continue in games together if others cannot do so without other thread content coloring the experience.
However, I cannot take responsibility for the inevitable impact this will have on the forum games subforum as I am not the one placing moratoriums and restrictions on it. I am still considering how I should best approach my involvement knowing that others are responding directly to that. For the time being I am willing to stay out of the current RMM sign-up because it does require so many players and I am only one where those who are opposed to playing with me are more.
I do, however, intend to stay on this forum and participate in forum games. I anticipate that there should be ample opportunity to join games where the player requirement is not nearly so high.
While I cannot prevent anyone from taking personal offense to my views I would hope that anyone can see I meant no ill will towards anyone personally. Another member brought to my attention that some discourse between WW and I was perceived as particularly egregious and, in their opinion, worthy of banning from the forum. While I do strongly disagree with this sentiment I did take it upon myself to contact WW in private and let him know no personal offense was intended and to determine if any were registered to which he said there was not.
It is not outside the realm of possibility that my views that are found so reprehensible may change. In fact, I would say that, to some degree, my participation in the thread in question brought some degree of change already although, I doubt to the extent that might be found forgivable. I also maintain the hope that at some point all of us would be able to participate together on these forums regardless of the individual views we have come to hold through our life experiences.
I will say that I have greatly enjoyed our forum games over the years and should we ever meet again in that regard you will remain loved and respected as you were and as you are.
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/out
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guys, if you all out, this game will never fill.
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/out
:(
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And back /in
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And back /in
Maybe in this game I'll try being a lurker!
LOLOLOLOLOL
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And back /in
Maybe in this game I'll try being a lurker!
LOLOLOLOLOL
you have to be in the game in the first place to be able to lurk!
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And back /in
Maybe in this game I'll try being a lurker!
LOLOLOLOLOL
you have to be in the game in the first place to be able to lurk!
How /in teresting
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Woohoo! 6 more spots left.
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Ok, so since it seems that this game isn't filling too quickly, I decided to cut out two spots to make it 14 players instead. I've also added an action resolution sequence to the second post to help you all puzzle things out later in the game. My goal is to get this game started once Harry Potter mafia has ended.
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Ok, so since it seems that this game isn't filling too quickly, I decided to cut out two spots to make it 14 players instead.
mh :c
Can you just cut 2 spots without affecting balance?
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Ok, so since it seems that this game isn't filling too quickly, I decided to cut out two spots to make it 14 players instead.
mh :c
Can you just cut 2 spots without affecting balance?
I mean, the game would work better as a 16 player game. But after consolidating the abilities, I'm more excited for this smaller version.
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Since LOTR mafia is not happening.. ever ? let's do this, it fits my "must care about the theme" criteria for RMM games.
/in
It seems I tend to curse RMM games I sign up for though, so fair warning (there was Lost which... well see my signature, and then LOTR which is in limbo).
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Since LOTR mafia is not happening.. ever ? let's do this, it fits my "must care about the theme" criteria for RMM games.
/in
It seems I tend to curse RMM games I sign up for though, so fair warning (there was Lost which... well see my signature, and then LOTR which is in limbo).
Woo! Awesome to have you. :)
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Well, sorry...
/out
I am going to visit my girlfriend in Japan over christmas, and will not have time for mafia games then. I think it's safe to assume that this game will still be ongoing by then.
If it starts after January 2, I will be back.
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Well, sorry...
/out
I am going to visit my girlfriend in Japan over christmas, and will not have time for mafia games then. I think it's safe to assume that this game will still be ongoing by then.
If it starts after January 2, I will be back.
Darn! Sorry that you won't be able to play, but going to Japan is 10 times better than playing Mafia.
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Well, sorry...
/out
I am going to visit my girlfriend in Japan over christmas, and will not have time for mafia games then. I think it's safe to assume that this game will still be ongoing by then.
If it starts after January 2, I will be back.
Darn! Sorry that you won't be able to play, but going to Japan is 10 times better than playing Mafia.
it is? :'(
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Well, sorry...
/out
I am going to visit my girlfriend in Japan over christmas, and will not have time for mafia games then. I think it's safe to assume that this game will still be ongoing by then.
If it starts after January 2, I will be back.
Darn! Sorry that you won't be able to play, but going to Japan is 10 times better than playing Mafia.
it is? :'(
I'd say about 7.5 times myself, but then I really like mafia.
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/in
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/in
Added!
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/out
Not because of PPS. Well, sorta because of him, but not because he rejoined. Stay in the game PPS.
For some reason, I left the Mafia area. I then learned more about the people of the Forum. I will probably come back in later, but I need some time to think. If the game starts without me before I'm ready, fine.
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/out
Not because of PPS. Well, sorta because of him, but not because he rejoined. Stay in the game PPS.
For some reason, I left the Mafia area. I then learned more about the people of the Forum. I will probably come back in later, but I need some time to think. If the game starts without me before I'm ready, fine.
Oh, ok. Well, I hope you come back.
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I have a random hammer lying around...if only I had a reason to use it.
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I made a mistake. I have time to think it over, and I don't really need to get /in volved in this drama.
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RR, just because I made /outing games and going right back into them cool, doesn't mean you have to do it too 8) 8) 8) :P
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RR, just because I made /outing games and going right back into them cool, doesn't mean you have to do it too 8) 8) 8) :P
But Iguanaiguana, I need all the people on F.DS to see how 'hip' and 'cool' I am!
Consider yourself a trendsetter.
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I made a mistake. I have time to think it over, and I don't really need to get /in volved in this drama.
Ok, great! Awesome to have you back in; if you (or anyone) do feel like outside issues will hinder hinder how you play the game, feel free to let me know and I'll find a replacement.
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Alright, so I've got all the Role QTs made up and ready to send out, I just need three (two if you count ashersky's hammer) more people to sign up!
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I have christmas break coming up. Maybe I'll have some time. Or maybe not. But we'll try it anyway.
/in
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I have christmas break coming up. Maybe I'll have some time. Or maybe not. But we'll try it anyway.
/in
Glad to see you back! Hopefully you won't be too busy enough to play.
In other news, we only need two more people to sign up. Only one more if ash still wants to hammer.
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Okay, the English Nazi in me is currently going through slow and painful torture at this title:
"Starts ASAP as possible!" literally means "Starts as soon as possible as possible!"
It hurts. :'(
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It hurts. :'(
RIP in peace.
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Okay, the English Nazi in me is currently going through slow and painful torture at this title:
"Starts ASAP as possible!" literally means "Starts as soon as possible as possible!"
Yes
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It hurts. :'(
RIP in peace.
rip in (pieces in peace) doesn't have the same problem
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I want this to start sooooooooo bad! Someone join already!
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\in
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Okay, the English Nazi in me is currently going through slow and painful torture at this title:
"Starts ASAP as possible!" literally means "Starts as soon as possible as possible!"
It hurts. :'(
I call these things acronymnyms. Or just nymnyms for short.
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\in
That's mean.
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Okay, I'm getting this post back into people's 'unread posts since my last visit' area. I would also like to point out that this game has been here for about a month and has gotten less than 15 people. I made a poll about Scout's best combo approximately 24 hours ago. Almost 40 people voted in it. And we're talking about Scout. So what's the problem? Is it because this is board game mafia? Are the f.dsers scared of board games? And to any guests who are reading this: make an account! Come play mafia! If you don't have an e-mail, PM me and I can give you an e-mail account to use. Or e-mail me at asherhowarth@hotmail.com, and I can give you an e-mail adress to use.
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I noticed e is tagged. Would he join? Or did I miss the post where he said he was too busy?
EDIT: Never mind I found it.
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I noticed e is tagged. Would he join? Or did I miss the post where he said he was too busy?
EDIT: Never mind I found it.
WW /inned the wrong way, so he might hammer.
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Okay, I'm getting this post back into people's 'unread posts since my last visit' area. I would also like to point out that this game has been here for about a month and has gotten less than 15 people. I made a poll about Scout's best combo approximately 24 hours ago. Almost 40 people voted in it. And we're talking about Scout. So what's the problem? Is it because this is board game mafia? Are the f.dsers scared of board games? And to any guests who are reading this: make an account! Come play mafia! If you don't have an e-mail, PM me and I can give you an e-mail account to use. Or e-mail me at asherhowarth@hotmail.com, and I can give you an e-mail adress to use.
And three other games have filled in the time that this one has been open...
I mean, is it something about setup? Or it being me modding? We've been working on the setup since at least July, so if it's the former, that's sort of how it is. If it's the latter I can step down and let XP take complete control or just let the next RMM game open up.
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It might be because its RMM. I think all the games that filled were normal games. It seems a few people enjoy normals more then RMM.
I highly doubt anyone's refusing to join because your the one modding it.
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The only reason I'd join is because you are modding it.
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I'm sure it's not because you're the mod.
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Is it against the rules to make an alt account to join?!
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Is it against the rules to make an alt account to join?!
Paging Axxle2.
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It's definitely not the mod.
Also, I'm one of those who shuns normal games and loves the RMM.
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Why do people even complain about RMM? They can't all be the best Mafia gamemode ever.
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Why do people even complain about RMM? They can't all be the best Mafia gamemode ever.
I'll allow it.
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I would rather play RMM
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I said I wouldn't do this, but I feel like I'm at the stage now where I can /in.
Things under much more control.
First few irl days I might be a bit patchy though.
Ive never played an rmm game, so should be interesting.
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nice.
okay, now. seriously. someone hammer.
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Wooo! I'm sure you'll enjoy it, Haddock. ;D
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this is still available? I ought to get back /in to the swing of things then.
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Yesssssssssssssss!
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only took a month and a half. we did it!
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this is still available? I ought to get back /in to the swing of things then.
Yes it is! Awesome to see you back, Ghacob.
Thread is now locked unless you are tagging. Role QTs are being sent out now. Please /confirm by posting in them.
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One player just /outted. PM me if you are currently not playing and able to take their spot[/color]
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Ok, all QTs are out. D1 will begin Christmas evening or a sub is found, whichever occurs later. If you want to officially start later, please let me know. Until then, make sure you read the OP(s) as they've had some minor tweaks/commente to accomadate the smaller playercount.
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/sub-in
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/tag
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Ok...I'm sensing a lot of confusion from some players about their Role QTs. If there is anything at all that is isn't clear or that you're uncertain about, don't hesitate to ask me.
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In an old Hasbro warehouse, a group of games gather together to formulate a plan to get their boxes into the homes of families once again.
Monopoly gathers the crowds attention. "As I'm sure you've all been made aware of by now, this last year had the fewest number of sales in over a decade. Things usually pick up around Christmas time, but even this last one was a record low. Copies of Operation, Clue, Scrabble, Sorry, and many other members of our board game families have sat on the shelf of retail stores gathering dust. If we continue on this path, in next few years we'll slowly drift out of remembrance. Something needs to change."
"It's those darn designer games!" One game chimes in from the crowd, "Ever since those games have broken into the mainstream, they've experienced nothing but constant growth. They're the ones taking our audience. Families used to be content with roll and move games - now they're all about "worker placement" or "theme". They've tainted the market!"
The other games cheered in approval.
"They're the problem, not us!"
"They're the ones who've changed!"
Monopoly looked at a tattered poster on the wall. 'SPIEL DE JAHRES' it read in big, block letters. "You know what? You're right". He nodded towards the poster. "One of those designer games has won Game of the Year every year, but we're the classics! We're the shoulders these new games stand on and we deserve the recognition!
"Maybe it's time for a Mass Market game to take the ribbon!"
The crowd of games roared in approval. They were determined that 2016 would be the year of the Mass Market games.
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Day 2 Start!
Not Voting (12): gkrieg13, pingpongsam, iguanaiguana, RoadRunner7671, Witherweaver, chairs, Hydrad, silverspawn, EgorK, Teproc, ashersky, Haddock
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. D2 ends January 26th at 10:05 AM. Bankable time starts Sunday, January 10th at 10:05 AM.
Thread Unlocked.
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Thread Unlocked!
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vote: ww
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Ok so who is willing to kill the mass market people while letting Ameritash have the Pair of Die and Euro holding the wooden maple.
I think it would be hilarious to have a game where no one wins.
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Vote: chairsbecause I looked at the list and decided you were scum.
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Vote: Hydrad for clearly reading the setup.
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Vote: Hydrad for clearly reading the setup.
What If I just made something completely random up and it wasn't to do with the setup at all? How would you know?
Obviously WW has read the setup to know that I read the setup.
Vote: WW
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Vote: Hydrad for clearly reading the setup.
What If I just made something completely random up and it wasn't to do with the setup at all? How would you know?
Obviously WW has read the setup to know that I read the setup.
Vote: WW
Ha.
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vote: iguana.
Merry Christmas!
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Vote: Hydrad for clearly reading the setup.
What If I just made something completely random up and it wasn't to do with the setup at all? How would you know?
Obviously WW has read the setup to know that I read the setup.
Vote: WW
Nicely done.
Also, no. Losing sucks, I want to win !
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Vote: silverspawn
I'm not sure if he's in the game because I didn't read the setup, but he's clearly scum in this game.
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Oh hey, I missed the post with the vote count. Now, not only do I know that silver is scum, I also know that he's in this game!
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Vote: WW
Vote: Hydrad
Vote: Awaclus
Mandatory votes on people who bring up reading setup thing
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Vote: WW
Vote: Hydrad
Vote: Awaclus
Mandatory votes on people who bring up reading setup thing
Sounds legit.
There's been like 6 posts and RR hasn't said anything.
Lurkiest I've ever seen him. Obv!scum, vote: RR
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Vote: silverspawn
I'm not sure if he's in the game because I didn't read the setup, but he's clearly scum in this game.
I'm in every game. vote: Awaclus
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I'm scum in every game. vote: Awaclus
I know.
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Ok so who is willing to kill the mass market people while letting Ameritash have the Pair of Die and Euro holding the wooden maple.
I think it would be hilarious to have a game where no one wins.
On a serious note, let the Euro games hold the dice and the Ameritash games hold the maple, so we both win! That way it can be both of us vs. Mass Market so the town isn't divided.
And WW is scum. Because WW upside down is MM, which is the abbreviation for Mass Market!
Vote: WW
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Vote: WW
Vote: Hydrad
Vote: Awaclus
Mandatory votes on people who bring up reading setup thing
Sounds legit.
There's been like 6 posts and RR hasn't said anything.
Lurkiest I've ever seen him. Obv!scum, vote: RR
I'm sorry! I tried to post right after Hydrad's first post but I have questionable Wifi.
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Feels good to be town.
Vote: Ghacob
Just a basic fear of the unknown vote
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Ok so who is willing to kill the mass market people while letting Ameritash have the Pair of Die and Euro holding the wooden maple.
I think it would be hilarious to have a game where no one wins.
On a serious note, let the Euro games hold the dice and the Ameritash games hold the maple, so we both win! That way it can be both of us vs. Mass Market so the town isn't divided.
And WW is scum. Because WW upside down is MM, which is the abbreviation for Mass Market!
Vote: WW
Doesn't this mean he's the opposite of scum?
PPE yeah who is this ghacob guy? :P
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Ok so who is willing to kill the mass market people while letting Ameritash have the Pair of Die and Euro holding the wooden maple.
I think it would be hilarious to have a game where no one wins.
On a serious note, let the Euro games hold the dice and the Ameritash games hold the maple, so we both win! That way it can be both of us vs. Mass Market so the town isn't divided.
And WW is scum. Because WW upside down is MM, which is the abbreviation for Mass Market!
Vote: WW
Doesn't this mean he's the opposite of scum?
That's what he wants you to think...
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Feels good to be town.
Vote: Ghacob
Just a basic fear of the unknown vote
Your profile picture is dangerously similiar to Ghacob's.
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Ok so who is willing to kill the mass market people while letting Ameritash have the Pair of Die and Euro holding the wooden maple.
I think it would be hilarious to have a game where no one wins.
On a serious note, let the Euro games hold the dice and the Ameritash games hold the maple, so we both win! That way it can be both of us vs. Mass Market so the town isn't divided.
And WW is scum. Because WW upside down is MM, which is the abbreviation for Mass Market!
Vote: WW
Doesn't this mean he's the opposite of scum?
PPE yeah who is this ghacob guy? :P
No, this means he is scum in disguise.
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Well then...
vote: Roadrunner7671 because he cracks under pressure.
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Well then...
vote: Roadrunner7671 because he cracks under pressure.
Two votee? I should claim. When I'm gone, just remember what I said about WW.
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Vote: WW
Vote: Hydrad
Vote: Awaclus
Mandatory votes on people who bring up reading setup thing
Vote: Eogr for bringing up the reading the setup thing.
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I targeted someone last night.
Vote: pingpongsam
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Also I know things no one else could know. Vote: teproc
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I targeted someone last night.
Vote: pingpongsam
Really?
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I targeted someone last night.
Vote: pingpongsam
Really?
Really.
I say we mass claim.
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Darn it, I liked RVS.
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Cool, PPS is here. And Ashersky, and Roadrunner. It's a contest for who will self vote themselves the most!
I targeted someone last night.
Vote: pingpongsam
Really?
Really.
I say we mass claim.
You go first.
Also, you're verifying PPS?
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Vote Count 1.1
Teproc (1): pingpongsam
EgorK (1): Witherweaver
Roadrunner7671 (2): chairs
Ghacob (1): iguanaigunana
Witherweaver (3): Roadrunner7671, Hydrad, gkrieg
Awaclus (2): silverspawn, EgorK
silverspawn (1): Awaclus
iguanaiguana (1): Haddock
Not Voting (3): Teproc, ashersky, Ghacob
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. D1 ends Tuesday 19th at 1:20 AM. Bankable time starts Monday, December 28th at 1:20 AM.
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Cool, PPS is here. And Ashersky, and Roadrunner. It's a contest for who will self vote themselves the most!
I targeted someone last night.
Vote: pingpongsam
Really?
Really.
I say we mass claim.
You go first.
Also, you're verifying PPS?
I am not saying he targeted me, but I'm saying I believe he could do something last night.
I am Cosmic Encounter, an Ameritrash Game.
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I think everyone should claim game and faction.
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I don't think we should claim factions. It makes easier for the mass markets to kill us and I only see minor benefits for the euros and ameritrashes.
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And by extension, we shouldn't claim games either because it's probably pretty obvious if a game is euro or ameritrash.
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I was only going to claim my powerful role part, not flavor name or Euro/Amatraish.
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vote: Awaclus
That was easy.
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I'm sorry, I butchered the spelling of Ameritrash.
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Listen, I've found a way to win with a mass alignment claim (I don't even care about your games). If I figured it out, scum probably did, too, and will fight the mass alignment claim.
I hate breaking setups, but that's part of how setups work. If you continue to fight me, we should all just lynch you.
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vote: ashersky
This is easy: if ashersky is town, his idea is a good one and we should follow it; if he's lying scum, his idea is a bad one and we should not follow it
Alternatively, if you'd like to defend your idea, you're welcome to
@People: What? I'm a person
PPE: ash, are you able to discuss how it can be broken?
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Listen, I've found a way to win with a mass alignment claim (I don't even care about your games). If I figured it out, scum probably did, too, and will fight the mass alignment claim.
I hate breaking setups, but that's part of how setups work. If you continue to fight me, we should all just lynch you.
Care to share how to win?
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Listen, I've found a way to win with a mass alignment claim (I don't even care about your games). If I figured it out, scum probably did, too, and will fight the mass alignment claim.
I hate breaking setups, but that's part of how setups work. If you continue to fight me, we should all just lynch you.
Sounds legit.
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Listen, I've found a way to win with a mass alignment claim (I don't even care about your games). If I figured it out, scum probably did, too, and will fight the mass alignment claim.
I hate breaking setups, but that's part of how setups work. If you continue to fight me, we should all just lynch you.
Sounds legit.
I hope this is sarcasm.
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Listen, I've found a way to win with a mass alignment claim (I don't even care about your games). If I figured it out, scum probably did, too, and will fight the mass alignment claim.
I hate breaking setups, but that's part of how setups work. If you continue to fight me, we should all just lynch you.
Is there a reason not to explain it now?
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Listen, I've found a way to win with a mass alignment claim (I don't even care about your games). If I figured it out, scum probably did, too, and will fight the mass alignment claim.
I hate breaking setups, but that's part of how setups work. If you continue to fight me, we should all just lynch you.
Sounds legit.
I hope this is sarcasm.
It shouldn't be. Surely Ash is being sincere. Breaking setups is his thing, and he'd do it as town or scum.
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I don't support a flavor claim. It just lets scum have a kill every night. I'm welcome to discuss it though
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Listen, I've found a way to win with a mass alignment claim (I don't even care about your games). If I figured it out, scum probably did, too, and will fight the mass alignment claim.
I hate breaking setups, but that's part of how setups work. If you continue to fight me, we should all just lynch you.
Is there a reason not to explain it now?
Yes.
Basically, once all players have claimed their alignment, we'll have three groups, right? We'll have the honest Euros, the honest Ameritrash, and the liars. I need those three groups to form on their own. Any more explanations and scum can try to game this.
I don't support a flavor claim. It just lets scum have a kill every night. I'm welcome to discuss it though
It doesn't matter. In fact, it's helpful to ensure scum can (think they can) kill every night.
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vote: ashersky
This is easy: if ashersky is town, his idea is a good one and we should follow it; if he's lying scum, his idea is a bad one and we should not follow it
We could very well lynch me today if that helps everyone, but it needs to be after we all claim our alignments and I break the setup and win the game for us.
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Whatever. I'm in.
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Whatever. I'm in.
Alignment?
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Whatever. I'm in.
Alignment?
I will claim after two more people say they're in. They don't have to claim, they just have to be willing to go along with it.
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Any more explanations and scum can try to game this.
Wasn't scum supposed to have figured it out already?
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Well, this is a turnup.
I think I could probably go along with this. Trouble is its only any good if EVERYONE is willing to claim. And I dont see that happening, its a controversial enough idea that plenty of people will oppose it. And if anyone doesnt claim it breaks. autolynching the nonclaimers presumably breaks whatever plan ash has come up with.
The other thing is the possibility of third (well, fourth) parties, which the setup doesnt explicitly exclude. Ash, does your plan take this into account?
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My opinion: people should trust Ash more than most do according to the current meta of the site. The amount that he gets mislynched is unacceptable considering the high level at which he plays. People take Ash's moves for granted because he doesn't laboriously explain them. So I support this idea until someone can explain to me scum!Ash's motivation for proposing this. I highly doubt he is suggesting it just to get everyone to state their alignment for easier kills.
That said, I am not claiming yet. I want to hear from others first. Count me down as willing to claim.
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Interesting.
I'm open for this plan. One condition: if it turns out that you don't really have anything, we'll have to assume that you're scum deceiving us and have to lynch you. Is that okay/do you promise that you have a solid plan that will really benefit us?
If yes, I'm in.
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So I support this idea until someone can explain to me scum!Ash's motivation for proposing this. I highly doubt he is suggesting it just to get everyone to state their alignment for easier kills.
what you say above / town cred / braking the setup because he can
All three are totally possible motivations. I don't think think this should give ash town cred
But the plan could be good anyway.
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So I support this idea until someone can explain to me scum!Ash's motivation for proposing this. I highly doubt he is suggesting it just to get everyone to state their alignment for easier kills.
what you say above / town cred / braking the setup because he can
All three are totally possible motivations. I don't think think this should give ash town cred
But the plan could be good anyway.
I concede that option 2/3 are possible. I just don't understand why most people who play with Ash assume he is scum so often. I mean, I did it in RMM28, but that was before I had any real experience with how he plays.
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So I support this idea until someone can explain to me scum!Ash's motivation for proposing this. I highly doubt he is suggesting it just to get everyone to state their alignment for easier kills.
what you say above / town cred / braking the setup because he can
All three are totally possible motivations. I don't think think this should give ash town cred
But the plan could be good anyway.
I concede that option 2/3 are possible. I just don't understand why most people who play with Ash assume he is scum so often. I mean, I did it in RMM28, but that was before I had any real experience with how he plays.
well, I don't assume he is scum. I assume he's town, just like I assume everyone else is town.
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@iguana : Take a look at Village Mafia (it's a quick read), you'll understand why a super pro-town plan isn't a town!tell for ash... and obviously who knows how good this plan is. Need to reread the setup because there are things I'm not getting it seems.
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It's not a scum tell either probably.
Clearly I'm thick because I have no idea what this plan of ash's is...
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I do agree ash gets mislynched too much though. People just don't put enough weight on meta.
I'm undecided on the plan.Need to think about it some more.
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It's not a scum tell either probably.
Clearly I'm thick because I have no idea what this plan of ash's is...
Nah, you're good.
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@iguana : Take a look at Village Mafia (it's a quick read), you'll understand why a super pro-town plan isn't a town!tell for ash... and obviously who knows how good this plan is. Need to reread the setup because there are things I'm not getting it seems.
To clarify, I don't at all think its a town tell. It just bothers me that some seem to be treating it as a scum tell.
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My opinion: people should trust Ash more than most do according to the current meta of the site. The amount that he gets mislynched is unacceptable considering the high level at which he plays. People take Ash's moves for granted because he doesn't laboriously explain them. So I support this idea until someone can explain to me scum!Ash's motivation for proposing this. I highly doubt he is suggesting it just to get everyone to state their alignment for easier kills.
That said, I am not claiming yet. I want to hear from others first. Count me down as willing to claim.
I agree.
Vote: Iguana
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Question: is this something that we can discern as well, or is there something special about you or your powers that allows you to break the game?
Don't answer it if the answer would be too telling I guess
I'm in.
If nothing else, this will be interesting
Also, I can't see knowing which side of town town is on would help scum, other than kingmaking I guess? And also guaranteeing kills each night, but that's not too terrible.
I feel as if I shouldn't trust ashersky from his last scum game I was in, but that's unreasonable
I also feel as if lynching ashersky post-break game is nearly required in order to guarantee trust. That said, maybe I'm wrong
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Question: is this something that we can discern as well, or is there something special about you or your powers that allows you to break the game?
Don't answer it if the answer would be too telling I guess
I'm in.
If nothing else, this will be interesting
Also, I can't see knowing which side of town town is on would help scum, other than kingmaking I guess? And also guaranteeing kills each night, but that's not too terrible.
I feel as if I shouldn't trust ashersky from his last scum game I was in, but that's unreasonable
I also feel as if lynching ashersky post-break game is nearly required in order to guarantee trust. That said, maybe I'm wrong
Wow, how much hedging can you get?
I'm in.
I believe that's 2, RR.
I'll claim not after him, but after the person after him.
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Yep, that's two.
I am 7 Wonders, a Euro Game.
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Darn it, if no one else claims I'm going to get night killed!
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Or maybe I lied! Oooohhhhh
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Or maybe I lied! Oooohhhhh
I don't think you lied.
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Well, this is a turnup.
I think I could probably go along with this. Trouble is its only any good if EVERYONE is willing to claim. And I dont see that happening, its a controversial enough idea that plenty of people will oppose it. And if anyone doesnt claim it breaks. autolynching the nonclaimers presumably breaks whatever plan ash has come up with.
The other thing is the possibility of third (well, fourth) parties, which the setup doesnt explicitly exclude. Ash, does your plan take this into account?
Fourth party does not affect my plan.
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Interesting.
I'm open for this plan. One condition: if it turns out that you don't really have anything, we'll have to assume that you're scum deceiving us and have to lynch you. Is that okay/do you promise that you have a solid plan that will really benefit us?
If yes, I'm in.
I can commit to being first player lynched no matter what if people want.
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Question: is this something that we can discern as well, or is there something special about you or your powers that allows you to break the game?
Don't answer it if the answer would be too telling I guess
I'm in.
If nothing else, this will be interesting
Also, I can't see knowing which side of town town is on would help scum, other than kingmaking I guess? And also guaranteeing kills each night, but that's not too terrible.
I feel as if I shouldn't trust ashersky from his last scum game I was in, but that's unreasonable
I also feel as if lynching ashersky post-break game is nearly required in order to guarantee trust. That said, maybe I'm wrong
Anyone could come up with this plan (well, anyone who really reads and thinks about the setup). This is not related to powers.
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Also, we have one of each town faction claimed now. I want everyone else (minus 3) to agree before any more claims are made.
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I am fine with this as long as everyone is fine with it.
Still don't have any idea what you're talking about though.
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okay, /in
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Anyone could come up with this plan (well, anyone who really reads and thinks about the setup). This is not related to powers.
Then why won't you explain it?
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I can see how both Ameritrash and Euros can win simultaneously, assuming you can wean out the mass market games.
I'm... not sure I see the breaking strategy though.
Tentatively against claiming, since I'm not seeing the broken strategy that makes it preferable.
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My opinion: people should trust Ash more than most do according to the current meta of the site. The amount that he gets mislynched is unacceptable considering the high level at which he plays. People take Ash's moves for granted because he doesn't laboriously explain them. So I support this idea until someone can explain to me scum!Ash's motivation for proposing this. I highly doubt he is suggesting it just to get everyone to state their alignment for easier kills.
That said, I am not claiming yet. I want to hear from others first. Count me down as willing to claim.
I agree.
Vote: Iguana
You must have missed this!
Feels good to be town.
I'm town.
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Still thinking on ash's proposal
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I can see how both Ameritrash and Euros can win simultaneously, assuming you can wean out the mass market games.
I'm... not sure I see the breaking strategy though.
Tentatively against claiming, since I'm not seeing the broken strategy that makes it preferable.
Ameritrash and Eurogames cannot win together, not unless I'm misunderstanding something. I asked what would happen if
a) Mass Market are all dead
b) AMeritrash hold the Pair of Dice
c) Eurogames hold the Wooden Meeple
In that case, all those factions lose.
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I can see how both Ameritrash and Euros can win simultaneously, assuming you can wean out the mass market games.
I'm... not sure I see the breaking strategy though.
Tentatively against claiming, since I'm not seeing the broken strategy that makes it preferable.
You need the eurogames to not hold the wooden meeple and the ameritrash games to not hold the dice if you want both factions to win I think.
Ameritrash and Eurogames cannot win together, not unless I'm misunderstanding something. I asked what would happen if
a) Mass Market are all dead
b) AMeritrash hold the Pair of Dice
c) Eurogames hold the Wooden Meeple
In that case, all those factions lose.
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I can see how both Ameritrash and Euros can win simultaneously, assuming you can wean out the mass market games.
I'm... not sure I see the breaking strategy though.
Tentatively against claiming, since I'm not seeing the broken strategy that makes it preferable.
Ameritrash and Eurogames cannot win together, not unless I'm misunderstanding something. I asked what would happen if
a) Mass Market are all dead
b) AMeritrash hold the Pair of Dice
c) Eurogames hold the Wooden Meeple
In that case, all those factions lose.
You need the eurogames to not hold the wooden meeple and the ameritrash games to not hold the dice if you want both factions to win I think.
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Right, obviously.
Has someone asked that ? People should, I'm going to anyway.
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Ok, so we do both win.
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Ok, so we do both win.
Wait. So, all we have to do is to give our items to scum right before we get rid of the last one?
Okay, I guess that might actually be really difficult. But if it's doable it works?
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Simpler : have each item in the opposing faction when the last scum dies.
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We could also just give the meeple to an ameritrash and the dice to a euro.
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Yeah, that.
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We could also just give the meeple to an ameritrash and the dice to a euro.
Didn't I suggest this forever ago?
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We could also just give the meeple to an ameritrash and the dice to a euro.
Didn't I suggest this forever ago?
You're a visionary.
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We could also just give the meeple to an ameritrash and the dice to a euro.
Didn't I suggest this forever ago?
You're a visionary.
And no one takes me seriously.
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As is often the case with visionaries. Cassandra's curse and all that.
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Okay, we all seem on board besides Chairs. Why don't we start claiming?
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I'm not specifically on board. I'm not specifically against either. I'm still figuring it out.
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I'm not specifically on board. I'm not specifically against either. I'm still figuring it out.
That's not good. The more time we give scum to figure it out, the worse it gets. We have to do this on D1 (I think).
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I'm not specifically on board. I'm not specifically against either. I'm still figuring it out.
That's not good. The more time we give scum to figure it out, the worse it gets. We have to do this on D1 (I think).
I agree the quicker we decide, the better, but I'm not ready to decide yet. If the rest of town is, I'll go along, but I don't think that's the case right now.
SO far I only see downside => allowing scum to kill at will. ash is promising upside, but also saying it should be obvious to scum and refusing to explain it. So... I don't know.
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not obvious, but determinable by anyone.
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I'll go along with it.
Ash are you proposing a full claim or just flavor/alignment?
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I refuse to cooperate with the plan unless ash explains it (regardless of his alignment if he flips before he explains it).
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There is a bit of a contradiction in the whole proposal
- ash said the setup is breakable. This should mean scum is powerless against the plan
- ash doesn't want to claim the plan. This implies that scum is not powerless if they play right
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There is a bit of a contradiction in the whole proposal
- ash said the setup is breakable. This should mean scum is powerless against the plan
- ash doesn't want to claim the plan. This implies that scum is not powerless if they play right
This.
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spitballing how scum!ash could "break" the game:
there may be far more scum than expected this game, to make up for what would usually be a 50/50 kill, guaranteeing a nightly kill would be worth far more than his own death
with limited bankable deadlines, this whole discussion could be a designed diversion to run down the clock
can somehow kingmake or something, wouldn't really help
how could notscum!ash still not be trustworthy:
breaking the game for only his own half of town somehow, doesn't seem reasonable
In other news ((!!read the setup!! obvs scum!!)), components go to the killer or hammerer of the previous owner. Implications of that:
Not well thought out Opinion: owners of the gamewinning components should not claim that they own them until lylo/near the end of the game as they could otherwise be targeted by scum and force prisoner's dillemma situations
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vote: Ghacob
welcome back though!
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vote: egor
Just to motivate you a bit. I know you're still thinking, but we need at least preliminary conclusions from everyone here.
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There is a bit of a contradiction in the whole proposal
- ash said the setup is breakable. This should mean scum is powerless against the plan
- ash doesn't want to claim the plan. This implies that scum is not powerless if they play right
Good point.
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Another point I need to clarify...
I'm treating both Euro and Ameritrash as town and Mass Market as scum. I am NOT differentiating between Euro and Ameritrash, even though there is the small win con difference.
The main win con is kill mafia (MM). There's the little extra thing, which is game-able (pun intended). But if you re-read those win cons, man, they're the same. Catch scum.
Is there an SK or some such? Dunno, but nights will help us with that. I want, vehemently, to destroy the players who have the red win con. I found a way to do that.
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So, if you are blue or green, and DO NOT AGREE that winning with the other color is the best outcome, you will not like my plan and you will sabotage it and scum will win.
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In case that's not clear enough: my plan results in a shared win for blue and green ONLY. It was not conceived to allow only blue OR green to win, and I refuse to let it be used that way.
I'd rather lose to red.
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Ok I'll support the mass alignment claim.
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Basically I agree if it's a free win. But I have a feeling it's only going to help us out a bit but not be completely game winning. I'm neutral though
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Any plan should keep in mind that, if the thread title pattern continues, after tomorrow we'll have four consecutive nights.
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Any plan should keep in mind that, if the thread title pattern continues, after tomorrow we'll have four consecutive nights.
1, 2, 6...
Ha.
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Ah, I just noticed ash would not be able to self-hammer. Also, I am against the plan, unless I'll figure it out myself. If all but 3 people will be in favor I'll tag along though
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Attempt at categorization in reverse chronological order, don't think this is too terribly relevent except for group four, for reasons mentioned below
For:
gkrieg
WW
RR
iguana
Haddock
me
ash
Neutral:
Hydrad
Teproc
SS
Against:
Egor
Awa
chairs
This isn't a perfect representation as people in all three groups have said something along the lines of "I'll go along if everyone else does" and I put them in boxes more on the spin they put on it
that all said...
Has said nothing:
PPS
vote: PPS
What do you think of this?
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I'm more on the neutral end. I would do it, but I'm not trying to convince other people to do so. I currently don't see the point. I do trust ash though so I would go along with it.
It's interesting pps has been pretty quiet
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Vote Count 1.2
Teproc (1): pingpongsam
Roadrunner7671 (1): chairs
Ghacob (2): iguanaigunana, silverspawn
Witherweaver (3): Roadrunner7671, Hydrad, gkrieg
Awaclus (2): EgorK, Ashersky
silverspawn (1): Awaclus
iguanaiguana (1): Witherweaver
Pingpongsam (1): Ghacob
EgorK (1): Haddock
Not Voting (1): Teproc
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. D1 ends Tuesday 19th at 1:20 AM. Bankable time starts Monday, December 28th at 1:20 AM.
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I'm actually for it
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well that looks like over half. so is it hammered?
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Any plan should keep in mind that, if the thread title pattern continues, after tomorrow we'll have four consecutive nights.
1, 2, 6...
Ha.
Thanks, it's not funnier. Not that it needed it, being such a great joke and all.
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Dammit. That should say, "now funnier".
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I am more inclined to play the game as designed. Teproc is scum which is why I am voting him and why he remains ambiguous on this so called plan.
The fact that ash would rather lynch non participants to the plan suggests the plan is so robust it can withstand early mislynching. A plan that robust would be so obvious that we would all see it and Archetype and Xerxes would have patched it.
If the plan is so fabulous then it should also withstand a few non mass market players not revealing their alignment early on.
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Vote: Teproc
Such an outrageous claim so early in the day isn't going to come from scum.
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In other words, if we are going to,lynch players who aren't just going straight to a probably deeply flawed plan in order to circumvent just playing out the design then I have no interest in actually playing... feel free to mislynch me first because the plan is so awesome you can just mislynch with abandon and suffer no real consequences.
Everyone just ignore that the big scum weakness is not being able to kill without knowing our alignments and the plan involves divulging our alignments and must therefore be the obvious best play.
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I think it was obvious that I did one of three things:
1. Lied about being Euro
2. Realized I couldn't be NKed/couldn't be NKed easily
3. I didn't care if I got NKed.
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Vote: Teproc
Such an outrageous claim so early in the day isn't going to come from scum.
This reads almost like you haven't played a game with scum!PPS.
Oh wait.
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Vote: Teproc
Such an outrageous claim so early in the day isn't going to come from scum.
This reads almost like you haven't played a game with scum!PPS.
Oh wait.
I have. And he gave us WW's result. And WW was scum. And we didn't lynch WW because we were extra awful.
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Vote: Teproc
Such an outrageous claim so early in the day isn't going to come from scum.
This reads almost like you haven't played a game with scum!PPS.
Oh wait.
Um, have you ? Crazy!pps is town!pps.
ALso pps wasn't actually claimig anything there, he's saying I'm scum because I'm hedgy.
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Vote: Teproc
Such an outrageous claim so early in the day isn't going to come from scum.
This reads almost like you haven't played a game with scum!PPS.
Oh wait.
And we can always lynch PPS if we mislynch Teproc.
PPE
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Vote: Teproc
Such an outrageous claim so early in the day isn't going to come from scum.
This reads almost like you haven't played a game with scum!PPS.
Oh wait.
In his last scum game, PPS started by claiming a posting restriction and ended by claiming copping absorbent governer. Seems that our experiences with him differ.
Um, have you ? Crazy!pps is town!pps.
ALso pps wasn't actually claimig anything there, he's saying I'm scum because I'm hedgy.
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Vote: Teproc
Such an outrageous claim so early in the day isn't going to come from scum.
This reads almost like you haven't played a game with scum!PPS.
Oh wait.
Um, have you ? Crazy!pps is town!pps.
ALso pps wasn't actually claimig anything there, he's saying I'm scum because I'm hedgy.
In his last scum game, PPS started by claiming a posting restriction and ended by claiming copping absorbent governer. Seems that our experiences with him differ.
*pulled my text from the quote.
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Okay, I change my mind. Not following the plan until it is explained.
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Right, well I guess crazy!pps is pps!pps. He used to be crazy as town and calculated as scum, but that was a long time ago.
I don't believe I've played a game with pps actually, just read a few. Oh wait ASoIaF, he was scum in that, can't remember what he did but he got lynched day 1.
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^ *changed
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So, hold on.
Are we doing the massclaim or not?
We seem to have gone off track.
Im not epically bothered either way, im not sure that this plan can be as amazing as was originally claimed but I also dont think the downside is too huge.
Oh, and unvote.
Can anyone else see ash inventing an imaginary plan to gauge reactions? I can kinda see that.
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Ive not played with pps but that kinda craziness doesnt seem like an alignment tell at all, taken on its own. Happy to see it as towny if thats his meta.
If chairs has said anything I dont remember it. vote: chairs
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Other than making a strong unsubstantiated claim on teproc's alignment I believe the remainder of my posts, specifically concerning ashersky's plan to be quite sober. Taking the audacious play and conflating it with the rest of my game is an attempt to discredit me.
Also copping absorbent governor was an amazing claim with one huge flaw that everyone still might have overlooked if we had just killed WW like I said from the beginning because only WW brought up the oversight.
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Ashersky always has a plan. Even if claiming a plan to gauge reactions is the plan. I always have a plan too, I just make it up as I go along, though. This approach tends to work beautifully or fail catastrophically. Right now, things are going according to plan...
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Other than making a strong unsubstantiated claim on teproc's alignment I believe the remainder of my posts, specifically concerning ashersky's plan to be quite sober.
yeah, I think that too.
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Here's a plan. Let's lynch teproc. If I'm wrong we can lynch me. Then we'll be at D3 with 2 mislynches and ashersky's plan will seem like a good idea.
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basically, there are two possibilities (this is very similar to what I said earlier)
- the plan is actually broken and scum can not defend themselves -> ash should explain it before we do it
- the plan is not actually broken and scum can defend themselves -> we should not do it at all
in neither case is doing it blindly good.
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I mean we could do me first so when I flip town y'all just go and kill teproc but I can never count on you people to do this. So it has to be him first.
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I mean we could do me first so when I flip town y'all just go and kill teproc but I can never count on you people to do this. So it has to be him first.
no-one is going to accept this without having any evidence against teproc.
if you were someone else, maybe your word would be enough. But given that you have a reputation for being crazy, it's not.
the same is actually true for ash and his plan.
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Is like for us all to consider the possibility that scum was provided fake claims and consider what implications that has with regards not only to ashersky's plan but also for his motivations for having the plan to begin with.
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I mean we could do me first so when I flip town y'all just go and kill teproc but I can never count on you people to do this. So it has to be him first.
no-one is going to accept this without having any evidence against teproc.
if you were someone else, maybe your word would be enough. But given that you have a reputation for being crazy, it's not.
the same is actually true for ash and his plan.
One day you are all going to look back and suddenly see the humor that was flying over your heads for so long.
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One day you are all going to look back and suddenly see the humor that was flying over your heads for so long.
?
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Scum doesn't really need fakeclaims here, coming up with euros and ameritrash games isn't too hard. I guess you canbe counterclaimed depending on when you do it, but obviously we're not expecting to actully out scum here. Which is why I'm undecided.
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Are we doing the massclaim or not?
No.
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Scum doesn't really need fakeclaims here, coming up with euros and ameritrash games isn't too hard. I guess you canbe counterclaimed depending on when you do it, but obviously we're not expecting to actully out scum here. Which is why I'm undecided.
You mean except for accidentally claiming a game already assigned to the non scum players?
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Scum doesn't really need fakeclaims here, coming up with euros and ameritrash games isn't too hard. I guess you canbe counterclaimed depending on when you do it, but obviously we're not expecting to actully out scum here. Which is why I'm undecided.
You mean except for accidentally claiming a game already assigned to the non scum players?
I can only assume you stopped at the first sentence of my post.
There are many games ofboth types out here. Not too likely to happen.
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I'd say a provided fake claim makes sense if there's a lot of crazy powers floating around which I bet there are. If ashersky is scum then leveraging the fake claim makes sense as a plan that he can initiate with zero fear of guessing badly. With at least 3 factions and likely mechanics to cause interaction I think fake claims are well within reason.
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I'd say a provided fake claim makes sense if there's a lot of crazy powers floating around which I bet there are. If ashersky is scum then leveraging the fake claim makes sense as a plan that he can initiate with zero fear of guessing badly. With at least 3 factions and likely mechanics to cause interaction I think fake claims are well within reason.
Sure, fakeclaims are possible. If the goal of the plan is to catch scum through flavor, it is a terrible plan, I thought that was obvious.
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I'd say a provided fake claim makes sense if there's a lot of crazy powers floating around which I bet there are. If ashersky is scum then leveraging the fake claim makes sense as a plan that he can initiate with zero fear of guessing badly. With at least 3 factions and likely mechanics to cause interaction I think fake claims are well within reason.
Sure, fakeclaims are possible. If the goal of the plan is to catch scum through flavor, it is a terrible plan, I thought that was obvious.
I am insinuating the goal of the plan is to make easy night kills.
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Again stating the obvious. THis is plainly the risk of going through with it... which is why people are opposing it. Like, this has literally been said several times already.
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The core problem is the contradiction siler pointed out above and ash refuses to adress. As long as ash doesn't, the plan doesn't make sense.
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Again stating the obvious. THis is plainly the risk of going through with it... which is why people are opposing it. Like, this has literally been said several times already.
I'm pretty sure I am the first and only mention of fake claims being provided. My insinuation is not limited to the plan makes easy night kills but that there is a potentially good explanation for where ashersky came up with this plan to begin with. I have yet to see anything but baseless assertion that his plan has any merit at all. I am suspicious of anyone who was for it at the outset since they could easily be the scum team trying to sell the plan.
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I don't think scum would immediately agree. I think they're more likely to not say anything at first and see what the common reaction is.
I do think contradicting it immediately is towny though.
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This is what I hate about theory talk. It starts out fine, then it starts becoming "X disagrees with me, must be scum".
I think the plan is a no-go as long as ash doesn't say more about it in some fashion.
@silver : I suppose I agree immediate, strong contradiction is townie. Did we have any of that ?
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@silver : I suppose I agree immediate, strong contradiction is townie. Did we have any of that ?
We had me.
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@silver : I suppose I agree immediate, strong contradiction is townie. Did we have any of that ?
We had me.
Sure. You don't get town points though, I always assume you're going for the most unhelpful play imaginable. WHich doesn't mean you're wrong here, but I expected you to say "no way", so you doing it only means you're good at knowing what your meta is, which, yeah we know that already.
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Sure. You don't get town points though, I always assume you're going for the most unhelpful play imaginable. WHich doesn't mean you're wrong here, but I expected you to say "no way", so you doing it only means you're good at knowing what your meta is, which, yeah we know that already.
I'm never unhelpful, my meta is not unhelpful, and my post there was not unhelpful.
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I wasn't trying to start this again, sorry. I do think saying "we're not even going to discuss this, it's bad and you should al feel bad and I'm not going to cooperate" is unhelpful even if the plan is indeed bad.
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@silver : I suppose I agree immediate, strong contradiction is townie. Did we have any of that ?
uh no idea. did we?
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@silver : I suppose I agree immediate, strong contradiction is townie. Did we have any of that ?
uh no idea. did we?
No. I am always opposed to mass claiming D1 period. I wanted to see how things developed and form a cogent argument against it instead of knee jerking it as bad. On reread it looks like several were cautiously for it. Captain Withers and Haddock look to me as the most likely scum supporters if scum!ash went for this.
So, to fulfill meta, the scum team is ash, withers, and haddock.
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What do you think about Ghacob's reaction? I think that was the worst one.
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What do you think about Ghacob's reaction? I think that was the worst one.
It immediately stood out to me as well.
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When I bus I like to do it early and preferably be the first vote on my man.
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But I never hedge.
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I just play 2 games but only 1 is visible.
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I just play 2 games but only 1 is visible.
I don't understand this
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I'm taking PPS at his word.
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Vote: Teproc
Such an outrageous claim so early in the day isn't going to come from scum.
This reads almost like you haven't played a game with scum!PPS.
Oh wait.
I have. And he gave us WW's result. And WW was scum. And we didn't lynch WW because we were extra awfulawesome.
Fixed that for you.
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I am more inclined to play the game as designed. Teproc is scum which is why I am voting him and why he remains ambiguous on this so called plan.
The fact that ash would rather lynch non participants to the plan suggests the plan is so robust it can withstand early mislynching. A plan that robust would be so obvious that we would all see it and Archetype and Xerxes would have patched it.
If the plan is so fabulous then it should also withstand a few non mass market players not revealing their alignment early on.
Why is Teproc scum?
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Vote: Roadrunner
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Vote: Roadrunner
Cool. Why?
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I am more inclined to play the game as designed. Teproc is scum which is why I am voting him and why he remains ambiguous on this so called plan.
The fact that ash would rather lynch non participants to the plan suggests the plan is so robust it can withstand early mislynching. A plan that robust would be so obvious that we would all see it and Archetype and Xerxes would have patched it.
If the plan is so fabulous then it should also withstand a few non mass market players not revealing their alignment early on.
Why is Teproc scum?
Actually, Teproc is my top town read. Silverspawn is a close second.
Ghacob and withers are vying for my top scum reads.
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This seems pretty good. Vote: Ghacob
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Also, now that trees Mafia is over and I'm super bitter about being super right and super ignored, I'm super not as into this as I was ten hours ago.
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Also, now that trees Mafia is over and I'm super bitter about being super right and super ignored, I'm super not as into this as I was ten hours ago.
For the record, I didn't ignore you.
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For the record, you aren't being ignored you are being waited on for more information.
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well, I didn't really have a choice other than to discredit your opinion as much as possible, did I? everything else would have been bad play.
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For the record, you aren't being ignored you are being waited on for more information.
No, he's talking about how he was right in trees Mafia but he got ignored.
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For the record, you aren't being ignored you are being waited on for more information.
No, he's talking about how he was right in trees Mafia but he got ignored.
And the implication is he that he is right about his plan here but since none of us are buying into it he can later say he was ignored when in reality he is ignoring our requests for further information on the plan. That we are interested in further information is proof we are not the ones doing the ignoring in this case.
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For the record, you aren't being ignored you are being waited on for more information.
No, he's talking about how he was right in trees Mafia but he got ignored.
And the implication is he that he is right about his plan here but since none of us are buying into it he can later say he was ignored when in reality he is ignoring our requests for further information on the plan. That we are interested in further information is proof we are not the ones doing the ignoring in this case.
I read that three times, but that seems to be correct. I guess I should've claimed later. 😖
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Is there really much risk in it?
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Is there really much risk in it?
I think maybe so. The mods designed the scum faction with a known handicap. I have to assume that was done for balance purposes. When we remove that handicap I assume we tilt the field in their favor to some significant degree that is larger than what is typically afforded by scum being able to kill without a 50% modifier attached each night.
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Is there really much risk in it?
I think maybe so. The mods designed the scum faction with a known handicap. I have to assume that was done for balance purposes. When we remove that handicap I assume we tilt the field in their favor to some significant degree that is larger than what is typically afforded by scum being able to kill without a 50% modifier attached each night.
there could also be scum powers that reward knowledge of flavor
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I will do some explaining soon.
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Well while we wait for that shall we proceed as normal?
I need to have a proper look through reactions to the claim plan, but nothing stood out at the time.
And that's the only actual event that's happened so far.
Leaving my vote on chairs til he does something....
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Vote Count 1.3
Teproc (2): pingpongsam, Roadrunner7671
Roadrunner7671 (2): chairs, Witherweaver
Ghacob (3): iguanaigunana, silverspawn, Awaclus
Witherweaver (2): Hydrad, gkrieg
Awaclus (2): EgorK, Ashersky
Pingpongsam (1): Ghacob
chairs (1): Haddock
Not Voting (1): Teproc
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. D1 ends Tuesday, January 19th at 1:20 AM. Bankable time starts Monday, December 28th at 1:20 AM (~5 hours).
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Also, now that trees Mafia is over and I'm super bitter about being super right and super ignored, I'm super not as into this as I was ten hours ago.
To be frank, I think it would help people to have more trust in your powers of deduction if you provided reasons for the things that you claim to be true rather than just claiming them. Just in general.
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Had it not been for the self-hammer, I probably would have just sheeped ash in that game.
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Bankable time has begun to be used.
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At least ash can't self hammer there, which is good
On the other hand, I mostly agree with case on Ghacob Vote: Ghacob
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Okay, what is the case on Ghacob?
I like the case on Teproc.
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Okay, what is the case on Ghacob?
He's scum.
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Okay, what is the case on Ghacob?
He's scum.
Mute: Awaclus
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Okay, what is the case on Ghacob?
I like the case on Teproc.
hmm whats the case on teproc?
well anyways we should probably try to figure out a good date to end this day on. unless we want this game to turn into blitz. which could be hilarious.
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Okay, what is the case on Ghacob?
I like the case on Teproc.
hmm whats the case on teproc?
well anyways we should probably try to figure out a good date to end this day on. unless we want this game to turn into blitz. which could be hilarious.
PPS says. PPS knows he will be lynched if he is wrong. I'm taking PPS at his word.
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Oh shoot we didn't even talk about giving people components...
Although I don't think we have much information on them yet anyways so we wouldn't know who to give them too.
One thing that would of been good is everyone give all their components to me so that I get stronger.
ah well maybe after day1 we will have more info on them.
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Okay, what is the case on Ghacob?
I like the case on Teproc.
hmm whats the case on teproc?
well anyways we should probably try to figure out a good date to end this day on. unless we want this game to turn into blitz. which could be hilarious.
PPS says. PPS knows he will be lynched if he is wrong. I'm taking PPS at his word.
I see.
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Okay, what is the case on Ghacob?
I like the case on Teproc.
hmm whats the case on teproc?
well anyways we should probably try to figure out a good date to end this day on. unless we want this game to turn into blitz. which could be hilarious.
PPS says. PPS knows he will be lynched if he is wrong. I'm taking PPS at his word.
I see.
I guess he missed the part where I stated teproc was my top town read along with silverspawn.
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My standing vote on teproc would insinuate that I am cool with double mislynches so we can see how great ashersky's plan is.
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Okay, what is the case on Ghacob?
I like the case on Teproc.
hmm whats the case on teproc?
well anyways we should probably try to figure out a good date to end this day on. unless we want this game to turn into blitz. which could be hilarious.
PPS says. PPS knows he will be lynched if he is wrong. I'm taking PPS at his word.
I see.
I guess he missed the part where I stated teproc was my top town read along with silverspawn.
I guess I did
Unvote
PPE
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well anyways we should probably try to figure out a good date to end this day on. unless we want this game to turn into blitz. which could be hilarious.
If we budget a week for each day that gives us about 6 days total before our days get cut down to 3 days apiece. I think.
Which is probably reasonable given that later days with be shorter. So let's aim for roughly the end of the 1st for this one? With some leeway obviously.
PPE.
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My standing vote on teproc would insinuate that I am cool with double mislynches so we can see how great ashersky's plan is.
I'm not cool with a double mislynch, but I'm gonna Vote: Ashersky to put pressure on.
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Gonna vote: ash until he explains his glorious plan. At the moment it's just holding everything up.
PPE. Cripes, now I'm sheeping RR? What is the world coming to?
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Gonna vote: ash until he explains his glorious plan. At the moment it's just holding everything up.
PPE. Cripes, now I'm sheeping RR? What is the world coming to?
My devious plan is slowly falling into place. Soon, everyone will be sheeping RR! I will rule the world!!!
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I'd like to hear more from EgorK.
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I think a vote: RR is thoroughly warranted.
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I think a vote: RR is thoroughly warranted.
And why is this?
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Vote Count 1.4
Teproc (1): pingpongsam
Roadrunner7671 (3): chairs, Witherweaver, silverspawn
Ghacob (3): iguanaigunana, Awaclus, EgorK
Witherweaver (2): Hydrad, gkrieg
Awaclus (2): EgorK, Ashersky
Pingpongsam (1): Ghacob
Ashersky (2): Roadrunner7671, Haddock
Not Voting (1): Teproc
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. D1 ends Tuesday, January 19th at 1:20 AM. Bankable time started Monday, December 28th at 1:20 AM.
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I'll be finished with my VLA late tonight, so tomorrow I'm back in full.
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I just noticed chairs was voting RR. I'm torn but I guess to keep it interesting I'll Vote: RR although I am interested to hear more from chairs. Guy is hard to pressure with so little content.
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Discussion of components is hard without knowledge of them, but I hold that component holders should attempt to refrain from claiming that they hold them to prevent scum from gaining knowledge
...or maybe that only holds true for the game winning pieces?
Thoughts?
It's been over a day now, ash. Any explaining you'd like to do? Is it soon yet?
I'm vaguely reminded of ss in tree mafia, acting as the leader, deflecting criticism.
I think a vote: RR is thoroughly warranted.
I was initially going to respond with something along the lines of "what? he seems like his usual self" but he doesn't to me at the moment? That's all gut though
PPE: 4
wrote this up last night
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I think a vote: RR is thoroughly warranted.
And why is this?
You know why. We are neighbors - no harm in claiming this - and I told you in our QT.
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I'M vaguely skeptic of the sheeping though, because I don't see anything from him in this thread as scummy.
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vote: ash
PPE
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I think a vote: RR is thoroughly warranted.
And why is this?
You know why. We are neighbors - no harm in claiming this - and I told you in our QT.
So you are neighbors and got scummy vibes from him in your neighborhood?
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yes
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I'M vaguely skeptic of the sheeping though, because I don't see anything from him in this thread as scummy.
Yeah, me either. Im looking for two decent wagons and the other right now is Awaclus. I want to be on the middle of a wagon because that is where scum likes to be and I want to deny them that.
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Doesn't matter which wine you choose to drink they are both delicious.
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I'M vaguely skeptic of the sheeping though, because I don't see anything from him in this thread as scummy.
Yeah, me either. Im looking for two decent wagons and the other right now is Awaclus. I want to be on the middle of a wagon because that is where scum likes to be and I want to deny them that.
:o
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I hadn't processed that ashe was Vla. Nonetheless I like my vote on him until he explains himself.
I don't see RR as scummy at all so far. In fact I have very few reads since so little has happened. But I do find RR his usual townself so far.
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Cats out of the bag now.
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I think a vote: RR is thoroughly warranted.
And why is this?
It's probably because of your handing out townreads like candy and immediate acceptance of any claims. At least, that's why I'm voting for you, and I was doing it before it became cool.
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I hadn't processed that ashe was Vla. Nonetheless I like my vote on him until he explains himself.
I don't see RR as scummy at all so far. In fact I have very few reads since so little has happened. But I do find RR his usual townself so far.
That's kind of lazy voting. Is Ash scum or is Ash notscum?
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I think a vote: RR is thoroughly warranted.
And why is this?
It's probably because of your handing out townreads like candy and immediate acceptance of any claims. At least, that's why I'm voting for you, and I was doing it before it became cool.
Okay.
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I think a vote: RR is thoroughly warranted.
And why is this?
It's probably because of your handing out townreads like candy and immediate acceptance of any claims. At least, that's why I'm voting for you, and I was doing it before it became cool.
How are those things scummy ?
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SS said he had a QT, but he didn't tell you why he's voting for me, did he?
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SS said he had a QT, but he didn't tell you why he's voting for me, did he?
No he hasn't explained that part yet
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SS said he had a QT, but he didn't tell you why he's voting for me, did he?
No he hasn't explained that part yet
Shocker. Someone should ask him, that might be interesting.
And did he tell you that he chooses who I target at night or else my action is blocked?
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Wait, what is happening ?
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I think a vote: RR is thoroughly warranted.
And why is this?
You know why. We are neighbors - no harm in claiming this - and I told you in our QT.
Oh. I missed this. Ok.
That's a pretty awful vote. If it's good enough for a vote, it's good enough to be told here.
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Wait, what is happening ?
SS is blackmailing me.
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I think a vote: RR is thoroughly warranted.
And why is this?
You know why. We are neighbors - no harm in claiming this - and I told you in our QT.
Oh. I missed this. Ok.
That's a pretty awful vote. If it's good enough for a vote, it's good enough to be told here.
I agree. That is a pretty awful vote!
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I think a vote: RR is thoroughly warranted.
And why is this?
You know why. We are neighbors - no harm in claiming this - and I told you in our QT.
Oh. I missed this. Ok.
That's a pretty awful vote. If it's good enough for a vote, it's good enough to be told here.
I missed this as well.
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I think a vote: RR is thoroughly warranted.
And why is this?
It's probably because of your handing out townreads like candy and immediate acceptance of any claims. At least, that's why I'm voting for you, and I was doing it before it became cool.
How are those things scummy ?
Because when you're scum you know notscum claims are (probably) true, so if it seems like something you would consider believable, you claim to believe it, and you tend to exaggerate that.
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I think a vote: RR is thoroughly warranted.
And why is this?
It's probably because of your handing out townreads like candy and immediate acceptance of any claims. At least, that's why I'm voting for you, and I was doing it before it became cool.
How are those things scummy ?
Because when you're scum you know notscum claims are (probably) true, so if it seems like something you would consider believable, you claim to believe it, and you tend to exaggerate that.
Yeah ok I know that, but how are those things scummy given it's RR ?
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I feel like I should get Yuma in here to answer that. Something about scummy plays coming from scummy people doesn't absolve them from being scummy.
But yes it's possible it's RR being RR.
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I feel like I should get Yuma in here to answer that. Something about scummy plays coming from scummy people doesn't absolve them from being scummy.
But yes it's possible it's RR being RR.
Yay! Now all you have to do is unvote!
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I feel like I should get Yuma in here to answer that. Something about scummy plays coming from scummy people doesn't absolve them from being scummy.
But yes it's possible it's RR being RR.
I very much disagree with yuma on that particular point. Meta is everything.
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interesting
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vote: silver
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Not related to your use of the scummiest word that's ever scummed, but that helps too.
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And did he tell you that he chooses who I target at night or else my action is blocked?
if I really had such a power, then claiming it would be horrifically anti town
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Oh. I missed this. Ok.
That's a pretty awful vote. If it's good enough for a vote, it's good enough to be told here.
you simply don't understand the masterplan behind my actions
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And did he tell you that he chooses who I target at night or else my action is blocked?
if I really had such a power, then claiming it would be horrifically anti town
He has this power.
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And did he tell you that he chooses who I target at night or else my action is blocked?
if I really had such a power, then claiming it would be horrifically anti town
He has this power.
Assuming this is true, why tell us ? What's the purpose here ?
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I feel like I should get Yuma in here to answer that. Something about scummy plays coming from scummy people doesn't absolve them from being scummy.
But yes it's possible it's RR being RR.
I very much disagree with yuma on that particular point. Meta is everything.
That's only valid here if his scum meta is not doing this things.
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I feel like I should get Yuma in here to answer that. Something about scummy plays coming from scummy people doesn't absolve them from being scummy.
But yes it's possible it's RR being RR.
I very much disagree with yuma on that particular point. Meta is everything.
That's only valid here if his scum meta is not doing this things.
I forgot he had a scum game. You're saying he wasn't any different there ?
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And did he tell you that he chooses who I target at night or else my action is blocked?
if I really had such a power, then claiming it would be horrifically anti town
He has this power.
Assuming this is true, why tell us ? What's the purpose here ?
So that we can decide together who I target, then SS can say that person to me.
PPE
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And did he tell you that he chooses who I target at night or else my action is blocked?
if I really had such a power, then claiming it would be horrifically anti town
He has this power.
Assuming this is true, why tell us ? What's the purpose here ?
So that we can decide together who I target, then SS can say that person to me.
PPE
Can't you decide that with ss in your QT ? How does claiming one half of it make any of it better (do not take this as an encouragment to claim the other half) ?
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Oh. I missed this. Ok.
That's a pretty awful vote. If it's good enough for a vote, it's good enough to be told here.
you simply don't understand the masterplan behind my actions
I'm getting tired of people with masterplans. vote: ss
Jokes aside, what the he'll is going on with RR and SS? They've claimed neighbours but SS is voting RR? What's that about? I don't follow at all.
Anyway, vote: chairs. He's not vla is he? Just lurking.
I also feel that PPSs post where he votes RR and mentions chairs is weird. Not sure whether scummy, but definitely weird. He calls out chairs for lurking but then votes someone who's been crazy active and who surely everyone knows is always crazy when playing mafia. Worth noting in any case for the future.
My girlfriend says hi. She's watching me post.
PPE. 5. Huh? SS actually controls RR? Seriously, why claim that?
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And did he tell you that he chooses who I target at night or else my action is blocked?
if I really had such a power, then claiming it would be horrifically anti town
He has this power.
Assuming this is true, why tell us ? What's the purpose here ?
So that we can decide together who I target, then SS can say that person to me.
PPE
Can't you decide that with ss in your QT ? How does claiming one half of it make any of it better (do not take this as an encouragment to claim the other half) ?
SS is being unreasonable, I'd rather have anyone else pick for him. Or else I won't do my night action.
PPE
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Oh. I missed this. Ok.
That's a pretty awful vote. If it's good enough for a vote, it's good enough to be told here.
you simply don't understand the masterplan behind my actions
I'm getting tired of people with masterplans. vote: ss
Jokes aside, what the he'll is going on with RR and SS? They've claimed neighbours but SS is voting RR? What's that about? I don't follow at all.
Anyway, vote: chairs. He's not vla is he? Just lurking.
I also feel that PPSs post where he votes RR and mentions chairs is weird. Not sure whether scummy, but definitely weird. He calls out chairs for lurking but then votes someone who's been crazy active and who surely everyone knows is always crazy when playing mafia. Worth noting in any case for the future.
My girlfriend says hi. She's watching me post.
PPE. 5. Huh? SS actually controls RR? Seriously, why claim that?
SS doesn't control me. I'm not performing my night action. And tell your girlfriend F.DS says hi.
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Haddock, in case it's unclear, neighbours aren't masons, so them voting for each other isn't that shocking.
PPE : And you don't see how you claiming someone else's role might also qualify as unreasonable ? Like, why do you think he'd be more inclined to help now that you've done this ?
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I don't know that not posting in this particular time of the year can really be called lurking.
@RR : There's also the fact that, at this point, there's nothing town can say about who you'll target because we don't know your role. I'm not saying you should claim your role now though, I want to hear more from ss first at the very least.
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Haddock, in case it's unclear, neighbours aren't masons, so them voting for each other isn't that shocking.
PPE : And you don't see how you claiming someone else's role might also qualify as unreasonable ? Like, why do you think he'd be more inclined to help now that you've done this ?
He was never inclined to help me.
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I don't know that not posting in this particular time of the year can really be called lurking.
@RR : There's also the fact that, at this point, there's nothing town can say about who you'll target because we don't know your role. I'm not saying you should claim your role now though, I want to hear more from ss first at the very least.
No, I've decided I'm not performing my night action.
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I don't know that not posting in this particular time of the year can really be called lurking.
@RR : There's also the fact that, at this point, there's nothing town can say about who you'll target because we don't know your role. I'm not saying you should claim your role now though, I want to hear more from ss first at the very least.
No, I've decided I'm not performing my night action.
Yet you say you claimed silverspawn's thing because you want town to make him make you target someone. What gives ?
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See, this is the result of my masterplan. Well, the plan is simply to make RR feel pressured and do weird stuff.
Unfortunately, I'm still not sure if he's town or scum. His weirdness doesn't give me instant obv!town vibes.
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Am now back at home.
I like the SS wagon, think RR is town.
No one has claimed but me and RR right?
I'm still wanting to hear from others on the idea of winning as one town vs. Mafia.
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I'm still wanting to hear from others on the idea of winning as one town vs. Mafia.
I don't care if the other town faction wins as long as mint does.
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Am now back at home.
I like the SS wagon, think RR is town.
No one has claimed but me and RR right?
I'm still wanting to hear from others on the idea of winning as one town vs. Mafia.
... no one has objected to the idea of both town factions winning. But you still need to explain your plan before anyone will do this.
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See, this is the result of my masterplan. Well, the plan is simply to make RR feel pressured and do weird stuff.
Unfortunately, I'm still not sure if he's town or scum. His weirdness doesn't give me instant obv!town vibes.
Right, because putting Roadrunner on pressure definitely tells us a lot about his alignment. RR feels pressured whenever his name is mentioned in a post, so...
Yeah, I don't like this. Not at all.
vote: silverspawn
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Gkreig and SS have a QT too. Gkreig, how do you feel about my wagon and SS's wagon?
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Hey vote: ss how about you explain yourself?
Hey vote: ash how about you explain yourself?
RR... I dunno man
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See, this is the result of my masterplan. Well, the plan is simply to make RR feel pressured and do weird stuff.
Unfortunately, I'm still not sure if he's town or scum. His weirdness doesn't give me instant obv!town vibes.
Right, because putting Roadrunner on pressure definitely tells us a lot about his alignment. RR feels pressured whenever his name is mentioned in a post, so...
Yeah, I don't like this. Not at all.
vote: silverspawn
I don't think pressure is a polar concept
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Hey vote: ss how about you explain yourself?
Hey vote: ash how about you explain yourself?
RR... I dunno man
Dunno about what?
PPE
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I feel like I should get Yuma in here to answer that. Something about scummy plays coming from scummy people doesn't absolve them from being scummy.
But yes it's possible it's RR being RR.
I very much disagree with yuma on that particular point. Meta is everything.
That's only valid here if his scum meta is not doing this things.
I forgot he had a scum game. You're saying he wasn't any different there ?
I don't think he's played enough to have an established scum meta.
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Vote: Teproc
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I feel like I should get Yuma in here to answer that. Something about scummy plays coming from scummy people doesn't absolve them from being scummy.
But yes it's possible it's RR being RR.
I very much disagree with yuma on that particular point. Meta is everything.
That's only valid here if his scum meta is not doing this things.
I forgot he had a scum game. You're saying he wasn't any different there ?
I don't think he's played enough to have an established scum meta.
One game is more than enough. I'll take a look at it at some point.
PPE : Great.
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I feel like I should get Yuma in here to answer that. Something about scummy plays coming from scummy people doesn't absolve them from being scummy.
But yes it's possible it's RR being RR.
I very much disagree with yuma on that particular point. Meta is everything.
That's only valid here if his scum meta is not doing this things.
I forgot he had a scum game. You're saying he wasn't any different there ?
I don't think he's played enough to have an established scum meta.
One game is more than enough. I'll take a look at it at some point.
PPE : Great.
You don't think new players change their style? I did quite a bit through my early games.
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I feel like I should get Yuma in here to answer that. Something about scummy plays coming from scummy people doesn't absolve them from being scummy.
But yes it's possible it's RR being RR.
I very much disagree with yuma on that particular point. Meta is everything.
That's only valid here if his scum meta is not doing this things.
I forgot he had a scum game. You're saying he wasn't any different there ?
I don't think he's played enough to have an established scum meta.
One game is more than enough. I'll take a look at it at some point.
PPE : Great.
You don't think new players change their style? I did quite a bit through my early games.
I don't think newer players are more or less likely to change their playstyl than anyone else.
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Gkreig and SS have a QT too. Gkreig, how do you feel about my wagon and SS's wagon?
No I don't...
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Gkreig and SS have a QT too. Gkreig, how do you feel about my wagon and SS's wagon?
No I don't...
Oops, I thought I read that somewhere.
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And I only have QT with Arch :(
In other news I like where my vote is. Also my role make it bad for scum to know my reads, so I am not likely to post much
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Vote: ss
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Is SS at like L-4? This wagon took off super quickly.
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And I only have QT with Arch :(
In other news I like where my vote is. Also my role make it bad for scum to know my reads, so I am not likely to post much
Well we do need something from you so we can make reads on you.
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@EgorK
What are your reasons for voting Ghacob?
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Vote Count 1.5
Roadrunner7671 (3): chairs, silverspawn, pinpongsam
Ghacob (2): Awaclus, EgorK
Witherweaver (1): Hydrad
Awaclus (1): Ashersky
Ashersky (2): gkrieg13, Ghacob
silverspawn (3): Roadrunner7671, Teproc, iguanaiguana
chairs (1): Haddock
Teproc (1): Witherweaver
Not Voting (0):
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. D1 ends Tuesday, January 19th at 1:20 AM. ~2.25 days of bankable time have been used.
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Or are you voting for Awaclus :o
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Oh, SS is safe. Vote: SS
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Oh, SS is safe. Vote: SS
What is this supposed to mean?
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No explanation from ash despite the promises...
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Oh, SS is safe. Vote: SS
What is this supposed to mean?
Well, the fact that you can guess post author without looking at nick name?
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@gkrieg - Ghacob sounds scummy
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@gkrieg - Ghacob sounds scummy
So just a gut read?
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Oh, SS is safe. Vote: SS
What is this supposed to mean?
It means SS isn't close to being lynched, so voting for pressure is a good idea.
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Oh, SS is safe. Vote: SS
What is this supposed to mean?
Basically RR was worried that voting ss would put him close to a lynch. Then he saw the vote count and realised that wasn't an issue. At least I think that's what happened.
@EgorK, yeah you can't really just say "oh my role prevents me from having reads" that's a bit of a cop-out. I mean, it's OK not to have many reads at this point, but we'll need stuff from you at some point.
I do not like the SS wagon. He seems a bit scummy to me but I think it's easy to see him as scummy on d1 because he likes to take a controversial angle and tunnel just to see reactions and it ends up looking scummy. That's my take.
Who's played with ghacob before? I can't get much out of his couple of posts.
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Haddock, who has been scummier than silver so far ?
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I've played with Ghacob. I don't remember much specifically, nothing has stood out to me here.
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SS's wagon has taken off awfully quickly, there might be scum! on his wagon.
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SS's wagon has taken off awfully quickly, there might be scum! on his wagon.
1) It hasn't. L-4 isn't a thing.
2) Wagons are a good thing, you need to stop panicking every time they happen and before they happen. Well ou don't need to I suppose, but I would personally prefer if you didn't.
3) Yes there might be scum on wagon. You know where there definitely is scum ? Off wagon !
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Haddock, who has been scummier than silver so far ?
Bleh. Good point.
I do think I'm really bad at reading D1!ss though. Would probably rather give him a free pass than give one to the lurky people. I know it's the holidays but everyone else is managing to contribute...
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SS's wagon has taken off awfully quickly, there might be scum! on his wagon.
1) It hasn't. L-4 isn't a thing.
2) Wagons are a good thing, you need to stop panicking every time they happen and before they happen. Well ou don't need to I suppose, but I would personally prefer if you didn't.
3) Yes there might be scum on wagon. You know where there definitely is scum ? Off wagon !
L-4 is totally a thing. It means you need four more people in order to successfully lynch the person.
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SS's wagon has taken off awfully quickly, there might be scum! on his wagon.
1) It hasn't. L-4 isn't a thing.
2) Wagons are a good thing, you need to stop panicking every time they happen and before they happen. Well ou don't need to I suppose, but I would personally prefer if you didn't.
3) Yes there might be scum on wagon. You know where there definitely is scum ? Off wagon !
L-4 is totally a thing. It means you need four more people in order to successfully lynch the person.
I mean it's not threatening. L-4 is the beginning of a wagon basically, in a relatively big game like this.
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SS's wagon has taken off awfully quickly, there might be scum! on his wagon.
1) It hasn't. L-4 isn't a thing.
2) Wagons are a good thing, you need to stop panicking every time they happen and before they happen. Well ou don't need to I suppose, but I would personally prefer if you didn't.
3) Yes there might be scum on wagon. You know where there definitely is scum ? Off wagon !
L-4 is totally a thing. It means you need four more people in order to successfully lynch the person.
I mean it's not threatening. L-4 is the beginning of a wagon basically, in a relatively big game like this.
In a big game, that would threaten me.
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SS's wagon has taken off awfully quickly, there might be scum! on his wagon.
1) It hasn't. L-4 isn't a thing.
2) Wagons are a good thing, you need to stop panicking every time they happen and before they happen. Well ou don't need to I suppose, but I would personally prefer if you didn't.
3) Yes there might be scum on wagon. You know where there definitely is scum ? Off wagon !
L-4 is totally a thing. It means you need four more people in order to successfully lynch the person.
I mean it's not threatening. L-4 is the beginning of a wagon basically, in a relatively big game like this.
In a big game, that would threaten me.
This does not contradict what I'm saying.
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Let's get RR to L-4
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Let's get RR to L-4
Whyyyyy?
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SS's wagon has taken off awfully quickly, there might be scum! on his wagon.
1) It hasn't. L-4 isn't a thing.
2) Wagons are a good thing, you need to stop panicking every time they happen and before they happen. Well ou don't need to I suppose, but I would personally prefer if you didn't.
3) Yes there might be scum on wagon. You know where there definitely is scum ? Off wagon !
L-4 is Ichi claim territory.
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Vote: RR
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hmm after debating for a really long time (30 seconds) I actually think I'll just unvote
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also am I understanding that silver was lying to RR about his roles and stuff to see how RR would react?
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either way I think silver is town right now.
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Haddock, who has been scummier than silver so far ?
literally everyone else.
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also note that RR has claimed to know several things about me in my QT, so I don't think the 'he has a QT with gkrieg' thing was necessarily an accident. I think he might be fishing for something. I don't know what, though.
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also note that RR has claimed to know several things about me in my QT, so I don't think the 'he has a QT with gkrieg' thing was necessarily an accident. I think he might be fishing for something. I don't know what, though.
Are you asking us to note stuff happening inyour QT ? because that's pretty demanding.
So the gkrieg QT thing is a complete RR invention ? Weird.
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Are you asking us to note stuff happening inyour QT ? because that's pretty demanding.
why are you so complicated this game? you usually make sense.
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Are you asking us to note stuff happening inyour QT ? because that's pretty demanding.
why are you so complicated this game? you usually make sense.
I don't know what to say, that was a genuine question and I genuinely don't understand you asking us to take not of stuff we can't see.
I guess you just meant that you were noting it yourself ? I don't think that's how you should say that, but whatever.
Anyway, I think RR is, like, the towniest player in the game from this whole thing.
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It was just a way of saying 'by the way, this thing happened'
Anyway, I think RR is, like, the towniest player in the game from this whole thing.
really? But you do agree that him claiming the redirecting thing was anti town? regardless of whether or not it's accurate.
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It was just a way of saying 'by the way, this thing happened'
Anyway, I think RR is, like, the towniest player in the game from this whole thing.
really? But you do agree that him claiming the redirecting thing was anti town? regardless of whether or not it's accurate.
Most likely yes. I'm not used to RMM, so I'm assuming it's not as big a deal as it would usually be, but yeah it's anti-town. Usually, very anti-town thing are done by town. It's unfortunate, but it is what it is.
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so RR was first saying that I was 100% town because I opened the QT and a scum couldn't have this power (which doesn't make a lot of sense, but that's not really what I'm going after)
then he asked me a lot of questions which I refused to answer
then he tried to blackmail me into answering by threatening to tell everyone that I opened a QT and I told him that that's not actually a big deal
then he said I wasn't obv!town anymore
then for some reason he said he knows that I'm a vig
so... that was kind of the neighborhood experience. I'm unfortunately not convinced that it all adds up to town!RR
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the problem with claiming the redirection was that I specifically said 'no harm in claiming this' when I told everyone about the QT to demonstrate that, obviously, claiming more would be bad.
I'm just not sure if he really is doing weird stuff or if he's counciled. that's a word, right?
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Yeah. The less people make sense, the townier they are. Even applies to much more reasonable players than RR, like yuma. Because as scum you're careful about what you say, as town... even if you are careful, you naturally control what you say less because you know you're town, so you know you have a good explanation for your train of thought.
PPE : I think it's counselled ? Coached is what we usually use in mafia. I could see a scum team coaching to be really off-the-wall, but again, it's hard to fake.
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so RR was first saying that I was 100% town because I opened the QT and a scum couldn't have this power (which doesn't make a lot of sense, but that's not really what I'm going after)
then he asked me a lot of questions which I refused to answer
then he tried to blackmail me into answering by threatening to tell everyone that I opened a QT and I told him that that's not actually a big deal
then he said I wasn't obv!town anymore
then for some reason he said he knows that I'm a vig
so... that was kind of the neighborhood experience. I'm unfortunately not convinced that it all adds up to town!RR
Actually, it sounds like town to me. Basically what Teproc said.
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@EgorK, yeah you can't really just say "oh my role prevents me from having reads" that's a bit of a cop-out. I mean, it's OK not to have many reads at this point, but we'll need stuff from you at some point.
Yes I can. I don't want to give reads if this is antitown. And with my role it mostly is. If you don't like it you can vote me, but that would be bad as I am town. And yes, this is Awaclusish, but at least I has reason to do this
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okay. Town then I guess.
vote: Ghacob
although the sheeping was a bit creepy
ash, explain your plan thing.
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SS's wagon has taken off awfully quickly, there might be scum! on his wagon.
1) It hasn't. L-4 isn't a thing.
2) Wagons are a good thing, you need to stop panicking every time they happen and before they happen. Well ou don't need to I suppose, but I would personally prefer if you didn't.
3) Yes there might be scum on wagon. You know where there definitely is scum ? Off wagon !
How is it you are certain that the entire scum team is not on the wagon? Unlikely, sure... But you say definitely.
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also note that RR has claimed to know several things about me in my QT, so I don't think the 'he has a QT with gkrieg' thing was necessarily an accident. I think he might be fishing for something. I don't know what, though.
Yep, I'm a good enough player to fish for something.
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so RR was first saying that I was 100% town because I opened the QT and a scum couldn't have this power (which doesn't make a lot of sense, but that's not really what I'm going after)
then he asked me a lot of questions which I refused to answer
then he tried to blackmail me into answering by threatening to tell everyone that I opened a QT and I told him that that's not actually a big deal
then he said I wasn't obv!town anymore
then for some reason he said he knows that I'm a vig
so... that was kind of the neighborhood experience. I'm unfortunately not convinced that it all adds up to town!RR
You forgot to mention my scumslip.
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stop the random bolds, please.
and sure. RR said faust is towny. that's not really a scum slip, though.
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Huh? Is Faust in this game?
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stop the random bolds, please.
and sure. RR said faust is towny. that's not really a scum slip, though.
No no, I want people to be sure that they read certain things. Maybe I'll just change the color, bolding is sort of inconsiderate to the mods. But, as you can see, SS accuses me of a scum slip because he is so desperate to frame RR.
PPE
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Huh? Is Faust in this game?
no. that was the 'scum slip'. the idea is that he fabricated reads on people and therefore didn't notice that he wasn't in this game.
as I said, not really a scum slip.
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Huh? Is Faust in this game?
Nope. But if you think he is, you're scum.
PPE
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Drat, that was the first time I got ninja'd.
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SS accuses me of a scum slip because he is so desperate to frame RR.
I'm pretty sure you are the one who brought up the scum slip, and I was the one who said that it wasn't one.
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So, the questions are:
In no particular order...
Will ashersky ever explain the plan?
Is the SS RR thing a town squabble or must one of them be scum?
Could they both be scum?
Will teproc answer the question I posed or ignore his scum slip hoping it goes away?
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RR and SS can take their squabble behind closed doors if the town so wishes.
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Huh? Is Faust in this game?
no. that was the 'scum slip'. the idea is that he fabricated reads on people and therefore didn't notice that he wasn't in this game.
as I said, not really a scum slip.
That's not even a good idea.
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So, the questions are:
In no particular order...
Will ashersky ever explain the plan?
Is the SS RR thing a town squabble or must one of them be scum?
Could they both be scum?
Will teproc answer the question I posed or ignore his scum slip hoping it goes away?
What scumslip?
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So I just caught up on the last five pages. More comfortable than ever on my vote decision, and still against the ash plan.
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So, the questions are:
In no particular order...
Will ashersky ever explain the plan?
Is the SS RR thing a town squabble or must one of them be scum?
Could they both be scum?
Will teproc answer the question I posed or ignore his scum slip hoping it goes away?
What scumslip?
I said there was definitely scum off-wagon, when theoretically the scum team could all be on the silver wagon.
So, ok, "definitely" was a very very slight overstatement.
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I made a post, but it was eaten by the internet drop fairies.
vote: SS
My plan involves forcing scum to choose a color. I think it can wait until tomorrow, as we now have some good stuff to work on.
Or we could continue with talking about it if wanted. I think we should end the day soon, though, to save bankable hours.
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SS, claim your alignment now, please.
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What are bankable hours?
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What are bankable hours?
We have a set amount of time to play the game -- we are using it up now. See the setup post.
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So, the questions are:
In no particular order...
Will ashersky ever explain the plan?
Is the SS RR thing a town squabble or must one of them be scum?
Could they both be scum?
Will teproc answer the question I posed or ignore his scum slip hoping it goes away?
What scumslip?
I said there was definitely scum off-wagon, when theoretically the scum team could all be on the silver wagon.
So, ok, "definitely" was a very very slight overstatement.
Certainty is a luxury typically only scum enjoys this early in the game. That this mindset is represented in the post is telling, I think.
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What are bankable hours?
We have a set amount of time to play the game -- we are using it up now. See the setup post.
Ok, I thought that mod post was triggered by someone's hidden day action and we weren't supposed to know what it meant yet.
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SS, claim your alignment now, please.
You think L-3 is sufficient to force a claim? Are you that hard up for everyone's alignment you'll just push a wagon and demand it since we didn't just give it up outright when you suggested you had an airtight, game breaking plan?
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SS, claim your alignment now, please.
I support this.
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SS, claim your alignment now, please.
You think L-3 is sufficient to force a claim? Are you that hard up for everyone's alignment you'll just push a wagon and demand it since we didn't just give it up outright when you suggested you had an airtight, game breaking plan?
I didn't know the vote count. I think his claim is sufficient to force a separate claim.
I'm not convinced everyone will go along with my plan right now, because it only works if ALL town players want it to (that means both green and blue). As it is, the only thing that happened was RR claiming, which whatever, since he's already involved in a bunch of other claiming now.
If the anti-town townies die off, maybe we can pull it off. As I said, it involves forcing scum to make a choice between green and blue and going from there.
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Unvote
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So, the questions are:
In no particular order...
Will ashersky ever explain the plan?
Is the SS RR thing a town squabble or must one of them be scum?
Could they both be scum?
Will teproc answer the question I posed or ignore his scum slip hoping it goes away?
What scumslip?
I said there was definitely scum off-wagon, when theoretically the scum team could all be on the silver wagon.
So, ok, "definitely" was a very very slight overstatement.
Certainty is a luxury typically only scum enjoys this early in the game. That this mindset is represented in the post is telling, I think.
This is weaksauce.
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SS, claim your alignment now, please.
You think L-3 is sufficient to force a claim? Are you that hard up for everyone's alignment you'll just push a wagon and demand it since we didn't just give it up outright when you suggested you had an airtight, game breaking plan?
I didn't know the vote count. I think his claim is sufficient to force a separate claim.
I'm not convinced everyone will go along with my plan right now, because it only works if ALL town players want it to (that means both green and blue). As it is, the only thing that happened was RR claiming, which whatever, since he's already involved in a bunch of other claiming now.
If the anti-town townies die off, maybe we can pull it off. As I said, it involves forcing scum to make a choice between green and blue and going from there.
Is a townie categorized as anti townie for not going along with the plan or for their particular role? Also, the part I am more interested in is how to distinguish the lying scum from the other claims.
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Vote: Silverspawn
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The more I think about it, the more I'm in favor of ash's plan in general by the way. Even without additional clarification, though that'd be nice too.
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I'm still not seeing how it will benefit.
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I'm still not seeing how it will benefit.
The idea of this game, I think, is that of a divided town. We have two townie factions that can either collaborate against scum, or fight each other, or a mix of both. This, to me, means that we probably have PRs that reward cooperation. A very simple, basic example would be a Doctor who says "Target player X, is he is a Eurogame (or an Ameritrash game, depending on the Doctor's alignment), he will be protected from NKs".
THat's just an example, but you get the gist. It's speculative, but I'm guessing the potential upside there outweighs the downside of making it easier for scum to kill at night, especially given that we've already had a few alignemnt claims anyway, so if scum wants to make sure they kill they can already do that.
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I'm still not seeing how it will benefit.
The idea of this game, I think, is that of a divided town. We have two townie factions that can either collaborate against scum, or fight each other, or a mix of both. This, to me, means that we probably have PRs that reward cooperation. A very simple, basic example would be a Doctor who says "Target player X, is he is a Eurogame (or an Ameritrash game, depending on the Doctor's alignment), he will be protected from NKs".
THat's just an example, but you get the gist. It's speculative, but I'm guessing the potential upside there outweighs the downside of making it easier for scum to kill at night, especially given that we've already had a few alignemnt claims anyway, so if scum wants to make sure they kill they can already do that.
With only a few claims, that also indicates to any potential protectors who to guard, so I'm not sure we've risked much yet.
Do you mean PRs rewarding cooperation, or just rewarding alignment knowledge? Ash is only proposing we claim alignments, not roles, right?
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I'm guessing both, but the risk to claiming alignments is much lower, so I like doing that.
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Hi everyone!
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Another point I need to clarify...
I'm treating both Euro and Ameritrash as town and Mass Market as scum. I am NOT differentiating between Euro and Ameritrash, even though there is the small win con difference.
The main win con is kill mafia (MM). There's the little extra thing, which is game-able (pun intended). But if you re-read those win cons, man, they're the same. Catch scum.
Is there an SK or some such? Dunno, but nights will help us with that. I want, vehemently, to destroy the players who have the red win con. I found a way to do that.
I'm not convinced Euro and Ameritrash are equivalent as factions.
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Euro and Ameritrash can win together! We need to do that.
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Euro and Ameritrash can win together! We need to do that.
Do you even know this is true? Just because the win cons don't contradict each other doesn't mean that winning together is possible.
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Euro and Ameritrash can win together! We need to do that.
Do you even know this is true? Just because the win cons don't contradict each other doesn't mean that winning together is possible.
Yes, we do. You can verify it by asking in your QT.
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Partially ninja'd.
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Hm, okay.
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I'm guessing both, but the risk to claiming alignments is much lower, so I like doing that.
I was only asking for alignments (and flavor games).
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I know, and I agree.
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Unvote
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Why is a no lynch today a bad idea?
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Why is a no lynch today a bad idea?
because then we don't get much info and scum just shoots someone. and then we cry.
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Vote: chairs
gut guess feeling is hes scum. but no one will follow me on that. but at least my vote is somewhere now.
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Why is a no lynch today a bad idea?
because then we don't get much info and scum just shoots someone. and then we cry.
Won't we cry if we lynch a townie? And on D1 we don't really have accurate reads and a townie flip doesn't give much info.
Vote: NoLynch
I think this is a thing.
PPE
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Oops, there is a space.
Vote: No lynch
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right but even in lynching a townie you can see who was trying to get them lynched or their interactions with others and that can give you a clue on whos scum.
Plus there is still the chance we hit scum (like chairs) and then the game becomes much easier.
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right but even in lynching a townie you can see who was trying to get them lynched or their interactions with others and that can give you a clue on whos scum.
Plus there is still the chance we hit scum (like chairs) and then the game becomes much easier.
These are all things to consider, but I'd rather play it safe.
Then again, chairs is voting for me, and only scum votes for RR...
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right but even in lynching a townie you can see who was trying to get them lynched or their interactions with others and that can give you a clue on whos scum.
Plus there is still the chance we hit scum (like chairs) and then the game becomes much easier.
These are all things to consider, but I'd rather play it safe.
Then again, chairs is voting for me, and only scum votes for RR...
Hmm well you can try. but I don't think I've seen a nolynch day one yet so people probably won't agree with you.
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Not being invested in day 1 stupidity and being against claiming without data on the plan does not scum make.
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A Drowned Kernel has replaced iguanaiguana. Thanks ADK!
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Howdy y'all.
I'm going to do a catch-up megapost, stay tuned.
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Howdy y'all.
I'm going to do a catch-up megapost, stay tuned.
Holy poopsocks! It's ADK!
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Howdy y'all.
I'm going to do a catch-up megapost, stay tuned.
Wow! ADK is real??!!
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*gets popcorn*
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Not being invested in day 1 stupidity and being against claiming without data on the plan does not scum make.
Who're you calling stupid?
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I targeted someone last night.
Vote: pingpongsam
First non-RVS-looking thing to me. It leans me toward town on PPS, if scum was going to claim something right off the bat they'd probably have something more substansive.
I targeted someone last night.
Vote: pingpongsam
Really?
Really.
I say we mass claim.
ash mass claiming is proposed. I tend to think that most RMMs are balanced well enough that this is a bad idea. It's hard to know until you've done it, and you can't undo it once it's done.
I think everyone should claim game and faction.
Oh, so it's only claiming factions. Is there merit to that? It gives scum better killing power, and what's the benefit to the factions?
I don't think we should claim factions. It makes easier for the mass markets to kill us and I only see minor benefits for the euros and ameritrashes.
I'm not sure there's any benefit for us. But Awaclus has a strong opinion on this right off the bat, which looks suspicious to me, like he's been thinking about this already. vote: Awaclus
vote: ashersky
This is easy: if ashersky is town, his idea is a good one and we should follow it; if he's lying scum, his idea is a bad one and we should not follow it
We could very well lynch me today if that helps everyone, but it needs to be after we all claim our alignments and I break the setup and win the game for us.
Ok, so anyone who was involved in/has read Village knows ash is willing to break a setup even if it means he loses as scum, but I'm also thinking of Lost mafia where he was willing to be (slightly) dishonest as town and enact a ridiculous plan when he didn't have all the information. I believe that ash believes he's found a way to break the setup, but...
Whatever. I'm in.
Alignment?
I will claim after two more people say they're in. They don't have to claim, they just have to be willing to go along with it.
I've never played with Roadrunner before (though I've met him IRL), what's his deal?
Well, this is a turnup.
I think I could probably go along with this. Trouble is its only any good if EVERYONE is willing to claim. And I dont see that happening, its a controversial enough idea that plenty of people will oppose it. And if anyone doesnt claim it breaks. autolynching the nonclaimers presumably breaks whatever plan ash has come up with.
The other thing is the possibility of third (well, fourth) parties, which the setup doesnt explicitly exclude. Ash, does your plan take this into account?
No, this (http://www.healthiestfoods.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/turnip.jpg) is a turnip.
This seems like a very hedgey response to the plan, and kind of scummy. Ok, I just said Awaclus was scummy for being certain. It's that both responses seem... considered? Again, like they were already considering it before it was even proposed.
@iguana : Take a look at Village Mafia (it's a quick read), you'll understand why a super pro-town plan isn't a town!tell for ash... and obviously who knows how good this plan is. Need to reread the setup because there are things I'm not getting it seems.
I guess this is what I'm thinking of as a townie response. Maybe I just sympathize with Teproc because I don't really get it either.
Well, this is a turnup.
I think I could probably go along with this. Trouble is its only any good if EVERYONE is willing to claim. And I dont see that happening, its a controversial enough idea that plenty of people will oppose it. And if anyone doesnt claim it breaks. autolynching the nonclaimers presumably breaks whatever plan ash has come up with.
The other thing is the possibility of third (well, fourth) parties, which the setup doesnt explicitly exclude. Ash, does your plan take this into account?
Fourth party does not affect my plan.
That's a bold, bold statement.
I can see how both Ameritrash and Euros can win simultaneously, assuming you can wean out the mass market games.
I'm... not sure I see the breaking strategy though.
Tentatively against claiming, since I'm not seeing the broken strategy that makes it preferable.
Obligatory “oh hey chairs is in this game!” comment. We'll see if he posts enough for me to get any sort of read on him farther down.
There is a bit of a contradiction in the whole proposal
- ash said the setup is breakable. This should mean scum is powerless against the plan
- ash doesn't want to claim the plan. This implies that scum is not powerless if they play right
This.
Seconded.
Though: No one seems to have much of an opinion on who's scum yet, I guess that's the downside of theory talk.
vote: egor
Just to motivate you a bit. I know you're still thinking, but we need at least preliminary conclusions from everyone here.
“Hey scum partner, stop lurking!”
I haven't played with Haddock before either, I think. What's his/her deal? I'm getting close to voting for them.
In case that's not clear enough: my plan results in a shared win for blue and green ONLY. It was not conceived to allow only blue OR green to win, and I refuse to let it be used that way.
I'd rather lose to red.
Ah, so there's the rub.
If I could be convinced that it was a sure bet, I would rather win with the other town team than take a chance at a “solo” victory. A win is a win.
Any plan should keep in mind that, if the thread title pattern continues, after tomorrow we'll have four consecutive nights.
Way to pump up your post count, WW!
In other words, if we are going to,lynch players who aren't just going straight to a probably deeply flawed plan in order to circumvent just playing out the design then I have no interest in actually playing... feel free to mislynch me first because the plan is so awesome you can just mislynch with abandon and suffer no real consequences.
Everyone just ignore that the big scum weakness is not being able to kill without knowing our alignments and the plan involves divulging our alignments and must therefore be the obvious best play.
This feels like town to me. If the plan is good for scum, then they'll try to push it through. If it's bad for scum, they'll know it and be too scared to oppose it too loudly.
So, hold on.
Are we doing the massclaim or not?
We seem to have gone off track.
Im not epically bothered either way, im not sure that this plan can be as amazing as was originally claimed but I also dont think the downside is too huge.
Oh, and unvote.
Can anyone else see ash inventing an imaginary plan to gauge reactions? I can kinda see that.
hedgehedgehedgehedgehedge
vote: Haddock
I always have a plan too, I just make it up as I go along, though.
That is the opposite of having a plan.
basically, there are two possibilities (this is very similar to what I said earlier)
- the plan is actually broken and scum can not defend themselves -> ash should explain it before we do it
- the plan is not actually broken and scum can defend themselves -> we should not do it at all
in neither case is doing it blindly good.
silverspawn started being super reasonable while I was gone, is this even F.DS mafia anymore?
At least ash can't self hammer there, which is good
On the other hand, I mostly agree with case on Ghacob Vote: Ghacob
“Oh sweet a wagon that's not me!”
Okay, what is the case on Ghacob?
He's scum.
Mute: Awaclus
Uh is this for real?
My standing vote on teproc would insinuate that I am cool with double mislynches so we can see how great ashersky's plan is.
I'm not cool with a double mislynch, but I'm gonna Vote: Ashersky to put pressure on.
Seriously, Roadrunner seems all over the place. Is... is this normal?
I'd like to hear more from EgorK.
Ok so this is sensible.
I think a vote: RR is thoroughly warranted.
And why is this?
You know why. We are neighbors - no harm in claiming this - and I told you in our QT.
Oh ok I guess we're just claiming willy-nilly now.
I'M vaguely skeptic of the sheeping though, because I don't see anything from him in this thread as scummy.
Yeah, me either. Im looking for two decent wagons and the other right now is Awaclus. I want to be on the middle of a wagon because that is where scum likes to be and I want to deny them that.
PPS = IC
SS said he had a QT, but he didn't tell you why he's voting for me, did he?
No he hasn't explained that part yet
Shocker. Someone should ask him, that might be interesting.
And did he tell you that he chooses who I target at night or else my action is blocked?
Aaaah stop
Vote: Teproc
This makes me slightly suspicious of WW. Voting out of the blue for someone who doesn't really have a wagon on them looks like “hmm, I better look like I have a strong opinion and am not trying to keep my head down!”
hmm after debating for a really long time (30 seconds) I actually think I'll just unvote
Voting and the immediately unvoting is probably town.
so RR was first saying that I was 100% town because I opened the QT and a scum couldn't have this power (which doesn't make a lot of sense, but that's not really what I'm going after)
then he asked me a lot of questions which I refused to answer
then he tried to blackmail me into answering by threatening to tell everyone that I opened a QT and I told him that that's not actually a big deal
then he said I wasn't obv!town anymore
then for some reason he said he knows that I'm a vig
so... that was kind of the neighborhood experience. I'm unfortunately not convinced that it all adds up to town!RR
Man neighborhoods are also so cheery in these games. I'm leaning on town on SS for all this, a little less so for RR. He's so off the wall here, and maybe that's normal but it's also something that's not actually that hard to replicate.
okay. Town then I guess.
vote: Ghacob
although the sheeping was a bit creepy
ash, explain your plan thing.
Lots of town feeling from SS. Scum doesn't drop a scumread that easily.
So I just caught up on the last five pages. More comfortable than ever on my vote decision, and still against the ash plan.
A wild chairs' post appears! And it has like zero new info. Leaning a little scum here but lurker chairs is all-the-time chairs, so meh.
Euro and Ameritrash can win together! We need to do that.
“Empty post that expresses a non-controversial opinion to make it look like I'm contributing!”
Vote: chairs
gut guess feeling is hes scum. but no one will follow me on that. but at least my vote is somewhere now.
I might follow you on that.
Why is a no lynch today a bad idea?
because then we don't get much info and scum just shoots someone. and then we cry.
Won't we cry if we lynch a townie? And on D1 we don't really have accurate reads and a townie flip doesn't give much info.
Vote: NoLynch
I think this is a thing.
PPE
Much like Scout, it is not a thing.
And there we go! Here's my reads list:
SCUMMY:
Roadrunner
Awaclus
chairs
EgorK
SCUMMEST:
Haddock
TOWNY:
Hydrad
Teproc
ash
Silver
TOWNEST:
PPS
BLEAH:
WW
Ghacob
My thoughts on the plan: I get a sense of what ash is trying to go for, and I agree that a good chance of winning together is better than a poor chance of winning alone (which might the point, guys this game was a parable the whole time). I have a sinking feeling that there's a piece of info that ash doesn't have that's making him overconfident.
I'm only in if every living town player posts that they are in and that they agree to work for a shared victory. If that can't happen today then I guess we wait for those people to die and proceed with the game as normal.
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My thoughts on the plan: I get a sense of what ash is trying to go for, and I agree that a good chance of winning together is better than a poor chance of winning alone (which might the point, guys this game was a parable the whole time). I have a sinking feeling that there's a piece of info that ash doesn't have that's making him overconfident.
I'm only in if every living town player posts that they are in and that they agree to work for a shared victory. If that can't happen today then I guess we wait for those people to die and proceed with the game as normal.
Glad you are back, buddy.
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My thoughts on the plan: I get a sense of what ash is trying to go for, and I agree that a good chance of winning together is better than a poor chance of winning alone (which might the point, guys this game was a parable the whole time). I have a sinking feeling that there's a piece of info that ash doesn't have that's making him overconfident.
I'm only in if every living town player posts that they are in and that they agree to work for a shared victory. If that can't happen today then I guess we wait for those people to die and proceed with the game as normal.
Glad you are back, buddy.
Hopefully I can manage this better with RL this time.
Mods, can I get an answer as to whether Awaclus was actually muted?
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This sounds like town ADK.
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You forgot about me...
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My thoughts on the plan: I get a sense of what ash is trying to go for, and I agree that a good chance of winning together is better than a poor chance of winning alone (which might the point, guys this game was a parable the whole time). I have a sinking feeling that there's a piece of info that ash doesn't have that's making him overconfident.
I'm only in if every living town player posts that they are in and that they agree to work for a shared victory. If that can't happen today then I guess we wait for those people to die and proceed with the game as normal.
Glad you are back, buddy.
Hopefully I can manage this better with RL this time.
Mods, can I get an answer as to whether Awaclus was actually muted?
I cannot answer this question.
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Vote Count 1.6
Roadrunner7671 (2): chairs, pinpongsam
Ghacob (3): Awaclus, EgorK, silverspawn
Ashersky (2): gkrieg13, Ghacob
silverspawn (3): Teproc, ashersky, Witherweaver
chairs (2): Haddock, Hydrad
Haddock (1): A Drowned Kernel
No Lynch (1): Roadrunner7671
Not Voting (0):
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. D1 ends Tuesday, January 19th at 1:20 AM. ~3.5 days of bankable time have been used.
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Roadrunner, was your muting of Awaclus an actual power that you used?
You forgot about me...
It looks like I did. I guess you didn't stand out to me very much?
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Wow, ADK thinks I'm scummy right off the bat. I guess he's not used to me, but he will learn to love RR.
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Oh and to address your question...
Awaclus has been awfully quiet, hasn't he?
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Awfully quiet.
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Awfully quiet.
Uh? Maybe it's like jinxing someone. And we have to say his name or something.
Awaclus
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Awfully quiet.
Uh? Maybe it's like jinxing someone. And we have to say his name or something.
Awaclus
Heh heh heh.
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Re: gkrieg
He has a lot of one line posts, which could be either lurking scum or slightly disengaged townie. If its the latter I understand it, especially from a new player, big plans can be frustrating to deal with.
vote: Roadrunner I'm going to assume that means your power was real, and using it in such an anti-town fashion, without announcing it or letting anyone know that it was actually a thing, is something that doesn't sit well with me at all.
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Also if this is for real then I guess the plan is moot for today since Awaclus can't give us his alignment now.
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Oh, well. In ADK's defense, this has been one of my scummiest games. But that was just a result of the Golden Rule: the prime objective is to have fun!
PPE
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ADK is back ! When was the last time we played together ?
Oh, right, that one. Let's not talk about that.
RR is kind of like a more talky version of Morgrim.
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Wait, were you around for Morgrim ? Nah, you missed him by a game or two I think. Let's just say RR is erratic then, as both alignments.
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Wait, were you around for Morgrim ? Nah, you missed him by a game or two I think. Let's just say RR is erratic then, as both alignments.
Oh, come on. Nothing nice to say about Roadrunner?
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Wait, were you around for Morgrim ? Nah, you missed him by a game or two I think. Let's just say RR is erratic then, as both alignments.
Oh, come on. Nothing nice to say about Roadrunner?
I think you're pretty funny. I like playing with you better than with Morgrim, I'll say that much (if you want to know who Morgrim was you can go into the mafia records thread and take a look at MII for example).
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ADK is back ! When was the last time we played together ?
Oh, right, that one. Let's not talk about that.
RR is kind of like a more talky version of Morgrim.
How do you feel about the way he used his power?
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Wait, were you around for Morgrim ? Nah, you missed him by a game or two I think. Let's just say RR is erratic then, as both alignments.
Oh, come on. Nothing nice to say about Roadrunner?
I think you're pretty funny. I like playing with you better than with Morgrim, I'll say that much (if you want to know who Morgrim was you can go into the mafia records thread and take a look at MII for example).
I only know Morgrim from an ongoing game that I can't talk about that he's the mod in.
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Here's some things about RR: RR is an excellent policy lynch, you'll simply find no better.
RR is a picture perfect noob no matter what he tells you or how many games he's played.
RR is terrible at being scum, and super obvious when he is town.
RR is never scum.
RR makes short posts and generalizations.
RR is very weird (but in a good way).
RR is arrogant, but you probably won't be able to tell.
RR likes making lists, as you probably can tell.
RR is awful at reads.
RR handles pressure poorly (he overreacts).
RR never hammers.
And now you know about RR, but you didn't hear it from me!
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ADK is back ! When was the last time we played together ?
Oh, right, that one. Let's not talk about that.
RR is kind of like a more talky version of Morgrim.
How do you feel about the way he used his power?
I didn't think it was an actual thing until you pointed it out just now.
RR : could you clarify if the mute thing is a real thing and if so how does it work and why did you randomly use it on Awaclus ?
PPE : Morgrim is around ? Huh.
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ADK is back ! When was the last time we played together ?
Oh, right, that one. Let's not talk about that.
RR is kind of like a more talky version of Morgrim.
How do you feel about the way he used his power?
I didn't think it was an actual thing until you pointed it out just now.
RR : could you clarify if the mute thing is a real thing and if so how does it work and why did you randomly use it on Awaclus ?
PPE : Morgrim is around ? Huh.
I think he's talking about Morris bastard game that he just kinda left for a year.
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ADK is back ! When was the last time we played together ?
Oh, right, that one. Let's not talk about that.
RR is kind of like a more talky version of Morgrim.
How do you feel about the way he used his power?
I didn't think it was an actual thing until you pointed it out just now.
RR : could you clarify if the mute thing is a real thing and if so how does it work and why did you randomly use it on Awaclus ?
PPE : Morgrim is around ? Huh.
I'm not sure what I'm allowed to tell you guys about it, this is probably because Archetype wants to keep his new cool role a secret until the grand reveal at the end of the game. But I will check with one of our mods. And I was referring to the Bastard game.
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Theoretically you can tell us whatever you want as long as you don't directly quote the mod, unless Arch/XP specified you had limitations in what you could say beyond that.
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Theoretically you can tell us whatever you want as long as you don't directly quote the mod, unless Arch/XP specified you had limitations in what you could say beyond that.
I will tell you everything I can, but the word you used, 'theoretically,' is a very important one.
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Mods, can I get an answer as to whether Awaclus was actually muted?
Not as far as I can tell, it's just a coincidence I haven't really had anything worth posting after that.
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It was just a prank bro.
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The camera's right over there, it was just a prank!
📷
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Mods, can I get an answer as to whether Awaclus was actually muted?
Not as far as I can tell, it's just a coincidence I haven't really had anything worth posting after that.
Thanks for playing along.
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unvote
So RR is just a troll
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unvote
So RR is just a troll
Just a troll? My good sir, RR is a complex and layered forum mafia player who could mute you without blinking an eye. Or I could dayvig you. Or I could do the gladiator thing, but I should save that for later.
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unvote
So RR is just a troll
Just a troll? My good sir, RR is a complex and layered troll.
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unvote
So RR is just a troll
Just a troll? My good sir, RR is a complex and layered troll.
Laugh all you want, but you'll miss me when I'm gone.
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I don't get any strong scum feelings from RR for all this. Weird isn't necessarily scummy. (Generally the opposite.) ADK going after him is a bit suspect, but I'm not sure I would do much different in his position.
I like Vote: Haddock better.
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Oh, ADK unvoted. I missed all of this page.
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Actually I wish I could emulate RRs playstyle, but I don't think I could pull it off.
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I don't get any strong scum feelings from RR for all this. Weird isn't necessarily scummy. (Generally the opposite.) ADK going after him is a bit suspect, but I'm not sure I would do much different in his position.
I like Vote: Haddock better.
Yeah I'm also back to vote: haddock
Last post before I get drunk for NYE
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Actually I wish I could emulate RRs playstyle, but I don't think I could pull it off.
Don't worry WW, you're still a better troll than me.
And what exactly is my playstyle?
PPE
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I don't get any strong scum feelings from RR for all this. Weird isn't necessarily scummy. (Generally the opposite.) ADK going after him is a bit suspect, but I'm not sure I would do much different in his position.
I like Vote: Haddock better.
Yeah I'm also back to vote: haddock
Last post before I get drunk for NYE
Oh come on, drunk posts are the best types of posts!
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I don't get any strong scum feelings from RR for all this. Weird isn't necessarily scummy. (Generally the opposite.) ADK going after him is a bit suspect, but I'm not sure I would do much different in his position.
I like Vote: Haddock better.
Yeah I'm also back to vote: haddock
Last post before I get drunk for NYE
Drunk Mafia is best Mafia.
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Actually I wish I could emulate RRs playstyle, but I don't think I could pull it off.
Don't worry WW, you're still a better troll than me.
And what exactly is my playstyle?
PPE
Frackin' weird. But keeps everyone guessing, which I like to do. Then again, I'm kind of an asshole.
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But also you've potentially 'breadcrumbed' like 3+ PR's, creating interesting claiming scenarios.
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But also you've potentially 'breadcrumbed' like 3+ PR's, creating interesting claiming scenarios.
Oh, you noticed? That's why I've created more than one trail...
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Actually I wish I could emulate RRs playstyle, but I don't think I could pull it off.
Don't worry WW, you're still a better troll than me.
And what exactly is my playstyle?
PPE
Frackin' weird. But keeps everyone guessing, which I like to do. Then again, I'm kind of an asshole.
So you'll use colorful words like 'asshole' but you won't use a certain colorful word in place of 'frackin'?'
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Actually I wish I could emulate RRs playstyle, but I don't think I could pull it off.
Don't worry WW, you're still a better troll than me.
And what exactly is my playstyle?
PPE
Frackin' weird. But keeps everyone guessing, which I like to do. Then again, I'm kind of an asshole.
So you'll use colorful words like 'asshole' but you won't use a certain colorful word in place of 'frackin'?'
Perhaps it was an intentional reference.
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Actually I wish I could emulate RRs playstyle, but I don't think I could pull it off.
Don't worry WW, you're still a better troll than me.
And what exactly is my playstyle?
PPE
Frackin' weird. But keeps everyone guessing, which I like to do. Then again, I'm kind of an asshole.
So you'll use colorful words like 'asshole' but you won't use a certain colorful word in place of 'frackin'?'
Perhaps it was an intentional reference.
To Battlestar Galactica?
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Obviously
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We should lynch someone, 'cause that's fun.
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Also, Happy New Year's.
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Also, Happy New Year's.
Happy New Year's. And no lynching today, that's no fun.
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We should lynch Ghacob today.
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We should lynch Ghacob today.
That's weird, this didn't show up in the 'new replies to my posts' area.
I can't/won't take a stand on the Ghacob thing as I've never played with him so I don't know his meta/tells. However, I still think a no lynch is a good idea. I'm going to push that for a while.
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We should lynch Ghacob today.
That's weird, this didn't show up in the 'new replies to my posts' area.
I can't/won't take a stand on the Ghacob thing as I've never played with him so I don't know his meta/tells. However, I still think a no lynch is a good idea. I'm going to push that for a while.
If you is gladiator, make it between you and no lynch ;)
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Sorry that I've been missing. I really thought I'd posted but apparently not.
First, happy new year!
Second, hey adk, thanks for joining us. Re. Your long post, you know I said turnup not turnip right? As regards to my hedging, would you say that hedging with regards to a weird mass alignment claim plan is an alignment tell? I don't think so.
There's a few other things for me to catch up on, but the thing I remember wanting to say is that I think chairs's vote on RR is scummy. He's played with RR before and should know better.
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RR, a no lynch is a terrible idea. Please vote for someone.
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Teproc feels scummy to me but I don't know why so I'm going to try to find some quotes of his that I think might be the reason why he seems scummy.
Disclaimer: by definition I'm cherry picking here.
also note that RR has claimed to know several things about me in my QT, so I don't think the 'he has a QT with gkrieg' thing was necessarily an accident. I think he might be fishing for something. I don't know what, though.
Are you asking us to note stuff happening inyour QT ? because that's pretty demanding.
This seems like an intentional misunderstanding to me. That does seem like something that scum would do in order to portray other people as scummy. I don't know that I would go for something as obvious as that, as scum, but there it is.
SS, claim your alignment now, please.
I support this.
Ash pushing for an alignment claim feels like ash!ash. Teproc doing the same feels like scumwantingclaims!teproc.
The more I think about it, the more I'm in favor of ash's plan in general by the way. Even without additional clarification, though that'd be nice too.
Look at me, I'm capable of changing my mind and progressing! Except I'm not actually changing my position...
In other news, note to self: SS is town.
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I actually did change my mind, I was initially wanting more info before deciding, now I'm completely in favor.
As for an intentional misunderstanding... what is even the benefit in that ?
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Did RR claim Gladiator? I think he did.
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Did RR claim Gladiator? I think he did.
That or he stumbled on it randomly whe browsing mafiascum
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We should lynch someone, 'cause that's fun.
Why'd you unvote silver ? Disappearing when your wagon is about to reach dangerous territory is scummy.
And I'd still like him to claim his alignment, regardless of where his wagon is.
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Sorry that I've been missing. I really thought I'd posted but apparently not.
First, happy new year!
Second, hey adk, thanks for joining us. Re. Your long post, you know I said turnup not turnip right? As regards to my hedging, would you say that hedging with regards to a weird mass alignment claim plan is an alignment tell? I don't think so.
There's a few other things for me to catch up on, but the thing I remember wanting to say is that I think chairs's vote on RR is scummy. He's played with RR before and should know better.
Hedging in general is scummy.
We should lynch someone, 'cause that's fun.
Why'd you unvote silver ? Disappearing when your wagon is about to reach dangerous territory is scummy.
And I'd still like him to claim his alignment, regardless of where his wagon is.
Is silver in "dangerous" territory? His wagon doesn't seem terribly strong to me.
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vote: Haddock
Just because you say you're cherry picking doesn't make it any less scummy
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Did RR claim Gladiator? I think he did.
OK but do we believe him?
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Did RR claim Gladiator? I think he did.
OK but do we believe him?
Doesn't really matter what you believe, your personal belief does not change my role.
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Did RR claim Gladiator? I think he did.
OK but do we believe him?
Doesn't really matter what you believe, your personal belief does not change my role.
You know, all this mistery isn't that funny, it's mostly annoying.
Are you a Gladiator ?
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Did RR claim Gladiator? I think he did.
OK but do we believe him?
Doesn't really matter what you believe, your personal belief does not change my role.
You know, all this mistery isn't that funny, it's mostly annoying.
Are you a Gladiator ?
Nope.
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Okay, I'm done screwing around. Even though it makes me look towny, this is the least helpful I have ever been.
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Okay, I'm done screwing around. Even though it makes me look towny, this is the least helpful I have ever been.
Here's a question: who do you think is scum?
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Okay, I'm done screwing around. Even though it makes me look towny, this is the least helpful I have ever been.
Here's a question: who do you think is scum?
On day one it's next to impossible to tell. I will tell you who I have town reads on:
Me
ADK
Teproc
Ashersky
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vote: Haddock
Just because you say you're cherry picking doesn't make it any less scummy
Picking out scummy quotes from people is not scummy this early in the game. If a player has a game's worth of townyour play behind them then picking out scummy quotes of people is scummy. This early on, any case is a case.
ADK, what do you think of teproc?
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vote: Haddock
Just because you say you're cherry picking doesn't make it any less scummy
Picking out scummy quotes from people is not scummy this early in the game. If a player has a game's worth of townyour play behind them then picking out scummy quotes of people is scummy. This early on, any case is a case.
ADK, what do you think of teproc?
Teproc is town. The points you made were pretty weak, and kind of felt like "I need to make a case on someone".
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Haddock is my top scum read!
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vote: Haddock
Just because you say you're cherry picking doesn't make it any less scummy
Picking out scummy quotes from people is not scummy this early in the game. If a player has a game's worth of townyour play behind them then picking out scummy quotes of people is scummy. This early on, any case is a case.
ADK, what do you think of teproc?
Seems towny to me. Not someone I want to Lynch day one.
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vote: Haddock
Just because you say you're cherry picking doesn't make it any less scummy
Picking out scummy quotes from people is not scummy this early in the game. If a player has a game's worth of townyour play behind them then picking out scummy quotes of people is scummy. This early on, any case is a case.
ADK, what do you think of teproc?
Teproc is town. The points you made were pretty weak, and kind of felt like "I need to make a case on someone".
Well I cant stop you feeling what you feel. But yeah im aware its a weak case which is why im not voting him. Just wanted to get my thoughts out there.
2 people are still voting SS and I still have no idea why.
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Vote: chairs
Until he gives us some actual feedback, analysis, reads, something.
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Just double checked the last vote count and the other people on chairs could easily be there to park a vote on the same premise I am using but I will add I have more than policy in mind here. I am specifically interested in hearing from chairs.
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Why did the silverspawn wagon go away ? It was a great wagon.
I don't understand people voting for chairs for lurking. Not only is chairs known for lurking ine very other game, it's a particularly hard time of the year here.
Haddock is pretty scummy, I'll give you guys that. Still like silver more though.
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Why did the silverspawn wagon go away ? It was a great wagon.
I don't understand people voting for chairs for lurking. Not only is chairs known for lurking ine very other game, it's a particularly hard time of the year here.
Haddock is pretty scummy, I'll give you guys that. Still like silver more though.
What's the case against him? His behavior toward RR in their Neighborhood?
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Why did the silverspawn wagon go away ? It was a great wagon.
I don't understand people voting for chairs for lurking. Not only is chairs known for lurking ine very other game, it's a particularly hard time of the year here.
Haddock is pretty scummy, I'll give you guys that. Still like silver more though.
What's the case against him? His behavior toward RR in their Neighborhood?
You have no idea what happened in that neighborhood. Whenever I close my eyes, I see our neighborhood. It will haunt me until I die.
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Why did the silverspawn wagon go away ? It was a great wagon.
I don't understand people voting for chairs for lurking. Not only is chairs known for lurking ine very other game, it's a particularly hard time of the year here.
Haddock is pretty scummy, I'll give you guys that. Still like silver more though.
What's the case against him? His behavior toward RR in their Neighborhood?
His behavior in the thread. Mainly pushing RR for a case that is non-existent : RR is doing what he does. Sure, could replicate that as scum, but it's not a reason to lynch him in and of itself. Also, he disappeared when his wagon was building it up and everyone forgot about him and went on to oher wagons.
And I want him to claim his alignment, for reasons I'll discuss... once he claims his alignment.
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I'm with Teproc on this.
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I'm with Teproc on this.
So you think I'm town?
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Why did the silverspawn wagon go away ? It was a great wagon.
I don't understand people voting for chairs for lurking. Not only is chairs known for lurking ine very other game, it's a particularly hard time of the year here.
Haddock is pretty scummy, I'll give you guys that. Still like silver more though.
What's the case against him? His behavior toward RR in their Neighborhood?
His behavior in the thread. Mainly pushing RR for a case that is non-existent : RR is doing what he does. Sure, could replicate that as scum, but it's not a reason to lynch him in and of itself. Also, he disappeared when his wagon was building it up and everyone forgot about him and went on to oher wagons.
And I want him to claim his alignment, for reasons I'll discuss... once he claims his alignment.
I think ss pushed him for the case that he was really weird in their QT which is warranted. I think I would've responded the same way after hearing how that neighborhood went. D1 wagons are usually like that, once someone disappears for a while, people think their reasons aren't very good and move to someone else.
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D1 wagons are usually like that, once someone disappears for a while, people think their reasons aren't very good and move to someone else.
Well yeah. I'm saying that disappearing is something scum does because they know it's a good way to get rid of pressure if you do it at the right time.
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D1 wagons are usually like that, once someone disappears for a while, people think their reasons aren't very good and move to someone else.
Well yeah. I'm saying that disappearing is something scum does because they know it's a good way to get rid of pressure if you do it at the right time.
I like silver as a possible D1 lynch but I think haddock is better
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oh hey I'm back
er... not claiming my alignment until ash explains his plan.
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@Teproc: you seem to misunderstand what I was doing. I wanted to push RR into a corner, because pressured!RR likes to make himself obv!town and I like ICs. The most likely outcome was always for me to end up with a strong townread.
Unfortunately, this didn't work, and I now have a... hm, almost null read on him. Slight scum if anything.
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@Teproc: you seem to misunderstand what I was doing. I wanted to push RR into a corner, because pressured!RR likes to make himself obv!town and I like ICs. The most likely outcome was always for me to end up with a strong townread.
Unfortunately, this didn't work, and I now have a... hm, almost null read on him. Slight scum if anything.
Of course you do! We'll talk about this alone.
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@Teproc: you seem to misunderstand what I was doing. I wanted to push RR into a corner, because pressured!RR likes to make himself obv!town and I like ICs. The most likely outcome was always for me to end up with a strong townread.
Unfortunately, this didn't work, and I now have a... hm, almost null read on him. Slight scum if anything.
Ya I like what ss tried to do here.
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@Teproc: you seem to misunderstand what I was doing. I wanted to push RR into a corner, because pressured!RR likes to make himself obv!town and I like ICs. The most likely outcome was always for me to end up with a strong townread.
Unfortunately, this didn't work, and I now have a... hm, almost null read on him. Slight scum if anything.
Ya I like what ss tried to do here.
But it didn't work! So jokes on you!
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@Teproc: you seem to misunderstand what I was doing. I wanted to push RR into a corner, because pressured!RR likes to make himself obv!town and I like ICs. The most likely outcome was always for me to end up with a strong townread.
Unfortunately, this didn't work, and I now have a... hm, almost null read on him. Slight scum if anything.
Ya I like what ss tried to do here.
But it didn't work! So jokes on you!
It didn't work for me. Other players have strong town reads on you.
I just hope those are accurate.
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@Teproc: you seem to misunderstand what I was doing. I wanted to push RR into a corner, because pressured!RR likes to make himself obv!town and I like ICs. The most likely outcome was always for me to end up with a strong townread.
Unfortunately, this didn't work, and I now have a... hm, almost null read on him. Slight scum if anything.
Ya I like what ss tried to do here.
But it didn't work! So jokes on you!
It didn't work for me. Other players have strong town reads on you.
I just hope those are accurate.
Oh, they are.
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@Teproc: you seem to misunderstand what I was doing. I wanted to push RR into a corner, because pressured!RR likes to make himself obv!town and I like ICs. The most likely outcome was always for me to end up with a strong townread.
Unfortunately, this didn't work, and I now have a... hm, almost null read on him. Slight scum if anything.
Ya I like what ss tried to do here.
But it didn't work! So jokes on you!
It didn't work for me. Other players have strong town reads on you.
I just hope those are accurate.
then what are you complaining about?
Oh, they are.
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I'm complaining?
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oh hey I'm back
er... not claiming my alignment until ash explains his plan.
You claiming alignment is unrelated to my plan.
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oh hey I'm back
er... not claiming my alignment until ash explains his plan.
You claiming alignment is unrelated to my plan.
oh okay. In that case: no.
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oh hey I'm back
er... not claiming my alignment until ash explains his plan.
You claiming alignment is unrelated to my plan.
wait what? i thought the whole plan was to claim alignments and stuff. now I'm really confused.
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oh hey I'm back
er... not claiming my alignment until ash explains his plan.
You claiming alignment is unrelated to my plan.
wait what? i thought the whole plan was to claim alignments and stuff. now I'm really confused.
That's the plan.
SS is unrelated because I think it's possible to catch him in a lie now.
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oh hey I'm back
er... not claiming my alignment until ash explains his plan.
You claiming alignment is unrelated to my plan.
oh okay. In that case: no.
vote: ss
It's clear I've learned to read scum!you. I'd suggest trying to change my mind.
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oh hey I'm back
er... not claiming my alignment until ash explains his plan.
You claiming alignment is unrelated to my plan.
oh okay. In that case: no.
vote: ss
It's clear I've learned to read scum!you. I'd suggest trying to change my mind.
you said I was scum in every game since our argument. After 4 or so games you were right once. That's not evidence. That was just an inevitable thing.
you also said yuma was scum in the tree game; I don't want to take away from that. But your read on me was not impressive, and you're wrong now, so that's likewise not impressive.
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Also, why would I claim? You haven't given me any reason, I'm not under any pressure, claiming for no reason is anti town.
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I'd suggest trying to change my mind.
No thanks.
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Also, why would I claim? You haven't given me any reason, I'm not under any pressure, claiming for no reason is anti town.
I don't know if ash is thinking along the same lines as I am, but basically, I want you to claim because :
- if you claim "correctly" you're very likely to be town
- if you claim "wrong" you're very likely to be scum
Explaining why that is would defeat the purpose of it unfortunately, though I will explain if you do claim. But basically if you're town, there's only upside here, because all it'll do is give you towncred. Yeah you can get NKed now, but if there are protective roles they are more likely to target people who have claimed their alignment (assuming we don't all do it), so there's WIFOM there.
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I don't know if ash is thinking along the same lines as I am, but basically, I want you to claim because :
- if you claim "correctly" you're very likely to be town
- if you claim "wrong" you're very likely to be scum
So you have a PR type of reason?
If that's true, then why does ash know it too? Is that a PR reason also?
You can answer in a way so that scum won't benefit from your answer
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I don't understand why people find SS scummy here. He seems really towny to me.
I could get behind a ghacob vote maybe. I've not played with him before but really anyone lurking that much is lynchable.
Still prefer chairs though. He should know better than to vote RR here.
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Which is most likely here,
Ash and teproc are both scum publicly colluding to get one guy to divulge his alignment?
Or
SS is cornered scum refusing to comply because it will get him caught and instead uses this opportunity to fish for PR info?
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Chairs' outstanding vote is aged sharp cheddar. I'm voting him because I specifically want to hear from him and I don't think I will otherwise.
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Which is most likely here,
Ash and teproc are both scum publicly colluding to get one guy to divulge his alignment?
Or
SS is cornered scum refusing to comply because it will get him caught and instead uses this opportunity to fish for PR info?
neither of them I would think. 2 scum doing a scheme to get one moderately useful information seems hardly worth it.
I think it's more likely that one of them has some type of investigative power and they share a QT
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I don't have a big problem with claiming if teproc thinks there's a good reason, but I want to know that there's a real reason
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I don't have a big problem with claiming if teproc thinks there's a good reason, but I want to know that there's a real reason
There is a good reason, I really can't say more about it though. I will after. I suspect ash is only doing this because if people individually claim their flavor the cost to doing the "everyone claims flavor" goes down and becomes more likely.
@pps : Neither of them, because even if silver is scum he's not exactly cornered.
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I guess I'll say yes, it is a PR type of reason. That should be pretty obvious already though.
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Chairs' outstanding vote is aged sharp cheddar.
I don't know what this means. Aged sharp cheddar is synonymous with "good"? So you think he should be voting RR. I completely disagree.
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Chairs' outstanding vote is aged sharp cheddar.
I don't know what this means. Aged sharp cheddar is synonymous with "good"? So you think he should be voting RR. I completely disagree.
I think it's supposed to mean "old."
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alright, sure. I'm euro game
now I'm conf!town?
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alright, sure. I'm euro game
now I'm conf!town?
Kind of. You're very townie, I'll say that.
Ok so there was a bit of misdirection earlier. I do have a QT with ash. He is a neighborizer and invited me. He is also ameritrash. Basically if you claimed ameritrash, it meant that one of you was lying, because it makes very little sense to have two neighborizers of the same faction. We also discussed it and expected scum!you to fakeclaim Ameritrash anyway because Euro would seem too neat.
unvote
I'm curious what evryone thinks. I think both town factions having a neighborizer makes a lot of sense in the setup. It's possible scum has one (and it could be one of the two), but the more I think about it, the less I believe that. I think thismakes both ash and silver pretty damn townie.
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Also, I hope this demonstrates the value there is in alignment claiming; By forcing people to claim alignments early, we can analyze stuff much better : I expect this whole thing to be worth a lot, and I think everyone alignment claiming would make fakeclaims much tougher for scum in general.
Sorry if it's underwhelming. It would have been a lot more effective had you claimed ameritrash, but oh well.
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Also, vote: Haddock. Completely ignoring the whole situation is what I'd expect scum to do here, if you and ash are both town, and that's mostly what he's done.
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unvote
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ah, makes sense.
except - why would scum be more likely to claim euro?
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except - why would scum be more likely to claim euro?
Because it's green, I suppose.
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Wait, Ash created the neighborhood and invited Teproc? And Silver created the other one? Why choose RR?
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Euro is the green faction. It's kind of the "default" town faction. It's rather unclear from the setup if euro and ameritrash are actually equal factions, and I think it'd be less surprising to have more Euros than Ameritrash than the other way around. Now that it's been said it's all WIFOM, but there you go.
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Also, vote: Haddock. Completely ignoring the whole situation is what I'd expect scum to do here, if you and ash are both town, and that's mostly what he's done.
Two things.
First, is it the "you trying to make ss claim" thing that you're accusing me of ignoring? I really didn't ignore that, I literally just now asked why ss is being voted and said he was towny. It seemed to me that making him claim only made sense if we thought he was scummy. I couldn't possibly have known about the neighbourising shenanigans.
Secondly, you have nothing to say about the many many other players who have actually made no comment about SS recently?
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Now that it's been said it's all WIFOM, but there you go.
Unless I'm misunderstanding the meaning of Wifom this would seem to imply that you somehow have extra knowledge of the numbers of each faction. Is this the case?
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Wait, Ash created the neighborhood and invited Teproc? And Silver created the other one? Why choose RR?
RR is most likely to give his alignment away
but why target Teproc?
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Also, vote: Haddock. Completely ignoring the whole situation is what I'd expect scum to do here, if you and ash are both town, and that's mostly what he's done.
Two things.
First, is it the "you trying to make ss claim" thing that you're accusing me of ignoring? I really didn't ignore that, I literally just now asked why ss is being voted and said he was towny. It seemed to me that making him claim only made sense if we thought he was scummy. I couldn't possibly have known about the neighbourising shenanigans.
Secondly, you have nothing to say about the many many other players who have actually made no comment about SS recently?
Vote: Haddock
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Also, vote: Haddock. Completely ignoring the whole situation is what I'd expect scum to do here, if you and ash are both town, and that's mostly what he's done.
Two things.
First, is it the "you trying to make ss claim" thing that you're accusing me of ignoring? I really didn't ignore that, I literally just now asked why ss is being voted and said he was towny. It seemed to me that making him claim only made sense if we thought he was scummy. I couldn't possibly have known about the neighbourising shenanigans.
Secondly, you have nothing to say about the many many other players who have actually made no comment about SS recently?
You didn't comment on wether or not he should actually claim. It was pretty clear that there were reasons other than "silver is scummy" for that, and you chose not to comment on that.
Others didn't comment on it, but you posted as it was a main topic of conversationand declined to.
Also, your case on me does seem forced. And I usually got townie feelings on people voting for me, so that fact that I'm not here is relevant, to me at least.
PPE : I don't. WIFOM is Wine In Front Of Me, it's basically multiple-levels thinking. Ie "It would be so obvious for me to do that so i'll do the other thing, but then that other thing becomes obvious so I'll do the first one" etc. In this case, because I've established that claiming Euro seems safer, scum knows they're expected to claim Euro, so they might claim Ameritrash, but then again... etc. Obviously this is assuming people agree with me that Euro seems like the safer claim, which they might not I suppose.
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Wait, Ash created the neighborhood and invited Teproc? And Silver created the other one? Why choose RR?
RR is most likely to give his alignment away
but why target Teproc?
I'll let ash take that one (though I did ask him of course), but really, it's a damn shame I've never gotten to be in a neighborhood before this game. I love QTs.
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I disagree that scum would be more likely to claim one alignment over the other, but I think Silver is townie anyway so it's a moot point.
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Also, vote: Haddock. Completely ignoring the whole situation is what I'd expect scum to do here, if you and ash are both town, and that's mostly what he's done.
Two things.
First, is it the "you trying to make ss claim" thing that you're accusing me of ignoring? I really didn't ignore that, I literally just now asked why ss is being voted and said he was towny. It seemed to me that making him claim only made sense if we thought he was scummy. I couldn't possibly have known about the neighbourising shenanigans.
Secondly, you have nothing to say about the many many other players who have actually made no comment about SS recently?
You didn't comment on wether or not he should actually claim. It was pretty clear that there were reasons other than "silver is scummy" for that, and you chose not to comment on that.
Others didn't comment on it, but you posted as it was a main topic of conversationand declined to.
Also, your case on me does seem forced. And I usually got townie feelings on people voting for me, so that fact that I'm not here is relevant, to me at least.
PPE : I don't. WIFOM is Wine In Front Of Me, it's basically multiple-levels thinking. Ie "It would be so obvious for me to do that so i'll do the other thing, but then that other thing becomes obvious so I'll do the first one" etc. In this case, because I've established that claiming Euro seems safer, scum knows they're expected to claim Euro, so they might claim Ameritrash, but then again... etc. Obviously this is assuming people agree with me that Euro seems like the safer claim, which they might not I suppose.
It wasn't clear to me at all. You looked like you still wanted ss to claim for no good reason.
And I'm not voting for you. I had a mild gut scummy feel and tried to see if I could figure out why. At no point did I vote for you and I don't really intend to.
I know what wifom stands for. And yeah I see what you mean now.
Vote: Haddock
Sigh... helpful as always.
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Sigh... helpful as always.
True.
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WIFOM is basically seeing through reverse phycology? Good to know.
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WIFOM is basically seeing through reverse phycology? Good to know.
WIFOM is reverse psychology.
@Haddock : You not voting for me makes it even scummier actually.
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WIFOM is basically seeing through reverse phycology? Good to know.
@Haddock : You not voting for me makes it even scummier actually.
I don't see how.
Am I at L-2? Whelp that's closer than I thought.
Not having played an RMM game before I don't know when is a good time to claim, but it does seem tempting at this point. I think I'll give it another irl day or so I think, see what happens.
@WW in particular, I think you've found me scummy on d1 in every single game we've played together. What makes you think you're right this time?
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Wait, Ash created the neighborhood and invited Teproc? And Silver created the other one? Why choose RR?
RR is most likely to give his alignment away
but why target Teproc?
Teproc seems a clear choice to me.
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WIFOM is basically seeing through reverse phycology? Good to know.
@Haddock : You not voting for me makes it even scummier actually.
I don't see how.
Am I at L-2? Whelp that's closer than I thought.
Not having played an RMM game before I don't know when is a good time to claim, but it does seem tempting at this point. I think I'll give it another irl day or so I think, see what happens.
@WW in particular, I think you've found me scummy on d1 in every single game we've played together. What makes you think you're right this time?
This time? Wasn't I right before?
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I like how the SS thing played out especially since I was reading him town to begin with. I can still fathom a teproc/ash scum team but it seems far fetched... which is why I can fathom it, actually.
What's the case on haddock, and can we get a vote count?
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AFAICT haddock is L-3.
Teproc, awacky, withers, gkrieg, adk
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So far PPS and RR are strong town reads for me.
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Haddock was/is hedging on the alignment claiming issue, pushed a case on teproc without voting for him, is jumping pretty quickly to claiming.
He seems like he's getting grouchy, which might be a town tell depending on the player, but that's a pretty minor point.
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This time? Wasn't I right before?
You've found me scummy in every game and been correct once.
And don't avoid the question.
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Did a haddock reread and while nothing really jumps out at me I sort of agree with others on his wagon and I think it might be the best we can get for D1. Still want to hear from chairs. Intent to hammer haddock supposing nothing else crops up. I want the components from the hammer.
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pps, are you still opposed to the "everyone claims their alignment" plan ? You were the only real holdout with Awaclus IIRC.
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Haddock was/is hedging on the alignment claiming issue, pushed a case on teproc without voting for him, is jumping pretty quickly to claiming.
He seems like he's getting grouchy, which might be a town tell depending on the player, but that's a pretty minor point.
This is all wifom if I say it, so I didn't want to. But it should be noted that hedging is firmly within my d1 meta. People who've played with me before should confirm this. Teproc in particular should confirm this if he's town.
And grouchy? I'm shooting myself in the foot here, but I wouldn't say that I'm grouchy. When I'm grouchy you'll know it. I'm a bit surprised by teprocs vote, but otherwise I'm completely used to people finding me scummy on d1.
PPE. Pps, you're aware that I'm not close to L-1, right? Hammering is not a thing yet.
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Hedging isn't scummy anyway.
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I'm surprised you'd think I could comment on your meta when, you know, we've played exactly one game together and I'm not even allowed to talk about it.
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PPE. Pps, you're aware that I'm not close to L-1, right? Hammering is not a thing yet.
Yes, I am the one who reread enough to post your vote count. Whoever dies today I intend to hammer. So by stating intent I am increasing your vote count without getting into a line thus depriving me of the hammerer's spoils.
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PPE. Pps, you're aware that I'm not close to L-1, right? Hammering is not a thing yet.
Yes, I am the one who reread enough to post your vote count. Whoever dies today I intend to hammer. So by stating intent I am increasing your vote count without getting into a line thus depriving me of the hammerer's spoils.
I don't like that. Vote if you're going to vote, but you're only making rereads and accountability harder. If you really want to be the hammerer you can unvote when someone states intent to hammer or something.
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pps, are you still opposed to the "everyone claims their alignment" plan ? You were the only real holdout with Awaclus IIRC.
Does the plan still work D2? Is is significantly less empowered to wait D2? I'm not wholly opposed to it but I don't see massive utility in doing it D1. Typically, mass claims are later game strategies with good reason. I would go so far as to say I am not interested in doing it today. Even if everyone else does it does it break the plan if I don't today?
So many questions, thus so much hesitance.
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PPE. Pps, you're aware that I'm not close to L-1, right? Hammering is not a thing yet.
Yes, I am the one who reread enough to post your vote count. Whoever dies today I intend to hammer. So by stating intent I am increasing your vote count without getting into a line thus depriving me of the hammerer's spoils.
I don't like that. Vote if you're going to vote, but you're only making rereads and accountability harder. If you really want to be the hammerer you can unvote when someone states intent to hammer or something.
You do realize I could have simply not said anything at all and just waited for a wagon to get to L-1, right? I think being transparent about my intent is more helpful than remaining secretive about it.
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pps, are you still opposed to the "everyone claims their alignment" plan ? You were the only real holdout with Awaclus IIRC.
Does the plan still work D2? Is is significantly less empowered to wait D2? I'm not wholly opposed to it but I don't see massive utility in doing it D1. Typically, mass claims are later game strategies with good reason. I would go so far as to say I am not interested in doing it today. Even if everyone else does it does it break the plan if I don't today?
So many questions, thus so much hesitance.
The earlier the better, because
a) it forces scum to commit early, which might make it harder for them to commit later
b) it might help some PRs tonight
Also, 3 people have claimed their alignment already. Scum can kill in that if they want (yeah it's also easier for Doctors to protect them but still, the downside is now minimal).
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PPE. Pps, you're aware that I'm not close to L-1, right? Hammering is not a thing yet.
Yes, I am the one who reread enough to post your vote count. Whoever dies today I intend to hammer. So by stating intent I am increasing your vote count without getting into a line thus depriving me of the hammerer's spoils.
I don't like that. Vote if you're going to vote, but you're only making rereads and accountability harder. If you really want to be the hammerer you can unvote when someone states intent to hammer or something.
You do realize I could have simply not said anything at all and just waited for a wagon to get to L-1, right? I think being transparent about my intent is more helpful than remaining secretive about it.
Yeah but talking about voting and voting are two different things. Voting is the only real thing in this game, and it's very important for later rereads. Wagon analysis isn't only about final vote counts.
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Like, let's say you're scum and Haddock is your partner. If you later decide not to vote him, that's going to be less conspicuous than if you vote now and unvote later.
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pps, are you still opposed to the "everyone claims their alignment" plan ? You were the only real holdout with Awaclus IIRC.
Does the plan still work D2? Is is significantly less empowered to wait D2? I'm not wholly opposed to it but I don't see massive utility in doing it D1. Typically, mass claims are later game strategies with good reason. I would go so far as to say I am not interested in doing it today. Even if everyone else does it does it break the plan if I don't today?
So many questions, thus so much hesitance.
The earlier the better, because
a) it forces scum to commit early, which might make it harder for them to commit later
b) it might help some PRs tonight
Also, 3 people have claimed their alignment already. Scum can kill in that if they want (yeah it's also easier for Doctors to protect them but still, the downside is now minimal).
I kind of like the idea of stopping the alignment claiming now. It forcesencourages scum to kill within those who have alignment claimed, which would make it easier for doctors to guess right. Unless people only have effect in their own faction aka doctors can only doctor within their own faction.
PPEs
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I'm following your logic, teproc, and I don't disagree with you. However, my intent is to hammer for components today. That fact is now public knowledge and cannot be retracted. The best I can say is that it would not have to be haddock for my intent to stay the same. Consider everyone in the game but PPS hated because right now it takes one less lynch to get them dead because I will hammer.
I suppose there exists a dichotomy of helpfulness in not knowing my intent versus knowing it. Each instance has exactly inverse pros and cons to the other. I'm okay with that today and will keep this in consideration moving forward.
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pps, are you still opposed to the "everyone claims their alignment" plan ? You were the only real holdout with Awaclus IIRC.
Does the plan still work D2? Is is significantly less empowered to wait D2? I'm not wholly opposed to it but I don't see massive utility in doing it D1. Typically, mass claims are later game strategies with good reason. I would go so far as to say I am not interested in doing it today. Even if everyone else does it does it break the plan if I don't today?
So many questions, thus so much hesitance.
The earlier the better, because
a) it forces scum to commit early, which might make it harder for them to commit later
b) it might help some PRs tonight
Also, 3 people have claimed their alignment already. Scum can kill in that if they want (yeah it's also easier for Doctors to protect them but still, the downside is now minimal).
I kind of like the idea of stopping the alignment claiming now. It forcesencourages scum to kill within those who have alignment claimed, which would make it easier for doctors to guess right. Unless people only have effect in their own faction aka doctors can only doctor within their own faction.
PPEs
Agree with this logic.
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I'm following your logic, teproc, and I don't disagree with you. However, my intent is to hammer for components today. That fact is now public knowledge and cannot be retracted. The best I can say is that it would not have to be haddock for my intent to stay the same. Consider everyone in the game but PPS hated because right now it takes one less lynch to get them dead because I will hammer.
I suppose there exists a dichotomy of helpfulness in not knowing my intent versus knowing it. Each instance has exactly inverse pros and cons to the other. I'm okay with that today and will keep this in consideration moving forward.
Wait, you're saying you're willing to hammer anyone regardless of your read on them ?
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I'm following your logic, teproc, and I don't disagree with you. However, my intent is to hammer for components today. That fact is now public knowledge and cannot be retracted. The best I can say is that it would not have to be haddock for my intent to stay the same. Consider everyone in the game but PPS hated because right now it takes one less lynch to get them dead because I will hammer.
I suppose there exists a dichotomy of helpfulness in not knowing my intent versus knowing it. Each instance has exactly inverse pros and cons to the other. I'm okay with that today and will keep this in consideration moving forward.
Wait, you're saying you're willing to hammer anyone regardless of your read on them ?
More or less, yes. I don't have huge town reads on anyone. The ones I do I don't think are going to get a successful wagon built on them at this point in the game. I suppose if there were say, a 3 man scum team they could all pile onto a 4 vote wagon and effectively get an extra vote for themselves. Based on what I know there is some likelihood that some or all of us are hated today, anyhow so it's not like I am adding some major element to the game unnecessarily.
I will say it is advantageous for town for me to collect components today. Maybe I should have just stayed quiet? Did I mention I think haddock is the best we are likely to get today?
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I understand you like the Haddock lynch, yes. That's not what we're talking about here, though, clearly.
But you're saying you'd hammer anyone for components in general, right ?
So, if you had a very strong town read, would you still hammer ?
You do understand all of this is making me want to deny you a hammer, very strongly ? You're basically giving yourself an excuse to be on future mislynches because of components, which, hey, everyone wants components by the way, right ?
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Actually we should organize things so that someone everyone thinks is townie should always be the hammerer. My pick would probably be RR right now ?
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I hadn't realized how dangerous L-1 is going to be this game. People should feel free to claim a bit earlier than usual I think, because there are going to be quickhammers. The fact that there are two town factions also plays a factor here.
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You do understand all of this is making me want to deny you a hammer, very strongly?
So, you're not town, then?
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I hadn't realized how dangerous L-1 is going to be this game. People should feel free to claim a bit earlier than usual I think, because there are going to be quickhammers. The fact that there are two town factions also plays a factor here.
I guess my revelation has been helpful, then. I just assumed everyone was gunning for hammer components so I called dibs because I believe my use of them will be of most benefit to town tonight, specifically.
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Actually we should organize things so that someone everyone thinks is townie should always be the hammerer. My pick would probably be RR right now ?
Is this specifically to deprive me? Last I checked I was reading just as strongly as RR to the rest of the players.
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Actually we should organize things so that someone everyone thinks is townie should always be the hammerer. My pick would probably be RR right now ?
Otherwise, I agree with the organization bit. I am just arguing that for today we organize it to be me. I am willing to relinquish this to someone else on following days.
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I hadn't realized how dangerous L-1 is going to be this game. People should feel free to claim a bit earlier than usual I think, because there are going to be quickhammers. The fact that there are two town factions also plays a factor here.
I guess my revelation has been helpful, then. I just assumed everyone was gunning for hammer components so I called dibs because I believe my use of them will be of most benefit to town tonight, specifically.
I completely forgot about it, yeah.
Well I don't know. I'm feeling generous, maybe we should let you do it. I'll tell you what : I'll support you getting the hammer if you claim your alignment. Deal ?
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Your insistence on it scares me is all. And I'm also very, very wary of you in general, because I still remember reading MVII. I like that we're not getting Day1VTclaim!PPS though.
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I was not being serious with the deal thing, by the way.
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But you're saying you'd hammer anyone for components in general, right ?
So, if you had a very strong town read, would you still hammer ?
...You're basically giving yourself an excuse to be on future mislynches because of components, which, hey, everyone wants components by the way, right ?
Yes.
Probably, it's D1 and if it is L-1 they are likely toast anyway and can I really trust my reads today? I mean if the mod declared them IC, then no, but guess what, they wouldn't have a full wagon to hammer on then, would they?
I am prioritizing hammering on D1. I see your point and agree we should organize a town-read hammerer each day.
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I'm surprised you'd think I could comment on your meta when, you know, we've played exactly one game together and I'm not even allowed to talk about it.
Oh damn. I forget we can't talk about that game. There was a quote from you that would be relevant.
I don't like that. Vote if you're going to vote, but you're only making rereads and accountability harder. If you really want to be the hammerer you can unvote when someone states intent to hammer or something.
It's probably worth noting that hammer protocol is slightly affected by the components thing. Doesn't necessarily make me like pps''s auto hammer idea, but worth keeping in mind.
PPE. The above is a post I tried to make about fifteen posts back and it failed because my Internet is weak on my phone.
PPS your 2.23 post is just bad. People are right to be mistrustful of someone who is declaring that he will auto hammer almost anyone.
And your 2.25 post is incorrect. You're vaguely towny to me, but RR is by far my strongest townread.
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Right. So, should we do a shadow vote count for hammerer or something ?
Like, vote: RR
I can do unofficial vote counts for that. We don't need an actual majority of course, but basically anyone who hammers without being the leading wagon in the unofficial vote count should be considered scum. Assuming we all participate in this.
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Your insistence on it scares me is all. And I'm also very, very wary of you in general, because I still remember reading MVII. I like that we're not getting Day1VTclaim!PPS though.
Well, see, I thought by being transparent it would alleviate this. I don't see a good scum narrative for my transparency.
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Your insistence on it scares me is all. And I'm also very, very wary of you in general, because I still remember reading MVII. I like that we're not getting Day1VTclaim!PPS though.
Well, see, I thought by being transparent it would alleviate this. I don't see a good scum narrative for my transparency.
You've just explained it. You're a bold enough player to do that.
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I know you said you were kidding about the deal thing but the fact is if I am not allowed to hammer today then protecting my alignment loses a great deal of value. So, if we decide to neuter my power to enact the ashersky plan then I may as well claim my alignment and go that route, then.
The idea, right now, is to get something done tonight with at least a 50 percent chance it cannot be interrupted.
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I'm good with vote: RR as mchammerer.
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Also, teproc, personally, is connected to me. He knows he is connected to someone but he didn't know who. He does now. If he is scum we are now doomed. If he is town then this should get him to shut up and let me hammer today.
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Also, teproc, personally, is connected to me. He knows he is connected to someone but he didn't know who. He does now. If he is scum we are now doomed. If he is town then this should get him to shut up and let me hammer today.
Huh.
That's interesting. How...
I need to think about this a bit.
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Oooh.
And the thing early on was an attempt to communicate this then ? I should have picked up on that, sorry.
Ok.
vote: PPS
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Hammer vote count
pingpongsam (1): Teproc
Roadrunner7671 (1): Haddock
Not Voting (12) : pingpongsam, Witherweaver, chairs, iguanaiguana, Roadrunner7671, Hydrad, gkrieg, silverspawn, EgorK, Awaclus, ashersky, Ghacob
This might be a distraction, but I think it could work.
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I have always failed at the subtlety but only in spite of trying.
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I have always failed at the subtlety but only in spite of trying.
Well, I think it'd have worked if it were any other player. Well, not any other player, but you do have a history of doing crazy things sometimes, so I just thought it was that. It's my bad. We should stop talking about this now.
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I'm not doing the italics thing. I'm never ever doing fake voting. As a matter of fact, policy vote for Teproc. Vote: Teproc
*drops mic*
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RR it's not... that isn't... no.... it's not fake voting, it's like the opposite of that. Policy voting isn't brilliant at the best of times, and that's bad grounds even for a policy vote.
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Oh man the game just got exciting!
PPS can hammer in my eyes. why not.
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I am strongly against non-official voting unless you provide exa,ple where that was helpful for town. All examples I seen were disaster for town
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I am strongly against non-official voting unless you provide exa,ple where that was helpful for town. All examples I seen were disaster for town
well this ones kinda different at least. Since its just about who hammers.
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huh so I'm kinda believing rr,ss,teproc,ash.
all of them are kinda town reads to me this game. I think I'm too trusting.
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I don't super want to lynch Haddock. He should claim
At L-2 though.
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I don't super want to lynch Haddock. He should claim
At L-2 though.
I think if we're gonna have pps around auto hammering I will be forced to do so, yes.
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I don't super want to lynch Haddock. He should claim
At L-2 though.
I think if we're gonna have pps around auto hammering I will be forced to do so, yes.
You're still at L-3, right?
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Vote Count 1.7
Roadrunner7671 (1): chairs
Ghacob (2): EgorK, silverspawn
Ashersky (1): Ghacob
chairs (3): Haddock, Hydrad, pingpongsam
Haddock (5): Witherweaver, A Drowned Kernel, gkrieg, Teproc, Awaclus
Teproc (1): Roadrunner7671
Not Voting (1): ashersky
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. D1 ends Tuesday, January 22nd at 1:20 AM. ~5.5 days of bankable time have been used.
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I am strongly against non-official voting unless you provide exa,ple where that was helpful for town. All examples I seen were disaster for town
well this ones kinda different at least. Since its just about who hammers.
It's kinda hard to convince everyone to revote for real. That's the main problem
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Vote: Haddock
Claim time.
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Vote: Haddock
Claim time.
You know claiming is a bad thing right? It gives scum information they wouldn't normally have.
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Vote: Haddock
Claim time.
You know claiming is a bad thing right? It gives scum information they wouldn't normally have.
It also gives us information without a flip.
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Vote: Haddock
Claim time.
You know claiming is a bad thing right? It gives scum information they wouldn't normally have.
It also gives us information without a flip.
D1 it doesn't really give us any useful information. If he is scum, it makes him claim early, which could be useful. If he is town, it doesn't really do much for us, except give us a tiny bit more information to go off of to determine whether or not we believe him.
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hammer vote: PPS
There's some people whose opinion I'd like to hear before we seal the deal on this lynch. ash in particular I don't think has said much about it yet.
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sure, vote: PPS
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I'm still not townreading RR, so PPS is preferable.
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Although, the better choice would be me.
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I'm still not townreading RR, so PPS is preferable.
What have I done that's been scummy?
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I'm still not townreading RR, so PPS is preferable.
What have I done that's been scummy?
rolefishing, not being super towny, being crazy in ways that look forced.
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I'm still not townreading RR, so PPS is preferable.
What have I done that's been scummy?
rolefishing, not being super towny, being crazy in ways that look forced.
Not being super towny =\= scummy.
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I'm still not townreading RR, so PPS is preferable.
What have I done that's been scummy?
rolefishing, not being super towny, being crazy in ways that look forced.
Not being super towny =\= scummy.
sure, but in your case things are different. you are special!
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I'm still not townreading RR, so PPS is preferable.
What have I done that's been scummy?
rolefishing, not being super towny, being crazy in ways that look forced.
Not being super towny =\= scummy.
sure, but in your case things are different. you are special!
Is anyone going to second this?
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Ok, I had misunderstood what we are voting about. Go on
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Ok, I had misunderstood what we are voting about. Go on
I thought you might have. I'm still not sure I like the idea of anyone getting permission to auto hammer, which is essentially what we're doing even if that's not explicitly what we're saying. But I think
vote: pps
is actually fine until someone explains to me the scum narrative for the interaction between teproc and pps.
This does mean L-2=L-1 so I think I will claim here.
Coming I'm next post.
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*in.
So I am Last night On Earth, the ameritrash Reviving Janitor.
My role isn't that amazing and requires some coordination to work at all, hence why I'm fairly happy to claim here.
It's a two part thing.
The first part is called Eaten Brains. It's a night action where I try to predict the next day's lynch. If I predict correctly then that persons details will be hidden at the flip. Then I can use the other part, which is called "I feel kinda strange" to revive that person on a later day.
As I understand it, it will fail if used on scum, which only makes it better as far as I can tell.
Does everyone else have flavour names assigned to their individual roles? I thought that was kinda awesome.
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so... if we believe this that means we can have you target someone and then lynch them safely and not get punished? that sounds super strong. I'd ask and double check to see if scum roles would get revived also.
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so... if we believe this that means we can have you target someone and then lynch them safely and not get punished? that sounds super strong. I'd ask and double check to see if scum roles would get revived also.
That's the idea yes. I will double check the scum part.
It's not quite as amazing as you say since it involves guessing. I have to target somebody and that person has to get lynched. So we have no flexibility.
Before I claimed, it was just a guess for me to make every night. Now we can try to coordinate of course but there's a good chance I'll be role blocked or redirected...
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so... if we believe this that means we can have you target someone and then lynch them safely and not get punished? that sounds super strong. I'd ask and double check to see if scum roles would get revived also.
That's the idea yes. I will double check the scum part.
It's not quite as amazing as you say since it involves guessing. I have to target somebody and that person has to get lynched. So we have no flexibility.
Before I claimed, it was just a guess for me to make every night. Now we can try to coordinate of course but there's a good chance I'll be role blocked or redirected...
If this is true, you tell us who you guessed last night, we lynch that person, then you use the other part to revive them on D2. We can keep doing this until we hit scum and win the game.
If there are players that can keep you alive and ensure you aren't blocked, they all protect you, game over.
I have to think scum has a way of combating this.
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Did I not mention that its semi one shot? Once ive been successful with the targetting once, I cant target anyone any more.
I didnt get to use it N0.
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I do not believe you, especially since you "forgot" to claim semi one shot part until you were confronted that role is too good. So I semi hammer you Vote: Haddock
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So here's my suggestion, assuming someone sees sense and unvotes before pps arrives.
I think making teproc or pps into an ic is good, since to some extent it brings the other one along for free . So we lynch someone else today, I target one or other of those and we lynch them tomorrow then I resurrect. Barring redirection nonsense that should do the trick fairly well.
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Not a good idea. My alignment does not guarantee pps', and he doesn't seem all that sure aboutmy alignment ether, so you don't get two ICs for the price of one.
unvote
I need to think things through, this seems like an interesting power to have around at the very least, also very specific so not a fakeclaim. Trying to see what the scum role would be that scum!Haddock would elaborate on to get this.
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"Forgetting" a key component after his claim has been pointed out as super overpowered? Scummy.
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Hammer vote count 1.2
pingpongsam (4): Teproc, A Drowned Kernel, silverspawn, Haddock
Not Voting (10) : pingpongsam, Witherweaver, chairs, Roadrunner7671, Hydrad, gkrieg, EgorK, Awaclus, ashersky, Ghacob
@ash : Meh. His claim is very specific. I can see forgeting about that part actually, pretty easily. Yeah, I don't think I want to lynch Haddock anymore.
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I don't particular care to have the hammer myself, but I'd vote Teproc over PPS any day of the week for hammer rights.
I'd also put WW and RR over PPS.
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What gives you such a townread on WW ?
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What gives you such a townread on WW ?
Dunno. Seems like town!WW.
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"Forgetting" a key component after his claim has been pointed out as super overpowered? Scummy.
Give me a break. It's a complex role. I've never played an RMM before. And where's the harm in letting me prove it?
Not a good idea. My alignment does not guarantee pps', and he doesn't seem all that sure aboutmy alignment ether, so you don't get two ICs for the price of one.
I don't really mind who we do this with tbh. It was just an idea. One of the neighbourisers might be just as good an idea.
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I don't really like it. We lose a lynch there. I think it's much better if you genuinely pick someone who we might want to lynch tomorrow.
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I guess lynches are less important in RMM games, but still, I don't know how to play this game if I can't look at interactions.
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I mean fair enough. I think that's tough to predict. I know who my first choice would be. Actually if I don't announce it now, that might be better in case of bus drivers or something. I can say early tomorrow instead if we prefer.
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I believe Haddock which troubles me with hammering him. It looks like a way to create an IC although it also looks like if he dies before the resurrection then we have 2 dead ( assuming the attempt doesn't hit scum in the process).
I think we should seek a different lynch target today if I am following the claim correctly.
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I feel fairly certain there are no redirections in this game but there probably multiple blockers.
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Oh good another game with resurrection.
I don't see what's so awesome about Haddock's claim, especially if we're just using it to confirm that he has it. Why wouldn't scum have resurrection powers?
I feel fairly certain there are no redirections in this game but there probably multiple blockers.
Um, why?
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I don't think we should try to confirm it because
a) we're basically no-lynching to make an IC, which... maybe ?
b) redirection screws everything up
However, this is a very believable claim, and hard to doa s scum. The flavor fits like a glove, including the nameof the actions, it's very specific and I don't know how scum comes up with that. They probably have provided fakeclaims as far as names go, but not roles right ? It could be Haddock's scum role, but whatMass-Market game fits these abilites ?
It all adds up that I don't want to lynch Haddock. I'm not sure who I do want to lynch. Let's try...
vote: Hydrad
He is in the game right ?
Yes he is. Good.
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Oh good another game with resurrection.
I don't see what's so awesome about Haddock's claim, especially if we're just using it to confirm that he has it. Why wouldn't scum have resurrection powers?
I feel fairly certain there are no redirections in this game but there probably multiple blockers.
Um, why?
It's a feeling based on what little I know of other roles and my own. Redirection in these cases would just be bastard in my opinion. Let's just say there's plenty of room for me to be bad wrong on this. I think the design is more intentional, though.
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I have no qualms with a hydrad lynch. He looks awesome swinging from a noose.
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Question for ash and ss:
Hey, what's the deal with you guys? You're both Ameritrash neighborizors? That seems a bit odd. Just based on this being a planned setup, I would expect one of each of the town factions to have one, as opposed to both on one side. What do you all think about that?
And now to be more accusatory:
ash, let's pretend you don't have a plan for the moment, as, since it appears you are still not explaining it, it's not an actual breaking of the set up, as such we should not do and and should not have starting working on it in the first place
So, viewing your actions under the lens of the "plan" is BS: You have done little but rolefish this entire game. You decided to take the leader role, and act as if you're all high and mighty and thinkery and Know What is Going On, and you're going to Lead Us to Victory, when instead you're abusing your power as a well known and respected (not to mention good) mafia player to get away with it.
Wow that was a lot more of an attack then I meant it to be. I got a slight bit too emotional there, but I'll leave that all so why not
I wanted to write an actual case thing
so I'll do that now:
Case:
rolefishing
stalling the clock through taking a leadership role and directing all conversation to theory talk, at least temporarily
There.
Am I voting him yet?
vote: ash
now I am
As for the more "current events"
Haddock lynch: meh, don't really have want to lynch him
Haddock claim: fine enough, doesn't make me want to lynch him
Pretty much null on Haddock, not sure how he usually acts under pressure, that would be good to know. Without knowing that, his reaction + claim and all is pretty WIFOM (he was calm... almost too calm...etc etc)
On deciding a hammerer: it's good that one is decided, I'm still wary of an extraneous voting system though. Is PPS a fine person to do that? hm.
On a Hydrad lynch: He's in this game?
On what PPS is saying: hm.
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You're both Ameritrash neighborizors?
I think you read something wrong. I'm euro
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You're both Ameritrash neighborizors?
I think you read something wrong. I'm euro
wait yes good
that makes sense
then...??
already wavering on some of all of my nonsense up there
I need to reread that bit
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Ash did bring up the bankable time and urge us to lynch sooner rather than later, too.
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Well in that case...
oh dear me am I quesitoning my own case nonsense already?
Well, to explain thought processes:
my brain apparently likes making connections (wow what a sentence)
ss and ash are a "pair" and my brain tells me that they're either both town or both scum, and I can't help but find it...
hmm... maybe it's not too unlikely that they're both scum?
the other pair meanwhile is Teproc + PPS, which my brain again tells me are either both town or both scum
but
working under the assumption that that's true, which it may not be, and everyone is who they claim to be, which they may not be:
The Town:
ash
ss
PPS
Teproc
Haddock
RR
did I miss anyone?
Jesus I am tired or sometihng
I no longer know where I am in all this; I am questioning many things, but brain not working well enough to actually think them fully through
PPE: PPS, when was that?
oh dear me I'm not doing well, you all
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Ghacob, you missed yourself.
Scumslip?
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So, basically, everyone who has claimed something is town in Ghacob's book.
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So, basically, everyone who has claimed something is town in Ghacob's book.
No.
I could be mean with this and be like "well who don't you believe is town, pps?"
so
yeah
that.
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vote: gkrieg
Hydrad is still fine but I think gkrieg is actually scummy.
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I've played with Ghacob before and I don't remember him being like this.
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vote: gkrieg
Hydrad is still fine but I think gkrieg is actually scummy.
How am I scummy?
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So, basically, everyone who has claimed something is town in Ghacob's book.
No.
I could be mean with this and be like "well who don't you believe is town, pps?"
so
yeah
that.
Actually, yes. Your list is precisely those who have claimed something so far. It's just an observation. Taking a factual observation and pressure flipping it seems quite defensive.
I will answer the question, though. I'm not convinced anyone is town other than myself. That said, I think we are best served to lynch outside the list you provided for today... Which sort of lends credence to the ash plan does it not?
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My town read on Teproc is fading slightly, that's two votes is two posts, both on people who haven't really been around for recent conversations. It seems like he's just kind of tossing stuff out there to see what sticks.
I've played with Ghacob before and I don't remember him being like this.
Do you care to vote for him?
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My town read on Teproc is fading slightly, that's two votes is two posts, both on people who haven't really been around for recent conversations. It seems like he's just kind of tossing stuff out there to see what sticks.
Well, the peopleI thought were scummy got suddenly townie.
Also I don't see how gkrieg fits that description. I voted for him because he made an incredibly scummy post after I voted Hydrad, which made him a much more appealing lynch than Hydrad (who I'd still be okay lynching, just less than gkrieg).
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That is a pretty scummy post, I will agree. I just didn't get this "Haddock is suddenly towny" memo that seems to be going around. Of course he claimed at L-1, of course it looks good, that's the point of fakeclaims. Nothing about his behavior seems particularly towny to me.
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That is a pretty scummy post, I will agree. I just didn't get this "Haddock is suddenly towny" memo that seems to be going around. Of course he claimed at L-1, of course it looks good, that's the point of fakeclaims. Nothing about his behavior seems particularly towny to me.
Explain the scumnarrative for his claim. Not the fact that he claimed because duh, but the specificity of his claim.
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I believe he has the power he claims he has, but why does that make him town? Scum has had resurrection powers before, and if he lets town direct his usage of it then he gets tons of towncred. Something exactly like this happened in Buffy, right?
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I got a kinda scummy vibe from haddock there also. But I'm ok with him living for a bit since that's still a useful power if it's real.
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Gah. Ok I think it's a real power now. That seems like a crazy fake claim and I doubt haddock would of thought of it in his first rmm. Although I guess someone could have coached him but still it sounds real. Now the question like ask said is it a town role. It would be a really weird scum role. I guess if it's a scum role it's probably the opposite of what he said and only revives scum members otherwise it's useless.
that just sounds weird.
I guess haddock is towny for me now. Even if I don't want him to be
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It feels like a scummy claim to me.
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I'll take this opportunity to remind everyone I earlier proposed the possibility that scum have mod provided fake claims.
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I'll take this opportunity to remind everyone I earlier proposed the possibility that scum have mod provided fake claims.
Right but this seems like such a risky one. If he tells us who he targeted and they don't get revived he's outed.
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I'll take this opportunity to remind everyone I earlier proposed the possibility that scum have mod provided fake claims.
The whole deal you mean ? With abilities tied to the flavour ? DOubt it. I'm guessing they only get names of games.
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Some thoughts:
Ash I think is town. Targeting Teproc for a neighborhood is a town move. Town!Teproc is the kind of guy you want a neighborhood with as town and don't as scum. Especially for things like coordination, and their powers suggest that's a thing. Ash coming out with a big plan is not a town or scum tell, but the way he's treated it has seemed townie. (As scum he'd probably divulge more details.)
Teproc I think is town after my reread of him. (This was what led me to unvote him, I just didn't say anything at the time.)
Silver I don't understand the townreads. He seems as a good of a lynch as he was before. I'm not sure the claim gives as much towncred as Ash and Teproc suggest.
RR is as always unreadable. I'm guessing more town.
ADK has seemed town, coming in and making good points.
So who is left?
PPS
Haddock
Hydrad
Awaclus (surprisingly quiet)
gkrieg (don't remember anything)
Iguana (he's in this game?!)
Charis (I only know he's in this game because people are voting him)
Egor
Ghacob (he's in this game?!)
I wouldn't oppose anyone on that list.
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Ahha im moving up in the world. I'm just on the edge of wws list where he remembers people. You can now consider me a high content poster.
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I think silver's claim is relatively townie, but also his explanation for going after RR was good, and that was the main scummy thing for him early on.
Big lynch pool. I think mine is (no order)
ADK (who replaced iguana, that's why you can't remember igua)
Hydrad
Awaclus
gkrieg
chairs
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I've played with Ghacob before and I don't remember him being like this.
I most likely was not; this is a product of my mental state; I will be back to normal within a few days with any luck
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If we're doing lynch pools:
Haddock, still. I'm not convinced.
Awaclus, basically just as a default lynch.
gkrieg, he seems to be hanging back with a lot of acti-lurking kind of posts.
Ghacob, similar deal.
WW, I'm mostly null on him but I wouldn't be opposed to his lynch.
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Why am I in no one's lynch pool?
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Why am I in no one's lynch pool?
I don't even know what's going on with you at this point.
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Why am I in no one's lynch pool?
I don't even know what's going on with you at this point.
So why aren't I in the pool?
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Why am I in no one's lynch pool?
I don't even know what's going on with you at this point.
So why aren't I in the pool?
I dunno, really. I'm not feeling your lynch. Congrats, I guess?
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Why am I in no one's lynch pool?
I don't even know what's going on with you at this point.
So why aren't I in the pool?
I dunno, really. I'm not feeling your lynch. Congrats, I guess?
Gee, thanks. But that's really not a good basis for thinking someone is townie.
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Not scummy isn't the same as townie.
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Not scummy isn't the same as townie.
So you have a null read on me, but you refuse to lynch me?
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Not scummy isn't the same as townie.
So you have a null read on me, but you refuse to lynch me?
"Refuse" is a strong word. But this conversation is making you seem townier.
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Not scummy isn't the same as townie.
So you have a null read on me, but you refuse to lynch me?
"Refuse" is a strong word. But this conversation is making you seem townier.
I'm advocating for my own lynch! That's not towny!
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Not scummy isn't the same as townie.
So you have a null read on me, but you refuse to lynch me?
"Refuse" is a strong word. But this conversation is making you seem townier.
I'm advocating for my own lynch! That's not towny!
You're engaging the game and asking questions and challenging people's stances. That is towny.
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I'll take this opportunity to remind everyone I earlier proposed the possibility that scum have mod provided fake claims.
The whole deal you mean ? With abilities tied to the flavour ? DOubt it. I'm guessing they only get names of games.
No, yeah, you're right. I initially took the claim as obvtown. I mean I would contrive some shit like that but not on D1. It's detailed and came quick. I do, however, understand why everyone else seemed less enthusiastic towards it. He got called scummy for leaving out the one shot bit but town or scum that seems a legit restraint and I see more town cred for even bringing it up as an oversight. Scum would just know it would go boom later but the trap was already set so no need to cast any additional doubt and scrutiny on it.
I'm just super paranoid so I have to consider all the possibilities because a guy like me dreams them up.
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Not scummy isn't the same as townie.
So you have a null read on me, but you refuse to lynch me?
"Refuse" is a strong word. But this conversation is making you seem townier.
I'm advocating for my own lynch! That's not towny!
You're engaging the game and asking questions and challenging people's stances. That is towny.
Reverse psychology is a thing you can do.
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Pops quiz:
In order from towniest to scummiest:
TOWN
PPS (IC status)
Teproc (has seemed towny the whole day)
Haddock (the claim and only the claim)
ADK (could be playing scum super well, also he rated me town so confirmation bias) (iguana was a null)
Ashersky (as much as it pains me, could easily slide to scum, his absences even seem towny, here)
Silverspawn (seems ok enough, I think he's within meta and the claim)
RoadRunner (whatever, this guy probably has our game winning power)
NULL
Awaclus (within meta, could scum but isn't exactly scummy, I generally think he is scum always)
Gkrieg13 (just have no clue on him)
Captain Withers (I always think he is scum, I'd think this even if I knew better)
Chairs (no content, needs a prod, if he is scum then he is on easy street, if he is town I hope he logs in to use his night power, he'll, he probably has our game winning power)
SCUM
Hydrad (could be scum, why not is the question)
Egork (not only do I always think he is scum, he usually is and when I read his posts they seem like they probably are)
Ghacob (pretty sure he may actually for real be scum, here... I mean we should lynch him today)
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vote: gkrieg
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Vote Count 1.8
Roadrunner7671 (1): chairs
Ashersky (1): Ghacob
chairs (3): Haddock, Hydrad, pingpongsam
Haddock (5): Witherweaver, A Drowned Kernel, gkrieg, Awaclus, EgorK
Teproc (1): Roadrunner7671
gkreig13 (2): Teproc, silverspawn
Not Voting (1): ashersky
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. D1 ends Tuesday, January 22nd at 1:20 AM. ~7 days of bankable time have been used.
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Chairs (no content, needs a prod, if he is scum then he is on easy street, if he is town I hope he logs in to use his night power, he'll, he probably has our game winning power)
Prod Sent.
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I don't really like the chairs wagon. I agree he has been a super lurker, but I don't think a lurker lynch is good D1.
I think the Haddock claim is towny, but his reaction to more pressure seemed scummy to me. Like he was irritated at himself for not getting the fake claim right.
I'll be more active tomorrow seeing as my normal schedule picks back up again.
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My lynch pool is Haddock and Ghacob.
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Whoever it is, we do need to lynch someone. Our time is much more valuable on later days when we have more to analyze.
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Whoever it is, we do need to lynch someone. Our time is much more valuable on later days when we have more to analyze.
Is this why you are the only one not voting?
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Vote: Ghacob
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popsquiz:
Would lynch: SS, RR, chairs, Ghacob, Hydrad, PPS, EgorK, Awaclus
Rather not lynch: gkrieg, Haddock
Won't lynch: ashersky, Teproc, WW, ADK
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popsquiz:
Would lynch: SS, RR, chairs, Ghacob, Hydrad, PPS, EgorK, Awaclus
Rather not lynch: gkrieg, Haddock
Won't lynch: ashersky, Teproc, WW, ADK
Yay, I made it into someone's lynch pool! But why?
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Would lynch: Ghacob, Haddock
Won't lynch: anyone else
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Would lynch: Ghacob, Haddock
Won't lynch: anyone else
Yes, we heard that already. I actually sorta agree with it.
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popsquiz:
Would lynch: SS, RR, chairs, Ghacob, Hydrad, PPS, EgorK, Awaclus
Rather not lynch: gkrieg, Haddock
Won't lynch: ashersky, Teproc, WW, ADK
Yay, I made it into someone's lynch pool! But why?
Oh you know.
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popsquiz:
Would lynch: SS, RR, chairs, Ghacob, Hydrad, PPS, EgorK, Awaclus
Rather not lynch: gkrieg, Haddock
Won't lynch: ashersky, Teproc, WW, ADK
Yay, I made it into someone's lynch pool! But why?
Oh you know.
Because we're scum partners?
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This game is so full of people with lurky metas.
Chairs, EgorK, Hydrad, to some extent gkrieg and maybe awa too.
For the sake of the game not grinding to a halt I'd probably rather lynch one of them (perhaps not Hydrad or awa) than the active people.
Ghacob counts as an active person as far as I'm concerned, his posts have tended to be fairly big and content-full. I could go with lynching him, but I'd probably rather do something like vote: egor if people aren't interested in a chairs lynch.
Inb4 awa, yes I know you're not up for this lynch, no need to repeat yourself any more. It's a good thing other people are capable of being flexible, isn't it?
PPE. 1
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I've not seen anyone opposed to a Ghacob lynch.
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I'm getting replaced if possible as it's unfair to any team to deal with the reality that I don't have time to post due to circumstances unforeseen at the time I joined the game.
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Would do haddock or ghacob. For the sake of time, vote: Ghacob
Would not lynch chairs
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Meh. Yeah yeah, bankable deadlines, nee dto get a lynch, but I don't like any of these much.
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I'm getting replaced if possible as it's unfair to any team to deal with the reality that I don't have time to post due to circumstances unforeseen at the time I joined the game.
I hope everything is ok!
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Meh. Yeah yeah, bankable deadlines, nee dto get a lynch, but I don't like any of these much.
This is such a ludicrously scummy post that Teproc must be town.
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Meh. Yeah yeah, bankable deadlines, nee dto get a lynch, but I don't like any of these much.
This is such a ludicrously scummy post that Teproc must be town.
How is it scummy ? I don't like those wagons...
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Meh. Yeah yeah, bankable deadlines, nee dto get a lynch, but I don't like any of these much.
This is such a ludicrously scummy post that Teproc must be town.
How is it scummy ? I don't like those wagons...
Scummy was perhaps no the right word.
I mean to say: it's exactly the kind of thing that scum thinks looks super suspicious, so they desperately avoid saying such stuff.
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not*
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Meh. Yeah yeah, bankable deadlines, nee dto get a lynch, but I don't like any of these much.
This is such a ludicrously scummy post that Teproc must be town.
How is it scummy ? I don't like those wagons...
Scummy was perhaps no the right word.
I mean to say: it's exactly the kind of thing that scum thinks looks super suspicious, so they desperately avoid saying such stuff.
The word you're looking for is townie.
I think I'd be fine making that post as scum, but hey I'll take it.
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Meh. Yeah yeah, bankable deadlines, nee dto get a lynch, but I don't like any of these much.
This is such a ludicrously scummy post that Teproc must be town.
How is it scummy ? I don't like those wagons...
I don't find it scummy either. It's perfectly alright to not like the wagons, and the time is only kinda important right now. We need a lynch soon, but it doesn't need to be within the next few hours or anything.
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Wanna lynch gkrieg Haddock ? Or someone else who's scummy ? Liiikee... Awaclus ? We can probably get WW on board.
vote: Awaclus
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vote: awaclus
Always fun.
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Meh. Yeah yeah, bankable deadlines, nee dto get a lynch, but I don't like any of these much.
This is such a ludicrously scummy post that Teproc must be town.
How is it scummy ? I don't like those wagons...
Scummy was perhaps no the right word.
I mean to say: it's exactly the kind of thing that scum thinks looks super suspicious, so they desperately avoid saying such stuff.
Are you saying that it would otherwise look like a partner post?
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Alright then
Vote: Awaclus
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Meh. Yeah yeah, bankable deadlines, nee dto get a lynch, but I don't like any of these much.
This is such a ludicrously scummy post that Teproc must be town.
How is it scummy ? I don't like those wagons...
I don't find it scummy either. It's perfectly alright to not like the wagons, and the time is only kinda important right now. We need a lynch soon, but it doesn't need to be within the next few hours or anything.
I think possibly we're all on the same page here. I'm just bad at making my point.
I absolutely don't want to lynch Awa. I think that's a really bad lynch. This is classic town!Awa, and I'm sticking to my guns on that point this time.
PPE. WW, I'm not sure what you mean, but as far as I can tell: no I'm not saying that.
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Classic town Awaclus doesn't exist. Yeah he's generally less helpful as town, but I do think it seems like a good point in Awaclus' meta cycle for him to be veeery lurky as scum.
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Meh. Yeah yeah, bankable deadlines, nee dto get a lynch, but I don't like any of these much.
This is such a ludicrously scummy post that Teproc must be town.
How is it scummy ? I don't like those wagons...
I don't find it scummy either. It's perfectly alright to not like the wagons, and the time is only kinda important right now. We need a lynch soon, but it doesn't need to be within the next few hours or anything.
I think possibly we're all on the same page here. I'm just bad at making my point.
I absolutely don't want to lynch Awa. I think that's a really bad lynch. This is classic town!Awa, and I'm sticking to my guns on that point this time.
PPE. WW, I'm not sure what you mean, but as far as I can tell: no I'm not saying that.
I don't understand why what Teproc said would be considered scummy in any sense.
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Read my earlier post, WW. Scummy was just a terrible word for me to use and not really what I meant.
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You retconned it to "super suspicious", which I still don't understand. (Nor do I understand how it means something different than "scummy".)
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Well, I'm new. It's just that it's exactly the kind of thing that I would avoid saying as scum, what with us already stretching the budget for D1.
Maybe that's wrong - I've never played a bankable deadlines game either - but whatever, it gave me towny vibes.
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Well, I'm new. It's just that it's exactly the kind of thing that I would avoid saying as scum, what with us already stretching the budget for D1.
Maybe that's wrong - I've never played a bankable deadlines game either - but whatever, it gave me towny vibes.
Why would you avoid saying it? You mean because as scum you'd want to use up the bankable time?
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Why would you avoid saying it? You mean because as scum you'd want to use up the bankable time?
Well, obviously.
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I think scum explicitly wants to say pro-town setup/theory-related things, because they think that they want to appear to have town's best-interest in mind. It's also an easy way to make it look like you're contributing.
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Classic town Awaclus doesn't exist. Yeah he's generally less helpful as town, but I do think it seems like a good point in Awaclus' meta cycle for him to be veeery lurky as scum.
I don't think the first part of this is true. I agree that scum!Awaclus can be lurky, but I think town!Awaclus is more lurky, and says fewer helpful things. I do think that he has good reads as town, but he isn't usually a presence when he is town, compared to when he is scum.
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I also don't want to do a lurker lynch just for the sake of lynching someone. Unless they disappear when pressured, when they were otherwise very active, like ss.
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I'm really bad at explaining myself I think. Let me try again.
Teproc is pointing out that his not liking the current wagons uses up valuable time (note that I'm not saying that he's the only one who doesn't like the current wagons, I think this is completely legit.).
As scum I don't think he would point that out. He'd either go along with the current wagons or not, but I don't think he'd explicitly say "sorry I'm slowing everything down I know this is bad". Which is essentially what Teproc said.
PPE. 2
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I also don't want to do a lurker lynch just for the sake of lynching someone. Unless they disappear when pressured, when they were otherwise very active, like ss.
And you're on the Ghacob wagon, huh ?
Lynching lurkers seems fine to me as long as we're not lynching them just because they're lurking. I want to lynch Awaclus because I think he has a pretty good chance of flipping scum.
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I also don't want to do a lurker lynch just for the sake of lynching someone. Unless they disappear when pressured, when they were otherwise very active, like ss.
And you're on the Ghacob wagon, huh ?
Lynching lurkers seems fine to me as long as we're not lynching them just because they're lurking. I want to lynch Awaclus because I think he has a pretty good chance of flipping scum.
That's fair. Ghacob seems scummy, then when I asked about it, he was stalling. That with the lurking is why I'm voting for him.
I don't feel like Awaclus is scum here. But I'm very against lurker lynches just because they are lurking. Every time I've seen one of those, it turned up town.
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I'm really bad at explaining myself I think. Let me try again.
Teproc is pointing out that his not liking the current wagons uses up valuable time (note that I'm not saying that he's the only one who doesn't like the current wagons, I think this is completely legit.).
As scum I don't think he would point that out. He'd either go along with the current wagons or not, but I don't think he'd explicitly say "sorry I'm slowing everything down I know this is bad". Which is essentially what Teproc said.
PPE. 2
I see, this makes more sense.
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Classic town Awaclus doesn't exist. Yeah he's generally less helpful as town, but I do think it seems like a good point in Awaclus' meta cycle for him to be veeery lurky as scum.
The holidays seem like a good point in most people's meta cycles to be lurky as all alignments.
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Vote: Ghacob
I prefer Ghacob to Awaclus, actually. Posts that he does have are wordy without having too much content. Most of it is about plans. Does some arbitrary grouping together of people into alignments.
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And I may be falling ill, but I don't really feel scum from Awaclus here.
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If even WW isn't in, then Awaclus is probably not happening. Back to
vote: gkrieg
Ghacob isn't ringing any alarm bells to me. He seems familiar, and I'm pretty sure I've only played with town!Ghacob.
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My lynch pool is Haddock and Ghacob.
Would lynch: Ghacob, Haddock
Won't lynch: anyone else
This is lazy play. I am completely fine with an Awaclus lynch.
vote: Awaclus
PPE: There's lurking and there's being unhelpful. It's not a matter of just not posting, it's that when you do post you give us basically nothing.
PPE 2: Why is Ghacob scummier than Awaclus? I mean, neither of them are particularly townie, but why the switch?
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How can I be helpful without changing my vote?
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How can I be helpful without changing my vote?
You can tell us why you are voting for the scummiest person
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How can I be helpful without changing my vote?
You can tell us why you are voting for the scummiest person
Because they're the scummiest person.
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Wait, RR, you're not Finnish are you ?
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Wait, RR, you're not Finnish are you ?
Why do you ask?
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Wait, RR, you're not Finnish are you ?
Why do you ask?
I'll give you a hint : there is another Finnish player in this game.
I was going to ask if you're the lovechild of Awaclus and Eevee, but it's more like Awaclus and Hydrad.
You do see how helpful it could be to, you know, explain why you think whoever you're voting for is scum, right ?
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My lynch pool is Haddock and Ghacob.
Would lynch: Ghacob, Haddock
Won't lynch: anyone else
This is lazy play. I am completely fine with an Awaclus lynch.
vote: Awaclus
PPE: There's lurking and there's being unhelpful. It's not a matter of just not posting, it's that when you do post you give us basically nothing.
PPE 2: Why is Ghacob scummier than Awaclus? I mean, neither of them are particularly townie, but why the switch?
Awaclus just doesn't feel that scummy to me. Him getting after Ghacob and Haddock seems townier (for him), actually.
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Wait, RR, you're not Finnish are you ?
Why do you ask?
I'll give you a hint : there is another Finnish player in this game.
I was going to ask if you're the lovechild of Awaclus and Eevee, but it's more like Awaclus and Hydrad.
You do see how helpful it could be to, you know, explain why you think whoever you're voting for is scum, right ?
What...?
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My lynch pool is Haddock and Ghacob.
Would lynch: Ghacob, Haddock
Won't lynch: anyone else
This is lazy play. I am completely fine with an Awaclus lynch.
vote: Awaclus
PPE: There's lurking and there's being unhelpful. It's not a matter of just not posting, it's that when you do post you give us basically nothing.
PPE 2: Why is Ghacob scummier than Awaclus? I mean, neither of them are particularly townie, but why the switch?
Awaclus just doesn't feel that scummy to me. Him getting after Ghacob and Haddock seems townier (for him), actually.
How so ?
PPE : Your playstyle is a combination of Hydrad and Awaclus. Awaclus is Finnish. So is Eevee, who was my original idea but doesn't fit all that well. It's not a big deal. You contributing something meaningful would bea big deal though.
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Wouldn't that make me an unhelpful lurker?
Aahhh, this makes no sense to me. And now you want a post with content? Please.
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Wouldn't that make me an unhelpful lurker?
Aahhh, this makes no sense to me. And now you want a post with content? Please.
You're townread is slowly fading.
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Wouldn't that make me an unhelpful lurker?
Aahhh, this makes no sense to me. And now you want a post with content? Please.
You're townread is slowly fading.
No offense dude, but your life is sort of on the line (I think). Pushing for a day on RR mislynch should never work, and won't here.
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My lynch pool is Haddock and Ghacob.
Would lynch: Ghacob, Haddock
Won't lynch: anyone else
This is lazy play. I am completely fine with an Awaclus lynch.
vote: Awaclus
PPE: There's lurking and there's being unhelpful. It's not a matter of just not posting, it's that when you do post you give us basically nothing.
PPE 2: Why is Ghacob scummier than Awaclus? I mean, neither of them are particularly townie, but why the switch?
Awaclus just doesn't feel that scummy to me. Him getting after Ghacob and Haddock seems townier (for him), actually.
It's not his choices that I'm concerned about, it's the laziness of his posting.
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My lynch pool is Haddock and Ghacob.
Would lynch: Ghacob, Haddock
Won't lynch: anyone else
This is lazy play. I am completely fine with an Awaclus lynch.
vote: Awaclus
PPE: There's lurking and there's being unhelpful. It's not a matter of just not posting, it's that when you do post you give us basically nothing.
PPE 2: Why is Ghacob scummier than Awaclus? I mean, neither of them are particularly townie, but why the switch?
Awaclus just doesn't feel that scummy to me. Him getting after Ghacob and Haddock seems townier (for him), actually.
It's not his choices that I'm concerned about, it's the laziness of his posting.
So, you have not played with Awaclus, then?
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Wouldn't that make me an unhelpful lurker?
Aahhh, this makes no sense to me. And now you want a post with content? Please.
You're townread is slowly fading.
No offense dude, but your life is sort of on the line (I think). Pushing for a day on RR mislynch should never work, and won't here.
I'm not pushing for your lynch just yet. I'm just saying that the less helpful you are to town, the more likely we are to lynch you. Right now you are being anti-town by refusing to explain reads, when we've already said we need to finish this day. Refusing to change your vote on someone is fine, as long as you get other people to vote with you, or you have a good reason.
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It's not his choices that I'm concerned about, it's the laziness of his posting.
He's lazy as either alignment.
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So, you have not played with Awaclus, then?
Awaclus was my scum partner is the Buffy game and I know he knows his meta well enough to play it deliberately as scum. He's a perfectly good day one lynch, in my opinion.
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My lynch pool is Haddock and Ghacob.
Would lynch: Ghacob, Haddock
Won't lynch: anyone else
This is lazy play. I am completely fine with an Awaclus lynch.
vote: Awaclus
PPE: There's lurking and there's being unhelpful. It's not a matter of just not posting, it's that when you do post you give us basically nothing.
PPE 2: Why is Ghacob scummier than Awaclus? I mean, neither of them are particularly townie, but why the switch?
Awaclus just doesn't feel that scummy to me. Him getting after Ghacob and Haddock seems townier (for him), actually.
How so ?
PPE : Your playstyle is a combination of Hydrad and Awaclus. Awaclus is Finnish. So is Eevee, who was my original idea but doesn't fit all that well. It's not a big deal. You contributing something meaningful would bea big deal though.
I probably can't explain much more. Reread him yourself (or maybe you have and you just don't agree). To me it seemed like something looked scummy about Ghacob and he got set on that, which is common from town!Awaclus. He tries to emulate it as scum!Awaclus as well. But then he seems to agree with what everyone is saying about Haddock and responds to a specific scummy post from him. Seemed more of an "I actually find you scummy" than a "I need to pretend to be finding people scummy" thing.
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It's not his choices that I'm concerned about, it's the laziness of his posting.
The fact that it doesn't take too long for you to read doesn't mean the thought process behind it didn't take me a long time. In fact, some of that time was spent on conveying the essence of my thoughts as efficiently (i.e. shortly) as possible.
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Wow, I haven't seen a BS response like that in quite some time.
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Wow, I haven't seen a BS response like that in quite some time.
🤔
You could be right, but I don't want a mislynch. I also don't want to waste bankable time. So whatevs, I'm sure y'all know better than me.
Vote: Awaclus
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I'm really not convinced by this.
My townreads go something like
RR>Awa>SS>everyone else
right now.
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I'm really not convinced by this.
My townreads go something like
RR>Awa>SS>everyone else
right now.
What did I do to become your top town read?
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Wow, I haven't seen a BS response like that in quite some time.
It's not bullshit. I spend a ton of time writing stuff and deleting it when I'm not satisfied with how it flows. Especially when I have ideas that are difficult to put in words, it takes several attempts to get it right, and it's not at all uncommon for me to spend a lot of time trying to figure out how to word something, only to conclude that there isn't really a good way to word it so I just have to leave that idea out. Oftentimes I'm working on multiple posts at the same time so that when I have difficulties with one, I can switch to another one for a while and soon I can switch back and approach the post with a fresh mindset. Sometimes I have to take a break from writing posts and do something else entirely.
So far I've spent 35-40 minutes writing this post and another post that I'm working on simultaneously. Currently, the other post has two lines but I hope to find a decent way to make it a one-liner before I post it.
This (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11642.msg518976#msg518976) is what my posts look like when I try to write them as fast as I can. In retrospect, if I had given that post sufficient thought, I'm pretty sure I would have ended up not posting it at all since the ideas presented in it weren't really worth the long explanations they required.
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gkrieg is good. Awaclus I have no idea.
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I'm pretty sure I would have ended up not posting it at all since the ideas presented in it weren't really worth the long explanations they required.
every story about a dream is worth posting per default
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RR I think is finally becoming a cautious town read, although the constant 'why do you townread me' thing is pretty annoying
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Currently, the other post has two lines but I hope to find a decent way to make it a one-liner before I post it.
I did it!
Turns out the engine really sucks on this board when your opponent isn't Lord Bottington. Against the bot, it's better to go for the engine though.
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We should have an outside thread dedicated to discussing how to play mafia with Awaclus, because having the same conversation every game isn'tparticularly useful.
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RR I think is finally becoming a cautious town read, although the constant 'why do you townread me' thing is pretty annoying
Maybe if I got a straight answer I could stop asking!
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whoa a wall of text from awaclus. thats interesting... I have no idea if thats town or scum though. leaning very slight town?
As for gkrieg or ghacob... I am perfectly fine lynching either one today... but that might be just so that I stop mixing them up in my head.
lets go Vote: ghacob
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How are you mixing me up with Ghacob?
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How are you mixing me up with Ghacob?
I don't know... both your names start with G! thats impossible to tell apart
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How are you mixing me up with Ghacob?
I don't know... both your names start with G! thats impossible to tell apart
I guess that is warranted. We act totally different though
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How are you mixing me up with Ghacob?
I don't know... both your names start with G! thats impossible to tell apart
I guess that is warranted. We act totally different though
Eh...
Oh wait, posts without content are scummy.
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Vote Count 1.10
Roadrunner7671 (1): chairs
Ashersky (1): Ghacob
chairs (1): pingpongsam
Haddock (2): Awaclus, EgorK
gkreig13 (2): silverspawn, Teproc
Ghacob (3): gkreig13, Witherweaver, Hydrad
EgorK (1): Haddock
Awaclus (3): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel, Roadrunner7671
Not Voting (0):
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. D1 ends Tuesday, January 22nd at 1:20 AM. ~7.5 days of bankable time have been used.
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vote: Awaclus
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Well my EgorK vote is doing nothing and I prefer ghacob to awa, so let's not waste time I guess. vote: ghacob
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Why can't Chairs Unvote for me? He checked in earlier, is that too much to ask? Poor Chairs, I've never really gotten to play with him.
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Why can't Chairs Unvote for me? He checked in earlier, is that too much to ask? Poor Chairs, I've never really gotten to play with him.
ou should worry less about who's voting for you and worry more about finding scum.
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Why can't Chairs Unvote for me? He checked in earlier, is that too much to ask? Poor Chairs, I've never really gotten to play with him.
ou should worry less about who's voting for you and worry more about finding scum.
We already found scum, we just need people to vote for him. I'll start:
Vote: Ghacob
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Why can't Chairs Unvote for me? He checked in earlier, is that too much to ask? Poor Chairs, I've never really gotten to play with him.
ou should worry less about who's voting for you and worry more about finding scum.
We already found scum, we just need people to vote for him. I'll start:
Vote: Ghacob
thats suddenly confident from you. especially since you were wanting a no lynch before?
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thats suddenly confident from you. especially since you were wanting a no lynch before?
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Vote: Ghacob
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That's L-2!
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thats suddenly confident from you. especially since you were wanting a no lynch before?
Well, that's not going to happen.
And is confidence scummy now?
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I'm comfortable with vote: Ghacob actually. And I'd prefer if we followed through with having PPS hammer.
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Bye bye Ghacob. It was nice to meet you! Sorry for lynching you! Unless you're scum, then I'm not so sorry.
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I'm also fine with the pps hammer.
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unvote actually now that I take a closer look at who else is on this wagon.
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unvote actually now that I take a closer look at who else is on this wagon.
What's that supposed to mean?
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I am around for an hour or so if we are ready to do this.
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I agree that the Ghacob wagon has the worst looking voters but I also think his lynch makes the most sense in light of what we learned today. So even if it is a scum driven mislynch I see it as informative. Also, if I am not mistaken, we have to lynch somebody today, right?
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I agree that the Ghacob wagon has the worst looking voters but I also think his lynch makes the most sense in light of what we learned today. So even if it is a scum driven mislynch I see it as informative. Also, if I am not mistaken, we have to lynch somebody today, right?
I think no lynch is possible if we run the deadine... but then we have exactly three days every day from now on. We can also vote no lynch, but that's terrible (I know no one really adressed it RR, but believe me, every single person who played mafia had that idea at some point and it's not a good idea day 1).
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vote: ghacob
I thought about trying to steal the hammer, but hey, if you want to paint a target on your back PPS, go for it.
(You do realize scum might have a component-stealing power?)
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Also, if they kill you, they get your components, right?
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I'm assuming silver has thought about that already.
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I meant PPS, obviously.
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Vote: Ghacob
I knew ashersky was thinking about robbing the hammer. It takes one to know one.
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Fairly sure this is in fact not the hammer.
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Yep, ADK unvoted which means he's at L-1 right now.
Scum points to anyone who hammer now. Anyone who cared agreed to let pps take it.
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Still think that's the hammer...
Gkrieg, WW, Hydrad, Haddock, RR, Awaclus, ashersky, PPS
That's 8.
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Also, if they kill you, they get your components, right?
Yep, which would be super sweet.
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Oh, I missed Haddock's vote. Ok then.
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Thread Locked
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Vote Count 1.FINAL
Roadrunner7671 (1): chairs
Ashersky (1): Ghacob
Haddock (1): EgorK
gkreig13 (2): silverspawn, Teproc
Ghacob (8): gkreig13, Witherweaver, Hydrad, Haddock, Roadrunner7671, Awaclus, Ashersky, pingpongsam
Not Voting (1): A Drowned Kernel
With 14 alive, it took 8 to lynch.
D1 ends now. 8 days, 5 hours, and 57 minutes of bankable time have been used.
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Ghacob has been lynched. He was Dead of Winter, the Sidekick Miller
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Night 1 Begin!
In accordance with the OP, Night1 will last until 48 hours from this post.
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Awaclus died in the night! He was Acquire, the Thieving Component Cop.
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Day 2 Start!
Not Voting (12): gkrieg13, pingpongsam, A Drowned Kernel, RoadRunner7671, Witherweaver, SirMartin, Hydrad, silverspawn, EgorK, Teproc, ashersky, Haddock
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. D2 ends January 26th at 10:05 AM. Bankable time starts Sunday, January 10th at 10:05 AM.
Thread Unlocked!
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SirMartin has replaced chairs. Thanks man!
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Awaclus did not claim alignment yesterday, did he?
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Also, Vote: SirMartin (chairs)
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Awaclus did not claim alignment yesterday, did he?
I don't THINK so... doesn't seem like something Awaclus would do, anyway.
It's weird kill...
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I saw him as highly unlikely to be targeted for a NK. Maybe we had a vig and Mas Market just whiffed.
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Yeah, odd kill.
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I saw him as highly unlikely to be targeted for a NK. Maybe we had a vig and Mas Market just whiffed.
This is possible. Would a vig shoot D1?
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Hi!
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I saw him as highly unlikely to be targeted for a NK. Maybe we had a vig and Mas Market just whiffed.
This is possible. Would a vig shoot D1?
In the words of WalrusMcFish, "Vigs are gonna vig".
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I was RBed. Which makes Haddock all that more scummy. Vote: Haddock
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I was RBed. Which makes Haddock all that more scummy. Vote: Haddock
oookay, I reread Haddock's claim and am totally lost on how you supposedly being blocked has anything to do with his claim.
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Anyone missing a timepiece?
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scum probably tried to kill me and it failed. I hereby claim IC.
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scum probably tried to kill me and it failed. I hereby claim IC.
Eh?
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I'm an IC too. I will explain after school.
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I'm an IC too. I will explain after school.
that does not make you an IC. please don't 'explain'.
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I'm an IC too. I will explain after school.
that does not make you an IC. please don't 'explain'.
Okay, I won't explain. I'll just say I'm an IC. And everyone else can do that which makes them ICs too.
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So I forgot about the ash plan thing from early day 1. Ash, what came of it? You announced that you wanted to explain at some point, and then you did not.
vote: WW
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I was RBed. Which makes Haddock all that more scummy. Vote: Haddock
Yeah, this makes no sense.
I think I should probably say who I targetted. Thoughts?
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I was RBed. Which makes Haddock all that more scummy. Vote: Haddock
Yeah, this makes no sense.
I think I should probably say who I targetted. Thoughts?
Your power only works on lynch targets as opposed to NK targets, yes?
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Your power only works on lynch targets as opposed to NK targets, yes?
Correct.
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Anyone missing a timepiece?
Nope
ss claiming IC is weird. I don't understand it. Why are you IC? Why do you think you were targetted? We had an NK. A weird one, but still someone died. I don't think it is very likely that a vig shot Awaclus and scum got doctored, or that they switched alignments.
I was RBed. Which makes Haddock all that more scummy. Vote: Haddock
This also doesn't make sense to me. You were scummy D1, so there is an equally likely chance that you were RBed because a towny thought you weren't towny.
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Yeah I'm not totally casting doubt on Egork's claim of being blocked but I don't see how it implicates anyone, least of all, Haddock.
That he seems so certain he was, in fact, blocked I find intriguing but not warranting any fishing.
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Anyone missing a timepiece?
Nope
ss claiming IC is weird. I don't understand it. Why are you IC? Why do you think you were targetted? We had an NK. A weird one, but still someone died. I don't think it is very likely that a vig shot Awaclus and scum got doctored, or that they switched alignments.
claiming IC is generally more of a joke
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Okay, here I am. With a vote on me already. That's discouraging.
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Unvote
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Okay, here I am. With a vote on me already. That's discouraging.
welcome. Are you scum?
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I said that with my power it is antitown to provide reads. Nonetheless I was very suspicious of Haddock claim, it just do not make sense, I was sure he would be lynched. Then I was blocked (likely). Haddock himself cannot block (according to him).
Yes, there is always wifom, but I do not think it applicable here
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Sorry, but that argument simply does not hold water. This is an RMM game, so blocking just happens.
More to the point, scum!me is LESS likely to interfere with you after you've found me scummy, not more so.
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I think I will just claim my target.
I went for chairs/sirMartin . Close call in fact since I nearly went for awa, which would have been short of ideal.
So yeah if we think chairs was scummy (which I still do, sorry sirmartin.) then he's definitely a safe lynch.
vote: sirmartin
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interesting
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scum probably tried to kill me and it failed. I hereby claim IC.
So I forgot about the ash plan thing from early day 1. Ash, what came of it? You announced that you wanted to explain at some point, and then you did not.
vote: WW
vote: WW
Following the IC's lead.
I was RBed. Which makes Haddock all that more scummy. Vote: Haddock
Yeah, this makes no sense.
I think I should probably say who I targetted. Thoughts?
It makes some sense.
Yes.
Okay, here I am. With a vote on me already. That's discouraging.
Hey, thanks for replacing in. This is your first game on these forums, correct ? WHat's your mafia experience, IRL and/or online ?
I said that with my power it is antitown to provide reads. Nonetheless I was very suspicious of Haddock claim, it just do not make sense, I was sure he would be lynched. Then I was blocked (likely). Haddock himself cannot block (according to him).
What doesn't make sense in Haddock's claim ?
interesting
And you were doing so well ! Sigh. unvote
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I think I will just claim my target.
I went for chairs/sirMartin . Close call in fact since I nearly went for awa, which would have been short of ideal.
So yeah if we think chairs was scummy (which I still do, sorry sirmartin.) then he's definitely a safe lynch.
vote: sirmartin
Now this, I do not like at all.
vote: Haddock
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I agree.
Vote: Haddock
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I think I will just claim my target.
I went for chairs/sirMartin . Close call in fact since I nearly went for awa, which would have been short of ideal.
So yeah if we think chairs was scummy (which I still do, sorry sirmartin.) then he's definitely a safe lynch.
vote: sirmartin
Now this, I do not like at all.
vote: Haddock
I agree.
Vote: Haddock
Can I ask why?
I mean, I understand the desire to avoid lynching a brand new sub, but remember we're not actually lynching him, we're turning him into an IC. Or he's scum, in which case, great!
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I think I will just claim my target.
I went for chairs/sirMartin . Close call in fact since I nearly went for awa, which would have been short of ideal.
So yeah if we think chairs was scummy (which I still do, sorry sirmartin.) then he's definitely a safe lynch.
vote: sirmartin
Now this, I do not like at all.
vote: Haddock
I agree.
Vote: Haddock
interesting
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If it wasn't clear silver : you are not, in fact, an IC. So I'm going to ask for a bit more from you than the scummiest word that's ever been scummed.
@Haddock : That's not what this is about.
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hmm whoops... I guess I messed up a bit. I'm probably the reason awaclus died.
I think I should claim as it gives us some info.
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So partial claim. I took all actions that targetted Haddock and put them on awaclus. So it feels like scum tried to kill Haddock I'm guessing.
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Oooh. Interesting.
unvote
Haddock targeting chairs is so scummy though.
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... why would scum try to kill Haddock?
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That does seem like the most likely explanation for Awaclus' death.
PPE : Well, most people backed off after his claim, and his PR is situationally strong. Makes sense to me. They had his alignment too, and he wasn't the most likely to e protected.
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... why would scum try to kill Haddock?
well if his PR is real he kinda does make an IC for freeish. IC's are pretty nice.
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Oooh. Interesting.
I was going to say that!
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Oooh. Interesting.
I was going to say that!
It doesn't count if it's followed by an actual stance.
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I thought Haddock's claim read pretty not believable.
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I thought Haddock's claim read pretty not believable.
Regardless of what you thought, it did turn him from likely lynch to very unlikely lynch, so scum trying to kill him makes sense to me.
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@Haddock : That's not what this is about.
I assumed it wasn't, which is why I asked you what it WAS about.
I don't see how my targetting him is scummy.
As I said, it was a toss-up between targetting Awa (the most scummy person according to some other people) and targetting chairs (my choice for most scummy person). I backed myself. Maybe that was arrogant. But there you go.
Looks like it's a moot point anyway.
PPE. 2
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Well, no, it was not scum. Oh well, someone is hated today then
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Not an rb then, a redirection. Well, unvote
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Well, no, it was not scum. Oh well, someone is hated today then
Well, I guess it's POSSIBLE that scum also tried to kill me. Pretty unlikely, though, based on yesterday's events I'm a decent chance for a mislynch. So yeah let's proceed on the assumption that someone is hated.
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Vote Count 2.0
Witherweaver (1): silverspawn
SirMartin (1): Haddock
Haddock (1): Witherweaver
Not Voting (9): gkrieg13, A Drowned Kernel, RoadRunner7671, SirMartin, Hydrad, EgorK, ashersky, pingpongsam, Teproc
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. D2 ends January 26th at 10:05 AM. Bankable time starts Sunday, January 10th at 10:05 AM.
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I do not like how you are quickly assume I am telling truth. Vote: Haddock
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... welp I don't agree with Teproc. I don't think scum were ever going to try to kill me last night. Which meant there was a vig of some sort, somewhere. I was fully expecting a vig claim here.
So that makes me believe you. It would be a pretty stupid claim for scum to make, the counterclaim would be guaranteed. And you're not stupid.
You'd be better to accuse me of believing Hydrad too easily. Which, eh. That's too weird a claim for scum to make.
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Save me some research, what alignment has Haddock claimed?
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There went my theory the setup contained no redirection.
Also, if killing actions, which require guessing the alignment correctly to work, are redirected to another target would the alignment guess have to apply to original target or the redirected target? I am guessing the latter. Thus, it would appear to me that Awaclus would have to have had the same alignment as Haddock for the redirection to kill him.
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Save me some research, what alignment has Haddock claimed?
Ameritrash
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There went my theory the setup contained no redirection.
Also, if killing actions, which require guessing the alignment correctly to work, are redirected to another target would the alignment guess have to apply to original target or the redirected target? I am guessing the latter. Thus, it would appear to me that Awaclus would have to have had the same alignment as Haddock for the redirection to kill him.
What I do do not require to guess alignment
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There went my theory the setup contained no redirection.
Also, if killing actions, which require guessing the alignment correctly to work, are redirected to another target would the alignment guess have to apply to original target or the redirected target? I am guessing the latter. Thus, it would appear to me that Awaclus would have to have had the same alignment as Haddock for the redirection to kill him.
What I do do not require to guess alignment
Well, this thing you do kills townies. Vig?
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It looks my original assessment of the night holds water at least. I think the alignment mismatch supports egork's claim.
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Lot going on so far! Welcome Sir Martin. You're not, perchance, THE Sir Martin, are you?
So I forgot about the ash plan thing from early day 1. Ash, what came of it? You announced that you wanted to explain at some point, and then you did not.
vote: WW
What's with the vote? Care to elaborate?
I think I will just claim my target.
I went for chairs/sirMartin . Close call in fact since I nearly went for awa, which would have been short of ideal.
So yeah if we think chairs was scummy (which I still do, sorry sirmartin.) then he's definitely a safe lynch.
vote: sirmartin
Now this, I do not like at all.
vote: Haddock
Seconded. vote: Haddock
So partial claim. I took all actions that targetted Haddock and put them on awaclus. So it feels like scum tried to kill Haddock I'm guessing.
Er what? First off, why would you do that? Second off, why would scum try to kill Haddock? He wasn't exactly high on everyone's town list.
There went my theory the setup contained no redirection.
Also, if killing actions, which require guessing the alignment correctly to work, are redirected to another target would the alignment guess have to apply to original target or the redirected target? I am guessing the latter. Thus, it would appear to me that Awaclus would have to have had the same alignment as Haddock for the redirection to kill him.
What I do do not require to guess alignment
Oh, vig. I'm very much inclined to believe this, why would scum admit to a kill under zero pressure to do so? I also approve of killing Haddock, and will keep my vote on him.
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Alright. Nothing to say, except that Haddock is sorta scummy and Ameritrash is dropping like flies. Expect substance later.
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@adk
Yeah, also, why would scum!egork volunteer that someone is hated?
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@adk
Yeah, also, why would scum!egork volunteer that someone is hated?
He did that?
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@adk
Yeah, also, why would scum!egork volunteer that someone is hated?
He did that?
He did, didn't he.
If I was ash, I might call scumslip. But I'm more inclined to think that he was just jumping to conclusions.
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@adk
Yeah, also, why would scum!egork volunteer that someone is hated?
He did that?
He did, didn't he.
If I was ash, I might call scumslip. But I'm more inclined to think that he was just jumping to conclusions.
Should a hated person claim hated? Did Egor do the right thing?
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Probably not. What I mean is that Egor seems to be assuming that scum tried to kill someone who was unclaimed, rather than that they tried to kill someone who was claimed and that that person was protected. The latter seems just as, if not more likely to me.
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Why is claiming hated a bad thing? If I was hated, it would be one of my first few posts. Is this bad?
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I'm against claiming as a kneejerk reaction, but maybe that's a case where it's good.
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I assumed hated was randomly assigned when his vig shot hit town.
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Why is claiming hated a bad thing? If I was hated, it would be one of my first few posts. Is this bad?
He doesn't know who is hated and neither does the hated person.
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Why is claiming hated a bad thing? If I was hated, it would be one of my first few posts. Is this bad?
He doesn't know who is hated and neither does the hated person.
This is a general question, the answer wasn't on Mafia Scum Wiki. If you know you're hated, should you claim? Why or why not?
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Why is claiming hated a bad thing? If I was hated, it would be one of my first few posts. Is this bad?
He doesn't know who is hated and neither does the hated person.
This is a general question, the answer wasn't on Mafia Scum Wiki. If you know you're hated, should you claim? Why or why not?
Yes you should claim to prevent derphammers. I have reason to believe hated is a recurring theme in this setup.
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Reason to believe? Is that a soft claim?
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Reason to believe? Is that a soft claim?
It's nothing I didn't say yesterday, why the interest now?
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Wait, PPS, are you acting on the assumption that EgorK was talking about someone becoming hated because of his role, and not because scum tried to kill someone and guessed their alignment wrong? Because I was assuming the latter.
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Wait, PPS, are you acting on the assumption that EgorK was talking about someone becoming hated because of his role, and not because scum tried to kill someone and guessed their alignment wrong? Because I was assuming the latter.
Yes. I'd rather egork clarified though. I was just stating how I had interpreted his claim not that I was in any way certain.
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Wait, are you saying the setup makes someone hated if Mass Market guesses wrong? If so, I totally missed that.
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Okay, nevermind. I didn't know the bit about getting hated on a scum nk whiff.
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Hopefully you can see why I would have been reading more into egork's offhand comment.
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A certain number of players in this game will be Mass Market games. They will have the following factional ability:
Guess Who?: Each night, you may target one player and name an Alignment. If the targeted player has that alignment, they will be killed. If they don't, they will take one less vote to be lynched the following Day.
I mean it didn't seem like a scummy thing, more like a you-were-confused thing. If anything it makes you seems townier.
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A certain number of players in this game will be Mass Market games. They will have the following factional ability:
Guess Who?: Each night, you may target one player and name an Alignment. If the targeted player has that alignment, they will be killed. If they don't, they will take one less vote to be lynched the following Day.
I mean it didn't seem like a scummy thing, more like a you-were-confused thing. If anything it makes you seems townier.
what?
vote: ashersky until he explains why he wanted to make us claim alignments.
yeesh, I thought I had read the setup.
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Would scum!Hydrad claim the redirection? Isn't bus-driver normally a scum role?
And why switch someone controversial with someone scummy?
Sorry even catching up on these last few pages leaves lots of questions.
Just based off of opening reactions I'll vote: Haddock
PPS and ADK seem towny in their discussion. One read the setup and the other didn't. I think we should be weary of derphammers today though. Especially with PPS planning on hammering anyone and everyone. That means that L-3 could really be L-2 could really be L-1.
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Do we want to lynch me and see if Haddock is telling the truth? Or do we want to lynch Haddock? I'm not entirely sure what Haddock thinks he can do, but all I need to know is that if I get lynched I won't die.
And I encourage people not to call me town or scum based on chairs.
And why is it okay to call people 'scum?' I mean, it's supposed to be taken lightly, but man, scum is a really powerful word.
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Do we want to lynch me and see if Haddock is telling the truth? Or do we want to lynch Haddock? I'm not entirely sure what Haddock thinks he can do, but all I need to know is that if I get lynched I won't die.
And I encourage people not to call me town or scum based on chairs.
And why is it okay to call people 'scum?' I mean, it's supposed to be taken lightly, but man, scum is a really powerful word.
scum is just a term used to say anyone thats not town. so mafia. or serial killer. or uhh other things.
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Just based off of opening reactions I'll vote: Haddock
Sigh...
I don't even know what this means. But at least it's more of an explanation than "I don't like this". "Nor me." "seconded."
What am I, L-3 already? Sure I guess that's a thing.
Jeez I'm doing my best here guys.
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Egor, do you have any intention of reacting to my explanation of why I believed you so easily? I realised last irl night that there was another reason why I believed you as well, that I took into account without thinking about it. Namely all your fuss about being blocked. The complaints about being blocked and how my being alive made me superscummy (which made no sense at first) suddenly made sense when Hydrad appeared and then you claimed vig. There's just no way scum could have predicted the Hydrad redirection. Unless Hydrad is scum as well, I guess.
I guess Hydrad COULD be scum claiming a town redirection power that he actually has as a scum role. I hadn't thought of that.
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So, about the plan.
In lieu of revealing everything right now, allow me to provide you with a list.
1. Town powers that are contingent upon target alignment are strengthened.
2. Scum powers (including kills) that are contingent upon target alignment are more often successful.
3. Components that may include alignment restrictions are strengthened.
4. Alignment cops can catch liars.
5. Scum are forced to commit to a lie early.
6. A rough idea of alignment balance numbers becomes available.
7. The town can keep equitable, or otherwise preferred, numbers of each faction alive.
8. PPS not withstanding, the town can alternate, or otherwise control, hammering factions.
9. The giving of components can be better coordinated.
10. Enter your text here.
If you haven't figured it out by now, these are pros and cons of a mass alignment claim. My plan took into account a number of these, combined it with my own thinking and desire to have a joint town win, and presented itself to my brain.
Look, Archetype and I are two of the longest tenured players and mods left on f.ds. I think yuma is the only player that pre-dates us, actually. We have been scum together multiple times, we've co-modded together multiple times. I believe I've co-modded or played in every single one of his games. And I think I can see some of what he was designing here.
Obviously XP throws a wrench into this, as he has one of those Nash-style crazyminds. So, it's a bit of modwifom, but for me personally, it's worth it.
I think town's best chance of winning is to combine into one town.
I thought of multiple ways to do that, not all of which worked (because Arch thought of them too, and built in failsafes). He wasn't hiding the fact that there are multiple factions -- it's right there in our win conditions. It's complicated, but there is definitely a system. And where there's a system, there's always a loophole.
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One thing I left off the list above: successful scum kills means no issues with hated.
I actually think making players Hated is better for scum than you all think. Giving up a kill is risky, but it also reduces POE in the future. Secret Hated (only secret for the player, not the scums) is strong, because you can orchestrate derphammers all day long. If all alignments are known and people keep not dying, we know scum's up to something.
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Ash, that's all great stuff. Not really an alignment tell for you, but great stuff nonetheless.
I feel the need to clear something up though. I feel like you were frustrated yesterday that you didn't get people to go along with the mass alignment claim plan. Not to put words into people's mouths, but I think that's basically because people had thought of most of the stuff in your list above, and none of it qualifies as "breaking the setup". You seemed to be claiming that you had a guaranteed win if people went for the alignment claim, and none of the stuff in the list above gives us a guaranteed win. You can see how that made people reluctant, I hope.
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Ash, that's all great stuff. Not really an alignment tell for you, but great stuff nonetheless.
I feel the need to clear something up though. I feel like you were frustrated yesterday that you didn't get people to go along with the mass alignment claim plan. Not to put words into people's mouths, but I think that's basically because people had thought of most of the stuff in your list above, and none of it qualifies as "breaking the setup". You seemed to be claiming that you had a guaranteed win if people went for the alignment claim, and none of the stuff in the list above gives us a guaranteed win. You can see how that made people reluctant, I hope.
None of that is the breaking the setup part.
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Egor, do you have any intention of reacting to my explanation of why I believed you so easily? I realised last irl night that there was another reason why I believed you as well, that I took into account without thinking about it. Namely all your fuss about being blocked. The complaints about being blocked and how my being alive made me superscummy (which made no sense at first) suddenly made sense when Hydrad appeared and then you claimed vig. There's just no way scum could have predicted the Hydrad redirection. Unless Hydrad is scum as well, I guess.
I guess Hydrad COULD be scum claiming a town redirection power that he actually has as a scum role. I hadn't thought of that.
I slept. Your explanation duly noted. I still think you are scummiest for the time being
Yes, I just assumed scum wiffed. When there are explanation without requiring additional PRs to interfere I prefer to assume it correct until other compelling evidence presented to contrary. So I would operate under assumption there is someone hated (though probably not Haddock). Protective roles are possible of course
PPE: ash post
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Protective roles are possible of course
Wondering aloud: what happens if a doctor or something protects someone who scum whiffs on? Does the hating still happen? After all its not a kill...
I guess we won't ever know this but it's interesting. I imagine there'd be a clause about it in any potential doctor's PM.
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None of that is the breaking the setup part.
Oh I see. Righto, forget I said anything then.
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I'll add that I no longer need to hammer. My job is done. I mean I can make use of future hammers/components but yesterday's hammer was the priority.
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Do we want to lynch me and see if Haddock is telling the truth? Or do we want to lynch Haddock? I'm not entirely sure what Haddock thinks he can do, but all I need to know is that if I get lynched I won't die.
And I encourage people not to call me town or scum based on chairs.
And why is it okay to call people 'scum?' I mean, it's supposed to be taken lightly, but man, scum is a really powerful word.
How much of Day One have you read?
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Everything Haddock has claimed adds up to me. I have to say if I had his power I would target scum reads at night too. Scum reads are most likely to get lynched. If we happen mislynch somebody because they read scum and I can resurrect them then I just created an IC, prevented a mislynch, and created great wagon analysis. Targeting town reads doesn't serve much purpose because they are more likely to be NK'd where the resurrection power does not extend. Plus, they are already town reads so, if they are in fact town we don't need them IC'd nearly as badly to trust the reads.
I'm becoming more suspicious of those painting Haddock as obvscum, here.
Vote: WW
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I think the hated/guessing mechanic is pretty novel (thanks, mods). For scum it presents an interesting choice. When you mis-guess you now know the correct alignment to guess on succeeding nights but you also make them easier to mislynch the next day. As thr game progresses this snowballs but in the early game I think it creates some very interesting discussion for scum at a minimum.
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Everything Haddock has claimed adds up to me. I have to say if I had his power I would target scum reads at night too. Scum reads are most likely to get lynched. If we happen mislynch somebody because they read scum and I can resurrect them then I just created an IC, prevented a mislynch, and created great wagon analysis. Targeting town reads doesn't serve much purpose because they are more likely to be NK'd where the resurrection power does not extend. Plus, they are already town reads so, if they are in fact town we don't need them IC'd nearly as badly to trust the reads.
I'm becoming more suspicious of those painting Haddock as obvscum, here.
Vote: WW
What's the point here? That scum is afraid of Haddock's ability so is trying to get him lynched?
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Everything Haddock has claimed adds up to me. I have to say if I had his power I would target scum reads at night too. Scum reads are most likely to get lynched. If we happen mislynch somebody because they read scum and I can resurrect them then I just created an IC, prevented a mislynch, and created great wagon analysis. Targeting town reads doesn't serve much purpose because they are more likely to be NK'd where the resurrection power does not extend. Plus, they are already town reads so, if they are in fact town we don't need them IC'd nearly as badly to trust the reads.
I'm becoming more suspicious of those painting Haddock as obvscum, here.
Vote: WW
What's the point here? That scum is afraid of Haddock's ability so is trying to get him lynched?
The point is, since Haddock claimed I've felt like he is pretty forthcoming and honest town and he has made some night actions I would have made as a townie with that power. In other words, there is no scum narrative here. There's no decent case being presented so I am suspicious of those on his wagon with you being the most suspicious because you are just adapting the same stance you had on him yesterday.
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I missed the part where haddock using his power on someone makes them an IC. Why do we believe that?
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I missed the part where haddock using his power on someone makes them an IC. Why do we believe that?
A) It is ridiculously easy to disprove so long as he is claiming his targets.
B) He posted the claim quite quickly once pressured for it.
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I'm talking about the person he uses his power on.
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Also, I will point out that Haddock was emphatically against the Awaclus wagon, yesterday. Awaclus died due to things outside of Haddock's control which leads me to believe Haddock wasn't throwing in support for cred but because he really is town thinking someone who was also was town was town.
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I missed the part where haddock using his power on someone makes them an IC. Why do we believe that?
A) It is ridiculously easy to disprove so long as he is claiming his targets.
B) He posted the claim quite quickly once pressured for it.
We have to lynch the person that he targets, though.
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I'm talking about the person he uses his power on.
Um,what? I don't understand how anyone else gets made IC from it. He told us he targeted SirMartin. If we lynch SirMartin AND Haddock survives the night (a major conditional, there) then he can attempt to resurrect SirMartin. If SirMartin doesn't come back he was scum, good riddance. If he does come back he was Town and thus IC.
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I'm talking about the person he uses his power on.
Um,what? I don't understand how anyone else gets made IC from it. He told us he targeted SirMartin. If we lynch SirMartin AND Haddock survives the night (a major conditional, there) then he can attempt to resurrect SirMartin. If SirMartin doesn't come back he was scum, good riddance. If he does come back he was Town and thus IC.
... can't scum!Haddock just claim town!SirMartin was scum?
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I missed the part where haddock using his power on someone makes them an IC. Why do we believe that?
A) It is ridiculously easy to disprove so long as he is claiming his targets.
B) He posted the claim quite quickly once pressured for it.
We have to lynch the person that he targets, though.
Yeah, well, I'm not arguing we lynch his targets just that his claim is actually believable and thus he is probably not scum. Defending Haddock is not, by necessity, being in favor of enacting his power.
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I'm talking about the person he uses his power on.
Um,what? I don't understand how anyone else gets made IC from it. He told us he targeted SirMartin. If we lynch SirMartin AND Haddock survives the night (a major conditional, there) then he can attempt to resurrect SirMartin. If SirMartin doesn't come back he was scum, good riddance. If he does come back he was Town and thus IC.
... can't scum!Haddock just claim town!SirMartin was scum?
Nice loophole.
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I don't think this claim is very believable. It doesn't sound like a real claim. Especially with the part about forgetting to claim all the aspects of it.
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So having a useful power that has otherwise significant drawbacks is now inconceivable?
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I'm talking about the person he uses his power on.
Um,what? I don't understand how anyone else gets made IC from it. He told us he targeted SirMartin. If we lynch SirMartin AND Haddock survives the night (a major conditional, there) then he can attempt to resurrect SirMartin. If SirMartin doesn't come back he was scum, good riddance. If he does come back he was Town and thus IC.
... can't scum!Haddock just claim town!SirMartin was scum?
What? No. I thought I was pretty damn clear on this point. If someone is scum and I target them and we lynch them, they die normally and are revealed as scum.
Phone post, I have more to say later.
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Not at all:
*in.
So I am Last night On Earth, the ameritrash Reviving Janitor.
My role isn't that amazing and requires some coordination to work at all, hence why I'm fairly happy to claim here.
It's a two part thing.
The first part is called Eaten Brains. It's a night action where I try to predict the next day's lynch. If I predict correctly then that persons details will be hidden at the flip. Then I can use the other part, which is called "I feel kinda strange" to revive that person on a later day.
As I understand it, it will fail if used on scum, which only makes it better as far as I can tell.
Does everyone else have flavour names assigned to their individual roles? I thought that was kinda awesome.
This sounds to me like you're saying the Resurrection will fail if used on scum, not the Janitor part.
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I'm talking about the person he uses his power on.
Um,what? I don't understand how anyone else gets made IC from it. He told us he targeted SirMartin. If we lynch SirMartin AND Haddock survives the night (a major conditional, there) then he can attempt to resurrect SirMartin. If SirMartin doesn't come back he was scum, good riddance. If he does come back he was Town and thus IC.
... can't scum!Haddock just claim town!SirMartin was scum?
What? No. I thought I was pretty damn clear on this point. If someone is scum and I target them and we lynch them, they die normally and are revealed as scum.
Phone post, I have more to say later.
Yeah, no, you weren't clear on that. But since your claiming it now you'll probably be smeared as scum for modifying your claim when in fact it makes your claim infinitely more provable.
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I'm talking about the person he uses his power on.
Um,what? I don't understand how anyone else gets made IC from it. He told us he targeted SirMartin. If we lynch SirMartin AND Haddock survives the night (a major conditional, there) then he can attempt to resurrect SirMartin. If SirMartin doesn't come back he was scum, good riddance. If he does come back he was Town and thus IC.
... can't scum!Haddock just claim town!SirMartin was scum?
What? No. I thought I was pretty damn clear on this point. If someone is scum and I target them and we lynch them, they die normally and are revealed as scum.
Phone post, I have more to say later.
Yeah, no, you weren't clear on that. But since your claiming it now you'll probably be smeared as scum for modifying your claim when in fact it makes your claim infinitely more provable.
Provable by lynching who he wants and expecting him to do something without being blocked or killed.
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Fair enough, ash, why does scum!haddock want town!chairs dead?
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Actually Chairs is sensible as a target.. he doesn't post much and is really hard to read.. if Haddock is seeing his role as a pseudo investigative role, then that makes sense.
Chairs didn't get replaced until the day started, right?
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Fair enough, ash, why does scum!haddock want town!chairs dead?
Dunno. I'm not actually trying to draw a scum narrative here. I'm just poking holes in your town narrative.
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Fair enough, ash, why does scum!haddock want town!chairs dead?
Dunno. I'm not actually trying to draw a scum narrative here. I'm just poking holes in your town narrative.
Also fair enough. My real issue is the wagon, though. As you can see there's no good scum narrative but still a mounting wagon.
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@PPS So you're voting for WW because you think the Haddock wagon is bad and that WW was on it so he is scum?
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I agree with ash that the town should unite. It seems like with two neighborhoods, there will be interesting interactions among the town members anyway. Neighborhoods are interesting in RMM because they make a small number of people make reads based on slightly more information than the rest of town has. Someone can have a claim based on what seems like little reasoning, but it can be based off something in the neighborhood.
As for ash's plan, I think it is an ok one. Town does need to unite, which means we need to make sure the components that prevent the other town faction from winning need to stay in the correct faction.
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I'll add that I no longer need to hammer. My job is done. I mean I can make use of future hammers/components but yesterday's hammer was the priority.
Interesting. So I guess we should elect a new hammerer?
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I'll add that I no longer need to hammer. My job is done. I mean I can make use of future hammers/components but yesterday's hammer was the priority.
Interesting. So I guess we should elect a new hammerer?
Nevermind, I still think it should be you. I would rather you get the components. You are my top townread.
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Do we want to lynch me and see if Haddock is telling the truth? Or do we want to lynch Haddock? I'm not entirely sure what Haddock thinks he can do, but all I need to know is that if I get lynched I won't die.
And I encourage people not to call me town or scum based on chairs.
And why is it okay to call people 'scum?' I mean, it's supposed to be taken lightly, but man, scum is a really powerful word.
How much of Day One have you read?
All of it in one sitting, so it may have blended together, I probably missed some small details.
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Fair enough, ash, why does scum!haddock want town!chairs dead?
Because chairs is town!
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Actually Chairs is sensible as a target.. he doesn't post much and is really hard to read.. if Haddock is seeing his role as a pseudo investigative role, then that makes sense.
Chairs didn't get replaced until the day started, right?
That is correct. If I have a night action, I did not get to use it last night.
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Actually Chairs is sensible as a target.. he doesn't post much and is really hard to read.. if Haddock is seeing his role as a pseudo investigative role, then that makes sense.
Chairs didn't get replaced until the day started, right?
That is correct. If I have a night action, I did not get to use it last night.
The point was more he chose to target Chairs, not knowing Chairs would be replaced.
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WW defense seems valid to me as well.
I believe the Haddock claim, I just think the way it was brought out is scummy. He seems to change his story all the time and his tone today has seemed scummy. It reminds me a lot of his tone when I pressured him his first scum game for being overly worried of faust having a wagon going on him.
PPE
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WW defense seems valid to me as well.
I believe the Haddock claim, I just think the way it was brought out is scummy. He seems to change his story all the time and his tone today has seemed scummy. It reminds me a lot of his tone when I pressured him his first scum game for being overly worried of faust having a wagon going on him.
PPE
Still on the phone, but I couldn't let this pass. At no point did I "change my story".
I understand that me not saying it was semi 1 shot originally maybe looks dodgy, that's my error.
But I thought I was clear from the start that if I target scum my power fails entirely. Ash even called me out on my 1 shot thing so ash must have understood from the start. If ash didn't properly understand the scum-failure clause I don't think he would have thought my role was OP.
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WW defense seems valid to me as well.
I believe the Haddock claim, I just think the way it was brought out is scummy. He seems to change his story all the time and his tone today has seemed scummy. It reminds me a lot of his tone when I pressured him his first scum game for being overly worried of faust having a wagon going on him.
PPE
Still on the phone, but I couldn't let this pass. At no point did I "change my story".
I understand that me not saying it was semi 1 shot originally maybe looks dodgy, that's my error.
But I thought I was clear from the start that if I target scum my power fails entirely. Ash even called me out on my 1 shot thing so ash must have understood from the start. If ash didn't properly understand the scum-failure clause I don't think he would have thought my role was OP.
My question is how we know the lynched is scum or not when you janitor them. That isn't a power that is alignment-dependent.
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@PPS So you're voting for WW because you think the Haddock wagon is bad and that WW was on it so he is scum?
I'm feeling like there's scum on the wagon because of how many votes ran up with very little to say about themselves other than, yep, there's some scum right there.
I looked at where these voters were positioned on Haddock D1 and found WW to be consistently using flimsy reasons to vote him so i voted him.
Also, I'm still a little burned he got away with me copping him as scum the last game.
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Sorry what?
No the whole thing (inc. Janitoring) only works on town. I thought you understood this, since you were the one who claimed that my role was op as originally stated...
Ppe1
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@ash
Why does town uniting require alignment claiming? 1
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@PPS So you're voting for WW because you think the Haddock wagon is bad and that WW was on it so he is scum?
I'm feeling like there's scum on the wagon because of how many votes ran up with very little to say about themselves other than, yep, there's some scum right there.
I looked at where these voters were positioned on Haddock D1 and found WW to be consistently using flimsy reasons to vote him so i voted him.
Also, I'm still a little burned he got away with me copping him as scum the last game.
Me thinking he's scum is not a flimsy reason.
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Been neglectingthis game because reading Marvel Heroes (and now the QTs from that) is more fun. Will come back to this later, probably tomorrow.
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After a reread, I'm a bit more amenable to ash's plan. It does seem like there are some concrete benefits, although I'm not entirely sold.
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ohi.
i'm onboard with the claiming action.
I forgot about the hated part if they miss so its almost like a kill still.
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hmm also I maybe should of checked before I claimed.
It seems that if I redirected to awaclus they would of had to guess euro to kill him instead of aimetresh (or whatever its called) for haddock.
So I doubt I was responsible for the kill now and theres probably someone hated I guess.
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hmm also I maybe should of checked before I claimed.
It seems that if I redirected to awaclus they would of had to guess euro to kill him instead of aimetresh (or whatever its called) for haddock.
So I doubt I was responsible for the kill now and theres probably someone hated I guess.
EgorK had already claimed responsibility for killing Awaclus, specifically that he was a vig who targeted Haddock and you redirected him.
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I completely agree with PPS. Jumping on the Haddock wagon is scummy business.
I'm not sold on the ash plan. I think town should work together, but I don't think we should alignment claim. Sure, his list of benefits looks nice, but if you look more closely, you'll see that a lot of them are weak and/or also (partially) apply if we don't alignment claim.
It allows scum to make safe NKs. Let's not.
I'm honestly a bit sad about the people that have already claimed.
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Because partial claiming < mass claiming <? no claiming
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vote: newguy
also vote: gkrieg for painting haddock in a scummy light
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hmm also I maybe should of checked before I claimed.
It seems that if I redirected to awaclus they would of had to guess euro to kill him instead of aimetresh (or whatever its called) for haddock.
So I doubt I was responsible for the kill now and theres probably someone hated I guess.
EgorK had already claimed responsibility for killing Awaclus, specifically that he was a vig who targeted Haddock and you redirected him.
huh... I don't know how I missed that one... my bad.
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okay vote: SirMartin
I'll take a power over a read
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Oh I feel a bit better about not noticing. Egork didn't specifically say what he does so thats why I didn't remember that. I was a bit confused when he said he was RB'd or something I guess I just didn't piece it together.
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okay vote: SirMartin
I'll take a power over a read
Vote: SirMartin
I agree.
also welcome to mafia SirMartin. Your probably going to die. :D
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you're* for ss
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Vote Count 2.1
Witherweaver (1): pingpongsam
Ashersky (1): silverspawn
SirMartin (3): Haddock, silverspawn, Hydrad
Haddock (4): Witherweaver, EgorK, A Drowned Kernel, gkrieg13
Not Voting (4): RoadRunner7671, SirMartin, ashersky, Teproc
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. D2 ends January 26th at 10:05 AM. Bankable time starts Sunday, January 10th at 10:05 AM.
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I'd rather Vote: Haddock then lynch the new guy.
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Vote Count 2.1
Witherweaver (1): pingpongsam
Ashersky (1): silverspawn
SirMartin (3): Haddock, silverspawn, Hydrad
Haddock (4): Witherweaver, EgorK, A Drowned Kernel, gkrieg13
Not Voting (4): RoadRunner7671, SirMartin, ashersky, Teproc
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. D2 ends January 26th at 10:05 AM. Bankable time starts Sunday, January 10th at 10:05 AM.
scummy business
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er that was supposed to quote the RR post
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er that was supposed to quote the RR post
But it didn't! So I'm home free!
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I'd rather Vote: Haddock then lynch the new guy.
Whats the reason you want haddock dead over new guy?
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I'd rather Vote: Haddock then lynch the new guy.
Whats the reason you want haddock dead over new guy?
Haddock feels scummy, new guy feels null.
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Did someone say new guy?
I don't understand why everyone is gunning after me. Is it because of the way chairs acted? Because I'd like to turn over a new leaf. Or is it because I have been lurking for a little bit? I don't think I'm a very good lynch.
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Did someone say new guy?
I don't understand why everyone is gunning after me. Is it because of the way chairs acted? Because I'd like to turn over a new leaf. Or is it because I have been lurking for a little bit? I don't think I'm a very good lynch.
no its because Haddock claims to have a power where he targets someone and if we lynch them and your town you get revived.
Haddock said that he used his power on you/chairs last night so people that believe haddock are willing to lynch you as you either die as scum or get revived and become an IC (someone we know we can trust).
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Although for you to be a true IC if you revive Haddock would most likely have to die so that we know that hes town and that you aren't scum partners or something. But that just seems like a dumb thing to do as scum so hes probably not scum if you revive.
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I don't believe Haddock's claim, but I can see why this might be worth it. Vote: SirMartin
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vote: silverspawn
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Well I said I would return to say more last night. Sorry that that didn't happen, I was at a stag do and it got pretty messy.
The stuff I had to say isn't really that relevant any more.
I guess I want to apologise to sirMartin. It's unfortunate that it turned out this way. I mean we're not actually lynching him, but even being ICd like this in your first game would make it a bit dull probably.
To everyone who doesn't believe my claim, I say where's the harm in letting me prove it? I'm screwed if there's redirection, but it seems unlikely that there would be redirection on both sides...
Ash is there a reason behind that SS vote?
I feel like I don't have many reads atm. Gonna go try to shower this hangover away and then return to reread a bit.
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If you guys are going to go through with this then I would think hydrad needs to redirect everything off of haddock at night so he can actually do the revival action, yes?
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If you guys are going to go through with this then I would think hydrad needs to redirect everything off of haddock at night so he can actually do the revival action, yes?
Oh does he need to target sirmartin again? I thought his action he needed to do was last night so thats partially why I tried to redirect things off him anyways.
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I think pps is worried about me getting blocked. I don't need to target.
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I think pps is worried about me getting blocked. I don't need to target.
"I feel kinda strange" is not a targeting action?
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I think pps is worried about me getting blocked. I don't need to target.
"I feel kinda strange" is not a targeting action?
Also, please clarify the "semi one shot" nature of your role power.
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Are we still quibbling about this?
I really thought it was only the one shot bit that I'd failed to properly explain, but apparently not.
The janitoring is targeted, I targeted chairs last night. Then the janitoring happens if that person gets lynched.
Once I've been correct once and a janitoring has gone through, I no longer get to target at night. Instead i get the option to take an untargeted action; I can put Funny Feeling in my QT on any night (once I've janitored successfully) to revive whoever I janitored. Once that happens I'm basically a VT.
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I would be fine with testing Haddock's claim.
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Are we still quibbling about this?
I really thought it was only the one shot bit that I'd failed to properly explain, but apparently not.
The janitoring is targeted, I targeted chairs last night. Then the janitoring happens if that person gets lynched.
Once I've been correct once and a janitoring has gone through, I no longer get to target at night. Instead i get the option to take an untargeted action; I can put Funny Feeling in my QT on any night (once I've janitored successfully) to revive whoever I janitored. Once that happens I'm basically a VT.
Can you please get mod confirmation on what classification the "Funny Feeling" action falls under?
If you are killed and it negates your resurrection attempt it would be very bad.
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Alright, catching up now.
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@Haddock : That's not what this is about.
I assumed it wasn't, which is why I asked you what it WAS about.
I don't see how my targetting him is scummy.
As I said, it was a toss-up between targetting Awa (the most scummy person according to some other people) and targetting chairs (my choice for most scummy person). I backed myself. Maybe that was arrogant. But there you go.
Looks like it's a moot point anyway.
PPE. 2
Ok, to clarify what I thought was scummy about you targeting chairs.
The way I expect you to use your role is to pick the scummiest person you can think of, and then try to get them lynched. I have a hard time believing chairs/SirMartin was your top scum read after day 1. THe only reason he got a wagon was his absence, which was explained by his replacing out. It read to me like you pretented to target him because you figured no one would object to lynching him too much, ie going with a consensual pick rather than your own read. Surely you ca see how this is scummy.
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Well, no, it was not scum. Oh well, someone is hated today then
Wait, what ? I mean yeah, no kill could indicate that... actually that's an interesting rules interaction. Well no, they're both Haddock and Awaclus are Ameritrash anyway. So I don't see why anyone would be Hated. What most likely happens here is :
1) Scum tried to kill Haddock
2) Hydrad redirected all actions targeting Haddock to Awaclus.
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Well, no, it was not scum. Oh well, someone is hated today then
Well, I guess it's POSSIBLE that scum also tried to kill me. Pretty unlikely, though, based on yesterday's events I'm a decent chance for a mislynch. So yeah let's proceed on the assumption that someone is hated.
...
Yesterday's events are this :
1) You got a wagon on you
2) You claimed, including your alignment, something scum "needs" to get a kill
3) You no longer had a wagon on you
That makes you a potential NK. They have your alignment, you're not too likely to be protected but you're not likely to be lynched either. Makes sense to me...
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There went my theory the setup contained no redirection.
Also, if killing actions, which require guessing the alignment correctly to work, are redirected to another target would the alignment guess have to apply to original target or the redirected target? I am guessing the latter. Thus, it would appear to me that Awaclus would have to have had the same alignment as Haddock for the redirection to kill him.
What I do do not require to guess alignment
Well, this thing you do kills townies. Vig?
Oh yeah, I had seen taht EgorK might have claimed vig in the neighborhood... if so this is the weiredest, most non-commital claim I've ever seen.
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I assumed hated was randomly assigned when his vig shot hit town.
Town points to pps for not knowing the setup, as much as I hate to give out points for that.
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And why is it okay to call people 'scum?' I mean, it's supposed to be taken lightly, but man, scum is a really powerful word.
I know, the liberal use of "scum" troubled me too initially, but it's just a game term, nothing's meant by it. You'll get used to it.
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ash did his thing... as expected it's underwhelming and not worth all the discussion on day 1, but I'm still in favour.
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Everything Haddock has claimed adds up to me. I have to say if I had his power I would target scum reads at night too. Scum reads are most likely to get lynched. If we happen mislynch somebody because they read scum and I can resurrect them then I just created an IC, prevented a mislynch, and created great wagon analysis. Targeting town reads doesn't serve much purpose because they are more likely to be NK'd where the resurrection power does not extend. Plus, they are already town reads so, if they are in fact town we don't need them IC'd nearly as badly to trust the reads.
I'm becoming more suspicious of those painting Haddock as obvscum, here.
Vote: WW
Someone gets it. Well I don't know about the WW part, but the rest is right on.
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I missed the part where haddock using his power on someone makes them an IC. Why do we believe that?
A) It is ridiculously easy to disprove so long as he is claiming his targets.
B) He posted the claim quite quickly once pressured for it.
We have to lynch the person that he targets, though.
Yeah, well, I'm not arguing we lynch his targets just that his claim is actually believable and thus he is probably not scum. Defending Haddock is not, by necessity, being in favor of enacting his power.
Again, pps making sense. Scary.
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I don't think this claim is very believable. It doesn't sound like a real claim. Especially with the part about forgetting to claim all the aspects of it.
I'm starting to get the vote WW part. Like, how is his claim not believable ? It's super detailed in terms of flavor.
And the messier a claim is, the townier is. You know this, why are you ignoring it all of a sudden ?
*insert vote for WW here, except I have no idea about the vote count so I'll hold*
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Actually Chairs is sensible as a target.. he doesn't post much and is really hard to read.. if Haddock is seeing his role as a pseudo investigative role, then that makes sense.
Chairs didn't get replaced until the day started, right?
WW is wrong about everything in this game.
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WW defense seems valid to me as well.
I believe the Haddock claim, I just think the way it was brought out is scummy. He seems to change his story all the time and his tone today has seemed scummy. It reminds me a lot of his tone when I pressured him his first scum game for being overly worried of faust having a wagon going on him.
PPE
OTOH, gkrieg is obvscum, so... WW can probably live a bit.
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Ok, you guys suck. Both of those wagons are terrible.
If I understand things correctly, lynching SirMartin only verifies Haddock's claim if:
1) SirMartin is town (fine, since if he's scum we're happy too)
2) Haddock gets to revive him the next day
Which, 2) doesn't work if scum has any roleblocking capabilites. Which, in RMM, seems likely right ?
So, lynching SirMartin for PR reasons seem horrible. For reads reason, it seems meh at best.
And lynching Haddock is bad because he's town. So now, let's...
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Haddock claims to be unblockable because he doesn't target to revive. He just revives all janitored town.
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vote: gkrieg
Reread his day 2. Completely following the flow back and forth on Haddock, saying he's rethinking his position and believes the claim but not unvoting. Also his day 1 was also super scummy, we should have lynched him then.
PPE : Oh, I missed that.
I still don't like it. We lose a lynch and the interactions that go with it for what ? One IC (since Haddock is already obvtown) ? Meh.
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Days are where town wins the game, folks.
Ok, probably less true in RMM, but still. Wasting a day has a real cost. SirMartin having been targeted makes him a more appealing lynch than normal, but we should still only lynch him if we think he's scum, which I don't particularly.
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I agree about the DirMartin thing, I was only doing it cause all the cool kids were.
But in reality, I only really have a scum read on Haddock, but I have a sinking suspicion that he's just town being scummy. So SirMartin was as good a lynch as any. Unvote
Maybe I should retread gkreig
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Let's lynch SS.
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Let's lynch SS.
Or ß, even.
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Let's lynch SS.
Why ?
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I probably won't really get to this game until next week.
Teproc, did you think from the beginning that Haddock's Janitor part did not work on scum? Also, I don't understand the flavor thing.
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Let's lynch SS.
Why ?
He's scummy. I made a case somewhere.
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I probably won't really get to this game until next week.
Teproc, did you think from the beginning that Haddock's Janitor part did not work on scum? Also, I don't understand the flavor thing.
Yes.
What is there to not understand ? His power and the name of his abilities fit the flavour great, and I can't think of a mass-market game it would fit. Unless scum has full fakeclaims (ie not just names, but fake PRs to go with it), it's pretty trustworthy.
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@Teproc: since the action is unblockable, what do you think about lynching SirMartin now?
I agree with basically everything else you said.
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Haddock claims to be unblockable because he doesn't target to revive. He just revives all janitored town.
No. Stop twisting my words. I never said this. I can't be redirected tonight but a roleblock would still block me unless Hydrad helps out.
I could have been redirected last night I guess. But that would require a) a redirection on the scum team which seems unlikely with Hydrad being a thing and b) for the redirection to be target based since anything targetting me last night would have hit awa according to Hydrad.
There are a lot of ifs and buts here. So maybe it's not a perfect plan. I went for the vote early on since I just assumed based on yesterday that you guys would definitely want me to prove myself. Apparently I'm not quite as scummy as I thought. Rereads happening, I'll see if my vote is better elsewhere.
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There went my theory the setup contained no redirection.
Also, if killing actions, which require guessing the alignment correctly to work, are redirected to another target would the alignment guess have to apply to original target or the redirected target? I am guessing the latter. Thus, it would appear to me that Awaclus would have to have had the same alignment as Haddock for the redirection to kill him.
What I do do not require to guess alignment
Well, this thing you do kills townies. Vig?
Oh yeah, I had seen taht EgorK might have claimed vig in the neighborhood... if so this is the weiredest, most non-commital claim I've ever seen.
Neighborhood?
Also Awaclus is euro, not ameritrash
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Teproc is even more towny imo. I like teproc this game.
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well actually I liked teproc in the last game also. but I was scum there so I couldn't really say that.
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Teproc is definitely town. So much so I will sheep the Vote: gkrieg even though I have no idea why. I am almost positive Haddock is town, too.
I also agree that it is weird how egork claimed an expected result but not the actual mechanism and avoided confirming my speculation that he is a vig.
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Are we still quibbling about this?
I really thought it was only the one shot bit that I'd failed to properly explain, but apparently not.
The janitoring is targeted, I targeted chairs last night. Then the janitoring happens if that person gets lynched.
Once I've been correct once and a janitoring has gone through, I no longer get to target at night. Instead i get the option to take an untargeted action; I can put Funny Feeling in my QT on any night (once I've janitored successfully) to revive whoever I janitored. Once that happens I'm basically a VT.
Can you please get mod confirmation on what classification the "Funny Feeling" action falls under?
Looking at the list, my instinct is Miscellaneous. But could be Protect I guess. Either way it happens before a kill. I will check this and get back to you.
Ok, to clarify what I thought was scummy about you targeting chairs.
The way I expect you to use your role is to pick the scummiest person you can think of, and then try to get them lynched. I have a hard time believing chairs/SirMartin was your top scum read after day 1. THe only reason he got a wagon was his absence, which was explained by his replacing out. It read to me like you pretented to target him because you figured no one would object to lynching him too much, ie going with a consensual pick rather than your own read. Surely you ca see how this is scummy.
Ok. This would all be reasonable. But it's based on the assumption that his only scumminess was his lurking. That was never the major factor in my finding chairs scummy. The thing I found superscummy of chairs was his consistent RR vote. It just wasn't a believable scum read. RR is so so towny here. I think SS pushed RR as well, and I found him scummy for it as well until I realised that SS always seems to tunnel the unusual targets on D1.
Yesterday's events are this :
1) You got a wagon on you
2) You claimed, including your alignment, something scum "needs" to get a kill
3) You no longer had a wagon on you
That makes you a potential NK. They have your alignment, you're not too likely to be protected but you're not likely to be lynched either. Makes sense to me...
OK. My perception was a little different, I still felt a bit pressured even with people voting elsewhere. It felt to me more like people were reluctantly unvoting because they thought there was just enough resistance to stop the lynch. But yes I guess if you see it that way scum killing me makes sense.
Chances of EgorK and scum both targetting me feel fairly low in any case.
PPE a couple. More coming.
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Reads list, towniest to scummiest-
Hydrad
EgorK
Teproc
PPS
ash
Roadrunner
SirMartin
SS
gkrieg
WW
Haddock
I would probably be okay lynching anyone in the bottom four. There's a gkrieg wagon, right? vote: gkrieg
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Man, I thought ADK thought I was town.
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The more that was coming is really just a reads list. Having reread some stuff I finally feel like I have something to go on for most people.
So. No particular order.
RR: strongly town. I feel like I know RR fairly well by now. Not played with scum him much, but pretty damn sure this isnt it.
Teproc: D1 I yoyoed a bit on teproc. Today, he's pretty towny. His going back and forth on me feels like a naturally evolving read. Solid generally. I mean, teproc is probably capable of emulating this, but right now hes towny.
Hydrad: on the whole just being hydrad. Cant say anything. But his redirection claim does a lot for him. Would not lynch today.
EgorK. I typically find him scummy and vice versa I think. But middling town here, the way the vig thing came out aroumd hydrads claim looked so realistic. Either they're both scum pulling something elaborate, or Egor is town.
Ash: ashy. Done some weird stuff I guess but nothing out of character as far as I can tell. He's always hard to read. What has stood out lately is his determination to paint my claim as being less clear than it was. I went back and looked at it, specifically, and it's really not that bad. The semi one shot is missing but the rest of the detail is all pretty much there, it seems to me. That the whole thing fails on scum was the othet thing. But I said something like "it doesnt work on scum which makes the role way better". This to me strongly implies that the whole thing fails on scum, since the resurrection failing on scum doesnt really help us that much, quite the opposite really since we dont know why it failed.
Gone offtopic a bit. Point was, Ashs confusion re. my claim is starting to look forced. Mild scum.
Brings me to WW: same as ash in that he's been his usual hard to read self afai can see. The exception once again is his treatment of me and my claim. I actually think his confusion looks less forced than Ashs, but its still a bit scummy. He ends up on roughly the same scumlevel as ash overall, based on gut.
ADK. Never played with him before. Seems to be making sense mostly. null to mild town.
PPS: blah. You know how teproc says that he townreads people who are voting him? Im getting the converse a bit with PPS. Hes stepped up to the plate to defend me to some extent, and its a bit weird, im not used to that. Otherwise hes been sensible though. Another null, not played with him before.
Chairs/SirMartin: was scummy yesterday as ive said above. But maybe he just screwed up, since SirMartin has been pretty towny in his few posts. I will move my vote shortly, since it looks like I'm not janitoring today.
Gkrieg: probably my vote choice at the moment. The case on him has been made already, not much to add. Im only hesitant because I don't know how much of my scumread on him is the OMGUS talking. But yeah scummy.
Ss: several people like the Ss vote right now. Its a bit early for targeted rereads but I think I'll do one on Ss in the next post, since I dont know where these votes are coming from. After my confusion with D1 cleared up, my instinct has been saying townSS.
That everyone? Think so.
PPE. Naww ADK, I <3 you too. Jeez. Watch the OMGUS force bend my scumometer reading.
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bwahahha I'm a town read! fear me scum!
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SS owes ichi all the dollar. Just sayin'
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SS owes ichi all the dollar. Just sayin'
what?
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SS:
Interesting.
I'm open for this plan. One condition: if it turns out that you don't really have anything, we'll have to assume that you're scum deceiving us and have to lynch you. Is that okay/do you promise that you have a solid plan that will really benefit us?
Ichi 1.
This is a dangerous suggestion. Dunno if thats an alignment tell though. He changes his mind later, in a townyish way.
What do you think about Ghacob's reaction? I think that was the worst one.
This was pretty early in the day. Is this basically the beginning of the ghacob wagon? Possibly.
interesting
Ichi 2
See, this is the result of my masterplan. Well, the plan is simply to make RR feel pressured and do weird stuff.
Unfortunately, I'm still not sure if he's town or scum. His weirdness doesn't give me instant obv!town vibes.
Bleh masterplans.
This feels like a townclash. I think townSS really likes to tunnel a controversial pick on D1, just to mix things up. So I guess townpoints?
okay. Town then I guess.
vote: Ghacob
although the sheeping was a bit creepy
ash, explain your plan thing.
More ghacob vote. Is this too blatant a move to push a mislynch? Town points I think.
vote: ss
It's clear I've learned to read scum!you. I'd suggest trying to change my mind.
you said I was scum in every game since our argument. After 4 or so games you were right once. That's not evidence. That was just an inevitable thing.
you also said yuma was scum in the tree game; I don't want to take away from that. But your read on me was not impressive, and you're wrong now, so that's likewise not impressive.
This is more to do with ash, but wth is this about? Ashs self confidence is normal probably, but I dont get the background that led to this. Anyway.
alright, sure. I'm euro game
now I'm conf!town?
Noting that this is big townpoints for SS, I believe teproc if he says SS has something extra going for him.
vote: gkrieg
Straight-up awaclusy vote here. This is abnormal for SS right? Scummy.
scum probably tried to kill me and it failed. I hereby claim IC.
Huh?
interesting
Ichi 3
I think I will just claim my target.
I went for chairs/sirMartin . Close call in fact since I nearly went for awa, which would have been short of ideal.
So yeah if we think chairs was scummy (which I still do, sorry sirmartin.) then he's definitely a safe lynch.
vote: sirmartin
Now this, I do not like at all.
vote: Haddock
I agree.
Vote: Haddock
interesting
ichi 4
scummy business
This at RRs vote on me. Yeah I think this is worth a couple of scumpoints for Ss. Beyond a townclash with Rr and defending me oddly, same as PPS.
@Teproc: since the action is unblockable...
Sigh... See the damage you're doing ash? Youre the one who said unblockable, I never did.
And thats it.
He's getting scummier as time passes. I understand the votes on him now I think. But he's not yet lynchable to my mind.
I prefer gkrieg and will vote him once ive checked I'm not derphammering.
PPE. See the above. Ichi has copyright on the word "interesting".
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I prefer gkrieg and will vote him once ive checked I'm not derphammering.
vote: gkrieg
is 4 votes AFAIK.
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I'm sad that I was gone for six months and people are still super-fixated on the word "interesting". It's a legitimate word to use to describe your reaction to something, I am not at all convinced that someone playing scum is more likely to use it than someone playing town, and I think that focusing on insignificant details like that, especially ones that let them have "easy" reads, is super scummy.
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I'm sorry.
I should have been more clear. I'm basically giving SS town points for interesting. The ichi joke is longrunning and I think SS is largely doing it for comic effect.
I thought my dollar thing would make it clear that my "Ichi count" wasn't a serious thing.
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Just watched Hateful Eight so I'm suspicious of everyone and looking for jelly beans in the floor cracks.
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Vote Count 2.2
SirMartin (2): silverspawn, Hydrad
Haddock (3): Witherweaver, EgorK, gkrieg13
silverspawn (1): ashersky
gkreig13 (4): Teproc, pingpongsam, A Drowned Kernel, Haddock
Not Voting (2): SirMartin, Roadrunner7671
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. D2 ends January 26th at 10:05 AM. Bankable time starts in ~8 hours.
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Looking at the list, my instinct is Miscellaneous.
Arch confirms, my resurrect action is in Miscellaneous.
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Maybe we won't have to use much bankable time. I'm okay with a Gkreig lynch, but I usually am, regardless of his alignment.
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Days are where town wins the game, folks.
Ok, probably less true in RMM, but still. Wasting a day has a real cost. SirMartin having been targeted makes him a more appealing lynch than normal, but we should still only lynch him if we think he's scum, which I don't particularly.
How do you have any read on him?
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Actually Chairs is sensible as a target.. he doesn't post much and is really hard to read.. if Haddock is seeing his role as a pseudo investigative role, then that makes sense.
Chairs didn't get replaced until the day started, right?
WW is wrong about everything in this game.
You only have to be right at the end!
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Ok, you guys suck. Both of those wagons are terrible.
If I understand things correctly, lynching SirMartin only verifies Haddock's claim if:
1) SirMartin is town (fine, since if he's scum we're happy too)
2) Haddock gets to revive him the next day
Which, 2) doesn't work if scum has any roleblocking capabilites. Which, in RMM, seems likely right ?
So, lynching SirMartin for PR reasons seem horrible. For reads reason, it seems meh at best.
And lynching Haddock is bad because he's town. So now, let's...
This makes sense.
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I probably won't really get to this game until next week.
Teproc, did you think from the beginning that Haddock's Janitor part did not work on scum? Also, I don't understand the flavor thing.
Yes.
What is there to not understand ? His power and the name of his abilities fit the flavour great, and I can't think of a mass-market game it would fit. Unless scum has full fakeclaims (ie not just names, but fake PRs to go with it), it's pretty trustworthy.
So I mean I don't know the flavor. I'm also bothered by the lynch-Janitor that doesn't clean up scum. And what is 'scum' here? Not his alignment? Mass market only?
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*in.
So I am Last night On Earth, the ameritrash Reviving Janitor.
My role isn't that amazing and requires some coordination to work at all, hence why I'm fairly happy to claim here.
It's a two part thing.
The first part is called Eaten Brains. It's a night action where I try to predict the next day's lynch. If I predict correctly then that persons details will be hidden at the flip. Then I can use the other part, which is called "I feel kinda strange" to revive that person on a later day.
As I understand it, it will fail if used on scum, which only makes it better as far as I can tell.
Does everyone else have flavour names assigned to their individual roles? I thought that was kinda awesome.
Like, that's a weird line to put in there, given this setup.
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I agree about the DirMartin thing, I was only doing it cause all the cool kids were.
But in reality, I only really have a scum read on Haddock, but I have a sinking suspicion that he's just town being scummy. So SirMartin was as good a lynch as any. Unvote
Maybe I should retread gkreig
Maybe we won't have to use much bankable time. I'm okay with a Gkreig lynch, but I usually am, regardless of his alignment.
This is scummy from RR.
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*in.
So I am Last night On Earth, the ameritrash Reviving Janitor.
My role isn't that amazing and requires some coordination to work at all, hence why I'm fairly happy to claim here.
It's a two part thing.
The first part is called Eaten Brains. It's a night action where I try to predict the next day's lynch. If I predict correctly then that persons details will be hidden at the flip. Then I can use the other part, which is called "I feel kinda strange" to revive that person on a later day.
As I understand it, it will fail if used on scum, which only makes it better as far as I can tell.
Does everyone else have flavour names assigned to their individual roles? I thought that was kinda awesome.
Like, that's a weird line to put in there, given this setup.
Whats a weird line? Youve quoted my entire post.
You're really asking me to define "scum"? In this game, there is no question that scum means Mass Market.
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I don't believe Haddock's claim, but I can see why this might be worth it. Vote: SirMartin
This belonged in the RR quotes.
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This is scummy from RR.
I think it's lazy play, which might be scummy for some people. But not for RR, really.
PPE.
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I don't believe Haddock's claim, but I can see why this might be worth it. Vote: SirMartin
This belonged in the RR quotes.
So I'm scummy now?
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*in.
So I am Last night On Earth, the ameritrash Reviving Janitor.
My role isn't that amazing and requires some coordination to work at all, hence why I'm fairly happy to claim here.
It's a two part thing.
The first part is called Eaten Brains. It's a night action where I try to predict the next day's lynch. If I predict correctly then that persons details will be hidden at the flip. Then I can use the other part, which is called "I feel kinda strange" to revive that person on a later day.
As I understand it, it will fail if used on scum, which only makes it better as far as I can tell.
Does everyone else have flavour names assigned to their individual roles? I thought that was kinda awesome.
Like, that's a weird line to put in there, given this setup.
Whats a weird line? Youve quoted my entire post.
You're really asking me to define "scum"? In this game, there is no question that scum means Mass Market.
I mean you saying "As I understand it, it will fail if used on scum, which only makes it better as far as I can tell."
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In which case I have no idea why you have a problem with that line being there.
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Vote Count 2.3
SirMartin (2): silverspawn, Hydrad
Haddock (3): Witherweaver, EgorK, gkrieg13
silverspawn (1): ashersky
gkreig13 (4): Teproc, pingpongsam, A Drowned Kernel, Haddock
Not Voting (2): SirMartin, Roadrunner7671
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. D2 ends January 26th at 10:05 AM. ~2 Hours of bankable time have been used.
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One, why "as I understand it"? What's ambiguous? Why does your ability not work on Mass Market games, but does on Euro? And why did you say 'scum' here instead of using alignments?
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I don't believe Haddock's claim, but I can see why this might be worth it. Vote: SirMartin
This belonged in the RR quotes.
So I'm scummy now?
You always are. The question is just whether you're scum or town.
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I don't believe Haddock's claim, but I can see why this might be worth it. Vote: SirMartin
This belonged in the RR quotes.
So I'm scummy now?
You always are. The question is just whether you're scum or town.
Do you think I am scum or town?
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One, why "as I understand it"? What's ambiguous? Why does your ability not work on Mass Market games, but does on Euro? And why did you say 'scum' here instead of using alignments?
Right so your problem is with the content of the line, not it's position. I see.
I had to check with arch that it didnt work on mass market, because as I noted that makes it more powerful than it would be otherwise. I guess arch wanted to make it slightly more powerful, seems a good way to do it.
Explaining why it works on both town factions is something left to the mods, I can only assume it is to encourage cooperation. Which is a different discussion.
I still can't believe you're quibbling my usage of the word scum here! Surely it's totally obvious to everyone what scum means. For Christ's sake.
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I don't believe Haddock's claim, but I can see why this might be worth it. Vote: SirMartin
This belonged in the RR quotes.
So I'm scummy now?
You always are. The question is just whether you're scum or town.
Do you think I am scum or town?
I don't know. Let's just lynch you and find out.
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I don't believe Haddock's claim, but I can see why this might be worth it. Vote: SirMartin
This belonged in the RR quotes.
So I'm scummy now?
You always are. The question is just whether you're scum or town.
Do you think I am scum or town?
I don't know. Let's just lynch you and find out.
Let's not.
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You always are. The question is just whether you're scum or town.
I really think RR is a different brand of scummy when he's actually scum.
Sure, feel free to carry on tunneling him, but I think youre on the wrong track here.
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I've neglected this game, I'm sorry. I think lynching me is a good idea. Either I come back and Haddock and I are both confirmed town (which is good) or I don't come back and we can lynch Haddock because of that. That would be a 1:1 trade, which is a good deal.
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One, why "as I understand it"? What's ambiguous? Why does your ability not work on Mass Market games, but does on Euro? And why did you say 'scum' here instead of using alignments?
Right so your problem is with the content of the line, not it's position. I see.
I had to check with arch that it didnt work on mass market, because as I noted that makes it more powerful than it would be otherwise. I guess arch wanted to make it slightly more powerful, seems a good way to do it.
Explaining why it works on both town factions is something left to the mods, I can only assume it is to encourage cooperation. Which is a different discussion.
I still can't believe you're quibbling my usage of the word scum here! Surely it's totally obvious to everyone what scum means. For Christ's sake.
Why would you have to check? Are you saying your role was changed from when you initially received it?
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You always are. The question is just whether you're scum or town.
I really think RR is a different brand of scummy when he's actually scum.
Sure, feel free to carry on tunneling him, but I think youre on the wrong track here.
I think he's on the wrong track, too.
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I've neglected this game, I'm sorry. I think lynching me is a good idea. Either I come back and Haddock and I are both confirmed town (which is good) or I don't come back and we can lynch Haddock because of that. That would be a 1:1 trade, which is a good deal.
There are issues.
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I've neglected this game, I'm sorry. I think lynching me is a good idea. Either I come back and Haddock and I are both confirmed town (which is good) or I don't come back and we can lynch Haddock because of that. That would be a 1:1 trade, which is a good deal.
There are issues.
But they're unlikely to come up. I think it's worth it, but maybe we should just lynch Haddock.
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Why would you have to check? Are you saying your role was changed from when you initially received it?
No. Im saying I double checked the details of the role because it's quite unusual and, I say again, this is my first RMM game so I've never had a role as complex as this before.
I've neglected this game, I'm sorry. I think lynching me is a good idea. Either I come back and Haddock and I are both confirmed town (which is good) or I don't come back and we can lynch Haddock because of that. That would be a 1:1 trade, which is a good deal.
There are issues.
Ooh, something we agree on!
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I think it would be super if SirMartin and Haddock were removed from the lynch pool for today. I think they are both town and I think trying to use the powers will backfire in some impossible to forecast way. I am confused as to why either of them are still considered scummy enough to lynch today.
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Watcher should claim.
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Wait, what? How do we know there's a watcher?
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and even if we knew there was a watcher is it useful for him to claim? How do we know he has anything useful to claim.
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Watcher should claim.
Actually, maybe not.
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Is there anyone still opposed to the idea of alignment claiming?
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Is there anyone still opposed to the idea of alignment claiming?
Silver, maybe ? Kinda ? But he claimed already, so... let's do it ?
I've claimed this to ash already anyway so... I'm a Eurogame, naturally enough.
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Now that so many people have, I would be fine with alignment claiming. I think it would've been better to keep it to just a few people though.
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Now that so many people have, I would be fine with alignment claiming. I think it would've been better to keep it to just a few people though.
Yes, it's very sad. Now you can claim too.
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I'm ameritrash
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So far we have :
Ameritrash :
- Ghacob => confirmed
- Haddock
- ashersky
- gkrieg13
Eurogame :
- Awaclus (Acquire, Thieving Component Cop) => confirmed
- Teproc
- silver
- Roadrunner7671
Unknown :
- pingpongsam
- A Drowned Kernel
- Witherweaver
- SirMartin
- Hydrad
- EgorK
Unless I missed something somewhere ?
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PPS are you still opposed to claiming?
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PPS are you still opposed to claiming?
Ameritrash
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Euro
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Well then...
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I don't like this at all, but now you might aswell finish
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I don't like this at all, but now you might aswell finish
You first.
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vote: gkrieg
Reread his day 2. Completely following the flow back and forth on Haddock, saying he's rethinking his position and believes the claim but not unvoting. Also his day 1 was also super scummy, we should have lynched him then.
So this is the only case I could find on my lynch. And I'm the leading wagon.
I don't feel like I was following the flow back and forth, but this could be from people making good cases on him either way and me going back and forth on him. I don't think he or SirMartin should be in the lynch pool today. I didn't unvote at that time because there wasn't enough of a wagon for him to be in any real danger and because I needed to find someone else to vote for.
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vote: RR
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vote: RR
Man...
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Vote: RR
Time to play the game instead of comedy hour.
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Vote: RR
Time to play the game instead of comedy hour.
Man, what do you want from me? A claim? A flip? This isn't going to work.
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I don't like this at all, but now you might aswell finish
You first.
I claimed day 1 because of the QT thing
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Wait, I super don't care if I get close to being lynched, I can confirm my role unless I targeted scum if it comes down to that.
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Vote: RR
Time to play the game instead of comedy hour.
Man, what do you want from me? A claim? A flip? This isn't going to work.
I want you to hunt scum, make analysis, you know, play the game. All I've seen so far is you question what other people think of your alignment. It's useless for those of us who are trying to play the game. Some could even say it's trying to appear active while doing nothing at all.
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Vote: RR
Time to play the game instead of comedy hour.
Man, what do you want from me? A claim? A flip? This isn't going to work.
I want you to hunt scum, make analysis, you know, play the game. All I've seen so far is you question what other people think of your alignment. It's useless for those of us who are trying to play the game. Some could even say it's trying to appear active while doing nothing at all.
So it's scummy? And my reads are awful. Maybe I'll make a list, but huntinh scum is not my strong suit.
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Vote: RR
Time to play the game instead of comedy hour.
Man, what do you want from me? A claim? A flip? This isn't going to work.
I want you to hunt scum, make analysis, you know, play the game. All I've seen so far is you question what other people think of your alignment. It's useless for those of us who are trying to play the game. Some could even say it's trying to appear active while doing nothing at all.
So it's scummy? And my reads are awful. Maybe I'll make a list, but huntinh scum is not my strong suit.
Practice makes perfect.
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Vote: RR
Time to play the game instead of comedy hour.
Man, what do you want from me? A claim? A flip? This isn't going to work.
I want you to hunt scum, make analysis, you know, play the game. All I've seen so far is you question what other people think of your alignment. It's useless for those of us who are trying to play the game. Some could even say it's trying to appear active while doing nothing at all.
So it's scummy? And my reads are awful. Maybe I'll make a list, but huntinh scum is not my strong suit.
Practice makes perfect.
But everytime I practice and mess up, another person will die.
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But everytime I practice and mess up, another person will die.
Every time you don't do anything to help, someone will die as well.
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But everytime I practice and mess up, another person will die.
Every time you don't do anything to help, someone will die as well.
Maybe even RR himself!
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But everytime I practice and mess up, another person will die.
Every time you don't do anything to help, someone will die as well.
But that person might be scum!
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Everyone's reads are awful most of the time. That's fine. As WW puts it, the only time your reads really matter is at the end.
That's not entirely true, because you do need to lynch scum along the way, but look at Marvel Heroes. Town got plenty of things wrong, everyone did, WW included.
If you don't think you're good at catching scum (again, very few people are and I'm not one of them either), try to identify who's town and work your way from there.
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I'm not very good at catching town either, but that is good advice.
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I have fairly weak scum reads this game. Not really sure why.
I think we should lynch ss. That would help immensely.
Or RR. Or WW. Really any double letter person.
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I have fairly weak scum reads this game. Not really sure why.
I think we should lynch ss. That would help immensely.
Or RR. Or WW. Really any double letter person.
aSherSky
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I have fairly weak scum reads this game. Not really sure why.
I think we should lynch ss. That would help immensely.
Or RR. Or WW. Really any double letter person.
You always want to lynch SS, and you seem to like to lynch me.
Whyyyy?
PPE
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When does bankable time start? Soon, right?
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Oh and I find ashersky scummy.
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Oh and I find ashersky scummy.
Why?
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Well, since I've claimed alignment I'm pretty in favor of lynching anyone who hasn't.
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Well, since I've claimed alignment I'm pretty in favor of lynching anyone who hasn't.
Most people haven't.
Isn't it just me, you, Asherksky and AKD?
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Edit: Also Haddock.
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FWIW pps claiming ameritrash is what I'd expect. Probably should have waited for him to claim first (since I had claimed to ash), because he could have just guessed that being "opposite" factions made the most sense, but still.
BY the way, whatever you do, please don't lynch people today. Once we're done with the alignment claiming, I have something to claim too.
PPE : Not really. Only people who haven't claimed are SirMartin, Hydrad, WW and EgorK.
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PPE : Not really. Only people who haven't claimed are SirMartin, Hydrad, WW and EgorK.
Yeah, I'd lynch any one of those 4 without feeling bad. That's right, I was Vote: WW wasn't I?
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Oh, look. Last night's death explanation came from 3 people not yet claimed. Is it too far fetched to think scum got a NK but contrived a story of how a town vig shot got redirected instead? I mean, it seems overly complicated since they could just say nothing but the town cred...
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That reminds me...
It's unclear to me what Egork claimed or did not claim. I would like that to stop, so EgorK : please clarify as much as you can.
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I can claim but I will be unfortunately inactive for the rest of the day. I'm Ameritrash.
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That reminds me...
It's unclear to me what Egork claimed or did not claim. I would like that to stop, so EgorK : please clarify as much as you can.
I claimed that if Hydrad tells truth about his role/action I was likely responsible for Awa death
Also I am ameritrash
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That reminds me...
It's unclear to me what Egork claimed or did not claim. I would like that to stop, so EgorK : please clarify as much as you can.
I claimed that if Hydrad tells truth about his role/action I was likely responsible for Awa death
Also I am ameritrash
I'm sorry but I'm going to need you to be clearer than that.
I'll put it this way : did you take an action that would have resulted in Awaclus's death ? And could you do that again (ie are you some kind of a vig yes or not) ?
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Euro masterrace!
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Euro masterrace!
Yay! I don't mean to brag, but the weak Ameritrash have already lost two members! If we assume one scum fake claimed Ameritrash, then our pure race or Euro will take over forum Mafia in no time!
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Only missing WW then. He'll claim when he claims, I'll do my thing.
I received an item today. Paper Money. Prevents me from using any night action unless I'm a Mass Market game. I guess I could have waited till tomorrow to claim this, but I assume it came from scum so they already know anyway, and I figure there might be some value in coordinating its usage, either through weird PRs relating to items, or just deciding who I should give it to tomorrow.
This also shows that there are ways for scum to block abilities that don't seem like they could be blocked : if Haddock had this thing, he would definitely not be able to revive for example.
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I am a Euro Game.
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Anybody want to post a tabulation of the claims?
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Only missing WW then. He'll claim when he claims, I'll do my thing.
I received an item today. Paper Money. Prevents me from using any night action unless I'm a Mass Market game. I guess I could have waited till tomorrow to claim this, but I assume it came from scum so they already know anyway, and I figure there might be some value in coordinating its usage, either through weird PRs relating to items, or just deciding who I should give it to tomorrow.
This also shows that there are ways for scum to block abilities that don't seem like they could be blocked : if Haddock had this thing, he would definitely not be able to revive for example.
Send the paper money to me. My deeds are done and anything I do now could easily benefit scum so not being able to do it is perfect. Too bad scum gets it back when they kill.
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Ameritrash:
Ghacob (dead)
Haddock
ash
gkrieg
PPS
SirMartin
EgorK
Euro:
Awaclus (dead)
Teproc
Silver
RR
ADK
Hydrad
WW
So claims are split 50/50.
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That is kind of suspicious.
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That's very suspicious.
FTFY
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I suppose scum could have discussed what alignment to claim ahead of time.
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Which was maybe Asherksy's point in getting the alignment out early.
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Only missing WW then. He'll claim when he claims, I'll do my thing.
I received an item today. Paper Money. Prevents me from using any night action unless I'm a Mass Market game. I guess I could have waited till tomorrow to claim this, but I assume it came from scum so they already know anyway, and I figure there might be some value in coordinating its usage, either through weird PRs relating to items, or just deciding who I should give it to tomorrow.
This also shows that there are ways for scum to block abilities that don't seem like they could be blocked : if Haddock had this thing, he would definitely not be able to revive for example.
Send the paper money to me. My deeds are done and anything I do now could easily benefit scum so not being able to do it is perfect. Too bad scum gets it back when they kill.
Um...
I would disagree. You still are useful in at least one way, right ?
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Only missing WW then. He'll claim when he claims, I'll do my thing.
I received an item today. Paper Money. Prevents me from using any night action unless I'm a Mass Market game. I guess I could have waited till tomorrow to claim this, but I assume it came from scum so they already know anyway, and I figure there might be some value in coordinating its usage, either through weird PRs relating to items, or just deciding who I should give it to tomorrow.
This also shows that there are ways for scum to block abilities that don't seem like they could be blocked : if Haddock had this thing, he would definitely not be able to revive for example.
Send the paper money to me. My deeds are done and anything I do now could easily benefit scum so not being able to do it is perfect. Too bad scum gets it back when they kill.
Um...
I would disagree. You still are useful in at least one way, right ?
If I'm following your earlier softclaim correctly at least.
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Only missing WW then. He'll claim when he claims, I'll do my thing.
I received an item today. Paper Money. Prevents me from using any night action unless I'm a Mass Market game. I guess I could have waited till tomorrow to claim this, but I assume it came from scum so they already know anyway, and I figure there might be some value in coordinating its usage, either through weird PRs relating to items, or just deciding who I should give it to tomorrow.
This also shows that there are ways for scum to block abilities that don't seem like they could be blocked : if Haddock had this thing, he would definitely not be able to revive for example.
Send the paper money to me. My deeds are done and anything I do now could easily benefit scum so not being able to do it is perfect. Too bad scum gets it back when they kill.
Um...
I would disagree. You still are useful in at least one way, right ?
If I'm following your earlier softclaim correctly at least.
You should already know what you need to know and already did what you needed to do. Even still, once the paper money is handed off you can still do that thing at least for now. You do know what you need to do, right?
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Well, if you're saying you don't have anything left to do, you might as well claim right ? Because from my perspective, you saying that doesn't really make sense.
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That reminds me...
It's unclear to me what Egork claimed or did not claim. I would like that to stop, so EgorK : please clarify as much as you can.
I claimed that if Hydrad tells truth about his role/action I was likely responsible for Awa death
Also I am ameritrash
I'm sorry but I'm going to need you to be clearer than that.
I'll put it this way : did you take an action that would have resulted in Awaclus's death ? And could you do that again (ie are you some kind of a vig yes or not) ?
I do not see any town benefit to reveal more of my role
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I think I'm understanding something.
What's true for you is true for me. So you're saying I need to do something right ? Because, well, you've done that.
It works both ways. You should also do something because I've done it.
Hopefully this is cryptic enough ? But you get it.
In any case there's definitely value in you doing stuff still, I can guarantee you that.
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The above was adressed to pps, obviously.
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I just know that I enable and how I enable but not what I enable. If can enable you to do that thing more than once then maybe we should give the paper money to someone else. That said, my remaining night actions would be just as beneficial to scum as town so if we're done doing that thing the paper money is best left with me. I'll go ahead and claim that the other thing I do is compulsive so not having to do it would be kind of sweet.
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Also, I am not opposed to full claiming minus the teproc bit.
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Watever you've enabled is relatively unlikely to happen because of the paper money unfortunately.
I'd be interested in you claiming the compulsive, potentially anti-town part of our role, that'd allow me to evaluate if I want to give you the paper money later.
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Catching up.
I don't actually expect an answer to this question. But it summarises my thoughts:
What the Christing McBollockWaffles is going on between Teproc and PPS?
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Catching up.
I don't actually expect an answer to this question. But it summarises my thoughts:
What the Christing McBollockWaffles is going on between Teproc and PPS?
If you were paying attention D1 you'd know me and teproc have a torrid love affair. He was after my head until I made it obvious I was the one he was in love with. This today is just PDA.
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Catching up.
I don't actually expect an answer to this question. But it summarises my thoughts:
What the Christing McBollockWaffles is going on between Teproc and PPS?
pps has claimed on day 1 to have a role that is related to mine. I can confirm that such a role exists, and very clearly pps is it since no one contradicted him (and also how would he know) ? We are trying to cooperate without saying what we're doing because, you know. And it's complicated because we only have limited information.
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I'm scared to ask but... PDA ?
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Public display of affection.
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Is there anything lost by claiming flavor?
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Flavor and role are related... I don't think one could guess my role with my flavor, but I don't particularly see a benefit either.
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Okay, I am Innovation and my role is Reflexive Inventor.
Shall I continue or is that sufficient?
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Is there anything lost by claiming flavor?
I don't see anything. I'm Dominion.
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Is there anything lost by claiming flavor?
I don't see anything. I'm Dominion.
Lucky bastard.
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Catching up.
I don't actually expect an answer to this question. But it summarises my thoughts:
What the Christing McBollockWaffles is going on between Teproc and PPS?
If you were paying attention D1 you'd know me and teproc have a torrid love affair. He was after my head until I made it obvious I was the one he was in love with. This today is just PDA.
Oh yeah I forgot about you guys having a thing. I'd basically left you to it since it hadnt been relevant til now.
Dont let me be a third wheel.
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Dont let me be a third wheel.
Feels like everyone around here has a neighbor or a secret lover. But ADK looks free. And how can you pass up that profile picture?
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We're all claimed up. When I wake up I expect ashersky to have posted how to break the game and win for both town factions.
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We're all claimed up. When I wake up I expect ashersky to have posted how to break the game and win for both town factions.
And if that doesn't happen?
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So now we just die easier, right?
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Vote Count 2.4
Witherweaver (1): pingpongsam
Roadrunner7671 (1): gkrieg13
SirMartin (2): silverspawn, Hydrad
Haddock (2): Witherweaver, EgorK
silverspawn (1): ashersky
gkreig13 (3): Teproc, A Drowned Kernel, Haddock
Not Voting (2): SirMartin, Roadrunner7671
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. D2 ends January 26th at 10:05 AM. ~36 hours of bankable time have been used.
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We're all claimed up. When I wake up I expect ashersky to have posted how to break the game and win for both town factions.
And if that doesn't happen?
I don't know, should I Vote: ashersky or Vote: RR?
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We're all claimed up. When I wake up I expect ashersky to have posted how to break the game and win for both town factions.
Still working on it. Two factors playing into this -- we claimed late, with two deaths affecting it, and given everything, we ended up at 7/7.
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Seems like a lot of lurking going on, so I looked at post counts:
SirMartin: 12 (didn't count chairs's posts)
EgorK: 25
Hydrad: 51
ADK: 52 (didn't count II's posts)
gkrieg: 61
ash: 63
ss: 82
Haddock: 88
WW: 100
pps: 135
Teproc: 169
RR: 177
The only thing that stands out here is ss. He has posted a lot more in other games in the past. Maybe he is just doing a lot of posting in his neighborhood? Other than that, I didn't really get anything out of this, but I figured I'd post it anyway
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neighborhood is at 136 posts
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Seems like a lot of lurking going on, so I looked at post counts:
SirMartin: 12 (didn't count chairs's posts)
EgorK: 25
Hydrad: 51
ADK: 52 (didn't count II's posts)
gkrieg: 61
ash: 63
ss: 82
Haddock: 88
WW: 100
pps: 135
Teproc: 169
RR: 177
The only thing that stands out here is ss. He has posted a lot more in other games in the past. Maybe he is just doing a lot of posting in his neighborhood? Other than that, I didn't really get anything out of this, but I figured I'd post it anyway
You can divide RR by 100 to get actual content posts.
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We're all claimed up. When I wake up I expect ashersky to have posted how to break the game and win for both town factions.
And if that doesn't happen?
I don't know, should I Vote: ashersky or Vote: RR?
Ugh. Voting RR is lunacy. Why do people do this.
That said, RR you do need to actually vote for somebody at some point. Same to you SirMartin.
Seems like a lot of lurking going on, so I looked at post counts:
SirMartin: 12 (didn't count chairs's posts)
EgorK: 25
Hydrad: 51
ADK: 52 (didn't count II's posts)
gkrieg: 61
ash: 63
ss: 82
Haddock: 88
WW: 100
pps: 135
Teproc: 169
RR: 177
The only thing that stands out here is ss. He has posted a lot more in other games in the past. Maybe he is just doing a lot of posting in his neighborhood? Other than that, I didn't really get anything out of this, but I figured I'd post it anyway
I have no numbers to support this, but doesn't ash usually post more as well? I guess there's neighbourhood shenanigans going on there too.
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I will vote for someone at some point.
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Vote: WW
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Vote: WW
This I could get behind, probably.
The problem I'm having here is that most of my scumreads are people I usually find scummy anyway. Ash would be the main exception and he's only a very mild scumread for me right now.
So while I could vote WW I'm pretty hesitant, not exactly objective here.
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The less ash posts the more I think he could be scum. I mean, really, how town has he really been this game? On the other hand, I think he wants to control the game more when he is scum. On the other, other hand, he could be playing against his scum meta in discomfort. I would not be opposed to his lynch today, either.
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I think there is no one I wouldn't lynch.
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I think there is no one I wouldn't lynch.
This. Although I wouldn't I would support a PPS lynch or a Teproc lynch at this point. Everyone else is either shady or lurky.
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I think there is no one I wouldn't lynch.
This. Although I wouldn't I would support a PPS lynch or a Teproc lynch at this point. Everyone else is either shady or lurky.
Yeah, those 2 are off my lynch list. I would be hard pressed to nix haddock, too. Oh, and ADK is a town read for me. Maybe a little later tonight I'll do another pops quiz. I get the feeling everyone not listed above has fallen to null to scum.
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TOWN
PPS - IC
Teproc - if he isn't then it doesn't matter because I've already banked that he is, seems like he probably is, though
Haddock - I believe the claim and everything surrounding it
ADK - came off strong when he subbed in but has abated over this day, still nothing scummy has come from him
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Silverspawn - I don't even know what to say. I owe him a reread but don't have time at the moment. I recall lots of claims he was towny. Seems there may have been a claim. I know I've never had the, hmm this guy is probably town feeling all game, though.
Roadrunner - useless as town, could be scum laughing in our faces the whole way, no problem lynching him even though I don't get any actual scum read on him
Hydrad - I usually read this guy scum regardless. I'm not seeing anything really scummy but then again I'm not seeing much of anything. My strongest null read.
Ashersky - has gone from claiming to break the game to not even finishing his thoughts. This is not classic anything ashersky. I'm leaning more and more scum on him but keep telling myself scum!ashersky would be more active. Would be willing to lynch today maybe but definitely tomorrow unless something happens to convince me otherwise
SirMartin - is this guy's role power lurking? I mean, is chairs contagious? Next to no content when he does post. Never played with him. Does strike me as scummy but sure doesn't strike me at all, either. No problem lynching here today.
Egork - did the vig thing that could be scum NK dressed up for town cred. That's far fetched. Heck, I don't know. I always think he is scum. His play seems so non committal. I could improve his position in the list but the truth is I started this with him in the scum bracket so this is the improvement he gets for now. Would lynch today but prefer someone else until I get something more to read on.
SCUM
Gkrieg. - totally looks to me like scum coasting through the days. Felt like he has been scum mint along all along. I see nothing to convince me otherwise, prefer to lynch him or withers.
CaptainWithers - almost positive he is scum. I feel like those I read as town are thinking he could be scum. I want to lynch this guy today. I think he is playing directly in his meta as flippant scum.
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You're right, I need to find more time to invest in this game.
So I am willing to lynch:
PPS
ADK
WitherWeaver
Gkreig
Roadrunner(?)
These are just the names of people who have been 'too quiet' or 'too loud.' Especially Roadrunner, but I really am not feeling his lynch though. When in doubt, I'd vote Roadrunner.
I actually like Vote: Gkreig for now.
And I really don't think the setup is broken. Hopefully Ashersky will prove me wrong.
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I still think we should use the Haddock chance to lynch Sirmartin. We get a chance to make a IC or find scum. Like people seem to be thinking that lynching martin means we waste a lynch and nothing happens. But really no one has a good read on him right? So instead of waiting until the end of the game and being like oh scum could of just lurked their way to victory here maybe hes scum. We know hes town. Or we can lynch him and be like wow he was scum and thats great.
I'd understand if people didn't want to lynch him if he was a strong town read for a bunch of people but hes not right now. Hes null so isn't this a perfect target?
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Although I will say I'm liking the Gkrieg wagon also. If it wasn't for Haddocks claim I'd probably join it. but we can do that tomorrow also still!
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So I really liked the gkrieg case initially. the fact that everyone does too weirds me out a bit.
what also weirds me out is that everyone thinks SirMartin is townie, because he just seems like new!scum to me.
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the SirMartin -> gkrieg jump is scary
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hm, actually, rereading him I'm not sure why I thought that. nvm, he's probably town.
so gkrieg wagon is good.
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If someone is a member of a faction other than green, blue, and red, I think you should claim. We can work with you.
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If someone is a member of a faction other than green, blue, and red, I think you should claim. We can work with you.
You'd auto-lynch a Survivor, I'd want to lynch a SK.
And do you think you could work it out for a Cultist?
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Cultist is bastard.
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Cultist is bastard.
Is zombie?
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hm, actually, rereading him I'm not sure why I thought that. nvm, he's probably town.
so gkrieg wagon is good.
Care to explain why my wagon is good?
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Cultist is bastard.
Is zombie?
I don't even know what it is and can't find it on the mafia wiki.
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hm, actually, rereading him I'm not sure why I thought that. nvm, he's probably town.
so gkrieg wagon is good.
Care to explain why my wagon is good?
well because I found you scummy.
I'll reread you some time. for now I don't recall any specific things anymore, except for the one that you immediately addressed the pressure on you. I remember that it bothered me that you ignored pressure completely in past games, but I think you were town there.
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Cultist is bastard.
Is zombie?
I don't even know what it is and can't find it on the mafia wiki.
Me either but I assume Haddock creates them.
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hm, actually, rereading him I'm not sure why I thought that. nvm, he's probably town.
so gkrieg wagon is good.
Care to explain why my wagon is good?
well because I found you scummy.
I'll reread you some time. for now I don't recall any specific things anymore, except for the one that you immediately addressed the pressure on you. I remember that it bothered me that you ignored pressure completely in past games, but I think you were town there.
If that's why my wagon is good, we can do better
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Cultist is bastard.
It's not strictly bastard.
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Cultist is bastard.
It's not strictly bastard.
sure, neither are alignment changes, or anything really.
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SS's run of 3 posts 1206-1208 give me more towny vibes, which is nice.
I'd like to see actual contribution from EgorK at some point? He's not really contributed anything useful in a while.
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SS's run of 3 posts 1206-1208 give me more towny vibes, which is nice.
I'd like to see actual contribution from EgorK at some point? He's not really contributed anything useful in a while.
I read along. I still do not want scum to know my reads
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SS's run of 3 posts 1206-1208 give me more towny vibes, which is nice.
I'd like to see actual contribution from EgorK at some point? He's not really contributed anything useful in a while.
I read along. I still do not want scum to know my reads
Well, clearly you don't want town to know your reads, either. The only good excuse I see for this is not broadcasting who you are most likely to vig. I don't think it's a good excuse for otherwise not participating in the game, though.
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SS's run of 3 posts 1206-1208 give me more towny vibes, which is nice.
I'd like to see actual contribution from EgorK at some point? He's not really contributed anything useful in a while.
I read along. I still do not want scum to know my reads
So, you make the most vague claim ever, refuse to elaborate on it except taht it probably invovles killing, and expect us to act as if you were an IC ? Because those are the only people who can (and should) not give reads.
Assuming you're town, scum doesn't even know exactly what you do, so we'll be fine. I'm sure you have multiple scum reads too, so unless they're somehow all correct you can WIFOM on who exactly you want to "shoot" out of these.
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This is super gross. Vote: EgorK
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Okay, I think either Teproc or EgorK are scum, or they both are. But I don't think they're both town. Egor pushed for a Haddock lynch, I think that's scummy. But I'm also not going to put my vote in the same place right after Roadrunner.
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Okay, I think either Teproc or EgorK are scum, or they both are. But I don't think they're both town.
Huh ? What lead you to this conclusion ?
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Okay, I think either Teproc or EgorK are scum, or they both are. But I don't think they're both town. Egor pushed for a Haddock lynch, I think that's scummy. But I'm also not going to put my vote in the same place right after Roadrunner.
I don't know how you are drawing this conclusion but if you are right then EgorK is the scum.
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Okay, I think either Teproc or EgorK are scum, or they both are. But I don't think they're both town.
Huh ? What lead you to this conclusion ?
Is 'my gut' an acceptable answer? It just feels like this little argument with Egor is staged, where either you're scum and so is he, or you're scum so you know he's town so the argument is still kind of staged. It's Hard to explain, but you might actually be my top scum read.
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Okay, I think either Teproc or EgorK are scum, or they both are. But I don't think they're both town. Egor pushed for a Haddock lynch, I think that's scummy. But I'm also not going to put my vote in the same place right after Roadrunner.
I don't know how you are drawing this conclusion but if you are right then EgorK is the scum.
I guess I should have looked at this before I made my post.
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Okay, I think either Teproc or EgorK are scum, or they both are. But I don't think they're both town.
Huh ? What lead you to this conclusion ?
Is 'my gut' an acceptable answer? It just feels like this little argument with Egor is staged, where either you're scum and so is he, or you're scum so you know he's town so the argument is still kind of staged. It's Hard to explain, but you might actually be my top scum read.
This is somehow unscummy, though the initial post was. I think scum here would try to construct a reason/argument here. Also, probably not go after Teproc.
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SS's run of 3 posts 1206-1208 give me more towny vibes, which is nice.
I'd like to see actual contribution from EgorK at some point? He's not really contributed anything useful in a while.
I read along. I still do not want scum to know my reads
So, you make the most vague claim ever, refuse to elaborate on it except taht it probably invovles killing, and expect us to act as if you were an IC ? Because those are the only people who can (and should) not give reads.
Assuming you're town, scum doesn't even know exactly what you do, so we'll be fine. I'm sure you have multiple scum reads too, so unless they're somehow all correct you can WIFOM on who exactly you want to "shoot" out of these.
This is well within town!Egor meta.
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Okay, I think either Teproc or EgorK are scum, or they both are. But I don't think they're both town.
Huh ? What lead you to this conclusion ?
Is 'my gut' an acceptable answer? It just feels like this little argument with Egor is staged, where either you're scum and so is he, or you're scum so you know he's town so the argument is still kind of staged. It's Hard to explain, but you might actually be my top scum read.
This is somehow unscummy, though the initial post was. I think scum here would try to construct a reason/argument here. Also, probably not go after Teproc.
Being scummy could actually be a good strategy for me, because then if I get lynched, we see if Haddock was lying. But I am glad that you consider me town.
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Yep, SirMartin is town.
PPE : It is ? In spirit I guess, but has town does that kind of stuff with a PR before ? Softclaiming and demanding to be treated above normal standards after ?
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I meant "has Egork done that kind of stuff" etc.
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Yep, SirMartin is town.
PPE : It is ? In spirit I guess, but has town does that kind of stuff with a PR before ? Softclaiming and demanding to be treated above normal standards after ?
I think so, or at least it gives me the same impression.
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SS's run of 3 posts 1206-1208 give me more towny vibes, which is nice.
I'd like to see actual contribution from EgorK at some point? He's not really contributed anything useful in a while.
I read along. I still do not want scum to know my reads
So, you make the most vague claim ever, refuse to elaborate on it except taht it probably invovles killing, and expect us to act as if you were an IC ? Because those are the only people who can (and should) not give reads.
Assuming you're town, scum doesn't even know exactly what you do, so we'll be fine. I'm sure you have multiple scum reads too, so unless they're somehow all correct you can WIFOM on who exactly you want to "shoot" out of these.
This is well within town!Egor meta.
I agree.
This is really annoying. I want him to contribute more, but I really think he's town so I don't want a wagon on him.
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Remind me again why RoadRunner is obvtown?
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Remind me again why RoadRunner is obvtown?
He is?
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Remind me again why RoadRunner is obvtown?
This isn't a question I can answer to someone who's not played a game with RR before (right?).
He's... just... doing what he always does. It's unquantifiable. But I'd bet my hat he's town.
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Remind me again why RoadRunner is obvtown?
This isn't a question I can answer to someone who's not played a game with RR before (right?).
He's... just... doing what he always does. It's unquantifiable. But I'd bet my hat he's town.
This.
I'd recommend skimming through one of his town games (Marvel Heroes is the one I was in but that's pretty long so probably go for another one).
The issue being that he has one scum game where he looks... kinda similar ? Still, not exactly the same, and I don't think this is it.
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PPS played Simply Simple with me. PPS, did I seem towny that game? Why or why not?
Maybe you don't remember, that was like a year ago.
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I finally have about an hour to put into this game.
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PPS played Simply Simple with me. PPS, did I seem towny that game? Why or why not?
Maybe you don't remember, that was like a year ago.
Games are weird when you're SK. I was certain who was scum and I was having to defend my cop result to my death and that pretty much sums that game up for me. Also, I royally goofed on the setup D1 and spent the rest of the game trying to right that ship so I was almost completely in my head.
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Starting rereads:
I'll do them in reverse order of how many posts they've had this game.
SirMartin:
The new guy
Did someone say new guy?
I don't understand why everyone is gunning after me. Is it because of the way chairs acted? Because I'd like to turn over a new leaf. Or is it because I have been lurking for a little bit? I don't think I'm a very good lynch.
The answer to this question is people are gunning for you because you have such little content, with such little content that it is hard to establish a read on you.
I've neglected this game, I'm sorry. I think lynching me is a good idea. Either I come back and Haddock and I are both confirmed town (which is good) or I don't come back and we can lynch Haddock because of that. That would be a 1:1 trade, which is a good deal.
There are issues.
But they're unlikely to come up. I think it's worth it, but maybe we should just lynch Haddock.
This is an interesting post. @SirMartin has your view on lynching Haddock changed?
Oh and I find ashersky scummy.
Another unexplained read. @SirMartin, why do you think ash is scummy?
You're right, I need to find more time to invest in this game.
So I am willing to lynch:
PPS
ADK
WitherWeaver
Gkreig
Roadrunner(?)
These are just the names of people who have been 'too quiet' or 'too loud.' Especially Roadrunner, but I really am not feeling his lynch though. When in doubt, I'd vote Roadrunner.
I actually like Vote: Gkreig for now.
And I really don't think the setup is broken. Hopefully Ashersky will prove me wrong.
I guess this answers the questions I had up top. What changed your mind on ash and Haddock?
Okay, I think either Teproc or EgorK are scum, or they both are. But I don't think they're both town. Egor pushed for a Haddock lynch, I think that's scummy. But I'm also not going to put my vote in the same place right after Roadrunner.
This post seems the weirdest to me, and gives you town points in my eyes along with the gut read.
Overall I get a pretty null read off of him. I think he needs to explain his reads more. He has been very back and forth on who he wants to lynch, but seems to be following the consensus. He could be scum trying to get a lynch, or just following other people as they give their reads and make cases on other people because he is new.
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Now to the vig EgorK:
For starters, the claim seems verified. It could be an SK claim, but I think in an RMM game you don't want to vig someone D1? Or maybe it is better in an RMM game, because you most likely won't hit your important PRs.
At least ash can't self hammer there, which is good
On the other hand, I mostly agree with case on Ghacob Vote: Ghacob
He brings up ash not being able to self-hammer multiple times.
@EgorK, yeah you can't really just say "oh my role prevents me from having reads" that's a bit of a cop-out. I mean, it's OK not to have many reads at this point, but we'll need stuff from you at some point.
Yes I can. I don't want to give reads if this is antitown. And with my role it mostly is. If you don't like it you can vote me, but that would be bad as I am town. And yes, this is Awaclusish, but at least I has reason to do this
I think you can hide your reads while still being active enough that people can get a good read on you.
I was RBed. Which makes Haddock all that more scummy. Vote: Haddock
I don't know why this is the case.
Ironically you don't want scum to know your reads, but they are pretty obvious when you are reread. You only vote for Haddock and he is also the only one that you really interact with at all.
Overall, the claim is the main reason I found you townie, but I think it is very possible you are an SK, playing a vig. If you don't post much and try to hide your reads, you are able to escape scrutiny while still killing people. I don't think I would go for your lynch today, but I think it is something to remember further down the line.
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EgorK's claim is nowhere near verified... in fact it's quite the opposite, as we've only had one death. Granted it was a weird death but still.
Also there is nothing to verify, because EgorK can't be bothered to actually clai msomething. That he's getting rownreads from this is insane.
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Why was Awaclus such a weird death? Has anyone thought about redirection?
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Why was Awaclus such a weird death? Has anyone thought about redirection?
Are you reading the thread ?
Yes we have, then EgorK "claimed" and people decided it was true because... I don't know why. I guess it's such a weird claim that it makes it more believable, which... sure, but still. Look at the rewards he's reaping for basically nothing.
Seems perfectly reasonable to me that scum would shootHaddock and get redirected, but that does qualify as "weird".
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Why was Awaclus such a weird death? Has anyone thought about redirection?
Dude, are you reading this game at all? The whole deal is EgorK got redirected off of chairs and onto Awaclus by Hydrad.
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Yeah, or haddock, not chairs.
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Hydrad:
He brings up the deadline at the beginning of the game. I was scum in the last Arch game with bankable deadlines and I talked about the deadlines often because I thought it was a good way to look townie.
Vote: chairs
gut guess feeling is hes scum. but no one will follow me on that. but at least my vote is somewhere now.
He puts his vote on chairs. This is a pretty weak vote.
His claim seems townie and seems like an honest mistake. It seems like weird people to redirect though. Especially because he thought Haddock was townie. @Hydrad: What were your reasons for redirecting Haddock to Awaclus?
Although I will say I'm liking the Gkrieg wagon also. If it wasn't for Haddocks claim I'd probably join it. but we can do that tomorrow also still!
Why do you like my wagon?
As with the EgorK claim, Hydrad is clearly telling the truth. I don't think he is bold enough to make the claim of town redirector as scum, so he gets a townie read from me
PPEs: I'll get to all of them after I'm done with some more rereads
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Why was Awaclus such a weird death? Has anyone thought about redirection?
Dude, are you reading this game at all? The whole deal is EgorK got redirected off of chairs and onto Awaclus by Hydrad.
Haddock, not chairs/SirMartin.
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I missed that part, but I can assure you I haveneen reading the thread.
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ADK:
His first post is a catch up mega post. It seems townie to me.
His points on Haddock seem valid. Are people still opposed to a Haddock lynch?
Actually ADK how do you feel about Haddock now?
If we're doing lynch pools:
Haddock, still. I'm not convinced.
Awaclus, basically just as a default lynch.
gkrieg, he seems to be hanging back with a lot of acti-lurking kind of posts.
Ghacob, similar deal.
WW, I'm mostly null on him but I wouldn't be opposed to his lynch.
This post is interesting. His lynch pool is lurkers, default lynches, and one who he is null on. For D1 lynch pools I guess that is pretty standard.
He gets lots of town points for putting Ghacob at L-2 then unvoting.
Reads list, towniest to scummiest-
Hydrad
EgorK
Teproc
PPS
ash
Roadrunner
SirMartin
SS
gkrieg
WW
Haddock
I would probably be okay lynching anyone in the bottom four. There's a gkrieg wagon, right? vote: gkrieg
Why do you pick me out of the bottom 4 on your list?
Overall I find him townie. Actually this reread made my town read on him stronger.
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Ash:
Last reread then I have to go.
Why did you want people to claim game?
Interesting.
I'm open for this plan. One condition: if it turns out that you don't really have anything, we'll have to assume that you're scum deceiving us and have to lynch you. Is that okay/do you promise that you have a solid plan that will really benefit us?
If yes, I'm in.
I can commit to being first player lynched no matter what if people want.
It seems like this is kinda the point we're at with the alignment claiming right? I mean you gave some reasons for it, but ultimately it just looks like we told scum how to kill all of us...
popsquiz:
Would lynch: SS, RR, chairs, Ghacob, Hydrad, PPS, EgorK, Awaclus
Rather not lynch: gkrieg, Haddock
Won't lynch: ashersky, Teproc, WW, ADK
His lynch pool is like almost everybody.
His plan not working makes me suspicious of him, but the fact almost all of his posts are theory, or lack content makes me distrust him. He is also tunneling ss, which he does as either alignment.
I'll vote: ashersky
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I made my read obvious that time because pps promised to hammer
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Definitely liking the gkrieg posts. Notable lack of analysis on WW, his scum partner, though.
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Mmm, this kind of thing looks slightly better for gkrieg, but maybe I'm just biased because he called me towny.
I should do my own rereads, I have fallen a bit behind on this game, though for somewhat legitimate reasons.
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Mmm, this kind of thing looks slightly better for gkrieg, but maybe I'm just biased because he called me towny.
I should do my own rereads, I have fallen a bit behind on this game, though for somewhat legitimate reasons.
Yeah he called me towny too and it disarmed me. I am highly susceptible to this but am learning at least to let it make me suspicious. That he is upping participation and putting content out there is sufficient for me today. Liking my vote in WW even better now.
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Hurmmmm.
Granted, that stuff looks better from gkrieg. I need to think about this.
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Moving on to ss:
He votes for RR after being in a neighborhood with him. This seems valid. I think being in a neighborhood with RR would make you do all kinds of weird things.
Then there is the weird thing with him being able to dictate RR's actions. Is that actually a thing? Because if so, it seems very antitown.
Man all of his D1 posts are about RR. Doesn't really give much to go off of read wise.
He then votes for me and says I'm a good vote
D2:
Claims scum shot him and that he is now IC. Seems strange to me.
Then he votes for WW, then talks about ash's plan, then votes for me for
vote: newguy
also vote: gkrieg for painting haddock in a scummy light
I'm not sure how much I really painted him in a scummy light. He had been extremely scummy D1, and I still think he is being pretty scummy now, but people seem to believe his claim and believe that it makes him town.
I call him out on lurking a lot and say it might be because of his neighborhood, he says it's because the neighborhood has a lot of posts. I'm not sure if posting in the neighborhood makes it not scummy to not post in the thread.
Gives some hesitation for my wagon and says he sees SirMartin as new!scum.
Then says SirMartin is town and that he likes my wagon. He doesn't really explain this yet.
He says my wagon is good because I immediately addressed pressure on me. I don't feel like I had gotten enough pressure to address it. I thought if I just kept playing the game, people would realize they were wrong about me being scummy and would unvote. It's also lazy and weak reasoning.
Overall, he comes off slightly scummy to me. He gets points for having a role that someone from the other faction has claimed. I guess it is just as likely to come from either scum or town, so maybe not too many town points. He has not been very active, which is different for him. Even if he has been active in his neighborhood, it would be nice to give the game some extra kick as it seems to be stalling lately. I don't think his case on me is strong enough for him to want to vote for me, but he says that my wagon is good.
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SS is a good vote.
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SS has been very inactive in our neighborhood, too. The last time he made a post with content was January ninth. Since then, he has linked me to a My Little Pony picture and he corrected me when I called him 'Silverspawn.'
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vote: SilverSpawn
Let's do it!
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vote: SilverSpawn
Let's do it!
Sure, why not? Vote: SS
Maybe he will get prodded.
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Haddock:
Man these are taking more time to do a good reread.
His vote on Egor to motivate him seems lazy. I've done the same thing as town though.
Votes for chairs, another lazy lurker vote.
He votes for ash:
Gonna vote: ash until he explains his glorious plan. At the moment it's just holding everything up.
PPE. Cripes, now I'm sheeping RR? What is the world coming to?
Another lazy vote for pressure. This one is a little better though because everyone explaining ash's plan was holding things up.
votes chairs again because of his excessive lurking.
Opposes the silver wagon.
He defends his hedging. I actually don't think he was too hedgy D1 about the alignment claiming. I also don't think that it is a huge alignment tell either way. I think as a new town player, you can think "I would do something if enough people were on board".
Claims again that ss is town.
When pushed about the hedging he says this:
Haddock was/is hedging on the alignment claiming issue, pushed a case on teproc without voting for him, is jumping pretty quickly to claiming.
He seems like he's getting grouchy, which might be a town tell depending on the player, but that's a pretty minor point.
This is all wifom if I say it, so I didn't want to. But it should be noted that hedging is firmly within my d1 meta. People who've played with me before should confirm this. Teproc in particular should confirm this if he's town.
And grouchy? I'm shooting myself in the foot here, but I wouldn't say that I'm grouchy. When I'm grouchy you'll know it. I'm a bit surprised by teprocs vote, but otherwise I'm completely used to people finding me scummy on d1.
PPE. Pps, you're aware that I'm not close to L-1, right? Hammering is not a thing yet.
This is the scummiest thing I've seen so far. He claims what is within his meta, which seems like you would only do that if you were scum.
His claim:
*in.
So I am Last night On Earth, the ameritrash Reviving Janitor.
My role isn't that amazing and requires some coordination to work at all, hence why I'm fairly happy to claim here.
It's a two part thing.
The first part is called Eaten Brains. It's a night action where I try to predict the next day's lynch. If I predict correctly then that persons details will be hidden at the flip. Then I can use the other part, which is called "I feel kinda strange" to revive that person on a later day.
As I understand it, it will fail if used on scum, which only makes it better as far as I can tell.
Does everyone else have flavour names assigned to their individual roles? I thought that was kinda awesome.
It is a very towny claim actually. I think everything fitted where it was supposed to, and it seemed at the right time and everything fits flavorwise.
His answers about the claim all seem townie as well.
Again says that Teproc is so scummy that he must be town.
Opposes an Awaclus lynch. Pretty towny, seeing as the Awaclus wagon was picking up steam.
Reaction to EgorK calling him scummy seems townie
His choice of target for the resurrecting seems pretty good. I think picking a target that is a scum read is a good choice, and chairs was clearly a scum read for him.
His reaction to EgorK's second vote is also townie. Egor votes for him for believing too fast. I don't think that is a good reason to vote someone, especially considering scum would have no reason to kill Haddock looking at D1.
Haddock claims to be unblockable because he doesn't target to revive. He just revives all janitored town.
No. Stop twisting my words. I never said this. I can't be redirected tonight but a roleblock would still block me unless Hydrad helps out.
I could have been redirected last night I guess. But that would require a) a redirection on the scum team which seems unlikely with Hydrad being a thing and b) for the redirection to be target based since anything targetting me last night would have hit awa according to Hydrad.
There are a lot of ifs and buts here. So maybe it's not a perfect plan. I went for the vote early on since I just assumed based on yesterday that you guys would definitely want me to prove myself. Apparently I'm not quite as scummy as I thought. Rereads happening, I'll see if my vote is better elsewhere.
His reaction to the repeated questions about his role seem to get more and more frustrated, which would be his emotion as town and as scum I would think.
The more that was coming is really just a reads list. Having reread some stuff I finally feel like I have something to go on for most people.
So. No particular order.
RR: strongly town. I feel like I know RR fairly well by now. Not played with scum him much, but pretty damn sure this isnt it.
Teproc: D1 I yoyoed a bit on teproc. Today, he's pretty towny. His going back and forth on me feels like a naturally evolving read. Solid generally. I mean, teproc is probably capable of emulating this, but right now hes towny.
Hydrad: on the whole just being hydrad. Cant say anything. But his redirection claim does a lot for him. Would not lynch today.
EgorK. I typically find him scummy and vice versa I think. But middling town here, the way the vig thing came out aroumd hydrads claim looked so realistic. Either they're both scum pulling something elaborate, or Egor is town.
Ash: ashy. Done some weird stuff I guess but nothing out of character as far as I can tell. He's always hard to read. What has stood out lately is his determination to paint my claim as being less clear than it was. I went back and looked at it, specifically, and it's really not that bad. The semi one shot is missing but the rest of the detail is all pretty much there, it seems to me. That the whole thing fails on scum was the othet thing. But I said something like "it doesnt work on scum which makes the role way better". This to me strongly implies that the whole thing fails on scum, since the resurrection failing on scum doesnt really help us that much, quite the opposite really since we dont know why it failed.
Gone offtopic a bit. Point was, Ashs confusion re. my claim is starting to look forced. Mild scum.
Brings me to WW: same as ash in that he's been his usual hard to read self afai can see. The exception once again is his treatment of me and my claim. I actually think his confusion looks less forced than Ashs, but its still a bit scummy. He ends up on roughly the same scumlevel as ash overall, based on gut.
ADK. Never played with him before. Seems to be making sense mostly. null to mild town.
PPS: blah. You know how teproc says that he townreads people who are voting him? Im getting the converse a bit with PPS. Hes stepped up to the plate to defend me to some extent, and its a bit weird, im not used to that. Otherwise hes been sensible though. Another null, not played with him before.
Chairs/SirMartin: was scummy yesterday as ive said above. But maybe he just screwed up, since SirMartin has been pretty towny in his few posts. I will move my vote shortly, since it looks like I'm not janitoring today.
Gkrieg: probably my vote choice at the moment. The case on him has been made already, not much to add. Im only hesitant because I don't know how much of my scumread on him is the OMGUS talking. But yeah scummy.
Ss: several people like the Ss vote right now. Its a bit early for targeted rereads but I think I'll do one on Ss in the next post, since I dont know where these votes are coming from. After my confusion with D1 cleared up, my instinct has been saying townSS.
That everyone? Think so.
PPE. Naww ADK, I <3 you too. Jeez. Watch the OMGUS force bend my scumometer reading.
I don't think a good case had been made on me at this point, or really any case at all. He has some null reads and some town reads as well. I'm not really sure how to analyze reads lists very well though. Seems genuine.
Vote: WW
This I could get behind, probably.
The problem I'm having here is that most of my scumreads are people I usually find scummy anyway. Ash would be the main exception and he's only a very mild scumread for me right now.
So while I could vote WW I'm pretty hesitant, not exactly objective here.
Major hedging post again.
Tl;dr
Overall I think Haddock goes from scummy to townie and back to scummy. He starts off very hedgy, with a ton of policy votes and his posts don't have very much content. Then he has a lot of content, is answering lots of questions and comes off townie. Then a little into D2, he starts hedging again and his posts become more fluffy. His claim is the only thing that stops me from voting for him, but even then I'm really close. I still think ash is the better vote right now. Wow that is a long post.
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WW:
His first 30 posts are mostly fluff. Then he votes for Teproc
Then votes for ss.
Says ADK is town, then votes for Haddock.
His reasoning for voting Haddock:
vote: Haddock
Just because you say you're cherry picking doesn't make it any less scummy
Picking out scummy quotes from people is not scummy this early in the game. If a player has a game's worth of townyour play behind them then picking out scummy quotes of people is scummy. This early on, any case is a case.
ADK, what do you think of teproc?
Teproc is town. The points you made were pretty weak, and kind of felt like "I need to make a case on someone".
Seems like a townie reason.
Says the claim for Haddock is scummy. I don't agree with this, but it doesn't seem scummy to say that.
Some thoughts:
Ash I think is town. Targeting Teproc for a neighborhood is a town move. Town!Teproc is the kind of guy you want a neighborhood with as town and don't as scum. Especially for things like coordination, and their powers suggest that's a thing. Ash coming out with a big plan is not a town or scum tell, but the way he's treated it has seemed townie. (As scum he'd probably divulge more details.)
Teproc I think is town after my reread of him. (This was what led me to unvote him, I just didn't say anything at the time.)
Silver I don't understand the townreads. He seems as a good of a lynch as he was before. I'm not sure the claim gives as much towncred as Ash and Teproc suggest.
RR is as always unreadable. I'm guessing more town.
ADK has seemed town, coming in and making good points.
So who is left?
PPS
Haddock
Hydrad
Awaclus (surprisingly quiet)
gkrieg (don't remember anything)
Iguana (he's in this game?!)
Charis (I only know he's in this game because people are voting him)
Egor
Ghacob (he's in this game?!)
I wouldn't oppose anyone on that list.
This seems like his lynch pool is pretty large. Not sure if that is more likely as town or as scum.
Then votes for Awaclus
Votes for Ghacob over Awaclus, changes his mind and says Awaclus seems townie.
D2:
Votes Haddock
He defends his vote for Haddock and says again that he finds his claim scummy.
I think there is no one I wouldn't lynch.
Once again makes a huge lynch pool
Overall he is very null to me. WW is always hard for me to read, because most of his posts are fluff. He has some good votes, which give me townie vibes, but not enough for me to call him town. The large lynch pool each time seems like opening up his options so he can just jump on the biggest wagon, but he hasn't been jumping on my wagon AFAIR, so maybe he is waiting? Or maybe he is just town with few reads.
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I only have 3 left but they are the long ones so they will have to wait for another time.
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Saving the best for last I see?
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PPS:
He starts out with his lynch Teproc/himself thing.
He talks about scum having fake claims. After the alignment claiming I would say that he is correct, that scum does have fake claims. Which is interesting. How many would be on a scum team with this many people?
Calls a team of ash, WW, and Haddock. Seems reasonable to me. (I know it was kind of a joke)
Says Ghacob and WW are his top scum reads. But he is still voting for Teproc
Switches his vote to RR. Townie because RR was being super scummy at this point.
votes for chairs. Once again I think this is a lazy vote. Says it is not a policy vote, but it looks an awful lot like a policy vote.
Did a haddock reread and while nothing really jumps out at me I sort of agree with others on his wagon and I think it might be the best we can get for D1. Still want to hear from chairs. Intent to hammer haddock supposing nothing else crops up. I want the components from the hammer.
This is an interesting post. I felt like there was lots of stuff at the beginning of D1 to find scummy when rereading Haddock. Wanting the hammer isn't very scummy though in this game.
His tunneling of Teproc is rather interesting. No one ever seems to take the bait though.
Also, teproc, personally, is connected to me. He knows he is connected to someone but he didn't know who. He does now. If he is scum we are now doomed. If he is town then this should get him to shut up and let me hammer today.
This post is interesting. He has a scum read on Teproc and has been tunneling him all day, but then he gives him this bit of information to afford him the hammer.
I feel fairly certain there are no redirections in this game but there probably multiple blockers.
This post is also very interesting.
He claims several times that scum probably has fake claims, yet he is one of the first people to believe Haddock's claims. This reads inconsistent to me. Why would you immediately accept a claim when you think scum has fake claims?
I agree that the Ghacob wagon has the worst looking voters but I also think his lynch makes the most sense in light of what we learned today. So even if it is a scum driven mislynch I see it as informative. Also, if I am not mistaken, we have to lynch somebody today, right?
This seems like a "don't blame me if he is town".
D2: Starts by voting for SirMartin. Seems like a lazy vote.
Goes back to voting for WW.
He has a lot of weird things in between that don't really have a lot of content. Mostly him just talking about theory/setup/hated.
Also, I will point out that Haddock was emphatically against the Awaclus wagon, yesterday. Awaclus died due to things outside of Haddock's control which leads me to believe Haddock wasn't throwing in support for cred but because he really is town thinking someone who was also was town was town.
His stance on Haddock develops like mine did during the reread.
Reading his analysis on Haddock's claim brought up a question. How will we know that Haddock doesn't just claim the person was town, but they are really scum? He could have a power to resurrect anyone, and we won't be sure of their alignment because they will be janitored. He could be scum that resurrects scum and we just say they are both IC.
Teproc is definitely town. So much so I will sheep the Vote: gkrieg even though I have no idea why. I am almost positive Haddock is town, too.
I also agree that it is weird how egork claimed an expected result but not the actual mechanism and avoided confirming my speculation that he is a vig.
I have to throw in a little OMGUS here. Sheeping someone even though you don't know why is awful reasoning for a vote. Even if you think they're scum. I don't agree with his analysis of Haddock as positive!town either.
Votes for RR. I think this is a pretty good vote.
Goes back to voting for WW.
He has this weird relationship with Teproc. It doesn't seem like a scum partner relationship though.
Votes for ash then back to WW.
Finally puts a case out on me.
Gkrieg. - totally looks to me like scum coasting through the days. Felt like he has been scum mint along all along. I see nothing to convince me otherwise, prefer to lynch him or withers.
I don't agree with the case, but would love to defend myself if he elaborates.
Actually rereading PPS, he comes off townie to me, but not as townie as he was before. He has some weird things due to his secrets he has, but most of his votes are good. His tunneling of WW seems strange to me, but I guess he can have the reads he wants. I still would put him on the town side because of his claim, and because he has been on the townie side by gut feel for me most of the game.
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Saving the best for last I see?
I'm really dreading rereading you. Luckily there isn't much content so it should be an easy read :P
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Saving the best for last I see?
I'm really dreading rereading you. Luckily there isn't much content so it should be an easy read :P
Oh, man. Look for breadcrumbs though!
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I'm getting a super town vibe off of gkrieg. Also, my whole vote on him was for his present and accounted for but not really committed play. That's clearly not the case now.
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I think gkreig is doing this for massive town points, but he is scum.
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Teproc is next:
Votes for silver because of his vote on RR for the neighborhood.
Continues to say that ss was the scummiest at the beginning of the day.
Gets a strong townread on RR
He then has the thing with the neighborhood with ash. @Teproc what do you think of his alignment from that neighborhood?
Keeps telling people to vote for ss. When the wagon moves to Haddock, he wants people to go back.
Why did the silverspawn wagon go away ? It was a great wagon.
I don't understand people voting for chairs for lurking. Not only is chairs known for lurking ine very other game, it's a particularly hard time of the year here.
Haddock is pretty scummy, I'll give you guys that. Still like silver more though.
What's the case against him? His behavior toward RR in their Neighborhood?
His behavior in the thread. Mainly pushing RR for a case that is non-existent : RR is doing what he does. Sure, could replicate that as scum, but it's not a reason to lynch him in and of itself. Also, he disappeared when his wagon was building it up and everyone forgot about him and went on to oher wagons.
And I want him to claim his alignment, for reasons I'll discuss... once he claims his alignment.
Here is his case on ss. Mild case.
All of the sudden when ss claims, he unvotes and says he is pretty townie. So I guess the whole thing was because of the neighborizer thing?
Then votes for Haddock with this reason:
Also, vote: Haddock. Completely ignoring the whole situation is what I'd expect scum to do here, if you and ash are both town, and that's mostly what he's done.
Not a good idea. My alignment does not guarantee pps', and he doesn't seem all that sure aboutmy alignment ether, so you don't get two ICs for the price of one.
unvote
I need to think things through, this seems like an interesting power to have around at the very least, also very specific so not a fakeclaim. Trying to see what the scum role would be that scum!Haddock would elaborate on to get this.
This reaction to Haddock is interesting. He says it isn't a fakeclaim. He also unvotes when Haddock is L-3 I think.
Votes for Hydrad because he isn't sure he is in the game. Seems like a lazy vote.
votes for me because I am "actually scummy"
My town read on Teproc is fading slightly, that's two votes is two posts, both on people who haven't really been around for recent conversations. It seems like he's just kind of tossing stuff out there to see what sticks.
Well, the peopleI thought were scummy got suddenly townie.
Also I don't see how gkrieg fits that description. I voted for him because he made an incredibly scummy post after I voted Hydrad, which made him a much more appealing lynch than Hydrad (who I'd still be okay lynching, just less than gkrieg).
There isn't a post between you voting Hydrad and you voting me. So I'm not sure which post you are referring to.
He is the only other person to actually mention scum fakeclaims.
He also has a large lynch pool at the end of the day.
Starts the Awaclus wagon
Goes back to voting for me.
Goes back to voting for Awaclus
D2:
Votes and unvotes WW in the same post.
Then votes for Haddock.
Unvotes when the redirection thing happens
There went my theory the setup contained no redirection.
Also, if killing actions, which require guessing the alignment correctly to work, are redirected to another target would the alignment guess have to apply to original target or the redirected target? I am guessing the latter. Thus, it would appear to me that Awaclus would have to have had the same alignment as Haddock for the redirection to kill him.
What I do do not require to guess alignment
Well, this thing you do kills townies. Vig?
Oh yeah, I had seen taht EgorK might have claimed vig in the neighborhood... if so this is the weiredest, most non-commital claim I've ever seen.
EgorK is in your neighborhood?
votes for me again because I followed the flow back and forth on Haddock. I'm still on the fence about him because he has gone from scummy to townie to scummy.
The paper money thing is interesting. This gives me a townier read on you, because why would scum announce the paper money and not give it to someone?
Has the weird thing with pps.
Goes back to asking EgorK to explain more of his role. I'm not sure if it is rolefishing or not. Potentially if he were scum and had a roleblock maybe he would want to know if EgorK could shoot again, but it seems unlikely.
Overall the paper money and the weird thing with pps, along with no major scum points give me a town read. I know he is a really good scum player so I'll be keeping my eye on him, but I trust him at this point.
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Is RR next? I can't wait!
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RR is last:
Sooooo many posts!
He always wants to claim for some reason
Votes for Teproc with some shaky reasoning that I don't quite understand.
Votes ash for pressure
There is the weird thing with the qt with ss. I have no idea what to think about this because it is all over the place.
votes for ss. Doesn't look like partner interaction at least
votes no lynch. I thought we were past this
I don't even want to comment on a lot of these posts. He claims a bunch of things and says he can't reveal anything about his cool super secret role. At least we know he isn't a bodyguard!
Okay, I'm done screwing around. Even though it makes me look towny, this is the least helpful I have ever been.
I have to agree with this. This is the least helpful you have ever been. Do something!
Says Haddock is his top scum read, but policy votes for Teproc
Doesn't want to lynch Haddock, but votes for him because he wants him to claim.
Has the weird conversation with ADK about his lynch
Votes for Ghacob
Has the argument with me about how unhelpful he is being and that he would be a fine lynch
Votes for Awaclus
Keeps asking why he is a town read for people
Votes Ghacob again
D2:
Wants to claim stuff... again
Votes Haddock over SirMartin
Votes SirMartin for the resurrection
unvotes and claims he will reread me
Maybe we won't have to use much bankable time. I'm okay with a Gkreig lynch, but I usually am, regardless of his alignment.
By far his scummiest post
Votes for EgorK
And that is finally through my rereads. I find RR townie, but not pro-town. He hasn't really done anything to help us find scum, and has caused a lot of distraction, which is bad for bankable deadlines. @RR you can find scum! Just do a little reading, look for patterns, find things that you wouldn't do if you were town etc. It was actually a fairly short reread because most of your posts are one-liners
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gkrieg I disagree with several of your points about me. Most notably calling my chairs vote a lazy lurker vote. My scumread on chairs came mostly from his insane RR vote. I've said this before.
In any case, on the whole this is good stuff from gkrieg. I disagree with several of his conclusions, but that's probably a towntell for him; I guess scum would want to go along with consensus as much as possible.
So.
vote: WW I guess.
Why are we back to SS again? Just for lurking? Bleh. Unconvinced Haddock is unconvinced.
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ok gkrieg is town I think. Like others are saying.
Question though haddock why aren't you going after SirMartin very hard? I feel like most people aren't doing it because they don't know if your telling the truth or not so it feels a bit weird that your not really going for it. Unless I'm misunderstanding something.
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ok gkrieg is town I think. Like others are saying.
Question though haddock why aren't you going after SirMartin very hard? I feel like most people aren't doing it because they don't know if your telling the truth or not so it feels a bit weird that your not really going for it. Unless I'm misunderstanding something.
At the beginning of the day I wanted the SirMartin lynch because I figured proving my claim was the only way I would avoid being lynched today. It felt like people were after my blood.
Once it became clear that most people believed me, there was no longer any need to push it. The drawbacks of trying to use my power are several and have been pointed out - the consequences if I've been redirected or if I get blocked tonight are too bad for it to be worth the upside.
Unless we think SirMartin is scummy. Which... eh. Other people are far scummier. Any mild scumread I have on SirMartin would only be leftover from chairs anyway, SirMartin himself has been basically null.
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Whether gkrieg is town or not, he's the only one putting in any effort right now, so he gets a pas.
This game feels very night oriented and everyone's waiting to do stuff. Let's just lynch someone.
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well, I know it's hard to believe that I have things occupying my life outside of the forum, given how often I'm usually there, so I'll take the blame for your lurking accusations.
active!gkrieg =/= town!gkrieg. I don't think this list should give him a default pass.
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well, I know it's hard to believe that I have things occupying my life outside of the forum, given how often I'm usually there, so I'll take the blame for your lurking accusations.
active!gkrieg =/= town!gkrieg. I don't think this list should give him a default pass.
I'm not saying it makes him town. I'm saying it makes him worth keeping around for the sake of the game.
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I think we should assume Gkreig is scum but not lynch him; then we look at his reads to see what he would've said about his partners. I think a Vote: WW or Vote: Ashersky might be warranted.
And ashersky had that super scummy thing where he wanted night to start. Vote: Ashersky
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Vote: Silverspawn
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I'm liking ashersky or WW. Agree about keeping gkrieg onboard. Agree ashersky just gets scummier. WW is the scum.
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I'm liking ashersky or WW. Agree about keeping gkrieg onboard. Agree ashersky just gets scummier. WW is the scum.
So I have made one contribution?
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Still think gkrieg is scum.
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Vote Count 2.Haddock.1
WW (2): PPS, Haddock
SirMartin (2): SS, Hydrad
Haddock (1): EgorK
SS (2): Ash, WW
gkrieg (3): Teproc, ADK, SirMartin
ashersky (2): gkrieg, RR
I think that's right.
SS has less of a wagon than I thought. I think my confusion was caused by ash's revote on him. What the heck's going on, ash? I don't get it. SS is a mild town read for me, I don't particularly want to lynch him. So what makes you so superkeen to lynch him?
I'm liking ashersky or WW. Agree about keeping gkrieg onboard. Agree ashersky just gets scummier. WW is the scum.
So I have made one contribution?
RR, what the hell man. Several of us sticking our necks out for you here, and I still think you're town, but I don't know what you're doing today. This is weird play even for you.
I do agree ash is kinda scummy though.
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I do agree ash is kinda scummy though.
This just means you know I exist.
SS is a gut read. I could vote elsewhere. Not any of the other wagons, though.
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I do agree ash is kinda scummy though.
This just means you know I exist.
SS is a gut read. I could vote elsewhere. Not any of the other wagons, though.
There's usualscummy!you and actuallyscum!you. I'm not entirely convinced that this is the former.
Define "wagon" in this context. Are you saying you wouldn't vote for anyone who currently has a vote on them at all? Cos right now gkrieg is the only person I would say has an actual wagon.
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I don't really like lynching either ash or silver. It just makes sense for both town factions to have a neighborizer. I suppose they could both be scum, but then that seems a bit underpowered for scum. I just don't really see a situation where this setup has one euro neighborizer and one scum neighborizer (you can replace euro with ameritrash, same logic). The symmetry of it is too appealing to pass up I think.
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I look at the wagons and gkrieg is still the best, by far. He did work, sure, but scum doesn't want to be lynched either. And usually, when people do this much work, they tend to have stuff that really makes you realize they're town. Not here, it's all just reasonable-ish observations.
I guess I could lynch WW.
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I do agree ash is kinda scummy though.
This just means you know I exist.
SS is a gut read. I could vote elsewhere. Not any of the other wagons, though.
There's usualscummy!you and actuallyscum!you. I'm not entirely convinced that this is the former.
Define "wagon" in this context. Are you saying you wouldn't vote for anyone who currently has a vote on them at all? Cos right now gkrieg is the only person I would say has an actual wagon.
I don't like the current players with votes, including you. You could convince me otherwise, I guess.
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I don't like the current players with votes, including you. You could convince me otherwise, I guess.
No I was just trying to make sure that this was actually what you meant. (Obviously you're implicitly excluding SS.)
Hurmm. I mean, OK. That means your desired lynch pool is contained in:
SS, PPS, Hydrad, Egor, Teproc, ADK, RR
Correct?
Of those I think I would be happy to lynch either Egor or Hydrad. Not so much the rest.
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I don't like the current players with votes, including you. You could convince me otherwise, I guess.
No I was just trying to make sure that this was actually what you meant. (Obviously you're implicitly excluding SS.)
Hurmm. I mean, OK. That means your desired lynch pool is contained in:
SS, PPS, Hydrad, Egor, Teproc, ADK, RR
Correct?
Of those I think I would be happy to lynch either Egor or Hydrad. Not so much the rest.
I'd lynch SS, PPS, Hydrad, EgorK, RR with zero hesitation.
You could convince me to vote Martin or Haddock.
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You wanting to lynch silver kind of makes me want to lynch you.
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You wanting to lynch silver kind of makes me want to lynch you.
Surprise, surprise.
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I'd lynch SS, PPS, Hydrad, EgorK, RR with zero hesitation.
I think no further proof is needed that you and I approach this game in wildly different fashions.
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Still nothing from the Watcher?
Nothing for the watcher.
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I'd lynch SS, PPS, Hydrad, EgorK, RR with zero hesitation.
I think no further proof is needed that you and I approach this game in wildly different fashions.
I'm not sure why you say that. You even said you'd lynch EgorK or Hydrad. So it's not like we are diametrically opposed.
But yes, we do have different playstyles. It's good for the game. I like your style a lot, btw.
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I look at the wagons and gkrieg is still the best, by far. He did work, sure, but scum doesn't want to be lynched either. And usually, when people do this much work, they tend to have stuff that really makes you realize they're town. Not here, it's all just reasonable-ish observations.
I guess I could lynch WW.
Is there anything I could do to convince you of my towniness?
Right now my lynch pool would probably be ash, EgorK, ss, Haddock for sure, and I could be convinced for WW. But I'd rather lynch among the first four.
PPE 5
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I'd lynch SS, PPS, Hydrad, EgorK, RR with zero hesitation.
I think no further proof is needed that you and I approach this game in wildly different fashions.
I'm not sure why you say that. You even said you'd lynch EgorK or Hydrad. So it's not like we are diametrically opposed.
But yes, we do have different playstyles. It's good for the game. I like your style a lot, btw.
Well, would lynch. But not exactly straining at the leash to do so. The others on your list I would oppose fairly strongly.
And, umm, thanks? :) I don't really feel qualified to judge people's playstyles (well, except RR, his playstyle I judge pretty much constantly :P), but if I were I'd probably like your playstyle a lot as well. It's not a style I could pull off, I'm not yet confident enough in this game.
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I'd lynch SS, PPS, Hydrad, EgorK, RR with zero hesitation.
I think no further proof is needed that you and I approach this game in wildly different fashions.
I'm not sure why you say that. You even said you'd lynch EgorK or Hydrad. So it's not like we are diametrically opposed.
But yes, we do have different playstyles. It's good for the game. I like your style a lot, btw.
Well, would lynch. But not exactly straining at the leash to do so. The others on your list I would oppose fairly strongly.
And, umm, thanks? :) I don't really feel qualified to judge people's playstyles (well, except RR, his playstyle I judge pretty much constantly :P), but if I were I'd probably like your playstyle a lot as well. It's not a style I could pull off, I'm not yet confident enough in this game.
To pull off my playstyle, you need to get to confident, and then blow past that to "so overconfident I don't care what happens" mode.
But thanks.
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I look at the wagons and gkrieg is still the best, by far. He did work, sure, but scum doesn't want to be lynched either. And usually, when people do this much work, they tend to have stuff that really makes you realize they're town. Not here, it's all just reasonable-ish observations.
I guess I could lynch WW.
Is there anything I could do to convince you of my towniness?
Right now my lynch pool would probably be ash, EgorK, ss, Haddock for sure, and I could be convinced for WW. But I'd rather lynch among the first four.
PPE 5
Based on his posts in the QT, I'd definitely say no, you are screwed.
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What's wrong with RR's playstyle? ;D
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I am here, but only for a few minutes. Gkreig is really towny to me, and I think a Vote: WW is a smart move for now.
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I'm not posting here in this game for awhile, for the sake of you all.
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can someone tell me what he thinks are tells for scum!gkrieg?
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can someone tell me what he thinks are tells for scum!gkrieg?
Why don't you go first?
Can we get an official vote count?
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can someone tell me what he thinks are tells for scum!gkrieg?
Why don't you go first?
I meant in general, not here. And I don't know. It would be helpful to know what to look out for in the reread I felt like doing now.
Not that you can't do one without it too. It's not necessary but helpful, and I value meta pretty highly.
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in any case, reread
I don't support a flavor claim. It just lets scum have a kill every night. I'm welcome to discuss it though
that's right. I didn't get that until days later, and when I finally got it, I reached the same conclusion.
you could argue it's scummy that gkrieg knows it immediately, but that's silly in this case. He was looking forward to this game, so he almost certainly read the setup. So this is town points.
Ok I'll support the mass alignment claim.
but it's still bad >:(
I'm more on the neutral end. I would do it, but I'm not trying to convince other people to do so. I currently don't see the point. I do trust ash though so I would go along with it.
It's interesting pps has been pretty quiet
uhhhh
vote: ash
PPE
that's a bit weird because he previously buddied ash. or I guess whether or not it was buddying is debatable, but it felt like that to me.
pps, are you still opposed to the "everyone claims their alignment" plan ? You were the only real holdout with Awaclus IIRC.
Does the plan still work D2? Is is significantly less empowered to wait D2? I'm not wholly opposed to it but I don't see massive utility in doing it D1. Typically, mass claims are later game strategies with good reason. I would go so far as to say I am not interested in doing it today. Even if everyone else does it does it break the plan if I don't today?
So many questions, thus so much hesitance.
The earlier the better, because
a) it forces scum to commit early, which might make it harder for them to commit later
b) it might help some PRs tonight
Also, 3 people have claimed their alignment already. Scum can kill in that if they want (yeah it's also easier for Doctors to protect them but still, the downside is now minimal).
I kind of like the idea of stopping the alignment claiming now. It forcesencourages scum to kill within those who have alignment claimed, which would make it easier for doctors to guess right. Unless people only have effect in their own faction aka doctors can only doctor within their own faction.
PPEs
this is terrible reasoning I think, but it's a towny post
ahhh my scum read is falling apart :( I hope this is not another one of those times where I end up town on someone whom I thought is scum the whole time
quick, do scummy things . . .
Well there is this thing that he addresses pressure on him. I really hope this is town!gkrieg, because I think questioning pressure is a super pro town thing to do.
Would do haddock or ghacob. For the sake of time, vote: Ghacob
Would not lynch chairs
ghacob is in this game?
I also don't want to do a lurker lynch just for the sake of lynching someone. Unless they disappear when pressured, when they were otherwise very active, like ss.
what? how does that make it better?
Wouldn't that make me an unhelpful lurker?
Aahhh, this makes no sense to me. And now you want a post with content? Please.
You're townread is slowly fading.
it's 'your'... wait I don't do that anymore. I should probably erase this line. you'll never know I wrote it!
is fine with a PPS hammer. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14208.msg556856#msg556856) This means he's fine with allowing PPS to hammer innocent townies (or guilty scummies), not that he wants to hammer PPS.
continues to push Haddock. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14208.msg557886#msg557886) If we know Haddock's alignment, that'll be interesting.
As for ash's plan, I think it is an ok one. Town does need to unite, which means we need to make sure the components that prevent the other town faction from winning need to stay in the correct faction.
I'm not sure if scum is more or less likely to say that a plan is 'okay' rather than 'good' or 'bad'. Probably more. Finally something scummy.
addresses pressure on him (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14208.msg558951#msg558951)
Then there are his rereads.
why did I think this was a good case? :/ unvote I guess. This is slightly below neutral at best. the scummiest thing I can say is that he hasn't really done a lot of things that I found towny, either.
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I don't think anyone else has really made a good case on him either ... ?
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it is also, overall, really constructive play from gkrieg. which, again, doesn't mean towny play, but it certainly doesn't mean scummy play either.
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so not gkrieg. SirMartin is towny, RR I got convinced. Teproc has this neighborhood thing which is really good. PPS has been given semi IC status for reasons I forgot. Haddock I found towny earlier (although my casual reads seem to be pretty bad)
how about Hydrad? vote: hydrad
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actually no, let's do ghacob. I remember nothing from him. vote: Ghacob
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so not gkrieg. SirMartin is towny, RR I got convinced. Teproc has this neighborhood thing which is really good. PPS has been given semi IC status for reasons I forgot. Haddock I found towny earlier (although my casual reads seem to be pretty bad)
how about Hydrad? vote: hydrad
But Hydrad has the redirection claim, which I don't think he would claim as scum.
PPE, Ghacob was the D1 lynch...
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actually no, let's do ghacob. I remember nothing from him. vote: Ghacob
He's dead and you're trying to hard to be towny. Vote: SS
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We killed Ghacob D1. Cmon, man, you can definitely do better than this.
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I don't think anyone else has really made a good case on him either ... ?
I think this is the main reason I didn't react to pressure. Nothing to react to if there really isn't a case.
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We killed Ghacob D1. Cmon, man, you can definitely do better than this.
He's pulling a Roadrunner.
PPE
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I'm feeling ash, SS, or WW as good lynches today. Really, that last bit from SS takes the cake. That guy is not in the game in the way only scum can be.
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Vote Count 1.FINAL
Roadrunner7671 (1): chairs
Ashersky (1): Ghacob
Haddock (1): EgorK
gkreig13 (2): silverspawn, Teproc
Ghacob (8): gkreig13, Witherweaver, Hydrad, Haddock, Roadrunner7671, Awaclus, Ashersky, pingpongsam
Not Voting (1): A Drowned Kernel
With 14 alive, it took 8 to lynch.
D1 ends now. 8 days, 5 hours, and 57 minutes of bankable time have been used.
At least he wasn't on the wagon
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I'm feeling ash, SS, or WW as good lynches today. Really, that last bit from SS takes the cake. That guy is not in the game in the way only scum can be.
I'd believe this part if ss has never been scum before. But his normal scum games aren't like this at all. This is more distracted ss or something. Not really an alignment tell I'd say.
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But, he's also not bothering to look at who was on wagon. I call scum slip, here. My only hesitation is that ash keeps calling for his head too.
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ah no that makes perfect sense. Don't you see? I don't remember anyhting about him because he hasn't posted in a long time
vote: WW then
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But, he's also not bothering to look at who was on wagon. I call scum slip, here. My only hesitation is that ash keeps calling for his head too.
you really don't have to analyze wagons for a reread of one player.
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well I'll leave you to discuss this. bye :P
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But, he's also not bothering to look at who was on wagon. I call scum slip, here. My only hesitation is that ash keeps calling for his head too.
you really don't have to analyze wagons for a reread of one player.
You really don't have to analyze wagons when your scum.
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WHen I saw silver vote for Ghacob, my thought was "wait, I thought that wasn't an option for some reason, why was that again ?"
So I totally buy that it's a genuine mistake.
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WHen I saw silver vote for Ghacob, my thought was "wait, I thought that wasn't an option for some reason, why was that again ?"
So I totally buy that it's a genuine mistake.
Genuine question here. I thought the general wisdom was that this is the kind of mistake that (competent) scum are less likely to make. Is that not true?
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Meh. It's a contentious subject. Certainly scum is less likely to forget about NK targets because, you know, they killed them, but lynches... if I can forget about it, why couldn't anyone of any alignment ? I'm seeing it as null (and otherwise think silver is town).
The truth is this game has been dragging for a few days now, so that kind of thing can happen, regardless of alignment.
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I'm not posting here in this game for awhile, for the sake of you all.
I wish you would keep posting. We need more activity here.
If we're really not lynching Haddock then I think I can vote: WW
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L-2 I think?
No derphammers please. Can't believe I have to say that.
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Checking in.. definitely do not not not hammer me.
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I haven't read much of the last three or so pages. My best bet for scum is Silverspawn.
I would really like to not have to claim.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG5GOH2CO1k
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG5GOH2CO1k
+1
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Not daring to vote because i have no idea where the vote count is at and I really don't feel like working it ouy, but I'm fine with lynching WW.
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Vote Count 2.gkrieg
Witherweaver (5): PPS, Haddock, SirMartin, ss, ADK{L-2}
SirMartin (1): Hydrad
Haddock (1): EgorK
silverspawn (3): ashersky, WW, RR
gkreig13 (1): Teproc
ashersky (1): gkrieg
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. D2 ends January 26th at 10:05 AM.
This is what I got. I would rather lynch ash or ss.
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Yeah, all those alternatives are lame, so
vote: WW
L-1, supposedly ?
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Thread Locked.
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Vote Count 2.FINAL
Witherweaver (6): pingpongsam, Haddock, SirMartin, silverspawn, A Drowned Kernel, Teproc
SirMartin (1): Hydrad
Haddock (1): EgorK
silverspawn (3): ashersky, Witherweaver, Roadrunner7671
ashersky (1):gkreig13
Not Voting (0):
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. 7 days and 11 hours and 40 minutes of bankable time were used. A total of 15 days , 17 hours, and 37 minutes of bankable time has been used. There are 8 days, 23 hours, and 23 minutes remaining bankable time.
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Witherweaver has been lynched. He was Settlers of Catan, the Diverting Priest/Trading Traitor.
Night 2 start! You have 48 hours to submit your night actions in your QTs. Day 3 will begin Sunday, January 18th at 11:30 PM.
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Roadrunner died in the night! He was Seven Wonders, the Amnesiac Watcher.
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Day 3 Start!
Not Voting (10): gkrieg13, pingpongsam, A Drowned Kernel, SirMartin, Hydrad, silverspawn, EgorK, Teproc, ashersky, Haddock
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. D3 ends January 29th at 10:53 PM. Bankable time starts Wednesday, January 20th at 11:30 PM EST.
Thread Unlocked!
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aloha!
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So I assume WW was hated somehow? It's entirely possible that scum tried to kill him night one, which is hilarious.
I'd also be more than willing to bet that there was scum on wagon. In fact,
vote: silverspawn
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so your thinking like 2 scum teams then?
that would be interesting.
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I'm thinking one team, they (probably?) wouldn't have known his identity.
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Why ss?
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Who wants to talk about a mass claim?
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Why ss?
Because people don't want to lynch Haddock for some reason.
Who wants to talk about a mass claim?
I'm not convinced that the alignment claim got us all that much, what does a mass claim get us?
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So, this is interesting
ADK, why had you targeted RR at night?
Vote: ADK
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So, this is interesting
ADK, why had you targeted RR at night?
Vote: ADK
You liar!
ADK, this is very important. Who did you target?
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I have mod-confirmed result that ADK targeted RR. Not sure why call me liar
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Oh I didn't even notice that WW was a traitor. I get it now
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oh fun stuff already!
I love it.
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I have mod-confirmed result that ADK targeted RR. Not sure why call me liar
I have a mod confirmed result that ADK targeted someone else.
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O_O
fun fun fun!
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So I can't think of a way that 2 people would get 2 different results like that...
Unless Nexus!ADK
But comon what are the chances that there is a Nexus in the game and that its ADK... oh this sounds familiar.
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I received RR's result from N1 at the beginning of D2. His target wasn't targeted.
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So I assume WW was hated somehow? It's entirely possible that scum tried to kill him night one, which is hilarious.
I'd also be more than willing to bet that there was scum on wagon. In fact,
vote: silverspawn
? you do realize I started the wagon on WW, right?
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So I assume WW was hated somehow? It's entirely possible that scum tried to kill him night one, which is hilarious.
I'd also be more than willing to bet that there was scum on wagon. In fact,
vote: silverspawn
? you do realize I started the wagon on WW, right?
Pointless argument, surely. The whole point of Traitor is that scum don't know who they are, right? So being on the WW wagon or not is basically a complete null tell.
WW would have known who the other scum were, though, right?
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Traitor
ohh, yeah.
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well, given how amazing my reads are this game, surely scum!me would have pushed a townie :D
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I have mod-confirmed result that ADK targeted RR. Not sure why call me liar
I have a mod confirmed result that ADK targeted someone else.
Urr... What?
Egor, I really think you need to stop softclaiming...
This is some super bold play from Egor if he's scum.
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vote: Egork
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I am not softclaiming here. I have no hecking clue why I've also got watcher result. Probably some power granting flows around.
I targeted RR (based on WW posts mostly). I've got message from mod stating night, that I am getting watcher result and that my target was targeted by ADK. I hope I paraphrased enough not to be modkilled
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vote: ADK
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unvote
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Ouch, just got message in QT stating that ADK targeted watcher's target, not mine
Unvote
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I am not softclaiming here. I have no hecking clue why I've also got watcher result. Probably some power granting flows around.
I targeted RR (based on WW posts mostly). I've got message from mod stating night, that I am getting watcher result and that my target was targeted by ADK. I hope I paraphrased enough not to be modkilled
You are confused.
RR targeted someone to watch. You received his result. So ADK targeted whomever RR watched. I doubt he could self-watch.
We now know that ADK can target people.
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I am not softclaiming here. I have no hecking clue why I've also got watcher result. Probably some power granting flows around.
I targeted RR (based on WW posts mostly). I've got message from mod stating night, that I am getting watcher result and that my target was targeted by ADK. I hope I paraphrased enough not to be modkilled
You are confused.
RR targeted someone to watch. You received his result. So ADK targeted whomever RR watched. I doubt he could self-watch.
We now know that ADK can target people.
Why do you think I got RR results? Had I missed something? Also I've got nothing like this N1
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I am not softclaiming here. I have no hecking clue why I've also got watcher result. Probably some power granting flows around.
I targeted RR (based on WW posts mostly). I've got message from mod stating night, that I am getting watcher result and that my target was targeted by ADK. I hope I paraphrased enough not to be modkilled
You are confused.
RR targeted someone to watch. You received his result. So ADK targeted whomever RR watched. I doubt he could self-watch.
We now know that ADK can target people.
Why do you think I got RR results? Had I missed something? Also I've got nothing like this N1
I got a random watcher result for N1. Seems like that's what amnesiac must be.
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So I assume WW was hated somehow? It's entirely possible that scum tried to kill him night one, which is hilarious.
I'd also be more than willing to bet that there was scum on wagon. In fact,
vote: silverspawn
? you do realize I started the wagon on WW, right?
pretty sure I drove that from D1
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How is it scum whiffed again if we all alignment claimed yesterday?
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How is it scum whiffed again if we all alignment claimed yesterday?
Either they targeted RR or some kind of protection/RB
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Also, I will say that I got zero mod confirmations on my compulsive night actions last night so I suppose I got blocked or something. Considering I requested the paper money I expect this was town action towards me. If my actions were allowed, though, it could explain some things,
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Funny that people are claiming for credit for the WW wagon, because I agree with ADK that scum is more likely to be on than off. They clearly wanted him dead (hilariously) and would have been more likely to vote for him, especially early on I think.
We should reread WW to look at his interactions. Doesn't work the other way around though, obviously.
PPS, items can only be excahnged at the start of every day... well outside of PRs, but paper money would prevent that anyway.
I will give the paper money to someone... does anyone have a passive power ? Don't need to say more, just if it's passive, paper money won't affect it so it'd be a good place to sit. I'll give it to Egork otherwise, vigs are lame and I don't like the partial claiming anyway.
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Yeah, good point we can't analyze the WW wagon. I will say he was apparent scum to me from the get go. Also, I'm not sure I follow how early WW detractors are more likely scum. I don't typically try to lynch my NK targets as scum, especially D1/N1 where telegraphing intent would be a tell.
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I know whom RR targeted (N1 and 2). I don't follow the recent PR stuff exactly, so I don't know if it's relevant, but if it is, I can tell you.
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I know whom RR targeted (N1 and 2). I don't follow the recent PR stuff exactly, so I don't know if it's relevant, but if it is, I can tell you.
It's pro town to know who a town PR targeted.
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I'm baffled by PRs who don't bother to catch up before they claim... claiming is prettyserious business, you should make sure it's a good idea to do it before you do.
In this case yes, that'd be helpful.
Reiterating : no passive PRs around ?
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Rereading WW :
Some thoughts:
Ash I think is town. Targeting Teproc for a neighborhood is a town move. Town!Teproc is the kind of guy you want a neighborhood with as town and don't as scum. Especially for things like coordination, and their powers suggest that's a thing. Ash coming out with a big plan is not a town or scum tell, but the way he's treated it has seemed townie. (As scum he'd probably divulge more details.)
Teproc I think is town after my reread of him. (This was what led me to unvote him, I just didn't say anything at the time.)
Silver I don't understand the townreads. He seems as a good of a lynch as he was before. I'm not sure the claim gives as much towncred as Ash and Teproc suggest.
RR is as always unreadable. I'm guessing more town.
ADK has seemed town, coming in and making good points.
So who is left?
PPS
Haddock
Hydrad
Awaclus (surprisingly quiet)
gkrieg (don't remember anything)
Iguana (he's in this game?!)
Charis (I only know he's in this game because people are voting him)
Egor
Ghacob (he's in this game?!)
I wouldn't oppose anyone on that list.
This is pretty representative of WW's day 1, in that he basically only commented on {ashersky, Teproc, silverspawn, Roadrunner, ADK, Haddock}, basically didn't say a word on anyone else before this where he decides they're all his lynch pool. I'm guessing WW interacted with at least one of his partners, which would be ADK, out of that list.
Him forgetting about the iguana/ADK thing in this doesn't change much. Remember, it's not like WW had a QT with cum, he just had their names (probably), so I can see him overlooking the replacement thing.
Worth noting that he interacts with Haddock a lot, whatever that indicates. He also interacts a lot with me, so make of that what you will.
WW also defends EgorK's claim as being typical for him, which I'm still not that convinced by.
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Not much. Basically I want to lynch ADK and EgorK, but that was already the case before, so...
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Not much. Basically I want to lynch ADK and EgorK, but that was already the case before, so...
Sorry, what's this in reference to?
I am following events here but can't make detailed responses, I'm in the office.
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Not much. Basically I want to lynch ADK and EgorK, but that was already the case before, so...
Sorry, what's this in reference to?
I am following events here but can't make detailed responses, I'm in the office.
I'm basically talking to myself. "Not much" is what I got out of rereading WW.
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I'm baffled by PRs who don't bother to catch up before they claim... claiming is prettyserious business, you should make sure it's a good idea to do it before you do.
I didn't claim anything. People already know that I was redirecting RR because RR claimed it
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Who did he target N1?
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Anyway, RR was targeting Hydrad N0 and Teproc N1
that is, he did that or he did nothing. Although one of his comments implied that he didn't know that he could also not do anything.
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err that is N1 and N1 not 0 and 1
He targeted hydrad N1 and Teproc N2
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*N1 and N2
sorry
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I'm baffled by PRs who don't bother to catch up before they claim... claiming is prettyserious business, you should make sure it's a good idea to do it before you do.
I didn't claim anything. People already know that I was redirecting RR because RR claimed it
Oh right, that thing. I remember RR claiming that you could do it. You don't have to right ? I don't remember you saying you did do it, but fine I guess.
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If I'm following all of this, this means ADK targeted me last night, right ?
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RR, Watcher, targeted me and Egork got an ADK result from RR's watching. I think is it.
ADK, comments ?
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Oh right, that thing. I remember RR claiming that you could do it. You don't have to right ? I don't remember you saying you did do it, but fine I guess.
Oh yeah, I forgot that I hadn't confirmed it yet.
I do have to. Although I let RR pick my target for N2, because he didn't tell me what his power actually does.
Is your power not mandatory?
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Oh I guess you don't even have the same power, just another neighborhood. Nevermind, don't answer that.
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I have mod-confirmed result that ADK targeted RR. Not sure why call me liar
I have a mod confirmed result that ADK targeted someone else.
And we have this too. So SirMartin, was that your result ?
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Maybewe should have claimed this in another order actually. Too late for that though.
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I want ADK to say who he targeted. But didn't Egor admit that he made a mistake?
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I want ADK to say who he targeted. But didn't Egor admit that he made a mistake?
Yeah, he agrees with you now.
ADK should have claimed first, I forgot about your thing.
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Well, potentially agrees with you at least.
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Odd that ADK would target Teproc, no?
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I protected Teproc last night.
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I protected Teproc last night.
Vote: ADK You, my good sir, are probably lying. You targeted Gkreig last night!
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I protected Teproc last night.
This was the expected claim. One question:
Did you protect him on N1?
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I protected Teproc last night.
Vote: ADK You, my good sir, are probably lying. You targeted Gkreig last night!
That's unexpected.
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I protected Teproc last night.
Vote: ADK You, my good sir, are probably lying. You targeted Gkreig last night!
That's unexpected.
Who doesn't love plot twists?
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I protected Teproc last night.
This was the expected claim. One question:
Did you protect him on N1?
Nope.
I protected Teproc last night.
Vote: ADK You, my good sir, are probably lying. You targeted Gkreig last night!
I'm not lying, so I would have to assume redirection.
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Did anyone redirect me last night?
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Or ADK? Did anyone redirect him?
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I got mod confirmation that the lack of confirmations in my QT was an oversight. That is, I didn't get any bold text from the mod last night and assumed I was blocked. The lack of bold text was an oversight but neither way is indicative if I was blocked or not. So, I have to assume my actions went through.
I targeted Egork last night. Also, anyone who targeted me last night got a really interesting component. Paper money would be nice to keep these neat and usefult hings from ending up in scum's hands.
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@pps : It only prevents active powers, it sounds like what you're saying is passive, right ?
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Sounds like we should be lynching ADK.
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Well, maybe not. This whole thing is just weird.
Becuase if scum!ADK did target gkrieg, why wouldn't he claim that, knowing SirMartin would back him up, thus mislynchig EgorK ?
This is weird.
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I think all the people involved should full claim, so that we might judge the value of their claims.
But first we need to hear from Hydrad, since he's got redirection stuff going on right ?
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@pps : It only prevents active powers, it sounds like what you're saying is passive, right ?
That's a good question. The passing of the component is reflexive (passive). The creation of the component is compulsive and is a choice I have to make from a list and cannot choose the same thing twice in a row. The choosing seems active and if I don't choose then I imagine the passive part is not enabled.
The upshot is that anyone who targets me gets the component so town can get it to.
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Also, strictly based on my reads yesterday (which seem to be running pretty good), Vote: ashersky
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Also, strictly based on my reads yesterday (which seem to be running pretty good), Vote: ashersky
Makes sense.
Except wrong.
Too many claimants not adding up is the key focus today.
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Also, strictly based on my reads yesterday (which seem to be running pretty good), Vote: ashersky
Makes sense.
Except wrong.
Too many claimants not adding up is the key focus today.
Maybe, or it's a great diversion for scum to latch onto.
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I'm very confused after reading everything at the start of the day so I'll reread and recap.
ADK is claiming to have targeted Teproc with an action that Teproc wouldn't have sensed.
ss is claiming RR watched Teproc last night.
EgorK is claiming to have seen RR's result and saw that ADK targeted Teproc last night
SirMartin is claiming that ADK targeted me last night.
pps is claiming to have targeted EgorK last night which gives people good items that target him
ss is claiming that he could actually direct RR's actions.
No redirection has been claimed thus far.
Is this correct?
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pps is claiming to have targeted EgorK last night which gives people good items that target him
Is this correct?
My 2 things are mutually exclusive. That is, targeting Egork has nothing to do with the reflexive inventor role and everything to do with being the game Innovation.
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How is it scum whiffed again if we all alignment claimed yesterday?
Why do you assume scum whiffed it? We had a NK?
PPE ok...
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Also, the Innovation mechanic is compulsive as well.
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How is it scum whiffed again if we all alignment claimed yesterday?
Why do you assume scum whiffed it? We had a NK?
PPE ok...
I have no idea.
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Well I think EgorK is saying he is responsible for the RR death?
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Well I think EgorK is saying he is responsible for the RR death?
Right. But, this assumes scum whiffed and I can't imagine how.
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Well I think EgorK is saying he is responsible for the RR death?
Right. But, this assumes scum whiffed and I can't imagine how.
They could have been blocked or doctored.
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Well I think EgorK is saying he is responsible for the RR death?
Right. But, this assumes scum whiffed and I can't imagine how.
They could have been blocked or doctored.
Right. WIFOM. Personally, I believe Egork is a town vig but he could easily be using this as a ruse for being a scum NK'er.
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That's true. Technically we haven't seen two kills yet even when last night there should've been two kills, because all alignments were claimed.
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Can either SirMarting or Egork confirm that I am Innovation?
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One explanation for scum not doing a NK is that Teproc is holding Paper Money.
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I have trouble believing Teproc is scum, though.
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One explanation for scum not doing a NK is that Teproc is holding Paper Money.
It seems like someone else would have done the kill in this situation
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I was thinking about the Paper Money. I'm still fine with taking it today but I can choose a more innocuous component tonight. Also, I expect to die soon, anyway. If we can hit scum today and Paper Money the other scum that would be wow. Big Ifs, though.
Oh, but if I die with Paper Money in hand to a NK, guess who gets Paper Money... except they just pass it off the next day, I suppose.
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Paper Money doesn't affect Mass-Market games. Scum i fine having it, though it does mean no town PR gets blocked for a night.
I'm leaning towards giving it to someone scummy. Or someone with a role I don't care for, like EgorK. Things should be clearer once Hydrad comes in and possibly once people full claim.
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I was thinking about the Paper Money. I'm still fine with taking it today but I can choose a more innocuous component tonight. Also, I expect to die soon, anyway. If we can hit scum today and Paper Money the other scum that would be wow. Big Ifs, though.
Oh, but if I die with Paper Money in hand to a NK, guess who gets Paper Money... except they just pass it off the next day, I suppose.
If you want to take the paper money I guess that would be fine. It might be nicer to try to hit scum with it though
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PPs's active role has more upside than he realises, so I don't want to give it to him.
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Paper Money doesn't affect Mass-Market games. Scum i fine having it, though it does mean no town PR gets blocked for a night.
I'm leaning towards giving it to someone scummy. Or someone with a role I don't care for, like EgorK. Things should be clearer once Hydrad comes in and possibly once people full claim.
Oh never mind. I think you should give it to someone scummy then. Better to have it not affecting town than affecting it.
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I'm not getting PPEs for some reason
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Hihi. Me again.
I took all actions on teproc and moved them to gkrieg. Sorry for more confusion.
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Geez. You're loving this aren't you ?
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Hydrad, could you explain the reasoning behind both of your night actions ?
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Geez. You're loving this aren't you ?
I'm having fun this game. :)
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Hihi. Me again.
I took all actions on teproc and moved them to gkrieg. Sorry for more confusion.
So that confirms everyone. Which means any or none of them can be scum.
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I suspected as much. Hydrad's actions don't make a lot of sense to me but if he's scum then I don't see why he would bother claiming them so I'm willing to put it down to Hydrad being Hydrad.
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Hydrad, could you explain the reasoning behind both of your night actions ?
Sure.
N1 I wanted to protect haddock because I wanted to use his power. But that didn't end up happening.
N2 I thought you looked towny and was like oh scum might wanna kill you so I'll save you. Then I was thinking ok scum will have at least one off wagon right? So I ended up moving it to gkrieg. But then I found out today that ww is a traitor. Soooo it makes more sense now and I should have done it to someone else.
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So you were mostly intending your roles as doctors right ? Redirecting from townie people to scummy people.
Sure, makes sense I guess. It does mean that all this claiming has been for nothing.
vote: ADK
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Oh, and I think I'm giving the paper money to Hydrad. Don't see that much town upside to this role anyway.
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Protection is fine and all, but confusion is anti-town : it's outed a bunch of people here for no good reason here for example.
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So you were mostly intending your roles as doctors right ? Redirecting from townie people to scummy people.
Sure, makes sense I guess. It does mean that all this claiming has been for nothing.
vote: ADK
Why, out of curiosity?
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So you were mostly intending your roles as doctors right ? Redirecting from townie people to scummy people.
Sure, makes sense I guess. It does mean that all this claiming has been for nothing.
vote: ADK
Ya pretty much. I don't know how else I can really use my role so that's what I've been going for.
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Because I think you're scum, but I'm guessing you got that part.
You're not obvtown to me, which usually means you're scum. I realise there's noy much you can say to that, but it is what it is.
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I'm very confused after reading everything at the start of the day so I'll reread and recap.
ADK is claiming to have targeted Teproc with an action that Teproc wouldn't have sensed.
ss is claiming RR watched Teproc last night.
EgorK is claiming to have seen RR's result and saw that ADK targeted Teproc last night
SirMartin is claiming that ADK targeted me last night.
pps is claiming to have targeted EgorK last night which gives people good items that target him
ss is claiming that he could actually direct RR's actions.
No redirection has been claimed thus far.
Is this correct?
I do not know whose watcher results I've got and who was the target
Also I only received component at the start of D2, not D3
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Can someone reiterate the case on ADK, the votes are racking up...
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I'm very confused after reading everything at the start of the day so I'll reread and recap.
ADK is claiming to have targeted Teproc with an action that Teproc wouldn't have sensed.
ss is claiming RR watched Teproc last night.
EgorK is claiming to have seen RR's result and saw that ADK targeted Teproc last night
SirMartin is claiming that ADK targeted me last night.
pps is claiming to have targeted EgorK last night which gives people good items that target him
ss is claiming that he could actually direct RR's actions.
No redirection has been claimed thus far.
Is this correct?
I do not know whose watcher results I've got and who was the target
Also I only received component at the start of D2, not D3
Can you confirm that I am Innovation?
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Can someone reiterate the case on ADK, the votes are racking up...
He's not townie. town!ADK is townie.
I rest my case.
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I'm very confused after reading everything at the start of the day so I'll reread and recap.
ADK is claiming to have targeted Teproc with an action that Teproc wouldn't have sensed.
ss is claiming RR watched Teproc last night.
EgorK is claiming to have seen RR's result and saw that ADK targeted Teproc last night
SirMartin is claiming that ADK targeted me last night.
pps is claiming to have targeted EgorK last night which gives people good items that target him
ss is claiming that he could actually direct RR's actions.
No redirection has been claimed thus far.
Is this correct?
I do not know whose watcher results I've got and who was the target
Also I only received component at the start of D2, not D3
Can you confirm that I am Innovation?
I have nothing in my QT to indicate that, implicitly or explicitly
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Can someone reiterate the case on ADK, the votes are racking up...
He's not townie. town!ADK is townie.
I rest my case.
I'm sure I could pull up a few games where I was scummy as town, but I don't know what I'm doing here that isn't townie.
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Oh, and I think I'm giving the paper money to Hydrad. Don't see that much town upside to this role anyway.
Little do you know I'm totally going to make game winning plays with it!
but ya if you want to give me the paper thats fine. I understand
Although I'm still in a way a doctor right? Just a... confusing one?
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you're more of a bodyguard who guards with someone else
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Sorry, busy evening.
Well, all those claims are consistent. Which actually sucks, some contradiction would have been nice.
Hydrad's targets are weird. You're aware that your thing isn't actually that Doctory, right Hydrad? I mean, someone still dies. I guess if you do it right it can be like a doctor-vig, but that's tough.
The scumwhiffing is weird. Except I think tonight they might have shot RR. Several of us were declaring him obv!town which makes him a hard mislynch. Egor killing RR is really really bad. I'm really torn here. Egor's claim interlaced with Hydrad still carries so much weight for me, it makes it so believable. But killing RR.... man, I was so convinced RR was town, it's hard for me to see the town narrative for killing RR.
PPE 1.
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ADK, "I protected Teproc" isn't particularly clear. What brand of protection? Care to claim properly?
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Haddock is right actually, killing RR is completely insane.
vote: Egork
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that's true. why didn't I think of that?
don't answer that
vote: Egork
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you're more of a bodyguard who guards with someone else
If he makes sure to always redirect from one alignment to another it works out like a doctor.
ADK, "I protected Teproc" isn't particularly clear. What brand of protection? Care to claim properly?
I don't see why that's necessary at this point.
I get that EgorK targeting RR seems weird but why does scum claim vig? They have like a 100% chance of getting caught eventually, it doesn't really make any sense.
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Why do they have a 100% chance of being caught ? This is RMM, crazy stuff happens. It certainly protects them from tracker/watcher.
The wai they get caught is by killing people they have no business killing. Which, there you go.
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that plus weird claims
plus only 1 kill
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They get caught because eventually town goes "huh, you claimed vig but there's only ever been one NK, what's up with that." Which kind of seems to be happening, I admit, but why wouldn't scum think of that in the first place? What has scum!EgorK gained by claiming vig?
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towncred & protection from a lot of investigative roles
dunno, my feeling says scum doesn't do it. but logic says he did.
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Well, he claimed something, and that's often worth towncred, especially early on. Also it protects him from tracking/watching (or weird stuff like Psychologists).
The thing is, the two key things that should make you disbelieve a vig happened twice now. He's shot two townie people (Haddock and RR) and both times it was the only kill. So... it's a bold scum claim, sure, but that still adds up more than a town claim.
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shooting a universal townread also almost warrants a policy lynch
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shooting a universal townread also almost warrants a policy lynch
I have a policy against policy lynches.
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shooting a universal townread also almost warrants a policy lynch
I have a policy against policy lynches.
I agree.
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shooting a universal townread also almost warrants a policy lynch
I was gonna say, "universal? Not really, WW thought RR was scummy". Then I remembered that WW was scum.
As it is, I guess PPS seemed to be leaning towards finding RR scummy.
But your point stands.
I don't see why that's necessary at this point.
I think it's necessary because I'm not sure I really believe your current softclaim. "Protection" is very convenient and completely unprovable in this context.
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shooting a universal townread also almost warrants a policy lynch
I was gonna say, "universal? Not really, WW thought RR was scummy". Then I remembered that WW was scum.
As it is, I guess PPS seemed to be leaning towards finding RR scummy.
But your point stands.
I don't see why that's necessary at this point.
I think it's necessary because I'm not sure I really believe your current softclaim. "Protection" is very convenient and completely unprovable in this context.
There's been enough claiming already. You alone being skeptical doesn't make it seem necessary to me.
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So we have really weird targets this game. Hydrad's claim seems good. EgorK's claim is scummy to me. vote: EgorK
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Well, all those claims are consistent. Which actually sucks, some contradiction would have been nice.
Hydrad's targets are weird. You're aware that your thing isn't actually that Doctory, right Hydrad? I mean, someone still dies. I guess if you do it right it can be like a doctor-vig, but that's tough.
The scumwhiffing is weird. Except I think tonight they might have shot RR. Several of us were declaring him obv!town which makes him a hard mislynch. Egor killing RR is really really bad. I'm really torn here. Egor's claim interlaced with Hydrad still carries so much weight for me, it makes it so believable. But killing RR.... man, I was so convinced RR was town, it's hard for me to see the town narrative for killing RR.
PPE 1.
Once again this looks like hedging to me.
@Teproc, ADK is still seeming pretty darn townie to me. What makes you suspect him? I know you already explained it a little bit, but is it something in his meta that makes you suspect him?
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I frankly can't. I just... I tend to find it obvious when ADK is town, and I'm not getting that here. That's not particularly helpful to you, and maybe I'll make a case at some point, but... see, this the thing with RMM : I feel heavily discouraged from putting any kind of work, because day interactions are so much less relevant than night interactions. So, I'm fine just playing on gut and night action analysis.
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I'll trust teproc here.
Vote: ADK
I would go egork as his nightkills and stuff don't make sense. But really I can't see scum instantly claiming that. thats just... soooo bold. I know I could never do that and I just kinda felt like Egork wouldn't either. Their are some players that I might consider that would claim that but Egork I feel is in my list of wouldn't.
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I frankly can't. I just... I tend to find it obvious when ADK is town, and I'm not getting that here. That's not particularly helpful to you, and maybe I'll make a case at some point, but... see, this the thing with RMM : I feel heavily discouraged from putting any kind of work, because day interactions are so much less relevant than night interactions. So, I'm fine just playing on gut and night action analysis.
That's ok. Not rereading just because a lot of what happens is in the night actions seems lazy to me.
PPE
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It is.
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So we have really weird targets this game. Hydrad's claim seems good. EgorK's claim is scummy to me. vote: EgorK
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Well, all those claims are consistent. Which actually sucks, some contradiction would have been nice.
Hydrad's targets are weird. You're aware that your thing isn't actually that Doctory, right Hydrad? I mean, someone still dies. I guess if you do it right it can be like a doctor-vig, but that's tough.
The scumwhiffing is weird. Except I think tonight they might have shot RR. Several of us were declaring him obv!town which makes him a hard mislynch. Egor killing RR is really really bad. I'm really torn here. Egor's claim interlaced with Hydrad still carries so much weight for me, it makes it so believable. But killing RR.... man, I was so convinced RR was town, it's hard for me to see the town narrative for killing RR.
PPE 1.
Once again this looks like hedging to me.
@Teproc, ADK is still seeming pretty darn townie to me. What makes you suspect him? I know you already explained it a little bit, but is it something in his meta that makes you suspect him?
Wait, hold on. You're voting for EgorK on the back of my post about him while simultaneously calling that post hedgey? That makes perfect sense.
There's been enough claiming already. You alone being skeptical doesn't make it seem necessary to me.
Yeah OK, you find me scummy, we get it. Obviously you're not claiming just because of me. But does no one else think we need more from ADK here? I mean, I've been finding you townyish for most of the game but this is weak sauce from you atm.
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I don't think ADK needs to claim anything no. What's the point ? If we get close-ish to lynching him then sure, otherwise I don't see why.
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Bleh. OK.
I need to go to bed now anyway. It's pretty late here. See everyone in a few hours.
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The person who needs to post is Egork. I mean, some rationalization is in order.
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I do not know what to say. I am again proven bad at reading RR.
I think I'd better full claim. I'm Bang! My role is desperado, with a twist that I only die if I target Ameritrash (and my target dies otherwise)
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I do not know what to say. I am again proven bad at reading RR.
I think I'd better full claim. I'm Bang! My role is desperado, with a twist that I only die if I target Ameritrash (and my target dies otherwise)
Easy enough to confirm. I think we let him keep shooting until he does.
Or he stops shooting. Either one.
Desperados are generally day shots, though.
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Actually, now that we've claimed, he'll never die. He'll just keep shooting Euros until he hits scum and runs out of targets.
That's not great.
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Actually, now that we've claimed, he'll never die. He'll just keep shooting Euros until he hits scum and runs out of targets.
That's not great.
As you can see I tried to shot claimed ameritrash N1. I still will go with my top scum read, and ok with dying if not right.
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Does T own have any strictly pro town PRs, geez.
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I do not know what to say. I am again proven bad at reading RR.
not to put salt into the wound but I have to ask, why did you trust your own read over the consensus if you already thought you weren't good at reading RR?
because it's awfully easy for scum!you to say this
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I do not know what to say. I am again proven bad at reading RR.
not to put salt into the wound but I have to ask, why did you trust your own read over the consensus if you already thought you weren't good at reading RR?
because it's awfully easy for scum!you to say this
Consensus is influenced by scum, I am not. Plus "proven" part is after the fact.
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On the one hand I think what Egork claims adds up in a gut sort of way.
On the other hand with him killing each night and all of town having claimed alignment we should have had 2 deaths last night but onyl got one. Unless someone was somehow protected then Egork really seems to be bold scum.
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I did get mod confirmation that my targets are not directly notified that I targeted them so, Egork claiming to not have any indication that he was targeted by me checks out.
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On the one hand I think what Egork claims adds up in a gut sort of way.
On the other hand with him killing each night and all of town having claimed alignment we should have had 2 deaths last night but onyl got one. Unless someone was somehow protected then Egork really seems to be bold scum.
Why do you think it is that implausible that scum targeted RR? And it seems pretty obvious that scum targeted WW N1 to me, so if you believe I targeted Haddock (and was redirected) I am either what I claim to be or SK, but that's beside argument of only getting 1 nk per night
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Well, I guess WW may had been hated for some other reason, but it is unlikely
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This has got to be the worst use of a PR ever.
I mean I'm sorry EgorK, but you're telling me
a) you never supported (or really commented on) a plan that definitely made your power a whole lot better (in a way that I even described)
b) you decide to shoot someone you KNEW would result in TWO town deaths if you got it wrong, someone who had a very strong and believable PR claim by the way
c) you then decided to shoot a universal town read
What the hell ?
On that note : unvote
I mean, maybe this is superbold scum. But I have to go back to messy claim = town claim.
vote: ADK
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Actually..
unvote
Let's try something : Could anyone other than ADK have prevented the kill last night ? No need to be specific, just yes or no ?
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Yes
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Well, that was disappointing.
vote: ADK
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I don't get why that was disappointing?
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Making ICs is pretty good. I guess it wasn't all that likely.
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Making ICs is pretty good. I guess it wasn't all that likely.
I'm able to but I haven't stopped the nk yet
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I guess my question was unclear then ?
Basically, if no one else could have an explanation for preventing last night's kill, then ADK is town. I guess it's also possible that scum shot RR, but I kinda doubt it. He was townie but he's not the most popular NK target.
So, I don't really care if you have the ability to prevent a kill in general, I care if you could have prevented last night's kill specifically.
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I guess my question was unclear then ?
Basically, if no one else could have an explanation for preventing last night's kill, then ADK is town. I guess it's also possible that scum shot RR, but I kinda doubt it. He was townie but he's not the most popular NK target.
So, I don't really care if you have the ability to prevent a kill in general, I care if you could have prevented last night's kill specifically.
No I didn't prevent it last night unless some crazy things happened.
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Why is scum leaving the general town leaders alive? I mean Teproc and ADK specifically.
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This has got to be the worst use of a PR ever.
I mean I'm sorry EgorK, but you're telling me
a) you never supported (or really commented on) a plan that definitely made your power a whole lot better (in a way that I even described)
b) you decide to shoot someone you KNEW would result in TWO town deaths if you got it wrong, someone who had a very strong and believable PR claim by the way
c) you then decided to shoot a universal town read
What the hell ?
On that note : unvote
I mean, maybe this is superbold scum. But I have to go back to messy claim = town claim.
vote: ADK
I commented on plan, if you mean ash's. Also I don't understand about 2 town deaths
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Oh, you mean you die if you target ameritrash but not the other guy ?
Right, it's Desperado, duh.
Still awful to target a claimed ameritrash... you should not want to die, I thought that was pretty obvious.
You barely talkes about the plan, and certainly didn't support it when it was exactly the kind of roles I was thinking about when supporting it. Why ?
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Did anyone target me last night?
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Why is scum leaving the general town leaders alive? I mean Teproc and ADK specifically.
As much as I appreciate the flattery I don't feel like I'm leading Town here. If anyone is a town leader it's you.
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Oh, you mean you die if you target ameritrash but not the other guy ?
Right, it's Desperado, duh.
Still awful to target a claimed ameritrash... you should not want to die, I thought that was pretty obvious.
You barely talkes about the plan, and certainly didn't support it when it was exactly the kind of roles I was thinking about when supporting it. Why ?
Because I do not think that my role is more beneficial than average town role this game. That answers your other question as well
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Oh, you mean you die if you target ameritrash but not the other guy ?
Right, it's Desperado, duh.
Still awful to target a claimed ameritrash... you should not want to die, I thought that was pretty obvious.
You barely talkes about the plan, and certainly didn't support it when it was exactly the kind of roles I was thinking about when supporting it. Why ?
Because I do not think that my role is more beneficial than average town role this game. That answers your other question as well
That is incredibly lucky you got redirected then. Unless Haddock is scum of course.
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Why is scum leaving the general town leaders alive? I mean Teproc and ADK specifically.
As much as I appreciate the flattery I don't feel like I'm leading Town here. If anyone is a town leader it's you.
Seriously? We must be playing two different games, here.
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Why is scum leaving the general town leaders alive? I mean Teproc and ADK specifically.
As much as I appreciate the flattery I don't feel like I'm leading Town here. If anyone is a town leader it's you.
Seriously? We must be playing two different games, here.
I actually think it's two definitions.
He means I'm leading town (around) via what I do and say. A player of any alignment can lead the town.
I meant he's a leader at town play, I.e., a strong player when town who always dies early.
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Hmmmnmmmm.
I don't like it, but I think I have to accept that Egor's claim is probably fine.
So, now that the hectic claiming stuff from earlier is mostly done I think I'll claim my target from last night. Just another thing to throw into the mix.
Any objections?
Meantime, I want to vote ADK, but I don't want to derphammer. Can we get a vote count?
I believe it's either 3 or 4 atm but there's been so much voting and unvoting I'm not sure.
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I need to put more time into this game.
I encourage lynching ADK, we can do a lot during the night, then maybe lynch EgorK tomorrow.
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Vote Count 3.gkrieg
ashersky (1): pingpongsam
EgorK (2): ss, gkrieg13
silverspawn (1): ADK
ADK (3):SirMartin, Teproc, Hydrad
Not Voting (0): everyone else, Haddock, ashersky, EgorK?
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
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I did that vote count fairly fast, but it should be accurate
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Can someone on the ADK wagon explain the case on him?
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I need to put more time into this game.
I encourage lynching ADK, we can do a lot during the night, then maybe lynch EgorK tomorrow.
I dislike the "lynch person A today, B tomorrow" line of thinking. I also don't know why you still want to lynch EgorK.
vote: SirMartin
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Thing about Egork is WW died hated so it is likely scum whiffed WW and Egork is what he says he is. Doesn't make him not scum, though. Question is, does the mod multi ball scum, with a traitor, and condition that the Desperado scum dies when he hits Ameritrash. I think maybe so, thus the push to ascertain our alignments. Thus, ashersky and Egork are easily scum, here.
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Thing about Egork is WW died hated so it is likely scum whiffed WW and Egork is what he says he is. Doesn't make him not scum, though. Question is, does the mod multi ball scum, with a traitor, and condition that the Desperado scum dies when he hits Ameritrash. I think maybe so, thus the push to ascertain our alignments. Thus, ashersky and Egork are easily scum, here.
Why ash?
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Because he pushed for the claims?
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Because he pushed for the claims?
Yes, where's the even remotely game breaking plan now? Also, his play has come off more and more scummy to me as the game progresses.
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I need to put more time into this game.
I encourage lynching ADK, we can do a lot during the night, then maybe lynch EgorK tomorrow.
I dislike the "lynch person A today, B tomorrow" line of thinking. I also don't know why you still want to lynch EgorK.
vote: SirMartin
I don't like this much. I agree that's not a good way for SirMartin to be thinking, but it's his first game, I don't think this makes him scummy.
Can someone on the ADK wagon explain the case on him?
For me, part of it was his weaksauce "I protected Teproc" softclaim. But then I kind of expected someone else to come forward with a protective claim by now. Since they haven't, I guess ADK is likely town.
So, other directions. Is it me or is PPS getting scummier lately?
Also, since noone objected to my claiming, I'll announce that I targeted silverspawn last night. Not that I thought he was particularly scummy, but a decent number of other people thought so, so I figured he'd get some scrutiny today. Hasn't gone that way, though.
PPE. I personally no longer have much interest in lynching ash.
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I remember thinking like that as new town, lining up lynches.
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I thought the negative attention SS was getting yesterday to be undue. Curious to reread and see if I can spot the cause for change in atmosphere.
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Oh, you mean you die if you target ameritrash but not the other guy ?
Right, it's Desperado, duh.
Still awful to target a claimed ameritrash... you should not want to die, I thought that was pretty obvious.
You barely talkes about the plan, and certainly didn't support it when it was exactly the kind of roles I was thinking about when supporting it. Why ?
Because I do not think that my role is more beneficial than average town role this game. That answers your other question as well
That is incredibly lucky you got redirected then. Unless Haddock is scum of course.
Enlighten me why?
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Bah.
I have this horrible feeling that this day is starting to die off, activity-wise.
a) That's boring.
b) We really don't want to waste the bankable time.
Anyone got anything groundbreaking to add?
I'm not currently voting, so I guess the above is pretty hypocritical of me.
I think I'll vote: Egor after all, for now. His claim seemed good at first, but it's not that amazing, and scum have had ages now to set up decent fakeclaims.
I'm not exactly ecstatic with that vote though.
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I thought the negative attention SS was getting yesterday to be undue. Curious to reread and see if I can spot the cause for change in atmosphere.
What part of it was undue?
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Oh, you mean you die if you target ameritrash but not the other guy ?
Right, it's Desperado, duh.
Still awful to target a claimed ameritrash... you should not want to die, I thought that was pretty obvious.
You barely talkes about the plan, and certainly didn't support it when it was exactly the kind of roles I was thinking about when supporting it. Why ?
Because I do not think that my role is more beneficial than average town role this game. That answers your other question as well
That is incredibly lucky you got redirected then. Unless Haddock is scum of course.
Enlighten me why?
Well he had claimed ameritrash, which if you target you die. We would've had 2 town deaths if Hydrad hadn't redirected you. Unless Haddock is scum of course.
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I need to put more time into this game.
I encourage lynching ADK, we can do a lot during the night, then maybe lynch EgorK tomorrow.
I dislike the "lynch person A today, B tomorrow" line of thinking. I also don't know why you still want to lynch EgorK.
vote: SirMartin
I don't like this much. I agree that's not a good way for SirMartin to be thinking, but it's his first game, I don't think this makes him scummy.
Can someone on the ADK wagon explain the case on him?
For me, part of it was his weaksauce "I protected Teproc" softclaim. But then I kind of expected someone else to come forward with a protective claim by now. Since they haven't, I guess ADK is likely town.
So, other directions. Is it me or is PPS getting scummier lately?
Also, since noone objected to my claiming, I'll announce that I targeted silverspawn last night. Not that I thought he was particularly scummy, but a decent number of other people thought so, so I figured he'd get some scrutiny today. Hasn't gone that way, though.
PPE. I personally no longer have much interest in lynching ash.
I feel like we need to either test the claim or lynch the claimer at this point. It just seems like too easy of a scum fake claim at this point, especially if we never test it.
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Thing about Egork is WW died hated so it is likely scum whiffed WW and Egork is what he says he is. Doesn't make him not scum, though. Question is, does the mod multi ball scum, with a traitor, and condition that the Desperado scum dies when he hits Ameritrash. I think maybe so, thus the push to ascertain our alignments. Thus, ashersky and Egork are easily scum, here.
Doesn't a traitor come over to the scum team if he is shot by them?
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I thought the negative attention SS was getting yesterday to be undue. Curious to reread and see if I can spot the cause for change in atmosphere.
What part of it was undue?
I'll address this more on the reread which I should be able to do this afternoon. For now I will say that I recall people I thought were scummy were pressing on him and nothing substantial was posited despite him getting several votes. It felt scummy then and I don't recall him doing anything otherwise scummy himself. That said, I am strictly speaking from memory which may be quite decoupled from the reality of the situation.
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Why is scum leaving the general town leaders alive? I mean Teproc and ADK specifically.
Maybe because they are scum...
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Thing about Egork is WW died hated so it is likely scum whiffed WW and Egork is what he says he is. Doesn't make him not scum, though. Question is, does the mod multi ball scum, with a traitor, and condition that the Desperado scum dies when he hits Ameritrash. I think maybe so, thus the push to ascertain our alignments. Thus, ashersky and Egork are easily scum, here.
Doesn't a traitor come over to the scum team if he is shot by them?
I think it can work that way but the wiki (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Traitor) suggests not.
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@Teproc, why did you unvote from ADK the first time, but not the second time, when his claim is kinda confirmed? Even though it doesn't explain the lack of scum NK the first night?
PPE
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@Teproc, why did you unvote from ADK the first time, but not the second time, when his claim is kinda confirmed? Even though it doesn't explain the lack of scum NK the first night?
PPE
How is his claim confirmed ?
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@Teproc, why did you unvote from ADK the first time, but not the second time, when his claim is kinda confirmed? Even though it doesn't explain the lack of scum NK the first night?
PPE
How is his claim confirmed ?
We have a lack of NK and he claims to have protected you. Isn't that what happened?
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Yes... there are also other players in the game. This is why I was asking people to say if they might be the cause of a no kill last night, but you were the only one to respond...
I'll ask again I guess ? COuld everyone answer yes or no to that ?
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Yes... there are also other players in the game. This is why I was asking people to say if they might be the cause of a no kill last night, but you were the only one to respond...
I'll ask again I guess ? COuld everyone answer yes or no to that ?
yes I can; the answer is no.
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Yes... there are also other players in the game. This is why I was asking people to say if they might be the cause of a no kill last night, but you were the only one to respond...
I'll ask again I guess ? COuld everyone answer yes or no to that ?
Yes
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As I currently understand it my passive ability could not have affected this due to the choices I have made in the order they were made. I am however, awaiting mod-confirmation of this.
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I'm a no. I think we can test haddock today.
vote: ss
Also, semi-dama.
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vote: ss
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Oh, you mean you die if you target ameritrash but not the other guy ?
Right, it's Desperado, duh.
Still awful to target a claimed ameritrash... you should not want to die, I thought that was pretty obvious.
You barely talkes about the plan, and certainly didn't support it when it was exactly the kind of roles I was thinking about when supporting it. Why ?
Because I do not think that my role is more beneficial than average town role this game. That answers your other question as well
That is incredibly lucky you got redirected then. Unless Haddock is scum of course.
Enlighten me why?
Well he had claimed ameritrash, which if you target you die. We would've had 2 town deaths if Hydrad hadn't redirected you. Unless Haddock is scum of course.
This was even adressed in this thread already. If desperado dies he do not kill target
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Well, the game is a bit unwieldy to reread how everyone behaved towards SS but it was not too hard to reread all of SS himself. Most of his thoughts echo my own. I'm not seeing anything particularly scummy here. Also, I tallied votes on SS.
Haddock/Teproc/Awaclus all voted him once on D1.
iguanaiguana
RR cast 3 votes
WW cast 2
ADK/gkrieg all voted him once today
ashersky has voted SS 5 times now.
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SS may be the most voted player without being lynched so far.
ashersky sure wants him dead, some might call it tunneling.
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Also, semi-dama.
How was alignment claiming supposed to secure town victory?
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Also, semi-dama.
How was alignment claiming supposed to secure town victory?
I had a plan that turned out not to work. Teproc and ADK know.
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Why are you tunneling SS?
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Why are you tunneling SS?
He's not towns like usual SS.
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I'm a no. I think we can test haddock today.
vote: ss
Also, semi-dama.
Well you already know that I'm a no for this one. (Couldn't have protected anyone, that is.)
I can get behind the SS thing if people are keen to test me. vote: ss
Let's do this.
What does semi-dama mean?
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Why are you tunneling SS?
He's not towns like usual SS.
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Worth noting that ash always thinks ss is scum, so this comment is pretty hilarious (I assume intentionally).
I don't think silver is scum here, because of the neighborizer thing, though...
silver : can you neighborize other people ? Or is it one and done ?
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Why are you tunneling SS?
He's not towns like usual SS.
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Worth noting that ash always thinks ss is scum, so this comment is pretty hilarious (I assume intentionally).
I don't think silver is scum here, because of the neighborizer thing, though...
silver : can you neighborize other people ? Or is it one and done ?
But not every role has its complement in the other alignment
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Why are you tunneling SS?
He's not towns like usual SS.
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Worth noting that ash always thinks ss is scum, so this comment is pretty hilarious (I assume intentionally).
I don't think silver is scum here, because of the neighborizer thing, though...
silver : can you neighborize other people ? Or is it one and done ?
I can, and that is also why you have been fortunate.
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you all would do much better at considering me the conf!town player that I am
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Why are you tunneling SS?
He's not towns like usual SS.
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Worth noting that ash always thinks ss is scum, so this comment is pretty hilarious (I assume intentionally).
I don't think silver is scum here, because of the neighborizer thing, though...
silver : can you neighborize other people ? Or is it one and done ?
I can, and that is also why you have been fortunate.
Fortunate how ?
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Why are you tunneling SS?
He's not towns like usual SS.
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Worth noting that ash always thinks ss is scum, so this comment is pretty hilarious (I assume intentionally).
I don't think silver is scum here, because of the neighborizer thing, though...
silver : can you neighborize other people ? Or is it one and done ?
I can, and that is also why you have been fortunate.
Fortunate how ?
no no, I'm talking in a code which you're supposed to understand, if I explain it the purpose of said code flies out the window.
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but you should know, or at least strongly suspect, that I'm town. then again, you seem to know already.
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and if you could convince everyone else, that would be great!
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I'm off to sleep.......
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vote: ss
vote: gkrieg
Sheep vote is suspicious
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vote: ss
vote: gkrieg
Sheep vote is suspicious
Not really a sheep vote though. I stated a few posts earlier that I thought we should either test haddock today or not do it at all.
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So the case on silver isn't so much on silver as it is testing haddock?
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Vote Count 3.0
silverspawn (4): A Drowned Kernel, ashersky, gkreig13, Haddock
A Drowned Kernel (3): SirMartin, Hydrad, Teproc
EgorK (1): silverspawn
ashersky (1): pingpongsam
gkreig13 (1): A Drowned Kernel
Not Voting (0):
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. D3 ends January 29th at 10:53 PM. 1 hour of bankable time has been used.
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Got mod confirmation that the components I generate cannot be used by their recipients the night they receive them. This means that I could not have affected the outcome of last night's actions with regards to people getting killed.
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So the case on silver isn't so much on silver as it is testing haddock?
kinda both. If ss is scum, we got one. If Haddock is lying, we caught scum as well.
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Vote Count 3.0
silverspawn (4): A Drowned Kernel, ashersky, gkreig13, Haddock
A Drowned Kernel (3): SirMartin, Hydrad, Teproc
EgorK (1): silverspawn
ashersky (1): pingpongsam
gkreig13 (1): A Drowned Kernel
Not Voting (0):
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. D3 ends January 29th at 10:53 PM. 1 hour of bankable time has been used.
ADK shows up twice in this vote count
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Which means EgorK is the one not voting?
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Why are you tunneling SS?
He's not towns like usual SS.
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Worth noting that ash always thinks ss is scum, so this comment is pretty hilarious (I assume intentionally).
I don't think silver is scum here, because of the neighborizer thing, though...
silver : can you neighborize other people ? Or is it one and done ?
I can, and that is also why you have been fortunate.
Fortunate how ?
@Teproc, any more comment on this?
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SS may be the most voted player without being lynched so far.
ashersky sure wants him dead, some might call it tunneling.
What about Haddock? It seems like he has also been voted a lot without being lynched
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Oh, you mean you die if you target ameritrash but not the other guy ?
Right, it's Desperado, duh.
Still awful to target a claimed ameritrash... you should not want to die, I thought that was pretty obvious.
You barely talkes about the plan, and certainly didn't support it when it was exactly the kind of roles I was thinking about when supporting it. Why ?
Because I do not think that my role is more beneficial than average town role this game. That answers your other question as well
That is incredibly lucky you got redirected then. Unless Haddock is scum of course.
Enlighten me why?
Well he had claimed ameritrash, which if you target you die. We would've had 2 town deaths if Hydrad hadn't redirected you. Unless Haddock is scum of course.
This was even adressed in this thread already. If desperado dies he do not kill target
I must have missed that part
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Thing about Egork is WW died hated so it is likely scum whiffed WW and Egork is what he says he is. Doesn't make him not scum, though. Question is, does the mod multi ball scum, with a traitor, and condition that the Desperado scum dies when he hits Ameritrash. I think maybe so, thus the push to ascertain our alignments. Thus, ashersky and Egork are easily scum, here.
I missed this post when I was reading through yesterday. Their factional kill requires them to guess the alignment of the person they are killing. Why would they have an extra power that only lets them kill Euros? If anything it looks more SK to me than scum by this logic.
Flavorwise I don't see a second scum team. Maybe they could be online games? Like Call of Duty or something?
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I received an item. I'd like to know who gave it to me?
@gkrieg : If "fortunate" was adressed at me, I didn't get it. I still don't get it. Mostly because everything I can think of doesn't necessitate being cryptic.
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I received an item.
ahhh seriously? come on!
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Mostly because everything I can think of doesn't necessitate being cryptic.
meh.
but to avoid any further confusion: i gave you the item. I'm so nice!
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That's what I thought, but again I don't get why you needed to be cryptic there. Also "fortunate" made me think of paper money (because fortune = money) so there was the possibility of it being something else.
We shouldn't lynch silverspawn tonight. No way he gives me what he gave me if he's scum.
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That's what I thought, but again I don't get why you needed to be cryptic there. Also "fortunate" made me think of paper money (because fortune = money) so there was the possibility of it being something else.
We shouldn't lynch silverspawn tonight. No way he gives me what he gave me if he's scum.
Onwards to ashersky!
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But seriously, I felt ill about the SS mislynch in the works. Ash keeps pressing SS and I think he is scum about the same way I thought WW was. Both SS and I were onto WW, so I'm curious what SS thinks of ashersky in this game.
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That's what I thought, but again I don't get why you needed to be cryptic there. Also "fortunate" made me think of paper money (because fortune = money) so there was the possibility of it being something else.
We shouldn't lynch silverspawn tonight. No way he gives me what he gave me if he's scum.
Onwards to ashersky!
Sorry if you said this already, but why do you think ADK is town ?
Because if you don't... onwards to ADK !
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I'm here! I was warned this game was complicated, but geez, this is way over my head. I don't know why we let ADK slip away, we need to lynch him. Or PPS. But I have no idea whst to do here, this really is madness.
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That's what I thought, but again I don't get why you needed to be cryptic there. Also "fortunate" made me think of paper money (because fortune = money) so there was the possibility of it being something else.
We shouldn't lynch silverspawn tonight. No way he gives me what he gave me if he's scum.
Onwards to ashersky!
Sorry if you said this already, but why do you think ADK is town ?
Because if you don't... onwards to ADK !
ADK is not a bad pick, either. I will say he's done more town like things than ashersky.
Quick reads list from Town to scum:
PPS
Teproc
SS
Haddock
EgorK
SirMartin
gkrieg
Hydrad
ADK
ashersky
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I'm here! I was warned this game was complicated, but geez, this is way over my head. I don't know why we let ADK slip away, we need to lynch him. Or PPS. But I have no idea whst to do here, this really is madness.
What, exactly, have I done to make me even remotely a worthwhile lynch candidate?
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So last night I chose a component. If anyone targeted me last night they now hold this component (assuming no other RMM interruption, of course). This component allows the holder to name a player and should that player target the holder at night that targeting action would be blocked and the component destroyed.
I reveal this for a couple of reasons. 1) If SS got this component from me last night and passed it to Teproc it verifies my claim. I am willing to reveal the name of the component to confirm further. 2) This component could very well be in the wild right now so it could potentially block a NK or what have you. this is why I wanted mod confirmation that this component could have not had effect last night.
Next up, I will be choosing another component tonight. It's a relatively innocuous component. If I am targeted those persons will receive said component and I can confirm exactly what it is tomorrow.
Granted, this doesn't give me anything like IC status but it certainly serves to confirm my role. I suppose a bold scum could claim I sent them something other than what I claim to have chosen at which point I would say you may freely kill the scum but it would be my word vs theirs.
All that said, I'm not certain I am a great target tonight precisely because you are not going to get much (unless this thing commands some heretofore indecipherable power purpose). I can assure you that I cannot choose Wooden Meeple nor Pair of Dice.
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That's not what I got, and also I think using the name would have been better, because as is you gave free info to... well everyone I suppose.
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Right. So. Wait. We're not testing me any more?
Ugh. Make up your minds, people!
Not moving my vote right now, I'm not convinced that any of the alternatives offered so far are better than making a couple of semi-ICs.
By the way, I left this open on my PC all day so if you've wondered why I've been "online" and not posting it's because I wasn't actually online.
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I was never interested in testing your claim because this is RMM and these things can always go wrong;
Please pick someone that's actually scummy next time, thanks.
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Lynching scum is better than confirming that people,who are already townie are town, with the possible downside of it going wrong and we've actually lynched a town read.
It's a bad plan and people should feel bad.
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Vote Count 3.0 (modified)
silverspawn (3): ashersky, gkreig13, Haddock
A Drowned Kernel (3): SirMartin, Hydrad, Teproc
EgorK (1): silverspawn
ashersky (1): pingpongsam
gkreig13 (1): A Drowned Kernel
Not Voting (0):
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. D3 ends January 29th at 10:53 PM. 1 hour of bankable time has been used.
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It's a bad plan and people should feel bad.
To be fair, so is lynching me.
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Please pick someone that's actually scummy next time, thanks.
I officially have no idea what you want from me.
I went for someone I found pretty scummy on N1. You didn't like that.
So I've gone for someone last night who several people found scummy yesterday. It's not my fault that
a) You happen not to find SS scummy and
b) Some weird thing has happened that magically makes SS conf!town or something to you anyway.
So yeah my vote is staying on SS until a few more people have confirmed that they don't want to do the SS thing. On which note, Hydrad? Not heard from you in a while that I can remember.
It's a bad plan and people should feel bad.
To be fair, so is lynching me.
I'm not sure. You could be a good lynch here, to my mind. My early townread on you has definitely been dissolving lately.
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It is your fault that your reads are bad !
I much prefer your choice of silver than chairs in the sense that at least it's your choice, it just happens to be a terrible choice because silver is obvtown.
And it shouldn't just be to me. Well, it is dependent on believing me, which fair enough, but if I'm town, silverspawn is very, very likely to be.
I wasn't really saying "you made a terrible choice", more "your choice is terrible", if that makes sense.
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And I think I've been consistent about saying that lynching town to confirm your role is a bad idea, one we've wasted much time and energy on for reasons that escape me.
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It is your fault that your reads are bad !
I much prefer your choice of silver than chairs in the sense that at least it's your choice, it just happens to be a terrible choice because silver is obvtown.
I actually don't think my reads differ from yours by that much.
My N1 chairs scumread was my choice and I stand by it, pushing RR is pretty much proven to be a scummy thing to do in this game.
I don't know what you mean by saying that silver was my choice and chairs wasn't. It's closer to being the other way round.
As far as I can see the best use of my role is to target someone who I think is probably town but who is in danger of getting (mis)lynched. That's what I've done with silver.
And I think I've been consistent about saying that lynching town to confirm your role is a bad idea, one we've wasted much time and energy on for reasons that escape me.
Eh. I guess I'm up for this idea because I'm sick of people casting aspersions on my claim. Honest self-assessment? I think WW's constant nagging about my claim has left me with a bit of an egotistical need to prove myself. (Yes I know he was a traitor, but still.)
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Hm, well I don't agree with your targeting philosophy then. I'd target whoever you think is scum and will push for, because then you can argue that lynching them is less dangerous than lynching other people.
Because if you target people you think are town, well you find yourself in the situation where people are arguing in favor or lynching town just because, which, no.
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Completely agree with Teproc regardless of his alignment. Who has been pushing the haddock test? Oh yeah, ashersky and ADK (haddock himself notwithstanding)
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Completely agree with Teproc regardless of his alignment. Who has been pushing the haddock test? Oh yeah, ashersky and ADK (haddock himself notwithstanding)
What? I'm been pushing lynching Haddock, not testing him. Show me one point in this game where I was pushing that.
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Why did you vote SS, then?
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Why did you vote SS, then?
I haven't voted for silver since haddock claimed to have targeted him.
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Why did you vote SS, then?
I haven't voted for silver since haddock claimed to have targeted him.
Fair enough, why won't you join me in voting ashersky?
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we could always test Haddock by lynching him. I'd also be fine with ADK or ash.
I'm surprised there are still ten people left. It feels like there are significantly fewer
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I don't think haddock needs testing either for alignment or for claim.
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I'm here! I was warned this game was complicated, but geez, this is way over my head. I don't know why we let ADK slip away, we need to lynch him. Or PPS. But I have no idea whst to do here, this really is madness.
What, exactly, have I done to make me even remotely a worthwhile lynch candidate?
Still want an answer to this question. This came out of nowhere, makes little sense, looks lazy and feels scummy as hell.
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I'm here! I was warned this game was complicated, but geez, this is way over my head. I don't know why we let ADK slip away, we need to lynch him. Or PPS. But I have no idea whst to do here, this really is madness.
What, exactly, have I done to make me even remotely a worthwhile lynch candidate?
Still want an answer to this question. This came out of nowhere, makes little sense, looks lazy and feels scummy as hell.
OMGUS much?
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I don't think haddock needs testing either for alignment or for claim.
So you feel conf!town on him?
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I don't think haddock needs testing either for alignment or for claim.
So you feel conf!town on him?
Not conftown at all but the ideas about testing him are too little too late and don't serve town well at all. I do feel he is likely town due to the claim and how it came about and his targets he continues claiming. I'm open to arguments that the targets he has chosen are most likely town targets for scum to get easy mislynches out of us but they would have to overcome the obvious downside when he's shown to have been lying.
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I don't think haddock needs testing either for alignment or for claim.
So you feel conf!town on him?
Not conftown at all but the ideas about testing him are too little too late and don't serve town well at all. I do feel he is likely town due to the claim and how it came about and his targets he continues claiming. I'm open to arguments that the targets he has chosen are most likely town targets for scum to get easy mislynches out of us but they would have to overcome the obvious downside when he's shown to have been lying.
It's pretty easy to figure out which targets to claim with a power like that...
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I'm here! I was warned this game was complicated, but geez, this is way over my head. I don't know why we let ADK slip away, we need to lynch him. Or PPS. But I have no idea whst to do here, this really is madness.
What, exactly, have I done to make me even remotely a worthwhile lynch candidate?
Still want an answer to this question. This came out of nowhere, makes little sense, looks lazy and feels scummy as hell.
OMGUS much?
This is REALLY lazy play from you gkrieg. What happened to your epic rereads from yesterday? Just a lifesaving tactic?
PPS actually has a totally legitimate question here. SirMartin has offered no justification for this. I do kind of agree with SM that PPS has been getting a bit scummier lately, but that doesn't make him nearly as scummy as some people. I do actually need to reread him, will do this at some point.
I don't think haddock needs testing either for alignment or for claim.
So you feel conf!town on him?
Not conftown at all but the ideas about testing him are too little too late and don't serve town well at all. I do feel he is likely town due to the claim and how it came about and his targets he continues claiming. I'm open to arguments that the targets he has chosen are most likely town targets for scum to get easy mislynches out of us but they would have to overcome the obvious downside when he's shown to have been lying.
It's pretty easy to figure out which targets to claim with a power like that...
What are you even trying to say here?
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I'm reading along, but have very little to say.
Would lynch PPS or SS.
Could lynch maybe anyone else.
Won't lynch...nobody.
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I'm here! I was warned this game was complicated, but geez, this is way over my head. I don't know why we let ADK slip away, we need to lynch him. Or PPS. But I have no idea whst to do here, this really is madness.
What, exactly, have I done to make me even remotely a worthwhile lynch candidate?
Still want an answer to this question. This came out of nowhere, makes little sense, looks lazy and feels scummy as hell.
OMGUS much?
This is REALLY lazy play from you gkrieg. What happened to your epic rereads from yesterday? Just a lifesaving tactic?
PPS actually has a totally legitimate question here. SirMartin has offered no justification for this. I do kind of agree with SM that PPS has been getting a bit scummier lately, but that doesn't make him nearly as scummy as some people. I do actually need to reread him, will do this at some point.
I don't think haddock needs testing either for alignment or for claim.
So you feel conf!town on him?
Not conftown at all but the ideas about testing him are too little too late and don't serve town well at all. I do feel he is likely town due to the claim and how it came about and his targets he continues claiming. I'm open to arguments that the targets he has chosen are most likely town targets for scum to get easy mislynches out of us but they would have to overcome the obvious downside when he's shown to have been lying.
It's pretty easy to figure out which targets to claim with a power like that...
What are you even trying to say here?
It's not really lazy play. I feel like I have been one of the more active players and was trying to be funny. SirMartin is the first person to call PPS scummy in a while and his reaction is too harsh to me. I don't think it is scummy, I just think it is OMGUS. I agree that SirMartin should answer the question for two reasons. He hasn't been very active, which makes it difficult to get a read on him, and I also want to know why he finds PPS scummy.
With the second quote I'm saying that you shouldn't be given any towncred based on your targets. It would be really easy as scum to figure out who you should target and the person you target has no adverse effects and you don't have to guess anything about them. Ex. If you were to claim rolecop or roleblocker, or really any other role, it would give you towncred to have targets that can be confirmed. With your role, you can't really confirm your targets because unless they are lynched we can't know you really targeted them.
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I'm reading along, but have very little to say.
Would lynch PPS or SS.
Could lynch maybe anyone else.
Won't lynch...nobody.
Why PPS?
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Why did you vote SS, then?
I haven't voted for silver since haddock claimed to have targeted him.
Fair enough, why won't you join me in voting ashersky?
The problem is I still feel suspicious of haddock and I have decent evidence he and ash probably aren't partners
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I'm reading along, but have very little to say.
Would lynch PPS or SS.
Could lynch maybe anyone else.
Won't lynch...nobody.
Seems to be smart this game, as opposed to crazy. That's more likely to be scum!pps.
Why PPS?
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I guess the only town game I've played with him he self hammered D1
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hmm just thought of something.
Haddock when your janitored people die they don't flip with any info right?
If you janitored Sirmartin will he still not flip with info? Or is it only the person you targetted last night.
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hmm just thought of something.
Haddock when your janitored people die they don't flip with any info right?
If you janitored Sirmartin will he still not flip with info? Or is it only the person you targetted last night.
It's a one day at a time thing. So SirMartin would not get janitored and would get a full flip, regardless of alignment.
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So... What's happening in this game ?
Right, scum is stalling because were lynching their partner. Come on people, what's going on ?
People voting for silverspawn need to find a better wagon, now.
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ok thats good then. I was worried that all the people you janitored wouldn't flip and then we wouldn't know if they are scum or town kinda thing.
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So... What's happening in this game ?
Right, scum is stalling because were lynching their partner. Come on people, what's going on ?
People voting for silverspawn need to find a better wagon, now.
This. So much this.
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Yeah OK enough people have said stuff but not liked the SS thing. Looks like it ain't happening.
I'll go back to vote: ADK I guess.
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Vote Count 3.1
silverspawn (2): ashersky, gkreig13
A Drowned Kernel (4): SirMartin, Hydrad, Teproc, Haddock
EgorK (1): silverspawn
ashersky (1): pingpongsam
gkreig13 (1): A Drowned Kernel
Not Voting (1): EgorK
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. D3 ends January 29th at 10:53 PM. 2 Days and 13 hours of bankable time have been used.
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Egor, are you seriously still not voting?
You're the worst.
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So... What's happening in this game ?
Right, scum is stalling because were lynching their partner. Come on people, what's going on ?
People voting for silverspawn need to find a better wagon, now.
I still don't get why the ADK case is good enough to warrant 4 votes. If it's just based off a gut read by one person and people sheeping that gut read, they can do better as well. I want people on the wagon other than Teproc to give their reasons for voting ADK
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So... What's happening in this game ?
Right, scum is stalling because were lynching their partner. Come on people, what's going on ?
People voting for silverspawn need to find a better wagon, now.
I still don't get why the ADK case is good enough to warrant 4 votes. If it's just based off a gut read by one person and people sheeping that gut read, they can do better as well. I want people on the wagon other than Teproc to give their reasons for voting ADK
I am unable to share some of my reasons.
But one of them is his weak protection claim. I really don't buy it, and have begun to think there's no real reason why the single kill thing should imply the existence of a protective role. There are so many things that could have gone down there. So the fact that no one has counterclaimed protective doesn't actually make ADKs claim any better necessarily.
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So... What's happening in this game ?
Right, scum is stalling because were lynching their partner. Come on people, what's going on ?
People voting for silverspawn need to find a better wagon, now.
I still don't get why the ADK case is good enough to warrant 4 votes. If it's just based off a gut read by one person and people sheeping that gut read, they can do better as well. I want people on the wagon other than Teproc to give their reasons for voting ADK
It's not good enough but what is? Also, we do need to lynch someone and it looks like the most promising place that isn't a more towny player. Defending ADK is far less useful than building a usable case on someone else.
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So... What's happening in this game ?
Right, scum is stalling because were lynching their partner. Come on people, what's going on ?
People voting for silverspawn need to find a better wagon, now.
I still don't get why the ADK case is good enough to warrant 4 votes. If it's just based off a gut read by one person and people sheeping that gut read, they can do better as well. I want people on the wagon other than Teproc to give their reasons for voting ADK
It's not good enough but what is? Also, we do need to lynch someone and it looks like the most promising place that isn't a more towny player. Defending ADK is far less useful than building a usable case on someone else.
I was hoping to get some information from people. I will go back and reread Egork and Haddock after my last reread, I'm just not sure I'll get to it before tomorrow. They are my other two that I want to lynch today. I'm fine with the ADK lynch, I just want people to be more active and be accountable for it.
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Request a prod on EgorK, silverspawn, SirMartin and ashersky
gkrieg and ash seriously should not be voting silver anymore. There is no way he gives me the item he gave me if he's scum.
And before you say "well, what you're saying is exactly the reason he'd do it", nah. Wouldn't be close to worth it.
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Here. Still do not want to give any reads. Rest assured, I have them
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Here. Still do not want to give any reads. Rest assured, I have them
Are you telling me you intend to never vote this game ?
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Here. Still do not want to give any reads. Rest assured, I have them
Are you telling me you intend to never vote this game ?
Don't even answer that, because you're going to say no, and I don't do policy votes but it's going to tempt me so much.
This is bullshit. WIFOM your reads if you must, but participate in the freaking game.
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Teproc, who would be your second choice to Lynch, after me?
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Teproc, who would be your second choice to Lynch, after me?
SirMartin I guess. Looking at it, I have way too many townreads this game, you two are pretty much the only ones left in my PoE. Which means I'm likely wrong somewhere... I suspect we might be facing a two-man scumteam with two traitors, one ameritrash and one euro.
Maybe ash. But I like the symmetrical neighborizers thing, so I'm not super tempted by it either.
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So we have really weird targets this game. Hydrad's claim seems good. EgorK's claim is scummy to me. vote: EgorK
I'm back!
Sorry, busy evening.
Well, all those claims are consistent. Which actually sucks, some contradiction would have been nice.
Hydrad's targets are weird. You're aware that your thing isn't actually that Doctory, right Hydrad? I mean, someone still dies. I guess if you do it right it can be like a doctor-vig, but that's tough.
The scumwhiffing is weird. Except I think tonight they might have shot RR. Several of us were declaring him obv!town which makes him a hard mislynch. Egor killing RR is really really bad. I'm really torn here. Egor's claim interlaced with Hydrad still carries so much weight for me, it makes it so believable. But killing RR.... man, I was so convinced RR was town, it's hard for me to see the town narrative for killing RR.
PPE 1.
Once again this looks like hedging to me.
@Teproc, ADK is still seeming pretty darn townie to me. What makes you suspect him? I know you already explained it a little bit, but is it something in his meta that makes you suspect him?
Wait, hold on. You're voting for EgorK on the back of my post about him while simultaneously calling that post hedgey? That makes perfect sense.
There's been enough claiming already. You alone being skeptical doesn't make it seem necessary to me.
Yeah OK, you find me scummy, we get it. Obviously you're not claiming just because of me. But does no one else think we need more from ADK here? I mean, I've been finding you townyish for most of the game but this is weak sauce from you atm.
The tone Haddock has in this post is reminiscent of his first game as mafia.
I need to put more time into this game.
I encourage lynching ADK, we can do a lot during the night, then maybe lynch EgorK tomorrow.
I dislike the "lynch person A today, B tomorrow" line of thinking. I also don't know why you still want to lynch EgorK.
vote: SirMartin
I don't like this much. I agree that's not a good way for SirMartin to be thinking, but it's his first game, I don't think this makes him scummy.
Can someone on the ADK wagon explain the case on him?
For me, part of it was his weaksauce "I protected Teproc" softclaim. But then I kind of expected someone else to come forward with a protective claim by now. Since they haven't, I guess ADK is likely town.
So, other directions. Is it me or is PPS getting scummier lately?
Also, since noone objected to my claiming, I'll announce that I targeted silverspawn last night. Not that I thought he was particularly scummy, but a decent number of other people thought so, so I figured he'd get some scrutiny today. Hasn't gone that way, though.
PPE. I personally no longer have much interest in lynching ash.
So earlier in the day he says he thinks the lack of the protective role seems to validate ADK's claim and that he is likely town.
He also talks about claiming ss as his target. I think people are giving his claim of targets more of a pass than they should. I don't think it is hard for scum to fake claim targets that they don't ever really need to prove.
Overall it is a much worse case than I thought it would be. Which is sad. Most of his posts are pretty null to me, but all of his posts seem to have content, which is better than a lot of people today. My only question is what made you switch from thinking ADK was town to wanting to lynch him?
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How do you explain the super specific claim from scum!Haddock ?
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How do you explain the super specific claim from scum!Haddock ?
Is it so inconceivable that he has that role bug as scum?
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Fits the flavor of his game, and the name of his actions also fit great.
Basically in order to believe Haddock is scum, you have to believe scum has fully provided fake flavor claim (ie not just the name of the game), which I don't really.
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Teproc, who would be your second choice to Lynch, after me?
SirMartin I guess. Looking at it, I have way too many townreads this game, you two are pretty much the only ones left in my PoE. Which means I'm likely wrong somewhere... I suspect we might be facing a two-man scumteam with two traitors, one ameritrash and one euro.
Maybe ash. But I like the symmetrical neighborizers thing, so I'm not super tempted by it either.
I have more town reads this game than I normally do but normal is usually zero. If Teproc is scum, well, I cast that die way early but even so he still reads town loud and clear. Due to this, I also think SS is town.
Haddock, gkrieg I won't call town reads but they are on the positive side of null, let's say not in my lynch pool for today.
SirMartin, Hydrad and EgorK are firm nulls. Probably because they are hardly here. I could be convinced to policy lynch them just to get the game moving because their flips will do something. That said, I can't build a case on them because they aren't present. As such, I can't find scummy behavior.
ADK is at least active which makes me not so keen to lynch him. Initially I felt good vibes from him but that has dissipated. That said, when I'm unfairly the happening lynch candidate I'm not super inclined to play well. ADK on the other hand probably is. I think he could actually be scum but between him and ashersky I feel way more positive ashersky is scum and ashersky is absent so clearly the best lynch to me.
I really detest when the game momentum slows to the point that the best options are policy lynches for not contributing.
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Also, I am out of ammo. I have thrown the juiciest things I could out there to keep the game moving and it barely made a wave. I'm used to propelling games forward but this one is really sluggish.
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Oh, HYdrad, right. There's no reason to believe he's town right ? So taht makes a lynch pool fo three, more acceptable.
One thing about ADK that bugs me is his strong townread on me from the start. See, having a town read on me is a town!ADK trait, except the last time we played together I was scum and he specifically said in the post-game that he wouldn't let himself be fooled again. I believe ADK would have had some hesitation on townreading me, and theres been none of that this game.
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believe town!ADK* etc.
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Also, I am out of ammo. I have thrown the juiciest things I could out there to keep the game moving and it barely made a wave. I'm used to propelling games forward but this one is really sluggish.
I got what I assume is a thing from you, it hardly seems useful though.
@teproc man that was a million years ago, I don't even remember which game you're talking about.
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That's my point though. I think you'd remember if you were town. It was Musical Mafia by the way, something like, six months ago ?
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Pony Mafia Mafia, not Musical Mafia.
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Also I believe I successfully protected you last night (technically gkrieg but with redirection that works out to the same) which makes you conf!town to me.
Ppe: even longer I think. I mean I know what it is to be suspicious of people who find you townie but I hope you see that there are easy better lynches available than me.
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He also talks about claiming ss as his target. I think people are giving his claim of targets more of a pass than they should. I don't think it is hard for scum to fake claim targets that they don't ever really need to prove.
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My only question is what made you switch from thinking ADK was town to wanting to lynch him?
Welp I think I've made it clear that I'm willing to prove myself as having targeted ss. That's up to you lot.
The ADK thing was just me having time to think. At first my instinct was that there had to be someone protective role. But thinking about it for a while you realise how many ways the night could have gone down to explain things without a protective role.
Oh and your comment about my tone is pretty meaningless. Like anyone, my tone will vary based on many many factors. You're basically saying "gut read", which fine whatever, but it's not exactly strong...
PPE 7? Wow.
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It's not so much you finding me town now as it is you finding me town from the get-go with no lingering paranoia.
The fact that you're one of the few active players does make me less than enthusiastic (also I didn't like Hydrad's sheep), but we do have to lynch someone.
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Reading EgorK from today there just really isn't anything going on there. None of his posts have substance and he hasn't even voted today. Even if he is the desperado, he needs to contribute so this game keeps moving. Not posting anything at this point and not voting is really anti-town.
Of all of the lurkers, he and Hydrad seem the scummiest.
vote: EgorK
PPE. If you had successfully protected me last night, wouldn't EgorK have gotten RR's watching result showing someone else had targeted me as well?
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ADK claims to have protected me last night.
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You know, the more I think about it,
vote: Hydrad
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Hydrad mentioned.
Eh.
I think I thought the way his redirect stuff came out looked towny. I don't think scum!Hydrad even claims his redirection at all there. There must be better lynches today.
Egor, ADK, maybe still gkrieg to done extent? Probably all better imo.
PPE. A few.
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Oh the redirection. I knew there was a thing preventing me from voting HYdrad when he sheeped me.
vote: ADK
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and we are back in full circle.
I'm also fine with going egork as well slightly.
And I've been seriously considering Haddock last night. I don' really know why. I feel like if hes scum his claim is close to what hes saying but not fully.
The janitor part just really is seeming like a scum thing to me now.
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Request a prod on EgorK, silverspawn, SirMartin and ashersky
gkrieg and ash seriously should not be voting silver anymore. There is no way he gives me the item he gave me if he's scum.
And before you say "well, what you're saying is exactly the reason he'd do it", nah. Wouldn't be close to worth it.
Feel free to explain. We have no reason to believe he even gave you anything.
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I've expressed willingness to vote another player. Where my vote sits isn't that big a deal.
And you know I'll hammer literally anyone.
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We have no reason to believe he even gave you anything.
Yes you do. The only way that Teproc lies is if he's scum and I am also scum, which is extremely unlikely, since that's the whole team, at least I hope so.
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I've expressed willingness to vote another player. Where my vote sits isn't that big a deal.
And you know I'll hammer literally anyone.
So we can count this as another vote on ashersky if we need it?
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I've expressed willingness to vote another player. Where my vote sits isn't that big a deal.
And you know I'll hammer literally anyone.
So we can count this as another vote on ashersky if we need it?
You know the answer to that question without asking.
Yet another scummy point for you.
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We have no reason to believe he even gave you anything.
Yes you do. The only way that Teproc lies is if he's scum and I am also scum, which is extremely unlikely, since that's the whole team, at least I hope so.
Or he received something from your partner. Then he's town confirming scum's story without knowing it's scum's story.
That's just one of a million or more scenarios.
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sure he could be fooled. but then it's not a matter of you having "no reason to believe I gave him anything", it's a matter of you not trusting his judgement.
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I've expressed willingness to vote another player. Where my vote sits isn't that big a deal.
And you know I'll hammer literally anyone.
So we can count this as another vote on ashersky if we need it?
You know the answer to that question without asking.
Yet another scummy point for you.
You're right. Town!ashersky is willing to vote himself to prove a point whereas scum!ashersky doesn't have the wherewithall. Good job dodging the question, though. I'm interpreting the answer as, "no, because I am scum".
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Unvote
We've used a lot of our bankable time, guys. Scum is beating us at day and at night. I still like an ADK lynch, but I think we just need to get a lynch and salvage any time we have left.
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Unvote
We've used a lot of our bankable time, guys. Scum is beating us at day and at night. I still like an ADK lynch, but I think we just need to get a lynch and salvage any time we have left.
Good. Let's lynch you.
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okay vote: ash
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Unvote
We've used a lot of our bankable time, guys. Scum is beating us at day and at night. I still like an ADK lynch, but I think we just need to get a lynch and salvage any time we have left.
Weren't you voting ADK? This is a really badly timed unvote. Like, really, really bad. We need more people voting right now (ahem), not fewer.
Also, quick point. I believe there's no self voting in this game, right? So, pointless argument.
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Unvote
We've used a lot of our bankable time, guys. Scum is beating us at day and at night. I still like an ADK lynch, but I think we just need to get a lynch and salvage any time we have left.
Weren't you voting ADK? This is a really badly timed unvote. Like, really, really bad. We need more people voting right now (ahem), not fewer.
Also, quick point. I believe there's no self voting in this game, right? So, pointless argument.
I dunno I am town so I didn't read the setup.
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Also, quick point. I believe there's no self voting in this game, right? So, pointless argument.
Ha!
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Unvote
We've used a lot of our bankable time, guys. Scum is beating us at day and at night. I still like an ADK lynch, but I think we just need to get a lynch and salvage any time we have left.
Weren't you voting ADK? This is a really badly timed unvote. Like, really, really bad. We need more people voting right now (ahem), not fewer.
Also, quick point. I believe there's no self voting in this game, right? So, pointless argument.
I dunno I am town so I didn't read the setup.
Sigh. I really hope this is a joke. The implied idea is as old as the hills, and is as stupid now as it was when first conceived.
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The only kind of policy votes I do Vote: pps
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The only kind of policy votes I do Vote: pps
Policy vote pps for claiming to be townie for not reading the setup?
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The only kind of policy votes I do Vote: pps
Policy vote pps for claiming to be townie for not reading the setup?
Yes. Anyone claiming it is scummy to read one will also be within narrow scope of this exception to not policy voting
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Vote Count 3.2
silverspawn (1): ashersky
A Drowned Kernel (3): Hydrad, Haddock, Teproc
EgorK (1): gkreig13
ashersky (2): pingpongsam, silverspawn
gkreig13 (1): A Drowned Kernel
pingpongsam (1):EgorK
Not Voting (1): SirMartin
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. D3 ends January 29th at 10:53 PM. ~3 Days and 18 hours of bankable time have been used. There are ~4 days and 5 hours left of bankable time.
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Vote: ADK
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Yeah, our bankable time is just gone.
People need to lynch ADK, fast. Or come up with something better. Compromise, people.
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mh. vote: ADK mostly based on trusting Teproc
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Right. L-1 then?
Again let's not have stupid hammers, we're tight for time but ADK should still get a chance to claim.
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... it is L-1
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Yes. It is.
Sorry I'm confused, are you trying to make a point?
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I would really like not to add ADK to my recently flourishing list of "metas I thought I knew perfectly but don't", so it'd be nice if you flipped scum. Make an effort, it's not that hard.
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I guess we can wait for a claim though. Not sure who we'll have to go for if it's a convincing one, but preferably do it fast.
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Yes. It is.
Sorry I'm confused, are you trying to make a point?
i keep putting people to L-1 without noticing recently.
other than that, no.
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intent to hammer
I'll wait for a claim though
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Make an effort, it's not that hard.
Is this aimed at ADK, or who? I'm hyper confused right now. It's not like ADK can be legitimately accused of lurking...
PPE. SS ah I see, fine.
And gkrieg, cool. We seem to be getting somewhere. ADK? Come out come out wherever you are!
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I'm asking ADK to make an effort to flip scum.
Nothing confusing about that is there ?
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Right. I see. No that's not confusing. I just mistook your meaning.
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Vote: ADK
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Darn I wanted my first hammer!
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Well, here's hoping.
Dunno what I think about that hammer, will depend on the flip I guess...
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Well I'm fine with pps getting components and therefore the hammer. It would've been nice to get a claim, because we still have a little bit of time that we could've gotten a different lynch through.
It was probably good to save the time. I don't even know what timezone ADK is in, or when he is usually on.
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Well I'm fine with pps getting components and therefore the hammer. It would've been nice to get a claim, because we still have a little bit of time that we could've gotten a different lynch through.
It was probably good to save the time. I don't even know what timezone ADK is in, or when he is usually on.
This a really towny response from gkrieg. Not only wee these my thoughts as well but I was hoping the quick hammer would draw a scum response. I feel a decent chance we just lynched scum.
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Thread Locked.
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Vote Count 3.FINAL
silverspawn (1): ashersky
A Drowned Kernel (6): Hydrad, Haddock, Teproc, SirMartin, silverspawn, pingpongsam
EgorK (1): gkreig13
gkreig13 (1): A Drowned Kernel
pingpongsam (1):EgorK
Not Voting (0):
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. D3 ends January 29th at 10:53 PM. ~3 Days and 20 hours of bankable time have been used. There are 4 days and 3 hours left of bankable time.
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A Drowned Kernel has been lynched! He was Scrabble, the Encrypting Jack of All Trades!
Night 3 Start!
You have 48 hours to submit your night actions in your QTs. Day 4 will begin January 26th at 8:00 PM.
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Haddock was killed in the night. He was Clue, the Obfuscating 3-shot Bookie!
Day 4 start!
Not Voting ( 8 ): silverspawn, ashersky, Hydrad, Teproc, gkreig13, SirMartin, pingpongsam, EgorK
With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch. Day 4 will end February 2nd at 2:10 AM (7 days and 3 hours).
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Thread Unlocked!
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I guess Haddock outlived his usefullness.
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oh hey!
I love it.
Wait did I post that I think Haddock might be scum or did I just consider it. I hope I posted it then I get town points.
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also. we should probably talk about the dice and wooden meeple now. as its getting pretty close to the end of the game I'm assuming.
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and by talk I mean. Someone should give me the dice. :D
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Well, good to know I was right all along and finally was usefull. And someone really goood at protecting town from scum
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I guess Haddock outlived his usefullness.
Hmm. What?
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Well, good to know I was right all along and finally was usefull. And someone really goood at protecting town from scum
thanks! Can I claim IC again?
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I do wonder about the severe lack of nightkills. It's just strange, given we claimed our alignments.
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A Drowned Kernel (6): Hydrad, Haddock, Teproc, SirMartin, silverspawn, pingpongsam
Off wagon (3): ashersky, gkrieg13, EgorK
Here are the voters...
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Man, I think vote: PPS is the right call. That was a desperate hammer.
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vote: gkrieg
so there's prob only 1 scum left, yes? should be easy!
PPE hey he's off wagon, too!
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also. we should probably talk about the dice and wooden meeple now. as its getting pretty close to the end of the game I'm assuming.
good point.
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so... I think we probably need to claim whoever is holding which of those 2 items, because if scum holds it, we risk half of town losing if the wrong guy hammers him. I don't see any other way to coordinate it safely.
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If a component is being held by a wrong town player, he should give it to a right one today.
If a component is being held by the right town player, he should probably still give it to another right player, so scum can't steal it. Or use random.org, and keep it with a 1/5 chance or something.
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so... I think we probably need to claim whoever is holding which of those 2 items, because if scum holds it, we risk half of town losing if the wrong guy hammers him. I don't see any other way to coordinate it safely.
I think, actually, we could not do that, depending.
For example, if the Dice were given to a Euro by Ameritrash (and vice versa on the meeple), we could have the Ameritrash claim who it is before that person could get lynched. Then, there's no claiming unless required AND it's double verified. (This is assuming only one scum left alive, which makes sense.)
If the Dice/meeple were obtained via hammer/NK, that doesn't work, and anyone in that case could claim now.
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If a component is being held by a wrong town player, he should give it to a right one today.
If a component is being held by the right town player, he should probably still give it to another right player, so scum can't steal it. Or use random.org, and keep it with a 1/5 chance or something.
Also this, sort of. The first line, yes. The second, only if you have to claim having it.
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Looking at the wagon and the absolute not wanting anything to do with voting ADK I was certain ashersky and Egork were the remaining scum. Now, I'm not sure at all. I knew I'd get negative attention for the final hammer from the real scum, though.
Vote: ashersky
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Teproc did you not Paper Money Egork?
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Speaking of desperate hammers I am open to the idea that gkrieg's intent to hammer was for cred. I am less open to the idea that all remaining scum were on wagon. Assuming whoever is left is not Traitor or SK (Egork) then why would there be a double bus? No way they saw Haddock getting offed.
I know I defended Haddock quite a bit. My position is the scum tell is in those who wanted to test his claim.
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In short I am fine with lynching either Egork or ashersky today. I think we should start with ashersky. Unless night info comes out to change my position I can't imagine it changing at all.
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In short I am fine with lynching either Egork or ashersky today. I think we should start with ashersky. Unless night info comes out to change my position I can't imagine it changing at all.
Hi Awaclus.
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Speaking of desperate hammers I am open to the idea that gkrieg's intent to hammer was for cred. I am less open to the idea that all remaining scum were on wagon. Assuming whoever is left is not Traitor or SK (Egork) then why would there be a double bus? No way they saw Haddock getting offed.
I know I defended Haddock quite a bit. My position is the scum tell is in those who wanted to test his claim.
You know if anyone on f.ds would pull the double bus, it would be you.
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I gave the Paper Money to Hydrad.
I'm assuming EgorK is responsible for Haddock's death ? Great job then, I guess I'll be assuming scum has full-fledged detailed fakeclaims now. Apologies to vigs everywhere, vigs are great !
Based on ash's track record :
vote: Hydrad
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pps, how can you think EgorK is scum when he clearly vigged scum here ?
Also we should lynch ameritrash today. And forever, really.Convenient I know, but ADK and WW claimed euro right ? Makes sense to me for scum to claim 2/2 since we ended up with as many of both.
Now to figure out who that leaves...
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Ok so here's what we have on alignment
Ameritrash
- Ghacob => confirmed
- ashersky
- gkrieg13
- pingpongsam
- SirMartin
- EgorK
- Haddock => scum
Eurogames
- Awaclus => confirmed
- Roadrunner7671 => confirmed
- Teproc
- silverspawn
- Hydrad
- A Drowned Kernel => scum
- Witherweaver => scum
Sigh, not Hydrad then.
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So,my lynch pool starts at
ashersky
gkriegk13
pingpongsam
SirMartin
EgorK
Can pretty easily remove pps and EgorK, I'll leave ash in but I'm not enthusiastic about lynching him, the two others seem fine at first glance.
(ashersky)
gkrieg13
SirMartin
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Last scum is likely to have been off-wagon, so
vote: gkrieg
Ok, now that we've solved the MassMarket part of this game, I'll think about the other stuff...
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Right. Hm. I think we should massclaim.
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Also we should lynch ameritrash today. And forever, really.Convenient I know, but ADK and WW claimed euro right ? Makes sense to me for scum to claim 2/2 since we ended up with as many of both.
This doesn't work because there was a traitor, so they couldn't plan for 2 v 2.
Seems like a townslip by Teproc.
Also, I would put even odds on the third Mass Market game being either fake alignment, since they split 1 and 1.
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I'll start with a thing that's pretty important and scum know about anyway :
You know ash is a neighborizer. What you don't know is taht there is an extra vote that can be cast from that neighborhood, as long as it's not cas on one of the neighbors (ash, Hydrad and myself). Scum knows about this because ADK and Haddock were both in it.
Basically anyone in the neighborhood can cast a vote at any time, so bear that in mind around L-2/L-1.
PPE : Well I kinda think the last scum is an ameritrash traitor anyway, so...
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pps, how can you think EgorK is scum when he clearly vigged scum here ?
Egork's whole MO is explained by being a SK. That's why I said ash first.
PPE a bunch
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Right. I guess Chess or something could make sense as a serial killer, sure.
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I'll start with a thing that's pretty important and scum know about anyway :
You know ash is a neighborizer. What you don't know is taht there is an extra vote that can be cast from that neighborhood, as long as it's not cas on one of the neighbors (ash, Hydrad and myself). Scum knows about this because ADK and Haddock were both in it.
Basically anyone in the neighborhood can cast a vote at any time, so bear that in mind around L-2/L-1.
PPE : Well I kinda think the last scum is an ameritrash traitor anyway, so...
Well, okay, was there ever an extra vote cast on WW that caused him to die at L-1?
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No. I think it would show up in the vote count somehow.
WW was definitely hated.
(bookmark that one)
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Speaking of desperate hammers I am open to the idea that gkrieg's intent to hammer was for cred. I am less open to the idea that all remaining scum were on wagon. Assuming whoever is left is not Traitor or SK (Egork) then why would there be a double bus? No way they saw Haddock getting offed.
I know I defended Haddock quite a bit. My position is the scum tell is in those who wanted to test his claim.
You know if anyone on f.ds would pull the double bus, it would be you.
you know if anyone on f.ds would come right day 1 and ask everyone to claim their alignments to circumvent to scum NK obstacle, it's you. Also, the whole haddock fake claim smells like something you cooked up for him so you could get behind the mislynches it would create.
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Where is ash continuing to cast suspicion on SS and by extension, Teproc, now?
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I will admit I am tunneling right now.
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I actually think I like lynching EgorK here. I don't think we're necessarily in a hurry to finish te Mass Market off, and it covers the SK angle. Most likely he's town, but we've got mislynches to give anyway.
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Where is ash continuing to cast suspicion on SS and by extension, Teproc, now?
I'm pretty sure Teproc is town.
My top two scumreads now are you (PPS) and SS, by about a million miles of >.
From there, we have this odd blob of Sir Martin/gkrieg/EgorK.
Are we really thinking there's an SK? We know there's mafia and a third party already flipped. We think we have a 4th party?
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Actually a 5th party, given two towns.
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I actually think I like lynching EgorK here. I don't think we're necessarily in a hurry to finish te Mass Market off, and it covers the SK angle. Most likely he's town, but we've got mislynches to give anyway.
You forgot to say "in before SK hunting is scummy"
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Whatever. We're so ahead that we can afford it I think.
SK is scary because we don't know their win condition. I think lynching EgorK just in case is reasonable.
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pps and silverspawn are, like, the towniest people around, so ash is probably town.
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silver: you said you couldn't neighborize more people right ? It was just RR ?
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pps and silverspawn are, like, the towniest people around, so ash is probably town.
You really don't see PPS doing that hammer as scum? That's a CLASSIC scum!PPS move. Remember, I've been scum partners with PPS like 40 times.
You've played in games with PPS, right?
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I could be convinced to vote others over SS.
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The hammer is pretty null, of course scum!pps could do it.
pps is scum because I don't see my role being paired with a scum role. I can probably claim it too, it's pretty irrelevant at this point.
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I mean pps is town.
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I could be convinced to vote others over SS.
Well if you want to lynch a Mass Market game, I think gkrieg is pretty easily your best bet. Off-wagon ameritrash with nothing making him townie.
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I would be willing to vote gkrieg.
I still think there has to be more forthcoming from last night. Like, why no NK? Not that the question needs a direct question but at least a review of who has already claimed and what they say they did last night.
"Did anybody have their Plastic Pawns destroyed last night?" would be an awesome question to pose.
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We know Haddock was lying. Therefore it is a reasonable assumption that the people he says he targeted were town because getting them lynched increased his (and scum's) power. By extension, those that backed his plan that would mislynch those targets are most likely scum, themselves.
I recant my statement against ash on the Haddock plan because I just looked up Haddock's role and that plan is obvious without coaching.
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Haddock said he targeted SirMartin and SS. Granted, there's WIFOM in the idea of bussing his own to get the extra kill power (or whatever his reward in this setup). I mean, assuming he flipped would you want to have practically IC'd the remaining town (which increases every day)? Did he claim any other targets?
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I agree the people Haddock claims to have targeted get townier... except as I said, I kinda expect the last scum to be an ameritrash traitor, because symmetry.
Regardless, who are they ? SirMartin and silverspawn right ?
Then the people who supported the plan... was ash one of them ? I guess that's your point, that he was so he's scum. Meh.
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All of which, to me, adds up to gkrieg being the last scum, but we can lynch Egork first to exclude SK shenanigans.
vote: EgorK
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I agree the people Haddock claims to have targeted get townier... except as I said, I kinda expect the last scum to be an ameritrash traitor, because symmetry.
Regardless, who are they ? SirMartin and silverspawn right ?
Then the people who supported the plan... was ash one of them ? I guess that's your point, that he was so he's scum. Meh.
Ash and ADK were the largest proponents of testing the haddock claim. ADK flipped scum. Ash pushed SS so hard it was straight weird and I called it out days ago.
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I could be convinced to vote others over SS.
Well if you want to lynch a Mass Market game, I think gkrieg is pretty easily your best bet. Off-wagon ameritrash with nothing making him townie.
I will point out that even though I was off-wagon, I intended to hammer ADK. It was pps that stole the hammer from me.
I'll reread Haddock and ADK in light of their flips later today.
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If Teproc is scum he gets MVP this game.
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Weird inconsistent ash is town!ash.
@Gkrieg : I'm not giving townpoints for the hammer on scum anyway, so that doesn't change much. PPS is town for other reasons.
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Rereading Haddock and ADK is sensible though, people should probably do that. Me too, but later.
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I could be convinced to vote others over SS.
Well if you want to lynch a Mass Market game, I think gkrieg is pretty easily your best bet. Off-wagon ameritrash with nothing making him townie.
I will point out that even though I was off-wagon, I intended to hammer ADK. It was pps that stole the hammer from me.
I'll reread Haddock and ADK in light of their flips later today.
Right, which is more likely, scum intended to hammer for cred but inadvertently got made off wagon instead or the last remaining scum whse narrative fits what was going on stayed off wagon in hopes it wouldn't happen as fast as it did?
I don't know but I am going with the latter.
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Actually, gkrieg intended to hammer POST-CLAIM. The possible plan was to break the wagon with a good claim?
Anyway, ask yourself, which is more likely scum, the one who wanted to let scum get a claim in and stall or the one who shot him where he stood? Ash's "case" just gets flimsier.
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Oh, well wanting to hammer post-claim is even worse then,because Haddock was cearly saved by a good claim (you're welcome Haddock) which I assume all scum had, so... yeah, gkrieg is our last Mass-Market game, pretty sure.
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silver: you said you couldn't neighborize more people right ? It was just RR ?
should I really answer that?
I don't think I like lynching Egork 'just in case'. I'd rather lynch a scum read first and maybe Egork later.
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I'm worried we might lose if we lynch scum first because win conditions are weird.
I guess the answer is pretty obvious, so it means ash gets a little less townie because you are not all that symmetrical.
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I'm worried we might lose if we lynch scum first because win conditions are weird.
right. we have to find a solution to that first. But we have to do that anyway
I guess the answer is pretty obvious, so it means ash gets a little less townie because you are not all that symmetrical.
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So let's see. The issue we have is that we don't want scum to hold the component.
If scum does hold it, we want to know it.
If A gave the component to B and B gave it to C and C was killed, then A and B know that scum/Egork now holds the component.
I think the only way for the component to be in scum's hands is if scum kills everyone who's ever held it. Though, that might not actually be hard. If whoever got it at the start of the game never gave it to someone else, then all scum has to do is kill that one person. For all we know, that might have happened night 1.
Looks like we do need a massclaim, to me.
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Also, scum might just have gotten the item(s) at the start.
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So yeah. I think we should massclaim.
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I'm claimed out except for a just a tiny bit that involves Teproc. I have not seen either game winning component the entire game.
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Way to misplace your post, Tep.
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No need for actual massclaim, but I guess we can claim the game-winning items.
I don't have either.
PPE : Yeah yeah, I'm dumb. Not used to have e-mail notifications for two different RMM games.
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I think we should NOT claim game-winning items, in case scum (or someone) has stealing powers. It's still in that component giving window, after all. Who knows if scum has a redirect or something during this time.
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I think we should NOT claim game-winning items, in case scum (or someone) has stealing powers. It's still in that component giving window, after all. Who knows if scum has a redirect or something during this time.
but we do need to claim them. otherwise it can happen that scum has one of them but no-one knows, because no living town has ever heard of it.
we could wait until the component giving window is closed, though.
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I guess. But they're more likely to have that power at night, and then it's more dangerous to claim it after that window, because we can't rearrange things before lynching gkrieg for the (probable) win.
If scum has them... well we need to arrange that the right faction hammers, which... won't that be fun...
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I'd still like someone to come forward with an explanation for scum's no kill on N2 by the way.
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I'd still like someone to come forward with an explanation for scum's no kill on N2 by the way.
And last night's?
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Did anyone's Plastic Pawns get destroyed last night?
That would be a potential explanation for No Kill.
Also, if an SK killed Mass Market would Mass Market's kill go through?
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I think if we claim if we have the items all we have to do is give them to someone on the other side. Then scum won't be able to steal them super easy.
And even if they could its not really helping scum to much to steal one of the items. Its more just making one side of town annoyed and possibly lose but It doesn't really help scum.
And at that point if it does disappear you can just have the teams item that disappeared have one of them hammer everyone until we hit scum and they get the item back.
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Vote: EgorK
Teproc makes sense. I am null when it comes to mass claiming.
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Or we can agree I'll target ameritrash at night and either hit scum or die trying
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Interesting idea. We might want to no lynch today actually. I guess we have to wait for components stuff to resolve to really discuss things.
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Since we're kinda killing time here, I've gotta ask : EgorK, what compelled you to shoot Haddock ? He was on-wagon !
Not that I mind, because you were right, but I wouldn't have done it in a million years.
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I am in favor of mass claim if for no other reason than to hear what EgorK and ashersky come up with.
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Egork has already claimed. He's Bang, the Desperado... something ? I don't remember the specifics, but he's a desperado when targeting ameritrash, a vig when targeting eurogames I believe.
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Doing a Haddock reread, but I have people coming over so I'll stop when they do.
Not a good idea. My alignment does not guarantee pps', and he doesn't seem all that sure aboutmy alignment ether, so you don't get two ICs for the price of one.
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I need to think things through, this seems like an interesting power to have around at the very least, also very specific so not a fakeclaim. Trying to see what the scum role would be that scum!Haddock would elaborate on to get this.
This was the most interesting part of D1. Haddock claims and is at L-1, Teproc unvotes saying that scum would not have specific fakeclaims. His unvote at L-1 is very scummy, especially considering the defending of Haddock he did on the days after that.
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Since we're kinda killing time here, I've gotta ask : EgorK, what compelled you to shoot Haddock ? He was on-wagon !
Not that I mind, because you were right, but I wouldn't have done it in a million years.
I never believed his claim since the start. Correct question is why I had not done this N2, answer is I had little sleep at the time
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So I'm just going to claim since if we lynch one more scum the game might be over and no one would win or something. (which i'm kinda ok with because I think thats hilarious)
Anyways I have the meeple. And I'm not going to give it over until either a euro has the dice or someone is going to give it to a euro. I don't even really care which one as I trust SS and teproc pretty decently right now.
I'm either going to keep it tonight or give it to one of them unless someone will give the dice to us.
We have a day until the trading ends.
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If you don't pass the Meeple to an Ameritrash player, you'll be forcing all Ameritrash to vote no lynch or vote you.
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So I'm just going to claim since if we lynch one more scum the game might be over and no one would win or something. (which i'm kinda ok with because I think thats hilarious)
Anyways I have the meeple. And I'm not going to give it over until either a euro has the dice or someone is going to give it to a euro. I don't even really care which one as I trust SS and teproc pretty decently right now.
I'm either going to keep it tonight or give it to one of them unless someone will give the dice to us.
We have a day until the trading ends.
I am curious how you came into possession of said component.
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Doing a Haddock reread, but I have people coming over so I'll stop when they do.
Not a good idea. My alignment does not guarantee pps', and he doesn't seem all that sure aboutmy alignment ether, so you don't get two ICs for the price of one.
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I need to think things through, this seems like an interesting power to have around at the very least, also very specific so not a fakeclaim. Trying to see what the scum role would be that scum!Haddock would elaborate on to get this.
This was the most interesting part of D1. Haddock claims and is at L-1, Teproc unvotes saying that scum would not have specific fakeclaims. His unvote at L-1 is very scummy, especially considering the defending of Haddock he did on the days after that.
I keep mulling over the idea that Teproc might be scum. That said, I know I am town and I had almost exactly the same reaction to Haddock. I don't think I was voting him, ever, though. I have probably been his most staunch defender over the game arc.
I think Hydrad's Meeple claim is hugely towny.
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Is the 72 hour window a deadline or a trigger? I've tried to pass a component since the very start of today with no mod confirmation that it was done. Considering a day blockade or something.
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Is the 72 hour window a deadline or a trigger? I've tried to pass a component since the very start of today with no mod confirmation that it was done. Considering a day blockade or something.
I think it's a trigger, but I also thought it was a deadline first.
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If you read it, it is extremely clear that it is a window. All components pass at the closure of the window OR a lynch, whichever comes first.
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If you read it, it is extremely clear that it is a window. All components pass at the closure of the window OR a lynch, whichever comes first.
So, it's both. The passing doesn't happen till the window closes.
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Teproc had mentioned being comfortable full claiming. I am curious about our linked bit. If he feels it is not detrimental at this point to reveal what has been up I would like to hear it because if he is scum I have been enabling the heck out of him. The key info I have for him today is getting passed in a component, so if I doubt his claim I'd prefer not to send it to him.
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I'll add I have theory on his possible scum power that adds up to how the game has played out.
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I'll add I have theory on his possible scum power that adds up to how the game has played out.
I'd be interested in hearing this. I have a strong town read on Teproc, which kind of scares me.
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I'll add I have theory on his possible scum power that adds up to how the game has played out.
I'd be interested in hearing this. I have a strong town read on Teproc, which kind of scares me.
Yeah, I'm just considering all the angles.
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If Hydrad doesn't give us the meeple, wouldn't Euro hammer?
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For today with what we know:
Scum holds Pair of Dice, Ameritrash holds the Meeple, Ameritrash hammers Scum = Stalemate
Ameritrash holds the Meeple, Euro holds Pair of Dice, Scum dies = Stalemate
I think we can all agree we won't to avoid either of the above scenarios.
We need to know if Euro holds Pair of Dice. If no claim comes forth we must assume Scum holds that component. Ameritrash hammering scum wins Ameritrash the game at Euro's loss unless they pass the Meeple. Euro hammering for Pair of Dice just Stalemates us all. Speaking on behalf of Ameritrash I think we would be happy to swap the Meeple for the Pair of dice before we go about killing us some scum. If scum gets one of the known holders at night we know which component needs to be hammered for and can coordinate the hammer. Problems arise if Scum gets 2 nights to procure both components. So, if scum currently holds the Pair of Dice and gets the Meeple tonight it's bad news and town will be infighting for the hammer.
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I interpret Hydrad's last line as it would be bad for us to pass the Meeple until we at least get claims all round that no one is holding the Dice.
Also, we don't know who scum is so this talk of hammering with certainty needs to be disposed of and plans made for the uncertainties.
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I meant SirMartin speaking about Hydrad.
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Did some rereading on Haddock. Looking at early interactions with ADK I get a feel for how he is working with a known partner (WW thing was not known).
I see the same sort of interaction with Teproc, ashersky and EgorK.
Egork has been ugly to him since the claim and as far as we know killed him last night. Doesn't mean he isn't SKum, though.
Teproc was in my camp that claim wasn't fishy but was extremely opposed to testing which I find being a very hard to play angle for a scum partner. That said, I don't know what Teproc is and does so maybe it does make sense. Teproc disagreed with me early on about scum having provided fakeclaims which it looks like was the case. I don't know, murky and grasping at straws to make it scummy.
ashersky, otoh, looks like probable scum partner especially since he repeatedly pushed for the SS mislynch that would have enabled Haddock and used the Haddock lie as his basis for pressing that lynch.
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For today with what we know:
Scum holds Pair of Dice, Ameritrash holds the Meeple, Ameritrash hammers Scum = Stalemate
Ameritrash holds the Meeple, Euro holds Pair of Dice, Scum dies = Stalemate
I think we can all agree we won't to avoid either of the above scenarios.
We need to know if Euro holds Pair of Dice. If no claim comes forth we must assume Scum holds that component. Ameritrash hammering scum wins Ameritrash the game at Euro's loss unless they pass the Meeple. Euro hammering for Pair of Dice just Stalemates us all. Speaking on behalf of Ameritrash I think we would be happy to swap the Meeple for the Pair of dice before we go about killing us some scum. If scum gets one of the known holders at night we know which component needs to be hammered for and can coordinate the hammer. Problems arise if Scum gets 2 nights to procure both components. So, if scum currently holds the Pair of Dice and gets the Meeple tonight it's bad news and town will be infighting for the hammer.
It could also be that the pair of dice isn't held by anyone yet. Maybe someone has to make it?
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Yeah, Hydrad never did answer how he came into possession of Meeple. My guess is the the origination and/or creation of each component causes it to begin within the opposite town faction.
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It just appeared to me the night we lynched WW. So I don't know how I got it either.
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Although if scum had it I guess what I might do is give it to an Ameritrash and just have euro hammering.
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So if scum somehow gets both items, then whichever faction hammers wins, and the other loses. that's kind of retarded.
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uww yeah claiming is actually a lot more dangerous than I realized.
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but it's also necessary.
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It just appeared to me the night we lynched WW. So I don't know how I got it either.
Who hammered WW?
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looks like teproc hammered
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Hello?
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Hello?
Hi. I would urge everyone to reread Teproc. His interactions with Haddock look very scummy.
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Hello?
Hi. I would urge everyone to reread Teproc. His interactions with Haddock look very scummy.
Agreed, but I already did the reread and posted this analysis earlier. I'm just wishing someone else would play the game with us.
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Hello?
Hi. I would urge everyone to reread Teproc. His interactions with Haddock look very scummy.
One has to ask why scum!Teproc would not have ever gotten behind Haddock's fake claim. Sure, it's WIFOM but it is a stretch, in my mind, that he held against that for the cred for when it finally went bust. He's probably smart enough to play that long of a game, though.
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vote: Teproc
Hello?
Hi. I would urge everyone to reread Teproc. His interactions with Haddock look very scummy.
One has to ask why scum!Teproc would not have ever gotten behind Haddock's fake claim. Sure, it's WIFOM but it is a stretch, in my mind, that he held against that for the cred for when it finally went bust. He's probably smart enough to play that long of a game, though.
I don't understand you here
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Teproc was emphatically against testing Haddock's claim by lynching any of his claimed targets. That is the most obvious thing Haddock's scum partners would have done. Hence my vote on ashersky. The WIFOM bit is that Teproc could have played antagonist to the plan while ADK played protagonist tot he plan (as he did) so that when/if the ruse was shown for what it was Teproc could be credited towny for not ever supporting it.
I should point out that I was the only other person I am certain was never in favor of testing Haddock's claim so I could just be projecting my own scum methods onto poor Teproc, right?
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Teproc was emphatically against testing Haddock's claim by lynching any of his claimed targets. That is the most obvious thing Haddock's scum partners would have done. Hence my vote on ashersky. The WIFOM bit is that Teproc could have played antagonist to the plan while ADK played protagonist tot he plan (as he did) so that when/if the ruse was shown for what it was Teproc could be credited towny for not ever supporting it.
I should point out that I was the only other person I am certain was never in favor of testing Haddock's claim so I could just be projecting my own scum methods onto poor Teproc, right?
Ya looking at his actual role name, it doesn't seem he would've been able to resurrect the person that was lynched. So it seems like his scum partners would have been against lynching his targets. The bookie part of his role sounds like scum would've gotten a boost if we had lynched one of the people he had said he had chosen, so maybe there would be one for lynching / one against.
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Vote Count 4.0
pingpongsam (1): ashersky
gkreig (1): silverspawn
ashersky (1): pingpongsam
EgorK (1): SirMartin
Teproc (1): gkreig13
Not Voting (3): Hydrad, EgorK, Teproc
With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch. Bankable time ends in ~6 hours. Day 4 will end February 2nd at 2:10 AM (7 days and 3 hours).
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Wow, what vote diffusion.
I get all the votes except SS on gkreig. I think something about him being off wagon.
So, no forthcoming night info and no mention of the pair of dice.
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Vote: gkrieg
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I get it, Vote: gkreig
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Dang, I had been spelling his name right all along but decided I was doing it wrong when I saw the spelling in the vote count.
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SS put me in his QT. He can do his thing more than once.
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Vote Count 4.1
pingpongsam (1): ashersky
gkrieg (3): silverspawn, Hydrad, pingpongsam
ashersky (1): pingpongsam
EgorK (1): SirMartin
Teproc (1): gkrieg13
Not Voting (2): EgorK, Teproc
With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch. Bankable time has begun with 20 minutes elapsed. Day 4 will end February 2nd at 2:10 AM (~4 days and 3 hours).
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SS put me in his QT. He can do his thing more than once.
This is confirmation SS lied, right?
vote: SS
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No, it isn't.
vote: gkrieg
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Didn't realize that was L-1. Fine with it though.
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People voting for eurogames should unvote. As well as those voting for ash. Or EgorK.
Really people should just be voting gkrieg, PoE is pretty overwhelming against him if nothing else.
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vote: gkrieg
Definitely possible.
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SS put me in his QT. He can do his thing more than once.
I can do this as often as I want, but why do you think claiming this is a good idea?
So gkrieg presumably holds the pair of dice. That means we need euro to hammer him.
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SS put me in his QT. He can do his thing more than once.
I can do this as often as I want, but why do you think claiming this is a good idea?
So gkrieg presumably holds the pair of dice. That means we need euro to hammer him.
I hammered him, and I'm Ameritrash.
Also, what makes you think he has the dice?
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SS put me in his QT. He can do his thing more than once.
I can do this as often as I want, but why do you think claiming this is a good idea?
So gkrieg presumably holds the pair of dice. That means we need euro to hammer him.
I hammered him, and I'm Ameritrash.
Also, what makes you think he has the dice?
because no-one claimed to hold it, so if gkrieg is scum, he must have gotten it
didn't you just make all of us lose?
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SS put me in his QT. He can do his thing more than once.
I can do this as often as I want, but why do you think claiming this is a good idea?
So gkrieg presumably holds the pair of dice. That means we need euro to hammer him.
I hammered him, and I'm Ameritrash.
Also, what makes you think he has the dice?
because no-one claimed to hold it, so if gkrieg is scum, he must have gotten it
didn't you just make all of us lose?
No, I did not.
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all of us = all of Euro
why not?
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My win con says that I win if all scum are dead, amerthing is not holding pair of dice. what it means is, if at the point of the last mass market dying, amerthing is not holding pair of dice.
you said you're amerthing. if gkrieg is scum and holds the pair of dice, amerthing will hold pair of dice at the point that all scum are dead. therefore we lose.
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I sincerely hope that this isn't what just happened.
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is it?
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is it?
We either all just won, or we mislynched.
Nope. Of this I'm positive.
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is it?
We either all just won, or we mislynched.
Nope. Of this I'm positive.
How do we all win? the item gets passed onto the person who hammers the last scum. that's the whole problem.
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Im sad no one believed me. Good luck guys!
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Im sad no one believed me. Good luck guys!
If you summarize your reads it may help town
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Im sad no one believed me. Good luck guys!
If you summarize your reads it may help town
Well I think you're an SK and Teproc seems most likely to me to be the last scum
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Alright, let's say you're town : you should consider claiming your night actions if there's a benefit in that somewhere.
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Thread Locked.
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Vote Count 4.FINAL
pingpongsam (1): ashersky
gkrieg (5): silverspawn, Hydrad, pingpongsam, Teproc, ashersky
ashersky (1): pingpongsam
EgorK (1): SirMartin
Teproc (1): gkrieg13
Not Voting (2): EgorK, Teproc
With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch. Bankable time has begun with 20 minutes elapsed. Day 4 will end February 2nd at 2:10 AM (~4 days and 3 hours).
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gkrieg13 has been lynched. He was Monopoly, the Paper Money Enabling Even-Night Jailkeeper!
A win condition has been met! Well, two of them.
Euro and Ameritrash games win!
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Yay.
But also boo.
As you'll see in my QT, I was... befuddled by all the "let's have everyone win" sentiment. I was really hoping for Hydrad double-crossing ash, though the fact that there was a majority of ameritrashers would have made that a bit risky.
Oh yeah, you'll see in the neighborhood that ash, Hydrad and myself dealt with the game winning components. ash got th Meeple from Hydrad, I got the dice from ash.
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Yay.
But also boo.
As you'll see in my QT, I was... befuddled by all the "let's have everyone win" sentiment. I was really hoping for Hydrad double-crossing ash, though the fact that there was a majority of ameritrashers would have made that a bit risky.
Oh yeah, you'll see in the neighborhood that ash, Hydrad and myself dealt with the game winning components. ash got th Meeple from Hydrad, I got the dice from ash.
That's what I figured had happened. That was a rough last couple of days
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That was still probably my best scum game to date. Bad night actions, but it was pretty good overall
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You were unfortunately very very caught by PoE. I was your greatest ally, really, as the scenario I was hoping for could have resulted in enough town confusion to put you back in the game, but losing ADK and Haddock in one fell swoop was pretty insane. Still can't believe EgorK took that shot.
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All QTs for the game: http://quicktopic.com/share?s=Gy2jAYnx69Nhk
Game Actions
N0
pingpongsam chooses Miniatures
ashersky forms alliance with Teproc
Haddock accuses EgorK
Silverspawn elects Roadrunner
D1
None.
N1
Teproc places a follower on silverspawn
Ashersky forms an alliance with ADK
Roadrunner Watches Hydrad (sent to ashersky)
Haddock accuses Haddock
pingpongsam splays up chairs
pingpongsam chooses paper and pencil
Hydrad deflects Haddock to Awaclus
EgorK kills Haddock
gkreig kills silverspawn (Euro)
silverspawn uses Card Sleeves
ADK uses COP on PPS
Awaclus Component Cops PPS
-results-
ADK receives neighborhood invitation
ADK receives Role Cop results "Reflexive Inventor"
ADK receives Paper and Pencil Component
ashersky receives Watcher results (no one)
Awaclus dies
SirMartin gains Splayed Up status
silverspawn gains Followed status
Awaclus gains, and then loses Paper and Pencil Component
Awaclus receives "No Components" as his answer
EgorK receives Paper and Pencil Component
D2
gkrieg gives Paper Money to Teproc
N2
RR watches Teproc
Ashersky forms an alliance with Haddock
PPS splays EgorK up
Hydrad, with the Meeple, targets Teproc, then gkrieg
Silverspawn uses card sleeves (commutes)
ADK steals from Teproc
Haddock kills RR
gkrieg sends egorK to jail
egorK targets RR
sirMartin tracks ADK, sees he targed gkrieg
-results-
EgorK gets watcher results "ADK targeted your target"
EgorK is splayed up
RR Dies
ADK gets nothing
Haddock is added to the QT
SirMartin gets told "Your target targetted gkreig13"
D3
Teproc gives paper money to Hydrad
Silverspawn gives Card Sleeves to Teproc
N3
Pingpongsam chooses Paper and Pencil
Pingpongsam splays up Hydrad
Teproc uses Card Sleeves
Haddock kills Teproc(Euro)
SirMartin Tracks silverspawn
EgorK kills Haddock
silverspawn mentors SirMartin
ashersky invites Hydrad
-results-
Haddock Dies
Hydrad receives ashersky's QT invite
Sir Martin recieves "Sir Martin" as his results
Sir Martin recieves invite to silverspawn's QT
D4
ashersky gives Pair of Dice to Teproc
pingpongsam gives Paper and Pencil to Teproc
Hydrad gives Paper Money to pingpongsam
Hydrad gives Wooden Meeple to ashersky
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You were unfortunately very very caught by PoE. I was your greatest ally, really, as the scenario I was hoping for could have resulted in enough town confusion to put you back in the game, but losing ADK and Haddock in one fell swoop was pretty insane. Still can't believe EgorK took that shot.
Ya I didn't want to go for EgorK because I didn't want to be SK hunting. Your interaction with Haddock did look very scummy. I was trying to get a Haddock lynch earlier than later so I could bring it up and hopefully get a mislynch on you, but it never really worked out.
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You were unfortunately very very caught by PoE. I was your greatest ally, really, as the scenario I was hoping for could have resulted in enough town confusion to put you back in the game, but losing ADK and Haddock in one fell swoop was pretty insane. Still can't believe EgorK took that shot.
Mass Market games were totally on track to win this until the weird ADK lynch and the EgorK sniping Haddock.
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Roles are in each individuals QTs. May post them all at once here in a little bit.
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ADK lynch wasn't weird, I'm just great at catching scum!ADK. Well.. I'm great at catching town!ADK, more accurately. Was a bit surprised by how people were convinced by that simple argument though.
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ADK lynch wasn't weird, I'm just great at catching scum!ADK. Well.. I'm great at catching town!ADK, more accurately. Was a bit surprised by how people were convinced by that simple argument though.
Huh. Trying to be as unbiased as possible, I thought ADK was really towny and just thought the sudden wagon on him was really strange.
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Those card sleeves did some work.
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Won and alive. That's like second time to me, I think
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ADK lynch wasn't weird, I'm just great at catching scum!ADK. Well.. I'm great at catching town!ADK, more accurately. Was a bit surprised by how people were convinced by that simple argument though.
Huh. Trying to be as unbiased as possible, I thought ADK was really towny and just thought the sudden wagon on him was really strange.
I agree. I was very mad that people were just sheeping Teproc without making any efforts on their own.
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I also totally didn't anticipate WW being a traitor.
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I hilariously invited two scum to my QT. I was able to hold the dice all game and trade just at the right time, though, and invite the Euro that had the dice.
I had a bad read on Haddock, who I felt was towny, but all in all, did okay. Glad to win a game and be alive at the end.
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That was still probably my best scum game to date. Bad night actions, but it was pretty good overall
What? Fake claiming Masons with me isn't your best game ever?
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That was god damn brutal, guys.
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ROLE PMs
Ghacob:
Flavor Name: Dead of Winter
Role Name: Sidekick Miller
Alignment: Ameritrash Game
Win Condition: You win if, when all Mass Market games have been eliminated, an Euro game is not holding the Wooden Meeple component.
Secret Objective: You will be considered a Euro game for all intents and purposes besides your flip and Component-related interactions.
Help the Current Crisis: Each night, you may target one player. All non-Killing actions that target them will target you instead.
EgorK:
Flavor Name: Bang!
Role Name: Night Desperado
Alignment: Ameritrash Game
Win Condition: You win if, when all Mass Market games have been eliminated, an Euro game is not holding the Wooden Meeple component.
New Sheriff in Town: Each night, you may target one player. If that player is not an Ameritrash game, you will kill them (and you will receive all of their Components). Otherwise, you will kill yourself (and they will receive all of your Components). This action takes priority over all other Killing actions.
chairs/SirMartin:
Flavor Name: Robo Rally
Role Name: Programmed Tracker
Alignment: Ameritrash Game
Win Condition: You win if, when all Mass Market games have been eliminated, an Euro game is not holding the Wooden Meeple component.
Plan Movements: By the end of the first 72 hours of each Day, you may list all living players in the game (besides yourself) in your Role QT. The following night, you will target the highest listed player that is still alive. You will be told the name of any players they targeted that night. You will be told "No Result" if your action was blocked.
pingpongsam:
Flavor Name: Innovation
Role Name: Reflexive Inventor
Alignment: Ameritrash Game
Win Condition: You win if, when all Mass Market games have been eliminated, an Euro game is not holding the Wooden Meeple component.
Share Dogma: Each night (including N0), you MUST choose one of the following Components that you didn't choose the previous night. Whoever targets you at night will be given a copy of it.
...Miniatures
During the night, you may use a non-factional active power an additional time against a player that you've never targeted. If you do, this Component will be destroyed.
...Plastic Pawn.
During the night, you may name a player. If that player targets you with an active power, their action will be blocked. This Component will then be destroyed.
...Paper and Pencil
You may tell me up to 200 characters to be stored in this Component that can be read by anyone who holds it. When this Component changes possession via hammer or kill, this Component will be destroyed.
Splay Up: Each night, you may target one player. If they don't have the "Splayed Up" status, they will be given it. Your Share Dogma has no effect on any "Splayed Up" players. This power is linked with Teproc's. If they have ever targeted a "Splayed Up" player or ever do, they will receive a known benefit. They are unaware of your identity.
ashersky (Started with Pair of Dice):
Flavor Name: Cosmic Encounter
Role Name: Doublevoting Neighborizer
Alignment: Ameritrash Game
Win Condition: You win if, when all Mass Market games have been eliminated, an Euro game is not holding the Wooden Meeple component.
Form Alliance: Each night (including N0), you may target one player. They will be invited to your Alliance QT where living members can talk as much as they'd like during the day.
Be on the Offensive: While there are at least three living members of your Alliance QT, your QT will control an additional vote. This can be placed by posting Vote: [Player Name] in the Alliance QT. The vote cannot be used against any living Alliance members.
Awaclus:
Flavor Name: Acquire
Role Name: Thieving Component Cop
Alignment: Euro Game
Win Condition: You win if, when all Mass Market games have been eliminated, an Ameritrash game is not holding the Pair of Dice component.
Minority Shareholder: Every odd night (1, 3, 5, etc.), you may target one player. You will be told the names of any Components they held at the end of the night. You will be told "No Result" if your action was blocked.
Majority Shareholder: Every even night (2, 4, 6, etc.), you may target one player. If they have any Components, you will take them.
RoadRunner:
Flavor Name: 7 Wonders
Role Name: Amnesiac Watcher
Alignment: Euro Game
Win Condition: You win if, when all Mass Market games have been eliminated, an Ameritrash game is not holding the Pair of Dice component.
Track Science: Each night, you may target a player. Another player, guaranteed to survive the night, will be told the names of all players (besides yourself) that targeted your target that night. They will be told these are Watcher results, but will not be told your identity or the identity of the player you targeted. If this action is blocked, no results will be sent out.
silverspawn (Started with Card Sleeves):
Flavor Name: Through the Ages
Role Name: Captaining Mentor
Alignment: Euro Game
Win Condition: You win if, when all Mass Market games have been eliminated, an Ameritrash game is not holding the Pair of Dice component.
Elect Leader: Each night (including N0), you may target one player. If you don't have a Mentee and your target has never been your Mentee, they will become your Mentee and a QT will opened for the two of you to talk in during the day.
Propose Pact: By the end of each Day that you have a Mentee, you MUST post Target: [Player Name] in your QT. If your target does not target that player with at least one active power, all active actions they use that night will be blocked and they will no longer be your Mentee.
Hydrad:
Flavor Name: Le Havre
Role Name: Hammering Deflector
Alignment: Euro Game
Win Condition: You win if, when all Mass Market games have been eliminated, an Ameritrash game is not holding the Pair of Dice component.
Move worker: Each night, you may target one player and then another. All actions that target the first player will target the second player instead.
Final Action: The first time a Euro game is lynched during the game, the following day, if a player reaches L-1 and your vote is not already on them, your vote will be secretly moved to them and you will hammer them.
Teproc:
Flavor Name: Carcassone
Role Name: Vengeful Triggered Cop
Alignment: Euro Game
Win Condition: You win if, when all Mass Market games have been eliminated, an Ameritrash game is not holding the Pair of Dice component.
Place Follower: Each night, you may target one player. That player will be given the "Followed" status unless your action was blocked.
Complete a Feature: Another player has a power that is linked with yours. If they target a "Followed" player or if you ever give the "Follower" status to a player they have targeted, you will be told the alignment of the "Followed" player in the form of a Euro game/Not a Euro game.
Farming Bonus: When you die, for every living "Followed" player, you may name a player. Each named player will receive the investigation results for the Followed player of the night of your choosing.
Witherweaver (Started with Wooden Meeple):
Flavor Name: Settlers of Catan
Role Name: Diverting Priest/Trading Traitor
Alignment: Mass Market Game
Win Condition: You win when the majority of players alive are Mass Market games or nothing can prevent that from occurring.
Wood for Sheep: Each night, you may target one player and then another. If they don't share the same alignment, all Components held by the first target will be given to the second target and vice versa.
Move the Robber: Twice during the game, if you didn't use Wood for Sheep, you may target a player. All Killing actions that target you will be redirected to the named player.
Robber on your Hex: If you ever attempt to cast the hammering vote, it will not be counted.
The Boardgame of our Time: Even though you are a Mass Market game, you do not have access to any factional powers. You also don't know the identity of any other Mass Market games. A post from their factional QT has been posted in your Role QT. When all other Mass Market games have died, your Move the Robber will become the factional kill.
Haddock:
Flavor Name: Clue
Role Name: Obfuscating 3-shot Bookie
Alignment: Mass Market Game. Your factional QT is here: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/Lmi3vxrTdfUzR
Win Condition: You win when the majority of players alive are Mass Market games or nothing can prevent that from occurring.
Make an Accusation: You have 3 shots. Each night (including N0), you may spend a shot to target a player. If that player is lynched the following day, your team will be able to complete an additional factional kill the following night.
Confidential: Once during the game, before the first 72 hours of a Day have elapsed, you may post CONFIDENTIAL in your Role QT. If a non-Mass Market game is lynched that day, they will have their Alignment, Role Name, and Flavor Name all be hidden from the general thread and be privately posted in your Role QT. At anytime following their lynch, you may opt to bring that player back to life at the start of the following day by posting Reveal in your Role QT.
iguanaiguana/A Drowned Kernel:
Flavor Name: Scrabble
Role Name: Encrypting Jack of All Trades
Alignment: Mass Market Game. Your factional QT is here: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/Lmi3vxrTdfUzR
Win Condition: You win when the majority of players alive are Mass Market games or nothing can prevent that from occurring.
Table Talk: While you're alive, the Mass Market QT will be open during the day.
Spell:
You start the game with a certain number of letters {3 L, 3 D, 2 S, 2 A, 2 E, 2 O, 1 T, 1 U, 1 P, 1 N, 1 C}. Each night, you may spend any number of them to spell one of the following actions:
STEAL: Target one player. If no one else is trying to take Components from them with a similar action, you will take any and all Components that player has.
DUO: The following day, two lynches will occur. The result of the first won't be resolved until after the result of the second. This will be announced at the start of the day.
PULL: Target one player and then another. Any actions taken by the first player will affect the second.
SEND: Target one player. Tell me a message 500 characters or less. That message will be sent to the targeted player.
DEAD: You will be told the names of any Components held by the player who was lynched the previous day. You will be told "No Result" if this action is blocked.
COP: Target one player. You will be told their Role Name. You will be told "No Result" if your action was blocked.
STOP: Target one player. All non-Killing actions that target them will be blocked.
CON: Target one player and name a Component. If they have that Component, they must give it away the following day. If they don't, they will be unable to receive it the following Day.
gkrieg13 (Started with Paper Money):
Flavor Name: Monopoly
Role Name: Paper Money Enabling Even-Night Jailkeeper
Alignment: Mass Market Game. Your factional QT is here: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/Lmi3vxrTdfUzR
Win Condition: You win when the majority of players alive are Mass Market games or nothing can prevent that from occurring.
No One Likes Paper Money: If you die, the Paper Money component will be destroyed at the end of the following night.
Go to Jail: Each even (2, 4, 6, etc.) night, you may target one player. All actions they complete will be blocked and they will be protected from one Killing action.
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I also totally didn't anticipate WW being a traitor.
(http://i.imgur.com/lF96mlI.jpg)
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That was still probably my best scum game to date. Bad night actions, but it was pretty good overall
What? Fake claiming Masons with me isn't your best game ever?
I meant where I was read as town the most. Fake claiming Masons is on A whole different level!!
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Yay.
But also boo.
As you'll see in my QT, I was... befuddled by all the "let's have everyone win" sentiment. I was really hoping for Hydrad double-crossing ash, though the fact that there was a majority of ameritrashers would have made that a bit risky.
Oh yeah, you'll see in the neighborhood that ash, Hydrad and myself dealt with the game winning components. ash got th Meeple from Hydrad, I got the dice from ash.
I was considering this. But if ash didn't get it and gkreig wasn't the last scum. I felt like the game could potentially end up badly.
what would of happened if no one won though? a draw? I've never seen that happen.
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This was far and away my best game ever as town. I've finally figured it out so I'm probably ruined for playing scum.
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It became clear to me that gkrieg was scum by Poe and ashersky and or hydrad had the win conditions in order.
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I didn't think the ADK lynch was that weird. Egork popping Haddock was game breaking though.
Why did ashersky tunnel SS so hard? I was almost convinced he was the final scum over that. I just had a sudden moment of clarity in the end.
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ah... puh
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That is one complicated setup. I am impressed. My role was very intriguing. Congratulations to the mods.
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I liked the setup, too. I'm glad I did something right with the card sleeves.
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You were unfortunately very very caught by PoE. I was your greatest ally, really, as the scenario I was hoping for could have resulted in enough town confusion to put you back in the game, but losing ADK and Haddock in one fell swoop was pretty insane. Still can't believe EgorK took that shot.
Mass Market games were totally on track to win this until the weird ADK lynch and the EgorK sniping Haddock.
So much this.
EgorK targeting RR was pretty bad, but nonetheless I think he deserves MVP. If I'd survived the night, we were basically a mislynch away from victory thanks to my doublekill setup (I planned to target myself the next night and then intentionally get lynched).
That was god damn brutal, guys.
So much this, too. Enormously painful.
I do feel I played OK this game. I had everyone except EgorK convinced I was towny, which was good considering that I am literally ALWAYS found scummy on D1, so turning that around was nice (obviously the fakeclaim saved me there). Egor holding back his reads, much as it pissed off everyone playing, probably stopped us killing him, so good play there too.
BLEH.
How did SS survive N1? That's the main bit I don't get. Does Follower somehow protect him?
Oh Card Sleeves. Grim. Two perfectly timed uses of that; WOW.
:( :( :(
Now can someone join Cupcake Mafia please?
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Also.
In Switch, we basically agreed to not really bus each other, quote: "It doesn't do what people think it does"
I am officially completely on board with this now.
The three of us pretty much agreed to bus each other brutally right from D1. And it won us precisely zero towncred. Well, maybe I would have got towncred from being on the ADK wagon. From everyone except the one person who mattered.
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Now can someone join Cupcake Mafia please?
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I am officially completely on board with this now.
Good to know!
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Now can someone join Cupcake Mafia please?
Link?
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Now can someone join Cupcake Mafia please?
Link?
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14607.25
I tried to give you a link with a quote of /in, but it didn't work
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Here is my QT:
www.quicktopic.com/51/H/hMENRvcupXQ
I had a plan and was playing specifically differently, which I think would have made sense if I had time to claim/prove my role. Being hated kind of hurt.
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wait so why did I get the meeple from WW?
my auto lynch shouldn't have procced yet right?
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Man I was so ready with my fake claim. I will say teproc that I'm pretty sure you've "caught" me as scum when I was town at least once.
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Man I was so ready with my fake claim. I will say teproc that I'm pretty sure you've "caught" me as scum when I was town at least once.
I prefer to remember the good times.
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Man I was so ready with my fake claim. I will say teproc that I'm pretty sure you've "caught" me as scum when I was town at least once.
I prefer to remember the good times.
Haha.
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Three cheers for us. What inspired scum to kill me?
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Three cheers for us. What inspired scum to kill me?
You were practically an ic, and we also thought you might be a doctor of some kind.
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It's been long enough now that I am no longer fuming at myself and life for the result of this game.
Mixed up in that I realise I forgot to thank the mods for putting this together.
It was a properly awesome setup - even if we did get utterly wrecked! So, thanks - and sorry that all your work went into a game that ended up being pretty short. I think the setup deserved some kind of awesome suspenseful ending. :)
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Who got MVP?
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Gotta be EgorK, right ? Shooting Haddock was clearly the biggest thing that happened to make scum lose. ANd he did it twice.
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I agree.
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I agree as well
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I agree as well aswell
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I agree as well as well as well.
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That's all swell.
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I agree as well aswell
Needs more hyphens.
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Egork is the MVP!