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Title: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: AdamH on February 16, 2015, 10:35:57 am
I say a lot of things while I'm streaming Dominion. Some of them are intelligible, but as for the rest, well we have this thread. Some things are easy to understand, like calling Curses "purples", Menagerie "Menage", or Ill-Gotten Gains "IGG", but some may be a little more cryptic. I noticed in my chat people asking about "The Golden Sombrero" so I think the least I can do is to explain how it came to be.

The Golden Sombrero (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_sombrero) was originally a baseball term, given to a player when he strikes out four times in one game. It was first brought to the Dominion world by Wandering Winder (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LEwZC6dEVY) to describe a situation where both of his opening buys missed the shuffle. Since then, I've been using it to describe this particular situation and also if you opened 5/2, you open 5-cost/nothing and you don't get to see your 5-cost because it missed the shuffle.

Something else I like to do is talk about "The Full English Breakfast." This is yet another relic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7RgVFDQIJM) from my blatant fanboyism of WW. It was originally used to describe some terrible Urchin luck, but I like the idea of using it to describe the situation when you open double Silver (or Silver+Terminal Silver/Silver equivalent) and you don't hit $5 on T3 or T4. This could be due to an opponent's attack, or a Golden Sombrero, or just generic bad draws.

What other Dominion slang like this do you use? Are these things universally hated?
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: werothegreat on February 16, 2015, 10:40:55 am
I have never heard of either of these.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: AdamH on February 16, 2015, 10:41:57 am
I have never heard of either of these.

That's why I started this thread. They are "of my own creation"
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: WanderingWinder on February 16, 2015, 10:44:23 am
The Golden Sombrero I have toyed with in my mind. The Full English Breakfast is just a phrase I have floating about in my lexicon, particularly after it was the name of my favourite chess podcast. I would have to look it up to know what you mean by it in a Dominion context - I just said it randomly, as I am oft wont to do.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Kirian on February 16, 2015, 10:48:27 am
These are like the Mornington Crescent of Dominion.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Elanchana on February 16, 2015, 11:01:26 am
I affectionately use the term "Adam Horton'd" for unbelievably bad opening shuffle luck. It doesn't apply to everything, but you'll know it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6sFOdazHa8) when you see it (http://www.twitch.tv/elatalkstoherself/c/5918342).
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: qdread on February 16, 2015, 02:41:45 pm
Wasn't Full English Breakfast a MtG combo deck with Necropotence, Donate, and Illusions of Grandeur?
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Rubby on February 16, 2015, 03:37:54 pm
"Golden Sombrero" is great.

Also, a favorite (not really Dominion-specific) expression that I've picked up from you is "That's what it do."
Another (more Dominion-specific) one is "deck = drawn".

I'm a big fan of your videos/streams, but since you asked

Are these things universally hated?

I will cite a couple unfavorites: Calling VP tokens "Dukes" is like, actively hostile to the audience from an intelligibility standpoint. And, while I totally understand the desire to pay tribute to WW, the constant miscalling of Wandering Minstrel is rather grating.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: WanderingWinder on February 16, 2015, 03:42:43 pm
"Golden Sombrero" is great.

Also, a favorite (not really Dominion-specific) expression that I've picked up from you is "That's what it do."
Another (more Dominion-specific) one is "deck = drawn".

I'm a big fan of your videos/streams, but since you asked

Are these things universally hated?

I will cite a couple unfavorites: Calling VP tokens "Dukes" is like, actively hostile to the audience from an intelligibility standpoint. And, while I totally understand the desire to pay tribute to WW, the constant miscalling of Wandering Minstrel is rather grating.

I actually also don't like calling WM WanderingWinder, FWIW. Also the Dukes thing. And the Duky thing.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Elanchana on February 16, 2015, 04:52:05 pm
I'm partial to the term "veeps".
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: jaketheyak on February 16, 2015, 09:37:32 pm
I'm really struggling to get my head around the concept of naming a bad thing a "Full English Breakfast".
What part of bacon, eggs, tomatoes, mushrooms, sausages, baked beans, hash browns, toast and a cuppa suggests "bad luck" to you?
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Awaclus on February 16, 2015, 09:57:09 pm
What part of bacon, eggs, tomatoes, mushrooms, sausages, baked beans, hash browns, toast and a cuppa suggests "bad luck" to you?

The "eggs" part. I'm allergic to them.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: enfynet on February 16, 2015, 10:29:34 pm
I have never heard of either of these.

That's why I started this thread. They are "of my own creation"
I started calling Curses "purples" before I owned any cards (late 2009-early 2010?)

I never heard of Golden Sombrero even in my years of playing baseball. Guess I never struck out enough.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: jaketheyak on February 16, 2015, 11:42:23 pm
As a cricket and football (soccer) fan I also have a hard time parsing the concept of a hat-trick having a possible negative connotation.

In these sports, four-in-a-row would be called a double hat-trick.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: rspeer on February 17, 2015, 12:20:02 am
I think that calling Wandering Minstrel "WanderingWinder" is fine. I still find it mildly entertaining. Maybe I am easily amused, but I watch AdamH's videos, so you knew that!

I haven't heard AdamH call VP chips "dukes" but I imagine I would be confused and irritated by it.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: werothegreat on February 17, 2015, 12:49:20 am
Does pronouncing Duchies as "Dookies" count?
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Polk5440 on February 17, 2015, 11:58:08 am
Does pronouncing Duchies as "Dookies" count?

Yes, and falls under the "hated" category.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: SCSN on February 17, 2015, 05:10:59 pm
I'm really struggling to get my head around the concept of naming a bad thing a "Full English Breakfast".
What part of bacon, eggs, tomatoes, mushrooms, sausages, baked beans, hash browns, toast and a cuppa suggests "bad luck" to you?

I guess the "bad luck" comes after consuming all that first thing in the morning while not being used to it. Unless you like spending the rest of the day on the toilet, that is ;)
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on February 17, 2015, 05:17:39 pm
As a cricket and football (soccer) fan I also have a hard time parsing the concept of a hat-trick having a possible negative connotation.

In these sports, four-in-a-row would be called a double hat-trick.
That would explain a lot of things, as doubling 3 is obviously 4.  No wonder cricket is hard to fathom.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: SCSN on February 17, 2015, 05:28:18 pm
As for the thread, I suggest you scrap all of that nonsense. You're entertaining enough being your spontaneous self to not need such gimmicks, which only end up detracting from it.

Like these Dookie and WW things, assuming those were funny in the first place, the more you repeat them the lamer they become. It's like a professor making a joke in the first class of the year and you find yourself thinking "hey, that's kinda funny, not half-bad for such a dry-looking guy!" But when you catch him saying the exact same thing next year you suddenly think "holy shit, he actually scripted that and probably things it's the most hilarious thing ever, geez..."

For something to have potential as a cool running joke it must lend itself to creative variations in new contexts, whereas calling something Dookie or WW is always the exact same thing.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: ashersky on February 17, 2015, 06:08:34 pm
For something to have potential as a cool running joke it must lend itself to creative variations in new contexts, whereas calling something Dookie or WW is always the exact same thing.

And yet memes continue to exist.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Deadlock39 on February 17, 2015, 06:11:39 pm
I don't really see those things a jokes. The groups I play Settlers of Catan with tend to call lumber, grain and ore "wood, wheat, and rock", but no one thinks it's funny, it's just what we say.  I mean, calling Curses "purples" isn't a joke, it's just slang.

"Dookie" is, well, a little different but it's never annoyed me. If it is a joke, it is probably an inside joke, which makes it significantly less funny for your audience, but it isn't confusing like calling VP Tokens "Dukes". 

The WW thing, I guess I see that as an homage, not a joke.  I mean, A Dominion card came out that happens to share the first half its name with one of the first guys to make Dominion Youtube videos, who also happens to be one of the best players in the world. It doesn't seem like an odd thing to me, but if the man himself isn't fond of it that is something to consider.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: jaketheyak on February 17, 2015, 06:27:39 pm
As a cricket and football (soccer) fan I also have a hard time parsing the concept of a hat-trick having a possible negative connotation.

In these sports, four-in-a-row would be called a double hat-trick.
That would explain a lot of things, as doubling 3 is obviously 4.  No wonder cricket is hard to fathom.

It's two overlapping sets of three-in-a-row.
So, if I take four wickets in the first four balls of an over: 1-2-3 is a hat-trick and 2-3-4 is also a hat-trick.

A hat-trick in itself is incredibly rare in cricket.
In the 2156 Test matches ever played since 1877, only 41 hat-tricks have been recorded. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Test_cricket_hat-tricks)
A double hat-trick has only ever occurred once in Test cricket (which is officially recorded as #8 & #9 of the 41 hat-tricks, so there have been 40 individual hat-trick instances).

So a hat-trick occurs, on average, in 1.86% of Test matches.
A double hat-trick occurs, on average, in less than 0.05% of them!
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: SCSN on February 17, 2015, 06:42:01 pm
I don't really see those things a jokes.[...]

I just want to convey to Adam that in case he thinks his streams are cool because of these things and that therefore he should do more of them, I'd think he's mistaken: his streams are cool despite these things and without them they'd be even better! Whatever label you prefer to hang around the neck of "these things" is cool with me, for a rose by any other name smells just as sweet.

For something to have potential as a cool running joke it must lend itself to creative variations in new contexts, whereas calling something Dookie or WW is always the exact same thing.

And yet memes continue to exist.

And aren't those precisely contextually inspired variations on a given theme? You might take issue with the word "creative", but I just meant something like "a deliberate effort to create something new". There's a qualitative difference between creating a new Advisor meme and saying "A = B" for the 5th time in a row, even if the Advisor meme ends up being a poor one.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Throwaway_bicycling on February 17, 2015, 07:15:25 pm
I'm really struggling to get my head around the concept of naming a bad thing a "Full English Breakfast".
What part of bacon, eggs, tomatoes, mushrooms, sausages, baked beans, hash browns, toast and a cuppa suggests "bad luck" to you?
Not sure about good luck, at least for your digestive system. Wikipedia depicts it thusly:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Englishbreakfast.jpg/512px-Englishbreakfast.jpg)
Also, is any of this +Action, or just a bunch of terminals and draw?
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Deadlock39 on February 17, 2015, 07:28:47 pm
I just want to convey to Adam that in case he thinks his streams are cool because of these things and that therefore he should do more of them, I'd think he's mistaken: his streams are cool despite these things and without them they'd be even better! Whatever label you prefer to hang around the neck of "these things" is cool with me, for a rose by any other name smells just as sweet.

Agreed, I don't think his stream is good because of the names he calls certain cards, but I don't think he is trying to make jokes, and don't personally agree that they get stale (but hey, that's just my opinion man). For me all those things are just a part of Adam's personality, and I don't think he should waste any energy trying to change something unless it is confusing (e.g. "Dukes" since it has a differing official meaning in Dominion).  If he's using the terms forcibly for show, then I'm with you on getting rid of it.  Those little things aren't where the entertainment is.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: WanderingWinder on February 17, 2015, 09:40:55 pm
To be brief, 'purples' I like - 'greening' is a thing, and I don't see this as different. I mean, it's also 'slang' to refer to 'villages', 'terminals', 'cantrips', 'engines', 'big money', 'cycling', etc etc and this is all just positive terminology to simplify things.

The other stuff, you can take it or leave it, but it's only going to be good if people can follow you, and if it's natural. If you try to force it, it doesn't really work - which is true for most 'I will apply this term to this situation' things.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: AdamH on February 17, 2015, 09:47:18 pm
So Deadlock is saying pretty much what I'd be saying here.

And I agree with SCSN too, I don't really want my stream to be "gimmicky" -- I want to experiment and try things out but there's a fine line between that and gimmicky. The core of what I want to do is play Dominion and talk about it.

If WW would rather I not use his name in vain, then of course I won't, but...

(http://mashable.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Glee1.gif)

I'm not suggesting there be more ways for me to force Dominion terms that don't make any sense, that wasn't the point of this. I think Golden Sombrero is pretty funny and I was curious to see if there were other things like it.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: WanderingWinder on February 17, 2015, 10:21:09 pm
So Deadlock is saying pretty much what I'd be saying here.

And I agree with SCSN too, I don't really want my stream to be "gimmicky" -- I want to experiment and try things out but there's a fine line between that and gimmicky. The core of what I want to do is play Dominion and talk about it.

If WW would rather I not use his name in vain, then of course I won't, but...

(http://mashable.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Glee1.gif)

I'm not suggesting there be more ways for me to force Dominion terms that don't make any sense, that wasn't the point of this. I think Golden Sombrero is pretty funny and I was curious to see if there were other things like it.

+1 for that GIF
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: jaketheyak on February 17, 2015, 10:35:49 pm
I'm really struggling to get my head around the concept of naming a bad thing a "Full English Breakfast".
What part of bacon, eggs, tomatoes, mushrooms, sausages, baked beans, hash browns, toast and a cuppa suggests "bad luck" to you?
Not sure about good luck, at least for your digestive system. Wikipedia depicts it thusly:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Englishbreakfast.jpg/512px-Englishbreakfast.jpg)
Also, is any of this +Action, or just a bunch of terminals and draw?


Mmm...
I didn't mention black pudding in my description of a Full English, partly because I don't think it's necessarily a definitive item and partly because it would have been the obvious answer to my question.
Still, IMO it's the best thing on that plate.

It is true that eating that entire plate would give a lot of people the terminal draws.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: werothegreat on February 17, 2015, 11:12:06 pm
Isn't black pudding, like, literally congealed blood?
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: jaketheyak on February 17, 2015, 11:26:30 pm
Isn't black pudding, like, literally congealed blood?

Generally speaking it is pig blood, pork fat, oats/barley and spices all rolled up to form a big fat sausage.
You generally buy them pre-cooked and then cut off slices to fry or grill (you can also buy it pre-sliced).
It is the big round black thing with white flecks near the bottom right of the picture.

It has quite a grainy, crumbly texture and I would describe the flavour as "meaty".
At no point in eating a black pudding have I ever thought it tasted or felt like eating congealed blood.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: qmech on February 18, 2015, 03:17:34 am
The thing that surprised me about black pudding is how sweet it is.

Almost all black pudding in the UK is made from reconstituted dried blood, as it's illegal to transport "wet" blood and not many producers are willing or able to set up in abattoirs.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: PitzerMike on February 18, 2015, 03:53:17 am
That breakfast looks really disgusting and unhealthy though.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: pacovf on February 18, 2015, 04:40:56 am
Man, don't bash it 'til you've tried it. A full English breakfast is bliss. Not something you can eat every day, I'll give you that.

I don't understand people that are grossed out by black pudding. Varieties of blood sausage exist all over the world, not only in ill-reputed English cuisine. And they are delicious.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: jaketheyak on February 18, 2015, 04:44:13 am
That breakfast looks really disgusting and unhealthy though.

I'm no nutritionist, but I'm pretty sure it has 10000% of your recommended daily intake of saturated fat. That's why it's so delicious!
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: dondon151 on February 18, 2015, 02:54:38 pm
Man, don't bash it 'til you've tried it. A full English breakfast is bliss. Not something you can eat every day, I'll give you that.

It would be bliss while you're in the process of eating it, but I wouldn't feel so good after eating such a large amount of fatty food.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: eHalcyon on February 18, 2015, 05:11:42 pm
+1 for that GIF

Confirmed: WW (and therefore all of f.ds) is a fan of Glee.

(I somehow stopped following it some time ago, but I'm certain that I will return to it at some point because I am a glutton for punishment like that.  Bleh.)
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: WanderingWinder on February 18, 2015, 05:32:55 pm
+1 for that GIF

Confirmed: WW (and therefore all of f.ds) is a fan of Glee.

(I somehow stopped following it some time ago, but I'm certain that I will return to it at some point because I am a glutton for punishment like that.  Bleh.)
Is that what that's from? I guess that makes sense. I was just enjoying a crying cheerleader.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: jaketheyak on February 19, 2015, 02:04:31 am
+1 for that GIF

Confirmed: WW (and therefore all of f.ds) is a fan of Glee.

(I somehow stopped following it some time ago, but I'm certain that I will return to it at some point because I am a glutton for punishment like that.  Bleh.)
Is that what that's from? I guess that makes sense. I was just enjoying a crying cheerleader.

ಠ_ಠ
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Kirian on February 19, 2015, 12:52:07 pm
Man, don't bash it 'til you've tried it. A full English breakfast is bliss. Not something you can eat every day, I'll give you that.

I don't understand people that are grossed out by black pudding. Varieties of blood sausage exist all over the world, not only in ill-reputed English cuisine. And they are delicious.

Maybe it's because blood isn't something I ever want to eat or drink?  Hell, even though it's not blood that makes it red, I won't eat rare meat.  People eat insects all over the world too, but I don't want them on my plate.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: dondon151 on February 19, 2015, 01:23:59 pm
There's not much difference between cooked blood and cooked egg.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: enfynet on February 19, 2015, 01:27:50 pm
There's not much difference between cooked blood and cooked egg.
I'm glad I read that after breakfast today.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: pacovf on February 19, 2015, 01:36:48 pm
I will amend my previous post, because it was needlessly argumentative. All food is gross, when you think about it. But food remains food. If you find some specific dish disgusting, it is not indicative of some barbaric facet of a culture, but of arbitrary restrictions of your own. The brits love black pudding but find haggis yucky, for example.

The point I was trying to make, albeit poorly, is that, AFAIK, the only country where it is frequent to be put out by blood sausages is the USA. Other than for health reasons, of course.

We are likely eating insects any time we have fruit or rice, anyway. It's better not to think too hard about what you put in your mouth (out-of-context thread, here I come) :P
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Kirian on February 19, 2015, 01:40:38 pm
There's not much difference between cooked blood and cooked egg.

I've no idea about taste differences, but chemically and physically, blood is nothing like avian amniotic fluid.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: AJD on February 19, 2015, 03:02:35 pm
The brits love black pudding but find haggis yucky, for example.

Isn't haggis eaten almost exclusively in Britain?
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Joseph2302 on February 19, 2015, 03:05:13 pm
The brits love black pudding but find haggis yucky, for example.

Isn't haggis eaten almost exclusively in Britain Scotland?
FTFY
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Kirian on February 19, 2015, 03:14:48 pm
The brits love black pudding but find haggis yucky, for example.

Isn't haggis eaten almost exclusively in Britain Scotland?
FTFY

Not sure if serious...
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: pacovf on February 19, 2015, 04:37:45 pm
Right, there is no convenient shorthand to designate English people specifically (limeys?), so I used the ambiguous "brits" in its stead. I apologize for the confusion.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: ashersky on February 19, 2015, 05:55:21 pm
I think dog meat is the perfect example for this discussion.  In many countries in Asia, it's a normal staple.  But Americans are just horrified.

Really, a dog is a cute pet, but eating one is no different than eating a pig, which can also be a cute pet.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: enfynet on February 19, 2015, 06:48:09 pm
I think dog meat is the perfect example for this discussion.  In many countries in Asia, it's a normal staple.  But Americans are just horrified.

Really, a dog is a cute pet, but eating one is no different than eating a pig, which can also be a cute pet.
As I understand it, human meat tastes quite a lot like Pork. And those most certainly don't make for cute pets.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: eHalcyon on February 19, 2015, 07:14:41 pm
Right, there is no convenient shorthand to designate English people specifically (limeys?), so I used the ambiguous "brits" in its stead. I apologize for the confusion.

How about "English"?
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Joseph2302 on February 19, 2015, 07:28:09 pm
Right, there is no convenient shorthand to designate English people specifically (limeys?), so I used the ambiguous "brits" in its stead. I apologize for the confusion.

How about "English"?
True, many people in England would use "English". However, many foreigners use England/English to refer to Britain/United Kingdom/British, which is why there's confusion.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: jaketheyak on February 19, 2015, 07:39:28 pm
Right, there is no convenient shorthand to designate English people specifically (limeys?), so I used the ambiguous "brits" in its stead. I apologize for the confusion.

How about "English"?
True, many people in England would use "English". However, many foreigners use England/English to refer to Britain/United Kingdom/British, which is why there's confusion.

There's no confusion, just incorrect usage.
You simply can't say "Brits" to mean exclusively English people, especially when that usage is categorically exclusive of Scots.
It's kind of like saying that all North Americans hate poutine.
No confusion, just wrong.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: enfynet on February 19, 2015, 07:43:01 pm
Right, there is no convenient shorthand to designate English people specifically (limeys?), so I used the ambiguous "brits" in its stead. I apologize for the confusion.

How about "English"?
True, many people in England would use "English". However, many foreigners use England/English to refer to Britain/United Kingdom/British, which is why there's confusion.

There's no confusion, just incorrect usage.
You simply can't say "Brits" to mean exclusively English people, especially when that usage is categorically exclusive of Scots.
It's kind of like saying that all North Americans hate poutine.
No confusion, just wrong.
Reminds me of a YouTube video...

http://youtu.be/rNu8XDBSn10
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Kirian on February 19, 2015, 07:56:05 pm
I came very close to posting that. <3 CGP Grey.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: pacovf on February 19, 2015, 07:58:16 pm
Right, there is no convenient shorthand to designate English people specifically (limeys?), so I used the ambiguous "brits" in its stead. I apologize for the confusion.

How about "English"?

I thought "English" was either an adjective or the language. I do my best to write grammatically correct posts, when I am not consciously doing the opposite.

EDIT: Muphry's law.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: ashersky on February 19, 2015, 08:17:36 pm
I think dog meat is the perfect example for this discussion.  In many countries in Asia, it's a normal staple.  But Americans are just horrified.

Really, a dog is a cute pet, but eating one is no different than eating a pig, which can also be a cute pet.
As I understand it, human meat tastes quite a lot like Pork. And those most certainly don't make for cute pets.

Are you saying people shouldn't eat pigs?  Or dogs?  I'm confused.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: jaketheyak on February 19, 2015, 08:49:07 pm
Right, there is no convenient shorthand to designate English people specifically (limeys?), so I used the ambiguous "brits" in its stead. I apologize for the confusion.

How about "English"?

I thought "English" was either an adjective or the language. I do my best to write grammatically correct posts, when I am not consciously doing the opposite.

EDIT: Muphry's law.

You wouldn't say someone is "an English", but "the English" is an acceptable idiomatic term to refer to English people collectively.

I have to remind myself that English isn't everyone's first language, so these things aren't necessarily as obvious as I think they are.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: jaketheyak on February 19, 2015, 08:50:10 pm
I think dog meat is the perfect example for this discussion.  In many countries in Asia, it's a normal staple.  But Americans are just horrified.

Really, a dog is a cute pet, but eating one is no different than eating a pig, which can also be a cute pet.
As I understand it, human meat tastes quite a lot like Pork. And those most certainly don't make for cute pets.

Are you saying people shouldn't eat pigs?  Or dogs?  I'm confused.

Just make sure you don't eat human meat.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Kirian on February 19, 2015, 08:59:09 pm
I think dog meat is the perfect example for this discussion.  In many countries in Asia, it's a normal staple.  But Americans are just horrified.

Really, a dog is a cute pet, but eating one is no different than eating a pig, which can also be a cute pet.
As I understand it, human meat tastes quite a lot like Pork. And those most certainly don't make for cute pets.

Are you saying people shouldn't eat pigs?  Or dogs?  I'm confused.

Just make sure you don't eat human meat.

With exceptions for suitably metaphorical definitions of "eat" and "meat."
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: pacovf on February 19, 2015, 09:11:45 pm
Seriously now though: did we reach any conclusion about whether AdamH could keep saying "full English breakfast" to designate bad luck?
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: jaketheyak on February 19, 2015, 10:17:32 pm
Seriously now though: did we reach any conclusion about whether AdamH could keep saying "full English breakfast" to designate bad luck?

I guess it's meant to mean he got hit with everything.
So I guess it makes sense (at least as much as any colourful idiomatic expression can).
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: qmech on February 20, 2015, 03:03:31 am
Reminds me of a YouTube video...

That's "a quarter of the world's land" and "a quarter of the world's people".
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: AdamH on February 20, 2015, 07:21:56 am
Wow, this thread got off-topic, didn't it! Golly gee, that never happens around here, my topic must have been simultaneously boring and provocative!
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: werothegreat on February 20, 2015, 08:38:08 am
Wow, this thread got off-topic, didn't it! Golly gee, that never happens around here, my topic must have been simultaneously boring and provocative!

Hashtag Prescriptivist.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on February 20, 2015, 02:30:25 pm
Really, a dog is a cute pet, but eating one is no different than eating a pig, which can also be a cute pet.

Except that they don't taste anything alike.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on February 20, 2015, 02:34:38 pm
Right, there is no convenient shorthand to designate English people specifically (limeys?), so I used the ambiguous "brits" in its stead. I apologize for the confusion.

How about "English"?

I thought "English" was either an adjective or the language. I do my best to write grammatically correct posts, when I am not consciously doing the opposite.

EDIT: Muphry's law.
It made me laugh.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: AndrewisFTTW on February 20, 2015, 09:17:11 pm
I call opening double silver the WW opening, just because when I was watching a lot of his videos a year or so ago it seemed like he would open double silver a lot.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: LibraryAdventurer on February 23, 2015, 12:27:44 am
Seriously now though: did we reach any conclusion about whether AdamH could keep saying "full English breakfast" to designate bad luck?

It's Ireland that has the fairies who like to give people bad luck. And a full meal fills you up, it's definitely less lucky if someone's already eaten half of it. And breakfast is at the beginning of the day, when the day is full of potential, supper is the evening meal when it's getting dark. So I say it should be half-eaten Irish supper.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Ozle on February 23, 2015, 02:17:24 pm
Right, there is no convenient shorthand to designate English people specifically (limeys?), so I used the ambiguous "brits" in its stead. I apologize for the confusion.

How about "English"?
True, many people in England would use "English". However, many foreigners use England/English to refer to Britain/United Kingdom/British, which is why there's confusion.

There's no confusion, just incorrect usage.
You simply can't say "Brits" to mean exclusively English people, especially when that usage is categorically exclusive of Scots.
It's kind of like saying that all North Americans hate poutine.
No confusion, just wrong.
Reminds me of a YouTube video...

http://youtu.be/rNu8XDBSn10

Someone should tell him the Welsh dont have a parliament, they have an 'Assembly' which is different.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: ashersky on February 23, 2015, 03:51:48 pm
Right, there is no convenient shorthand to designate English people specifically (limeys?), so I used the ambiguous "brits" in its stead. I apologize for the confusion.

How about "English"?
True, many people in England would use "English". However, many foreigners use England/English to refer to Britain/United Kingdom/British, which is why there's confusion.

There's no confusion, just incorrect usage.
You simply can't say "Brits" to mean exclusively English people, especially when that usage is categorically exclusive of Scots.
It's kind of like saying that all North Americans hate poutine.
No confusion, just wrong.
Reminds me of a YouTube video...

http://youtu.be/rNu8XDBSn10

Someone should tell him the Welsh dont have a parliament, they have an 'Assembly' which is different.

Northern Ireland, too.  Did he get that right?
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Ozle on February 23, 2015, 04:02:42 pm
Dont know about Northern Island, thats not part of UK
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: WanderingWinder on February 23, 2015, 04:15:23 pm
Dont know about Northern Island, thats not part of UK

Can't tell if trolling....
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Ozle on February 23, 2015, 04:24:56 pm
Dont know about Northern Island, thats not part of UK

Can't tell if trolling....

Of course not, the spelling was unintentional!
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Throwaway_bicycling on February 23, 2015, 07:59:38 pm
Dont know about Northern Island, thats not part of UK

Can't tell if trolling....
So about 25 years ago, one of my Irish friends once patiently explained at some party that Ulster is not part of UK, and Northern Ireland doesn't really exist. Then one of my British friends who was also at the party observed that my Irish friend could not be more wrong, only using more colorful language. And then at some point a Scottish friend noted that the other two were (and I quote) "F-ing numpties".  Only he didn't actually say "F-ing". And then things got a bit weird. As you might guess, alcohol was involved. Fortunately, it all blew over eventually, and everybody involved did eventually get a PhD, which was theoretically a happy ending.

Bottom line: I have since avoided the topic. Until right now.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Jack Rudd on February 23, 2015, 08:14:13 pm
The full name of the UK is "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", which is a reasonable pointer as to which country currently controls the six counties. I remain agnostic on which country ought to control them, and think it should be up to the Northern Irish to decide.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: jaketheyak on February 23, 2015, 08:21:30 pm
Does this topic need to be moved to RS&P?
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Joseph2302 on February 23, 2015, 08:23:25 pm
Does this topic need to be moved to RS&P?
The bit about Northern Ireland definitely does IMO.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Kirian on February 23, 2015, 11:45:16 pm
So about 25 years ago, one of my Irish friends once patiently explained at some party that Ulster is not part of UK, and Northern Ireland doesn't really exist.

Isn't that a bit like claiming that Alaska doesn't exist?  Or the Moon?
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: dondon151 on February 24, 2015, 12:54:21 am
Isn't that a bit like claiming that Alaska doesn't exist?  Or the Moon?

Or it could be like claiming that Taiwan doesn't exist. It's true depending on whom you ask, and also if you want to open a can of worms.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Ozle on February 24, 2015, 07:38:28 am
The full name of the UK is "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", which is a reasonable pointer as to which country currently controls the six counties. I remain agnostic on which country ought to control them, and think it should be up to the Northern Irish to decide.

You mean like the 1973 referendum where they voted massively to stay as it is?
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: theory on February 24, 2015, 09:06:32 am
Let's bring this slowly back on topic!
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: pacovf on February 24, 2015, 09:48:55 am
Not too quickly though, it might get scared and run away.

Adam, do you think you could include Irish Coffee into your streaming slang?
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: AdamH on February 24, 2015, 11:42:41 am
Adam, do you think you could include Irish Coffee into your streaming slang?

I'm more of a tea guy than a coffee guy, which is why I preferred the English Breakfast reference.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Ozle on February 24, 2015, 12:29:09 pm
Adam, do you think you could include Irish Coffee into your streaming slang?

I'm more of a tea guy than a coffee guy, which is why I preferred the English Breakfast reference.

What about Irish tea?

Mwuahahhaha

Wait, there's no such thing as Irish  tea is there?

Damn.


Anyway, I also think Golden Sombrero is fairly rubbish. Has nothing to do with dominion, and isn't visually similar.

These sorts of things started with cricket I expect, there is a golden duck there because the zeros look like duck eggs to the Victorians or something. (Possibly Tennis and the Oeuf reference, but that's a silly game)
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: ashersky on February 24, 2015, 03:38:31 pm
Can we use golf terms, like birdie/eagle/albatross?
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: qmech on February 24, 2015, 03:41:18 pm
Can we use golf terms, like birdie/eagle/albatross?

Yes, for buying a Province with 1/2/3 Highways in play.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Deadlock39 on February 24, 2015, 03:44:43 pm
For all the MOBA fans out there, you should call losing to a 3-pile you didn't see coming getting ganked.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: eHalcyon on February 24, 2015, 06:12:36 pm
What about Irish tea?

Mwuahahhaha

Wait, there's no such thing as Irish  tea is there?

Damn.

I thought Irish tea was just beer.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Ozle on February 24, 2015, 06:17:04 pm
For all the MOBA fans out there, you should call losing to a 3-pile you didn't see coming getting ganked.

I hope you are not insinuating that ganked came from or was popularised by MOBA there young man?
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Deadlock39 on February 24, 2015, 07:54:36 pm
I'm not insinuating anything.  I have played MOBAs. Never was interested in MMORPGs (which a brief Google search tells me is probably the origin)

Are you insinuating something about my age?
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Ozle on February 25, 2015, 06:52:45 am
I'm not insinuating anything.  I have played MOBAs. Never was interested in MMORPGs (which a brief Google search tells me is probably the origin)

Are you insinuating something about my age?

I most certainly was insinuating such a thing!

Although I do compare everyone to Galzria, and he is ancient
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: werothegreat on February 25, 2015, 10:08:07 am
I think the closest I come to a "Dominion slang" is whenever I stream, I just end up saying the names of the cards over and over again.

"Goons, goons, goons-ity goons..."
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Kirian on February 25, 2015, 10:11:57 am
For all the MOBA fans out there, you should call losing to a 3-pile you didn't see coming getting ganked.

Or instead use "ogged" for all the Netrek players.

Netrek, the original online team sport.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: tim_p on February 27, 2015, 09:58:54 pm
Wasn't Full English Breakfast a MtG combo deck with Necropotence, Donate, and Illusions of Grandeur?

I just wanted to pop in to say that deck was "Trix," part of a long tradition of naming combo decks after breakfast cereals.

The "Full English Breakfast" deck used a combo with Phyrexian Dreadnaught, Volrath's Shapeshifter, Survival of the Fittest, and Flowstone Hellion. Since it kills with a 12/12 creature, he named it in honor of the much fatter, heavier breakfast.

RE: Dominion slang, I've always been partial to the term "Piledriver." That was the Isotropic achievement for buying every single card in a pile yourself....8 Provinces, 20 Rats, etc.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: pubby on March 01, 2015, 08:05:14 am
I kinda wish there was a term for drawing Baron or Salvager with 4 coppers and no estates.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Awaclus on March 01, 2015, 08:08:00 am
I kinda wish there was a term for drawing Baron or Salvager with 4 coppers and no estates.

I kinda wish there was a term for drawing Moneylender with 3 Estates and a Silver on turn 3.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: SwitchedFromStarcraft on March 01, 2015, 11:28:53 am
I kinda wish there was a term for drawing Baron or Salvager with 4 coppers and no estates.

I kinda wish there was a term for drawing Moneylender with 3 Estates and a Silver on turn 3.
At least there is a term for your first and only action card missing turns 3 and 4: an SFS.
Title: Re: The Golden Sombrero and other Dominion Slang
Post by: Asper on March 01, 2015, 11:38:10 am
Whenever i read the term "Golden Sombrero", i feel it sounds like some euphemism adult entertainment would come up with.