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Miscellaneous => Forum Games => Mafia Game Threads => Topic started by: ashersky on March 20, 2014, 05:04:40 pm
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Welcome to Blitz Mafia 17: Battle School Mafia!
If you truly understand your enemy, that's when you can destroy him...
Setup Information (Less Pressure (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Less_Pressure))
3 Mafia Goons
3 Vanilla Townies
2 Innocent Children
Mechanics:
This game is Nightless.
This game uses a White Flag: town needs to lynch any two Mafia Goons to win.
Mafia have daytalk.
When the first Mafia Goon is lynched, they get a return kill ("vengekill") at a town player.
Innocent Children are announced at the start of the game.
Players:
1 - Jimmmmm
2 - Archetype
3 - mcmcsalot (mafia goon) - Lynched Day 1
4 - EFHW (mafia goon) - Waved the White Flag on Day 2
5 - TA - Vengekilled Day 1
6 - nkirbit (mafia goon) - Lynched Day 2
7 - Robz888
8 - Teproc
ashersky's Blitz Mafia Ruleset, with changes in RED BECAUSE RED GOES FASTER
The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments. Read The Civility Pledge (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7695.0) before signing up for this game. If you have not /pledged there, you cannot play here.
The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads.
2. If the game thread or QT is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Town night actions must be submitted by PM to the mod within 24 hours of day's end. The most recent order will always be valid. There are no nights.
5. Scum night actions must be submitted in QT within 24 hours of day's end. Any team member may submit all night actions. The most recent order(s) will always be valid. There are no nights.
6. Players must post once every 24 hours.
7. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
8. Invisible text, fonts size less than 8, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
9. Cryptography is not allowed.
10. The time between a lynch being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the lynched player.
11. Dead players may not post in thread or QT. A lynched player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may vote: no lynch if you prefer. No lynch is not an option. Most votes at deadline dies; ties are decided randomly.
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone.
The Deadlines:
1. Days will last 1 consecutive 24-hour period.
2. Nights will last two consecutive 24-hour periods. There are no nights.
3. Adjustments may be made to ensure days do not start or end on a Friday or Saturday.
The Rest:
1. Bold, maroon (or blue) text is reserved for the Mod(s). Players may not use them.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Bold all in-thread Mod questions and requests so that they don’t get missed.
6. Prods of inactive players will be issued automatically after 48 hours. A prodded player has 12 hours to respond or risks replacement. No prods, no replacements.
7. Players may request a prod after 24 hours without a post.
8. A player who has been prodded 3 times is subject to replacement without further notice.
9. In reference to 6-8, "inactive" is defined as not having posted in the game thread AND not having provided notice in the VLA Thread (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=3621.0).
10. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.
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I need a back-up mod, given timing.
I signed up the people who showed interest in the Queue thread. Please confirm you are in.
This game will start on the Monday of yuma's off-week.
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/tag at least. Don't hold the game just for me.
I am off right now and will be back on at work starting the upcoming Tuesday
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In if it starts no earlier than Sunday
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/in
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nkirbit's back!
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/in
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tag.
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Welcome to Blitz Mafia 17: Battle School Mafia!
Wait... Ender themed...? Hooray!
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What part of "I'm on a Mafia break" don't you understand???
Blitz Mafia... such fun... must resist.
/in
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yeah, this is filling up quick. With Jimmmm you only need two more if I am not around for it. So if you get two start this up w/o me and I'll try to catch the next one. No reason to make it wait for 1.5 weeks when you have 8 players ready to go. If no one else wants to then I see a reason to wait, but I think you will get a few more easy.
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Still /in
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Ash, why'd you decide to get rid of the mafia pick the ics we had last time this was run? Just curious.
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Ash, why'd you decide to get rid of the mafia pick the ics we had last time this was run? Just curious.
I am personally all for it as I think it does make the decision a little too personal...
Kind of... "who do we think would make the worst IC possible? Let's pick that guy!" Isn't really something anyone wants to hear.
So I wonder if that is the reason?
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Ash, why'd you decide to get rid of the mafia pick the ics we had last time this was run? Just curious.
I am personally all for it as I think it does make the decision a little too personal...
Kind of... "who do we think would make the worst IC possible? Let's pick that guy!" Isn't really something anyone wants to hear.
So I wonder if that is the reason?
Not that I'm really bothered either way, but I'd think the game of Mafia in general has a lot of this. Simply being left alive can be taken as an insult.
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Ash, why'd you decide to get rid of the mafia pick the ics we had last time this was run? Just curious.
I am personally all for it as I think it does make the decision a little too personal...
Kind of... "who do we think would make the worst IC possible? Let's pick that guy!" Isn't really something anyone wants to hear.
So I wonder if that is the reason?
Not that I'm really bothered either way, but I'd think the game of Mafia in general has a lot of this. Simply being left alive can be taken as an insult.
Actually if the decision is made before the game starts I see what you mean. I'm against Night 0 decisions in general.
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Ash, why'd you decide to get rid of the mafia pick the ics we had last time this was run? Just curious.
I am personally all for it as I think it does make the decision a little too personal...
Kind of... "who do we think would make the worst IC possible? Let's pick that guy!" Isn't really something anyone wants to hear.
So I wonder if that is the reason?
Not that I'm really bothered either way, but I'd think the game of Mafia in general has a lot of this. Simply being left alive can be taken as an insult.
Actually if the decision is made before the game starts I see what you mean. I'm against Night 0 decisions in general.
Well normally, anyway.
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Ash, why'd you decide to get rid of the mafia pick the ics we had last time this was run? Just curious.
I am personally all for it as I think it does make the decision a little too personal...
Kind of... "who do we think would make the worst IC possible? Let's pick that guy!" Isn't really something anyone wants to hear.
So I wonder if that is the reason?
Not that I'm really bothered either way, but I'd think the game of Mafia in general has a lot of this. Simply being left alive can be taken as an insult.
Well yes... but that is because of in-game decisions. If my reads are bad I am probably going to be left alive but that is because I am playing bad... (my fault). Whereas this is made pre-game before any actions or statements are made and is therefore completely based of reputation instead of in-game stuff.
I'll leave alive the best player in the game if I think they are going to be making mistakes down the road in the future and kill of the worst (not that we really have any players that are the "worst") if I think they are going to catch onto me.
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I didn't really think about it, I just wanted to run the original. They were just amazing games, and each change we made was always just a little bit less awesome.
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/comod?
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I don't feel as compelled to sign up for these, since I did break my streak of being in every Blitz game. Whereas I have still not yet broken my streak of playing every regular numeral game (other than the two I modded).
So yeah, I think I'll just let this pass by.
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Psych.
/In !!!!
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/comod?
Thank you!
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I may /in since Spring Break is coming up. If there is still a free spot tomorrow, I'll join.
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/in
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Can't start until Monday at least, as TA needs time. But then we need a replacement for yuma, who has a job.
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But then we need a replacement for yuma, who has a job.
unlike the rest of you layabouts!
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Can't start until Monday at least, as TA needs time. But then we need a replacement for yuma, who has a job.
Um.../in. ;)
Maybe. Next week I may be V/LA. When is this starting?
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I'm in Vienna until wednesday, but I'd hate to to miss this. :/ If you fill up, you can start without me if you promise to run another soon!
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Can't start until Monday at least, as TA needs time. But then we need a replacement for yuma, who has a job.
Um.../in. ;)
Maybe. Next week I may be V/LA. When is this starting?
Now.
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Feel free to start without me if people are free to start now!
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Okay, so we are full.
But, TA needs to wait until Monday. Eevee can't play until Wednesday. yuma can't play until (when?).
I will start when yuma's off-week starts. I think that covers everyone's VLA needs.
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Did this seriously fill up before I even got a chance to see the thread ? Man.
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Okay, so we are full.
But, TA needs to wait until Monday. Eevee can't play until Wednesday. yuma can't play until (when?).
I will start when yuma's off-week starts. I think that covers everyone's VLA needs.
I can't start until... Tuesday April 1st a long ways away. So yeah, don't wait for me, especially if Teproc is waiting in the wings. (Play this game and then open up another one after it is over and hopefully I can play that time around).
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I was also the second perso to /in in thread, not sure how that didn't get me a spot.
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I was also the second perso to /in in thread, not sure how that didn't get me a spot.
my spot is yours! But if you win, then I get half of the victory. But if you lose, then you get the full loss... deal?
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/tag
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I was also the second perso to /in in thread, not sure how that didn't get me a spot.
my spot is yours! But if you win, then I get half of the victory. But if you lose, then you get the full loss... deal?
Sounds fair to me!
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Teproc or adk or someone can have my spot
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Days are only 24 hours, right? If the game runs over the weekend that's going to be really iffy for me.
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The slower this is to start up, the less likely I am to be able to play.
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I have no idea how I missed mcmcsalot's post.
This game will start on Monday or Wednesday. I need Eevee to weigh in on how well he can play from Vienna, and I need TA to commit to playing if it starts next week.
If Voltaire can't play next week, Teproc will get that slot.
We can't start this on a Saturday, as no one is around on weekends.
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Definitely give my spot to Teproc.
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Just confirming that I'm up for replacing whoever needs to be.
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I can't do blitz from here. If you have the people, I won't be mad if you start without me earlier though!
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/tag
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I'm good to start now
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If Teproc replaces Voltaire, I'd need someone to replace Eevee to start today.
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If Teproc replaces Voltaire, I'd need someone to replace Eevee to start today.
/in
Let's get this road on the show.
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PMs sent. Game starts in 24 hours.
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Admiral A. S. Hersky stood with his hands behind his back, staring at the holoprojection against the wall of his personal operations room at the center of the International Fleet's Battle School in orbit around Earth. Counselor Ma Il Mi stood in the center of the room, watching both the scene unfolding on the screen and the tension in the Admiral's shoulders.
"Sir, are you absolutely sure they are ready for this test?" Consular Ma asked, unconsciously lowering his voice to a whisper.
"Damn it Counselor, we've gone over this!" The Admiral was quick to anger these days. "Ever since the Formics started taking our people 16 years ago, testing them in conditions like this, finding our blind spots for the evil within our midst...you've seen the losses on the front lines. We cannot have another battle over Earth. We don't have another Mazer Rackham to save us."
"I know...it's just...three of them?"
"Yes, damn it. Yes." The Admiral turned back to the screen. "You see these two, the ones they've named Twistedarcher and Archetype? They're the leaders here, the most Innocent Children on the Team. We'll have to watch how well they lead. One of them could be the one we're seeking." He reached down and pressed a green button, clicking on the intercom. At the sound of his voice, the children in the dormitory turned toward each other.
"Wolves, time to show just how good of a team you really are. Finish this test now and you're in the Battle Room tomorrow against Salmanders. We've replaced three of your team with formic implanted clones. Root them out, or die."
The admiral released the talk button and put his face in his hands.
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Day 1 begins now. It ends in 24 hours.
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PMs sent. Game starts in 24 hours.
You're late!
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I firmly claim VT.
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So our scum pool:
Jimmmmm
mcmcsalot
EFHW
nkirbit
Robz888
Teproc
I call a Robz/mcmc/EFHW team.
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Finally I don't have to worry about being lynched.
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Finally I don't have to worry about being lynched.
Tell me about it, TA.
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So our scum pool:
Jimmmmm
mcmcsalot
EFHW
nkirbit
Robz888
Teproc
I call a Robz/mcmc/EFHW team.
So it's Jimmm/Nkirbit/Teproc?
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Why do people think Arch and I were chosen as the ICs?
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Why do people think Arch and I were chosen as the ICs?
random.org
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So our scum pool:
Jimmmmm
mcmcsalot
EFHW
nkirbit
Robz888
Teproc
I call a Robz/mcmc/EFHW team.
So it's Jimmm/Nkirbit/Teproc?
Well the logical conclusion is that we would be the VTs, yes.
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TwistedArcher was fearsome in his IC role, so I would think that was not a good choice, but... I don't even know who is in this game yet.
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Not sure why everyone seems confused, but all roles were determined randomly. I am using the original blitz set-up I started in ZM4, not any of the variations.
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Vote Count 1.0:
Not Voting (8
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 1 ends at 8:15 p.m. on March 25, 2014.
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Not sure why everyone seems confused, but all roles were determined randomly. I am using the original blitz set-up I started in ZM4, not any of the variations.
I knew this....I was seeing who else knew it.
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TwistedArcher was fearsome in his IC role, so I would think that was not a good choice, but... I don't even know who is in this game yet.
Vote: Robz
You know exactly who is in this game. This is an obvious attempt for "IC status".
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I actually didn't know who was in this game, I thought yuma and Voltaire were playing, there was some difference based on when we were starting. Swear to God.
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So our scum pool:
Jimmmmm
mcmcsalot
EFHW
nkirbit
Robz888
Teproc
I call a Robz/mcmc/EFHW team.
So our scum pool:
Jimmmmm
mcmcsalot
EFHW
nkirbit
Robz888
Teproc
I call a Robz/mcmc/EFHW team.
So it's Jimmm/Nkirbit/Teproc?
So our scum pool:
Jimmmmm
mcmcsalot
EFHW
nkirbit
Robz888
Teproc
I call a Robz/mcmc/EFHW team.
So it's Jimmm/Nkirbit/Teproc?
Well the logical conclusion is that we would be the VTs, yes.
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24 hour day - that is SHORT! Usually we're not even out of RVS by then. I'm looking Jimmmmm or Robz right now for their odd comments (Jimmmmm claiming vt, Robz sayingTA would be a bad ic choice. I don't know if those comments make them scummy exactly, but they don't sit right with me. And they've done the most talking, so frequent poster bias may be going on. Who haven't we heard from? mcmc, no surprise there. Teproc, nkirbit (welcome back, btw).
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TwistedArcher was fearsome in his IC role, so I would think that was not a good choice, but... I don't even know who is in this game yet.
Vote: Robz
You know exactly who is in this game. This is an obvious attempt for "IC status".
Why do you say that?
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Oh, I just figured out Robz's comment - he thought the mafia got to pick the ICs. Now I agree completely!
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What do agree completely with?
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Now Jimmmmm's IC comment makes sense too. Guess I'm a bit slow tonight. So how do we pick a lynch in 23 or so hours?
PPE I agree TA would be a bad IC choice for mafia. I now I also see why you thought he was faking ignorance.
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Vote: EFHW
Don't like the early "Oh my, deadline is so soon, what can we do to get a lynch by then!" as opposed to trying to do something to push the game forward.
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Give me a minute! I'm on phone, so I type slow (and that also explains all the typos). I'm going to bed soon, so I'll put down vote: mcmc for now, since there's no point in lurking through a true blitz game, and he has lurked thru pretty much all his recent games.
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TA I know you are IC and all, but maybe you can give me more than 15 minutes before you decide I'm slacking off.
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The problem with ICs is you can't OMGUS vote them :P.
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Oh, I just figured out Robz's comment - he thought the mafia got to pick the ICs. Now I agree completely!
I was actually just talking about his claim that he didn't know who was in the game. A full third of the posts up to then contained the entire non-IC player list. Seems like something he planned to say before the game started.
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Yeah, well I can't prove it, but my eyes sort of just jumped around the page, and I didn't read any of that.
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Hi everyone, here and off to bed I'll be around most all of tomorow(class from 8-2)
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Hi everyone!
Robz's intro here reminds me of his intro in Mean Girls:
I didn't even realize the scum were picking their partners. Fascinating.
Well, I'm not surprised I wasn't picked. Everyone always assumes I'm scum--who would want me on their team?
He turned out to be town in that game (hidden IC).
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Vote Count 1.1:
Robz888 (1): Jimmmmm
EFHW (1): TA
mcmcsalot (1): EFHW
Not Voting (5
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 1 ends at 8:15 p.m. on March 25, 2014.
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Vote: Robz888
He should have had time to see that I replied 'random.org' to Twistedarcher's post. I feel like he went on posting to gain IC status.
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Hmm, just remembered why I struggle with Blitz games. It's now about 4pm for me, but 1am forum time, so while it's a prime time for me to be online, everyone else will be asleep. Deadlines around 11am for me, so I should be online at least a couple of hours before then.
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Hey everyone !
I don't get much out of the Jimmm/Robz thing, just some confusion about the setup because the last time it was played here, there was tweak to it.
If Robz was trying to get IC status, we'd know about it.
I do find EFHW's entrance scummy though. Commenting on how short the deadline is sets her up for a vote on mcmc for having a lurker meta, which is not even really true (he didn't lurk in Super Mario and Chocolate). And even if it was, how is that a reason to vote for someone ? Talk about presumption of innocence !
vote: EFHW
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Hey everyone !
I don't get much out of the Jimmm/Robz thing, just some confusion about the setup because the last time it was played here, there was tweak to it.
If Robz was trying to get IC status, we'd know about it.
I do find EFHW's entrance scummy though. Commenting on how short the deadline is sets her up for a vote on mcmc for having a lurker meta, which is not even really true (he didn't lurk in Super Mario and Chocolate). And even if it was, how is that a reason to vote for someone ? Talk about presumption of innocence !
vote: EFHW
Sometimes I use votes as communications, esp early on. Obviously I have no idea if he is scum or not. I wasn't in those games, so mb I'm wrong about him. In any case, I wouldn't let my vote go to lynch on this basis unless he was actually lurking in this game. I am more serious than usual about LALL, though, since this is blitz.
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Hey everyone !
I don't get much out of the Jimmm/Robz thing, just some confusion about the setup because the last time it was played here, there was tweak to it.
If Robz was trying to get IC status, we'd know about it.
I do find EFHW's entrance scummy though. Commenting on how short the deadline is sets her up for a vote on mcmc for having a lurker meta, which is not even really true (he didn't lurk in Super Mario and Chocolate). And even if it was, how is that a reason to vote for someone ? Talk about presumption of innocence !
vote: EFHW
Sometimes I use votes as communications, esp early on. Obviously I have no idea if he is scum or not. I wasn't in those games, so mb I'm wrong about him. In any case, I wouldn't let my vote go to lynch on this basis unless he was actually lurking in this game. I am more serious than usual about LALL, though, since this is blitz.
vote: EFHW you have no idea if I am scum or not and yet you are voting me? I feel like if you are going to be more serious about lurking then in normal games you should be more serious about voting than normal games
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Vote Count 1.2:
Robz888 (2): Jimmmmm, Archetype
EFHW (3): TA, Teproc, mcmcsalot
mcmcsalot (1): EFHW
Not Voting (2
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 1 ends at 8:15 p.m. on March 25, 2014.
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Hey everyone !
I don't get much out of the Jimmm/Robz thing, just some confusion about the setup because the last time it was played here, there was tweak to it.
If Robz was trying to get IC status, we'd know about it.
I do find EFHW's entrance scummy though. Commenting on how short the deadline is sets her up for a vote on mcmc for having a lurker meta, which is not even really true (he didn't lurk in Super Mario and Chocolate). And even if it was, how is that a reason to vote for someone ? Talk about presumption of innocence !
vote: EFHW
Sometimes I use votes as communications, esp early on. Obviously I have no idea if he is scum or not. I wasn't in those games, so mb I'm wrong about him. In any case, I wouldn't let my vote go to lynch on this basis unless he was actually lurking in this game. I am more serious than usual about LALL, though, since this is blitz.
vote: EFHW you have no idea if I am scum or not and yet you are voting me? I feel like if you are going to be more serious about lurking then in normal games you should be more serious about voting than normal games
You are voting for EFHW. Are you sure that she is scum?
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Vote: Robz888
He should have had time to see that I replied 'random.org' to Twistedarcher's post. I feel like he went on posting to gain IC status.
This is the same as what jimm said, but I don't think its relevant. Robz has actually said "i'm IC now right" in many of the recent games, I was also confused by twistedarchers question, I don't think robz "went on posting" he posted once soon after saying,
I actually didn't know who was in this game, I thought yuma and Voltaire were playing, there was some difference based on when we were starting. Swear to God.
this is response to jimm's vote immediatly claiming robz was posting for IC status, so robz first post is fluff/confusion caused by the IC, and his second is a defense of his confusion after a vote by jimm. I do not see this as scummy at all.
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Hey everyone !
I don't get much out of the Jimmm/Robz thing, just some confusion about the setup because the last time it was played here, there was tweak to it.
If Robz was trying to get IC status, we'd know about it.
I do find EFHW's entrance scummy though. Commenting on how short the deadline is sets her up for a vote on mcmc for having a lurker meta, which is not even really true (he didn't lurk in Super Mario and Chocolate). And even if it was, how is that a reason to vote for someone ? Talk about presumption of innocence !
vote: EFHW
Sometimes I use votes as communications, esp early on. Obviously I have no idea if he is scum or not. I wasn't in those games, so mb I'm wrong about him. In any case, I wouldn't let my vote go to lynch on this basis unless he was actually lurking in this game. I am more serious than usual about LALL, though, since this is blitz.
vote: EFHW you have no idea if I am scum or not and yet you are voting me? I feel like if you are going to be more serious about lurking then in normal games you should be more serious about voting than normal games
You are voting for EFHW. Are you sure that she is scum?
Sure no, but I have an idea based on the way she is acting that she might be scum.
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Hey everyone !
I don't get much out of the Jimmm/Robz thing, just some confusion about the setup because the last time it was played here, there was tweak to it.
If Robz was trying to get IC status, we'd know about it.
I do find EFHW's entrance scummy though. Commenting on how short the deadline is sets her up for a vote on mcmc for having a lurker meta, which is not even really true (he didn't lurk in Super Mario and Chocolate). And even if it was, how is that a reason to vote for someone ? Talk about presumption of innocence !
vote: EFHW
Sometimes I use votes as communications, esp early on. Obviously I have no idea if he is scum or not. I wasn't in those games, so mb I'm wrong about him. In any case, I wouldn't let my vote go to lynch on this basis unless he was actually lurking in this game. I am more serious than usual about LALL, though, since this is blitz.
vote: EFHW you have no idea if I am scum or not and yet you are voting me? I feel like if you are going to be more serious about lurking then in normal games you should be more serious about voting than normal games
You are voting for EFHW. Are you sure that she is scum?
Sure no, but I have an idea based on the way she is acting that she might be scum.
I also have an idea based on the way you are acting that you might be scum.
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Vote: Robz888
He should have had time to see that I replied 'random.org' to Twistedarcher's post. I feel like he went on posting to gain IC status.
This is the same as what jimm said, but I don't think its relevant. Robz has actually said "i'm IC now right" in many of the recent games, I was also confused by twistedarchers question, I don't think robz "went on posting" he posted once soon after saying,
I said nothing about the IC thing. My point is that Robz claiming to not even know who was in the game was likely an attempt, not to actually obtain IC status, but to be called out for it and then claim IC status as we expect him to do. Look at the post immediately before Robz' post:
So our scum pool:
Jimmmmm
mcmcsalot
EFHW
nkirbit
Robz888
Teproc
I call a Robz/mcmc/EFHW team.
So it's Jimmm/Nkirbit/Teproc?
Well the logical conclusion is that we would be the VTs, yes.
It contains not only the entire lynch pool, but the naming of a possible scum team following by the naming of everyone else in the lynch pool. Robz' comment was clearly not based on actual posts, and comes across as premeditated, like he's though to himself, "How am I going to go about claiming IC status, as they expect Town Robz to do?"
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Hey everyone !
I don't get much out of the Jimmm/Robz thing, just some confusion about the setup because the last time it was played here, there was tweak to it.
If Robz was trying to get IC status, we'd know about it.
I do find EFHW's entrance scummy though. Commenting on how short the deadline is sets her up for a vote on mcmc for having a lurker meta, which is not even really true (he didn't lurk in Super Mario and Chocolate). And even if it was, how is that a reason to vote for someone ? Talk about presumption of innocence !
vote: EFHW
Sometimes I use votes as communications, esp early on. Obviously I have no idea if he is scum or not. I wasn't in those games, so mb I'm wrong about him. In any case, I wouldn't let my vote go to lynch on this basis unless he was actually lurking in this game. I am more serious than usual about LALL, though, since this is blitz.
vote: EFHW you have no idea if I am scum or not and yet you are voting me? I feel like if you are going to be more serious about lurking then in normal games you should be more serious about voting than normal games
You are voting for EFHW. Are you sure that she is scum?
Sure no, but I have an idea based on the way she is acting that she might be scum.
I also have an idea based on the way you are acting that you might be scum.
Is that a threat? :P
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So Jimmmm, you think Robz thought the best way to do the IC thing this game was to be more subtle about it ?
The thing is, Robz's recent IC claiming is mostly coincidental, not something he does at the start of every game. He did it near the start of Chocolate and Adventure Time, but I don't think it came up in DWII, and it only came up on day 2 in Super Mario.
Point is : I wouldn't expect Robz to claim IC at the start of every game, thus I don't expect scum!Robz to worry about it that much.
I think you're only arguing this point in order to buddy Arch, which is already much scummier than EFHW's intro, so
vote: Jimmmmm
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No, just an expression of my reads
ppe; I see teproc agrees
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So Jimmmm, you think Robz thought the best way to do the IC thing this game was to be more subtle about it ?
The thing is, Robz's recent IC claiming is mostly coincidental, not something he does at the start of every game. He did it near the start of Chocolate and Adventure Time, but I don't think it came up in DWII, and it only came up on day 2 in Super Mario.
Point is : I wouldn't expect Robz to claim IC at the start of every game, thus I don't expect scum!Robz to worry about it that much.
I think you're only arguing this point in order to buddy Arch, which is already much scummier than EFHW's intro, so
vote: Jimmmmm
I was arguing this point before Arch was.
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So Jimmmm, you think Robz thought the best way to do the IC thing this game was to be more subtle about it ?
What do you mean by that?
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So Jimmmm, you think Robz thought the best way to do the IC thing this game was to be more subtle about it ?
What do you mean by that?
Well, look at my signature. THIS is how Robz claims IC. WHat you're suggesting he's doing here is more subtle than this.
Fair point about the Arch buddying thing. Still feels like this was a throwaway vote at first but you're seriously arguing it now because you have an IC on your side.
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So Jimmmm, you think Robz thought the best way to do the IC thing this game was to be more subtle about it ?
What do you mean by that?
Well, look at my signature. THIS is how Robz claims IC. WHat you're suggesting he's doing here is more subtle than this.
No I'm not. I'm saying he never got to your signature because I called him out for it. He wouldn't make the mistake and claim IC status in the same post. He was setting up for it.
Fair point about the Arch buddying thing. Still feels like this was a throwaway vote at first but you're seriously arguing it now because you have an IC on your side.
Not at all. (Here comes some hypocrisy... wait for it...) I was so focused on Robz, EFHW and mcmc that I actually half forgot who the ICs were for a bit. I was seriously going back to check if you were an IC after you posted until I remembered it was the Golden Arches.
This makes me an IC right?
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vote: jimm
Vote: Robz888
He should have had time to see that I replied 'random.org' to Twistedarcher's post. I feel like he went on posting to gain IC status.
This is the same as what jimm said, but I don't think its relevant. Robz has actually said "i'm IC now right" in many of the recent games, I was also confused by twistedarchers question, I don't think robz "went on posting" he posted once soon after saying,
I said nothing about the IC thing. My point is that Robz claiming to not even know who was in the game was likely an attempt, not to actually obtain IC status, but to be called out for it and then claim IC status as we expect him to do. Look at the post immediately before Robz' post:
This is what you said.
TwistedArcher was fearsome in his IC role, so I would think that was not a good choice, but... I don't even know who is in this game yet.
Vote: Robz
You know exactly who is in this game. This is an obvious attempt for "IC status".
Underlines added by me for clarification, Lynch all Liars
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Oh sorry, I see the confusion. I said nothing about the Robz thinking the ICs were determined by scum thing.
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Oh sorry, I see the confusion. I said nothing about the Robz thinking the ICs were determined by scum thing.
Then the fact that you lied(were confused) is irrelevant
The fact that you are voting robz because he pre planned openin posts and was "trying to claim ic status" is still relevant and still makes you scummy.
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Oh sorry, I see the confusion. I said nothing about the Robz thinking the ICs were determined by scum thing.
Then the fact that you lied(were confused) is irrelevant
The fact that you are voting robz because he pre planned openin posts and was "trying to claim ic status" is still relevant and still makes you scummy.
Why?
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Also, I wasn't confused, you were confused, or you jumped on something I said because you thought others would believe you.
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Teproc, mcmc: you've both jumped from efhw to jimm. Do you feel that efhw is still likely to be scum, or less sure now?
Would love more from robz and nkirbit.
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Teproc, mcmc: you've both jumped from efhw to jimm. Do you feel that efhw is still likely to be scum, or less sure now?
Would love more from robz and nkirbit.
I think EFHW's first two posts were a little scummy, and they still are, it's just that what Jimmmm is doing with the Robz/IC thing is more concrete, so it gives me a stronger read on Jimmmm than EFHW.
So I still have a light scum read on EFHW.
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What's your read on robz, teproc?
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I think EFHW's first two posts were a little scummy, and they still are, it's just that what Jimmmm is doing with the Robz/IC thing is more concrete, so it gives me a stronger read on Jimmmm than EFHW.
What's concrete about it? I've answered every criticism you'd have of me.
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What's your read on robz, teproc?
Null. I think people tend to put too much weight into knowing/not knowing setup info.
@Jimmmm : How so ? I disagree with your argument about Robz, and you tend to make sense when you're town. That's enough for me to form a somewhat strong read on you (relative to where we are in the game).
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What's your read on robz, teproc?
Null. I think people tend to put too much weight into knowing/not knowing setup info.
@Jimmmm : How so ? I disagree with your argument about Robz, and you tend to make sense when you're town. That's enough for me to form a somewhat strong read on you (relative to where we are in the game).
You can disagree with someone and they can still make sense.
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This is what you said after I first made my argument against Robz:
I don't get much out of the Jimmm/Robz thing, just some confusion about the setup because the last time it was played here, there was tweak to it.
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This is what you said after I first made my argument against Robz:
I don't get much out of the Jimmm/Robz thing, just some confusion about the setup because the last time it was played here, there was tweak to it.
Although having re-read that quote I guess you'd misunderstood my point at that stage.
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I'm not sure that teproc and mcmc would want to buddy this much, at least not early d1, if they were both mafia. That's twice that teproc has followed mcmc onto a vote -- I don't think that behavior would come from mafia buddies.
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Jimmmmm: If Robz's first post was a setup for claiming IC status, why would it matter if he did?
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Jimmmmm: If Robz's first post was a setup for claiming IC status, why would it matter if he did?
What do you mean?
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Jimmmmm: If Robz's first post was a setup for claiming IC status, why would it matter if he did?
What do you mean?
You seem to be making a big deal about voting Robz before he claimed IC status. Why would it have mattered if he did?
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Jimmmmm: If Robz's first post was a setup for claiming IC status, why would it matter if he did?
What do you mean?
You seem to be making a big deal about voting Robz before he claimed IC status. Why would it have mattered if he did?
What he posted looks like a premeditated attempt to setup his "Now I'm an IC" thing, whereas in other instances it's seemed more organic.
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Teproc, mcmc: you've both jumped from efhw to jimm. Do you feel that efhw is still likely to be scum, or less sure now?
Would love more from robz and nkirbit.
Still think she is scummy, simply less scummy than Jimm who's point I will address shortly.
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The very casual way EFHW votes for Mcmcsalot makes me think that they may be a scum pair.
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I'm not sure that teproc and mcmc would want to buddy this much, at least not early d1, if they were both mafia. That's twice that teproc has followed mcmc onto a vote -- I don't think that behavior would come from mafia buddies.
I was thinking along similar lines. My conclusion was that they seem to think about things in a similar way. They both jumped on me early on in Mario (in which they happened to be right, but for the wrong reason).
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Oh sorry, I see the confusion. I said nothing about the Robz thinking the ICs were determined by scum thing.
This is funny. There are two ways Robz could have used his opening post to claim IC!
Jimmmmm why did you claim VT at the start?
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Jimmmmm why did you claim VT at the start?
Ugh okay let's see if I can find it.
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Oh sorry, I see the confusion. I said nothing about the Robz thinking the ICs were determined by scum thing.
Jimmmmm why did you claim VT at the start?
You do understand that all non-IC townies are VTs ? Since everyone is claiming to be town, everyone is implicitly claiming to be VT (except for the Arches obviously).
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Jimmmmm why did you claim VT at the start?
Ugh okay let's see if I can find it.
Ah that was easy:
Oh and I firmly claim vanilla townie.
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Also, I wasn't confused, you were confused, or you jumped on something I said because you thought others would believe you.
Jimm, I said I find you summ for voting for robz and saying that he was trying to claim ic status with his openin posts. I have now quoted that you did in fact say that after you claimed not to(but you were confused in what I was claiming you said) so you are still scummy for this.
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Also, I wasn't confused, you were confused, or you jumped on something I said because you thought others would believe you.
Jimm, I said I find you summ for voting for robz and saying that he was trying to claim ic status with his openin posts. I have now quoted that you did in fact say that after you claimed not to(but you were confused in what I was claiming you said) so you are still scummy for this.
Again, you were the one who was confused. I can see how I contributed to the confusion by saying "I said nothing about the IC thing" when in fact there were 2 IC things and I clearly said something about the other one.
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Jimmmmm: If Robz's first post was a setup for claiming IC status, why would it matter if he did?
What do you mean?
You seem to be making a big deal about voting Robz before he claimed IC status. Why would it have mattered if he did?
What he posted looks like a premeditated attempt to setup his "Now I'm an IC" thing, whereas in other instances it's seemed more organic.
Right, but he knows this has gotten him lynched before (as town). Why would he want to do this when he knows we'll react negatively?
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unvote re: mcmc. Not sure what to make of Jimmmmm. So many of his posts have led to confusion and then been cleared up.
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Jimmmmm why did you claim VT at the start?
Ugh okay let's see if I can find it.
Ah that was easy:
Oh and I firmly claim vanilla townie.
Woah, this sticks out as a lot of effort to make a point that didn't need making in the first place.
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Vote: Nkirbit Post more!
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Jimmmmm why did you claim VT at the start?
Ugh okay let's see if I can find it.
Ah that was easy:
Oh and I firmly claim vanilla townie.
Woah, this sticks out as a lot of effort to make a point that didn't need making in the first place.
She asked why I claimed VT, and the only reason I did was because I was referencing Eevee. I suspect I actually secretly wanted to find the quote anyway.
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Also, I wasn't confused, you were confused, or you jumped on something I said because you thought others would believe you.
Jimm, I said I find you summ for voting for robz and saying that he was trying to claim ic status with his openin posts. I have now quoted that you did in fact say that after you claimed not to(but you were confused in what I was claiming you said) so you are still scummy for this.
Again, you were the one who was confused. I can see how I contributed to the confusion by saying "I said nothing about the IC thing" when in fact there were 2 IC things and I clearly said something about the other one.
NOO let me get on my computer.
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Also, I wasn't confused, you were confused, or you jumped on something I said because you thought others would believe you.
Jimm, I said I find you summ for voting for robz and saying that he was trying to claim ic status with his openin posts. I have now quoted that you did in fact say that after you claimed not to(but you were confused in what I was claiming you said) so you are still scummy for this.
Again, you were the one who was confused. I can see how I contributed to the confusion by saying "I said nothing about the IC thing" when in fact there were 2 IC things and I clearly said something about the other one.
NOO let me get on my computer.
Are you going to be long? I need to get to bed.
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shouldnt be long im on now
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Jimmmmm: If Robz's first post was a setup for claiming IC status, why would it matter if he did?
What do you mean?
You seem to be making a big deal about voting Robz before he claimed IC status. Why would it have mattered if he did?
What he posted looks like a premeditated attempt to setup his "Now I'm an IC" thing, whereas in other instances it's seemed more organic.
Right, but he knows this has gotten him lynched before (as town). Why would he want to do this when he knows we'll react negatively?
Why do scum want to do anything? He also knows that we know that he's been lynched as Town for it. I think Robz actually claiming IC status in an appropriate situation would be a nulltell, and he knows that. Ignoring actual posts in order to create a situation to claim IC is a different story.
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Jimmmmm: If Robz's first post was a setup for claiming IC status, why would it matter if he did?
What do you mean?
You seem to be making a big deal about voting Robz before he claimed IC status. Why would it have mattered if he did?
What he posted looks like a premeditated attempt to setup his "Now I'm an IC" thing, whereas in other instances it's seemed more organic.
Right, but he knows this has gotten him lynched before (as town). Why would he want to do this when he knows we'll react negatively?
Why do scum want to do anything? He also knows that we know that he's been lynched as Town for it. I think Robz actually claiming IC status in an appropriate situation would be a nulltell, and he knows that. Ignoring actual posts in order to create a situation to claim IC is a different story.
Here's the problem though : why didn't you let him do the IC claiming thing, and THEN voted for him explaining this reasoning ?
Because as is, you're just assuming his intention. If you're town looking to catch scum!Robz, do you see how that undermines your point ?
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Jimmmmm: If Robz's first post was a setup for claiming IC status, why would it matter if he did?
What do you mean?
You seem to be making a big deal about voting Robz before he claimed IC status. Why would it have mattered if he did?
What he posted looks like a premeditated attempt to setup his "Now I'm an IC" thing, whereas in other instances it's seemed more organic.
Right, but he knows this has gotten him lynched before (as town). Why would he want to do this when he knows we'll react negatively?
Why do scum want to do anything? He also knows that we know that he's been lynched as Town for it. I think Robz actually claiming IC status in an appropriate situation would be a nulltell, and he knows that. Ignoring actual posts in order to create a situation to claim IC is a different story.
Here's the problem though : why didn't you let him do the IC claiming thing, and THEN voted for him explaining this reasoning ?
Because as is, you're just assuming his intention. If you're town looking to catch scum!Robz, do you see how that undermines your point ?
This is what I was getting at.
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TwistedArcher was fearsome in his IC role, so I would think that was not a good choice, but... I don't even know who is in this game yet.
Vote: Robz
You know exactly who is in this game. This is an obvious attempt for "IC status".
okay above is you claiming robz is trying to claim IC status.
Vote: Robz888
He should have had time to see that I replied 'random.org' to Twistedarcher's post. I feel like he went on posting to gain IC status.
This is the same as what jimm said, but I don't think its relevant. Robz has actually said "i'm IC now right" in many of the recent games, I was also confused by twistedarchers question, I don't think robz "went on posting" he posted once soon after saying,
I said nothing about the IC thing. My point is that Robz claiming to not even know who was in the game was likely an attempt, not to actually obtain IC status, but to be called out for it and then claim IC status as we expect him to do. Look at the post immediately before Robz' post:
above is you saying your point is robz is faking not knowing who is in the game so he will be called out for it so he can then CLAIM IC STATUS
so you are still claiming robz original posts are an attempt to claim ic status. this is all i have ever argued and you have infact been claiming this is what robz did. So I find you scummy for because its a terrible argument, The opening post of almost every game robz says something like this, it is not indicative of his alingment, it has zero relevance and I think you are very scummy for pushing it and still having your vote on him/trying to lynch based off of that silly piece of information.
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I see teproc and arch agree
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Here's the problem though : why didn't you let him do the IC claiming thing, and THEN voted for him explaining this reasoning ?
Lately I jump on pretty much anything early on Day 1 to at least get the game going with me actually involved. To be honest, that's what I was doing when I voted. It wasn't until a bit later that I realised, "Hey that's actually half decent for early Day 1."
Because as is, you're just assuming his intention. If you're town looking to catch scum!Robz, do you see how that undermines your point ?
Alright, well sorry I missed an opportunity to lay a trap less than an hour into Day 1 in between things I had to do at work I guess.
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Here's the problem though : why didn't you let him do the IC claiming thing, and THEN voted for him explaining this reasoning ?
Lately I jump on pretty much anything early on Day 1 to at least get the game going with me actually involved. To be honest, that's what I was doing when I voted. It wasn't until a bit later that I realised, "Hey that's actually half decent for early Day 1."
Because as is, you're just assuming his intention. If you're town looking to catch scum!Robz, do you see how that undermines your point ?
Alright, well sorry I missed an opportunity to lay a trap less than an hour into Day 1 in between things I had to do at work I guess.
Now you are claiming this was just to get the game going/turned into a good point...Scummy Scummy Scum Scum
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Vote: Jimmmmm
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TwistedArcher was fearsome in his IC role, so I would think that was not a good choice, but... I don't even know who is in this game yet.
Vote: Robz
You know exactly who is in this game. This is an obvious attempt for "IC status".
okay above is you claiming robz is trying to claim IC status.
Vote: Robz888
He should have had time to see that I replied 'random.org' to Twistedarcher's post. I feel like he went on posting to gain IC status.
This is the same as what jimm said, but I don't think its relevant. Robz has actually said "i'm IC now right" in many of the recent games, I was also confused by twistedarchers question, I don't think robz "went on posting" he posted once soon after saying,
I said nothing about the IC thing. My point is that Robz claiming to not even know who was in the game was likely an attempt, not to actually obtain IC status, but to be called out for it and then claim IC status as we expect him to do. Look at the post immediately before Robz' post:
above is you saying your point is robz is faking not knowing who is in the game so he will be called out for it so he can then CLAIM IC STATUS
so you are still claiming robz original posts are an attempt to claim ic status.
Uh, yes. I did in fact do that. I never said I didn't. What I said was that I never commented on the point of Robz thinking that Mafia got to choose ICs, which was "the IC thing" I was referring to.
So I find you scummy for because its a terrible argument, The opening post of almost every game robz says something like this, it is not indicative of his alingment, it has zero relevance and I think you are very scummy for pushing it and still having your vote on him/trying to lynch based off of that silly piece of information.
Thank you! A response to my actual point. That's helpful. I'll have to go check to see if Robz really does say something like, "I don't know who's in this game" at the start of every game.
What is with you and wanting me to quickly unvote my early votes? Exactly what purpose does that serve?
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Vote: Jimmmmm
Well that's unfortunate.
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Why Arch? Because I didn't wait for Robz to actually claim IC before calling him out about it?
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Here's the problem though : why didn't you let him do the IC claiming thing, and THEN voted for him explaining this reasoning ?
Lately I jump on pretty much anything early on Day 1 to at least get the game going with me actually involved. To be honest, that's what I was doing when I voted. It wasn't until a bit later that I realised, "Hey that's actually half decent for early Day 1."
Because as is, you're just assuming his intention. If you're town looking to catch scum!Robz, do you see how that undermines your point ?
Alright, well sorry I missed an opportunity to lay a trap less than an hour into Day 1 in between things I had to do at work I guess.
Now you are claiming this was just to get the game going/turned into a good point...Scummy Scummy Scum Scum
Because I would clearly never try to involve myself in a game as Town right?
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Why Arch? Because I didn't wait for Robz to actually claim IC before calling him out about it?
I would also like to hear more of what Arch was thinking.
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I don't share the same scumread on Jimmmm honestly, I feel he overreacted to Robz' post yes, and I think he was stretching it, but I don't think this automatically means he's scum. Yes I agree with what Mcmc/Teproc/Arch are saying and that I disagree with Jimmmm's vote on Robz, but why does this mean that Jimmm has to be scum?
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Why Arch? Because I didn't wait for Robz to actually claim IC before calling him out about it?
I would also like to hear more of what Arch was thinking.
Well I would like to hear more of what you are thinking.
I don't think ICs should have a very open thought process here. It seems to me that this setup is all about interactions between the 6 "VTs".
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Okay hi everyone. Looks like I stumbled my way into IC status again, huh? Well that's cool
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Okay hi everyone. Looks like I stumbled my way into IC status again, huh? Well that's cool
HA! I told you! I told you all!!
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I'm most suspicious of people jumping on Jimm. While I disagree with Jimm that Robz's opening is a scumtell (It's completely null to me. Could be town, could be scum).... I just don't see how Jimm being suspicious of it makes him scum either. It looks like too obvious of a thing for scum to jump on and hammer all day... and I guess I'm just surprised that other's don't appear to agree with me on that. Does scum really jump on practically the first post of the game and stay there all game? I don't think so.
I guess I could see an argument for bussing (early wagons hardly ever go through, so get on your teammate early to make time to get off later!)... but if Robz is town, I would lean towards Jimm being town as well.
Jumping on Jimm.. on the other hand.. I think that's a case that might stick. Jumping on someone you disagree with is a pretty good tactic for scum to take, because you don't have to "fake" anything... you legitimately disagree with them, and can make your case sound more sincere as such! And it's not a long day, so taking an opportunity to jump on Jimm sounds pretty reasonable for scum to do.. much more so than jumping on Robz, anyway.
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Scum are... nkirbit and Jimm, huh? And maybe EFHW?
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So now our major lurker is nkirbit. He has one vote on him already for that, so I'll hold off on voting too, hoping he shows up and posts more. Teproc and mcmc seem to be scumhunting. Robz is hanging back and letting the rest of us argue about him. Jimmmmm is getting kind of defensive. His posts have been kind of cryptic, but his participation has helped the game get moving. I'm going to be pretty busy for the next several hours, but I'll be back before deadline. The two major wagons seem to be me and Jimmmmmm (a vote count would be nice!). I'm not ready to vote Jimmmmm, but would to prevent my own lynch, naturally. I'd like a third option, but that will have to wait since I have to get going now.
PPE: Teproc - you seem kind of hostile. Arch can choose not to speak, as I often did as IC myself, but my wanting to hear his thoughts is reasonable, since I know his opinions won't have ulterior motives behind them.
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Okay, let's review the relevant posts I made today while at work. For context, I work at reception at a hotel. I work standing up. There are many different things that could demand my attention in an instant. I'm not likely to be able to put a solid effort into scumhunting while at work. Unless I happen to be working overnight, which I wasn't.
PMs sent. Game starts in 24 hours.
You're late!
Jokey post, since ash started around an hour after he said he would.
I firmly claim VT.
Another jokey post, referencing Eevee.
So our scum pool:
Jimmmmm
mcmcsalot
EFHW
nkirbit
Robz888
Teproc
I call a Robz/mcmc/EFHW team.
Listing the scum pool, and calling a team for much hilarity on the 10% chance that I'm right.
So our scum pool:
Jimmmmm
mcmcsalot
EFHW
nkirbit
Robz888
Teproc
I call a Robz/mcmc/EFHW team.
So it's Jimmm/Nkirbit/Teproc?
Well the logical conclusion is that we would be the VTs, yes.
Jokey post, deliberately misunderstanding TA's deliberate misunderstanding of my post.
Do you get that I'm not really thinking, "must lay traps to catch scum!"?
TwistedArcher was fearsome in his IC role, so I would think that was not a good choice, but... I don't even know who is in this game yet.
Vote: Robz
You know exactly who is in this game. This is an obvious attempt for "IC status".
So then Robz posts and my first thought is, "Is he going to claim IC status here?" So I throw my vote down. I could pull up quotes in probably half a dozen or so recent Town games, as well as one scum game, in which I have done something very similar early Day 1, saying things like, "This is scum Robz", or "Vote: XP. Not RVS" or "Vote: mcmc because I don't understand you and that makes you scum" (that last one was the scum one). That's slightly more interesting, and I think slightly more useful than just plain old RVS.
So our scum pool:
Jimmmmm
mcmcsalot
EFHW
nkirbit
Robz888
Teproc
I call a Robz/mcmc/EFHW team.
So our scum pool:
Jimmmmm
mcmcsalot
EFHW
nkirbit
Robz888
Teproc
I call a Robz/mcmc/EFHW team.
So it's Jimmm/Nkirbit/Teproc?
So our scum pool:
Jimmmmm
mcmcsalot
EFHW
nkirbit
Robz888
Teproc
I call a Robz/mcmc/EFHW team.
So it's Jimmm/Nkirbit/Teproc?
Well the logical conclusion is that we would be the VTs, yes.
And then I notice, hey actually 3 of the 9 posts prior to Robz' post mention pretty much everyone who is in the game. How could he miss that?
What do agree completely with?
Oh, I just figured out Robz's comment - he thought the mafia got to pick the ICs. Now I agree completely!
I was actually just talking about his claim that he didn't know who was in the game. A full third of the posts up to then contained the entire non-IC player list. Seems like something he planned to say before the game started.
So yeah. Is it "scummy scum scum scum" that I voted for Robz in a semi-RVS way and then started thinking that what I said might have some merit? Well no, since I'm not scum. But I also think objectively no. I appear to be very much alone in my assessment of Robz, but I can deal with that. At the very least I've generated a significant amount of conversation. Regardless, I'm going to bed. I'll be up again a few hours before deadline, so please don't lynch me (or anyone else) before then. Keep up the chatter while I'm gone though!
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So now our major lurker is nkirbit. He has one vote on him already for that, so I'll hold off on voting too, hoping he shows up and posts more. Teproc and mcmc seem to be scumhunting. Robz is hanging back and letting the rest of us argue about him. Jimmmmm is getting kind of defensive. His posts have been kind of cryptic, but his participation has helped the game get moving. I'm going to be pretty busy for the next several hours, but I'll be back before deadline. The two major wagons seem to be me and Jimmmmmm (a vote count would be nice!). I'm not ready to vote Jimmmmm, but would to prevent my own lynch, naturally. I'd like a third option, but that will have to wait since I have to get going now.
PPE: Teproc - you seem kind of hostile. Arch can choose not to speak, as I often did as IC myself, but my wanting to hear his thoughts is reasonable, since I know his opinions won't have ulterior motives behind them.
Sorry if I'm hostile, I just think you've been avoiding the Jimmmmm thing, and it still looks like you're not really taking a strong position here. That's fine I suppose, but I think mostly ICs should be prompting discussion inside the lynchpool. They are the people with the less information here, and by giving away what their reads are, they make it easier for scum to know when it's safe to protect their partner, when they need to bus etc.
Obviously they're part of the game, but having unexplained votes like the one Archetype just cast on Jimmmm, seems like a good way to do this.
Let's say Jimmmm is scum and you're his partner. You really want to know if Arch is voting for Jimmmm because he is absolutely convinced or if he's trying to see how people will react to Jimmmm having 3 votes on him, or whatever else he might want to do. If you're town, I guess you're interested in his opinion as well because it's a voice you can trust, but I think you get more info by looking at what other non-ICs have to say.
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Jimmmm, what's hurting you here, from my PoV, is that this feels VERY similar to the suspicion I had on you early on in Super Mario. You might have done a similar thing in Star Wars and Chocolate, but I was scum in those so I can't compare them off the top of my head.
This is why I was eagerly waiting to see what Robz and nkirbit have to say. Let's just say that nkirbit defending you doesn't look great, in that it provides a scumteam narrative (Jimmmm/nkirbit ... EFHW ? Robz ?). I'll take a look at your first posts in those game though.
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Right, you weren't in Star Wars. The reference to a XP vote made me think you were, but no.
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So now our major lurker is nkirbit. He has one vote on him already for that, so I'll hold off on voting too, hoping he shows up and posts more. Teproc and mcmc seem to be scumhunting. Robz is hanging back and letting the rest of us argue about him. Jimmmmm is getting kind of defensive. His posts have been kind of cryptic, but his participation has helped the game get moving. I'm going to be pretty busy for the next several hours, but I'll be back before deadline. The two major wagons seem to be me and Jimmmmmm (a vote count would be nice!). I'm not ready to vote Jimmmmm, but would to prevent my own lynch, naturally. I'd like a third option, but that will have to wait since I have to get going now.
PPE: Teproc - you seem kind of hostile. Arch can choose not to speak, as I often did as IC myself, but my wanting to hear his thoughts is reasonable, since I know his opinions won't have ulterior motives behind them.
Ash is probably asleep, so we are unlikely to get it. (He's on the same time zone as Jimm).
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I think the following s accurate :
Jimmmmm (3) : Teproc, mcmcsalot, Archetype
Robz888 (1) : Jimmmmm
nkirbit (1) : Twistedarcher
Not voting (3) : nkirbit, Robz888, EFHW
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Robz, give us some reads please.
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Scum are... nkirbit and Jimm, huh? And maybe EFHW?
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What's your opinion on the Robz/Jimmmmm situation, EFHW?
If you want me to explain my vote on Jimmmmm, TA, I will.
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Completely up to you, Arch.
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I don't share the same scumread on Jimmmm honestly, I feel he overreacted to Robz' post yes, and I think he was stretching it, but I don't think this automatically means he's scum. Yes I agree with what Mcmc/Teproc/Arch are saying and that I disagree with Jimmmm's vote on Robz, but why does this mean that Jimmm has to be scum?
But why does town jimm decide to stick to this argument and defend it against huge opposition and maintain the vote on robz(I do not just attack people to unvote, I think that keeping your vote means you disagree with everyone and still want to lynch robz) I just don't see how a towny feels this way with all the opposition and zero new info from robz.
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He denies my IC status because it threatens him. We should lynch him.
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Scum are... nkirbit and Jimm, huh? And maybe EFHW?
Vote: Robz Stop being difficult please. Why do you have to have a meta of unhelpfulness D1, it's so bad for town.
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He denies my IC status because it threatens him. We should lynch him.
ugh
ppe yes, ugh
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He denies my IC status because it threatens him. We should lynch him.
Stop it.
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Scum are... nkirbit and Jimm, huh? And maybe EFHW?
Vote: Robz Stop being difficult please. Why do you have to have a meta of unhelpfulness D1, it's so bad for town.
This. I had a whole argument about this in Star Wars that I didn't end up using but it was 100% truthful. It's just tiring.
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You just wish YOU had IC status...
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Scum are... nkirbit and Jimm, huh? And maybe EFHW?
Vote: Robz Stop being difficult please. Why do you have to have a meta of unhelpfulness D1, it's so bad for town.
This. I had a whole argument about this in Star Wars that I didn't end up using but it was 100% truthful. It's just tiring.
We won that game in a landslide!
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And I was town! So what's the argument?
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Thanks Robz, you've made me walk away from my computer in frustration. You are purposely being difficult and I have no clue why but it's awful and anti-fun. If you're town thanks for making us wade through bullshit.
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:'(
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Your vote on XP in that game was based on nothing. You were right sure, but you were wrong when you did it in Chocolate (Jorbles) and Adventure (S_P).
My point is that your meta of being useless on day 1 in annoying, and there aren't enough IC jokes in te world to offset that. I'm practically never going to be against a Robz lynch day 1 until that changes, basically.
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Okay I was just having a bit of fun, sorry. Vote: Robz888
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Okay I was just having a bit of fun, sorry. Vote: Robz888
Great.
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vote: robz888 unacceptable
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vote: jimm its anti town regardless but I think actual scumminess is more indicative of alignment
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Whatever, this is distracting.
I'm now pretty convinced that mcmc is town. I guess I haven't seen him as scum yet, but this is very reminiscent of his play in Super Mario to me.
If this is true, that means there are three scum in {Jimmmmm, nkirbit, EFHW, Robz}. I think Jimmmmm and EFHW are the better lynches in that group.
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Actually I think EFHW might be better than Jimmmm, because I can see a EFHW/Robz/nkirbit team existing. Not as likely as EFHW/nkirbit/Jimmmmm but pretty good. And I'm pretty sure Robz/Jimmmmm/nkirbit can't really be a thing : it would mean Robz called a scumteam that has two of his partners in it, which doesn't make a lot of sense with white flag.
I understand this is pretty speculative, but the setup really calls for this kind of thinking, at least from a VT standpoint.
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Vote: EFHW
I'm pretty sure Jimmmmm is Town. I'm frustrated with Robz, but I'm not certain on his alignment.
I'll wait for TA's opinion, but we'll likely be lynching from this pool: {EFHW, nkirbit, Mcmcsalot, Robz888}
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As per above, I'm fine with that.
vote: EFHW
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Vote Count 1.3:
Robz888 (3): Jimmmmm, TA, robz888
mcmcsalot (1): EFHW
Jimmmmm (1): mcmc
EFHW (2): Arch, Teproc
Not Voting (1
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 1 ends at 8:15 p.m. on March 25, 2014.
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vote: EFHW still think she's scummy as well.
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People should just ignore robz until he starts being serious.
vote: mcmc. I think he was the worst offender of jumping on Jimm for voting robz initially
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What's your opinion on the Robz/Jimmmmm situation, EFHW?
If you want me to explain my vote on Jimmmmm, TA, I will.
I think Robz is creating chaos. Maybe for fun, maybe as a scum tactic.
Is TA the chief IC?
You made the vote, that is already a statement. It is not careful neutrality. Why make it if you aren't open to talking about it?
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That vote count is wrong - I unvoted mcmc. But now Vote: mcmc. Not for lurking but for voting me for no apparent reason other than I'm "scummy". I'd vote Arch, except he is IC so not scum, though acting scummy in a very similar way. Why did either of you vote me, exactly?
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What's your opinion on the Robz/Jimmmmm situation, EFHW?
If you want me to explain my vote on Jimmmmm, TA, I will.
I think Robz is creating chaos. Maybe for fun, maybe as a scum tactic.
Is TA the chief IC?
You made the vote, that is already a statement. It is not careful neutrality. Why make it if you aren't open to talking about it?
I can explain when the game is over if you'd like.
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So now our major lurker is nkirbit. He has one vote on him already for that, so I'll hold off on voting too, hoping he shows up and posts more. Teproc and mcmc seem to be scumhunting. Robz is hanging back and letting the rest of us argue about him. Jimmmmm is getting kind of defensive. His posts have been kind of cryptic, but his participation has helped the game get moving. I'm going to be pretty busy for the next several hours, but I'll be back before deadline. The two major wagons seem to be me and Jimmmmmm (a vote count would be nice!). I'm not ready to vote Jimmmmm, but would to prevent my own lynch, naturally. I'd like a third option, but that will have to wait since I have to get going now.
PPE: Teproc - you seem kind of hostile. Arch can choose not to speak, as I often did as IC myself, but my wanting to hear his thoughts is reasonable, since I know his opinions won't have ulterior motives behind them.
Sorry if I'm hostile, I just think you've been avoiding the Jimmmmm thing, and it still looks like you're not really taking a strong position here. That's fine I suppose, but I think mostly ICs should be prompting discussion inside the lynchpool. They are the people with the less information here, and by giving away what their reads are, they make it easier for scum to know when it's safe to protect their partner, when they need to bus etc.
Obviously they're part of the game, but having unexplained votes like the one Archetype just cast on Jimmmm, seems like a good way to do this.
Let's say Jimmmm is scum and you're his partner. You really want to know if Arch is voting for Jimmmm because he is absolutely convinced or if he's trying to see how people will react to Jimmmm having 3 votes on him, or whatever else he might want to do. If you're town, I guess you're interested in his opinion as well because it's a voice you can trust, but I think you get more info by looking at what other non-ICs have to say.
Anyone who posts an explained vote will get a question from me. I mean, really they are provoking the question by voting that way. I don't see what I'm avoiding about Jimmmmm. He has made a lot of jokey posts, all of which were misunderstood and then clarified. While that is something to remark on, I don't know what it means. Do you know what it means? It's not a typical scumtell.
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Except Archetype isn't "anyone", he's an IC. The less he says about his reads, the better (generally).
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Vote Count 1.4:
Robz888 (3): Jimmmmm, TA, robz888
mcmcsalot (2): Nkirbit, EFHW
EFHW (3): Arch, Teproc, mcmc
Not Voting (0):
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 1 ends at 8:15 p.m. on March 25, 2014.
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Except Archetype isn't "anyone", he's an IC. The less he says about his reads, the better (generally).
But you are trying to say that my asking him about his vote is scummy, and that is a real stretch imo. If my question came out of nowhere, then yes, that would be weird and suspicious. But if the IC shouldn't be questioned about his votes, then he shouldn't be voting. Personally, I don't agree with IC's using votes as traps or tests. It is deceptive and too distorting of other people's reads when a large part of their value is supposed to be that they can be trusted.
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As per above, I'm fine with that.
vote: EFHW
Why are you voting EFHW?
Archetype doesn't have to explain his vote if he doesn't want to. That's true. But you should keep in mind.. Archetype has less info than all of the VTs in the game, because he knows one less alignment. So while it's fine to follow ICs a little in terms of letting them lead the game, their reads aren't necessarily any better. So I think that if Archetype wants other people to vote EFHW, he should explain his read. If he wants to sandbag to gather info, that's fine too.
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Actually I think EFHW might be better than Jimmmm, because I can see a EFHW/Robz/nkirbit team existing. Not as likely as EFHW/nkirbit/Jimmmmm but pretty good. And I'm pretty sure Robz/Jimmmmm/nkirbit can't really be a thing : it would mean Robz called a scumteam that has two of his partners in it, which doesn't make a lot of sense with white flag.
I understand this is pretty speculative, but the setup really calls for this kind of thinking, at least from a VT standpoint.
Extremely speculative. I don't see the rationale behind any of the assessments you make of these groupings, except I guess you take my not joining the Jimmmmm quickwagon as a partner action. And why does the setup call for this kind of thinking? We have a 50/50 chance of hitting scum (60/40 from each VT's perspective). Lots of potential for good scum-hunting and no particular reason to rely on speculation. Team calling on Day 1 is really unrealistic.
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As per above, I'm fine with that.
vote: EFHW
Why are you voting EFHW?
PoE is a big part of it. I think mcmcsalot is town, and EFHW is in pretty much all pairings that make ense among the other four.
Maybe I'm completely off-base and the team is Robz/mcmc/nkirbit, but I'm willing to take that risk.
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Actually I think EFHW might be better than Jimmmm, because I can see a EFHW/Robz/nkirbit team existing. Not as likely as EFHW/nkirbit/Jimmmmm but pretty good. And I'm pretty sure Robz/Jimmmmm/nkirbit can't really be a thing : it would mean Robz called a scumteam that has two of his partners in it, which doesn't make a lot of sense with white flag.
I understand this is pretty speculative, but the setup really calls for this kind of thinking, at least from a VT standpoint.
Extremely speculative. I don't see the rationale behind any of the assessments you make of these groupings, except I guess you take my not joining the Jimmmmm quickwagon as a partner action. And why does the setup call for this kind of thinking? We have a 50/50 chance of hitting scum (60/40 from each VT's perspective). Lots of potential for good scum-hunting and no particular reason to rely on speculation. Team calling on Day 1 is really unrealistic.
Team calling when I'm looking at 3/5 scum is very realistic actually. This is very close to my situation in DWII where I just had to figure out liopoil was town to get the scumteam. Here, I'm reasonably confident that mcmc is town, and if I had to guess the second townie I would say Robz, although I'm less sure about that.
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Well this slowed down.
Can everyone please name their top scum read?
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Jimm
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Mcmc and Teproc continue to be very buddy-buddy, but I'm leaning towards them both not being town. That just seems too easy.
Robz is frustrating, but I have no read on him. Maybe scum a bit, he knows he can skate by as scum more than anyone else can.
EFHW has noted that she'd vote both me and Arch at a certain point if we weren't ICs. So it's OMGUS-but-not-really. Still, she wasn't happy with either of our votes on her.
Jimmmmm reads townier to me. Leaning scum a bit on Nkirbit.
I want to lynch in EFHW/Robz/Nkirbit, I think. I think one of Mcmc/Teproc is scum, but I'd guess one is town too, meaning I have the same odds elsewhere. I think town/town is more likely than scum/scum. Given I think Jimmmm is town, that leaves two scum in Nkirbit/Robz/EFHW I want to be looking at D1.
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I have Teproc as a little townier than Mcmc.
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Mcmc can you give me a scummy to towny list please
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Scum to town : EFHW > nkirbit > Jimmmm > Robz > mcmcsalot
I had forgotten about this, but daychat means nkirbit's inactivity is very scummy.
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Mcmc: What do you think of the possibility Teproc is scum buddying your reads vs. you both being correct?
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Scum to town : EFHW > nkirbit > Jimmmm > Robz > mcmcsalot
I had forgotten about this, but daychat means nkirbit's inactivity is very scummy.
I think it's a moot point, if he's scum, I doubt he would be posting in the QT either.
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Scum to town : EFHW > nkirbit > Jimmmm > Robz > mcmcsalot
I had forgotten about this, but daychat means nkirbit's inactivity is very scummy.
I think it's a moot point, if he's scum, I doubt he would be posting in the QT either.
I guess I'll refer to you on that one, but I do think my overall point still stands : scum with daychat can be less active in thread because they're discussing things in their QT.
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I have Teproc as a little townier than Mcmc.
Really? I have mcmc ahead of Teproc.
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I have Teproc as a little townier than Mcmc.
Really? I have mcmc ahead of Teproc.
How come? I'm not sold on it for sure.
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Teproc, I guess? I dunno. I'm getting concerned about his buddying with archetype.. Especially his efhw vote immediately after archs in which arch gave no reason.
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Teproc, I guess? I dunno. I'm getting concerned about his buddying with archetype.. Especially his efhw vote immediately after archs in which arch gave no reason.
I don't really care why Arch is voting EFHW. I stated a few posts before Archetype voted that EFHW would be a better lynch than Jimmmm. I didn't switch my vote then because there were 3 votes on Jimmmm and no votes on EFHW, but when Archetype voted EFHW it made more sense to switch. I don't see how this is buddying ?
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I have Teproc as a little townier than Mcmc.
Really? I have mcmc ahead of Teproc.
How come? I'm not sold on it for sure.
Mainly buddying. Especially that hardcore "Arch can say as much or as little as he wants" and sheeping my vote.
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Teproc, I guess? I dunno. I'm getting concerned about his buddying with archetype.. Especially his efhw vote immediately after archs in which arch gave no reason.
I don't really care why Arch is voting EFHW. I stated a few posts before Archetype voted that EFHW would be a better lynch than Jimmmm. I didn't switch my vote then because there were 3 votes on Jimmmm and no votes on EFHW, but when Archetype voted EFHW it made more sense to switch. I don't see how this is buddying ?
That's not buddying, but your defense of him against my questions is.
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Vote Count 1.5:
Robz888 (2): Jimmmmm, robz888
mcmcsalot (2): Nkirbit, EFHW
EFHW (3): Arch, Teproc, mcmc
Not Voting (1): TA
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 1 ends at 8:15 p.m. on March 25, 2014.
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Mcmc can you give me a scummy to towny list please
Jimm>EFHW>>>Nkirbit>Robz>>>>>>Teproc>ME
Mcmc: What do you think of the possibility Teproc is scum buddying your reads vs. you both being correct?
I don't think he is buddying my reads, we have similar lines of thinking regardless of alingment. But I don't think its advantageous for scum teproc
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Day 1 ends at 8:15 p.m. on March 25, 2014. That's in less than 90 minutes.
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Yeah arch, I see what you mean. Ugh. I'm down for just lynching robz, what does everyone think about that?
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I'm voting mcmc for not supporting his vote on me with any argument, but I also have bad feelings about Teproc given what I see as real stretches in his attempts to paint me as scummy. Robz's antics are totally in line with him being scum and trying to create disorder, and since he hasn't done a lot else I'd be open to voting him as well.
I'll probably end up switching to Robz since the mcmc wagon hasn't gotten any traction. But I'd join a Teproc wagon as well.
PPE: I see TA is thinking along similar lines.
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Vote: EFHW
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Yeah arch, I see what you mean. Ugh. I'm down for just lynching robz, what does everyone think about that?
Not a fan. I agree that his day 1 meta is very frustrating, but I would much rather lynch EFHW, Jimmmmm, or nkirbit.
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Vote: EFHW
This puts EFHW at L-1.
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Morning all!
I think EFHW is probably Town.
I struggle to see both mcmc and Teproc being Town, and they both sheeped Arch onto EFHW very quickly.
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Oi, I don't know if I support lynching EFHW. Certainly not yet. We have time!
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Robz please give a scum to town list, thanks
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Morning all!
I think EFHW is probably Town.
I struggle to see both mcmc and Teproc being Town, and they both sheeped Arch onto EFHW very quickly.
we were both already suspicious of her
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Morning all!
I think EFHW is probably Town.
I struggle to see both mcmc and Teproc being Town, and they both sheeped Arch onto EFHW very quickly.
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How many times do I have to say this ? I did not sheep Archetype, I stated that EFHW was a good lynch, didn't switch because I was fine with your lynch as well. When Archetype switched, I did too, but that's not sheeping.
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I don't like that neither Mcmc nor Teproc has reacted to Robz' putting EFHW at L-1 with no comment.
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Nvm, Teproc did
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I just don't believe that Teproc and Mcmc have "figured out" the game so early. It never works that way, it's too easy, I just can't see them both being town, which in turn makes me think EFHW is actually town, and I don't want to see her lynched.
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Morning all!
I think EFHW is probably Town.
I struggle to see both mcmc and Teproc being Town, and they both sheeped Arch onto EFHW very quickly.
we were both already suspicious of her
Why? Because she RVSed you?
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Vote Count 1.6:
Robz888 (1): Jimmmmm
mcmcsalot (2): Nkirbit, EFHW
EFHW (4): Arch, Teproc, mcmc, Robz888
Not Voting (1): TA
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 1 ends at 8:15 p.m. on March 25, 2014.
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Morning all!
I think EFHW is probably Town.
I struggle to see both mcmc and Teproc being Town, and they both sheeped Arch onto EFHW very quickly.
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How many times do I have to say this ? I did not sheep Archetype, I stated that EFHW was a good lynch, didn't switch because I was fine with your lynch as well. When Archetype switched, I did too, but that's not sheeping.
An IC votes for someone. The next two player posts are non-ICs voting for that same person. Looks like sheeping to me.
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vote: Robz
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vote: Robz
Why?
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Morning all!
I think EFHW is probably Town.
I struggle to see both mcmc and Teproc being Town, and they both sheeped Arch onto EFHW very quickly.
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How many times do I have to say this ? I did not sheep Archetype, I stated that EFHW was a good lynch, didn't switch because I was fine with your lynch as well. When Archetype switched, I did too, but that's not sheeping.
An IC votes for someone. The next two player posts are non-ICs voting for that same person. Looks like sheeping to me.
It is if you refuse to read anything in posts other than votes.
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Vote Count 1.7:
Robz888 (2): Jimmmmm, EFHW
mcmcsalot (1): Nkirbit
EFHW (4): Arch, Teproc, mcmc, Robz888
Not Voting (1): TA
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 1 ends at 8:15 p.m. on March 25, 2014.
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vote: Robz
Why?
Again, read posts. She explained it in her latest post. It's almost as if people sometimes said things other than vote:x !
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I'd be cool lynching Nkirbit as well, I don't think there's 3 active scum around right now, almost certainly one in Robz/Nkirbit. I think they're also more likely both scum than both town.
PPE: Yes teproc, but fact is, this is fact moving, reiterating reasons is super helpful, and will cut down on time it takes to read. Making reasons easier to follow = good (if you're town!)
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But an IC supported opinion is certainly a safer one to vote on... I don't know. I just get a bad feeling about you putting out a case and only voting on it when someone agrees with it. It kind of reminds me of Voltgloss in LOTR2 (if you've read that). He spent all of day2 trying out cases until one on Eevee stuck, and only then did he challenge... it looks like you're doing the same thing here.. floating the idea of a EFHW lynch after Jimm's had kind of slowed down (I came out in defense of him, I think at least one other person did), and when Archetype liked it, you followed it up with a vote.
Mcmc is guilty of the same, but I'm less suspicious of him than I am of you, because he's done less buddying (defending an IC.. "He doesn't have to explain his reads...").
I don't get the EFHW wagon. Is there anything other than her entrance being scummy? It looks like a random lynch to me.
I would probably be okay with lynching Robz. He knows he can probably get away without contributing much as either scum or town.. so which one has the incentive to contribute? Town moreso than scum.. so I think it's more likely that this anti-town Robz stuff is coming from scum, because why would town act the way he has?
Still think Jimm is town.
Scum to town:
Teproc > Robz = Mcmc > EFHW > Jimm
vote: Teproc
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Nkirbit's reads echo mine, for the most part.
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Except I don't have Teproc so high. Man this is confusing
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Morning all!
I think EFHW is probably Town.
I struggle to see both mcmc and Teproc being Town, and they both sheeped Arch onto EFHW very quickly.
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How many times do I have to say this ? I did not sheep Archetype, I stated that EFHW was a good lynch, didn't switch because I was fine with your lynch as well. When Archetype switched, I did too, but that's not sheeping.
An IC votes for someone. The next two player posts are non-ICs voting for that same person. Looks like sheeping to me.
It is if you refuse to read anything in posts other than votes.
Jimm has been avoiding addressing the entirety of people's posts/picking out the pieces that follow his line of thinking all game. He is still my top scum read, that combined with robz putting EFHW at L-1(I missed it) and my thinking that robz is scummy is making my rethink EFHW. Robz maintains that bussing scumpartners D1 is a horrible idea, so I think robz or EFHW may need to be scum. I would much rather lynch Jimm today.
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I just get a bad feeling about you putting out a case and only voting on it when someone agrees with it.
Exactly.
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Can people voting EFHW explain to me why they are voting for her?
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Well this whole accusation of buddying the IC is just weird to me. It seems there are two elements to it :
- me saying ICs don't have to explain their reads. That's not buddying... I'm saying how I think the IC role should be played, and I think ICs should not be as open with their reads as they would normally be. I have no clue why pointing this out is buddying, it was more an accusation of EFHW, because she was trying to get info out of the IC. You know, what you're accusing me of doing with the EFHW "sheep"
- The EFHW "sheep". I guess. The thing is : I already voted for her way before Arch did, and stated in very clear terms that she was my preferred lynch a few posts above Arch's vote. I didn't vote at that point because I thought Jimmm was the more likely lynch.
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Jimm has been avoiding addressing the entirety of people's posts/picking out the pieces that follow his line of thinking all game. He is still my top scum read, that combined with robz putting EFHW at L-1(I missed it) and my thinking that robz is scummy is making my rethink EFHW. Robz maintains that bussing scumpartners D1 is a horrible idea, so I think robz or EFHW may need to be scum. I would much rather lynch Jimm today.
I'm not following this part (bolded).
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Jimm has been avoiding addressing the entirety of people's posts/picking out the pieces that follow his line of thinking all game.
Point to where I've done this.
He is still my top scum read, that combined with robz putting EFHW at L-1(I missed it) and my thinking that robz is scummy is making my rethink EFHW. Robz maintains that bussing scumpartners D1 is a horrible idea, so I think robz or EFHW may need to be scum. I would much rather lynch Jimm today.
Do you think I would come out so strongly against Robz if we were both scum?
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I am just getting a much worse feeling from mcmc than I am from teproc.
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Can people voting EFHW explain to me why they are voting for her?
Her entrance was one thing, but mostly it's :
- asking questions to Arch. Scum wants to know what the ICs are thinking so that they can position themselves favorably.
- PoE : I think mcmc is town, EFHW is the most likely in terms of scum trios among the other four.
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Jimm has been avoiding addressing the entirety of people's posts/picking out the pieces that follow his line of thinking all game. He is still my top scum read, that combined with robz putting EFHW at L-1(I missed it) and my thinking that robz is scummy is making my rethink EFHW. Robz maintains that bussing scumpartners D1 is a horrible idea, so I think robz or EFHW may need to be scum. I would much rather lynch Jimm today.
I'm not following this part (bolded).
He doesn't consider they could be town/town? Interesting
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Vote Count 1.8:
Robz888 (2): Jimmmmm, EFHW
EFHW (4): Arch, Teproc, mcmc, Robz888
Teproc (1): Nkirbit
Not Voting (1): TA
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 1 ends at 8:15 p.m. on March 25, 2014.
That's in one hour.
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Can people voting EFHW explain to me why they are voting for her?
Her entrance was one thing, but mostly it's :
- asking questions to Arch. Scum wants to know what the ICs are thinking so that they can position themselves favorably.
- PoE : I think mcmc is town, EFHW is the most likely in terms of scum trios among the other four.
1) I disagree, but oh well
2) This is literally saying absolutely nothing on why EFHW over Robz or Jimmm or Nkirbit.
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My preferred lynches right now are Robz or Mcmc, followed by Teproc or Nkirbit
Vote: Mcmc
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Jimm has been avoiding addressing the entirety of people's posts/picking out the pieces that follow his line of thinking all game. He is still my top scum read, that combined with robz putting EFHW at L-1(I missed it) and my thinking that robz is scummy is making my rethink EFHW. Robz maintains that bussing scumpartners D1 is a horrible idea, so I think robz or EFHW may need to be scum. I would much rather lynch Jimm today.
I'm not following this part (bolded).
He doesn't consider they could be town/town? Interesting
This makes sense if he really thinks I'm town. I'm growing less certain about mcmc, but this is actually a point in his favor to me (in that he's thinking the way a VT looking at 3 scum in 5 people does).
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No, a VT looking for 3 scum in 5 people does not discount the possibility that 2 other people could be VT/VT, leaving scum as Teproc/Jimmm/Nkirbit, unless I'm missing something.
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Vote Count 1.9:
Robz888 (2): Jimmmmm, EFHW
EFHW (4): Arch, Teproc, mcmc, Robz888
Teproc (1): Nkirbit
mcmcsalot (1): TA
Not Voting (0):
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 1 ends at 8:15 p.m. on March 25, 2014.
That's in less than one hour.
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Well this whole accusation of buddying the IC is just weird to me. It seems there are two elements to it :
- me saying ICs don't have to explain their reads. That's not buddying... I'm saying how I think the IC role should be played, and I think ICs should not be as open with their reads as they would normally be. I have no clue why pointing this out is buddying, it was more an accusation of EFHW, because she was trying to get info out of the IC. You know, what you're accusing me of doing with the EFHW "sheep"
- The EFHW "sheep". I guess. The thing is : I already voted for her way before Arch did, and stated in very clear terms that she was my preferred lynch a few posts above Arch's vote. I didn't vote at that point because I thought Jimmm was the more likely lynch.
I actually don't think Teproc's vote was sheeping. I do see the defense of Arch as buddying. The reasoning didn't make sense to me - I'm reacting to something Arch did do. What was he trying to say? I still don't know what he intended with that vote. I also don't know why he is voting me. He jumped to Arch's defense when Arch could have defended himself just fine.
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Twistedarcher: I'm looking at lynching one of EFHW/Teproc/Robz888. I'm not a big fan of the Robz lynch, but I think the Teproc lynch is one we both agree on. I don't mind nkirbit either, but I agree with a lot of his reads too.
PPE: 10
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2) This is literally saying absolutely nothing on why EFHW over Robz or Jimmm or Nkirbit.
It is though. I don't think Jimmm and Robz are very likely to be scum together. This means they're both less likely to be scum overall. I suppose this would put EFHW and nkirbit at the same level, but she's simply scummier than nkirbit in my eyes.
@TA : He does if he has a strong town read.
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- The EFHW "sheep". I guess. The thing is : I already voted for her way before Arch did, and stated in very clear terms that she was my preferred lynch a few posts above Arch's vote. I didn't vote at that point because I thought Jimmm was the more likely lynch.
Yep, that's reasonable. I re-read mcmc and the only thing he'd said about EFHW prior to voting her was asking why she was voting for him if she wasn't sure he was scum. I just re-read you and your vote was a lot more justifiable than mcmc's.
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So why are you actually voting for EFHW, Teproc? I'm not sure.
As a heads up, everyone is a viable lynch at all points in the day in this format. If you want someone to be a viable lynch, make them a viable lycnh. We can't mislynch... push for who you want to get lynched.
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Can people voting EFHW explain to me why they are voting for her?
She opened voting for me with a reason of having a lurky meta and that I have lurked through all my recent games. This is both untrue(adventure time and supermario brothers I was super active) as well as a crappy reason for a vote. I vote people for crappy votes early on because I think scum tries to create artificial reasons to generate a case. She then said she had no idea if I was scum or not which I found silly. Her next few posts are summary style, she references how much confusion is generated from jimm post but doesn't analyze it the way I do, she says she will hold off voting nk "our next major lurker" and then goes back to voting me because "I don't have a case on her" Up untill that point she seems to be posting about how little tim we have and calling out lurkers but not actually doing anything herself, acti-lurking is much more indicative of scum(which is some of what generates a scum read of robz as well)
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So why are you actually voting for EFHW, Teproc? I'm not sure.
As a heads up, everyone is a viable lynch at all points in the day in this format. If you want someone to be a viable lynch, make them a viable lycnh. We can't mislynch... push for who you want to get lynched.
I just spend the last ten posts explaining why I'm voting for her, but I guess you adher to the Jimmmm school of thought when it comes to reading.
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Twistedarcher: I'm looking at lynching one of EFHW/Teproc/Robz888. I'm not a big fan of the Robz lynch, but I think the Teproc lynch is one we both agree on. I don't mind nkirbit either, but I agree with a lot of his reads too.
PPE: 10
Ugh I'm not sure if I agree with this list, I guess our most agreement is Robz. Not a fan of Nkirbit but there's no reason he couldn't be scum. I would like people to move to Mcmc right now
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Jimm has been avoiding addressing the entirety of people's posts/picking out the pieces that follow his line of thinking all game. He is still my top scum read, that combined with robz putting EFHW at L-1(I missed it) and my thinking that robz is scummy is making my rethink EFHW. Robz maintains that bussing scumpartners D1 is a horrible idea, so I think robz or EFHW may need to be scum. I would much rather lynch Jimm today.
I'm not following this part (bolded).
He doesn't consider they could be town/town? Interesting
No they are two of my top scum reads, so its hard for me to see them as both town
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I'll Vote: Robz888. If he's Town, well, he's bringing it upon himself.
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No, a VT looking for 3 scum in 5 people does not discount the possibility that 2 other people could be VT/VT, leaving scum as Teproc/Jimmm/Nkirbit, unless I'm missing something.
I am not discounting it entirely but yes I think a scum team of Teproc/Jimm/Nkirbit is highly unlikely
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So why are you actually voting for EFHW, Teproc? I'm not sure.
As a heads up, everyone is a viable lynch at all points in the day in this format. If you want someone to be a viable lynch, make them a viable lycnh. We can't mislynch... push for who you want to get lynched.
I just spend the last ten posts explaining why I'm voting for her, but I guess you adher to the Jimmmm school of thought when it comes to reading.
Vote: teproc
Actually I want to vote here. this is not town trying to convince other potential townies to get on their side. Teproc, if VT, doesn't know if Nkirbit/Jimmmm are VT, and if he's unsure, he sure as hell wants to convince them to come around to what he believes the correct side is rather than not answering their questions
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Can people voting EFHW explain to me why they are voting for her?
Her entrance was one thing, but mostly it's :
- asking questions to Arch. Scum wants to know what the ICs are thinking so that they can position themselves favorably.
- PoE : I think mcmc is town, EFHW is the most likely in terms of scum trios among the other four.
Here's what EFHW did:
Why Arch? Because I didn't wait for Robz to actually claim IC before calling him out about it?
I would also like to hear more of what Arch was thinking.
(This is the quote we're talking about right?? I did not see anything else).
She was asking Arch to explain more about something.. she never pushed it. I don't think it's an unreasonable question to ask. You want to ask what the IC's are doing to, you know, make sure they're right. Or have reasons. While you can trust IC's, they are working with less info...
But you floated a case out there, waited for an IC to agree with you, and then followed it up with a vote. You didn't vote earlier because... it wasn't viable? Everything is viable at all times here! We can changed a lynch in a matter of minutes, and have in this format. It looks like you didn't push for the lynch you claimed to prefer until you saw an IC was okay with it... and you're accusing someone else of trying to know what the ICs are thinking to correctly position themselves? What?
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I'll Vote: Robz888. If he's Town, well, he's bringing it upon himself.
No, you are. This is Super Mario all over again. Just because RObz is annoying doesn't mean he's scum. I mean he could be here I suppose, but there are much better options.
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So why are you actually voting for EFHW, Teproc? I'm not sure.
As a heads up, everyone is a viable lynch at all points in the day in this format. If you want someone to be a viable lynch, make them a viable lycnh. We can't mislynch... push for who you want to get lynched.
I just spend the last ten posts explaining why I'm voting for her, but I guess you adher to the Jimmmm school of thought when it comes to reading.
Well one extreme is to make sure you've read and re-read everything thoroughly before posting each time to make sure you don't possibly make a mistake. Sounds like a great way to have low involvement. I'd rather engage with people and have them engage with me, even if it means repeating themselves. I did re-read both you and mcmc after commenting.
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Nkirbit vote teproc
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So why are you actually voting for EFHW, Teproc? I'm not sure.
As a heads up, everyone is a viable lynch at all points in the day in this format. If you want someone to be a viable lynch, make them a viable lycnh. We can't mislynch... push for who you want to get lynched.
I just spend the last ten posts explaining why I'm voting for her, but I guess you adher to the Jimmmm school of thought when it comes to reading.
Vote: teproc
Actually I want to vote here. this is not town trying to convince other potential townies to get on their side. Teproc, if VT, doesn't know if Nkirbit/Jimmmm are VT, and if he's unsure, he sure as hell wants to convince them to come around to what he believes the correct side is rather than not answering their questions
Eh. I'll sheep the IC.
Vote: Teproc
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So why are you actually voting for EFHW, Teproc? I'm not sure.
As a heads up, everyone is a viable lynch at all points in the day in this format. If you want someone to be a viable lynch, make them a viable lycnh. We can't mislynch... push for who you want to get lynched.
I just spend the last ten posts explaining why I'm voting for her, but I guess you adher to the Jimmmm school of thought when it comes to reading.
Vote: teproc
Actually I want to vote here. this is not town trying to convince other potential townies to get on their side. Teproc, if VT, doesn't know if Nkirbit/Jimmmm are VT, and if he's unsure, he sure as hell wants to convince them to come around to what he believes the correct side is rather than not answering their questions
Eh. I'll sheep the IC.
Vote: Teproc
You wanted him before I know, but do you see what I'm seeing here?
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Teproc, here's what I've found about why you originally voted for EFHW:
Actually I think EFHW might be better than Jimmmm, because I can see a EFHW/Robz/nkirbit team existing. Not as likely as EFHW/nkirbit/Jimmmmm but pretty good. And I'm pretty sure Robz/Jimmmmm/nkirbit can't really be a thing : it would mean Robz called a scumteam that has two of his partners in it, which doesn't make a lot of sense with white flag.
I understand this is pretty speculative, but the setup really calls for this kind of thinking, at least from a VT standpoint.
Nothing in this posts suggests why you're voting for EFHW instead of, say, me. Or why a EFHW/Robz/nkirbit team is something you can see existing. For all I know, you're throwing darts at a dartboard and coming up with these team names.
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Twistedarcher: I'm looking at lynching one of EFHW/Teproc/Robz888. I'm not a big fan of the Robz lynch, but I think the Teproc lynch is one we both agree on. I don't mind nkirbit either, but I agree with a lot of his reads too.
PPE: 10
Ugh I'm not sure if I agree with this list, I guess our most agreement is Robz. Not a fan of Nkirbit but there's no reason he couldn't be scum. I would like people to move to Mcmc right now
If I move to mcmc now, I will probably be lynched, so I'll have to wait to see if more people join.
PPE: TA why are you telling people how to vote?
Suddenly I'm way behind. Let me catch up
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Nkirbit vote teproc
I already am, I believe.
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I'll Vote: Robz888. If he's Town, well, he's bringing it upon himself.
No, you are. This is Super Mario all over again. Just because RObz is annoying doesn't mean he's scum. I mean he could be here I suppose, but there are much better options.
Teproc/Robz888?
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Vote Count 1.10:
Robz888 (2): Jimmmmm, EFHW
EFHW (3): Teproc, mcmc, Robz888
Teproc (3): Nkirbit, TA, Arch
Not Voting (0):
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 1 ends at 8:15 p.m. on March 25, 2014.
That's in less than one hour.
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Can people voting EFHW explain to me why they are voting for her?
Her entrance was one thing, but mostly it's :
- asking questions to Arch. Scum wants to know what the ICs are thinking so that they can position themselves favorably.
- PoE : I think mcmc is town, EFHW is the most likely in terms of scum trios among the other four.
Here's what EFHW did:
Why Arch? Because I didn't wait for Robz to actually claim IC before calling him out about it?
I would also like to hear more of what Arch was thinking.
(This is the quote we're talking about right?? I did not see anything else).
She was asking Arch to explain more about something.. she never pushed it. I don't think it's an unreasonable question to ask. You want to ask what the IC's are doing to, you know, make sure they're right. Or have reasons. While you can trust IC's, they are working with less info...
But you floated a case out there, waited for an IC to agree with you, and then followed it up with a vote. You didn't vote earlier because... it wasn't viable? Everything is viable at all times here! We can changed a lynch in a matter of minutes, and have in this format. It looks like you didn't push for the lynch you claimed to prefer until you saw an IC was okay with it... and you're accusing someone else of trying to know what the ICs are thinking to correctly position themselves? What?
So what, I was just posturing when I already voted for EFHW earlier ? And when I voted for Jimmmm before Arch did (I think ? Maybe I didn't, I'll have to check). I have no idea how what I did can be seen as sheeping. I might have underestimated how quickly wagons move in these games, but to be fair this is my first time playing blitz, so there.
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Because I want to get Teproc lynched! I am flippity flopping but I dunno. I have bad feelings about both Mcmc and teproc now, Mcmc is more of a gut scum read but I don't like how Teproc doesn't take the time to do something that would clearly be in his best interest if he was town..
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I'm kind of skimming, but I saw something that was scummy from mcmc. I'm thinking mcmc, personally.
Vote: mcmcsalot
I voted for EFHW so that I didn't get lynched and she's kind of scummy, but I don't know her play kind of reminds of that Star Wars game where she was town.
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His first couple of posts aside, I don't know what to make of Robz. His craziness seems to be reminiscent of what we got from him a year or so ago, when he seemed to be deliberately crazy when Town so that he could get away with it when scum.
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I'm kind of skimming, but I saw something that was scummy from mcmc. I'm thinking mcmc, personally.
Vote: mcmcsalot
I voted for EFHW so that I didn't get lynched and she's kind of scummy, but I don't know her play kind of reminds of that Star Wars game where she was town.
Details?
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vote: Teproc
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So why are you actually voting for EFHW, Teproc? I'm not sure.
As a heads up, everyone is a viable lynch at all points in the day in this format. If you want someone to be a viable lynch, make them a viable lycnh. We can't mislynch... push for who you want to get lynched.
I just spend the last ten posts explaining why I'm voting for her, but I guess you adher to the Jimmmm school of thought when it comes to reading.
Vote: teproc
Actually I want to vote here. this is not town trying to convince other potential townies to get on their side. Teproc, if VT, doesn't know if Nkirbit/Jimmmm are VT, and if he's unsure, he sure as hell wants to convince them to come around to what he believes the correct side is rather than not answering their questions
Eh. I'll sheep the IC.
Vote: Teproc
You wanted him before I know, but do you see what I'm seeing here?
Not grumbling! The sheeping the IC was a joke.
I see your point. Teproc appears as wanting the ICs to trust him.
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@TA : Don't do this ! Seriously, don't ! I'm frustrated with Jimmmm and nkirbit not reading my posts AND I think they're probably scum.
PPE : 6
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His first couple of posts aside, I don't know what to make of Robz. His craziness seems to be reminiscent of what we got from him a year or so ago, when he seemed to be deliberately crazy when Town so that he could get away with it when scum.
Shoot, I was hoping no one would remember that game
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Of course I want ICs to trust me ! How else are we going to lynch scum ?
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His first couple of posts aside, I don't know what to make of Robz. His craziness seems to be reminiscent of what we got from him a year or so ago, when he seemed to be deliberately crazy when Town so that he could get away with it when scum.
That's kind of how I feel... I don't know. On one hand, I kind of think Robz would be more serious if town to try and win.. but on the other, I don't think Robz is above throwing a game as a towny to try and help a scum game later.
It's really annoying and I wish that it wouldn't happen, but if we lynch Robz we have to be okay with the chance that it's a guess. I think he's probably 60% chance to flip scum.. and I think Teproc is way likelier to flip scum, so I think Teproc's a great choice today.
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His first couple of posts aside, I don't know what to make of Robz. His craziness seems to be reminiscent of what we got from him a year or so ago, when he seemed to be deliberately crazy when Town so that he could get away with it when scum.
Shoot, I was hoping no one would remember that game
Man Robz I wish you would just play towards this game's win condition, that comment makes no sense as town OR as scum
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His first couple of posts aside, I don't know what to make of Robz. His craziness seems to be reminiscent of what we got from him a year or so ago, when he seemed to be deliberately crazy when Town so that he could get away with it when scum.
That's kind of how I feel... I don't know. On one hand, I kind of think Robz would be more serious if town to try and win.. but on the other, I don't think Robz is above throwing a game as a towny to try and help a scum game later.
It's really annoying and I wish that it wouldn't happen, but if we lynch Robz we have to be okay with the chance that it's a guess. I think he's probably 60% chance to flip scum.. and I think Teproc is way likelier to flip scum, so I think Teproc's a great choice today.
I'm not trying to throw the game, I promise.
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TA, I don't think it's true at all that I'm not trying to get Jimmmm and nkirbit to vote for scum if they're town. WHy else did I spend a bunch of posts responding to nkirbit asking about my case on EFHW ?
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vote: Teproc
Unvote.
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Totally playing toward my win con, we should lynch mcmc.
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@TA : Don't do this ! Seriously, don't ! I'm frustrated with Jimmmm and nkirbit not reading my posts AND I think they're probably scum.
PPE : 6
What post would you like me to read? Give me post numbers and I'll read them.
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His first couple of posts aside, I don't know what to make of Robz. His craziness seems to be reminiscent of what we got from him a year or so ago, when he seemed to be deliberately crazy when Town so that he could get away with it when scum.
Shoot, I was hoping no one would remember that game
It was certainly more than one game. It was incredibly frustrating. I think the best example was probably Galz' Noir game.
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TA, I don't think it's true at all that I'm not trying to get Jimmmm and nkirbit to vote for scum if they're town. WHy else did I spend a bunch of posts responding to nkirbit asking about my case on EFHW ?
Why do you think they're scum rather than misled town?
PPE: Robz explain re:Mc please
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Dear God this can't be happening. I'm pretty sure we freaking got the scum team and you guys are going to lynch me for no reason.
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@TA : Don't do this ! Seriously, don't ! I'm frustrated with Jimmmm and nkirbit not reading my posts AND I think they're probably scum.
PPE : 6
What post would you like me to read? Give me post numbers and I'll read them.
You've since responded to that. But initially you implied I didn't give any reasons to lynch EFHW when I had, numerous times.
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His first couple of posts aside, I don't know what to make of Robz. His craziness seems to be reminiscent of what we got from him a year or so ago, when he seemed to be deliberately crazy when Town so that he could get away with it when scum.
Shoot, I was hoping no one would remember that game
It was certainly more than one game. It was incredibly frustrating. I think the best example was probably Galz' Noir game.
Oh, sorry I read your post too quickly. When I said "I was hoping no one would remember that game," I thought you were referring to a blitz game that I deliberately played crazy, when I was scum.
Not a game where I tried to lose. I never do that. I didn't do that in Galz's Noir, I just made a huge, huge mistake in that game.
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Dear God this can't be happening. I'm pretty sure we freaking got the scum team and you guys are going to lynch me for no reason.
How are you so sure we hvae the scumteam D1? No one ever solves the scum team D1, unless you're Shraeye
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TA, I don't think it's true at all that I'm not trying to get Jimmmm and nkirbit to vote for scum if they're town. WHy else did I spend a bunch of posts responding to nkirbit asking about my case on EFHW ?
Why do you think they're scum rather than misled town?
PPE: Robz explain re:Mc please
I think they're scum because I think mcmc is town, and Jimmmm/nkirbit looks like a logical scum pairing, with nkirbit defending Jimmmm when things lookes rough for him. I suppose one of them coulb be VT (probably nkirbit) and Robz be the other scum, but it's unlikely in my eyes.
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Vote Count 1.11:
Robz888 (1): Jimmmmm
EFHW (2): Teproc, mcmc
Teproc (3): Nkirbit, TA, EFHW
mcmcsalot (1):/ Robz888
Not Voting (1): Archetype
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 1 ends at 8:15 p.m. on March 25, 2014.
That's in less than 45 minutes.
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vote: Teproc
Unvote.
Again, you act like you are saying something without saying what it is. What is the value of being cryptic like this?
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Dear God this can't be happening. I'm pretty sure we freaking got the scum team and you guys are going to lynch me for no reason.
How are you so sure we hvae the scumteam D1? No one ever solves the scum team D1, unless you're Shraeye
I don't know, the lynch pool is super small from my PoV, and I've been feeling confident about my reads after getting a lot of things right on day 1 of Super Mario (wrong about scotty and chairs, right about Walrus and Jimmm and I flip-flopped on ash).
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This, from mcmc, is a post that doesn't make sense to me. He thinks either me or EFHW has to be scum, so he wants to lynch Jimm? Not consistent.
Morning all!
I think EFHW is probably Town.
I struggle to see both mcmc and Teproc being Town, and they both sheeped Arch onto EFHW very quickly.
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How many times do I have to say this ? I did not sheep Archetype, I stated that EFHW was a good lynch, didn't switch because I was fine with your lynch as well. When Archetype switched, I did too, but that's not sheeping.
An IC votes for someone. The next two player posts are non-ICs voting for that same person. Looks like sheeping to me.
It is if you refuse to read anything in posts other than votes.
Jimm has been avoiding addressing the entirety of people's posts/picking out the pieces that follow his line of thinking all game. He is still my top scum read, that combined with robz putting EFHW at L-1(I missed it) and my thinking that robz is scummy is making my rethink EFHW. Robz maintains that bussing scumpartners D1 is a horrible idea, so I think robz or EFHW may need to be scum. I would much rather lynch Jimm today.
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Dear God this can't be happening. I'm pretty sure we freaking got the scum team and you guys are going to lynch me for no reason.
How are you so sure we hvae the scumteam D1? No one ever solves the scum team D1, unless you're Shraeye
It's much easier in Blitz though.
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vote: Teproc
Unvote.
Again, you act like you are saying something without saying what it is. What is the value of being cryptic like this?
I'll explain it for you : you have shown no interest in lynching me, and now you vote for me with no reasoning. This is because you're scum trying to get a mislynch through hoping no one will even notice it.
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Robz, Jimm was my top scum read, seperatly EFHW and you are High scum reads, I think that scum robz does not put his partner at L-1 so I think only one of you is scum.
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vote: Teproc
Unvote.
Again, you act like you are saying something without saying what it is. What is the value of being cryptic like this?
I'll explain it for you : you have shown no interest in lynching me, and now you vote for me with no reasoning. This is because you're scum trying to get a mislynch through hoping no one will even notice it.
I expressed interest in lynching you in the same post I stated willingness to vote Robz - the same one you pointed out to someone when they said I voted without a reason. I'll find and quote it.
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unvote my scum read of EFHW has lessened quite a bit, mainly due to robz increased scumminess
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unvote my scum read of EFHW has lessened quite a bit, mainly due to robz increased scumminess
OMGUS?
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vote: Teproc
Unvote.
Again, you act like you are saying something without saying what it is. What is the value of being cryptic like this?
I'll explain it for you : you have shown no interest in lynching me, and now you vote for me with no reasoning. This is because you're scum trying to get a mislynch through hoping no one will even notice it.
I expressed interest in lynching you in the same post I stated willingness to vote Robz - the same one you pointed out to someone when they said I voted without a reason. I'll find and quote it.
I believe you. Things are going pretty fast and I think you're scum anyway, but you probably did, I just missed it because things are going fast, sorry.
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Everyone remember not to vote right out of the gate tomorrow if we get it wrong. Scum can coordinate triple hammer.
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I'm cool with lynching Teproc. Arch, interested in your thoughts.
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I will vote for whoever the ICs tell me to so we can get a lynch, but I feel best about mcmc personally.
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unvote my scum read of EFHW has lessened quite a bit, mainly due to robz increased scumminess
OMGUS?
TA, I don't think Teproc is scum.
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Vote Count 1.12:
Robz888 (1): Jimmmmm
EFHW (1): Teproc
Teproc (3): Nkirbit, TA, EFHW
mcmcsalot (1): Robz888
Not Voting (2): Archetype, mcmcsalot
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 1 ends at 8:15 p.m. on March 25, 2014.
That's in less than 45 minutes.
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I guess I see your case Teproc. I just really disagree with the point on EFHW with regards to Archetype, and the second point is vague vague vague. "I just think EFHW is in the most scum trios..?" come on.. I could say that about anyone. Unless you back it up, it just looks like an attempt to accuse someone without having anything else to say.
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unvote my scum read of EFHW has lessened quite a bit, mainly due to robz increased scumminess
OMGUS?
no he is just acting more scummy and EFHW is acting less scummy...
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I guess I see your case Teproc. I just really disagree with the point on EFHW with regards to Archetype, and the second point is vague vague vague. "I just think EFHW is in the most scum trios..?" come on.. I could say that about anyone. Unless you back it up, it just looks like an attempt to accuse someone without having anything else to say.
It's not that vague though, it's honestly what I think, because Robz/Jimmm is so unlikely in my eyes.
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I would be okay with mcmc, but I don't think that Robz's case is anything. Like.. if you think "there's one scum in these two people".. that's not a great reason to vote in blitz, because you already know, "There's 3 scum in these 5 people!"
I'm still willing to vote over his sheeping onto EFHW... but would prefer Teproc.
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I would be okay with mcmc, but I don't think that Robz's case is anything. Like.. if you think "there's one scum in these two people".. that's not a great reason to vote in blitz, because you already know, "There's 3 scum in these 5 people!"
I'm still willing to vote over his sheeping onto EFHW... but would prefer Teproc.
It is in fact a very bad reason to vote, since if you think that, you have better odds lynching randomly in the other three.
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My hunch-based scumteam is mcmc, nkirbit, someone.
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Vote Count 1.13:
Robz888 (1): Jimmmmm
EFHW (1): Teproc
Teproc (3): Nkirbit, TA, EFHW
mcmcsalot (1): Robz888
Not Voting (2): Archetype, mcmcsalot
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 1 ends at 8:15 p.m. on March 25, 2014.
That's in less than 30 minutes.
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I guess I see your case Teproc. I just really disagree with the point on EFHW with regards to Archetype, and the second point is vague vague vague. "I just think EFHW is in the most scum trios..?" come on.. I could say that about anyone. Unless you back it up, it just looks like an attempt to accuse someone without having anything else to say.
It's not that vague though, it's honestly what I think, because Robz/Jimmm is so unlikely in my eyes.
Why do you think robz/jimm is unlikely? neither has put the other in excessive danger.
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I would be okay with mcmc, but I don't think that Robz's case is anything. Like.. if you think "there's one scum in these two people".. that's not a great reason to vote in blitz, because you already know, "There's 3 scum in these 5 people!"
I'm still willing to vote over his sheeping onto EFHW... but would prefer Teproc.
It is in fact a very bad reason to vote, since if you think that, you have better odds lynching randomly in the other three.
which is why I would rather lynch jimm
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Mcmsalot: how is EFHW less scummy?
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I guess I see your case Teproc. I just really disagree with the point on EFHW with regards to Archetype, and the second point is vague vague vague. "I just think EFHW is in the most scum trios..?" come on.. I could say that about anyone. Unless you back it up, it just looks like an attempt to accuse someone without having anything else to say.
It's not that vague though, it's honestly what I think, because Robz/Jimmm is so unlikely in my eyes.
Why do you think robz/jimm is unlikely? neither has put the other in excessive danger.
I think Jimmm wouldn't have insisted on RObz if they were partners. He was getting pressure from it, he would have just dropped it I think.
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At this point, I'm fine with lynching Robz, whatever, even mcmc, at least I know my lynch is 100% wrong.
I would inifinitely prefer the other three though.
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I won't lynch Jimm or EFHW.
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I won't lynch Jimm or EFHW.
Well yeah, bussing on day 1 is usually bad ;)
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I'll lynch anyone.
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Crap, I used a smiley, now Robz is going to want to lynch me. I didn't mean to !
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Arch I need you to explain why not Teproc
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I'll lynch anyone.
Let's get a wagon on TA.
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Vote: Tep... no, no... must resist... Vote: mcmcsalot
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Mcmsalot: how is EFHW less scummy?
I guess there is not much aside for robz acting scummy and me thinking there is no way they are both scum
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vote: Teproc
Unvote.
Again, you act like you are saying something without saying what it is. What is the value of being cryptic like this?
I'll explain it for you : you have shown no interest in lynching me, and now you vote for me with no reasoning. This is because you're scum trying to get a mislynch through hoping no one will even notice it.
I expressed interest in lynching you in the same post I stated willingness to vote Robz - the same one you pointed out to someone when they said I voted without a reason. I'll find and quote it.
I believe you. Things are going pretty fast and I think you're scum anyway, but you probably did, I just missed it because things are going fast, sorry.
Thank you. I did find it, but won't clutter the thread with an unnecessary quote.
But I still don't see what Archetype was trying to say with his unvote in response to my vote.
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Vote: Tep... no, no... must resist... Vote: mcmcsalot
Was that a hammer?
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Vote: Tep... no, no... must resist... Vote: mcmcsalot
Was that a hammer?
Not even close. Unless you mean the vote on me if that would count, but I think it would only be L-1.
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Vote: Tep... no, no... must resist... Vote: mcmcsalot
Was that a hammer?
Not even close. Unless you mean the vote on me if that would count, but I think it would only be L-1.
Teproc: reads. Go!
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Arch I am stalled out until you answer. Please please for the love of god answer.
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Well we have 10 minutes.
I think I still prefer mcmc over Teproc. I get a scummy vibe from Teproc's latest posts of exasperation and "We had it all figured out!" My reaction is, this makes sense from scum since scum know exactly how they feel about where things seem to be headed. But it could definitely come from Town as well, especially in a game like this where every lynch is so important.
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Arch I need you to explain why not Teproc
I agree... it's getting late in the day to hide reads.
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We have 20 Jimmm.
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Vote: Tep... no, no... must resist... Vote: mcmcsalot
Was that a hammer?
Not even close. Unless you mean the vote on me if that would count, but I think it would only be L-1.
right, duh, Arch unvoted. I think it would have counted though. Controversial to say the least.
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Vote: Tep... no, no... must resist... Vote: mcmcsalot
Was that a hammer?
Not even close. Unless you mean the vote on me if that would count, but I think it would only be L-1.
Teproc: reads. Go!
Ok.
Jimmm, EFHW and nkirbit are scum. RObz and mcmc are town.
I think the other alternative is that I'm completely wrong about everything, which means mcmc is scum. IN which case his partners are... nkirbit and Robz ?
I should be voting nkirbit.
vote : nkirbit
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Well we have 10 minutes.
I think I still prefer mcmc over Teproc. I get a scummy vibe from Teproc's latest posts of exasperation and "We had it all figured out!" My reaction is, this makes sense from scum since scum know exactly how they feel about where things seem to be headed. But it could definitely come from Town as well, especially in a game like this where every lynch is so important.
This is a great thing for Jimm to say if he is mcmc's partner. This is exactly what he would do. Lightly bus mcmc when he estimates it's too late to actually lynch mcmc.
Prove him wrong. Vote for mcmc!
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We have 20 Jimmm.
Oh, right you are. I was thinking the deadline was on the hour.
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Well we have 10 minutes.
I think I still prefer mcmc over Teproc. I get a scummy vibe from Teproc's latest posts of exasperation and "We had it all figured out!" My reaction is, this makes sense from scum since scum know exactly how they feel about where things seem to be headed. But it could definitely come from Town as well, especially in a game like this where every lynch is so important.
This is a great thing for Jimm to say if he is mcmc's partner. This is exactly what he would do. Lightly bus mcmc when he estimates it's too late to actually lynch mcmc.
Prove him wrong. Vote for mcmc!
Prove me wrong?
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I'll trust Arch and Vote: Mcmc but dude Arch please explain
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Well we have 10 minutes.
I think I still prefer mcmc over Teproc. I get a scummy vibe from Teproc's latest posts of exasperation and "We had it all figured out!" My reaction is, this makes sense from scum since scum know exactly how they feel about where things seem to be headed. But it could definitely come from Town as well, especially in a game like this where every lynch is so important.
I'll say this : if I'm lynched here, it'll be the first time I'm lynched "live" and it wasn't a foregone conclusion. Star Wars and Hangman I was completely out of the game, and in DoP I was lynched in my sleep.
It's not a good feeling.
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Arch I am stalled out until you answer. Please please for the love of god answer.
Totally missed it.
Teproc seems so sincere in his posts but this:
Crap, I used a smiley, now Robz is going to want to lynch me. I didn't mean to !
I won't lynch Jimm or EFHW.
Well yeah, bussing on day 1 is usually bad ;)
is scummy. I was waiting for his reads. But now we've got them (whatever they may mean as scum)
Vote: Teproc
PPE: 7
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Well, if this is what you guys need not to lynch me :
vote : mcmc
At least I'll be vindicated and you'll listen to me if he flips town.
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I dunno those are pretty null to me. What did you see before?
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Well, if this is what you guys need not to lynch me :
vote : mcmc
At least I'll be vindicated and you'll listen to me if he flips town.
you won't be vindicated...in fact maintaining a town red on me through voting will make you look more scummy...
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Ugh, Arch. I'm just tired and I get jokey when I'm tired.
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I could also totally lynch Robz, still.
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Well, if this is what you guys need not to lynch me :
vote : mcmc
At least I'll be vindicated and you'll listen to me if he flips town.
you won't be vindicated...in fact maintaining a town red on me through voting will make you look more scummy...
I'm 100% sure I'm town. I'm only like 80% sure you are. If you're the only alternative, of course I'll lynch you, and you're the only person with two votes other than me.
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Well, if this is what you guys need not to lynch me :
vote : mcmc
At least I'll be vindicated and you'll listen to me if he flips town.
you won't be vindicated...in fact maintaining a town red on me through voting will make you look more scummy...
I don't think so. Voting for anyone else is always better than getting lynched yourself, and that's true for both alignments.
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I really think Teproc is town, guys.
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I could also totally lynch Robz, still.
What do you make of his recent activity?
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I really think Teproc is town, guys.
When did this change from "I'll lynch anyone"?
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Jimm/mcmc/nkirbit is my guess! Feeling stronger and stronger about it.
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vote: robz his recent activity is scummy from my perspective and I think he is a likely partner to jimm my other large scum read.
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Vote count please! I'm totally lost.
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I really think Teproc is town, guys.
When did this change from "I'll lynch anyone"?
Well Teproc has posted increasingly desperately and townie since then.
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Dear God this can't be happening. I'm pretty sure we freaking got the scum team and you guys are going to lynch me for no reason.
I would be okay with mcmc, but I don't think that Robz's case is anything. Like.. if you think "there's one scum in these two people".. that's not a great reason to vote in blitz, because you already know, "There's 3 scum in these 5 people!"
I'm still willing to vote over his sheeping onto EFHW... but would prefer Teproc.
It is in fact a very bad reason to vote, since if you think that, you have better odds lynching randomly in the other three.
There's other things -- but It seems to me that he's trying to get the whole Town to like him. If your Town, you want to appear friendly to everyone so that they'll unvote you. I've done it myself as Town to hopefully get people to unvote me, but those other quotes I pulled make me think he's given up and is just joking around, not fighting to stay alive.
PPE: 11
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I really think Teproc is town, guys.
When did this change from "I'll lynch anyone"?
Well Teproc has posted increasingly desperately and townie since then.
Yeah. This.
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Vote count would definitely be nice!
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I don't think I'd be willing to switch to Robz. Teproc > Mcmc > Robz.
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I really think Teproc is town, guys.
When did this change from "I'll lynch anyone"?
Well Teproc has posted increasingly desperately and townie since then.
Yeah. This.
I do kinda agree with this, as well. He reminds me of myself the first time I was mislynched.
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Vote Count 1.14:
Robz888 (1): Jimmmmm
Teproc (3): Nkirbit, EFHW, arch
mcmcsalot (3): Robz888, TA, Teproc
Not Voting (1): mcmcsalot
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 1 ends at 8:15 p.m. on March 25, 2014.
That's in less than 15 minutes.
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Interesting how we've completely flipped the wagons, not sure what to make of it, but man
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unvote
Both RObz and mcmc have two votes on them now I think. I'll go for RObz to save my skin (or get a shot at it) if I have to, but I don't like it either.
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Vote: mcmc seems best. I don't like any of his stances this game; I don't like his reasoning on me, or on EFHW, or his sheep of Arch onto EFHW, or his "Robz' scumminess is increasing so EFHW's is decreasing". That's L-1.
PPE: L-2.
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Yeah, ash missed mcmc's vote on Robz, they're both at two votes. Problem is : if I vote RObz he will vote me for self-preseration as well...
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Well in that case, I'll put mcmc back at L-1. Sorry mcmc :(
vote: mcmcsalot
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Interesting how we've completely flipped the wagons, not sure what to make of it, but man
Looking back at the EFHW vote, mcmsalot seemed to have sheeped me more than Teproc.
PPE: Almost voted mcmcsalot.
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Ugh I don't like this.. we should be lynching Teproc. He pushed a bad EFHW wagon all day... and is getting out of it because he genuinely sounds like he doesn't want to get lynched?
Town doesn't want to get lynched, but neither does scum! It sucks to get lynched either way!
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EFHW is not a bad wagon, it's the best wagon we've had all day.
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We've got like 7 minutes, folks.
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Efhw IS a bad wagon.
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Efhw IS a bad wagon.
Since when do you think that ? I guess I missed it ?
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Efhw IS a bad wagon.
Since when do you think that ? I guess I missed it ?
When I figured out the scumteam was mcmc, Jimm, nkirbit.
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Efhw IS a bad wagon.
Wait... why did you vote to put EFHW at L-1 then?
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If Nkirbit/Mcmc are partners, Nkirbit hammers there....
I'm cool with Mcmc. Not feeling great anywhere and feeling like we're gonna lynch town regardless, but someone has to go.
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Didn't Robz put EFHW at L-1 at some point ? Or am I completely misremembering things ?
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Efhw IS a bad wagon.
Wait... why did you vote to put EFHW at L-1 then?
THAT WAS LIKE A MILLION YEARS AGO
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Yeah, he did...
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Efhw IS a bad wagon.
Since when do you think that ? I guess I missed it ?
When I figured out the scumteam was mcmc, Jimm, nkirbit.
Congratulations.
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*crosses fingers*
Vote: mcmcsalot
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Here we goooo!
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No quick votes tomorrow if this was wrong, rememer! Scum can quickhammer
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LOCKED.
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Final Day 1 Vote Count:
Robz888 (1): mcmc
Teproc (2): Nkirbit, EFHW
mcmcsalot (5): Robz888, TA, Jimmmm, Teproc, Archetype
Not Voting (0):
With 8 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
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The Admiral pressed the button to address the cadets. "It seems you have decided. Tell me, which one of you do you believe to be a Formic-controlled clone?"
The members of the team pointed in unison at the one they called mcmcsalot.
"I see. Archetype, pick up that hammer there, on the side table by the bunk. Yes, that one. Smash in mcmcsalot's head to see if you are correct. Beware, any human blood on your hands...may never wash off."
Archetype looked terrified, but didn't dare deny a direct order. He approached mcmcsalot from behind and raised the hammer.
"Go ahead." The Admiral didn't budge.
Archetype brought the hammer down hard, and felt it rebound off of mcmcsalot's head with a loud clank. mcmcsalot turned and snarled, then dove at him with hands outstretched. Just before he reached Archetype, Twistedarcher knocked him out of the way, and mcmcsalot's hands closed around his throat with frightening strength.
"No!" The Admiral's voice was heard over the intercom. He slammed his hand down on the red kill switch, deactivating the mcmcsalot clone. But it was too late. Twistedarcher was dead.
mcmcsalot, the mafia goon, has been lynched!
Twistedarcher, the Innocent Child, has been vengekilled!
Day 2 begins. It ends in 24 hours.
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Ha!
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Hell yes!!! Okay now I'm an IC for reelz.
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I'm off for the night. Be back tomorrow.
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Well that's cool.
Sorry TA.
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So is Teproc.
PPE.
Okay, frustrated scum. Have a good night!
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Hell yes!!! Okay now I'm an IC for reelz.
Nice try.
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Ok....
Well, I can only apologize for my horrible, horrible read.
This changes a lot. Ok, I'll have to reread tomorrow, I'm going to bed. Good night everyone, please don't lynch me quite yet !
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Hell yes!!! Okay now I'm an IC for reelz.
Nice try.
Nope, I'm serious. But you can't afford to let me have that, scum.
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I do think RObz is pretty close to an IC yes. He's among the first voters on mcmc right ? ANd the only reason I voted for him was because he had two votes. So yeah.
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I suggest that everyone (including Mr. IC Robz) reads the events leading up to the end of the previous day. With the way the wagon completely swung over, we should be able to find a second scum fairly easily.
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I think nkirbit is a very, very safe bet, but yes, that's a good idea Arch.
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Hell yes!!! Okay now I'm an IC for reelz.
Nice try.
Nope, I'm serious. But you can't afford to let me have that, scum.
I don't buy it either. That was exhausting. I'll check in later before bed. There's lots to analyze now, that's for sure!
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Hell yes!!! Okay now I'm an IC for reelz.
Nice try.
Nope, I'm serious. But you can't afford to let me have that, scum.
Meh. Based on Yesterday's events you're not the first person I'd look at lynching.
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I mean this
I'm off for the night. Be back tomorrow.
today is super scummy. No thoughts, not a one, before he leaves? That's because he has to discuss how to handle this with his scum buddy.
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Okay, re-read mcmc.
My first thought is the EFHW is probably Town. mcmc's willingness to follow Arch and Teproc into voting for her would seem unlikely if they were scumpartners. Having said that, I wouldn't completely rule out, say, mcmc/Teproc/EFHW, with a coordinated change onto EFHW in order to keep the two of them safe in the event the EFHW lynch goes through. Seems reasonably unlikely, so for now I'm happy to treat EFHW as probTown.
Which leaves me with 2 scum in Robz, nkirbit and Teproc. The first one that jumps out is obviously Teproc - the two have been working pretty closely together. In fact, mcmc/Robz/nkirbit seems fairly unlikely given that Robz is pushing for an nkirbit lynch. The question is then - would mcmc and Teproc be willing to work together as much as they have if they were scumpartners?
Another question - the three people mcmc accused the most (maybe the only 3 people he accused?) were me, EFHW and Robz. Would mcmc be gutsy enough to only accuse Townies? I'm not sure.
Regardless, no matter how I look at it, I come back to Teproc being scum.
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Ok, so obviously I look like obvscum now. That's fine, if I have to get lynched today, I'm okay with that, because I believe my flip should make things pretty clear.
- Robz is town. mcmc completely got me to believe he was town, and the only way I was going to vote for him was if he was the alternate lynch. This happened because Robz and TA were both voting mcmc. Had Robz been mcmc's partner, he'd probably have moved his vote at some point there. Not only that, but once under pressure, mcmc votes for Robz, briefly presenting me with an option where I could choose to vote for one of them. This doesn't make a lot of sense if they're partners.
- nkirbit is scum. I'm not going to vote because I guess I could be wrong about everything again and I don't want a quickhammer to happen, but I will almost certainly be voting for nkirbit today, and probably no one else. When TA was saying that one of mcmc and me must be scum, he was the one who managed to change TA's mind and get my wagon going. He's also off-wagon. Oh, and the whole of day 1 I was all about lynching one of Jimmmm, EFHW, nkirbit, but never went for nkirbit because mcmc didn't seem to follow me there. Yeah.
Then there's the EFHW/Jimmm conundrum. One of them is town, the other is scum I believe. I'm leaning towards EFHW being scum because Jimmmm is the third vote on mcmc, ie the one that mades me go back to him, and mcmc was on wagons on both... I don't know, I also lean on EFHW being scum because I find her play more scummy, but I'm just glad we don't have to figure out the third scum, we can just lynch nkirbit.
Feel free to lynch me first, because I'm sure all of this can easily be countered by theories like a Teproc/Robz/mcmc scumteam or whatever, but nkirbit should be lynched next for the win.
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I don't want a quickhammer to happen, but I will almost certainly be voting for nkirbit today, and probably no one else.
That's not really a concern Today, since 2 Town votes need to be down before scum can quickhammer, and that would be pretty incriminating for Tomorrow.
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I don't want a quickhammer to happen, but I will almost certainly be voting for nkirbit today, and probably no one else.
That's not really a concern Today, since 2 Town votes need to be down before scum can quickhammer, and that would be pretty incriminating for Tomorrow.
Oh right, that was if we lynched town, which I thought we were going to...
vote: nkirbit then.
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Vote Count 2.1:
nkirbit (1): Teproc
Not Voting (5): Robz888, Jimmmmm, EFHW, Archetype, nkirbit
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Day 2 ends at 8:20 p.m. on March 26.
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Ok. We are in great shape. Scum is on the run. At this point, I still want to lynch Teproc. I see there is a lot of interest in nkirbit. I don't really feel persuaded by the case on him, but I haven't reread him yet. I'll be interested to see how he plays today. I have a bit more time than yesterday, so that will help.
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Yeah, I agree with Teproc. I would like to re-read tomorrow, and then I expect to heavily push for nkirbit. (And watch the scum among Jimm/EFHW squirm!)
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I mean re-read yesterday, today.
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Okay, I re-read everything.
Still quite convinced it's nkirbit and Jimm.
Teproc has got to be town. He was going down in such a flailing townie manner. Also, I didn't notice his sniping the first time around:
So why are you actually voting for EFHW, Teproc? I'm not sure.
As a heads up, everyone is a viable lynch at all points in the day in this format. If you want someone to be a viable lynch, make them a viable lycnh. We can't mislynch... push for who you want to get lynched.
I just spend the last ten posts explaining why I'm voting for her, but I guess you adher to the Jimmmm school of thought when it comes to reading.
Vote: teproc
Actually I want to vote here. this is not town trying to convince other potential townies to get on their side. Teproc, if VT, doesn't know if Nkirbit/Jimmmm are VT, and if he's unsure, he sure as hell wants to convince them to come around to what he believes the correct side is rather than not answering their questions
I think the exact opposite of what TA said is true, at least in this case. Town Tep is legit frustrated that people aren't reading his posts. Scum Tep would welcome another opportunity to explain his position and posture himself.
Also, his reluctant support for the mcmc lynch read oddly sincere to me, like he truly didn't think it was going to be a good lynch. It can be really hard to judge things like this, but for my money, that was a genuine reaction.
I also think, based on re-read, that Teproc and Jimm are unlikely to be the same alignment, but that's not such a guarantee.
Anyway, I really think nkirbit, followed by Jimm, will be a town win, probably immediately but tomorrow at the latest.
Vote: Nkirbit
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Uh, okay guys, well let's not coast SO much. Deadline in just a few hours away and I don't know how much longer I'll be here to tell you why you're wrong if you dare to disagree with me.
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Robz your case on nkirbit seems to be based on feelings. Is there more?
vote: Teproc
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Robz your case on nkirbit seems to be based on feelings. Is there more?
vote: Teproc
No, it's not really based on feeling, he's just the logical partner for mcmc.
Why on earth would you vote for Teproc after everything I just said?
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No more votes please until I reread.
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I'm here, and will be here for the rest of the night. Glad Robz agrees, I guess we'll see what Arch has to say.
I don't have much more to say myself to be honest. I'm fairly certain nkirbit is scum with one of Jimmmm/EFHW because there's no way Robz is scum based on him making mcmc the only alternative lynch for me, which was the only scenario in which I would have voted mcmc. nkirbit is clearly mcmc's partner from my point of view : he was the one who managed to change TA's mind on who the scum was between mcmc and me, he was by far the lowest poster around, which I think is a scum trait in this setup (I know TA expressed disagreement of this, maybe it was an IRL thing, but even in the last few hours where he was clearly here, he was less present on the thread than everyone else).
Actually let's build a case on him, since my PoE is not helpful to anyone.
People should just ignore robz until he starts being serious.
vote: mcmc. I think he was the worst offender of jumping on Jimm for voting robz initially
This is after Robz self-voted, EFHW was at L-2 at that point I believe, and this was the first vote on mcmc. I'm going by memory here, some of these could be slightly incorrect and it's hard to check it like this, but the point is : this was not a threatening vote on mcmc.
As per above, I'm fine with that.
vote: EFHW
Why are you voting EFHW?
Archetype doesn't have to explain his vote if he doesn't want to. That's true. But you should keep in mind.. Archetype has less info than all of the VTs in the game, because he knows one less alignment. So while it's fine to follow ICs a little in terms of letting them lead the game, their reads aren't necessarily any better. So I think that if Archetype wants other people to vote EFHW, he should explain his read. If he wants to sandbag to gather info, that's fine too.
Teproc, I guess? I dunno. I'm getting concerned about his buddying with archetype.. Especially his efhw vote immediately after archs in which arch gave no reason.
But an IC supported opinion is certainly a safer one to vote on... I don't know. I just get a bad feeling about you putting out a case and only voting on it when someone agrees with it. It kind of reminds me of Voltgloss in LOTR2 (if you've read that). He spent all of day2 trying out cases until one on Eevee stuck, and only then did he challenge... it looks like you're doing the same thing here.. floating the idea of a EFHW lynch after Jimm's had kind of slowed down (I came out in defense of him, I think at least one other person did), and when Archetype liked it, you followed it up with a vote.
Mcmc is guilty of the same, but I'm less suspicious of him than I am of you, because he's done less buddying (defending an IC.. "He doesn't have to explain his reads...").
[SNIP]
Scum to town:
Teproc > Robz = Mcmc > EFHW > Jimm
vote: Teproc
Those are his next few posts, which I believe are all engineered based on TA's read that one of mcmc and me had to be scum, but he leaned town on me. This is nkirbit identifying the risk, and subtly buddying TA by basically saying that he's right, one of us is scum, and yeah is probably mcmc... but wait, it's actually Teproc, don't you see ?
Nothing here is scummy in vacuum, it's just very damning with mcmc's flip. Now of course my whole play D1 is also damning with mcmc's flip, but you know, that's not very relevant to me.
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No more votes please until I reread.
I suggest you re-read soon, then, because this stance will have the unintended effect of stifling discussion, I imagine.
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Then he insinuates a few times that I haven't given any reasoning for my vote on EFHW, which was blatantly false and tilted me a little because Jimmmm did the same thing initially (see the quote in Robz's post above). This, by the way, proves to be what makes TA change his mind about me.
Then he switches gears and says I put a case out there and only voted once an IC (Arch) voted on it, which is true and can certainly be seen as scummy, yes. What's interesting here is that this good case on me only comes out of him way after he voted for me, it's not what made him vote for me in the first place. Basically he already knows he wants to lynch me, he's just trying to convince other people to join him. Which can be explained by town tunneling, sure, but is also consistent with nkirbit being scum.
I would be okay with mcmc, but I don't think that Robz's case is anything. Like.. if you think "there's one scum in these two people".. that's not a great reason to vote in blitz, because you already know, "There's 3 scum in these 5 people!"
I'm still willing to vote over his sheeping onto EFHW... but would prefer Teproc.
"I'm totally fine with lynching my partner, but let's not."
I won't lynch Jimm or EFHW.
The more I think about it, the more I think EFHW is nkirbit's scumbuddy here. He defended Jimmmm when Jimmmm looked bad to set up a mislynch in case he flipped, but then went chainsaw defense on EFHW by targeting me and mcmc (his scumbuddy I know, but the chainsaw defense still works here : he discredits the wagon by saying people on the wagon are scum).
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Vote Count 2.2:
nkirbit (2): Teproc, Robz888
Teproc (1): EFHW
Not Voting (5): Jimmmmm, Archetype, nkirbit
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Day 2 ends at 8:20 p.m. on March 26.
That is in 3 hours.
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We'll be lynching nkirbit.
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We'll be lynching nkirbit.
Sweet !
Now we just need whoever of EFHW/Jimmm is town (Jimmmm would be my guess) to agree and I think we win.
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Vote: mcmc seems best. I don't like any of his stances this game; I don't like his reasoning on me, or on EFHW, or his sheep of Arch onto EFHW, or his "Robz' scumminess is increasing so EFHW's is decreasing". That's L-1.
PPE: L-2.
Jimmmm is Town.
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Ugh I don't like this.. we should be lynching Teproc. He pushed a bad EFHW wagon all day... and is getting out of it because he genuinely sounds like he doesn't want to get lynched?
Town doesn't want to get lynched, but neither does scum! It sucks to get lynched either way!
Mcmcsalot at L-1. Nkirbit is Mafia.
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I think nkirbit has a high chance of being scum.
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I can't decide if the second Mafia is Robz, EFHW, or Teproc. My gut read, the same one I got when he was about to be lynched, says Teproc is Town. Plus he passed the test I did above with nkirbit (however if nkirbit is Town, Teproc is outta here). I could see Robz starting a Mcmcsalot wagon, realizes that it's picking up speed, but stays on Mcmcsalot for the cred. That leaves EFHW. Which makes sense when you look at this post:
Mcmsalot: how is EFHW less scummy?
I guess there is not much aside for robz acting scummy and me thinking there is no way they are both scum
So I'm calling a nkirbit/mcmcsalot/EFHW team. And if I'm wrong about nkirbit, the following day shouldn't be too difficult.
Vote: nkirbit
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(Pssst! Jimmmmm! You can have the hammer!)
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Wait wait wait!
If everyone is saying nkirbit is scum, how is it possible that he actually is?
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I'm here, I'm reading.
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Wait wait wait!
If everyone is saying nkirbit is scum, how is it possible that he actually is?
Like, what's his partner doing? Who is it who knows they're about to lose if nkirbit gets lynched and are letting it go through anyway.
I'm entirely aware that Robz will say it's me and that's why I'm saying this, but I'm not really talking to Robz here.
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Wait wait wait!
If everyone is saying nkirbit is scum, how is it possible that he actually is?
EFHW is his partner.
I mean, maybe I'm wrong again, in which case it's unfortunate because we'll be at lylo (right ?) and I'll be lynched, but I'm pretty sure this is right.
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Wait wait wait!
If everyone is saying nkirbit is scum, how is it possible that he actually is?
Very possibly? EFHW and you are against it, and 2 of the 3 of you, EFHW, and nkirbit are scum. So very possibly.
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Wait wait wait!
If everyone is saying nkirbit is scum, how is it possible that he actually is?
Pretty likely. If I'm wrong we still have tomorrow.
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And the "but everyone is saying it" argument is terrible here anyway, even if everyone was saying it. I remember a Blitz game where Galz (as scum) had to go as far as hammering his partner (for the loss) by misprinting the vote so it would deliberately not be counted.
Scum are in a pickle. It should not be surprising to have them vocally support a bus, even actually support a bus, while looking for outs. And that's not even what's happening!
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Wait wait wait!
If everyone is saying nkirbit is scum, how is it possible that he actually is?
Like, what's his partner doing? Who is it who knows they're about to lose if nkirbit gets lynched and are letting it go through anyway.
I'm entirely aware that Robz will say it's me and that's why I'm saying this, but I'm not really talking to Robz here.
Hmm okay, I guess EFHW is a possibility. I had thought she'd said she would lynch nkirbit Today, but I guess not.
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Jimmmmm, vote.
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Wait wait wait!
If everyone is saying nkirbit is scum, how is it possible that he actually is?
Very possibly? EFHW and you are against it, and 2 of the 3 of you, EFHW, and nkirbit are scum. So very possibly.
I'm not against it per se, in fact I'm considering just hammering. But if everyone is pushing for it, as I thought they were, then that would be somewhat of a concern.
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Wait wait wait!
If everyone is saying nkirbit is scum, how is it possible that he actually is?
Very possibly? EFHW and you are against it, and 2 of the 3 of you, EFHW, and nkirbit are scum. So very possibly.
I'm not against it per se, in fact I'm considering just hammering. But if everyone is pushing for it, as I thought they were, then that would be somewhat of a concern.
I don't think it would be a concern. Would love to see that hammer.
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Jimmmmm, vote.
See, my problem is, if nkirbit is Town and you go along with Robz' plan to lynch me Tomorrow, we lose. I realise that's a concern I'd have if scum, but you must realise that's a concern I'd have as Town as well.
If nkirbit is Town, what are you thinking for Tomorrow?
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Jimmmmm, vote.
See, my problem is, if nkirbit is Town and you go along with Robz' plan to lynch me Tomorrow, we lose. I realise that's a concern I'd have if scum, but you must realise that's a concern I'd have as Town as well.
If nkirbit is Town, what are you thinking for Tomorrow?
Jimmmmm, we aren't lynching anyone else today. I want you to hammer to speed things up.
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Jimmmmm, vote.
See, my problem is, if nkirbit is Town and you go along with Robz' plan to lynch me Tomorrow, we lose. I realise that's a concern I'd have if scum, but you must realise that's a concern I'd have as Town as well.
If nkirbit is Town, what are you thinking for Tomorrow?
I don't know. I'd start to get paranoid about Robz probably, but eventually lynch EFHW or you. I don't really know, it would call for another reread.
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Jimmmmm, vote.
See, my problem is, if nkirbit is Town and you go along with Robz' plan to lynch me Tomorrow, we lose. I realise that's a concern I'd have if scum, but you must realise that's a concern I'd have as Town as well.
If nkirbit is Town, what are you thinking for Tomorrow?
Jimmmmm, we aren't lynching anyone else today. I want you to hammer to speed things up.
Alright. Vote: nkirbit
If he's scum so is EFHW; otherwise it's Teproc and Robz.
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If nkirbit is town, I mean I think we will at least have a discussion about you/EFHW. It's not like an auto-lynch situation, although I lean toward thinking you are scum, and would not lynch Tep under any circumstance.
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Robz isn't off the table either.
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Okay... so EFHW was the last, OR it's Jimm/EFHW.
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Scum want to fess up that they lost?
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Well nkirbit should be here.
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If nkirbit is town, I mean I think we will at least have a discussion about you/EFHW. It's not like an auto-lynch situation, although I lean toward thinking you are scum, and would not lynch Tep under any circumstance.
Well of course we have a discussion. I think in the event that nkirbit is Town the battle lines are pretty clearly drawn between you and Teproc and me and EFHW.
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He said he was reading. If he was town, he'll be pretty mad when he catches up...
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If nkirbit is town, I mean I think we will at least have a discussion about you/EFHW. It's not like an auto-lynch situation, although I lean toward thinking you are scum, and would not lynch Tep under any circumstance.
Well of course we have a discussion. I think in the event that nkirbit is Town the battle lines are pretty clearly drawn between you and Teproc and me and EFHW.
New info means the "battle lines" could change. I don't know if EFHW/Jimmmm is a pairing that even makes sense to be honest.
But anyway, I'm pretty sure we won.
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Yeah, I'm scum. We needed the Teproc lynch to go through yesterday.. maybe a lynch on Robz for being anti-town would have been a better bet.
Teproc, I wasn't lurking because I was posting in my QT.. I was lurking because I was busy. I was a little bit annoyed at TA yesterday about that.. he asked me to play a board game with him.. and after the game, voted me for lurking! I wasn't posting because he had asked me to play a game with him!
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And mcmc wasn't posting because he was busy playing League of Legends with TA.. TA's strategy was to find the scum, convince them to play games with him, and get them accused of lurking :P (Although I don't think mcmc ever really got accused of lurking).
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Hooray! :)
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Wooooooooooo!
Is your partner EFHW?
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Yay!
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he asked me to play a board game with him.. and after the game, voted me for lurking!
Hahaha! Brilliant IC is brilliant.
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nkirbit : I did get the sense from TA's answer that IRL reasons explained your relative lurkiness, but even then, you weren't as quick to answer in the last few hours.
ANyway, you guys got very unlucky, because obviously mcmc completely got me and didn't deserve getting lynched with me on wagon... I think TA and Robz deserve the cred there, for making mcmc my only option.
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Bwahaha, Another win for my "Seek IC status" strategy. Sorry, haters.
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Getting scum day one is so important.. I don't think I've ever seen a game where scum get lynched day1 and win.. I never really stood a chance today.
I got off for the night because I had spent the previous ~3 hours staring at mafia.. it wasn't anything other than that. I just didn't want to spend anymore time looking at a forum page last night.
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The last few hours of day 1 I mean.
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Wooooooooooo!
Is your partner EFHW?
Well, looks like that's a yes.
Good job team!
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Bwahaha, Another win for my "Seek IC status" strategy. Sorry, haters.
And for self-voting... Ugh.
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Bwahaha, Another win for my "Seek IC status" strategy. Sorry, haters.
Well you have to admit my "Robz is trying to seek IC status" argument was at the very least a fine and useful tool for Town.
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The last few hours of day 1 I mean.
Oh. I was playing hearthstone, so that's probably why :P.
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Getting scum day one is so important.. I don't think I've ever seen a game where scum get lynched day1 and win.. I never really stood a chance today.
I got off for the night because I had spent the previous ~3 hours staring at mafia.. it wasn't anything other than that. I just didn't want to spend anymore time looking at a forum page last night.
I think though that was a mistake. Lynching scum creates an excited feeling in a townie, if you had even said something like Yay! Okay need to take a break now, it would have been different. Your post came off as calculated and frustrated.
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Bwahaha, Another win for my "Seek IC status" strategy. Sorry, haters.
But it's sooooo annoying. I would have happily lynched you!
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Bwahaha, Another win for my "Seek IC status" strategy. Sorry, haters.
But it's sooooo annoying. I would have happily lynched you!
I know. But it helps me. It's this irritating thing that other people have to respond to. It helps me figure things out, that's why I do it.
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I guess so.
It really was that I didn't have fun this game, I guess. I had stopped playing mafia for a bit because it hadn't been fun for a few days, but I felt more obligated to read the thread and post than excited about it.. so this may be my last game.
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I guess so.
It really was that I didn't have fun this game, I guess. I had stopped playing mafia for a bit because it hadn't been fun for a few days, but I felt more obligated to read the thread and post than excited about it.. so this may be my last game.
:(
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I guess so.
It really was that I didn't have fun this game, I guess. I had stopped playing mafia for a bit because it hadn't been fun for a few days, but I felt more obligated to read the thread and post than excited about it.. so this may be my last game.
:/
I, on the other hand, found this incredibly fun. Day 1 was the most fun I've had playing this game (even if I had been lynched). This setup is awesome. H
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I guess so.
It really was that I didn't have fun this game, I guess. I had stopped playing mafia for a bit because it hadn't been fun for a few days, but I felt more obligated to read the thread and post than excited about it.. so this may be my last game.
:/
I, on the other hand, found this incredibly fun. Day 1 was the most fun I've had playing this game (even if I had been lynched). This setup is awesome. H
I was being sincere when I said that no one's off the table in this format, btw.
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I guess so.
It really was that I didn't have fun this game, I guess. I had stopped playing mafia for a bit because it hadn't been fun for a few days, but I felt more obligated to read the thread and post than excited about it.. so this may be my last game.
:/
I, on the other hand, found this incredibly fun. Day 1 was the most fun I've had playing this game (even if I had been lynched). This setup is awesome. H
I was being sincere when I said that no one's off the table in this format, btw.
With wagons building up super quick you mean ? Yeah, I didn't expect that, it was pretty impressive in those last few hours.
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Bwahaha, Another win for my "Seek IC status" strategy. Sorry, haters.
But it's sooooo annoying. I would have happily lynched you!
I know. But it helps me. It's this irritating thing that other people have to respond to. It helps me figure things out, that's why I do it.
Well, you didn't actually have "things" figured out, just enough things to win the game. :P
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Bwahaha, Another win for my "Seek IC status" strategy. Sorry, haters.
But it's sooooo annoying. I would have happily lynched you!
I know. But it helps me. It's this irritating thing that other people have to respond to. It helps me figure things out, that's why I do it.
Well, you didn't actually have "things" figured out, just enough things to win the game. :P
2/3 is all you need, thankfully
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I guess so.
It really was that I didn't have fun this game, I guess. I had stopped playing mafia for a bit because it hadn't been fun for a few days, but I felt more obligated to read the thread and post than excited about it.. so this may be my last game.
:/
I, on the other hand, found this incredibly fun. Day 1 was the most fun I've had playing this game (even if I had been lynched). This setup is awesome. H
I was being sincere when I said that no one's off the table in this format, btw.
With wagons building up super quick you mean ? Yeah, I didn't expect that, it was pretty impressive in those last few hours.
Those last few hours were, like, the most fun I've had with straight-up scumhunting.
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Bwahaha, Another win for my "Seek IC status" strategy. Sorry, haters.
But it's sooooo annoying. I would have happily lynched you!
I know. But it helps me. It's this irritating thing that other people have to respond to. It helps me figure things out, that's why I do it.
Well, you didn't actually have "things" figured out, just enough things to win the game. :P
2/3 is all you need, thankfully
Wait, what ? Are you saying Jimmmm was the last scum ? Because otherwise we did have EFHW next in line.
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Bwahaha, Another win for my "Seek IC status" strategy. Sorry, haters.
But it's sooooo annoying. I would have happily lynched you!
I know. But it helps me. It's this irritating thing that other people have to respond to. It helps me figure things out, that's why I do it.
Well, you didn't actually have "things" figured out, just enough things to win the game. :P
2/3 is all you need, thankfully
Wait, what ? Are you saying Jimmmm was the last scum ? Because otherwise we did have EFHW next in line.
Robz had me next in line.
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I'm saying, I probably would have gone for Jimm next, even though EFHW is evidently the last scum. So I only really got mcmc and nkirbit. But that's all you need.
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I was so scared when you suspected me for the jokey posts Arch, btw. I knew they would sound weird when I posted them (because I'm rarely this jokey around here), but I was just in that mood (it being 1 in the morning, too).
@Robz : Oh, I see, I thought you had EFHW next.
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I'm saying, I probably would have gone for Jimm next, even though EFHW is evidently the last scum. So I only really got mcmc and nkirbit. But that's all you need.
Can't be bothered going back to look... why did you think I was scum again?
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Admiral Hersky looked around his office, having noticed that Counselor Ma Il Mi hadn't said a word, and realized he had left without doing a damn thing. He'll need to be fired, he thought to himself.
He saw that the cadets had chosen to remove the one they called nkirbit. He pressed the talk button. "Jimmmmm, grab the hammer and find out if you've chosen correctly."
Jimmmmm didn't hesitate. The hammer clanked hard against the cyborg's skull, and the Admiral was quick to press the kill switch. He flipped off the EFHW cyborg as well.
"Congratulations, cadets. Now, let's see how you do in the Battle Room."
nkirbit has been lynched! He was a mafia goon.
EFHW waves the white flag.
Town wins flawlessly!
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I'm saying, I probably would have gone for Jimm next, even though EFHW is evidently the last scum. So I only really got mcmc and nkirbit. But that's all you need.
Can't be bothered going back to look... why did you think I was scum again?
Interactions with mcmc.
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MVP: Teproc. There was a lot of good town play, but Teproc was most impressive on Day 1.
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Speccy: http://quicktopic.com/50/H/CAuiMFpC6wXP
Mafia: http://quicktopic.com/50/H/aWp2ZpsVh6eV
Mod: http://quicktopic.com/50/H/77BGZQHhTNMkf
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MVP: Teproc. There was a lot of good town play, but Teproc was most impressive on Day 1.
Really? Insisting that mcmc was Town?
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MVP: Teproc. There was a lot of good town play, but Teproc was most impressive on Day 1.
What ?
I was so deeply, deeply wrong about mcmc, I would never have lynched him if the circumstances hadn't been just right.
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MVP: Teproc. There was a lot of good town play, but Teproc was most impressive on Day 1.
Really? I think I would go Archetype for supporting mcmc lynch and then staying firm on nkirbit. Unwavering self-faith is the most important townie characteristic, I have discovered recently.
I think Teproc's incredibly townie near-death experience was very helpful, though not really intentional.
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I mean, or myself, I did correctly insist on mcmc and nkirbit. I guess I could be knocked down for making everyone mad, though.
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Do people still love this setup?
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I do!
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Teproc was right on track at the very beginning, and his willingness to listen to others and switch to mcmc is something we're all sorely lacking as "sure" town.
I mean, Robz and Arch (and TA) did really well. All of town was great. Teproc stood out to me as the mod watching the game.
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Do people still love this setup?
Best setup ever.
@Robz : It was intentional : I was trying not to be lynched !
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Do people still love this setup?
I do. Blitz is still hard for me due to time differences though.
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Teproc was right on track at the very beginning, and his willingness to listen to others and switch to mcmc is something we're all sorely lacking as "sure" town.
I mean, Robz and Arch (and TA) did really well. All of town was great. Teproc stood out to me as the mod watching the game.
But I think recognizing that Teproc was town, as Arch and I did, is demonstrating better play than Teproc acting townie.
But that's fine with me. Just glad to win.
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I agree with Robz, Arch would probably be my choice here. But I don't care, I'm never going to get a scum MVP, so I'll take a town one !
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I'm starting to feel like I am actually good at being town. I have lynched a whole lot of scum lately.
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mcmc in the scum QT :
"Teproc - great reads on me"
Ahem. I have great reads on you when you're town ! Which I'm never going to believe again !
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Spectator MVP: yuma
He PMed me the entire scum team like 20 posts into the game.
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Do people still love this setup?
Still rocks!
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Heh. Heh. Yeah sorry I was kind of busy starting wot mafia.
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yuma, was the flavor good enough for you as far as Ender goes?
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I've read the Ender cycle as well. I didn't pay a lot of attention to it though, let's take a look.
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I've read the Ender cycle as well. I didn't pay a lot of attention to it though, let's take a look.
This is basically set at Battle School before Ender was born, and with made up bad guys.
Actually, it's anachronistic, because no one knews the formics could communicate, so having "formic controlled" humans doesn't make sense before Ender destoys them anyway. And even then, formics couldn't control humans so much as just have them on their side.
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Fie on you all! Take that! and that! You are all now free floating completely frozen in zero gravity miles from the wall.
This was my first time with this setup, and I did not fully appreciate how crucial the first day is. Basically, whichever team lost a player Day 1 would have a very hard time winning.
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Fie on you all! Take that! and that! You are all now free floating completely frozen in zero gravity miles from the wall.
This was my first time with this setup, and I did not fully appreciate how crucial the first day is. Basically, whichever team lost a player Day 1 would have a very hard time winning.
You have played this setup before! When spirit bears and nkirbit were ics!
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I love the setup but feel its very tilted towards town. They have a 50% chance of winning on random lynch and will likely do better than random.
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Fie on you all! Take that! and that! You are all now free floating completely frozen in zero gravity miles from the wall.
This was my first time with this setup, and I did not fully appreciate how crucial the first day is. Basically, whichever team lost a player Day 1 would have a very hard time winning.
I don't recall if we've had a team lose a player on D1 and win. Maybe.
If you get the mislynch here (say Teproc), you're still at lylo with an IC alive, so you have 2 VT vs 2 scum. It's really hard.
This ends up with a lot of flawless victories.
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Is the name of the insect guys really the "formics" in English ? Ugh. I read them in French because my English wasn't good enough back then (I must have been 13 or something), I like the French name a lot better (Doryphores).
I think it works fine, although I might have had the ICs be authority figures. Or have the IC be Ender himself, the whole point is that his innocence is what allows him to get things right although I suppose that doesn't work with two ICs. I'm realizing now that I don't remember many details about the books, I should probably see the movie at some point.
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Fie on you all! Take that! and that! You are all now free floating completely frozen in zero gravity miles from the wall.
This was my first time with this setup, and I did not fully appreciate how crucial the first day is. Basically, whichever team lost a player Day 1 would have a very hard time winning.
Sorry, EFHW! I came back and read the thread, and didn't know what the hell to do, and was still thinking about a plan when they lynched me!
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Fie on you all! Take that! and that! You are all now free floating completely frozen in zero gravity miles from the wall.
This was my first time with this setup, and I did not fully appreciate how crucial the first day is. Basically, whichever team lost a player Day 1 would have a very hard time winning.
You have played this setup before! When spirit bears and nkirbit were ics!
There is a faint remnant of a memory there. I guess I was town?
Town has better than 50/50 chance if you think about the 3 VT's actually having a 60% chance of lynching correctly.
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I love the setup but feel its very tilted towards town. They have a 50% chance of winning on random lynch and will likely do better than random.
Yeah, I agree, I think this setup favors town... but I think a lot of our regular setups favor scum, so I'm fine with it.
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Fie on you all! Take that! and that! You are all now free floating completely frozen in zero gravity miles from the wall.
This was my first time with this setup, and I did not fully appreciate how crucial the first day is. Basically, whichever team lost a player Day 1 would have a very hard time winning.
Sorry, EFHW! I came back and read the thread, and didn't know what the hell to do, and was still thinking about a plan when they lynched me!
Me too. I reread it, and threw up my hands in despair.
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I love the setup but feel its very tilted towards town. They have a 50% chance of winning on random lynch and will likely do better than random.
I've run it 6 times and it's split 3/3. Both times SFS ran it, the mafia won.
So it feels tilted, but remember:
--2 ICs have worse reads than everyone else mathematically
--daychat is strong, especially if they can coordinate hammers
Delayed IC announcements strengthens town too much. ICs being Masons is basically delayed IC annoucements with extra chatting, which strengthens town too much. Scum choosing ICs add too much politics to the game, I think. Those have been modifications we've tried.
I think the original, which I didn't create of course, is still the best. Could it be improved? Probably. We just haven't found out how yet.
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Spectator MVP: yuma
He PMed me the entire scum team like 20 posts into the game.
;D
yuma, was the flavor good enough for you as far as Ender goes?
I thought so, yes!
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What's the delayed IC announcements thing ? You only say who they are 12 hours in ?
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Is the name of the insect guys really the "formics" in English ? Ugh. I read them in French because my English wasn't good enough back then (I must have been 13 or something), I like the French name a lot better (Doryphores).
I think it works fine, although I might have had the ICs be authority figures. Or have the IC be Ender himself, the whole point is that his innocence is what allows him to get things right although I suppose that doesn't work with two ICs. I'm realizing now that I don't remember many details about the books, I should probably see the movie at some point.
Yeah, they call them Buggers first, then Formics more formally. It comes from how they resemble ants (le formiche in Italian, for example).
The movie was good, not great, but I enjoyed it.
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If you took away the vengekill and 1 of the ICs, would it be too hard for town? Probably...
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What's the delayed IC announcements thing ? You only say who they are 12 hours in ?
They decide when they want to be announced.
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Yeah I get the formic thing (ant = fourmi in French), it's way too on the nose for me, but that's probably because the connection is super obvious in French, whereas it's not in English.
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Is the name of the insect guys really the "formics" in English ? Ugh. I read them in French because my English wasn't good enough back then (I must have been 13 or something), I like the French name a lot better (Doryphores).
I think it works fine, although I might have had the ICs be authority figures. Or have the IC be Ender himself, the whole point is that his innocence is what allows him to get things right although I suppose that doesn't work with two ICs. I'm realizing now that I don't remember many details about the books, I should probably see the movie at some point.
Yeah, they call them Buggers first, then Formics more formally. It comes from how they resemble ants (le formiche in Italian, for example).
The movie was good, not great, but I enjoyed it.
I don't like to see movies of books I've read. They never match what I imagined well enough, and they have to leave so much out. The only exception was the first book of Harry Potter. That movie was really faithful to the book.
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If you took away the vengekill and 1 of the ICs, would it be too hard for town? Probably...
Probably.
The VK is always an IC, because you don't want to remove a VT from the mislynch pool. By adding a VT to the pool, you don't even need the VK.
At 3 v 4+1, you only need 2 mislynches anyway. Hit scum D1, you are at 2 v 4+1 with 1/3 chance of hitting scum of 2 v 3+1 with a 2/3 chance of hitting scum. You are really reducing town's chances there.
If you really think this setup favors town, this is definitely a nerf. But man, that's a tough drop.
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I was so upset for Ender the first time I read the book. That was terrible to trick him into genocide like that.
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Is the name of the insect guys really the "formics" in English ? Ugh. I read them in French because my English wasn't good enough back then (I must have been 13 or something), I like the French name a lot better (Doryphores).
I think it works fine, although I might have had the ICs be authority figures. Or have the IC be Ender himself, the whole point is that his innocence is what allows him to get things right although I suppose that doesn't work with two ICs. I'm realizing now that I don't remember many details about the books, I should probably see the movie at some point.
Yeah, they call them Buggers first, then Formics more formally. It comes from how they resemble ants (le formiche in Italian, for example).
The movie was good, not great, but I enjoyed it.
I don't like to see movies of books I've read. They never match what I imagined well enough, and they have to leave so much out. The only exception was the first book of Harry Potter. That movie was really faithful to the book.
You know, I was actually really happy with Fellowship of the Ring. Didn't expect to be so content with the adaptation, but I was.
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I was so upset for Ender the first time I read the book. That was terrible to trick him into genocide like that.
Understatement of the year.
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@EFHW : I used to think that (as a kid I worshipped Tolkien and only begrundgingly admitted that the movies were half-decent, and even then, what's up with those elves in Helm's Deep ?), but I guess I'm fine with it now. The problem I have with movie adaptations is they take away my imagination : I can't think of Harry/Ron/Hermione without seeing the actor's faces, which feels less personal than when you just imagine them yourselves, but I don't mind movies not being 100% faithful now.
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Yeah, I don't know what else you could do though. Definitely make the IC delayed in that case. It's probably just too hard on town though.
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Is the name of the insect guys really the "formics" in English ? Ugh. I read them in French because my English wasn't good enough back then (I must have been 13 or something), I like the French name a lot better (Doryphores).
I think it works fine, although I might have had the ICs be authority figures. Or have the IC be Ender himself, the whole point is that his innocence is what allows him to get things right although I suppose that doesn't work with two ICs. I'm realizing now that I don't remember many details about the books, I should probably see the movie at some point.
Yeah, they call them Buggers first, then Formics more formally. It comes from how they resemble ants (le formiche in Italian, for example).
The movie was good, not great, but I enjoyed it.
I don't like to see movies of books I've read. They never match what I imagined well enough, and they have to leave so much out. The only exception was the first book of Harry Potter. That movie was really faithful to the book.
You know, I was actually really happy with Fellowship of the Ring. Didn't expect to be so content with the adaptation, but I was.
I thought Frodo was too young looking. Sam was perfect, though.
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@EFHW : I used to think that (as a kid I worshipped Tolkien and only begrundgingly admitted that the movies were half-decent, and even then, what's up with those elves in Helm's Deep ?), but I guess I'm fine with it now. The problem I have with movie adaptations is they take away my imagination : I can't think of Harry/Ron/Hermione without seeing the actor's faces, which feels less personal than when you just imagine them yourselves, but I don't mind movies not being 100% faithful now.
I feel the same way about the movie characters taking over your imagination. I think that did happen with Harry Potter. Luckily the actors were so well cast, they looked like I expected. Not Lupin or Mr. Weasley, though, and I've gone back to my own pictures of them since.
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@EFHW : I used to think that (as a kid I worshipped Tolkien and only begrundgingly admitted that the movies were half-decent, and even then, what's up with those elves in Helm's Deep ?), but I guess I'm fine with it now. The problem I have with movie adaptations is they take away my imagination : I can't think of Harry/Ron/Hermione without seeing the actor's faces, which feels less personal than when you just imagine them yourselves, but I don't mind movies not being 100% faithful now.
I feel the same way about the movie characters taking over your imagination. I think that did happen with Harry Potter. Luckily the actors were so well cast, they looked like I expected. Not Lupin or Mr. Weasley, though, and I've gone back to my own pictures of them since.
I have no idea how I thought of them before seeing the movies (I think I had read the first three when I saw the first movie), but I know movie!Snape looks nothing like I imagined him. He's great, but I kind of wish I could still remember that mental image.
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I love the setup but feel its very tilted towards town. They have a 50% chance of winning on random lynch and will likely do better than random.
I've run it 6 times and it's split 3/3. Both times SFS ran it, the mafia won.
So it feels tilted, but remember:
--2 ICs have worse reads than everyone else mathematically
--daychat is strong, especially if they can coordinate hammers
Delayed IC announcements strengthens town too much. ICs being Masons is basically delayed IC annoucements with extra chatting, which strengthens town too much. Scum choosing ICs add too much politics to the game, I think. Those have been modifications we've tried.
I think the original, which I didn't create of course, is still the best. Could it be improved? Probably. We just haven't found out how yet.
I still like my Best Friends version. SFS ran it and scum ended up winning.
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Wouldn't best friends just operate the same as hidden ICs? Scum can't counterclaim it...
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Bwahaha, Another win for my "Seek IC status" strategy. Sorry, haters.
That's not why town won.
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Very fun game to follow. Happy I ended up being right in the speccy about 2/3 scum (I had EFHW/nkirbit/Jimmmmm), but yuma was incredible.
Very surprised my gut-read "EFHW is so scum" was actually right for once. But I guess the odds say one should be eventually...
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Bwahaha, Another win for my "Seek IC status" strategy. Sorry, haters.
That's not why town won.
(http://images.lolstream.com/assets/media_show/730__26b39d3bb54f5551eb7197b883c8ab4a.jpg)
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Very surprised my gut-read "EFHW is so scum" was actually right for once. But I guess the odds say one should be eventually...
Yeah, it's hard to evaluate how good reads etc are when half of the suspects are scum
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Wouldn't best friends just operate the same as hidden ICs? Scum can't counterclaim it...
Yeah, but they don't have to auto claim.
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Wouldn't best friends just operate the same as hidden ICs? Scum can't counterclaim it...
Yeah, but they don't have to auto claim.
Neither do hidden ICs.
The "problem" with alternate versions (delayed ICs, masons, best friends) is that they are all basically the same theme: town PRs that are confirmed town upon claiming because mafia can't risk the counterclaim. So then it's just a game of timing the claim to see how people react to everyone.
I think we'd have to re-think the entire setup to come up with a better version. Something that has no ICs or adds PRs to Mafia. A silent mafia dayvig would be pretty amazing, if you could strengthen town enough.
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This setup is great! It's the only one we have that is exactly 50-50 balanced. Best friends, masons, or hidden ICs all make the game tilted towards town.
I love the setup but feel its very tilted towards town. They have a 50% chance of winning on random lynch and will likely do better than random.
Well, theoretically scum won't let town do better than random lynch.
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Is the name of the insect guys really the "formics" in English ? Ugh. I read them in French because my English wasn't good enough back then (I must have been 13 or something), I like the French name a lot better (Doryphores).
I think it works fine, although I might have had the ICs be authority figures. Or have the IC be Ender himself, the whole point is that his innocence is what allows him to get things right although I suppose that doesn't work with two ICs. I'm realizing now that I don't remember many details about the books, I should probably see the movie at some point.
Yeah, they call them Buggers first, then Formics more formally. It comes from how they resemble ants (le formiche in Italian, for example).
The movie was good, not great, but I enjoyed it.
I don't like to see movies of books I've read. They never match what I imagined well enough, and they have to leave so much out. The only exception was the first book of Harry Potter. That movie was really faithful to the book.
Holes was good.
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Robz, to quote/elaborate slightly from myself in the speccy:
Here's the thing for Robz/generic town player:
Being right means nothing if it pisses off other town players so that they don't believe/trust you. The goal isn't to have had 100% perfect reads at the end of the game. The goal is to win. That means being careful how you interact with other players, because you need your fellow townies to trust you.
And you barely got away with it here. You were lucky that TA calmed down and trusted you. Because he was the actual goddamn IC in this setup he's proof that your strategy pisses off town to the point that they may not trust/listen to you.
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Robz, to quote/elaborate slightly from myself in the speccy:
Here's the thing for Robz/generic town player:
Being right means nothing if it pisses off other town players so that they don't believe/trust you. The goal isn't to have had 100% perfect reads at the end of the game. The goal is to win. That means being careful how you interact with other players, because you need your fellow townies to trust you.
And you barely got away with it here. You were lucky that TA calmed down and trusted you. Because he was the actual goddamn IC in this setup he's proof that your strategy pisses off town to the point that they may not trust/listen to you.
Respectfully, I disagree.
I mean, look, I know I'm not an IC. It's really just like entirely joking--or at least, in this game it was, because yeah, I wasn't. I don't see the harm in a little humor. Especially humor that does serve a purpose, because I can judge people's reactions to it.
I trusted that my antics and my humor would eventually acquit me in the eyes of the real ICs and help me deduce scum. Both things happened. I was right, and I convinced everyone I was right. So... I'm quite happy with my play, it worked, and I don't really see the harm in it. I think the lashing out at it was overblown. Basically, I wasn't ready to play yet, I throughout like two or thre jokey posts to gauge reactions, and I came back swinging. And it worked.
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And I agree it worked - I just think it barely worked, and is unlikely to keep working is all.
Also, I find it as funny as the coin token joke. :P
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I think the fact that Robz is getting strong reactions is a good indication that his strategy is working for what he wants to accomplish. If people get pissed off that's not his fault, nor does that mean it's a bad strategy.
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So, when do we play again?
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I'll run it starting on Monday forum time, if that works for Yuma.
Yuma, eevee, and Voltaire have first crack at slots.
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Hooray! Thanks ash!
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nkirbit : I did get the sense from TA's answer that IRL reasons explained your relative lurkiness, but even then, you weren't as quick to answer in the last few hours.
ANyway, you guys got very unlucky, because obviously mcmc completely got me and didn't deserve getting lynched with me on wagon... I think TA and Robz deserve the cred there, for making mcmc my only option.
when i saw you vote i was like NOOOOOOOOO! protect me my fellow townie!!!! don't let them do this, after all we've been through!
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mcmc in the scum QT :
"Teproc - great reads on me"
Ahem. I have great reads on you when you're town ! Which I'm never going to believe again !
Nooo, your one of the remaining people who had not played with scum!mcmc please don't let this make you find my scummy everygame like everyone else :(
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Yeah, I am 100% in the next one.
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I'll run it starting on Monday forum time, if that works for Yuma.
Yuma, eevee, and Voltaire have first crack at slots.
That should work fine for me. Do you want someone else to run it so you can be in it?
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I can run it if ash wants to play.
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I'll run it starting on Monday forum time, if that works for Yuma.
Yuma, eevee, and Voltaire have first crack at slots.
That should work fine for me. Do you want someone else to run it so you can be in it?
Nah, that's fine. This setup feels like a part of me now.
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I'll run it starting on Monday forum time, if that works for Yuma.
Yuma, eevee, and Voltaire have first crack at slots.
Is there a thread for this? Not a huge rush, but if we are going to start this Monday it might be nice to make sure we have enough to play? We probably do, but over weekends sometimes peeps aren't around to sign up...
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Here:
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10768