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[yuma]

Ok, that is a fair point. Maybe in some conceivable way there is a chance that ADK's hammer somehow will be instrumental in winning the game. But I very much doubt it. And don't see how that doubt can have any relationship to my alignment... or more importantly how you think it can.

[silverspawn]

If a play looks like it's a bad play, you have to assume that it only looks like a bad play to you because that person knows something that you don't.

Yeah... or... you could be better than your opponent and understand exactly why he does the mistake he does... which happens a quadrillion times to people playing dominion... or prismata... or a lot of other games...

Ok, that is a fair point.

What? No, that's a stupid point. Just because it's humble doesn't mean it's not wrong.

[silverspawn]

if my opponent who is ranked 300 points lower than me plays a drone opening that is mathematically worse, do I have to assume that my entire understanding of maths and/or the game is false?  You just said there is never any reason to assume that your opponent made a mistake.

[yuma]

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Ok, that is a fair point.

What? No, that's a stupid point. Just because it's humble doesn't mean it's not wrong.

Well specifically I meant the part about not excepting anything but optimal play from other players. I shouldn't assume it was the correct play, but I should assume that there may be something that I don't know. But that doesn't stop me from having an opinion on the matter.

[silverspawn]

In mafia, I'll buy that. Not in 'every game'.

[yuma]

In mafia, I'll buy that. Not in 'every game'.

Well I the only games I play are mafia and online games of Dominion against the bots... and I always assume they aren't playing optimally...

[Awaclus]

if my opponent who is ranked 300 points lower than me plays a drone opening that is mathematically worse, do I have to assume that my entire understanding of maths and/or the game is false?  You just said there is never any reason to assume that your opponent made a mistake.

Prismata is an edge case because it doesn't have hidden information.

Yeah... or... you could be better than your opponent and understand exactly why he does the mistake he does... which happens a quadrillion times to people playing dominion... or prismata... or a lot of other games...

It doesn't happen in Dominion. If your opponent is making a mistake, you can play as though it was the correct play and you still win — because your opponent made a mistake. But if it actually is the correct play in that situation, you might win if you assume that it's the correct play or you might lose if you wrongly assume that it was a bad play. Even if you can be mathematically sure that your opponent's play is less than optimal, you should assume that it's as close to optimal as it can possibly be under those circumstances.

[silverspawn]

ahm vote: Awaclus

that said vote: Awaclus

[Awaclus]

It's worth noting that yuma was scummy before this discussion. It was just another point that fit the narrative of him being scum, not the whole reason I'm voting for him.

[yuma]

It's worth noting that yuma was scummy before this discussion. It was just another point that fit the narrative of him being scum, not the whole reason I'm voting for him.

how? details? information?

[2.71828.....]

Everyone was infuriated by the note.  "The audacity!"  "They think we will give up!" "Never!" "Scout4life!" were just some of the cries that rose up from the remaining cards.  But also accusations....

Vote Count 3.2

Awaclus (2): yuma, silverspawn
yuma (1): Awaclus

Not Voting (4): Roadrunner7671, Axxle, chairs, Witherweaver

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Day 3 will last 10 days. The deadline for Day 3 will be Monday, March 21 at 11:45 AM forum time.

[Awaclus]

Actually vote: silverspawn feels a lot more comfortable than yuma here.

PPE:

It's worth noting that yuma was scummy before this discussion. It was just another point that fit the narrative of him being scum, not the whole reason I'm voting for him.

how? details? information?

Well, now that it's not so relevant anymore, the reason was that your play on this day in particular seemed like you were making a case on me based on not how I've played in this game, but how I play in every game regardless of my alignment. This seemed to me like it had to be intentional, which would be extremely scummy.

[silverspawn]

Actually vote: silverspawn feels a lot more comfortable than yuma here.

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vote: Awaclus

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[Axxle]

Ahahahahahahaha

[Roadrunner7671]

SS, you're playing really scummy. Even if you're almost confirmed town, you might want to try to be a little towny.


And I'm just going to say that we shouldn't forget about the Golden Rule.

[silverspawn]

SS, you're playing really scummy. Even if you're almost confirmed town, you might want to try to be a little towny.


And I'm just going to say that we shouldn't forget about the Golden Rule.

The golden rule is stupid. But if I ever vote for a mason, you can be sure that I won't complain if you vote for me.

[Roadrunner7671]

The golden rule is stupid.

See the above part of my post.

[silverspawn]

The golden rule is stupid.

See the above part of my post.

The golden rule is stupid. that has nothing to do with mafia.

[yuma]

The golden rule is stupid.

See the above part of my post.

The golden rule is stupid. that has nothing to do with mafia.

Yeah do unto others as you would do unto yourself? What sort of weird crap is that? Why would I want what you want? Your tastes are pretty messed up! (your being not you specifically but a hypothetical entity)

[Roadrunner7671]

Policy lynching SS is not a thing we can do.

Just reminding myself and others.

[silverspawn]

The golden rule is stupid.

See the above part of my post.

The golden rule is stupid. that has nothing to do with mafia.

Yeah do unto others as you would do unto yourself? What sort of weird crap is that? Why would I want what you want? Your tastes are pretty messed up! (your being not you specifically but a hypothetical entity)

It is extremely messed up. If you don't care about people knocking on your door before entering, the golden rule allows you to enter other people's rooms without entering. If you don't care about being insulted, the golden rule allows you to insult other people. etc.

I don't want to be treated the way other people want to be treated. I want to be treated the way I want to be treated. The golden rule implies using your standards on everyone else. It's ahh I hate it.

[silverspawn]

*without knocking.

God I hate the golden rule so much.

[yuma]

Actually vote: silverspawn feels a lot more comfortable than yuma here.

PPE:

It's worth noting that yuma was scummy before this discussion. It was just another point that fit the narrative of him being scum, not the whole reason I'm voting for him.

how? details? information?

Well, now that it's not so relevant anymore, the reason was that your play on this day in particular seemed like you were making a case on me based on not how I've played in this game, but how I play in every game regardless of my alignment. This seemed to me like it had to be intentional, which would be extremely scummy.

Well now I want the relevant info... Why vote for ss?

[silverspawn]

vote: Golden rule lynch it!!!!

okay no vote: Awaclus

[Roadrunner7671]

This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.


What part of this is so despicable?