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[EFHW]

And do you think that is more likely than Lalight sacrificing Galz/Hydrad for towncred?

Ppe gkrieg

[EFHW]

"That"=sacrificing Space.

[gkrieg13]

And do you think that is more likely than Lalight sacrificing Galz/Hydrad for towncred?

Ppe gkrieg

I'm saying that is basically what I have to decide between the two of you.

Either way I think we should get DatSwan's opinion (and I guess LaLight?  ) and then end the day with no lynch

[gkrieg13]

request prods on LaLight and Datswan

[Swowl]

sorry weekends are horrible for me and I have been doing ISOs. I only have one left, I will post a bunch today as soon as I am through. Then we can move forward. Sorry for the wait.

[iguanaiguana]

It's hard to open up your heart
and face the fact that you could fail
and show the world what you don't know
and let your long-held high ground go.

So you get cold
and act a part.
I get it, though.
It's hard.

Vote Count 5.1

No Lynch (1): gkrieg13

Not Voting (3): EFHW, Lalight, DatSwan

Day 5 starts now and ends on May 10 at 7:50PM forum time.

Mod Note: Prod sent to LaLight

[LaLight]

Sorry, DAMA, tried to leep up the work the whole day. I really-really don’t see the point of doing anything toDay, i’d better reread toMorrow if I’m still alive. For now, I think EFHW is most likely to be scum with gkrieg being the second choice. But i’d wait till D5 with rereads, actually mostly because I don’t have enough time and i hope to be dead

[Swowl]

Sorry, DAMA, tried to leep up the work the whole day. I really-really don’t see the point of doing anything toDay, i’d better reread toMorrow if I’m still alive. For now, I think EFHW is most likely to be scum with gkrieg being the second choice. But i’d wait till D5 with rereads, actually mostly because I don’t have enough time and i hope to be dead

Why GK #2?
I mean I get that there are 4 of us so you are gonna rank yourself 4/4, and I also agree that I would be 3/4, but like what is it that puts GK at 2 instead of let's say me?

[Swowl]

All I am extremely sorry to be this douche, but I am finishing re reads now, and there are some things I want to discuss. I would appreciate it if we could not "end the day super early". If the consensus is to go no-lynch then that is fine, but I wanna use the remaining 2 days if needed.

[Swowl]

someone help my dumb brain - with the exception that there is a town not claiming a PR still for some reason... we must be 2 Ts right?

[Swowl]

Is everyone aware that a Mafia 1 shot RB/RS and a the communal 5 shot Mafia RB/RS both flip the same way?

[Swowl]

Is everyone aware that a Mafia 1 shot RB/RS and a the communal 5 shot Mafia RB/RS both flip the same way?

This is factual, and negates my previous post.

[Swowl]

After an extremely... like hideously long re - read....

It is more likely that it is LL than EFHW.

However, I want an answer to my question about the flip of RB/RS!Mafia before we do anything please. From everyone. Preferably in the order of
GK
LL
EFHW

[LaLight]

After an extremely... like hideously long re - read....

It is more likely that it is LL than EFHW.

However, I want an answer to my question about the flip of RB/RS!Mafia before we do anything please. From everyone. Preferably in the order of
GK
LL
EFHW

What’s the point in ranking ? Oo usually 1-shot prs flip as 1-shot prs

[Swowl]

After an extremely... like hideously long re - read....

It is more likely that it is LL than EFHW.

However, I want an answer to my question about the flip of RB/RS!Mafia before we do anything please. From everyone. Preferably in the order of
GK
LL
EFHW

What’s the point in ranking ? Oo usually 1-shot prs flip as 1-shot prs

I have reasons.
Feel free to check with the MOD. they flip the same in this game.

[LaLight]

After an extremely... like hideously long re - read....

It is more likely that it is LL than EFHW.

However, I want an answer to my question about the flip of RB/RS!Mafia before we do anything please. From everyone. Preferably in the order of
GK
LL
EFHW

What’s the point in ranking ? Oo usually 1-shot prs flip as 1-shot prs

I have reasons.
Feel free to check with the MOD. they flip the same in this game.

ii, can you plz confirm?

[iguanaiguana]

After an extremely... like hideously long re - read....

It is more likely that it is LL than EFHW.

However, I want an answer to my question about the flip of RB/RS!Mafia before we do anything please. From everyone. Preferably in the order of
GK
LL
EFHW

What’s the point in ranking ? Oo usually 1-shot prs flip as 1-shot prs

I have reasons.
Feel free to check with the MOD. they flip the same in this game.

ii, can you plz confirm?

Mafia
-any form of roleblocker or rolestopper will flip as "roleblocker" or "rolestopper"; communal roleblockers/stoppers look the same as 1-shot ones

[EFHW]

So what are the implications you are hinting at? I had assumed they flipped the same.

[EFHW]

also not trying to hone in on anyone I guess just doing reads in order - but people should go and re check TWM/LL VCA from Days 1 and 2.

What is VCA?

Vote Count Analysis

Here too, it would be great if you could just say what your idea is.

[gkrieg13]

After an extremely... like hideously long re - read....

It is more likely that it is LL than EFHW.

However, I want an answer to my question about the flip of RB/RS!Mafia before we do anything please. From everyone. Preferably in the order of
GK
LL
EFHW

There is only one T if you believe me. It says in the setup that the 1-shot and regular roleblocker and stopped will flip the same.

[gkrieg13]

Do you want me to spell out what probable letters there are? 

[EFHW]

I want GK to claim who he BPd on N3. Obviously I am not a outstanding force, and even if every single one of us said he should do it the ultimate decision is at the feet of GK. However, I do not see the downside in gaining opinions. I think the best order to gain these opinions would be:
Swan - Obv already said yes
LL -
EFHW -
GK - Not really an opinion, but yea...

So in order:
@ LL - What are your thoughts on GK claiming his D3 target?
@EFHW - What arr your thoughts on GK claiming his D3 target?

We are still in suspense about this, too. Why did you bring it up?

[Swowl]

Do you want me to spell out what probable letters there are?

No I have it I just wanted to make sure I wasn't making a clear mistake.
My point is that because of the the RS and RB roles flip the same the amount of letters in play is essentially hidden from Town. We can narrow it down, but it is one or the other.
If you are actually the BP then we are at 1T, if you are not, then we are at 2T.

Thing is - in the hypothetical world where you are skum - you would know all this. So if skum had communal RB/RS (1T) then at the point of your claim skum would also know that there is another role out there.
buttttttt if skum had 1 shot RB/RS (2T) then [UB,Tracker, Drunk + they know what they have so they know that SK is ninja/BP] = skum is 100% sure there is no other roles after Cuzz claimed.

So like... I am trying... so hard to believe that you are town, but to safe claim BP - fake proc the tracker - claim to have proc someone else - and then this is the part I am putting together still but... push no lynch because you want to create a final day of...anyone? I guess in a triangle you win as town all the time, so you probably kill me actually and take it to [GK,LL,EFHW].

Whatever. It was a Tinfoil Hat type of thing. but that is pretty much where I was going with it.
Seriously, I don't even know if I believe in it - just doing thorough re reads and when I go to you this is all I came up with.

[gkrieg13]

Do you want me to spell out what probable letters there are?

No I have it I just wanted to make sure I wasn't making a clear mistake.
My point is that because of the the RS and RB roles flip the same the amount of letters in play is essentially hidden from Town. We can narrow it down, but it is one or the other.
If you are actually the BP then we are at 1T, if you are not, then we are at 2T.

Thing is - in the hypothetical world where you are skum - you would know all this. So if skum had communal RB/RS (1T) then at the point of your claim skum would also know that there is another role out there.
buttttttt if skum had 1 shot RB/RS (2T) then [UB,Tracker, Drunk + they know what they have so they know that SK is ninja/BP] = skum is 100% sure there is no other roles after Cuzz claimed.

So like... I am trying... so hard to believe that you are town, but to safe claim BP - fake proc the tracker - claim to have proc someone else - and then this is the part I am putting together still but... push no lynch because you want to create a final day of...anyone? I guess in a triangle you win as town all the time, so you probably kill me actually and take it to [GK,LL,EFHW].

Whatever. It was a Tinfoil Hat type of thing. but that is pretty much where I was going with it.
Seriously, I don't even know if I believe in it - just doing thorough re reads and when I go to you this is all I came up with.

I think my bulletproofing explains what happened with the no kill N3.  I think scum knew that they had already gone through my bulletproofing earlier, so they knew I was bluffing.  I don't think not claiming really matters anymore, but I bulletproofed DatSwan N3 after we lynched galzria.  I don't think I was roleblocked, and I don't think they rolestopped you.  I think the lack of night kills is that O tried to kill Space (which failed due to commuting), and scum tried to kill you.  The fact that O was killed by mafia means that his bp was already gone, so that explains one of the missing kills one of the nights, but we still have to account for 2 missing kills.

[Swowl]

also in regards to GK claiming his N3 result the correct answer was one of the following:

a) The result doesn't matter. Since if he is town then the second he claimed for there to potentially be a shielded target out there, he killed himself tonight.
b) *the answer is a*

To expand - let's say he is Town BP and all that. Fine. Skum!Anyone shoots him at night. End of story. Not worth finding the shielded person that may or may not exist, but you know for damn sure that he is a death. Then we wake up (let's say after a no lynch), and it is [Swan, EFHW, LL]. If skum is procd, it doesn't matter there is no SK to shoot at them anymore. If town is procd, it doesn't matter since the only way we go to night is if we mis lynch and then it just takes "an extra day phase of skum not being willing to vote for themselves" so the game still ends based on 50% mafia.


PPE the explanation but whatever this is why  I was asking the question.