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[ashersky]

Oh no.  You caught me.  Woe is me.  Whatever shall I do?

vote: ashersky

[pacovf]

Yay, I win?

[XerxesPraelor]

I think he claimed to cop Voltaire just in case there's a one-shot tracker / watcher who saw him kill Voltaire.

PPE: this is the other case on ash - acting consciously very like himself. Self-voting is easy to replicate.

[pacovf]

You haven't addressed the fact that you had to know that Voltaire was town, though.

[pacovf]

Erm that was directed at Ash.

[XerxesPraelor]

Yeah; he obviously was a tracker and EgorK / pacovf would be a way better choice.

[XerxesPraelor]

Now that we have full follow-the-cop, (if ash is town), ash pretty much has to target EgorK, okay? (Or pacovf if we lynch EgorK)  There's no point in concealing who you're going to cop now.

[XerxesPraelor]

I though of a town narrative for ash in the night, but it doesn't make sense now.

[Witherweaver]

Scum narrative for Ash is fitting well.. Night 2 he can't (Role) Cop and kill,  so he chooses to Cop because he knows Volt will track him.  Last night he kills Volt.  Chooses to admit targetting Volt because "why would I do that as scum?" defense.

Now.. in this scenario, did Ash/Silver plan to bus?  Did Ash get surprised by Silver's claim and had to counter it?

Last part gives me pause.

[Witherweaver]

And, I have to reread but I think he'd have to know he was claiming Cop way back on Day 1.

[Witherweaver]

Oh, claiming to target Volt makes sense by what Pac said. He clears EgorK, we mislynch Pac, we turn to him.

This way, we mislynch EgorK and Pac and Ash tries to argue Robz or Ichi is GF for a win

[pacovf]

And, I have to reread but I think he'd have to know he was claiming Cop way back on Day 1.

Yes, he softclaimed fairly early in D1, before there was any suspicion on him. That's the one thing that gives me pause.

[ashersky]

This is why I have zero motivation to sign up for games anymore...the knack town has for royally screwing up a great situation.

Please just lynch me and stop wasting your time on these insane theories.

[Witherweaver]

This is why I have zero motivation to sign up for games anymore...the knack town has for royally screwing up a great situation.

Please just lynch me and stop wasting your time on these insane theories.

It's not that insane.  You have to admit copping Volt is not a good time move vs. Egork/Pac. Or, at least it seems that way to me.

[Witherweaver]

Anf what do you suggest instead?  XP does not fit at all

[EgorK]

Volt is such illogical choice this almost make me to think ash lied about his target tonight to get reactions

[Teproc]

Everyone stop being stupid.

ash stop daring town to mislynch you. Remember your mislynch in Legend of Zelda ? You can cry all you want, but it was your fault as much as the townies who mislynched you. If you're town, you have a responsibility not to be mislynched, and as a Cop, a responsibility to not use your power in asinine ways like copping freaking Voltaire.

Everyone else, stop being paranoid. Maybe ash is scum who no killed in N2, but come on, there's no way that's the most likely possibility. I still need to reread, but ash is not today's lynch. The later we lynch him, the least damaging a cop mislynch is since we have more trustworthy results. If he's scum, it doesn't matter when we lynch him.

[ashersky]

If Volt and I were both still alive today, you better believe copping Volt would have been the most important move I could have made.  He got increasingly scummy yesterday, to the point that I felt I had to confirm him.  I didn't even gave to think about it -- pm to Faust was immediate with volt as the target.  If someone was playing the town for fools, it was him, and I needed to remove that possibility.

If any other player in this game claimed cop, and the results so far, there'd be zero doubt.  But since it's ashersky "the crazy scum mastermind" there is nothing but doubt.  And that is 100% unfair to me the person and the player, and to the town itself, since you are taking what is supposed to be a power role FOR town and turning into a Negative utility role.  You all seem to think I'm great at scum, too, which is just wrong if you look at my sig.

I mean, scum gets to leave me alive because no one believes me and they know town will just lynch me.

So, lynch the cop since it's screwing up your ability to play the game.  You all know my reads.  Pacovf is scummiest based on my gut and his words, XP is scummiest based on his claim.

[Teproc]

Why did you never investigate pacovf, someone you've screamed is scum since day 1 ?

And yes, people are mor suspicious of you than of other people because you're a bolder scum player than most. How is that unfair ?

[Teproc]

Why did you never investigate pacovf, someone you've screamed is scum since day 1 ?

And yes, people are mor suspicious of you than of other people because you're a bolder scum player than most. How is that unfair ?

To clarify : you are basically the only scum pler for which I can even entertain the scenario of no killing in N2. Well maybe not the only one, but close. This is in no way unfair, it's your meta.

[ashersky]

Why did you never investigate pacovf, someone you've screamed is scum since day 1 ?

And yes, people are mor suspicious of you than of other people because you're a bolder scum player than most. How is that unfair ?

I will gladly just lynch pacovf.  I don't need to investigate him.  I cop people I am unsure of.

I don't think I'm bolder than most, for one.  But that shouldn't affect my ability to play town roles.  That's like saying I can only play if I roll scum.

[ashersky]

Why did you never investigate pacovf, someone you've screamed is scum since day 1 ?

And yes, people are mor suspicious of you than of other people because you're a bolder scum player than most. How is that unfair ?

To clarify : you are basically the only scum pler for which I can even entertain the scenario of no killing in N2. Well maybe not the only one, but close. This is in no way unfair, it's your meta.

Didn't someone even write down the idea in thread on D2?  Not that hard to figure out.

And I always kill as scum -- you can look that up.

[Teproc]

Why did you never investigate pacovf, someone you've screamed is scum since day 1 ?

And yes, people are mor suspicious of you than of other people because you're a bolder scum player than most. How is that unfair ?

I will gladly just lynch pacovf.  I don't need to investigate him.  I cop people I am unsure of.

I don't think I'm bolder than most, for one.  But that shouldn't affect my ability to play town roles.  That's like saying I can only play if I roll scum.

IT has nothing to do with your ability to play town... it has everything to do with people being ready to believe conspiracy theories about you because you've proven you're capable of unconventional plays.

You ARE unsure of pacovf. You DO NOT know his alignment. You do agree that a scum result is better than a town result, yes ? Why not get the best shot at a scum result then ?

HEre's my real problem with your town play : you make it about you. How you are poor, hated ash that everyone always wants to lynch. Regardless of your alignement, this makes the game unpleasant.

[Teproc]

Whatever, I don't think you did it anyway. But you're not being helpful by self-voting, that's for sure.

[ashersky]

Well, if me being in the game makes it unpleasant, lynching me makes sense for making it pleasant, no?